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Nigel Farage's UKIP On The Increasing European And Soviet Union Similarities

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From Margaret Thatcher's original (now extremely prescient) warning of the European Union's structure creating "insecurity, unemployment, national resentment, and ethnic conflict" to Nigel Farage's recent clarifications on the agonizing direction in which the unelected leadership of the Union are pulling Europe, this brief 3 minute clip draws some significantly eery similarities between the former Soviet Union and the current European Union. Every now and again, a step back to look for context in history is important - as while the Soviet Union was created by armed force, the European Union is being forced by political coercion and economic bullying. Perhaps Churchill summed up best how it should be, "We are with Europe, but not of it; we are linked but not combined; we are interested and associated but not absorbed."


 

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Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:33 | 3211543 JeremyWS
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Nigel <3

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:40 | 3211552 Banksters
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EU wants power to sack journalists A European Union report has urged tight press regulation and demanded that Brussels officials are given control of national media supervisors with new powers to enforce fines or the sacking of journalists.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9817625/Leveson-E...

 

ECB Wins Ruling to Deny Access to Secret Greek Swap Files

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-29/ecb-wins-ruling-to-deny-access-...

 

Time to revolt.  

 

1.   Get 10k people together

2.  Arrest a banker

3.  Have the state free the banker

 

Lines drawn, sides a picked. LET'S GET READY TO RUUUUUUUUUMBLE.

 

See you there, 

A believer in FREEDOM.

 

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:44 | 3211571 RuiNsPro
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Every Euro bull out there needs to pull their head outta the sand to watch Farage's videos.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:20 | 3211648 Orly
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Unless, of course, you read the earlier article that clearly showed the Fed pumping billions each month into "foreign banks," which then turn and buy Euros.

Trade accordingly.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:50 | 3211741 SafelyGraze
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fortunately, both Europe and America share access to the same forms of online instruction, which will bring forth a new generation of intellectuals

http://pastebin.ca/2310455

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 01:06 | 3212581 All Risk No Reward
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Are you sure that all the banks aren't majority foreign owned?

Here si the twist of the plot you didn't expect...

Money from America's Marshall Plan financed the creation of the authoritarian European Commission and Union.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gj1uZ6194&t=73m35s

About the IMF and World Bank international banking cartel loan guarantee programs...  listen and weep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_gj1uZ6194&t=75m34s

Only the uninformed believe we are truly ruled by stupid people. 

The rulers aren't uninformed, we are. 

The international banking cartel billed Armicans to create their authoritarian governing system ove rin Europe and not one in 5,000 Americans have any idea they did that.

Machiavellian genius!

Debt Money Tyranny Exposed
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:42 | 3213152 BlueCheeseBandit
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The Fed was intervening to stop the housing crisis for about a year too.

Central banks versus Reality—place your bets.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:24 | 3211763 Eahudimac
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Who cares about stupid ol' freedom? The superbowl is on today!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:24 | 3211995 Grimbert
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I'd say everyone in the world other than the united states of america.

 

Why don't you lot play the same games the rest of the world does? Even Mexico looks civilised compared to you people.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 08:22 | 3212792 ATM
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We don't play that game because our idea of sport doesn't include stopping the game every six minutes to bring out the stretcher because some fancy boy got kicked in the shin.

 

 

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:40 | 3212687 Ghordius
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alas, this "freedom of the press" thing is more a continental vs anglophone cultural divide

in many continental european states there is an expectation that the state "protects" the citizens from journalists telling lies

compare with the British-American tradition of putting reporters in a class of "untouchables" that can say whatever they want, and truth be damned, (or just not relevant)

can't say I ascribe to the continental view though I share the sensibilities - nevertheless in those countries - which include Finland, just as an example - you generally get news that were researched and confirmed, and a stronger differentiation between "this is the news, this is the fact" and "this is our commentary on it" - which is usually the scope of the thing

the down side of it is that a certain political correctnes can rear it's ugly side

different traditions and understandings

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:42 | 3212030 q99x2
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That would make us revolting.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:41 | 3211689 Silver Bug
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Once again Nigel dominates these EU Bums.

 

http://schiffblog.blogspot.ca/

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:03 | 3211842 bank guy in Brussels
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That great hilarious photo of Nigel Farage dressed, along with all 3 EU Presidents nearly naked (José Barroso, Herman van Rompuy, Martin Schulz)

photo art from Bluma Berlin via William Banzai 'The Crisis is Over' - ha!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/8371183805/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:18 | 3212681 Ghordius
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so what are those similarities mentioned?

- the "unelected" or "appointed" meme: it does build on not mentioning the details of how an eu commissioner is appointed by the government of a nation and then confirmed by the freely elected EU parliament - hardly the way of the SU, more like an US StateSec comes to office

- the gulag vs "intellectual gulag of political correctness" meme is a bit rich, methinks: Nigel can have his say in the EU parliament, can't he? SU gulags were something completely different, imho, and the comparison is idiotic

- "forget about nationalities" and "replace nation states" blablabla - now this is propaganda, pure and simple. how can we forget? a Dutch is a Dutch and a Portuguese is a Portuguese, and it might take hundreds of years to be less so. meanwhile most europeans like the confederative approach we are taking - which means that the national identities are here to stay, together with the national armies and so on

all in all a bunch of lies made more for UK/US domestic consumption

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:22 | 3214220 marathonman
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Draghi?  Is that you?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:42 | 3211696 Flatchestynerdette
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Love Nigel too. Was wondering where he went. Probably figured those blowhards needed a needle to puncture them as they were talking around themselves so much their heads were getting so big they couldn't fit into the loo stalls.

 

Nigel is the best!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:22 | 3211884 bobthehorse
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Nigel is a hottie.

He gets all the chicks.

The girls love him.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/yesterday-morning-i-had-hankering-for.html

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:57 | 3211915 HoaX
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He looks like a fuckin toad.

Not that most chicks mind.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:20 | 3212196 TeMpTeK
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I dont know who I love more.. Nigel Farage or Nigel Faronz

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:34 | 3211545 Tirpitz
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"... draws some significantly eery similarities between the former Soviet Union and the current European Union."

The Soviet Union was built on hope and right from the heart of the populace. I wouldn't see any such ray of hope for the current state of the european dis-union.

