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How To Bend An Economy

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From Bill Buckler, author of The Privateer

How To Bend An Economy

Once a government becomes involved in “running” an economy, it invariably ends up running it into the ground. The only variables in this process are how long it takes and how prostrate a given economy becomes by the end of it. Because it always ends - sooner or later. Rational economic theory provides abundant proof of WHY this is the case. Economic and political history is absolutely unanimous in their verdict that it always DOES take place. There is no escape from this truth, no matter how many people wish it were not so and how fervently they ignore the evidence of their eyes and their brains.

It took a very long time to enshrine into law the separation of church and state. But it was finally recognised that religion is a matter for the individual “conscience” and that any interference with this is beyond the legitimate role of government. What has as yet been realised by very few is that the individual “conscience” is even more involved in the economic realm than it is in the religious realm. For that reason alone, the separation of economic action and state is equally important. It is impossible to prevent an individual from making choices. It IS possible to discourage or hamper or prohibit that individual from acting on those choices. A threat is usually sufficient, if the individual knows that behind the threat rests the outright use of force if he or she persists. But the INITIATION of the use of force by anyone is precisely what a legitimate government is set up to prevent - or at least to deal with if it occurs.

In the economic realm, ANY threat or exercise of the use of force to hamper or prohibit the voluntary interaction of individuals is guaranteed to inhibit the functioning of the economy. The extent to which force is used is exactly proportional to this inhibition. Once a government gets involved in giving PERMISSION for people to act or in PROHIBITING actions which do not involve the use of force, the economy starts to bend out of shape. The insoluble problem is that once regulation in an economy begins, it cannot go “just so far” and then stop. A government cannot prohibit one voluntary action while remaining aloof from all other possible voluntary actions. The fact of the matter is that any governed nation has two ultimate choices. It can be free - in a situation where the government is TOTALLY barred from interfering in economic exchanges. Or it can be strangled by a government which stands as an impenetrable barrier between choices and the actions necessary to convert them to the building of a free and therefore prosperous nation.

The global “crisis” is a faithful and exact picture of how far down this second road the world has come.


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Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:31 | 3210825 Fukushima Sam
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All power centers are ultimately corrupted and corrupting, whether political or economic or whatever.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:40 | 3210970 Anusocracy
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Stupid comment. Government stands alone as being able to force obedience.




Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:05 | 3211167 Tango in the Blight
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Also cult leaders.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:38 | 3211411 Anusocracy
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Yes, and you can ignore them. But you can't ignore government.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:22 | 3211883 NidStyles
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I ignore them everyday.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:29 | 3211530 Jake88
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sieg heil meine fuhrer

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:43 | 3210973 Bananamerican
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"Once a government gets involved in ...PROHIBITING actions which do not involve the use of force, the economy starts to bend out of shape"


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:37 | 3210830 francis_sawyer
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But the DOW [14k] "IS" the economy... I saw it on TV so it must be true... Time to pull all the troops home, cut defense spending by 30%, take the Fed Funds rate back up to 6%, & put an immediate stop to QE4EVA...


Take this barnstormin' RECOVERY out for a spin & see what she can do...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:46 | 3210844 kliguy38
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they already know what it will do.........

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:36 | 3210954 Karlus
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"they already know what it will do........."


As do we. The reality is that they cannot raise the Red rate because of the impact on Govt debt repayment. I highly doubt new "revenue" aka taxes will work moving forward.


I do agree that there will be regulation around retirement accounts at some point to force mandatory investment in "govt approved" instruments. After raiding the SS bucket for years and tapping people out from a tax point of view (asset, consumption, income, inflation, licenses) this new bucket is about all that there is left besides printing more stimulus.


The only thing that will survive this will be non-depreciating "off book" assets like PMs and perhaps Ammo. Anything "on book" will be taxed and regulated most completely. This includes real-estate which because of property taxes and other costs I dont consider a real asset. You are basically a renter from the govt even with no mortgage.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:24 | 3211522 shovelhead
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My property taxes are a bargain.

At least I get something in return for them, unlike FED taxes that buy drones I don't need or want.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:43 | 3210975 unrulian
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Bend it like Bernank...Bitchez

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:55 | 3210855 CPL
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Once the pensions of all government workers are cracked open like an egg, the DOW will be around 27000 then the inflation will go completely apeshit because all that cash locked away in escrow will be put back into the system and thereby 'fungible', taxable and counted.


Any holders of US IOU-Bills aren't going to know what hit them.  Nobody is walking out of this alive financially.


Bullish BTW.  Whatever that means anymore.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:22 | 3210878 francis_sawyer
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Is that "Groucho Marx" nose & eyeglass a NEW addition to your avatar [or did I completely hallucinate & miss it in the past]?...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:37 | 3210957 CPL
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My cunning disguise...and I'm still fooling around with a cartoonify, alpha channel merge, shrink and sharpen plugin in GMIC/FX Foundry/GIMP.  I've seen it done on some forums and I'm trying to replicate the effect.  

aka a fun waste of time.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:37 | 3211554 chubbyjjfong
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"aka a fun waste of time"

Unfortunately a sentence that also succinctly and accurately describes how the TPTB elite treat the masses.  

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:38 | 3210836 Silver Garbage Man
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The sooner this massive world wide Fraud, Coruption, and Crime bubble blows the better for humanity it will be. It will be very painfull but it has to happen.The sooner the better.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:51 | 3211440 Anusocracy
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Whatever replaces it will be worse. Mother Nature has no need for uppity thinking individualists.

She has to claw them back into the collectivist morass of the human ant colony.

Genes must rule.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:23 | 3211891 NidStyles
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Says the uppity thinking individual...


You collectivists are so damn stupid that it's funny.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:40 | 3210837 Cognitive Dissonance
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As the government craves, then demands, more and more power, most of "We the People" become almost infantile in our dependence upon the hierarchal power structure (aka government) to protect us from ourselves.

The general population has devolved from the more mature and self assured age of a 30 year old back down to the middle teens, somewhat rebellious but still very dependent. Next step is further down the scale to the high single digits. And then, finally, back to the future of the terrible two's.

Just in time for the adult diaper explosion to be fully embraced.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:39 | 3210966 Karlus
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While I think people my age (41) are caught in the middle of costs for kids moving back and adults, most I know are taking a pretty gaundiced eye at the parents who never saved and squandered the money they did have on luxury.

I truly think a growing industry will be adult warehousing where the adult surrenders their SS payments (~$800/mo) and the kids pony up some money to cover the rest. It literally just becomes the adult monthly you pay.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3211373 CPL
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Historically back to normal for the human race.  Multi-generations of a clan (not with a K) living in the same house driving each other crazy and helping one another.  It spells the death of some service industries (pre-childhood education I'm looking at you) and government departments (Family services).

The economies collapsing have GOOD unintended consequences.  It repairs what was destroyed with greed.  The family.  The Tribe.  Blood.  Pick your poison.

Besides, at 41, I would guess you would much rather have a Grandma/Grandpa/Papa/Gran/Nana teaching the kids than a complete and total stranger.  Regardless of creditation or temperment, that's what anyone outside of a family circle is.  A stranger. 

Nanas/Papas > 20 something year old waiting to find mr right minding your kids.


As for the money lost, there wasn't a choice in the matter.  It was a mathmatical guarentee that the outcome is always collapse.  Makes as much sense as attempting to make an egg whole from an omlette because an egg is involved.  It's done.  

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:58 | 3211610 Karlus
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I agree. Moms was trained as a teacher. Time to put that to work for the newborn

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:40 | 3211685 CPL
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Everyone's kids are better for it and healthier for it.  Ever heard of the grandma that starved her grandchildren outside of the very rare media notation.  Or the grandpa that doesn't have something for kids to do, fun or not.  I haven't either.  There are some good things that come out of a shitty situation.  This is one of those things that once gained back will not be lost for so little next time around.

