Dutch SNS Bank Fails On Real Estate Losses: First "Too Big To Fail" Nationalization In Five Years
Earlier today we got one hint that not all is well in the European banking system, as far less than the expected €200 billion was tendered back to the ECB in the second LTRO repayment operation, when just 27 banks paid back some €3.5 billion. Another, perhaps far bigger one, comes courtesy of AAA-rated Netherlands, which just experienced its first bank failure since 2008 following the nationalization of SNS Reall NV, as the previously announced bad loan writedown finally claimed the bank. As a reminder, half a month ago we got news that "SNS Reaal NV (SR), a Dutch bank and insurer struggling to wind down a money-losing real estate lending unit, fell the most in more than two months after a report said it may have to post a 1.8 billion-euro ($2.4 billion) writedown on property-finance loans." Today we got the inevitable conclusion: nationalization, one which will cost taxpayers about $5 billion to avoid contagion to what many see as Europe's "strongest" banking system.
From Bloomberg:
The move, aimed “at stabilizing the SNS Reaal group,” will cost taxpayers 3.7 billion euros ($5 billion), the Dutch Finance Ministry said in a statement today. SNS’s property- finance unit will be separated from the company.
“I scrutinized all alternative solutions involving market parties,” Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem said. “Yesterday night I found myself compelled to conclude no acceptable total solution was offered. I therefore had to use the instrument of last resort, which is nationalization.”
The lender, which acquired ABN Amro Holding NV’s property- finance unit in 2006, has been hurt by losses on real estate loans that have left it struggling to repay a government bailout before next year’s deadline and bolster capital buffers. The nationalization includes all issued shares, core tier 1 capital securities and subordinated bonds, the ministry said.
SNS shares were suspended in Amsterdam. They last traded yesterday at 84 cents, valuing the company at 242 million euros, and have declined 57 percent in the past year.
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The state will inject 2.2 billion euros of capital into SNS Reaal, write down 800 million euros on its earlier aid package and use 700 million euros to put the real estate portfolio at arm’s length.
“Nationalization would safeguard financial stability and prevent serious damage to the economy,” Dijsselbloem said. “I want the private sector to contribute as much as possible.”
SNS Reaal is the smallest of four Dutch banks designated as “systemically important,” or too big to fail, by the Dutch central bank. It had 32.5 billion euros in savings at the end of the third quarter, according to a Nov. 15 presentation. ING, Rabobank Groep and ABN Amro are its three largest competitors.
So if one of the most stable banking systems in Europe is not quite as stable as expected, one can only imagine what is going on in Spain and Italy, and how many hundreds of billions more in taxpayer aid will have to be shelved out once the soaring bad loans in these two countries can no longer be swept under the rug.
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FUCK YOU DIJSSELBLOEM!
Dijsselbloem and central banker Klaas Knot are the same kind of BanksterBuddy as DeJager and Wellink were
Where there is one, there are usually more.
There is never one cockroach.
The juicy part has not been mentioned yet. Using a brand new law on nationalization (2012), shareholders and bondholders are wiped out. Fitch specifically warned that if the dutch government were to do this, it would downgrade the entire European banking sector. Interesting start for Dijsselbloem, new head of the Euro group. He also let no room for interpretation whether or not this part of the new law would be applicable in the SNS Reaal case: "I can sympathise easily with the resistance many will feel because we again will need to use a large amount of public money,” Mr Dijsselbloem said. “This is why I want the private sector to pay as large a share as possible of the rescue of SNS Reaal.” "
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3e1d027e-6c47-11e2-b73a-00144feab49a.html#axzz2JeBRPYKX
http://blogs.ft.com/economistsforum/2013/01/go-fitch-go/
Shareholders and subordinated bond holders lose their money, ordinary bondholders do not it seems
First of all a heartfelt FUCK YOU to Fitch for threatening a downgrade of all European banks if Shareholders where to lose a single cent on this. They and subordinate creditors rightfully pay for the risks they took in exchange for higher interest rates in case of the latter.
Secondly their wasn´t much of a choice and I think Nationalization in this case was the only solution, as much as I bet you Americans would have preferred a European Lehmans.
The pattern has become very clear...it's always some excuse about how they need money from the public purse.
This is just throwing more good money after bad to save something that cannot be saved.
there are only two things i hate in this world...intolerence....and the Dutch
Well played unrulian. Well played....
So which third world piece of shit country are you from? Dying for the answer
Pluto! I am Plutonite. Got a problem with that earthling? Stay the fuck away from my planet or i Zirp and zarp you.
Oh you're just begging for some little Dutch boy with wooden clogs to come and kick your ass.
I pray it's a contagion event and Bernanke is in the fucking path of the fucking train. Motherfucker.
Something is rotten in the state of the Netherlands.
Hopefully the bond and equity holders are made whole. It is only fair... Barf
I was about to suggest that the Dutch central bank buy all the troubled assets - like they do in the US?
that will be the windmills drying the socks! clean energy bud.
http://goo.gl/WLnhM
The UN should outlaw that crap.
Or at least issue a strongly worded statement breathlessly reported by Ann Compton!
in Ankara... JEeezz.... that's not news! Over there it's probably just some kids playing suicide bomber! Perfectly normal...
The only question I pose is this: IF IT'S A KIDS WHO KILLED HIMSELF FOR ALLAH, WILL HE ALSO GET 7 VIRGINS?!
just saying because when I was a kid I didn't like girls and only wanted to play with my friends... so this kid will be bored as hell!
SO HEAVEN WILL BE HELL!