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:37 | 3211555 Banksters
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Under capitalism, man exploits man.   Under communism it is the opposite.   - Old Russian Joke

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:35 | 3212247 caconhma
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The Soviet Union was created and sustained by lies, fraud, and genocide against white people by Jewish Bolsheviks/thugs paid by the WallStreet and the City Zionist Banking Mafia.

This could not last forever and it did not. Eventually, the Soviet Stated became so corrupt and unproductive that people wanted out: the Communist Party bosses wanted to “privatize” Soviet State properties into their own pockets and common people bought another Zionist bag of lies promising democracy and economic utopia. As a result, common people got another economic genocide and a fascist state political system.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:05 | 3211728 Andre
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The Soviet Union was built on lies and the blood of tens of millions.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:29 | 3211902 Miss Expectations
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"The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately, in each country, each government, each political party and of course in the United Nations. Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling groups and the intellectual elite, causing an impression of loss of courage by the entire society. Of course there are many courageous individuals but they have no determining influence on public life."

"Should one point out that from ancient times decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?" Alexander Solzhenitsyn

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harvard1978.html

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:01 | 3211962 disabledvet
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"and in America they made it look like an accident."

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:35 | 3211547 Mae Kadoodie
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EU don't know how lucky you are boy, back in the US... back in the US...back in the U.S.S.R

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:40 | 3211560 mightycluck
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Beatles should record Back TO the USSR.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:41 | 3211691 spentCartridge
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They can't. At least two of them are dead.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:01 | 3211723 Bazza McKenzie
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People can still vote when they're dead, so you'd think they could still sing.  Or is that just in the US?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:38 | 3211790 hoos bin pharteen
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They seem to mostly vote in Democrat-leaning districts...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:27 | 3212000 Grimbert
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And they were the good ones.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:22 | 3211651 Tom Terrific
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I think that's supposed to be "USSA"

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:18 | 3211874 DosZap
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Hell if he gave up citizenship in the UK, and came here I would VOTE for him for POTUS.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:49 | 3212761 Darth Stacker
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But but but... Only natural born citizens can be president! Right Mr. Obama?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:35 | 3211550 SGS
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I havent seen a pearl necklace in a while...#BOOM

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:42 | 3211799 hoos bin pharteen
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Make sure to give her one for Mardi Gras...

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:35 | 3211551 It is a bargin ...
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Brits know best...believe

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:37 | 3211553 stant
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from england we get p morgan crap!, i would rather have this guy, i would pay to see him address congress

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:30 | 3212004 Grimbert
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We thought we got rid of Piers Morgan, useless piece of shit. http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/the-end-of-the-piers-show/

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:45 | 3211556 Vegetius
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Highly amusing to see the Irish Political Classes groveling to their EU partners, looks like the money the Irish were made to spend to support the banks  (by the same self EU partners). On of course the nod and wink that it would be paid back to the pixieheads once this bank run craze blew over. HAHAHAHAHA.... Should have got that in writing. Thats how the EU works to those who are its Lickspittles.

“The European single currency is bound to fail, economically, politically and indeed socially, though the timing, occasion and full consequences are all necessarily still unclear.

- Margaret Thatcher

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:47 | 3211574 It is a bargin ...
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I was born in England  of Irish parents who left circa 1950 for UK, had every holiday as a kid in Ireland 60's and 70's, it was poor as fuck, you take any American state from that era and it was poorer. But I loved it to bits best holidays i ever had. Last 15 years just a bank fuelled blimp, they will be shit poor again soon, and yes I know they think they are now but wait and see. Mate of mine in UK a bricklayer, yes a fucking bricklayer  just bought 6,  1 bed flats 15 mins from Dublin for 80k euro, all let...but for how long

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:56 | 3211714 ForTheWorld
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Just to clarify - 6 flats for 80K each, or 6 flats for 80K in total?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:38 | 3212016 Grimbert
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That'll be 80k euros each. For the cheapest in europe it's Hungary and Bulgaria - still driveable from the UK in 2 days.

 

Best thing bout property in Ireland is there's no property tax. You buy it, it's yours, if you don't want electric you pay nothing after buying it.

 

Worst thing is it rains worse than England oh and the beer's fucking expensive. I'll be buying a caravan(trailer) when I retire and snowbirding uk to spain

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 05:50 | 3212709 It is a bargin ...
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80k the lot, made the auctioneer for the bank an offer before they went to auction and he took it

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:17 | 3211869 DosZap
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I disagree with you on the US states being worse off in the 60-70's, those were boom times in most of America.

Also,how many unions are there left there?

"Mate of mine in UK a bricklayer, yes a fucking bricklayer just bought 6, 1 bed flats 15 mins from Dublin for 80k euro, all let...but for how long"

NO FRIGGING way a Bricklayer in the US could EVER afford over a $100k Amelican (unless he was the head honcho).

Flats must be a dime a dozen and dirt cheap.

KUDO's for HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 05:52 | 3212711 It is a bargin ...
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He had equity in his house and his bank lent it to him on his mortgage, he didn't tell them what it was for mind

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 11:06 | 3213229 Going Loco
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I'm in the Uk and I wanted a line of credit from the bank, secured against family home which was free and clear. Told them the loan was to buy property. They refused. I left it a couple weeks, went back, saw someone different, told them it was for a holiday, a boat, and a motor caravan. Got GBP£100k immediately on an offset mortgage. Bought the property.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:54 | 3211596 Banksters
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If people really want to understand, on a basic human level, what these fucks are up to check out Codex Alimentarius and the WTO.

 

 

The Commission represents the EU in the Codex Alimentarius Commission and its bodies.

The 27 EU countries are all members of the Codex Alimentarius Commission. In 2003, the European Community joined, sharing competence with EU countries depending on the level of harmonisation of the respective legislation. Since the entry into force of the Lisbon Treaty on 1 December 2009, the EU replaced the European Community.

The EU and its Member States draw up EU position papers on the issues discussed in the Codex Alimentarius Commission, the various Codex Committees and Task Forces.

The Directorate-General Health & Consumers is the EU Codex contact point.


What does CODEX do?

The Codex Alimentarius Commission develops and adopts food standards that serve as reference for international food trade.

Some 185 countries are members and over 200 international NGOs and inter-governmental organisations are observers.

WTO members applying the Codex Alimentarius standards meet their obligations under the World Trade Organisation Agreement on Sanitary and Phyto-sanitary Measures (SPS Agreement).