It's just going to be a bumpy assed ride for those that manage to stay standing.  So having walking living libraries of the past isn't such a bad thing.  It why any good project I've worked has a stateman/woman, they aren't leader but they have veto.  

My parents generation turned my grandparents into products, my children's grandparents will be transitioned to become grandparents again, either by choice or means.  Old looking after young, young looking after old in time.  Family becomes balanced again.

We can all see this now in the wicked jump in homecare, with legal concessions and tax schemes.  As if a legal ruling and a tax break would have changed the outcome, it's the principal reason for this undirected mess now that is just as dangerous for it's architects as for the users.  

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 09:59 | 3212937 Widowmaker
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The meat you are lookng for is already cooked and eaten, along with the young and old alike - monetized.

Without a critical facet of enlightenment (of any sort) the "family" doesn't exist.  Without the family the community doesn't exist.

Both are decimated by the manipulation of money and self worth, government is the catalyst and the boot.  Lanny Breuer lets Fraud Street off the hook for crippling the world and yet it's the pot-head trying to open a small business that has the government boots take everything he has.  Justice?  Dead.  Privacy?  None.  Taxes?  Up.  Savings?  Punished.  All symptoms of enlightenment revoked by government.

Take a look anywhere you like that is poor, do you see strong families or despairation and decay of your "family-values?"   If you are honest with yourself you will see rot and decay are pervasive, just as much as enlightenment absent.

Nanny fuckup goverment and fraud capitalizm-jism (both exported by the the 1% Inc.) will assure that grandma and grandpa see their offspring as little as possible. Symptoms the boomers welcomed such as two-working parents until they die, the "retirement" pipe dream, etc meant to assure a good life is unachievable by the vast majority, etc.

Family "balance" competes with government-assured "unbalance."  Fraud money is the rod and guarantee.

The "family," absent government, is an illusion and nothing close to what you are saying will actually occur without total collapse of broken governement and money.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:40 | 3210838 q99x2
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And as the backlash begins to lash back the slash and burn strategy of the banksters will increase: first because more of it comes to light, second because they will try to escape the sinking ship with as much loot as possible.

They are losing now and we should see this increase at a faster rate until a bang. Then everyone including the banksters will know that things have changed.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:49 | 3210839 Whiteshadowmovement
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Have you guys noticed how often times an article is presented with nothing but a "by Tyler Durden" on the homepage but then when you click through to the actual article it turns out it was a "guest post"

Its surprising the Tylers would go out of their way to lend their own credibility to some of the fringe "articles".

This one reads exactly like a long rant posted by some ZH'er on one of the forums here with lots of outraged CAPITALIZED letters

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:02 | 3210869 otto skorzeny
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then don't read it

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:15 | 3210907 Whiteshadowmovement
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Fair enough, but the point here is that in a cerain way, the Tylers are tricking me into clicking on it by feigning authorship

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:43 | 3211112 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Whiteshadowmovement said:

Fair enough, but the point here is that in a cerain way, the Tylers are tricking me into clicking on it by feigning authorship

Big deal. So you've irretrievably lost two seconds of your life by clicking on it to see that it is a guest post. Life must be pretty good if that's the magnitude of the difficulties you face. (Incidentally, those two seconds can't be all that valuable to you, as you've sunk more time than that into posting about it.)

ZH provides a free smorgasbord of information that you won't find elsewhere, and you're going to begrudge them a fraction of a cent of ad revenue? Small potatoes, Bubba, small potatoes.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:31 | 3211384 Totentänzerlied
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If ZH is anything like most other small multi-contributor blogs, the "editors" post nearly everything under a single CMS account, regardless of who wrote it, because they don't want to give anyone else publishing rights within the CMS, probably for security and simplicity.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:38 | 3211683 Whiteshadowmovement
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Thanks for your comment, it was probably the only sane response here. I understand what you mean, but all Im suggesting is that often times, it is very clear what is a "guest post" and whats written right by the tylers (like I said, Mark Grants guest posts every other day are easily differentiated).. Yet every once in a while, one the homepage you will see an article not really marked one way or the other, with just a "submitted by Tyler Durden". As we all know, I think most ZH readers are more likely to give articles penned directly by the Tylers more clicks than others by guests. So as much as Im grateful for ZH, I for one would be even more humbly grateful if they could make clear which articles are written by whom on the front page. I really dont see whats so outlandish about that suggestion.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:26 | 3211898 NidStyles
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Then quit reading the articles. What will it take for to grasp that concept?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:32 | 3210939 Obama4Ever
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ZH: Love it or leave it. The echo chamber must not be disturbed.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:35 | 3210953 Whiteshadowmovement
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Lol +1

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:57 | 3211020 Terminus C
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Sometimes guest posts are listed, sometimes not.  I find on the weekends you get this more as there are no "Tylers" writing that much on the weekend, especially Sunday.  As others said... don't like, don't read.  No one is making you read the posts.

As for the echo chamber comment, sometimes it does feel like an echo chamber but in reality... what else is there to say?  This whole shit show is so fucked up beyond all recognition and it gets hard to see anything else.  I, for one, attempt to keep an open mind to all commentary until someone 'proves' themselves to be a troll.  Hell, I even occasionally find myself agreeing with Ananonomous (in his temporary lucidity of random blobbing up American citizenism).

This clusterfuck we call an world economic system is going to go supernova at some point in the 'near TM' future.  we are all here just waiting for the real pain to begin.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:08 | 3211041 Whiteshadowmovement
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Good comment and as I said, fair enough, but isnt there room for a litle truth in advertising on here. The bottom line is that if they had made it clear whose article this was as they often do with guest posts (mark grants articles are never confusing that way), I could have saved my time in clicking on it. I think we might all agree that we give a little more preference to article penned directly by the tylers. And as you correctly pointed out, its not that guest posts are all worthless, many of them are great reads, Im just the kinda guy that likes to know what hes clickong on ya know?

Also youre right, i wouldnt have had this lovely exchange with all these closed minded thumbs down had i missed the opportunity!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:56 | 3211455 Anusocracy
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If you were a paying customer you could demand truth in advertising.

Since you are not, keep it to yourself.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:11 | 3211184 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Terminus C said:

I, for one, attempt to keep an open mind to all commentary until someone 'proves' themselves to be a troll.  Hell, I even occasionally find myself agreeing with Ananonomous (in his temporary lucidity of random blobbing up American citizenism).

Although AnAnonymous was far more coherent, sensible, and, infrequently, humorous back in 2010 than he is now, he'll still make the occasional insightful comment, for which I'll gladly give him a green arrow.

I'm still not entirely sure that he's a troll. He may just be someone with a different, and at times bizarre, perspective. Is he a kook? Probably, but at least he's original, which is more than I can say for Max Fischer/Kantbelieveit.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:11 | 3211047 gould's fisker
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How fucking stupid are the both of you--Tyler is tricking you into clicking on links on a site that you're obviously trolling to tell its inhabitants that they are slack jawed neanherthals, right?  What has you so upset about the site--it's not like this is one site out of ten on the net, it's one out of billions.  So what's the problem--have to bop around to sites that disagree with your world outlook. How stimulating. Go back home ot momma and fuck yourselves.  Yours, Slackjaw

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:22 | 3211067 Whiteshadowmovement
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Well Slackjaw, Ive never even thought about having the time to troll online, anywhere. It does amaze me though that to many of you ZH is a religion. To me its just the best market info anywhere, period. With some good and some not so good articles on the side.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:06 | 3211480 Anusocracy
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It is not a religion.

There are those that worship the government boot heel on their necks, and those that don't.

Is that too difficult to understand?

For all you government lovers: 400,000,000 people killed by government in the 20th century.

