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Morgan Stanley On Europe: "We're Getting Worried"

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We have noted the similarities between the current risk rally and previous years but Morgan Stanley's Laurence Mutkin is "getting worried" that investors expect the second half of this year to be different (and consistently bullish). Much of the current risk-on rally around the world was sparked by Draghi's "whatever it takes" moment theoretically reducing the downside tail-risk in Europe. Well, systemic risk in Europe is now at recent lows...

and just as in 1H12 and 1H 11, core yields are rising notably, peripheral spreads compressing, money-market curves are steepening, and 2s5s10s cheapening.

 

Of course, he notes, 2013 is different from previous years (OMT for example) but much rests on how ECB's Draghi responds to the recent (LTRO-repayment-driven) rise in EONIA forwards. Albert Einstein reportedly said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Applying that to the European bond market - for the third time running, the year has opened well but it would be insane to expect a different outcome (than the typically bearish reversion) this time?

 

Via Morgan Stanley,

...how low could Core 2-year yields go? Shockingly, we think they could retrace nearly all the recent sell-off, under the conditions that

  • (1) banks' weekly 3y LTRO repayments fall to near zero (even if the first repayment of the February tranche at end-Feb is as big as the first repayment of the December tranche last week); and
  • (2) systemic sovereign stresses re-assert themselves; and/or 
  • (3) president Draghi forcefully states that the ECB will prevent a sharp rise in EONIA.

In the near term, therefore, much depends on how ECB president Draghi responds to the recent rise in EONIA forwards at next week’s Press Conference. Our economists doubt he’ll lean heavily against the rise in rates, but we hope he'll avoid the mistake his predecessor made in blithely characterizing the rise in EONIAs after the 1y LTROs’ expiry in 2010 as being no more than evidence of the improving health of the banks.

 

An End to the Rally?

Peripheral spread has tightened considerably since the OMT announcement. We have argued that the “magic” of the OMT has reduced tail risk events and hence bought time for peripheral countries’ economies to stablise and recover. This has been the case: yields have fallen and market confidence risen, leading to encouraging signs:

  • Converging current account balances in core-peripheral
  • Improving funding conditions for the banking system, evident in LTRO repayments; peripheral deposit flows stablised; and Target 2 balances and foreign ownership of Spanish and Italian government bonds showed signs of improvement

However, do the signs of improvement warrant further tightening? The answer is less certain than it was three months ago in our view. Given the level of peripheral spreads, the risk of a reversal is rising, due to a few critical factors:

  • Rising funding cost because of LTRO repayments: The larger than expected initial LTRO repayment has taken the markets by surprise and led to a rise in the money market rates and short-end core rates. Despite its possibly being a sign of a stronger banking system, the rising funding costs directly reduce the carry and attractiveness of owning peripheral bonds, in particular relative to Germany given rising German yields. 
  • End of further easing in a fragile recovery: With a seemingly stronger banking system and funding markets, ECB’s rhetoric became less dovish than markets expected in the January meeting. However, the weaker parts of the banking system as well as peripheral sovereigns are still relying on low funding costs to aid any further recovery.

    If the end of further easing is signaled and priced in by the markets, the fragile recovery could be dampened fairly quickly, given the rise in funding costs. So far we have already seen a small tick up in the Monetary Transmission Index for Spain. 

  • Valuation: Both Spain and Italy spreads versus Germany have tightened close to or through the lows reached following the 3yr LTROs. Despite the market’s acknowledgement that the OMT is a more credible backstop, valuations are less appealing now: Italy is overvalued and Spain is close to fair value.

     
  • Debt sustainability prospects for peripheral sovereigns have already worsened slightly this year, due to the combination of a stronger euro and higher absolute yield levels. 0-5y Spain and Italy yields are +30bp vs January’s lows; and our FX strategists estimate that the euro’s recent rally has made it some 5% and 12% overvalued for Spain and Italy respectively  – an additional drag on nominal growth prospects. As yet, this deterioration in the outlook for debt dynamics has been pretty negligible. But if core rates push higher and take peripherals with them, the market could focus more on debt sustainability again.
 