 

 

Under Codex Food Irradiation is MANDATED and GMOs will be sold without labeling.

 

GENERAL STANDARDS FOR FOOD IRRADIATION

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:UxLgKfnvaycJ:www.codexaliment...


 

 

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 16:56 | 3211601 valkir
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Sometimes 1 picture is worth more than trillion words M-r Farage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4XbUY-T_00

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 11:08 | 3213236 Going Loco
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Good job you don't live in the UK. You'd go to jail for posting that image from a UK IP address.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:02 | 3211621 From Germany Wi...
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Yeah, while I am critical of the idea of creation of a federal european state, as well as the means employed to get there, one has to admit that there is a substantial amount of hyperbole in this clip, as well as on ZH at times.

The pro-Euro camp wants a nation state that has the same glitz and glamour as the US (used to have and only partially still has). That is all there is to. It is simply trying to keep up with the Joneses of the US, China, India, Russia and quite frankly - a lot of the sentiment expressed here has to do with not wanting this happening - not for the sake of democracy or the poor people of the periphery but some of you wouldnt want to see the ascension of a strong united Europe.

That said, I think it's all a mistake. A well-coordinated flottila of nation states would be stronger than a single central state. I'm pro confederation of states and contra a single federal state for Europe.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:30 | 3211666 HoaX
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Word!

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:47 | 3212691 Ghordius
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+1 me too. confederation of nations

though this means for me keeping the council as it is, keeping the commission as it is (and so having to endure this "unelected" meme from the AngloPhone press until they research a bit or stop being so disingenuos), not electing a damn president of the EU, not having eurobonds, keeping the power of the purse in the nation states themselves and keeping the national armies

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:58 | 3211716 Bazza McKenzie
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So far I have seen no indication that wonderful "nation state" of Europe wants to put its hand up to have a single seat in the UN (where each country has a seat and they have two [UK and France] as permanent members of the Security Council) or at the IMF or other international bodies, including the IOC, FIFA, etc.

Rather they want to retain all their existing votes and inject the EU as well, as we have seen with the EU leaders showing up at G8 and other meetings.

Just greedy pigs with their snouts in the trough.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:07 | 3211720 falak pema
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well, few would counter that line of reasoning as its the collective history of what's good and what's bad in europe; aka avoid nation state hatred and avoid a Euro Caesarian empire; just to copy cat USA.

But...There is need for common currency to protect confederation from bigger empires; like USA or China rising. There is a need for economies of scale in current momenum; to reduce overall intrastate costs in defence and R&d, like Arianne espace and EADS.

But most of all there is a need to consolidate a common culture in nations that speak different languages and have same greek backbone. 

So lets see; we are in tipping times and the world needs  for leadership to create a new paradigm that is NOT US centric. 

Keep your eyes open on this on Super bowl evening : 

Spanish Prime Minister Addresses Scandal Via Monitor - Business Insider

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:43 | 3211803 poldark
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It is not a copy of the USA it is a copy of the USSR.

Each country in the EUSSR has less autonomy than each state in the USA.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:49 | 3211820 From Germany Wi...
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Germany can leave the EU if it wants to. Can Texas if it wants to?

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:53 | 3213182 smacker
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Let's ignore the enormous political/economic/banking upsets that would follow if Germany ever decided to leave the EU. For all intends and purposes, it cannot leave the EU unless it wanted to destroy itself in the process.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 03:28 | 3215703 Ghordius
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so for the UK it's a possibility and for Germany it isn't?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 06:41 | 3215782 smacker
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You don't understand {sigh}. As a socialist troll that's not surprising.

For most intents and purposes, Germany -- along with France, politically -- IS the EU. And huge amounts of its output go to other EU member states. If it left the EU, there would be serious adjustments required for its economy, and the EU might blow apart with unknown consequences. Who would be left to fund all the bailouts?

By contrast, Britain has long been a semi-detached EU member and it continues a lot of trade with non-EU countries. Thus, the upset to Britain would not be as serious for us, nor the EU itself -- especially if it was a planned exit. It might also encourage other members to quit by a planned process.

All that said, I continue to believe that since the EU serves no useful purpose -- and is nothing more than an undemocratic socialist construct with the intention of creating a new country USE -- and has proven itself to be an economic shambles, the very best option is for it to be wound down and replaced with free trade agreements between nations. That would be Day One of economic recovery for ClubMed members currently suffering catastrophe. The future is individual nations acting in co-operation with others for mutual benefit. That is the way to encourage economic competition and respect social cultures.

fwiw: I also believe Scotland should be given independence from the UK and allowed to run its own free market economy. That should be good for Scotland. Ditto Wales. Centralised planning so beloved by socialists is a disaster. Always has been.

I'm now out of this debate with you due to a lack of progress :-)

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:13 | 3214194 Sandmann
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Actually it is legally as hard for Germany to leave the EU as for Texas to leave the Union......try Art 50 and read the text carefully

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 06:54 | 3212735 Ghordius
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let me see: "Each country in the EUSSR has less autonomy than each state in the USA"

USA: federal police, federal secret service, federal army - EU: national police forces, national intelligence, national armies

USA: federal taxes overshadowing any state taxes - EU: national taxes, the EU get's funded by the member nations

USA: federal debt - EU: no federal debt, tight control on the EU budget by the member nations

 

I agree with you, it's not a copy of the USA - that's where most misunderstandings lie, all the world asking what we try to copy

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:50 | 3213172 smacker
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Much of that is nonsense as you well know and merely reflects the EU at its current stage of expansion.

I believe you are a socialist troll.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 03:29 | 3215704 Ghordius
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and you the parrot of certain media?

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 11:10 | 3213243 Going Loco
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"tight control on the EU budget by the member nations"

ROFL

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:03 | 3211725 shovelhead
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Personally, I don't care how you guys play over there...

Just don't make us get the belt out again.

We're tired of that shit and we have little brown people to spank and we don't have time for you anymore.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:48 | 3211816 From Germany Wi...
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Yeah, I'm not impressed. The US only ever came to Europe after Germany had exhausted itself fighting other nations. Unless that happens again, you'll never come here again. And we have no intention fighting another war anyway, the memories of cities turned to ruins still fresh in European minds.