Your insane desire to control others comes at a very steep price.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:13 | 3211639 Whiteshadowmovement
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Bro, you know what would really help you- smoke a joint once in a while

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:30 | 3211904 NidStyles
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Yeah, let's just get high and forget what is going on... That will just make everything better and fix it all man...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:08 | 3211977 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Whiteshadowbowelmovement said:

Bro, you know what would really help you- smoke a joint once in a while

Take your own advice, Bubba. Maybe if you sparked up a doob before reading ZH, you wouldn't get so butthurt about wasting two seconds of your life clicking on a link to a guest post that you spend half the day posting a dozen comments about it.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:41 | 3212025 Whiteshadowmovement
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Haha, listen it just grew out of something to do on my ipad a long car trip. Its just something ive often thought of while being a reader here and as I started posting recently I wanted to bring it up to see if anyone else had noticed/wondered about how there sometimes is/sometimes isnt a distinction betweem Tyler articles and republished ones. This article I found was really poorly written (imho) and so I thought a good point to bring it up. To be be honest I didnt even expect anyone to actually reply. So it really surprised me to see such a level of rejection and opprobrium among the audience at the very idea of even marking out Tyler authored articles from others. There is almost a sort of cult undercurrent here that I wasnt aware of in the form of: "how dare you ever profane what is published here?!"

In any case, lets all smoke a doob and enjoy life (im just saying that to piss some of you off but I do mean it!)

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:52 | 3211821 Whiteshadowmovement
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You know what I often wonder sometimes? How do the Tylers decide whether to place an article that didnt originate with p them (such as this one) on the body section of the homepage versus the 3 articles at the top the screen, which are always clearly sourced from other contributors. I wonder what the criteria is for that distinction?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:30 | 3211905 NidStyles
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Who cares, it's their site.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:30 | 3211234 css1971
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It's pretty clear up at the top:

From Bill Buckler, author of The Privateer

And I'm pretty sure that everything is "submitted by Tyler Durden".

Don't see the issue. You can even give individual articles different ratings.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:35 | 3211785 Whiteshadowmovement
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Right, but the point is you dont know its from Bll Buckler until *after* you click it.

And as Ive said a couple of times now, in many case thr Tylers DO make clear its a guest post.

See this:

It was sourced and written by the Tylers.

See the page were on, its just someone elses article the Tylers republished.

Doesnt anyone care to know the difference beforehand?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:32 | 3211911 NidStyles
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No, because Appeal to Authority fallacies should not be enforced like you are asking us to. Only the content and message matter.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:41 | 3210840 Kantbelieveit
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One wonders where Mr. Buckler lives. Perhaps it is on a privateer vessel that raids commerce, free of any government interference. His letter of marque is persumably granted by the God of Market Freedom. How simple to denounce all government and how utterly fatuous. Ever since the invention of agriculture, people have been trying to figure out how to live decently without being abused by others. Many solutions have been attempted: utopian communes; extended polygamous tribes; rigidly hierarchical societies; contending city-states; democracies; dictatorships; plutocracies; and theocracies. What they all have in common is everyone agrees on the rules, and a GOVERNMENT enforces them.

Now comes the FREE MARKET GOD, and his numerous apostles on ZH. This god promises us that once we remove government, the market will protect us from each other through the self-restraint of rational actors, who would never dream of harming each other to secure personal advantage. The fact that this "philosophy" contradicts 10,000 years of historical experience is no hindrance to the ferociously ignorant devotees of the MARKET GOD. Their magical thinking knows no bounds.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:58 | 3210859 francis_sawyer
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With your fascinating insights & perspectives, I implore you to colonize Pluto where you can start your utopian "government controlled" society...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:06 | 3210882 otto skorzeny
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he'd rather do it on Uranus

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:09 | 3210887 Kantbelieveit
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Francis-sawyer, please educate me in the simple practice of tearing down the US government. Tell me which agencies should be abolished. Which consumer protection should be removed? My ignorance of the obvious evils of our central government should be easily corrected. Surely, there are better models for regulating our society. The Flintstones cartoons seem a plausible alternative. Fred and Wilma seemed very happy without the FCC and the IRS. Please explain how we can eliminate all this nasty interference with our lives.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:31 | 3210912 francis_sawyer
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It's a ridiculous question...


NoBODY, or noTHING is going to tear down the US Government... It'll simply crumble to pieces on its own [it'll do so because nobody BELIEVES in it anymore ~ which usually happens when the 'free shit' stops coming]... Then, one day, the "VANDALS 2" will just waltz right in to the District of Columbia with their goats [assuming it's not underwater]... What USED to be a "society" will have long dispersed & will already be actively engaged [in varying ways], in coagulating the next round of fun & games...

It may not be as easy as it was back in the DARK AGES though... At least they didn't have to worry about dealing wth radioactive waste... That's going to be a bitch in a crumbling society...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:02 | 3211031 Terminus C
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but at least we'll be warm while we mutate...

In truth the number of nuclear power generators and nuclear missiles that will be left to 'rot' is what truly concerns me about the coming implosion.  Hell, we haven't even fully imploded yet and Fukushima has already shit its radioactive death knell across the world.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:57 | 3211273 Kantbelieveit
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Oh ho! You aren't opposed to civilization; you're just opposed to our civilization. It is so irredeemably rotten that it must be utterly destroyed and displaced by a DARK AGE. This will be hard on your football viewing. Isn't it time for you to go back to Wal-Mart for more ammunition?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:34 | 3211396 Totentänzerlied
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"you're just opposed to our civilization"

Yes, because he's been paying attention.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:15 | 3211497 Anusocracy
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The DARK AGE is government. It has been around for 10,000 years or so. Four hundred million killed by government in 20th century. That is the dark age.

Increased freedom from government was a product of the Enlightenment.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3210925 nightshiftsucks
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So Kantbelieveit,when do circus clowns become intereseted in posting on financial sites ?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:47 | 3211262 Kantbelieveit
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The clowns with Mad Max apocalyptic costumes seem to love ZH. Life is so much easier when you are scrounging in refuse bins and the strategic planning horizon is your next meal. No more IRS forms; no more learning how to use your phone; no more waiting in line for anything. What could be better than the collapse of all institutions and and simple bestial existence?

Samuel Johnson said it best:

"He who makes himself a beast avoids the pain of being a man"


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:24 | 3211521 Anusocracy
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Man appears to be the missing link between anthropoid apes and human beings.

- Konrad Lorenz


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:57 | 3211605 chubbyjjfong
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"Man appears to be the missing link between anthropoid apes and human beings."


Ben Bernanke is evidence of this whereby a clown has run away from the circus to join the human race.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:28 | 3210929 A Middle Child ...
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Abolish all of them. Every last one. And then continue to do so at least once a generation to uproot what government has sprung up like weeds in the interim. Believe it or not, there was a time before all those agencies when somehow, humans managed to survive. I would prefer to take my chances deciding what to stick in my own body instead of being compelled or prevented from same by a tyrannical FDA. I would prefer to decide what if any tax to pay and what amount of government if any, to support with the fruits of my labors. Government wants to buy an aircraft carrier? Let them do it by subscription if the citizens deem it worthy. Same for any other function of government which you deem it necessary. Point being, it is by choice and consent of the governed instead of the tyranny of the majority and kleptocracy which presently rules us.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:46 | 3210989 Karlus
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The biggest issue is local vs federal power. The govt should regulate very little like army and perhaps the interchange of highways between states (make sure they work). Perhaps some R&D around space exploration, but sending someone to Mars does not really make sense from a P&L point of view.


Most power should reside with the states or local munis. It keeps everyone honest. Dont like the taxes or laws in your state, move to one that supports your views. Right now, with most power residing with Uncle Sam, there is no choice, no competition.


Private industry is more efficient than govt in almost every case. Yes, this includes things like the fire dept. We already see how inefficient the postal service is.


