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100 Years Of U.S. Federal Income Tax
On February 3rd, 1913, one of the two most historic events in US history took place: the ratification of the 16th amendment, which established Congress' right to impose a Federal income tax on Americans, and overturned Article I, Section 9 of the US Constitution which explicitly prohibited a general income tax. The amendment was brief and to the point, and read as follows: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." And with that, the US Federal Income Tax was born and has been with us for precisely 100 years.
The amendment itself:
The result: the first ever iteration of what would henceforth become the most hated form in US history.
From OurDocuments.gov
Passed by Congress on July 2, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913, the 16th amendment established Congress's right to impose a Federal income tax.
Far-reaching in its social as well as its economic impact, the income tax amendment became part of the Constitution by a curious series of events culminating in a bit of political maneuvering that went awry.
The financial requirements of the Civil War prompted the first American income tax in 1861. At first, Congress placed a flat 3-percent tax on all incomes over $800 and later modified this principle to include a graduated tax. Congress repealed the income tax in 1872, but the concept did not disappear.
After the Civil War, the growing industrial and financial markets of the eastern United States generally prospered. But the farmers of the south and west suffered from low prices for their farm products, while they were forced to pay high prices for manufactured goods. Throughout the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, farmers formed such political organizations as the Grange, the Greenback Party, the National Farmers’ Alliance, and the People’s (Populist) Party. All of these groups advocated many reforms (see the Interstate Commerce Act) considered radical for the times, including a graduated income tax.
In 1894, as part of a high tariff bill, Congress enacted a 2-percent tax on income over $4,000. The tax was almost immediately struck down by a five-to-four decision of the Supreme Court, even though the Court had upheld the constitutionality of the Civil War tax as recently as 1881. Although farm organizations denounced the Court’s decision as a prime example of the alliance of government and business against the farmer, a general return of prosperity around the turn of the century softened the demand for reform. Democratic Party Platforms under the leadership of three-time Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, however, consistently included an income tax plank, and the progressive wing of the Republican Party also espoused the concept.
In 1909 progressives in Congress again attached a provision for an income tax to a tariff bill. Conservatives, hoping to kill the idea for good, proposed a constitutional amendment enacting such a tax; they believed an amendment would never receive ratification by three-fourths of the states. Much to their surprise, the amendment was ratified by one state legislature after another, and on February 25, 1913, with the certification by Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, the 16th amendment took effect. Yet in 1913, due to generous exemptions and deductions, less than 1 percent of the population paid income taxes at the rate of only 1 percent of net income.
This document settled the constitutional question of how to tax income and, by so doing, effected dramatic changes in the American way of life.
As for the other historic event of US history, ironically it, too, took place in 1913, on December 23: this was the day when the Federal Reserve was founded.
The charts below summarize what has happened next:
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Blow Me...
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Time for some of your "Fred & Wilma" insights Kantbelieveit
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-03/how-bend-economy#comment-3210887
Fuck the Infernal Rotorooter Scumbags! An illegal paramilitary organization to rob you blind, every single year, after year...
the USG was bankrupt and this was the only way to get interest money lent to them from thin air
aka: the Mandrake mechanism
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Shoulda stuck to 'making beer' to make money
May the Blue Bird of Happiness shit on their birthday cake.
that didn't take long
INCOME TAX DODGERS TO BE SMOKED OUT;"400 special experts on their trail"
"A man is a fool who attempts to avoid the income tax, Commissioner Osborne said today. He is sure to be detected sooner or later. There is no chance that tax dodgers can escape."
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70D17FF3F5E13738DDDAF...
THE 16th AMENDMENT WAS NEVER LEGALLY RATIFIED !!!
Several states illegally ratified it under their own state constitutions and/or did not submit official ratification documentation properly.
I really liked Aaron Russo's 'Freedom to Fascism' documentary. Took a lot of shots at this topic and embarrased the hell out of the IRS nitwits.
It’s no goddam accident that the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve Bank were established at the same time.
They are part and parcel of the same rape of the American republic.
There are practical considerations as well. In order for a fiat currency to work properly, you have to create a built-in demand for it. That's why an income tax is so important, for the tax can only be paid using Federal Reserve Notes. Otherwise, you could abandon the currency entirely and move to barter...or start using an alternative currency, like, say, 90% silver pre-1965 dimes. As an example.