Not to mention that building a nuke is relatively quick and easy for advanced nations.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:24 | 3211893 DosZap
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Yeah, I'm not impressed. The US only ever came to Europe after Germany had exhausted itself fighting other nations. Unless that happens again, you'll never come here again. And we have no intention fighting another war anyway, the memories of cities turned to ruins still fresh in European minds.

Not to mention that building a nuke is relatively quick and easy for advanced nations.

 

Now that is a flat lie!............if your OLD enough you will remember American citizens sending their PERSONAL WEAPONS to you BRITS, because your DUMB assed gov't never trusts the English to own their own weapons.And you would have squashed like a bug, had it not been for OUR intervention.

What broke Hitlers back was TWO huge mistakes( Attacking the Russian homeland, and getting Napoleanized by the winter), and secondly not swooping in and killing all your trapped troops at Dunkirkl!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Had he done neither of those two things your capitol  would be in Germany.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:54 | 3212052 Black Markets
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What the fuck are you talking about??

Russia won WWII.

The Yanks/Brita/Canadians liberated France and that's about it. Fuck all in the context, yet the US and UK history books claim it was us who won the war!!?! Fuck off.

The Russians took Berlin.

T34 tanks won WWII, they were building 1,000 tanks a week in the Ukraine. You can't fight shit like that. 1,000 new tanks every single fucking week. Impossible to stop wave after wave of T34's from reaching Berlin.

Meanwhile the Yanks and Brits were sat in trenches in France watching their feet rot.

Then on the Pacific rim the Japanese finally shit their pants when defected German scientists started atomising their major cities. Never a good sign.

Everything else was a foot-note.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:18 | 3212190 Whiner
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Trenches? Trenches! I think youse got the wrong WW.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:11 | 3214182 Sandmann
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Someone made a mess of German cities and it wasn't the Russians who came late to the party hsving supplied oil to fuel the Luftwaffe bombing London

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:09 | 3214177 Sandmann
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What cost Hitler was Japan attacking Pearl Harbour instead of invading Eastern USSR as planned which meant Zhukhov could move his Far Eastern divisions to Stalingrad.......and Italy invading Greece which diverted German divisions and delayed Barbarossa

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:40 | 3212269 cherry picker
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My friend, a German, told me the same thing about there not being another war for the reasons you describe.  I am by birth Dutch.

I don't agree with either of you.  My life and history taught me that war is not only possible again but probable.  The Germans are an intelligent, hardworking and pragmatic people.  Yet when life falls apart they will rise up again.  Whether they start a war or not is immaterial, because if something should happen in Europe, Germany will react sooner or later.  I just hope they are on the side of the good guys, whoever that may be, this time.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:07 | 3214162 Sandmann
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Bellicosity correlates with male birth rate.....in Germany pre-1933 it was high, today it is very low. In Pakistan and Muslim nations it is very high. In the USA it is falling and the US lacks manpower to take on the problem countries with exploding male birthrates.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 23:58 | 3212480 mvsjcl
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"That is all there is to it."

 

That? Just that? Absolutely nothing else? At all? Really?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:11 | 3211629 Banksters
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Right in front of our eyes...

 

Obama and Global Establishment Warn UK not to Ditch EU

No kidding.   America under OBAMA's watch. G20 Pittsburgh: Scanner recordings of "police riot" at University of Pittsburgh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-cxHC_JU8o

 

THis is a great video.   

 

DOn't tase me bro.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

 

Look at the dazed sheep nervously laugh and DO NOTHING AS A FELLOW HUMAN BEING IS ELECTROCUTED FOR ASKING A QUESTION.

 

 
Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:52 | 3212692 Ghordius
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the US State Departement fears that without the UK in the EU American influence on the EU could be decreasing - that was the gist of it

but Cameron just said: elect me again and I'll grant you a referendum... eventually

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:36 | 3211659 HoaX
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Funny how Farage who has no representation in British government got voted into the European Parliament democratically by British constituents and has 15 seats there with his party (and How Cameron is able to veto pretty much any decision in the oh-so undemocratic EU that goes against his beloved City). Farage serves among other things on the fishery commitee, where he could do a lot of good for British fishermen instead of just sprouting populist nonsense, but since taking his seat there, he NEVER ever showed up. Of course he does like his salary though, at the same time complaining about the Brussel expenses. If he had some balls he would at least donate his wage to a charity but he is too much of a hypocrite to even consider such a thing. He´s a fuckin clown.

Oh, and if I was British I would be less worried with the UK leaving the EU as much as the EU leaving the UK sooner or later, not that they could even join the Eurozone with the deficit they run anyway (has to be less than 3% of GDP). Courtesy of another poster here on ZH (sorry for forgetting your name mate) I think the following article is rather telling: http://subscribe.moneyweek.com/pro/myk-eob-text.php?n=myk-eob&code=LMYKP120

So yeah, in short, FUCK Farage and I´ll happily take any downvotes (bitches :P).

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:50 | 3211707 Bazza McKenzie
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UKIP has at least as much support as the LibDems in the UK but its support is dispersed across the country as a whole rather than concentrated in pockets.  So under the UK electoral system (first past the post in a large number of small electorates) it currently has not won seats.  However, under a system of proportional representation, used to elect MEPs and common in many European countries, it does win a substantial number of seats.  I am not arguing for one electoral system over another, just pointing out your implication that UKIP lacks support in the UK is either ignorant or dishonest.

On the economic side, Britain imports more from the EU than it exports to it, so in any trade war following a British exit, it would be Europe and particularly Germany that would suffer as Britain redirected its imports.

Since the whole EU is being strangled by socialist commissars, any country that stays in will go down with it.  Britain will do a lot better outside the EU than in.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:52 | 3211712 From Germany Wi...
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Germany and Britain share a pro-market outlook, don't you worry.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:58 | 3211717 HoaX
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Where did I say they had no support in the UK? Read my post.

My point still stands that he´s a hypocrite clown tho.

And on the economic side, just read the article I linked to in my first post and answer that.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:20 | 3211753 rodocostarica
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MDB, Do we assume UKIP voters are basically doomer libertarians as well? Just wondering.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:58 | 3212695 Ghordius
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interesting, this "I am not arguing for one electoral system over another". why not?

one of them allowes UKIP a voice and votes, the other... not

tradition?

and I'd like to hear more about this "Since the whole EU is being strangled by socialist commissars", do you have an example that does not border on the absurd?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:51 | 3211708 From Germany Wi...
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Sure but if Britain leaves, Germany will find itself with a bunch of southern states who have formally accepted the philosophy of the BuBa but in actually reject it (because it's dishonesty all the way there). In fact, there will be a clash of economic philosophies that will make Germany look hard into the mirror and ask itself: is that really the Europe we wanted to build?