Federal taxes should literally be in the single digits. That does not support the welfare nation, but I would bet that we are paying a lot more people than we should compared to historical.


Drop the Federal taxes to single digits and you will instantly solve your unemployment problem.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:35 | 3211400 Totentänzerlied
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Though it's a straw-man, I will simply say that the federal government got on for over 100 years with no income tax, as have many other governments in history.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:56 | 3211303 Kantbelieveit
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I think putting every government expenditure up to a vote of the citizenry is the most stupid thing ever uttered on ZH. Congratulations, you were up against tough competition. Taking your own chances with Thalidomide would have been lots of fun for your family, and let's not talk about airline safety or consumer appliances. Airbags? Seatbelts? Totally unnecessary. Auto inspections? Government tyranny!

If you are weak, or poor, or stupid, you deserve to be crippled or killed, right? That's the jungle law you call "freedom."

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:36 | 3211403 Totentänzerlied
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You just looted a strawman factory and had to unload the stolen wares here.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:56 | 3211598 Anusocracy
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Your confirmation bias is in top gear. Thalidomide's effect was on PREGNANT WOMEN, not the general public. It was a giant trojan horse in drug regulation for the FDA.

Speaking of the FDA, how about the hundreds of thousands that died because the FDA stonewalled approving European developed beta-blockers?

Or why was metformin, the best safest antidiabetic drug, introduced in England in 1958, Canada in 1972, and the US in 1995? THIRTY SEVEN YEARS AFTER ENGLAND??? What was the consequence of that? A bunch of peons got to suffer more and die earlier?

Having seatbelts truly is justification for the government killing of four hundred million people.

You're an absolute fucking idiot.




Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:33 | 3211913 Kantbelieveit
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He shoots another anecdote! He scores! Welcome to the school of anecdotal policy! Find a compelling story and upturn all other evidence in one blast of raw emotion. Think of how this could change the world! One screw-up story and you can blow away an entire Federal agency - behold the power of selective outrage. News flash: the plural of anecdote is not data.

If the ZH operators had the balls to run a set of polls, they would be shamed by the overwhelming votes by Randian and nihilist crazies to shut down most Federal regulatory functions. With the government handcufffed, presumably the corporations would be compelled to behave by Chuck Norris and vigilante car bombers. Oh what a paradise it would be!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:53 | 3222091 Anusocracy
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I take it that death by FDA rules is okay with you.

So hurry up and die from one.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:32 | 3210940 resurger
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Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:09 | 3210889 Sockeye
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    10So Samuel spoke all the words of the LORD to the people who had asked of him a king.11He said, “This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots.12“He will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.13“He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.14“He will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves and give them to his servants.15“He will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards and give to his officers and to his servants.16“He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys and use them for his work.17“He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants.18“Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:32 | 3210938 sschu
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It is amazing how prophetic and insightful the Word is if we would just take the time to listen and read.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:24 | 3210917 indygo55
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"everyone agrees on the rules, and a GOVERNMENT enforces them."

The rules are specified in the constitution and the President swore to uphold them. He has not and neither does anyone else who is "in on it."

"never dream of harming each other,,,"

Another slanted statement accusing each other as the culpret. Its the power elite that is screwing everyone, not "each other". 

Pure propaganda from a shill on this site.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:44 | 3211426 Totentänzerlied
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No, the "elite" create a system which enocurages everyone to screw each other. That system is called government - I ask the government to rob you, you ask the government to rob me. These days we call it democracy.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:24 | 3210918 Room 101
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Kantbelieveit is joining us again from his cubicle in Crystal City.  Oh goody.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:11 | 3211335 Kantbelieveit
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I am writing from a desk in the most heavily taxed county in New York State. I am surrounded by roving bands of marauders who randomly raid the boarded up hovels of Westchester County, a bleak and desolate region crushed under the enormous burden of cumulative town, county, state, and federal taxation. Why the Clintons chose to live in this Hellish place I will never understand - probably to pretend that tax and spend is a sustainable policy.

As I ride the train into Manhattan, I marvel at the stupidity of running a railroad subsidized by taxpayers in this day of the private automobile. I stare at the jagged skyline and marvel how this failed city can possibly keep its elevators and lights running. Walking through Times Square, I am baffled by the deluded tourists who believe that a large city is worth visiting, and who will actually spend hundreds of dollars to watch human actors on a stage.

New York City and its suburbs are conclusive proof that our civilization is worthless. High taxes and regulation have brought ruin to what could once have been a peaceful and prosperous farming community.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:39 | 3211921 NidStyles
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Oh look he has jokes too.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:49 | 3211134 Anusocracy
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"Ever since the invention of agriculture, people have been trying to figure out how to live decently without being abused by others. Many solutions have been attempted...  "

Well, you forgot 9th to 12th century Iceland. All the solutions you listed were based on the wiring of the alpha-male social hierarchy: a gift from the pre-agricultural past. Your type are hard wired to form mobs that kill, steal, and destroy as part of their survival strategy. Nothing will change until all who put the mob above the individual die off and that isn't likely to happen because killing, stealing, and destroying are STILL successful survival strategies. So what you are asking is to get rid of the downsides while keeping the structure that causes the downsides. Maybe you should rethink that.

"What they all have in common is everyone agrees on the rules, and a GOVERNMENT enforces them."

Which is why they fail over and over, time after time. The consequences of not being able to think out of the box. Today's failed solutions enacted tomorrow will produce the day after tomorrow's failed solutions.

Your desire to bend people to your will is no different than that of a common thief or murderer, except that your government amplifies your desire a millionfold.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:51 | 3211140 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Kantbelieveit said:

One wonders where Mr. Buckler lives. Perhaps it is on a privateer vessel that raids commerce, free of any government interference.

I see Max Fischer, douchebaguette extraordinaire, has returned.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:59 | 3211613 Anusocracy
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Was that the thirteen year-old that was missing both hemispheres of his brain?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:34 | 3212010 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Was that the thirteen year-old that was missing both hemispheres of his brain?

That sounds more like Johnny "only five bucks to dig it out of the ground" Bravo.

Max Fischer is a petulant pansy suffering from an abnormality, induced by head trauma, that resulted in the part of the brain responsible for narcissism and arrogance growing to occupy nearly the entire cranial cavity. Of course, this resulted in the atrophy and withering of the parts of the brain responsible for reasoning and thought.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 01:45 | 3212619 delacroix
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civis mundi bitchez

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:45 | 3210843 fonzannoon
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Good read. Funny a 40k job is the new "who wants to be a millionaire".

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:03 | 3210871 Kantbelieveit
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Modern America's greatest manufacturing triumph is the mass production of LOSERS. This is the ultimate term of scorn in our great nation: LOSER. If you think there are lots of losers around now, just wait a few more years when the toxic combination of jungle capitalism and job automation makes even minimum wage work hard to find.

The people who would like to add the words "Fuck you, I'm secure" to the national anthem will not be pleased when they join the LOSER set. When rank after rank of high-paid bureaucrats and marketers is mowed down by asian outsourcing and/or AI software, they will get their fair share of the LOSER experience.

Unfettered Capitalism treats people like commodities. Once they lose value, they are to be discarded. Wait until you are discarded to find out what a glorious system this is. Nothing could be further removed from Christianity, and nothing is more devoutly worshipped on ZH.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:10 | 3210891 otto skorzeny
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you are a serious fucking jackwad

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:28 | 3211377 Kantbelieveit
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Hi, Otto. Nice work freeing Il Duce. You SS guys got a lot of bad publicity, but you were one of their most famous men.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:36 | 3210931 Muppet Pimp
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You are misguided.  Capatilism only works for all when the lions share of the actors have a core set of values, which are best exemplified by the worlds great religions.  So yes, once the people have succumbed to the filth spewed forth from Hollywood (which is squarely aimed at the corruption of our nations youth) and act in masse like barnyard animals, capitalism does not work so well. The success of the capitalist system is indisputable.  Why do you surmise it is not working as well anymore (think hard)?  2 Primary drivers imo: loss of values in the west and chinas short circuiting of the world trade system (artifically low currency, cooked books as a normal course of business, cronyism, slave labor, heavy state involvement).  We will see the logical conclusion of these things in due time.