That's part of it. Another part is that the income tax is a way to drain excess currency from the economy to mitigate inflation. But they can only take out what they put in.
Your labor cannot be taxed, unless you exchange it for Federal Reserve Notes (Caesar's money). Even then, there are ways to discharge the obligation.
I am Chumbawamba.
Andrew Joseph Stack, who flew his plane into an Austin TX IRS office
Hero or terrorist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack
I am busy trying to reduce my income to zero. And also to reduce my spending to as low as possible.
Starve the beast!
Andrew Stack was another one of MANY 'false flags'...
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Go back to cleaning Sheldon Adelson's pool...
It wasn't a false flag. How can I know? Because no political advantage was taken from it. False flags are always perpetrated to pursue a political end.
Otherwise, why go through all the trouble?
is that your word for today "false flag"?
Guys like you crack me up. You are so lazy and insecure that you think you see the international jew behind every world event.
they dont come any dumber or more predictable than you, schmuck
I see that the topic of stealing our money by force of law has brought out the trusty Hasbara Trolls.
P.S. Andrew Joseph Stack didn't work as a false flag because he was a musician with one of Alex Jones' staffmembers, Rob Dew. They had multiple videos of him playing keyboards in a local band with Rob Dew, and also knew his whole story personally, and his wife, so blew any holes the media was trying to advance. Yet another time that the local authorities were running a 'drill' about terrorism a few miles from where the actual event occurred, -on the same day-.
Keep going Francis. There IS an International Jew behind every fucked up world event.
Oh, and lest we forget, that same year there was a third atrocity thrust upon the republic that sealed our fate..
The 17th Amendment stole the Senate away from the control of and accountability to state governments and handed it over to moneyed special interests (banks/large corporations) who could fund and sway the shallow beauty contests that elections have become.
By getting the Senate they ultimately got de-facto control of the Judicial, too.
There are no "States" anymore in the federal government of United States of America as the founders established it.
Q: How many is take for Globalist Jew screw incandescent light?
A: None, all work is done by Goyim!
Mission Accomplished in reducing income and tax liability to zero. It's really not as bad as one might fear.
Prescient.
thats why taxes for government financing is is obsolite.
Some say there is a REMEDY written into the 'law'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6fxC5CXMg
What they never told us is that the tax is interest for using the Fed's private 'money'/credit, like a bank card costs to use.
Stop using credit and use public money...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6fxC5CXMg
Erhm... you surely meant 'democracy'... and the freedoms it brings along, for which we are hated.
We're #1! (at illusory rape)
"Taxation without representation is tyranny" is a quaint phrase tossed at elementary school children in passing. Or wait... has that been deemed a terrorist threat... kind of like how pointing your finger like a gun is a terrorist threat.
Next time you see someone with an I <3 Obamacare bumper sticker, tell them they are scum.
And if you "love" the Fed Income Tax, just wait...
Next up... VAT! The "gift" (to the gubbermint) that keeps on giving. Things will be taxed at every transaction. Over and over again... a Liberal bureaucrat's wet-dream! Just like National health care, the Libs have been salivating for a VAT for a long time. They'll start it low, but then it will get jacked up over time. Just ask the euroweenies about VAT. They started out at about 5% and then before they knew it, they're over 20% now in some places!
People it's ConsumerBowl XLVII!!!! Relax and get ure 64oz limited edition Dew. Be ready to see some REAL Americana in the making... encapsulated in those 60 second segments, only today. Feel good artifacts brought straight to your home...
The one day each year Americans all pray to the same god... Proves there is hope.
The only drawback is having to sit through four 15 minute quarters of cultural dance and celebration.
TV spectator 'sport' is a waste of time IMO.
Bob Costas went after our gun rights, and you can bet he doesn't do anything without approval from his masters.
Now I hear theyre going to feature kids from the school that was attacked in the Stupid Bowl broadcast. More propaganda.
Youre more likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim of a mass shooting. Gun crimes have declined by about 50% in the
US over the last 20 years (FBI stats).
I'll continue to watch when our young family members and friends kids play in various sporting events. That means alot to the kids to have
people cheering them on and encouraging them.
Think I'll skip the Stupid Bowl, and skip supporting those who would attack our Freedoms. They can go f*ck themselves !I'm no huge fan of charts, but it looks like everytime we spend more, we increase the deficit!!!
Gee, how's that going to help??
