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Chinese Warship Prepared To Fire At Japanese Destroyer Last Week

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It seems the world may have been this close to World War III as recently as last week. Kyodo reports that a Chinese warship last week directed "fire-control" radar against Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel in the East China Sea, where Japan and China are involved in a dispute over the ownership of a group of uninhabited islands, Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said Tuesday. The Japanese government lodged a protest with China on Tuesday afternoon as the radar was for taking aim at a firing target.  "Beaming of radar for firing is very abnormal, and it could have put us in a very grave situation if things went wrong," Onodera told a press conference, urging the Chinese side to refrain from taking such aggressive moves.

The FT adds:

Mr Onodera on Tuesday did not explain why Japan waited several weeks to protest the incidents, but a defence ministry spokesman said it took time to recheck data collected by the Japanese ships to eliminate the possibility of a false alarm. “This is sensitive matter and we needed to be sure before we protested.”

Naturally, should things have truly escalated, it would have been a question of he fired, she fired:

The Chinese defence and foreign ministries did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

 

“If this is true, the Chinese ships would only have taken such steps to send a warning to Japanese naval vessels after being threatened by them,” said Colonel Dai Xu, a professor at the National Defense University where the Chinese military trains young officers.

What this means is that contrary to media spin, the China-Japan island tensions are getting worse by the day as the Senkaku crisis enters its 5th month, and one day could result in a "inadvertent" firing of a missile by either side, leading to all out conventional war.

More importantly, it means that even as a Nuclear Power Plant-free Japan continues talking down its currency and in the process sending energy import prices soaring, any and all exports to China can still be kissed goodbye. We wish Japan the best of luck as it crushes the Yen to the point it can offset the loss of a 20% export market, without launching all out currency war with its other export competitors, most notably Korea. Once Japan is isolated by both China and Korea, it will be time to say goodbye.

As for China, the country has smarter ways to retaliate: like exporting its own Made in Beijing toxic smog by express overnight delivery straight into the heart of Tokyo.

 

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Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:10 | 3215920 Cookie
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Why did they do it? Because they can! 

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:18 | 3215939 GetZeeGold
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Almost like picking on a girl. Japan is recovering from a tsunami and a nuclear disaster.

 

If they want a fight they should pick a fight with my cousin Billy Bob from Decatur Alabama.....he'll whoop shit on those boys.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:24 | 3215953 trav777
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China, after years of being coddled by the West, seems to think they can get away with anything.  the world doesn't really need all the cheap shit they make.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:27 | 3215956 ZippyBananaPants
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You can blindfold them with dental floss!

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:38 | 3215970 BlueCollaredOne
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Oooooo Dicey, Why do you always cum on my ass?

 

 

 

Because your face dont appeal to me bitch!

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:26 | 3216075 SWRichmond
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USS Bedford Captain: "If he fires one, I'll fire one."

Weapons Control Officer:  "Fire One!"

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 14:55 | 3217080 caconhma
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It is just a matter of time (3-5 years) before a major military confrontation between China and zionist hoodlums (USA, Nato, Japan, Russia).

PS

In the USA, military services take everybody including people with mental problems and criminal history as well as immigrants who want get a citizenship. In China, it is a high privilege to serve in military and the selection is very tough.

 

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 16:13 | 3217369 Half_A_Billion_...
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If you think Russia isn't on the side of China you're in for a surprise

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 06:43 | 3219312 Ar-Pharazôn
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you'll have a suprise too.

 

Russia is on his own side

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 13:21 | 3216719 rotagen
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Thanks to our overlord bankster mafia, If it weren't for "made in china" there would be no economy whatsoever, aside from food and toilet paper.

What you should be worried about is when the serfs of the united snakes and the Soviet union of Europe can no longer afford the chinese "crap" (most of it is not "crap" and no worse than anything that used to be made in Japan)...when that occurs the preppers and gold freaks will finally say "told ya so".

The fuk-u-shima coverup proved the Japanese have no ability to challenge authority, but they're still "China light" when it comes to tyrannical governments.  

So it's kinda too bad they would have zero chance in a war with china.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:31 | 3215961 e-recep
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well, the chinese do not make only cheap shit. besides china has become world's factory. you can't cut it off without causing serious social unrest at home. the sheeple love cheap.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:50 | 3215999 EscapeKey
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Meh factory productivity is a fleeting mistress.