That is where people like Obama come in (Mr. 'You didn't build that', Mr. 'only bad people cling to guns and religion', Mr. 'Lets get Revenge on the productive class', Mr. 'we shall despise the very people who provide jobs and prosperity').  We are at the end game of what began in 1963.  The communist manifesto, corrupt the people to the point they lose sight of what is important and send in "Their Saviour" (as Jamie Foxx exemplified by taking the bait hook line and sinker).

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:30 | 3210934 nightshiftsucks
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Come to work with me Kunt,then we will see who the loser is.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:39 | 3210963 gould's fisker
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Kant believe it--your first comment seemed to say that government is the solution, but your second comment here says that evil capitalism is going to make "losers" of us all.  If government is THE one and all-powerful solution, how is this outcome possible?  Simple question.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:33 | 3211390 Kantbelieveit
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In school, I learned that the US has a MIXED ECONOMY, in which a free market system is regulated by a strong central government. This has worked pretty well, despite a remarkably persistent mean streak in the general population. Ever since Reagan, the balance between business and government power has shifted steadily towared business. Because corporations have no morals and no commitment to the public good, I expect the loser population to grow steadily. The anti-government fever on ZH is just more evidence of that unfortunate trend.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:47 | 3211937 NidStyles
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What you mean to say is that in school you were programmed to believe a lie.


Capitalism doesn't exist without Capital formations, and in the false idealism of mixed economy, Capital formations do not occur, because taxation and regulation prevent them. Add in the Fiat currency and all you have are less in debt people followed around by more in debt people.


Your school indoctrinated you well, as that is what it was meant for.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 23:06 | 3212353 Kantbelieveit
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So IBM, Intel, Microsoft, and Facebook were capitalized without capital formation? That's really amazing! How did they do it?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:53 | 3211007 Karlus
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You sound like Obama talking about airport kiosks and ATMs taking jobs. Why would we ship jobs overseas when we can automate (and keep our wealth) here?

Yeah, having a 9 yr old kid make my Nikes are cool, but you have to grow and feed a 9 yr old kid, and they tend to not last too long. I understand that there are plenty of them, but having a machine work day and night with no sleep is much more efficient.

With the wealth that creates here we have here, it frees our populace to pursure jobs higher up the food chain (like R&D).


1) Is it efficient to ship finished products half way around the world?

2) All of these big cities China is building and India are building should be here. Detroit is going backwards. The only real growth here is in DC and Texas.

3) Even low information people in the US can contribute to innovation. Not as designers or researchers, but support for them.

4) Finally, quit with all the welfare. We are looking at an immigration policy while we have millions here not working on the dole. WTF are we letting people like that in when we are paying people to vote D and hang out on their Obama-fones?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:15 | 3211048 JR
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Do not make the mistake that the socialists make by blaming capitalism for what the central planners do. Put the blame where it originates, with a central bank and a government  over-expanding credit to ignite or keep going a "full employment" boom, or as Hazlitt put it, "that periodic oscillation of boom and bust that socialists and communists attribute, not to the monetary and credit system and central banking, but to some inherent tendency in the capitalist system itself."

The U.S.and the world are "adrift in the turbulent seas of paper money" and fraud that caused these malinvestments that collapsed the economy and greatly increased America's (and the EU's) unemployment, along with as you say, outsourcing. Outsourcing is not capitalistic. It's monopoly. Outsourcing is actually anti-competitive. It's brought in to stop competition and to break the knees of American workers and their advancements in wages and standard of living.

Americans pay for this system through their taxation, through their military service, through their constant required support of civil government. It is American citizens, the payers, who have to shoulder the responsibilities and carry this system on their backs. The central planners, working with the multinational corportions, have no allegiance to a nation. Their goal is to reduce competition for the big players, the Microsofts, the Googles, the GEs, Big Pharma, and the financial sector and exploit the worker. This is the group that stole respresentative government, that bought a Congress that allowed them to steal the envy of the world, the US manufacturing base and its patents, out from underneath America's workforce and to transfer it to low wage labor on Third World planatations for the sole profit of the oligarchs.

This is America's biggest enemy. Socialism! World Socialism!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:55 | 3211289 falak pema
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socialism is to the "good" american what the devil is to the Godly. We all need to aim at the bogey man. It makes life so easy; and we never look behind the  reality of our own prejudices. 

If Rockafella is a socialist, then the pope is a satanist as preached by the enlightenment. Which basically means the TWO POLITICAL systems (and both church and capitalism ARE political), eat their own tails IN PRACTICE  and need to be junked. As their whole conceptual base is all mixed up. They don't contribute to enlightenment in fact and in institutional life. They contribute in their current form to the opposite.

THe romans alike the greeks decided that Tarquin (despot)  and Republic (democracy/senatorial oligarchy) were incompatible. You either believed in one or the other. We know how that ended for Greece (Alex) and Rome (Caesar). 

When Napoleon said he was both emperor and republican that was the end of the french republic. We are still in that conundrum in France: our president is Tarquin, absolutist power AND head of republic, as he can be thrown out every five years. 

Only problem : now BOTH candidates are total Oligarchs behind the curtain, as they know thats what being president is about; and they forget the rest : what republic really means. The system has now eaten the republic by creating this contradiction at the very top; where it counts most, as they say : the fish rots from the head down. What is true for socialistic France is true for Capitalisiic USA; same disease.

The whole western structure is now losing its sense of values; and your assimilation of Rockafella as the ultimate socialist is a very good example of that. Rockafella and his ilk is Capitalism IN PRACTICE.

I never junk historical reality to promote text book theory. The fact that THOSE capitalists have gone statist was predicted by their greatest critic : Karl Marx; he predicted what is happening today; to the dot. 

Now there is the irony, the man who sought socialism of the people also predicted the dicatatorship of capitalism via oligarchs, in name of all powerful market forces which are monopolisitically controlled and centrally run; thus socialistically manipulated to profit an elite; just like dictatorship of old. 

BAck to square ONE in Western lands! Both Socialism and Capitalism in practice lead to same dichotomy!

Houston, we have a problem.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:01 | 3211963 NidStyles
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Marx only understood what Adam Smith was advocating, while the rest of the morons bought into Adam Smith's idealistic irrationality. 


Rothbard talked about this to great length, and if you go back and read into the people that Marx admired, it's obvious to everyone else what was going on. Smith advocated Absolutism, and even stated that it possibly to have both Capitalism and the Absolute power of the State, if the State controlled the Capital that was flowing around the region occupied by the State.

Smith essentially created a new form of economics that spurred Socialism and the so-called "Atheist" Communism. In reality it was just a mash of "Political-Economy" that was lauded by the Pysiocrats and the Statists before him. "Politicial-Economy" being that merely by which through Political means the State can get away with it's depravations against it's citizenry.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:41 | 3211254 vintageyz
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Kant, you actually make some lucid comments in the aspects of job automation, outsourcing, and bureaucrats.  However, there is no reason to come into the party and promptly start pissing on the participants.  ZH puts out a number of realities that virtually no other financial medium covers.  Individuals can take it from there.  Or, we can be just like the skeet puller for Obama, for god only knows what else he is aiming at but the peasants. 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:14 | 3211493 Kantbelieveit
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Since when is it a social norm that Internet discussion threads are supposed to respect lunacy and pernicious nonsense? The whole point of discourse is to make people more enlightened, not to reinforce prejudices. If the business model of ZH is to medicate doomers and Randians with a steady dosage of voodoo economics, then this place needs all the rational contributors that can be found.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:53 | 3211593 shovelhead
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Since when is it a social norm that Internet discussion threads are supposed to respect lunacy and pernicious nonsense?