I agree. How does one get around this? employers withold fed income tax
Move to a different country and keep your first 80k without feeding the beast. More if they can pay you in other ways.
Edit: sorry the official number is $95,100, they index it for inflation each year (look up Foreign Earned Income Exclusion).
Laws don't matter when you have all the guns
Yep 100 years of illegally confiscating our money. Courts still refuse to see and acknowledge facts.
May the Blue Bird of Happiness shit on their birthday cake
I think it will be the black swan of happiness.
"I think it will be the black swan of happiness."
Is that a planned black swan, or a natural black swan?
This man has some VERY INTERESTING things to share here in his videos. What is noteworthy is the outbreak of this virus that no doubt came from any number of sorted nasty chem/bio labs that were flooded during Katrina. And of course what may be more prevalent is the deliberate poisoning of that entire region with corexit and the horrendous amounts of crude that have killed off most of the biology in the gulf and up the Atlantic, and over now to the western shores of Europe.
Oh, back to this. Will there be a superbowl, or is this a horse wash to be horsewashed?
V214 Super Bowl insurance cancelled.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYwRIACUEXA
Corexit killing the Gulf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2fldJnaNp0
This is an excerpt from the above archived article:
The notice was address, "To all Corporations, Joint Stock Companies or Associations, and Insurance Companies."
The notice was to gather up information on those who had received gains on their common stock in the above-named entitites. In other words, "income".
When you exchange hours of your day for some form of compensation, you did not receive income, you were compensated. Compensation is not taxable, only income. Income is a gain derived from some entity or opportunity contrived by the government, i.e. stock in a corporation, which is a government chartered entity, operating under privilege, a benefit. You take benefits from the government, you pay for it.
That's how this works, then and now.
I am Chumbawamba.
BINGO. But that got flushed down the memory hole, didn't it?
That was the foot in the door then, that allowed them to get their hand deep in your wallet, as they are today.
language as delivery of concepts.
seek the definitions of words language'd, never take for granted that you know how the word is being used.
against you.
there is no real common language, though there/their is common awareness shared pre-verbal.
seek the(ir) definitions of the words used against you.
it's everywhere.
This is how they trick us: through their spell-ing.
It helps to know what they're saying. Get a copy of Black's Law Dictionary, preferably 4th or 5th edition. Anytime a politician says a word, assume they aren't an ignorant ass and assume you don't know what that word really means. Look it up in a law dictionary so you know what they're really saying. Then you'll know what spells they are trying to cast.
I am Chumbawamba.
in deed.
I've long since held that I don't speak the same language as most, and clarity is intended so care is use-full when attempting to share perspectives. . .admittedly, I often just revert to sarc, but in cases where there is an attempt to meet halfway, dia-logos often produce more than the initial observations. . .
I'm often grateful for being self-taught, and thank you for your observations over the years I've shown up here, they have been, shall we say, provocative.
I always enjoy your comments, as well as Chumbawamba's contributions. Makes me wish I had found this site about a year earlier than I did.
Also makes me feel foolish for sparring with trolls when there are deeper lessons to learn.
Thanks.
The son of a friend of mine went to IRS boot camp in DC last year, the little weasle. He didn't make the cut.
Son of a friend of mine did make the cut and got a job. I told him I'd much rather he become a male stripper than a whore for the govt.
He lasted about a year before he quit. The made him go out to people's homes to harass them, and he finally figured out one day somebody was gonna shoot him, and they already were in the process of hiring his replacement.
"United States citizens", not Americans. And "income", not an exchange of one form of property for another (i.e. your labor for money).
I am Chumbawamba.
The IRS still exists because Americans cower in fear at their very mention.
http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/
An IRS Revenue Officer ignored the 2 separate NO TRESPASSING signs on my porch and still taped a summons to my door. I returned it to her at her office the other day, pointing out its defects. It had no account number and it wasn't addressed to my legal person. The IRS is trying to set up a new account under a misnomer to contract with me. No, thanks.
I am Chumbawamba.
Depending on your state, and in most states a summons has no legal force unless handed to you personally. Just ignore it and don't answer the door to stangers. It is perfectly legal to avoid service.
Looks like if we invert the second chart the true wealth effect can be seen since the inception of the grand experiment.
100 years of fraud and counting!
http://schiffblog.blogspot.ca/
"Federal Reserve" and The IRS.What could possibly go wrong?
Whats a dollar worth now...about 3 cents?
It is long past time to get these shackles off.