Should salaries go up by 50%, it all moves to Vietnam. Or Cambodia. Or Uganda. Or the US incarceration rate increases, ie wherever labour is cheap.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:05 | 3216035 NidStyles
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Some people think all of this has to do with politics rather than just plain normal economics. Those same people are also morons and in the majority, so whatever right?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 15:12 | 3217146 caconhma
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Baby, you are talking shit. You cannot substitute China size and industrial infrastructure with anybody including India, Brazil, etc.

During the last 30+ years, the large number of graduate students in best Western engineering schools & universities were/are Chinese. Chinese students do not take a lone and buy booze. Trust me (I spent in the US defense industry 25 years), US Chinese engineers and scientists are making up at least 5-10% of all defense classified programs workforce. This means that China will have the best US military technologies and make them much more cheaply and in much higher quantities than America can do.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 13:47 | 3216829 syntaxterror
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The world doesn't need your worthless paper for real, productive goods. 

There I corrected it for you.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:14 | 3215928 francis_sawyer
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Does this mean that Paris Carver will be free this evening?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:22 | 3215947 westboundnup
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Brosnan's 2nd best Bond outing.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:11 | 3215963 toomanyfakecons...
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Roger Moore was the #1 and only "proper" Bond.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:40 | 3216308 Winston of Oceania
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The girly-man?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:14 | 3215929 Laser Shark
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Generals always fight the last war, and we live in a world where things can quickly spin out of control.

So they fire their missiles, and we fire ours...

Five minutes to midnight

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:24 | 3215954 DOT
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For some Americans it is five minutes after midnight.

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmOTLBpbiXYq2t2zPPX6Ug359XQA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqa...

 

Foward !

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:14 | 3215932 EscapeKey
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Well, the Japs are in serious financial trouble. So what better time to launch a major public sector spending program.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:32 | 3215962 TotalCarp
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You see, Chinese army/navy have not tried out live fire for decades now. They have no idea if their new toys can hit a barn door from a yard away. i am sure they are absolutely itching to try it out, especially as it doesnt seem palusible to get into a proxy war like russia or usa do all the time..

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:08 | 3216206 oak
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now chinese knew their radar worked very well, japnese disclosed it foolishly. the 3rd week this month, abe  will visit usa. both japan and china are waiting for the us reaction.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:15 | 3215933 LongSoupLine
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Fucking wake me when the piece of fucking shit Eccles building is painted solid with fire control radar.

 

Fuck you Bernanke.  fucker.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:15 | 3215934 q99x2
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Practice makes perfect. BTFD

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:16 | 3215936 westboundnup
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Then it's your choice . . . Thunderdome.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:18 | 3215941 ziggy59
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In other words...China shouldn't compete with the U.S. in starting wars by defending its acclaimed territories

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:23 | 3215948 Schmuck Raker
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Another nail in the coffin for the USD as the world reserve currency. /sarc

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:23 | 3215949 LeisureSmith
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The Japanese looked a little pale so the Chinese gave them a free tan as a gesture of goodwill that's all.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:24 | 3215952 e-recep
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their new overlords salute the japs.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:30 | 3215958 shovelhead
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Fukkin Chinese Zionists want to control the world.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:30 | 3215960 toomanyfakecons...
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Not exactly the Cuban Missile Crisis and not exactly JFK at the helm on either side. Who gives a turd is these two relics from the past, China and Japan, annihilate each other?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:45 | 3215983 LeisureSmith
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The dogs of war are known to bite ignorant people in the ass from time to time. Keep your eyes peeled!

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 12:21 | 3216465 Panafrican Funk...
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Because we're treaty-bound to defend Japan if it's attacked by China.  Whether we actually follow through with that is another matter entirely, but it at least brings it up.  

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:36 | 3215967 optimator
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Time to watch 'Bedford Incident' again.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:38 | 3215972 youngman
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I think China remembers what the Japanese did to them in WW II...very well.....

Maybe China needs some Women now....Japanese women....?????

also i wonder who knew they were being painted...offence vs defence technology...