Well, we try to respect you but you make it difficult at best.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:05 | 3211968 NidStyles
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You give no credence to over 2000 years of economic theory, but expect us to give credence to your state loving and tyrannt supporting idealism?


I think I will just stick to what I know to be true, rather than falling for your constant cognitive dissonance.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 23:10 | 3212362 Kantbelieveit
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Reality check, folks. There are people on these threads who advocate armed rebellion against the government, the abolition of all government regulation, and free-fire jungle capitalism. These ideas are so freaking crazy that they would stop conversation at the average dinner table. Yet it is considered rude and discourteous here to point out that the Federal government is not a diabolical monster and that corporations cannot be trusted to act in the public interest without regulation?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:14 | 3210903 Whiteshadowmovement
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But fonz....$40k! Thats a lotta scratch!

Its all about perspective, hasnt The Bernank taught you anything? You just have to fake it till you make it!

In fact, I think here I can finally say our generation-y has finally made one indisputable contribution to modern culture: the $30k millionaire.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this term, it describes the dominant form of financial planning among my generation. It means you are in your 20's and earn around $30k in some service economy job with no hope of promotion or gaining skills. Youre making $30k forever probably. BUT youve figured out that because you're young and have no kids or responsibilities, that $30k is kinda a lot of money when you think about it. Why if you take that $2500 per month, and divide that by 4 weeknds at the club, then thats over $625 per weekend. Ok, ok, you need a little money for new rims, so it maybe comes down to $500 per club weekend, but thats still enough to look like a VIP for a few hours of bottle service! As the answer to food and housing, the answer is "mom/microwaveable" and "basement/crappy apartment with roomates"

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:47 | 3210845 Inthemix96
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Slightly off topic but an idea of why we are, where we are.

Todays BBC 1 "Andrew Marr" show, (influential political show on a sunday morning), gave twenty minutes out an hour show time to the most hated man in Britain.  To say tony B.liar is the most hated man here is an understatement.  Its costs us the tax payers millions of pounds a year to KEEP this war criminal alive, wherever he goes in Britain he is universally abused by the populace, but still, the propagandised and publicly funded BBC gives this despicable waste of a human body air time, they have so far lost touch with what the electorate think, that bringing out this air thief will persuade us his opinion should be our opinion.

They are in terminal decline, they know this and doing whatever they can to keep this show on the road.  And it wont work, the time will come for the likes of B.Liar to pay for his past crimes.  Same here as it is there, these people are clutching at straws, and doing everything they can to preserve the un-preservable.

The only thing standing between the criminals and justice, is time, and this time we know the facts from the fiction.  And on that note B.Liar you fucking piece of shit, I do hope you meet me someday, you will fucking regret it you cunt.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:05 | 3210873 LeisureSmith
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Good rant. People like Blair should be forcibly face-tattooed with their crimes and humiliated in public (Think Whipping post )for the rest of their days. Prison is way to cozy. Fuck you Tony!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:10 | 3210892 Inthemix96
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B.Liar though needs only one thing, his security detail to be stopped, period, then lets see what happens to cunts that destroy a nation through lies and deciept, all for more green.

The man wouldnt last a day, he would be torn apart, and I hope it happens.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:20 | 3210913 LeisureSmith
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A let nature take it's course kind of thing, i like it. I would hop on a plane to see him in one these though Just to fling some flem in his general direction.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:23 | 3210916 Inthemix96
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I mentioned this the other day, but give this fucker to me, I would peel this cunt alive mate, and smile all the way through it.  Hate is a strong word but my fucking god I hate this bastard with every fibre of my body.

He has so many innocent lives on his hands, I seriously dont know how this cunt sleeps.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:14 | 3211050 Terminus C
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I think Blair's bum buddy, GWB is junking you...

I don't know what will happen but the anger amongst the plebs is rising and shit is only getting uglier.  We live in interesting times.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 14:15 | 3211201 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Inthemix96 said:

I mentioned this the other day, but give this fucker to me, I would peel this cunt alive mate, and smile all the way through it.

...with a blunted potato peeler.

That's an instant classic, mate.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:00 | 3211618 shovelhead
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When Britain institutes Sharia Law, I think they'll have an app for that.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:07 | 3210883 smacker
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Well said my friend. I am one of those who believes that the world would be a far better place if Blair was eliminated. Followed by his vile verminous old friend Gordon "Jonah" Brown and quite a few others.

Hell, I'm on the way to producing a 'hit-list'. Shall I continue? ;-)

Blair or one his sycophantic followers once said "a VIP's importance on the world stage is measured by how many security guards surround him". Blair negotiated quite a lot when he left office, including two vehicles full of them whenever he's in the UK. All taxpayer funded of course.

And you can bet that if/when he becomes the first unelected President of The United States of Europe, he will be untouchable. He will even have his own private plane 'Blair One'.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:12 | 3210896 Inthemix96
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My opinion as well  mate,

I hope I live to see the day this cunt is torn limb from limb.

He deserves nothing less, and so does that despicable thing he calls a wife.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:10 | 3210893 Tom_333
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Why did you away with capital punishment.

The UK is becoming soooo... PC it hurts.Eoow.Yuck.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:14 | 3210905 Inthemix96
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Speaking of PC,

A bloke has been fined here for having a tab in his own van.  £200 quid fine for smoking in a vehichle he owns and no one else goes in, because it is "Against The Law".

I cannot wait to see these little hitlers hanging from lamposts.  Will be a sweet day indeed.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:52 | 3211441 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Lock the smarmy scumbags into a van and duct assloads of tobacco smoke into it. For kicks, mix some Jimsonweed with the tobacco.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:54 | 3210857 smacker
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"Once a government becomes involved in “running” an economy, it invariably ends up running it into the ground. The only variables in this process are how long it takes and how prostrate a given economy becomes by the end of it. Because it always ends - sooner or later. Rational economic theory provides abundant proof of WHY this is the case. Economic and political history is absolutely unanimous in their verdict that it always DOES take place. There is no escape from this truth, no matter how many people wish it were not so and how fervently they ignore the evidence of their eyes and their brains"


That is an absolutely true statement. However, we should not ignore the huge and growing numbers of people (some are simply ignorant of the damage that government does to anything it touches, but most are socialists or one of the heads of its evil hydra snake) who are True Believers and continue to argue that ever bigger government (ultimately totalitarian) is the solution to any and every problem that arises, whether it be economic, societal or anything else. The battle against creeping totalitarianism to continually re-assert freedom, liberty and open free market capitalism goes on.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:11 | 3211981 NidStyles
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You can not argue with a person that truly believe the end's justify the mean's. They can not reasonably understand or accept that they could be wrong at any point of time, because they willingly and knowingly have accepted that killing people and sometimes torturing others will be part of the means and have accepted that as part of the mean's to obtain the end's they desire.


The problem is not that those societies will never work.  The problem is that you can not convince people that do not care if they take lives to obtain that society.


Look at how Marx and Lenin wrote, they wrote that the end's were going to happen no matter what. So you have these ruthless Socialists and Psychopaths running around sneaking their way into everything believing this garbage. They demand everyone to be Empirical and demand results, but their ideology is to never be questioned.

What does a Liberty minded person do against that?


Mon, 02/04/2013 - 13:19 | 3213617 smacker
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All things being equal, unless socialism is outlawed as being a conspiratorial and destructive ideology, the only option left is to fight it tooth and nail at every opportunity wherever it raises is ugly head.