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Fri, 02/01/2013 - 21:56 | 3208189 fonzannoon
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Kyle Bass has said ad nauseum that Europe has not recapped their banks....so when do they pay the piper? If ever?

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:05 | 3208224 kliguy38
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They'll pay the piper....Nature's law......and Nature sets the time not the banks......the longer this is pushed out the bigger the bang. Unfortunately a lot of other sovereigns are in the blast range.......no one wants the radiation and its all going to come home.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:34 | 3208321 kliguy38
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BTW we have not recapped our banks either.......we've only added to our reserves and reduced our leverage. It really will have no effect if the Eurozone goes......our banks cannot cover their derivative swaps, much less some of their outrageous commodity and PM shorts. Its all a house of cards and if the dollar slips its reserve status it will end very quickly

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:14 | 3208788 Harlequin001
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'Morgan Stanley On Europe: "We're Getting Worried"'

what's this 'getting'?

surely they've offloaded all their crap to the muppets by now...

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:36 | 3208796 TPTB_r_TBTF
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It's always the opposite of what they say.

 

They are not worried.  They just want to worry the muppets, so the muppets will sell low, so the bankers can buy low.

Their analysts actually see things as getting better soon, so they first scare the muppets out of the market.  Then they can sell their position back to the muppets at a higher price.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 08:04 | 3208849 GetZeeGold
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It's always the opposite of what they say.

 

You might actually want to listen to them this time......unless you're Jon Corzine.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 09:12 | 3208894 Popo
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60 years after WWII and here we are watching Europe and Japan implode.   

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 09:39 | 3208917 TPTB_r_TBTF
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> ...unless you're Jon Corzine.

 

Man! You blew my cover!  :-(

 

Well, since you already know who i am, here's another little secret-

Morgan Stanley are creating this little crisis to scare the House of Reps into "approriate" action.  CanT reveal that action just yet ...

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 11:25 | 3209008 grid-b-gone
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The failure of any fiat currency brings into question the viability of all paper. This was a prime reason Geithner lobbied so hard to reverse austerity moves in Europe.

To extend and pretend for as long as possible, the world's fiat currencies must remain somewhat equally worthless.

Damn Iceland is the wizzard behind the curtain who threatens to tell Average Jolene she could have clicked her heels together at any time, which is why the official line will be, "We can't turn back now." 

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 20:01 | 3209883 Daily Bail
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This is worth the click.

OFFICIAL: 'The Real Euro Crisis Is Just Getting Started - 'All hell will break loose when the central bank sugar ends'

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:27 | 3208301 bank guy in Brussels
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The European banks will blow up when the euro-zone starts to break apart

Right after the first country makes the move to start leaving ... Italy, Spain, Greece or Cyprus

The chain-reaction will blow up the banks and the ECB will print to save the core euro, the northern-Germanic countries ... even France might leave the euro

And ironically the euro will once again rise in value with the southern countries out ...

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:05 | 3208526 hairball48
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Will the northern countries keep a "new" euro when the breakup comes? Or will they go back to Dmark, gilders, etc.? Just asking. Seems that eventually the same problem of no fiscal union will crop up?

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 01:42 | 3208664 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ bank guy

 

I have been tossing out the notion that the key domino would be FRANCE.  That if France fails (and I mean very badly, worse so than Greece (etc.) have so far), then the financial tsunami would strike EVERYWHERE very quickly, 48 hours to get your last stuff at the stores...  My notion goes on to note that if ITALY falls (again, HARD), then France would be in grave danger.

I would be interested in your comments (and of course from everyone else).