That's some deep shit he? Yep... on fridays, I mostly get phylosfical when I don't get my boose on time...
"7 VIRGINS" or when it is accurately translated from the Arameic, "7 white raisins".
+1 For semi-incoherent ranting due to lack of booze
Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run..........
In Holland it is forbidden to call for bank runs. Yet they claim to have freedom of speech.
Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run
Clean up on aisle 5.
Bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run bank run..........
It's hard to build houses out of tulips...
The tulip bubble was so irrational. Assigning so much value to something that was basically worthless... Crazy. Shit, I forgot to get to the ATM. Kids need lunch money.
Don't leave the house without your Bitcoins kids.
Or seashells or paper ...
and while Au is ductile and malleable the damn contractors keep running off with the materials!
only tulips from amsterdam. . .but in france the twolips are to die for. lip service! back to holland some of those manufactured window breasts, well, you could shelter in those; just sayin
So bank staaaak....or gold and silver.....you make the call
DSB Bank failed in October 2009.
In Holland, almost everything is under water... it's only because of the dikes that they're not drowning.
And Holland sure does have a lot of dikes...
But... give global warming a bit more time...
AND POOF!!! MORE SEAFRONT PROPERTY FOR BELGIUM!!!
BOEYAAAAAHHHH!!
According to ancient records from the middle ages, I should be able to see the sea from my house!
Seaside => More expensive => MO MONEY FOR ME!!! => DROWN YOU DUTCH!!
That dyke will outlast your lifetime on this planet.
looks like already 2 EVIL DUTCH GUYS ALREADY DOWNED ME!
or 2 dikes who don't like to be called dikes...
SAME SAME!
Only 20% of the country lies below sea level, not most of the country.
A new commuter rail station in Zaragoza Spain which sees just 60 passengers a day..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDwL9EPq_Qw
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estación_de_Miraflores
Although this station is badly located - being away from much apartments and houses (other then the local football stadium) , Spain like all ALL euro countries is seeing a chronic lack of domestic demand & local commerce as a result of the use of the euro dud note which is far too hard a currency for use as a medium of exchange.
It is not in fact a currency like a national token but a capital token that now ironically cannot use & distribute capital.
So? In Belgium half of the stations half almost NO passengers!
I had to take the train a few month ago because my car broke down, so I went to the station about 4 miles from my home.
A train stops every 20 minutes, and I was there all alone!
Off course, we still piss money so it's not a real problem for us....
@Sudden debt.
Well the purpose of the eurozone seems to be the export of capital to other shores so your obervations make some sense......
We don't piss money in the eurozone...........where is the supply ?
We piss capital.
money is not capital - and your request of further monetary easing does not increase capital, it just changes it's allocation and it's market value in (fiat) money terms
I have already made that distinction ..........see above.
Monetary easing ?
Its not really monetary / banking stuff I am talking about.
A real nation can just deposit real money into peoples accounts.............no need for double entry stuff even.
The money we use in Europe is not local to its economic hinterland.
i.e. You deposit euros into peoples accounts and it will just suck in imports.
you deposit pesatas into Spanish peoples accounts and it will stimulate local demand.......
People will have enough money tokens to go and watch the soccer match etc etc.
Though it would inflate the cost of car /air travel and other high energy input activities.
My argument orbits around the fact that the Euro is not real money.
It is not a creature of the nation state.
PS
And the above actions can increase the amount of surplus capital.............if people don't drive their cars ,real surplus capital can be freed for other uses.
Although in the euro market state any sacrifices made by people is only wasted on free banking grot as the free banks capture all the available surplus to express short term profits.
These sort of entreport activites are no longer sustainable at such a high $ oil price.
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-SF-12-051/EN/KS-SF-...
The Amsterdam Entrepot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Entrepôt
PS the recent Irish horsemeat in beefburgers scandal did not highlight any real health scandal as such - rather the absurd nature of inter european trade so as to avoid labour value.
The non national Euro is the vehicle for this darkness.
Its strength enables it to buy oil rather then local labour , increasing profits.
But now as labour value is subtracted there is less and less demand and indeed progressive local skill shortages develop throughout the euro market state over time......... beginning I should think since about 1980 ~
interesting theory, but I find it has a hole you'd have to fix first
my understanding of a national currency is based on taxes - whatever the nation-state collects as taxes is the currency
be it copper coins, or francs, or euros, or tally-sticks, or gold coins
@Ghordius
Of course - the issue / tax thingie is government fiat - that is so obvious I did not think it worth talking about.
That was not my point (see above ) .
Goverments cannot issue euros - they must get permission to issue fiat.
In the case of Anglo they got permission as long as the state was willing to tax in the interests of bondholders.
I think it was called a letter of comfort or something.
Given the polticans interests now fully align with the bankers it works like a charm.
The entire fiat thingy has been turned around 180 degrees by the bankers.
Its a wonderfull but dastardly construction when seen from their point of view.
They can hyperinflate credit and turn it into fiat without devaluation ............a perfect bank job , don't you think ?
Don't have that much opinion of Belgium.
What really stuck in my mind about Belgium:
At least I can speak both Dutch and French. I can but imagine how far turists that can't speak either are taken advantage of ...
you have to avoid Brussels, the rest is quite nice, imho
Well, I was told that both Gent and Antwerp are actually worse than Brussels, but Brugges is well worth visiting.
Only really went to Brussels on a day trip because one can get the fast train there from Amsterdam. Frankly, getting the TGV or Thalys to Paris is more fun and doesn't take much longer.