The answer will be: no. If Britain leaves, the EU will be destabilized to the detriment of Germany and other more pro-market nations. No wonder Merkel is alarmed.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:10 | 3211726 HoaX
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I like you From Germany, but you seem to be forgetting a country like Portugal, which is doing its utmost best to stick with every single measure being imposed on them by the Troika without trashing their own capitol like the Greek do. And the average Portuguese salary by the way is well below 500 Euros per month. The Greek shut down their entire public transport for getting cut to 2k p/m. instead.

I don´t agree with your last point by the way, Britain is making itself more and more irrelevant when it comes to Europe or the EU lately, and we might be better off with them leaving, their economy is a shambles with a debt including unfunded obligations (eg. public sector pensions) of 900% of GDP. Their actual honest goods producing industry represents less than 10% of their GDP, and most of that is owned by you Germans as well. They´re fucked, why do you think they need to divert attention to the EU so much?

Now don´t get me wrong (and sorry for the edits), I actually like Britain and the Brits, and coming from the Netherlands myself we could use a constructive Britain as a counterweight to France in the EU, heck, they could be one of the most influential countries if they got beyond vetoing every single measure that might harm their City for a change.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:43 | 3211804 From Germany Wi...
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Why does Britain dislike the EU - because we haven't been offering them a deal good enough. They are finding themselves on an island at the geographic periphery of a super-nation state to be. That's the point. If Britain had the geographic location of Germany, they'd love the EU. Britain doesn't wanna be the sidekick of a German heart-state of a united Europe. The French still have the illusion they can counter Germany with the help of Italy and Spain.

So what we need to do as Germans is to make the British simply a better offer. They have demolished their industry - and what are we going to do? Ask them to abandon their sole source of revenue - the (shadow) banking sector? As far as this is justified, it doesn't work if you don't offer Britain something for compensation.

And then comes the whole patronizing, undemocratic act of Brussels on top of that.

As far as Portugal goes, I know a number of Portuguese immigrants here - all nice, super-cool people, every single one of them I have ever met. But I am not sure if we did Portugal a service by sharing a single currency with them.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:31 | 3211907 HoaX
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Portugal will get out of this, and get out stronger, by taking hard reforms now but making the country more competitive in the long run. The PSI-20 is rising rapidly already and they hope to return to the market sooner than later (not that it says a lot these days, but still).

Investment is slowly seeing this and flowing back into the country. Besides this, as much as it sucks to bite the bullet, the Portuguese are used to actual austerity, and know how to work the land and grow their own crops. Just twenty years ago a lot of people in the countryside didn´t even have electricity. They buckle up and get on with it instead of crying like babies because they can´t afford another Iphone.

They also move abroad when they can´t find work at home. Portuguese unemployment figures are much lower than their neighbour Spain for (among others) that reason, and their economy completely different, they did not have a massively inflated real-estate bubble for one.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 23:22 | 3212398 Acet
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As a Portuguese who lives in Britain and who has lived in Holland in the past, allow me my 2 cents here:

 

- On Portugal: The country hasn't been hit hard yet. The Portuguese are trying their best to repay the debt mostly because the local culture is that one is supposed to assume one's responsabilities, and paying the debt is still considered the honorable thing to do (mind you, the Troika seems to be trying really hard to change that). That might be the main difference between the Portuguese and the Greeks.

- On Britain: The British are and have been anti-EU almost from the beginning. They only really joined to maintain some power (since the EU is a far more powerfull block than a solo UK) and to have access to the free market (remember, it all started as a trading area). It's habitual for British politicians to blame Europe for any problems (most having in reality local causes) and often legislation which is unpopular in Britain is brought in by British politicians through the EU (i.e. Britain proposes it in the EU, gets it approve, then brings it home and blames the EU). Also, there is a large section of the press, owned by the likes of the Murdochs that has been pushing out the anti-EU message for the best part of 30 years, probably because said press has been able to push the UK government more or less at will but has zero influence in Europe.

 

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:19 | 3212698 Ghordius
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to be frank you don't sound German to me in this argumentation

yes, the Brits want a better deal - but the whole deal is to make a lasting arrangement between peers

geography has less to do with it than the renunciation on all those "dominance" and "leadership" expectations

and this is the core of the understanding between the founding nations

-----

let's continue with some additional frankness: what the UK wants is privileges. it's consistent with it's own view of itself, and inconsistent with the other's views of an equality between nations

in the UK itself this is seen in the role of the minder of the corporation of the city of london - reminding the British Parliament of the privileges of the City

and Nigel Farage is a fellow of the city of london

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:27 | 3211889 magpie
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Wow, Euro deficit criteria. Bit of ancient history there. What scary thoughts - though running against the Spirit of today's realexistierende Transferunion.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:13 | 3211738 Aurora Ex Machina
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"Farage serves among other things on the fishery commitee, where he could do a lot of good for British fishermen instead of just sprouting populist nonsense, but since taking his seat there, he NEVER ever showed up."

 

Could you explain how nixing any agreement on the 4 state issue of mackerel, going over scientifically advised catch levels and extending the # of days fishing mean that the UK is in any way being non-Capitalist over fish stocks?

The gambling company Ladbrokes has been offering odds on the conservation status of various fish species. Earlier in the week it was taking bets on mackerel after it was taken off conservationists' "fish to eat" list last month. Recently it has encouraged people to punt on the survival prospects of stocks of yellow fin tuna, swordfish and haddock. You can, if you wish, gamble on extinction. (Ladbrokes' link was live yesterday, but dead this morning.)

It'll be a while before I put my money on the recovery of any species in British waters.

Just before Christmas (which could explain the paucity of coverage the story received), the British government gleefully tore up the scientific advice, trampled the evidence, ignored the pleas of conservationists and gave two fingers to common sense by fighting to prevent the European Union from cutting the catch in the seas surrounding this country.