Long past time.
Amen.
Or get Nancy Pelosi and the other Sodomites to disclose THEIR taxes.
Whats a dollar worth now...about 3 cents?
Yes, but only in pennies made after 1982.
Yes, but only in pennies made before 1982. The newer pennies are mostly zinc.
When the SHTF the masses know which buildings to topple. The 2 evil houses of the republic.
Like Regan's, Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall."
Tear the IRS and the Federal Reserve Buildings Down!!!!
Oh, but you forgot the 'benefit' of having a world wide EMPIRE.
'We' now have 900 military bases around the world and some footprint on just about every country on the globe.
I costs a lot of money (and a lot of lives) . . . for some politician to get off on an ego power trip, you know.
That's an odd point of view. They send me way more money than I pay every year.
Haven't you heard about earned incoming credits? They are just like money! You just tell the IRS how much you made and they have the treasury send you a bonus check. It's awesome.
I love those guys. You must be doing it wrong.
I've got your taxes.
I've got them hanging between my legs.
Motherfuckers.
http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/yesterday-morning-i-had-hankering-for.html
Many will refuse to pay this year and a big shit fest will be made of it and some series of bad economic data will be blamed on it. Happy Birthday!
We are all Greeks now.
And in some strange twist of karmic fate, on the 100th birthday to the day, of this ominous anniversary, we watch the Super Bowl!
The single biggest fiat currency, commercial orgy inducing, credit creating event, ever invented by man!! (And yes I will be watching too) More taxes will be paid this weekend, (sales, local, and federal income) then any other, besides that "Black Friday" circus, every year!
Ironic, don't you think!
no betting...that would not be right......these cocksucking rule makers....ravens all day long...
And many more will happily accept their "free" redistribution monies.
Yes. The same year they established the Federal Reserve Bank. What a coincidence.
And around the establishment of the FBI.. and shortly thereafter, our entrance into World War I.
Relax. As soon as we win WW1 the tax will go away.
As will the debt ceiling suspension.
Soon.
As will the State of Emergency declared on March 9, 1933 under the Trading With The Enemy Act of 1917.
Well and united States of America will be restored. And corporation know as UNITED STATES(and ACT of 1865 and 1867 will be repald) will be disolved and its proprety reposes for constitutional GVMT.
And original 13th amedment will be enforced. With reapeling of 16th and 17th
Yes they need one another - The Fed and Fed Income Tax - they are like low pressure and humidity feeding the debt vortex.
The IRS IS the COLLECTION BUREAU FOR THE FED...collecting interest on Bankster created phony/fiat dollars. The Jews have been thrown out of every nation in Europe at least once for their usury and greed.
100 up arrows for you! The grand prize!
Every nation but the U.S.
Hopefully there's still time. I have my doubts
Dig deeper... This was 'passed' in Congress in 1909 [followed shortly thereafter by the meeting at 'Jeckyll Island']... No dumbfuck 'Mericans ever stood a chance against these weasels... Remember that when they come after your gus...
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Planning of the Federal Reserve System
See also: History of the Federal Reserve SystemAt the end of November 1910, Senator Nelson W. Aldrich and Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury Department A. Piatt Andrew, and five of the country's leading financiers (Frank Vanderlip, Henry P. Davison, Charles D. Norton, Benjamin Strong, and Paul Warburg) arrived at the Jekyll Island Club to discuss monetary policy and the banking system, an event that led to the creation of the current Federal Reserve. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, the 1910 Jekyll Island meeting resulted in draft legislation for the creation of a U.S. central bank. Parts of this draft (the Aldrich plan) were incorporated into the 1913 Federal Reserve Act.
@Lets_Eat_Ben
Connect the dots further...
One year later, In 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (& of the 'Hapsburg' dynasty] was killed & WWI began... In 1915, the Lusitania was sunk (drawing the US into the conflict)... DEBT CITY Here we come... By the end of WWI, they're talking about the 'Treaty of Versaille' [which later became the United Nations ~ whose first move was to ratify the State of Israel in honor of the Balfour Agreement]...
Of course ~ this is all a WILD coincidence...
I think Benny signs on just to give down arrows to posts like these.
Who the pluck else would give a down arrow?
The ADL is on call 24/7...
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THEY ARE LEGION! [even moreso than Bitcoiners]
Off topic.