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:24 | 3216269 trav777
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most of the people "remembering" weren't even alive back then, therefore they remember exactly jack shit.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:44 | 3215980 Voice_Of_Unreason
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"but a defence ministry spokesman said it took time to recheck data collected by the Japanese ships to eliminate the possibility of a false alarm."

can shortly be rewritten as "but a defence ministry spokesman said it took time to recheck missiles fired at the Japanese ships to eliminate the possibility of a false alarm."

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 09:49 | 3216000 yogibear
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LOL, empty Chinese threats. 

"Watch out we we were ready to fire on you, you better be afraid"

Japan should laugh at them.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:16 | 3216046 rwe2late
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Apparently there are some easily excitable warmongers, even here at ZH.

Chinese "warship", but Japan's "Self-defense force vessel"?

Step back folks. We are being told one side of the story. Exactly who was doing what to provoke whom may be difficult to ascertain.

Remember though, the US hand in creating this situation.

The US should have handed the disputed islands back to WW2 ally China at the end of the war, but instead the US continued to occupy the islands until turning them over to ... Japan!

And now the US is STRONGLY pressuring Japan to discard its anti-militarism Constitution and RE-ARM. Part of the hostile US "Asia pivot" meant to confront and encircle China.

http://original.antiwar.com/john-v-walsh/2013/02/03/us-goading-japan-into-confrontation-with-china/

 

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:45 | 3216135 Jack Burton
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rwe2late,  Yes, a very good take on the situation. This is not the story that most people want to hear, the Japanese are holding territory they have little if any right to. 

Also, the Japanese military has a long tradition of mid level and junior officers taking things into their own hands against the wishes of senior command. So China painting a Japanese warship with a fire control radar beam is really playing with fire. The Japanese officer does not have a tradition of level headed conservative reflection before shooting.

This game of chicken at sea is what the USN and the Soviet Navy played at for decades. I know, because I was in the USN when we played those games with the Reds. China and Japan are now doing the same game, but are they level heaeded enough to always keep the finger off the trigger?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:49 | 3216339 strangewalk
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"holding territory they have little if any right to"

'Right' is determined by the size of the gun, always has been.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 12:15 | 3216440 hardcleareye
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Please explain why you believe the US should have handed the Senkaku Islands over to China? 

Consider these points....

Japan had been controlling and had legal claim to them since 1895 when China gave up any claim on them in the Treaty of Shimonosek.  

At no time has China occuped them.  Prior to the 1970's China had no issue with the status quo......

China's behaivor seems a  little reminisent of Germany and some of it's neighbor on the eve of WWII.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 11:17 | 3219811 rwe2late
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hardcleareye

Your argument is so poor even Japan rejects it.

Even Japan concedes that off-shore Chinese islands (the Pescadores) seized from China in 1895 had to be returned.

Japan’s claim is that the islands are not part of the 1895 Pescadores, but are islands that Japan subsequently “discovered” and laid claim.

However, the islands were governed by China for hundreds of years before Japan “discovered” them.

Get real, the US did not return the islands because the US wants to control them (Dulles and Kissinger were the lead policymakers denying Chinese claims of sovereignty):

(a) initially outright (because of their geographic strategic location) as part of its Cold War containment against “Red China”

(b) and afterwards, to feign indifference, through its proxy, militarily occupied Japan. Hence, the US has pledged to “defend” the islands against China.

In the Cairo Declaration of 1943, the United States, United Kingdom, and China stated it to be their purpose that "all the territories that Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Formosa and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China." On 26 July 1945, the three governments issued the Potsdam Declaration, declaring that "the terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out."

Other off-shore (the Pescadores) Chinese islands seized by Japan were returned to China after WW2.

Clearly, a lame NAZI Germany analogy is no way to understand anything.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:26 | 3216076 Bastiat
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This sort of thing happened from time to time between the US and Soviets- though generally it was not reported so as not to inflame public opinion.   It was a mature game in the M.A.D. context.  I suspect the chest bumping between China and Japan is more d dangerous because the rules haven't been worked out.

I once got a first person anecdote from a sailor who was ordered to light up a Soviet destroyer at close range when it failed to respond to warnings to back off.  His comment: I think it got a little warm on that bridge.  At a distance targeting radar paints are a warning; at close range it is something else.  