Thanks to British lobbying, a proposed 55% cut in the tonnage of haddock caught in the Celtic Sea was reduced to 15%, while off other parts of the British coast, plaice, sole, scampi, whiting and herring quotas were increased, though the stocks are at a tiny fraction of their historic levels. All our main commercial species are constantly teetering on the edge of ecological collapse, as the industry fishes right up to and often beyond the point at which they can sustain even their desperately depleted numbers.

[source - and yes, it's quasi-lefty, but accurate, and if you think the Graud is anyway not like the Democrats, you're sadly deluded: bought & paid for]

 

 

p.s.

 

Any online source that hyperlinks solely to their own hosted content, instead of using hyperlinks like you're supposed to (see any & all of my posts) is a) doing it wrong and b) doing it wrong. That's to the Graud journos reading. Muppets. Having to take out your retarded fuckwittery over mis-using hyperlinks takes time, and just shows how badly behind the times you all are.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:33 | 3211755 HoaX
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Hey Aurora, thanks for that info. Shows they are even more pathetic though than I even envisioned. (I got my info regarding Farage on the Fishery commitee from the following Verhofstadt rant btw, which I consider a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M4hExU-tfg )

p.s. How can I link with a text like you do? Haven´t figured that one out yet.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:36 | 3211912 Aurora Ex Machina
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You have to allow ZH the 2nd base of interactions if you're running NoScript etc, so that you have the tool bar showing above your text box, and then:

 

Type your stuff:

This is my link, this is my view!

<select text>

<click on the chain icon while text is selected>

<insert your link into box: LINK URL>

<click Insert>

You'll get this:

This is my link, this is my view!

 

You can then add Bold or Italics, after you've linked it in.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:43 | 3211927 HoaX
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Cheers, Seems my problem is running noscript indeed. I might turn it off to support ZH a bit I suppose.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:58 | 3211950 Aurora Ex Machina
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Use the option "Temporarily allow all this page", never make things permanent. I assume you're also running the standard Ghostery, Https everywhere, AdBlock etc.

 

You can white-list ZH ads (barring the auto-play ones) much easier via either AdBlock Pro or NoScript pro, or manually altering your base line access file.

 

Or, do the different option: directly contribute $50 - $100 and never feel 'guilty' about ad revenue again, while still "running silent" ;)

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:01 | 3211958 HoaX
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Hmhmhm, might have to get out the wallet then. (because yes, I am :P)

Thanks again.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:39 | 3212022 Tango in the Blight
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Verhofstadt should shut his loud mouth for once.

He only asked 3 parliamentary questions in the 7th term:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sidesSearch/search.do?type=QP&term=7&autho...

Farage asked 78 questions:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sidesSearch/search.do?type=QP&term=7&autho...

Besides Farage isn't listed as a member of the fisheries committee on the official website:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/pech/members.html?action=0&w...

Nor in his parliamentary bio:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/4525/NIGEL_FARAGE.html

Verhofstadt is full of shit and also a loudmouth who can't keep his trap shut during Farage's speeches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jawbGHHw4&t=1m44s

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:17 | 3212074 HoaX
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Maybe he finally got kicked the fuck out then.

Let´s have a look at UKIP´s own website though?

http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_622_Farage-Colonialism-by-fishing-boat-rath...

"Responding to these claims, UKIP leader and member of the Fisheries Committee, Nigel Farage said"

And also:

"As a member of the Fisheries Committee in the EU "Parliament" I have made many speeches against discards.  Here is one from the hearing of Commissioner Damanaki:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUYrj-mjIu4

I shall, of course, vote against the quota system any chance I get, and will continue to speak out against discards as much as I can in the media.

Yours sincerely,

Nigel Farage"

http://www.fishfight.net/nigel-farage-mep

I must admit, it does seem he did show up at least once (judging from your post, he hardly left a lasting impression though). So let´s call this a tie.

 

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:58 | 3212327 Notarocketscientist
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Farage is a RAT BASTARD who mouths off at the EU but takes a BIG FAT SALARY from that org

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:35 | 3212686 dumbengineer
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Agree with that. He should not be sitting at the Parliament if he doesn't like it.

 

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 09:05 | 3212860 Ghordius
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don't know about that, but UKIP has - as far as I know - still that policy of not voting in the EU parliament

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 11:20 | 3213290 Going Loco
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"He should not be sitting at the Parliament if he doesn't like it."

Incorrect. By voting him and other members of UKIP into the European Parliament we have created a voice which they find hard to silence.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 09:46 | 3212959 BigJim
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Yes, Farage should have to spend thousands of hours having to listen to Statist piffle from the likes of Rompuy and then give away any money he gets while he's there.

How much of YOUR salary have you given away recently, cunt?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:46 | 3211703 Flatchestynerdette
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The EU will talk themselves to death before they actually do anything productive. When they run out of words? That's when the IT hits the fan. Until then? They go by the creed "let them eat cake" - and Greece / Spain takes huge hits, people living like zombies - nobody cares because its not Italy or France or Germany.

 

Once it gets to Italy - they might take a look, once it gets to France? They'll think "so close? - close the borders!" and then the Germans will have to face facts which the Judicial system in Germany should've had the guts to do half a year ago and said NO MORE. Let the cookie crumble.

 

Until then? Its all fun house mirrors. The people get hurt though but who cares about them right?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:51 | 3211711 ekm
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Been there, done that.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:11 | 3211740 Yen Cross
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 I love that guy. He thinks he's Winston Churchill reincarnated.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:22 | 3211885 AUD
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So he thinks he's a fat stupid fuck who will send tens of thousands to die pointlessly in a failed military campaign in the Dardanelles?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:29 | 3211903 magpie
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Does the pro-Europe faction in the UK even have a hero ? Last time i checked, it was Napoleon(unless you count some unlucky characters and their infatuation with Adolf)

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:57 | 3212142 notadouche
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At least he had the balls to do what was necessary when all looked bleak thanks in part to Chamberlain who kept suckng Hiter's dick "for peace in our time".  You may not like Churchill and while he was indeed rotund you revise history when you call him stupid.  

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 09:55 | 3212989 BigJim
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Churchill? Wasn't that the clown who kept saying Hitler was the next Saddam?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:56 | 3212325 Notarocketscientist
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why - did he starve 10 million indians to death?