Joe Biden is preparing the French public opinion to the " fact" that the window for diplomacy is closing for Iran.
http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2013/02/03/nucleaire-iranien...
It wasn't passed.
Go back and check individual states voting upon it.Then add them up.
One vote short of 3/4 of the states.Nobody has even tested that in court.On other issues;
SCOTUS has already held that the 16th amendment gives no power to the Feds to
levy a personal income tax either.Four times so held since 1916.
A livinglie.
WC, I have long heard that claim, but I have never seen direct reference to the SC cases. Can you provide it? TY in advance.
Lusitania sinking was a setup by Schiff and Rothschild zioinists to get Amerikwa in WW1 in exchange for Balfour Declaration (Israel Creation.)
Germans took front page of New York Times, warning dummy Amerikwans of Lusitania provocation to no avail. Recently, divers confirmed that Lusitania in fact carried arms supplies. The reasoh that it sunk so quickly was because some of the ammo exploded.
Yes they supposedly were hauling "BUTTER" in those forward cargo holds, that after they found the wreck, found millions of .303 British Ammo inside the ship and near the wreck along with artillery shells. So German intel was pretty good even then. You also forgot to mention that the US and British militaries have both tried to go to th wreck and further destroy it, and keep people away from it. Lest they bring up more proof to help show those govt's have a long track record of lying to get its citizens to go die in wars about lies.
Was the Son of bitch Paul Warburg a German Kyke?
The "income" tax was imposed so that there would be a revenue stream to pay the interest on money now "borrowed" from the privately held "Federal" Reserve Bank!
Prior to this our country created its own interest free money. The government in its limited role funded itself through taxes on commerce at one time exclusively with a tax on beer.
It does not take a conspiracy minded individual to connect these dots.
Usually, they conveniently stop making connections when it becomes clear WHO the beneficiaries are...
Thanks, I was reading the comments to see if someone brought out that point.
If not I was going to post it.
It all connected kids
Conservatives, hoping to kill the idea for good, proposed a constitutional amendment enacting such a tax; they believed an amendment would never receive ratification by three-fourths of the states.
They hoped nothing of the sort, and the same shit still happens today. Politicians were unrepentant scum then and they are unrepentant scum now..........
Jesus, that Bonner guy's been in con-gress a long time.
100 years of Slavery , and counting
It is becoming increasingly clear, although painful to admit, "tune-in, turn-on and drop out".
The social mood is so bleak today, one can't even find any LSD anymore.
We're all on an acid-free BAD TRIP.
Actually, one could argue the 14th Amendment made us de jure slaves in 1868, when Inalienable Rights were replaced by "privileges and immunities."
What happened in 1913 made it not just a matter of law, but also of economics.
Well taht hapend for citizens of Federal GVMT "under jurisdiction there of" But states deiapeared....
Next year am sure it will be different....
Embrace Hope!
And Change?
I was chatting with Muppet and he mentioned that his pastor was talking about 1963 and how it was the year society really started to decay. While I don't disagree with this, especially given some of the statistics, I find 1913 was a much more significant date. 1913 was the year that America was officially on the path to self-destruction, in my opinion.
I'd like to add the 1912 sinking of the Titanic to this. Little did America know that the nation as a whole would eventually sink with that ship.
Not if we rearrange the deck chairs.
Over 600 industrialists who opposed the Federal Reserve died on that ship. J.P. Morgan, who suggested that they all meet on board to discuss their concerns, missed the boat "at the last minute".
did you know that the Titanic had a sister ship, the Olympic?
interesting & entertaining slice of titanic tinfoil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfPtDvm3a_s
Yes. Reminds me of Larry Silverstein, somehow.
And the conservatives that thought that it could not be approved...
Were RIGHT!
Look up the book "The Law That Never Was"
Author Bill Benson went to each state capitol and researched how the law was passed
in each state and found that several of the states that were put down as approving this amendment never did.
It squeaked through the same way Obamacare did ... by HOOK OR CROOK.
Talk about a barbarous relic.
Let's just throw out there, (you know, just to prove that it won't happen) a vote to repeal the second amendment. It won't go anywhere, and this will kill the idea once and for all............I'd like to go back in time with a shitload of rope......
..and condoms.
That is ok, the line in the sand has been drawn. People are waking up to the fact their "authority" is nothing but cowardice fear driven ego. In the next hundred years the only certainty in life will be the death of the taxman.
Not in a million years.
"The only things certain in life are death and taxes."