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 08:09 | 3208851 Landrew
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@ DoChen I do doubt the weak would leave a system they find support. I would rather think the strongest leave first, that being Germany. The real clue they are leaving sooner than anyone thinks is the withdraw of gold holdings at the N.Y. Fed? I also would like to know what you think. 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 09:38 | 3208916 goldenbuddha454
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The U.S. and Japan having been at currency war has only driven Europe to the breaking point of the unemployment abyss.  Some of the Euro countries are at 20% unemployment now, so if the EU doesn't start to get in on the currency war and start printing, how much higher will EU unemployment go?  The higher the Euro value the more unemployment because of the non-competitiveness of their exports.  There's either going to be a global currency war with all sides involved or some hippy nut from the 60's will put forth the notion that 'in order to stop the currency wars we need one common global currency'.  Can't wait til that happens!

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 15:55 | 3209420 VATICANT
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48 hours if we're lucky; likely 12-24 hours. And that's assuming you've got plenty benjamins on deck since the electronic charging and atm withdrawals will fail immediately. It's a dismaly sad state we're in where soo many are awake and alert to what is soon to be our reality, yet soo many have not stashed, piled, and fortified nearly enough to actually endure the coming world collapse and some way some how actually resist Satan's nwo. Yet we all can afford laptops and smart phones

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 02:20 | 3208707 Lore
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The Germans essentially made their first move when they asked for the return of their gold. The market should already be pricing in Europe breakup. In fact, the outcome should have been clear for at least the last few months.

Regardless, this is all about making banksters happy. How does any of it help working-class families in crisis?  How does it pre-empt the rise of political extremism?  How do interest rates mean more than banging pots and pans to the person on the street?

So sorry if these questions seem banal, but public opinion should figure into the equation at some point.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:40 | 3208800 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Public opinion figures into the equation right before they declare martial law.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 08:06 | 3208850 Landrew
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I don't think I understand your logic. Why would the weak leave a system that supports it? Most likely the strong will leave first. As of now even Germany isn't as strong as it was and would leave first true? I do value your opinion and would like your thoughts on Germany leaving first. One clue I think is the transfer of gold from the N.Y. Fed.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 10:52 | 3208965 HoaX
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Only thing Germany is leaving is the U.S.

Since everyone knows with the Bernank printing money like there´s no tomorrow and the Chinese getting more than a little nervous about it, it´s not going to be Europe that breaks down first (although you Yanks sure tried to achieve that the past 5 years), but the USA to lose its reserve currency status sooner than later, and when that happens, good luck getting your gold back since the shit will hit the proverbial fan over there.

Cheers and have a good weekend.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:23 | 3208194 Yen Cross
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 FX Flows from Asia  and the U.K into (mainland EU) are substantial.  Cable and the aud/usd trade are "heavy". When you look at DXY breaking a double bottom last night ( 78.91) from October, and another short term pattern from mid December, makes me nervous.

  It's all about flows into Europe. Remember Draghis tape bomb last fall? It's time to pay the proverbial PIPER...

   The ECB want's favorable F/X exchange rates before it QE's. (cut's rates)...

   Japan is buying Piigs with borrowed yen.(JGB monetization) <

  The BoJ is directly interviening in the F/X markets. I will send some clearing trade amounts(transaction) and origination "cert #'s", that have BoJ written all over them...  BoJ is actively interveining in F/X spot!

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 10:10 | 3208937 goldenbuddha454
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So if China quits buying Japanese bonds, what happens to the Euro?

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 22:24 | 3210187 kwality
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So when it collapses, do we all declare Japan bankrupt, put an eviction notice on the door, and change the locks?  All impaired counterparties then receive a free Japanese citizen as repayment?  I hear they make good night lights.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:05 | 3208218 bobthehorse
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Europe's toast.

We all know that.

Yet nothing seems to happen.

I don't get it.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/yesterday-i-used-my-phillips-...

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:10 | 3208242 joego1
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Slo toast.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:21 | 3208281 Tango in the Blight
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Wasn't Morgan Stanley poised to go bust last year? What happened?