 

Churchhill should be posthumously tried for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - he was a MASS MURDERER

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:14 | 3211742 monopoly
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Wow, can we get someone like that to be in our political system?.....I thought not. Intelligence, truth, and bravado. Nope, not here.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:24 | 3211887 HD
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Of course we could. It just wouldn't matter because the poor SOB would soon have a "heart attack" or be in a tragic plane crash or if all else fails, be found dead in a hotel room with a hooker.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:21 | 3212746 Ghordius
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you want someone like Nigel in your political system? you'd have to have proportional representation for that

Nigel Farage does not get a seat in the UK parliament, but he does in the EU parliament - ding, ding!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:32 | 3211778 poldark
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The Daily Telegraph has seen confidential spending proposals and internal documents planning an unprecedented propaganda blitz ahead of and during European elections in June 2014.

Key to a new strategy will be "public opinion monitoring tools" to "identify at an early stage whether debates of political nature among followers in social media and blogs have the potential to attract media and citizens' interest".

Spending on "qualitative media analysis" is to be increased by £1.7 million and while most of the money is to be found in existing budgets an additional £787,000 will be need to be raised next year despite calls for EU spending to reflect national austerity.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:14 | 3211863 magpie
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At least the EU can't have school children or combat veterans shot for moar EU.

They should spend the money to bribe Hollywood actors for pro-Euro soundbytes, maybe with Obama approving the Euro in a TV ad, perhaps also an EU "Born this way" Tour etc.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:24 | 3211996 disabledvet
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i think you're on to something here. How about a "Euro...Born in the USA" tour. You know how sarcasm and biting wit go hand in hand with a real "fool good moment for your now shitty life" kinda musical and tour thingy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MFdvPpiTY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F3wYMkpovo

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:34 | 3212012 magpie
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If they are really scraping the barrel, they can always go for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZfAS-K7yDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHTttM5OSro

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:19 | 3211879 VonManstein
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You all know that farage suggested deploying the army when we had the London riots?... good.. ok

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:26 | 3211897 AUD
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I do. And I pointed it out here on ZH at the time. Not that anyone cared.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:26 | 3211999 VonManstein
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ZH even quotiing Churchill. Not looking good

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:36 | 3212015 magpie
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Might be desperate, but the other side simply has no one to quote in the first place.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:44 | 3212037 magpie
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Who then ? Draghi ? Soros ? G-Pap ? Hollande ? Monti ? Cohn-Bendit ? Tony Blair ?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:05 | 3212068 magpie
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weeell, if the EU can't even produce charismatic sock puppets for their agenda, the Illuminati themselves must come out and play...

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:14 | 3212742 Ghordius
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what if the absence of "charismatic sock puppets" is itself a hint?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:52 | 3212049 Yen Cross
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I listen to everything with an {aud} prefix attached ;-)

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 20:56 | 3212054 401-Kulak
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I'm moving to Iceland

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:07 | 3212070 Black Markets
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The problem with Europe is that it has no major financial centre.

The UK is built around a major financial centre but we don't want to share it.

We want our own currency to set rates to match our own demographics. We don't want a banking union, and we sure as hell don't want a Tobin Tax.

The EU needs to move closer together in a fiscal sense in order to protect the euro. The UK does not want a fiscal pact with the PIGS. We are borderline AAA. We only keep AAA because we have our own central bank to pay our bills WHATEVER HAPPENS.

The UK does enjoy low rates. But we run a deficit and we need an FX barrier to slow any capital flight should we every get unstuck.

The UK has two options, stay in Europe and veto closer union, or anything that might burden Sterling, Gilts, our financial services, our fiscal policy or just step aside and allow our friends in Europe to move closer as they wish/as is required.

We're not leaving Europe because its shit. We're leaving because we recognise we are standing in the way of closer union. We are too different, and what we already have is better suited to our specific needs that the German-size fits all policies of the EU.

Germany can have Europe. We don't want it. We already have cheap capital.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:54 | 3212694 dumbengineer
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You can keep your banksters in your financial center. It will be very useful when we are back to a gold standard.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:26 | 3214241 Sandmann
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How do you have cheap capital ? Noone but banks has access to cheap capital. The cost of thsat cheap capital for banks is a Bond Market Collapse

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:33 | 3212093 Reptil
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This weekend, in the Netherlands, a woman holding up a sign in public was arrested. It doesn't matter what was on the sign ("weg met de monarchie, het is 2013" - "no to the monarchy, it's 2013) and that it was next to a route of some royal parade, the woman was not making a public nuisance, she was not shouting or disturbin the peace. It's a watershed moment for a country with centuries of humanist and liberal traditions. Look it up on Twitter, it was the trending topic this weekend. (even more than footballclub Chelsey)

Welcome to the fascist totalitarian European Union, where royalty and corporatism go hand in hand. It's not just economic repression. And the UKIP do also adress the situation in the UK, which has deteriorated into repression a some time ago, so it's not just "Europe bad, UK good", it's everywhere in the western world. (recall the "occupy" and "no cut" demonstrations, including the student demonstrations that were beaten down with violence?)

Dark clouds; the powers that be are steering towards a direct confrontation. They've erected their security machine, and put their people in key positions, in the Courts, the police and armed forces (at the top), and of course in Government. And now phase 2 will commence. It will end in bloodshed, which is totally preventable. But they want it ALL, and that will be their downfall.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:39 | 3212111 cherry picker
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The moment will come methinks when something will trigger the change.

There are too many us who remember what freedom represents and are disturbed by this.

We may be old, but not to old to initiate change.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 04:03 | 3212674 Ghordius
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Reptil, this lady was protesting in the Netherlands, and it was the police of the dutch nation state that arrested her. hardly a reason to conclude as you do "Welcome to the fascist totalitarian European Union", imho

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 08:02 | 3212770 TWSceptic
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Who do you think the police works for and listens to? How naive of you. The EU already makes 70% of the laws and regulations of the member states. The EU is a fascist totalitarian super bureaucracy. It will not last.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 08:18 | 3212788 Ghordius
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are you trying to say that this lady's arrest was based on EU laws and regulations? and then enforced by the Dutch national police?

this is not a straw man - my whole point is that this is a national matter, which has nothing to do with the EU

though please give an example - I'm quite often missing that, sensible, relevant examples

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3213180 TWSceptic
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The point I and others are making is that the EU does not help to protect our freedom, instead it adds new layers of bureaucracy and statism. Only it's worse, because eurocrats are not subject to democracy. There is almost no accountability.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 06:17 | 3212722 Acet
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I had a +1 but changed to -1 as I kept reading.