--Ben Franklin.
Everyone wants MY money (effort, sweat, toil). I work hard and I want to keep MY money. Either some useless bureaucrat, evil bankster, or useless lazy POS TAKES it from me.
I'm sick of it....... I'd like to take MY ball and leave the field.
I'd like to take MY ball and leave the field.
Don't just talk. DO IT.
non-participation...simply appearing stupid and lazy will speed up the chain of events.
+ 1 trillion or maybe a quadrillion! The light just went off right there in the middle where my brain should be. We just act stupid and lazy, and since so many really are, we are camoflauged...
Going Galt by appearing to be lazy and stupid... Made my day, oddjob, thanks!
'We just act stupid and lazy, and since so many really are, we are camoflauged...'
Definitely the approach to take with the TSA ... they just assume you're one of them.
There is a school of thought in prepping that your bugout vehicle should look more like this:
http://static6.depositphotos.com/1003098/572/i/950/depositphotos_5722133...
then this:
http://www.enemyforces.net/apc/tpz_fuchs.jpg
The "grey man" strategy of blending in is a very viable option to survive many situations.
Going Galt is the only way to survive and thrive on the plantation.
I remember a book called `How Children Fail` by John Holt. He watched grade school kids and the strategies they used to avoid situations.
Hmm, are you SURE you want to keep it? Not spend it on, say, silver? Of course there would be no ball or field if there were no money. Think long and hard about the true nature of money, assets, life, love and beauty.
They only take half my money, so I must be a slave only half the time. Of course, during the half I live as a free man I still need permission (a license) to drive a car, carry a weapon, get married, open a business, put a shed in my yard, fix the septic tank, sell lemonade, put a roof on the house, own a dog, fish, hunt, assemble in public, and drive a motorcyce and so on and so on.
Well Cheesy, if that is upsetting, don't look for state lands to prospect.
You may look at birds, hike, etc. But do NOT look at taking any collateral off of their lands.
Their owners don't like that.
pods
Very true pods. Also, it's not just government land either, they own it all. I still gotta pay them rent (property taxes) on property I have a deed for, or they will make me homeless. Sad.
You are correct.... I do my very darnedest to avoid half of the above mentioned items.
Who needs a license to carry? Mine's expired... I don't care.
I love your list. We ask permission for everything, well some do, and it is pretty funny when you sit down and add up the fees associated with all the paid for "rights".
I'm licensed in a couple different things and every year I pay a few states around $1400 for the privalege of being licensed.
Nothing to be proud of.
Bitchez, taxes!
The Federal Reserve and The Federal Income Tax are all part of the BIG LIE. An exerpt from Chapter Three of "Perhaps a Crumble Rather than a Collapse" coming late Monday afternoon. Chapter Two will be posted today, Sunday afternoon.
"Once we ignore the lie psychologically we become enablers of the lie. Every time we ignore the lie we are deepening our involvement and our own culpability. Soon enough we find ourselves defending the lie in order to defend ourselves. To out the lie and the liar at a later time means outing our prior complicity. This is why we find so many people believing the lie and actively supporting that which is contrary to their best interest or basic beliefs. Best to just leave sleeping dogs lie (sic). We do exactly the same thing with the government, military, judicial system, corporations and of course the financial system. Please don’t tell me because I just don’t want to know. And to make sure I don’t know what I don’t want to know I won’t ask."
when you talk like that you sound like Hitler.
Accuracy and evil are not mutually exclusive.
I think people here think you're the one that always sounds like hitler. What happened to your other 7 trav??
p'haps robotrader made off with it. . .
You're being downvoted, but you're right:
All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to thebig lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
--Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", chapter 10
One is an explanation of why people ignore the truth and the other is how to use propaganda. It is not the same at all as it is from diverging viewpoints, ie those being lied to and those doing the lying.
The difference is that Hitler was explaining the process in order to exploit the psychological flaw. I am explaining the process in order to help us see our psychological flaw so that we may reduce or eliminate the fact that it is leveraged against us.
Chapter Two has just been posted. An exerpt.....
"When only a few dozen individuals can successfully claim that they understand how an economic system works and how to fix it, and the remaining 99.99% are simply told that all is well, to just trust them, we have fully crossed over from examining and describing a complex economic entity and into a religious cult based solely upon faith and belief."
Problem lies in the complete lack of respect for knowledge. When a paper degree is equated with knowledge, that's it - game over son, you can only wait for the grand reset of collective mentality.