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:41 | 3208304 Dr. Engali
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I was wondering the same thing when I read this report. Their equity and CDS were under stress , then once Dragqueen made his announcement they were all fixed...... It seems.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 23:04 | 3208390 Yen Cross
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 If I only knew, what I know now? Nice work Doc. & Tango.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:30 | 3208569 Manipuflation
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I have a question for you all to consider.  What is going on with the dating here?

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:31 | 3208574 Yen Cross
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 Pound Sand<

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:42 | 3208589 Manipuflation
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Yen, it is a reasonable question if you look at the data.  It's not hard to see.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 01:11 | 3208627 Yen Cross
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   Are you fucking kidding me?  I'm the guy that buys your student loans!    

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 01:30 | 3208653 Manipuflation
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LOL  I do not have any student loans.  So now what?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:04 | 3210802 Just Ice
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I only glanced at the data you linked but am assuming "closing date" means initial close date scheduled for an acquisition whereas updated date means date the acquisition actually did close or has been rescheduled for as anticipated to close.  (Similar to an escrow for sale of any other business or real property...there's a prospective date the sale is set to close when papers first signed but then the date can be pushed to later as contingencies of the sale are met/eliminated/delayed.) 

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:24 | 3208286 gwar5
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Yesterday, upon the stair,
I had a worry that wasn’t there
It wasn’t there again today
I wish, I wish It’d go away...

 

 

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:16 | 3208789 Fedaykinx
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eeexcellent.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 12:22 | 3209076 falak pema
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maybe you don't stare hard enuff! 

Stare it down !

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:25 | 3208296 scrappy
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Yup, nature.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:29 | 3208303 scrappy
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Yes, we need to work "with" nature going forward.

 

It's doable,we have the tools, material, and labor, and the need bigtime.

 

Reminds me of the Guernsey experiment, at least in the short term.

 

http://www.michaeljournal.org/guernsey.htm

 

 

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 22:40 | 3208337 blindman
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Bob Marley-Don't worry be happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo4OnQpwjkc

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 23:10 | 3208414 blindman
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Singing In The Rain - Singing In The Rain (Gene Kelly) [HD Widescreen]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ
.
Jimmy Durante - ( If You're ) Young at Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RchGMmizg
.
" ..here is the best part, you have a head start
if you are among the very young at heart." ...
.
be happy morgan stanley, don't worry. it will rain
"money" and you will get wet while watching the world
burn without a care. moar moar moar ... and
singing in the rain .....

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 23:21 | 3208437 helping_friendl...
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I am a serial poster. Sorry but, I must:

 

Please look at this to explain why the people in North America are being abused by the "chosen ones"

This news clip is from FOX news so I can say it is right wing.

if you watch the whole video you will be appalled by the truth.

I never thought I would ever claim a Fox news segment as the most honest reporting I have ever seen.

Bloomberg will not allow me to post this video.

the truth watch if you dare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS89vNH-eeY

It seems Bloomberg news hires disqus to censor their comment section.

Please feel free to go to any Bloomberg article and post this news report produced by FOX news.

I think disqus is paid by the piece, meaning they are paid a set amount for every censor of a comment.

I propose we break Bloomberg by posting this video, which is red pill stuff, on every article produced on Bloomberg.com

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 01:52 | 3208677 DoChenRollingBearing
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Uhm, interesting video, but it is almost five years old, just sayin'...

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:25 | 3208791 helping_friendl...
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Uhm, does the truth have an expiration date?

You, obviously, can not reason? You don't get it?

I don't understand why you are not in abhorrence?

What is wrong with you?

South Korean? Say hello to your Northern cousins breaking down the fence on the 38th.

They will send their women to detonate the mines to make a path for the millions!

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 10:45 | 3208959 HoaX
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Disqus has no fuckin moderator, but they auto-block links being posted and give you that message. You´re a bit paranoid dude.

If you wanna post a link on disqus use [ ] at certain points and tell people to remove them.