That jump outside the boundaries of logic from woman arrested in Holland while peacefully demonstrating to it's all the fault of the EU was just nuts (and I do mean it literally, as is in "clinicaly insane").

How exactly is an action of the Dutch police something you can blame on the EU (which has no police and, even though it has courts, they're only for last level appeal) is beyond me. Seems to me that you had a square peg for a piece of news and wanted to fit it into your favority round hole explanation.

I would agree though that Holland has been slowly slidding away from tolerance, though this process dates back to CDA getting power in 2002 and the murder of Theo van Gogh at the hands of an islamic extremist. More in general, the entire developed world has been sliding towards statism, possibly because the current holder of the title of Empire (the US) has been going in that direction at a fast clip and possibly because TPTB saw the coming economic collapse in the horizon quite a while ago.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:06 | 3213027 BigJim
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WAS Reptil blaming the EU, per se? The EU comprises its member states; if they're fascist, the EU will necessarily be fascist, too.

Ironically, in this instance, I suspect the anti-monarchy protestor will get let off because of EU Human Rights legislation.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:09 | 3213038 GoingLoonie
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I cannot wait until they tell us all to eat cake!

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 21:31 | 3212100 f16hoser
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Why is it when I see Joe Biden I feel the urge to Throw-up?

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 22:28 | 3212223 americanspirit
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Because he's got his finger ( it is his finger isn't it) down your throat

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 01:31 | 3212611 toomanyfakecons...
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Ron Paul simply isn't in the same league as Nigel Farage.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 03:23 | 3212658 laosuwan
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Nigel is not someone you would want to invite to your wedding reception if anyone is giving speeches.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:08 | 3213035 BigJim
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I can't see Von Rumpoy inviting himt to anything, frankly

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 05:13 | 3212701 4exNinja
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As a UK resident I have to say Nigel's a bit of a clown...it's really hard to take him serious given all his batshit crazy nonsense statements.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 06:14 | 3212717 smacker
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Thatcher was right.

Perhaps the most revealing point about the EU is that in the UK, NOT a single person in any political party -- and most certainly nobody in the socialist Labour Party nor MSM -- ever comments about the wholly undemocratic and authoritarian structure of the EU and its step-by-step progress towards becoming a fascist superstate.

Farage occasionally has a good rant and hits all the hot-spots. But he's the only one who ever does. The rest avoid any debate about the farcical EU Constitution that was rejected by several countries until they were obliged to re-vote to get to Yes. In the UK, the cowardly Marxist slimeball known as Gordon "Jonah" Brown signed it behind closed doors, to avoid being filmed signing away Britain's sovereignty. And his erstwhile friend Mr Tony "Teflon" Blair is into the EU like no other because he wants to become the first unelected President of The United States of Europe.

The ludicrous idea spouted by ALL our political elites and countless talking heads with vested interests, wheeled on by MSM, that we should stay IN the EU to change it from within is complete nonsense. Absence of democratic accountability is in the DNA of the very EU structure. It is not and never has been a democratic structure. It will never be possible to change it into a democratic structure because most other members don't want that and majority voting was created to prevent such changes. How can anybody possibly convert it to an open, accountable organisation when the likes of Barroso have powers far beyond his competence and far beyond and idea of democracy?

If Britain's political elites have a shred of interest in us retaining what remains of our shoddy democracy, we need to quit the whole darned farm and negotiate trade deals with other countries. When the EU finally crashes, as it surely will, there will be war.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 07:11 | 3212739 Ghordius
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smacker, why do you put all in the mixer and serve this homogenized gruel?

in the UK is at this moment very, very unfashionable to support openly the EU, yes, but there are supporters, they are just mostly silent

what does this say about the UK? get that referendum, dammit, this is an UK domestic affair

"nobody in the socialist Labour Party nor MSM -- ever comments about the wholly undemocratic and authoritarian structure of the EU and its step-by-step progress towards becoming a fascist superstate"

and what are those "authoritarian structures" and "progress to a fascist superstate"? show me the jackboots

the EU constitution got smacked down. fine. why are you still harping around it?

yes, Blair wanted to become the first elected EU President - but we don't want a frigging elected EU president

and why do you constantly harp about the "undemocratic" structures? they are consistent with confederative principles, and so the "EU power", which is very limited, is in the hands of the council and the elected EU parliament

you do know who is the council, do you?

there is an immense democratic accountability in this setup - just not something you and some media want to see

Barroso is confirmed by the elected EU parliament, remember?

and your majority voting rant is quite unintelligeble, what do you mean by that?

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:40 | 3213144 smacker
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Ghordius, very little of what you wrote bears relationship to the truth and reality of the EU. I take it that's because you are a supporter of it.

Let me respond to several of your false assertions:

- "the EU constitution got smacked down. fine. why are you still harping around it?"

Not true. Fact: As you ought to know, it morphed into The Lisbon Treaty and was then signed -- even by the countries who had initially voted against it, after immense pressure from their political elites using the politics of fear. Brown signed it for Britain in a private room to avoid cameras and without any UK referendum.

- "yes, Blair wanted to become the first elected EU President - but we don't want a frigging elected EU president"

Wrong. It is widely believed that Blair wants to become the first EU president and this will be an UNelected post. It is not the people of Europe who particularly want a president, elected or unelected, but the EU apparatchiks and Blair. WE will not get a say in it. Do you recall how many Euro people were invited to vote for Barroso? Answer: None.

- "and why do you constantly harp about the "undemocratic" structures? they are consistent with confederative principles, and so the "EU power", which is very limited, is in the hands of the council and the elected EU parliament"

Nonsense. Not one of the EU Commissioners, nor Barroso, nor Rompuy, nor any other senior apparatchik of the EU in Brussels has ever been subject to any democratic vote. And the EU power is not very limited as you claim. It is in fact enormous. Ask any sane UK political elite. Ask Dan Hannan. Ask Nigel Farage. Ask MSM. What planet do you live on?

- "Barroso is confirmed by the elected EU parliament, remember?"

The EU Parliament is a toothless outfit who spend their time commuting between Strasbourg and Brussels on the EU gravytrain. The "power" lies in Brussels under Barroso and his sidekick Rompuy.

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