"Oh you don't have an MBA? Your opinion doesn't count."
"But I can objectively see the intrinsic flaws of this here economic system and offer a dozen alternatives that would actualy work instead of saying they will work and fucking us further with the same old shit that put us here in the first place."
"No MBA, no opinion."
*gets MBA*
"What about now?"
"Sorry, you're not rich enough to have an opinion. Go away."
Even the paper credentials don't mean shit. It truly IS a money-worshipping cult most participate in. 'Atheists' in this system are treated with scorn and ridicule. Have a heathenous day. :)
You don't know what you are talking about. The wealthy guy on TV said they are "doing god's work" so it must be so. And for all you athiests out there it should be obvious that god is good and that is the reason the banks run everything.
"Doing gods work" only problem there is that Zionists god is LUCIFER, the father of lies
“Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer” -so I wasn’t lying. -and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.”
The above is an exact quote of Harold Wallace Rosenthal, former top administrative Aide to the then Senator Jacob Javits, who was since defeated in the 1980 election.
And we have a winner. The Luciferian system is what is in control of the political and economic world.
"Oh you have an MBA? Your opinion doesn't count."
My personal mantra.
Here is the full quote as A. Hitler intended (highlighted parts is what you omitted):
"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.
From time immemorial. however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail."
A. Hitler, Mein Kampf
Funny that, Hitler quoting Schopenhauer as an antisemite...while he is being lauded as a great cosmopolitan and philosemite these days. Kinda the opposite of what happened to Nietzsche.
While you mention philosemites , another jewish joke :
What is a philosemite ? An antisemitic who loves the jews !
Really, sounds like that one from Clemenceau
"I love Germany so much that i wish there were several of them."
Lying is natural to the social mind and the world it creates.
Thanks CD , for your precious insight, as ever.
I used to apologize the outrageous lies of contemporary
history writing with the need to justify the present while belittling the past.
Your physiological description for our need of lies is a lot more fitting, not to mention the psychological part...
"The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason:
it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it
from the process which currency was meant to serve.
Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid avarice."
Politics I, ch. 10, 1258a35 (c.335-323 BC), ref: Aristotle Politics,
careful there, you're going to start putting reason behind historical "antisemitism" and we can't have that
The only thing between Aristotle & 'made up' terms like 'antisemitism' is the ADL & the MSM...
This has nothing to do with the fractional reserve banking system or usury. People putting capital at risk deserve no compensation? The only way to avoid risk is to never lend money at all. So it is either you cannot lend and therefore not "commit usury" or you can lend and expect that your risk be rewarded. The point of a typical bank would be to accept money (which used to be cash, gold and silver) and pay a percentage for the right to lend it (paying the depositor for the risk they incur via the bank) and expect a percentage for the cost of borrowing it (the borrower pays for the access to the money borrowed).
If due diligence were more common and credit cards weren't falling from the sky and money weren't so carelessly thrown about and gambled illegally through Wall St and spent endlessly through DC these massive problems would have never gotten so out of hand and would have been small enough to manage during a time of crisis.
I would never lend my money (put at risk) without compensation for such risk. Good point also about "Other People's Money" being loaned with casual abandon.
the money they lend doesn't even exist
It is people who put UNEARNED capital at risk that deserve no compensation. To wit:
1) those who create money from nothing, and then lend it at a profit; or
2) those who warehouse other people's money, and then lend THAT money at a profit.
Any individual person, who has lawfully earned their money through their own efforts, is entitled to lend that money to another person at interest.
Glad I'm not the only one who understands that...
I understand and agree but a bank performing in the manner I described above would be providing the service of doing the due diligence for prospective borrowers, collecting the interest and repayment for the loan and insuring the return of the principal plus interest to the original depositor. Unless people worked in the bank for free the bank must be compensated for these services too. These services are something a person probably wouldn't have the time or resources to perform on their own so there has to be compensation to those doing it for them.
What you are describing Buckaroo is more Wall St banking than what was the classical function of a bank. I abhor the Wall St/Fed/fractional reserve/credit creation model of money from nothing, or put another way, they make themselves winners by creating ever more losers and even now they call their clients muppets and steal directly from the people they are supposed to be fiduciaries for.
As long as all bank managers were both depositors AND stock holders then ok. Otherwise the agency problem is insurmountable, IMO.