The problem nowadays is that the socialist disease is spreading and we see growing numbers of political elites around the world essentially behaving more like socialists, even though they belong to political parties which are ostensibly Right of centre. The US Rep Party and UK Tory Party are two examples. It may be that mankind has to suffer complete collapse before people wake up and demand limited government.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:56 | 3210860 TimmyB
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I love when people with no understanding of history write about it. The separation of church and state was not put in place to protect the people from government interference with their religious practices. Instead, it was to protect the government from being taken over by religion.

What many people here fail to realize is that government is a tool. No doubt it can be misused, However, we need to look behind the curtain at the players who control the government and misuse it. Simply stating that government is bad shows a lack of depth to one's thinking.

Concerning economic action, without government the largest economic action would be the theft of goods by those who could bring the most force. People organized into cities and built walls around those cities for a reason. This is what history teaches us. The Randian myth never existed in history. We may as well discuss how great it would be to live in the mythical Garden of Eden.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:10 | 3210890 francis_sawyer
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 "Instead, it was to protect the government from being taken over by religion."


What about groups affiliated with a religious sect [who like to operate from the shadows]?... Anybody say anything about that?... Somehow ~ that contingency was overlooked...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:35 | 3210952 gould's fisker
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Timmy, I'm not going to bop you with a charge of complete historical ignorance as you did in your own critique, but I'm afraid you don't know about this particular historical topic:  the importance of conscience in the emergence of religious freedom.  Beginning with the break-up of the Catholic Church--the Reformation--there was regular persecution of believers by all sides and all governments.  Conscience was increasingly important as the realization dawned that there was no one correct way to worship, and no one correct interpretation of the Bible.  Religious persecution including torture and death penalties was seen as increasingly unsuited to the realm of spiritual belief because the individual conscience should be given as much free reign as possible.  Modern religious freedom started with individual believers who rebelled against state control of religion--government did not ride to their rescue for much of this period, it was the perpetrator.  Look it up.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:09 | 3211632 shovelhead
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Ol' Hank 8 was perfectly happy to incinerate Protestants until he wanted to dump the old lady and grab a new squeeze.

It pays to be flexible.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:18 | 3211646 Bazza McKenzie
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Try reading the actual Constitution instead of what you imagine it to be.  Amendment 1 starts "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".  Got that.  "Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof (of religion)".  That is specifically to protect government from interfering with individual's religious belief and acting on those beliefs.

People frequently overlook the meaning of the words "establishment of religion".  The founders had broken away from Great Britain where the Church of England was the "established" church in that domain, with the monarch as head of the church.  They were however, Christians, as evidenced by their frequent references to God.

In particular you might note the concluding paragraph "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth".  They expressed the date in two forms, one being the years of the (then) independence of the United States of Ameria.  The other being the year of "our Lord", ie the Christian God.

The US Constitution is remarkable not just for the principles it stated but for the conciseness with which it was expressed.  They were not verbose.  Each word has meaning and import, so the reference to the year of "our Lord" was not casual.

Incidentally, while the Constitution expressly limits what the Federal Government may do in relation to religion, it imposes no such constraint on individual states.  Section 10 deals with "powers prohibited of states" and makes no mention of religion.  Subject to their own constitutions, the states were free to deal with religion as they chose.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 11:57 | 3210862 de3de8
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Problem is the train has left the station and is heading downgrade without brakes. Only question now is when it derails?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:00 | 3210864 maskone909
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sooooooo short japan JGBs? oh yes. just hope all that money i make will still have purchasing power because the same horrible inevitability is comming to USA. the question is how long. the worst case scenario is that japan will trigger our demise rapidly.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:03 | 3210875 Room 101
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More preaching to the already converted.  Here is some actionable information you can actually use to save a few FRNs:

How to make greek style yogurt. It won't cost you $6 FRN a quart anymore. And you won't even have to involve the ECB.

The thing to remember is that greek style yogurt is nothing but strained yogurt. Buy a quart of the cheap, plain yogurt at the store.  Whip up the yogurt with a spoon to liquefy it.  Put a coffee filter inside of a kitchen strainer and put it on top of a bowl to catch the whey drippings.  Pour yogurt in to the top of the coffee filter.  Put it in the fridge for about 2-4 hours to let the whey drip out.  What you have left is strained, greek style yogurt on the cheap.  One quart of cheap yogurt makes about 1/2 to 2/3 quart of strained depending on the fat content and how thick the yogurt was to start with.   




Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:13 | 3210899 francis_sawyer
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...then use the whey drippings as fertilizer in your garden... [simple add]

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:29 | 3210933 Room 101
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Good idea.  I hear you can also feed it to your chickens, or use it to make ice cubes for smoothies. 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:46 | 3210987 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ lot's of stuff... If you're a cheesemaker, you can also re-use whey to make 'Ricotta' cheese [ricotta basically means "re-cooked"]...


But you can use it for just about anything... If you want to bump up the protein when you cook rice, just mix some whey & water... I've even used it to catch mice...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3210926 JR
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Once you understand John D. Rockefeller Sr., you understand socialism. Monopoly is socialism. Industrial autarky for the government-connected is nothing more than a monopoly. William D. Grampp in New Directions in the Communist Economies noted in 1963 that monopoly had become such “a serious problem for many socialist economies that Yugoslavia, for example, [was] forced to adopt antitrust laws to deal with it.”

A Mistaken Idea | Henry Hazlitt (1947)

“There could hardly be a more perverse and mistaken idea than the idea that you can fight communism with socialism. So-called ‘gradual’ socialism is at best a halfway step toward communism. The economic ideals of socialism and communism are identical. Both believe in government ownership and operation of the means of production. Once this ownership and operation become sufficiently extensive, the government has economic life-and-death powers over the individual.

“It can say where he must take his job, what job he must take, or whether he can take a job at all. And once the government has this power, the liberty of the individual has in fact, if not in form, disappeared.

“As Alexander Hamilton pointed out in the Federalist Papers a century and a half ago, ‘a power over a man’s subsistence amounts to a power over his will.’ …

Under capitalism, in addition to the possibility of going into business for oneself, there are in the United States several million employers competing against each other for labor (1947). Their competition not only raises the wages but protects the liberties of the worker. His situation becomes incomparably worse when he must bow to the will and terms of a single employer, the State. The history of the spread of socialism is in fact a history of the disappearance of peace, representative institutions, limited government, and personal liberty.” –Hazlitt, Will Dollars Save the World? (1947)

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 12:53 | 3211010 Muppet Pimp
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The 'Golden Rule' has been replaced with moral relativism.  This is the problem.  Those who provide legitamacy to regimes hostile to their own people are a prime culprit.  "If we just ignore how evil these people are look how much filthy lucre we can make"

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:19 | 3211065 Terminus C
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The 'golden rule' has always been, and will always be, in place:

He who has the gold, makes the rules.

The golden rule to which you refer has only been a distraction for the plebs.  Marx was right about one thing... religion is the opiate for the masses.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:05 | 3211027 Miles Kendig
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In the economic realm, ANY threat or exercise of the use of force to hamper or prohibit the voluntary interaction of individuals is guaranteed to inhibit the functioning of the economy.

- Bill Buckler

Bill, you sure you're not running a major round trip-header stripping, robo signing or other activity as a sub-for-a-penny front runner at at a TBTF bank?

Unbridled human activity is anarchy in the pure, regardless of the purity of essence of the General Jack D. Ripper's who sling such foolery as law.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 15:33 | 3211394 Anusocracy
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Please put the confirmation bias version of your brain back in its box and get one that works.

What does 'voluntary interaction of individuals' have to do with 'Unbridled human activity'?

The only 'unbridled human activity' that exists is that of criminals in and out of government. They have no need for 'voluntary interaction' at all.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 18:06 | 3214453 Miles Kendig
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The only 'unbridled human activity' that exists is that of criminals in and out of government. They have no need for 'voluntary interaction' at all.