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:50 | 3216148 Jack Burton
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Just so Bastiat. See my post above. The USN and the Soviets played some serious chicken, especially in the field of Submarine operations. Like you, I am most worried that Japan and China are not playing this game in the context of M.A.D.

Quite simply, if we let our games with the Soviet Navy get out of hand, every person in the USA and USSR could have been nuked withing an hour of our actually coming into a shooting incident at sea.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:50 | 3216343 Bastiat
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I'll just say: I know very well what you are saying.  Command and control was very firm in both the US and Soviet navies;  and the direct line opened by Kennedy to Kruschev was kept open. Cheers.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:30 | 3216095 Monedas
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We need some serious anger management therapy for North Korea and China .... where's Jimmy Carter, Madeline Allbright and Hillary Clinton .... when we need ém ?  LOL

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 10:40 | 3216114 Hedgetard55
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"If they fire one, I'll fire one".

 

"Fire one!"

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 02:28 | 3219165 Joseph Jones
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Wally Cox meant well, but still -1....I might rent that one, first time to view on my 92" front projector screen (just the occassional movie, no TV for about ten years)....Bedford Incident, Sidney Poitier, forgot the name of the actor who played the Captain. 

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:01 | 3216200 thefedisscam
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Excellent! Japs making a mistake, thought China as a sick cat. China has to show them China is a tiger!

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:14 | 3216241 Black Markets
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Do Americans realise they are obliged to defend Japan under the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan ?

Why anyone would enter into a Military alliance with a country that has a pacifist constitution is beyond me, but hey there you are.

 

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:36 | 3216296 Bastiat
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Why would this adminstration feel it necessary to honor a treaty when it dishonors its constitution.  They'll just have Holder interpret an implication into the Treaty whereby it is subject to the president's assessment of national security.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:58 | 3216368 hardcleareye
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BM, you need to go back and read your history books, the Constitution of Japan was drafted by US Lawyers during the US occupation of Japan after WWII.....

It was "pacifistic" by our (US of A) design with assurances that we would defend them if need be.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 20:33 | 3218307 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It was "pacifistic" by our (US of A) design with assurances that we would defend them if need be.

Yeah, and the Japanese actually believed it. Go figure.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 15:25 | 3217180 caconhma
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First: America has never respected any treaty it has signed. It always was an outlaw.

Next: does anybody expect that zionist oligarchs who own the West will go for a nuclear war? Remember it will take just 2-3 nukes to wipe out Israel and 5-7 nukes to wipe out England from the face of the Earth. So, it will be a “regular” war regardless of how much bluffing the USA will do.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:44 | 3216322 TrumpXVI
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That sounds like serious bad shit to me.

Lighting a target with fire control radar is tantamount to pointing a firearm at someone.  

And the act of pointing a firearm is grounds enough for the other party to open fire.

The Chinese are being seriously, recklessly provocative.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:51 | 3216351 Bastiat
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Read the comments above by Jack Burton and myself for some historical context on this kind of naval chest bumping.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 11:50 | 3216341 BigInJapan
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We all know I am no cheerleader for the Japanese but "at a destroyer " would probably not work out for the browntooth who would order "fire".
Japan 1 China 0

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 12:06 | 3216377 strangewalk
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Islamic Jihadist Uighers swooping down from the north, Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers closing in from the west, Falun Gong paratroopers spreading death from above, US Pentacostals ushering in madness to the south, and Japanese Shinto Kamakazis reigning holy terror from the east. China needs to find religion, that's all.   

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 12:42 | 3216547 Paracelsus
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"Renounce war as an instrument of national policy"

Neat concept,but one needs reliable allies....Oh wait.....

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 12:45 | 3216564 Paracelsus
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What was it Hirohito said in his first public broadcast after the atomic bombing?

"The war has not developed necessarily in Japans interest"

Do they actually think and speak that way?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 13:38 | 3216789 Chaos_Theory
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So which mode was the FCR operating in? Acquisition or engagement mode? Those fancy electronic scanned planar arrays can dwell a single beam on a target in the acq mode to send a message without getting into the realm of pointing a loaded gun (that would be in the the engagment mode followed by a plume of smoke).

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 13:49 | 3216836 syntaxterror
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China v. Japan, Part XXXIV, who wins?

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