Like [www].Yousuck[.gov]

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 23:46 | 3208467 Monedas
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We give fuel rods to North Korea .... we give secrets to China about getting a satellite into orbit .... we are clueless about 9/11 .... I think we should pay Israel to spy on us .... and tell us where we're fucking up !   We could close down the CIA .... contract with Mosad .... for ten cents on the dollar .... and no more Hillary Clinton "Benghazis" !         If the Israelis admitted they were on to the 9/11 terrorists .... we probably would have tried them for espionage .... if they were seen celebrating in a New Jersey parking lot .... it was because they got their Jews to be late for work that day .... never did hear the breakdown on how many Jews were killed on 9/11 .... do you have any data on that .... how many Jews would normally be working in the twin towers .... how many were working that day .... and how many died ?

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:39 | 3208799 helping_friendl...
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You are just an inbred incestuous Israeli tool.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread597338/pg1

Brinnng baaaack thhhe guillotine......

....to execute all the Israeli trash.....

just imagine the lyrics to the music of Steely Dan, Boston Rag.

No offence to Steely Dan. I've seen them many times and I enjoy their jam.

One of few Jews I respect.

Monedas is just a Stern gang Pollock. Go back to Poland from whence you came.

clonehitler.com

We need to take care of you: boy.

Fri, 02/01/2013 - 23:49 | 3208494 Yen Cross
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Be well all. I'm going to link the latest BoJ PDF. Egress. In the morning. 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 00:26 | 3208564 kito
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morgan stanley is worried.....yeah...righhhhhttt.................

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 01:03 | 3208619 Yen Cross
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 I have " middle of the night" trading stories.   Last night, GBP/USD i escaped by 2 pips before New York opened.

     The retrace looked good.  It was< I broke even on the trade. I was Trading Yen retraces, and hedging. ( I got lucky)

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 02:34 | 3208717 deKevelioc
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Cure for a strong euro?  Begin the meme of the terrible euro, again.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 09:33 | 3208909 Ghordius
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+1 send in the terrible clowns

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 03:06 | 3208732 dunce
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Nothing seems to get recycled as much as "this time it is different". Usually what they are referring to is political attempts to repeal the laws of economics as explained by the Austrian school of thought by legislation. The only thing that changes is their explanations for their latest failure.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:35 | 3208795 SilverMoneyBags
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Same old story, same old outcome. Things would be better by now globally, if we had taken a different approach years ago.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 05:52 | 3208809 helping_friendl...
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Please look at this to explain why the people in North America are being abuse by the "chosen ones"

This news clip is from FOX news so I can say it is right wing.

if you watch the whole video you will be appalled by the truth.

I never thought I would ever claim a Fox news segment as the most honest reporting I have ever seen.

Bloomberg will not allow me to post this video.

the truth watch if you dare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS89vNH-eeY

It seems Bloomberg news hires disqus to censor their comment section.

Please feel free to go to any Bloomberg article and post this news report produced by FOX news.

I think disqus is paid by the piece, meaning they are paid a set amount for every censor of a comment.

I propose we break Bloomberg by posting this video, which is red pill stuff, on every article produced on Bloomberg.com

 

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 07:13 | 3208838 Volaille de Bresse
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"Europe's toast.


We all know that.

Yet nothing seems to happen.

I don't get it."

 

Me neither... I often walk the financial district of Paris and at lunchtime you see these scums... I mean traders on the sidewalks happy as as pigs in shit! Looks like business is good for them. They frown a bit when I tell them they should be hung with barbed wire (a rope would be too sweet) but apart from this... la vie est belle for them!

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 08:52 | 3208880 buzzsaw99
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The only thing MS execs worry about is their next bonus.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 12:19 | 3209075 falak pema
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every time MS gets worried, its good news for the people.

Sat, 02/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3209352 Atomizer
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Morgun Stanlwee On Eulope: "We'le Getting Wollied" -Hahahahaaaa

 

Sony must launch the Flexible Full Color Paper Screen, begin licensing agreements.

The Future of communication or not!

Connect the dots.. ;)

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