- Anusocracy

Define the differences between consensual and unconsensual and what defines "voluntary" in both pre and post interaction environments there champ.  People, criminal or not have an amazing ability to redefine consensuality over time as their understandings maturate.  Solve for this dynamic and I'll be more than happy to further develop what you term "confirmation bias" of the kite I fashioned.

Thanks for chasing the lure

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 13:25 | 3211071 falak pema
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Having made the case that governments bend the economy you could very easily in the current context make the case that the private sector is just as bad; as in 1929 and again in 2008, it was of their making. Government had opened all the doors to them in total laissez faire! 

Why this one sided demonstration of government hanky panky; in a context where the government today, post 2008, is NOT like FDR's that opposed the private Oligarchy, but is in cahoots with this oligarchy to beyond comprehension, as it was in the decade leading up to the financial collapse?

You gotta change your economic bible and your political lens. 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:30 | 3211534 Bazza McKenzie
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1929 and 2008 both caused by the Fed blowing a bubble(s) and then, post 1929, massive, ongoing, government interference in the economy.  The private sector just operates in whatever scope is left by the government, including exploiting cheap credit when the government (ie Fed) creates it.

You gotta change your economic bible and your political lens.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:52 | 3211588 Kantbelieveit
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Rubbish. No serious economic historian believes that the Great Depression was caused by monetary policy. The US had a long history of recessions and depressions prior to the creation of the Fed. A modern economy cannot operate without "Government Interference," because it involves public lands, airwaves, and laws.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3211678 Bazza McKenzie
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"No serious economic historian believes that the Great Depression was caused by monetary policy".

From Milton Friedman "what happened is that [the Federal Reserve] followed policies which led to a decline in the quantity of money by a third" and he then went on to explain the consequences in bank failures and economic destruction, including the comment "At all times, the Federal Reserve had the power and the knowledge to have stopped that".

Ben Bernanke, whom you may know holds himself out as a student of the Great Depression, publicly stated, as Chairman of the Fed " I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You’re right, we did it. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again."

Now I know many people may feel Bernanke does not rank as a "serious economic historian", but claiming that Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz were not is ridiculous.
Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3211679 shovelhead
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Doubling the money supply had absolutly nothing to do with the 1929 crash, just like too loose credit didn't cause the bubbles in tech in 00 and housing in 08.

"Govt. interference" consists of keeping the getaway limo running while the crooks make their escape and providing a cover story for their accomplices.

New York needs a 'stupid' tax. They would be in the black in 3 weeks.

Most of it would come from Westchester.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:23 | 3211992 NidStyles
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Wow, really?


What about a Ph.D. holder from Columbia named Tom Woods? What about almost every single Economic Historian I have ever met?

The only people that think what you just stated are the Economists of the Keynesian School and the cranks that teach Economics in College today. Not a single actual Economic Historian agrees with what you just spouted off.


As an Economist myself, I find that statement simply ridiculous and ignorant at best.


Sun, 02/03/2013 - 23:21 | 3212401 Kantbelieveit
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Let me get this straight. The Satanic Fed, the Great Satan of ZH, was responsible for the Great Depression because it DID NOT ACT to stimulate the economy? If the Fed is the source of all evil and should be abolished, how can you represent it as the failed savior of the economy in 1929?

It was the animal spirits of unfettered capitalism that led to overcapacity in industry and excessive leverage in the stock markets in the 1920s. Unregulated markets succumb to boom and bust cycles that inflict unnecessary misery on society. Mellon, Hoover's Treasury Secretary, wanted the shock of the Depression to wipe out all weak businesses. That was the conventional wisdom that Hoover foolishly heeded. And that is the Voodoo magic that is being sold by the ZH primitives. Shut down all government regulation and let the market conflagrations burn themselves out, no matter how many people suffer.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:43 | 3211671 G-R-U-N-T
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"Any program of voluntary government financing has to be regarded as a goal for a distant future.What the advocates of a fully free society have to know, at present, is only the principle by which that goal can be achieved.

The principle of voluntary government financing rests on the following premises: that the government is not the owner of the citizens’ income and, therefore, cannot hold a blank check on that income—that the nature of the proper governmental services must be constitutionally defined and delimited, leaving the government no power to enlarge the scope of its services at its own arbitrary discretion. Consequently, the principle of voluntary government financing regards the government as the servant, not the ruler, of the citizens—as an agent who must be paid for his services, not as a benefactor whose services are gratuitous, who dispenses something for nothing.

In view of what they hear from the experts, the people cannot be blamed for their ignorance and their helpless confusion. If an average housewife struggles with her incomprehensibly shrinking budget and sees a tycoon in a resplendent limousine, she might well think that just one of his diamond cuff links would solve all her problems. She has no way of knowing that if all the personal luxuries of all the tycoons were expropriated, it would not feed her family—and millions of other, similar families—for one week; and that the entire country would starve on the first morning of the week to follow . . . . How would she know it, if all the voices she hears are telling her that we must soak the rich?

No one tells her that higher taxes imposed on the rich (and the semi-rich) will not come out of their consumption expenditures, but out of their investment capital (i.e., their savings); that such taxes will mean less investment, i.e., less production, fewer jobs, higher prices for scarcer goods; and that by the time the rich have to lower their standard of living, hers will be gone, along with her savings and her husband’s job—and no power in the world (no economic power) will be able to revive the dead industries (there will be no such power left)."

-Ayn Rand


Here's another one by Rand on Statism, oh and by the way you can stick your idea that government knows better than most of us that are self reliant (not needing a statist nanny) up your ars!

"The political expression of altruism is collectivism or statism, which holds that man’s life and work belong to the state—to society, to the group, the gang, the race, the nation—and that the state may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.

A statist system—whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or “welfare” type—is based on the . . . government’s unlimited power, which means: on the rule of brute force. The differences among statist systems are only a matter of time and degree; the principle is the same. Under statism, the government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.

Nothing can ever justify so monstrously evil a theory. Nothing can justify the horror, the brutality, the plunder, the destruction, the starvation, the slave-labor camps, the torture chambers, the wholesale slaughter of statist dictatorships."

One more thing. Here you have the most so called sophisticated educated political and crony capitalist elite and the best they can do is bankrupt our great nation. Their minds are full of maligned ideology and are drunk with arrogance, attitude and power they never earned nor deserved.

Liar's, cheats and thieves will be their hallmark of achievement in their own lives, especially in this current regime, thinking all the while inside themselves that they have served humanity to their fullest, good intentioned capacity, oblivious to the consequences of their dumb ars self annihilating policies.



Mon, 02/04/2013 - 00:06 | 3212497 Kantbelieveit
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Take Ayn Rand, please, take her. She was not an economist. She was not a literary artist. She was not a philosopher. What she was was a brilliant propagandist for selfishness. Randian thought poisons society by dividing it into supermen and scumbags; the makers and takers; the blessed and the damned. In America today, the average middle class household is one major illness, job loss, or divorce away from falling into poverty. Isn't it amazing how random events can turn noble wealth creators into worthless moochers?   However, Rand's vile theories did not prevent her from collecting Social Security. She died a moocher! We also have her to thank for the work of one of her most devoted followers, Alan Greenspan, the Maestro.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:04 | 3211727 wingmann
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Bend it like Bernanke.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:27 | 3211769 Yen Cross
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How to bend an economy?  Threaten to take away it's guns<

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:23 | 3212206 N9
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ZH has become a hugely successful website for consolidating and disseminating the insight of some of our finest economic minds.  Within that context, John Allison's (Cato Institute) 52 minute presentation on the Financial Crisis & Free Market Cure is plenty good enough to deserve exposure here.  In it Mr. Allison efficiently tags nearly every dominant vector in the bank/Fed/public policy array.  We live in a "mixed economy" he says, not a free market.

Perhaps the Tylers might give the presentation a more prominent placement later, but for now, here is a link to the video:

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!