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Guest Post: Sheeple: Another Look At A Sad Breed

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Some phrases are endowed with immediately recognizable symbolism.  When we hear them, we instantly know who and what the phrases are referring to, and can even gain a greater depth of understanding to a particular situation just by applying them.  They cause us to step outside our environment and look at it in an entirely different way.  They might make us laugh, they might make us cry, but we are not indifferent to these affecting words.

Throughout history there have always been people who were right, and usually a “majority” that were wrong, on any single issue.  Defenders of institutionalized ignorance argue constantly that truth is “relative”, and that they should not be criticized for having their own "opinions".  They use this relativism as a cover for their unwillingness to admit a lack of knowledge.  I would ask them if they believe that they are always right?  That they have nothing to learn?  If the truth is “relative”, if morality and principle are “gray”, then who in their mind has ever been wrong?  It would seem that the only people they view as absolutely amiss are those who confront the establishment.  Those that question the system they are so addicted to.

What they fail to understand is that their “opinions” were never theirs to hold.  What they believe has merely been conditioned into them.  They are willing to embrace the system no matter how unjust, because their entire identity is predicated on its continued existence.  We do not admonish people necessarily because they are unaware (all of us were unaware at one time or another), but we do admonish them for denying the blatant facts in order to avoid admitting that they are wrong, and that they have perhaps been duped by the establishment.  So, what do we call those people who remain willfully ignorant (or comfortably oblivious) in the face of the facts and follow along with the herd (the mainstream) to the detriment of the truth?

We call them sheeple…

The term “sheeple” has quickly become a word that defines an era.  It is not just a tool for ridicule, though it does indeed seem to hurt the feelings of the ignorant and unaware, which to my mind, is a good thing (If they can feel shame over their factual inadequacies, then perhaps one day they can be redeemed).  No, there is much more going on here… 

When one is surrounded by blatant absurdity and total loss; loss of freedom, loss of compassion, loss of humanity, that person needs a way to describe the horror.  A way to shed light on the dark insanity of it.  A way to remove the barriers of confusion and build a clear path to reason.  He needs to quantify the threat, so that he can move beyond it, and towards understanding. 

In our modern age, we are absolutely stricken with an epidemic of willful idiocy that bears no rational excuse.  A century ago, such behavior in a culture could have been chocked up to a bottleneck in the flow of concrete information.  But today, mankind has a veritable buffet of data at his fingertips at any given moment.  The fact of a thing, the truth of a thing, can be arrived at with a mere modicum of effort and a remedial passion for learning.  We can plead “lack of access” no longer.  The only obstacle left is us…

Yes, our government and our society have become corrupt to the core.  Yes, the traditional sources of information in the mainstream media are utterly useless and dishonest.  Yes, our public educational system is completely federalized, and our schools have been warped into lemming factories where young minds are bled dry of all creative power and individuality.  Yes, the system we are born into is designed to make us stupid.  However, the establishment has not yet been able to extinguish our ability to walk away.  We ALL have a choice:  to be taught by others, or, to learn for ourselves.

At the end of the day, sheeple are sheeple not because they have to be, but because they want to be…

It is the greatest and most exploitable weakness of man; our willingness to sacrifice anything in order to avoid admitting we know nothing.  This is the philosophical slum of the common “sheeple”.  It is pathetic, and it is ugly, and it is a rampant plague upon the world in the year of 2013. 

The time is coming, very soon I believe, when the sub-populous of sheeple will be used as cannon fodder to institute change in America on an unprecedented scale.  It has happened many times throughout history.  The establishment, seeking unlimited power, brandishes the dimmer subsections of the citizenry like a political Louisville Slugger, swinging them about wildly in an attempt to smash the ideological enemies of the state.  Often, the sheeple are oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a weapon against liberty, and against truth.  They only know that they must participate to “survive”, even if that survival ends up being a hollow and meaningless life.

Now more than ever it is important for the Liberty Movement to understand and identify who these people are, and what makes them tick.  Time grows short, and it is easy for us to become mired in the haze of a glassy-eyed herd.  Sheeple can be saved from themselves, but only if they can be made to recognize these particular behaviors as part and parcel of their own folly… 

Institutionalized Laziness

Some sheeple are not ignorant because they are unintelligent.  Rather, they are ignorant because they refuse to expend any energy in discovering the facts of their world.  They have become used to the idea of being “taught”, rather than going out to learn for themselves.  It is easier to be told what to think than it is to develop one’s own world view.  Sheeple often state that they “just want to be left alone”, and “don’t want to think about the troubles of the world”, yet nearly all of them at the same time want to feel as though they have an effect on the future.  They want the benefits of a sound and balanced society but don’t want to put in the work to make such a society possible.  They want “other people” to make the system work, and “other people” are certainly willing to take advantage of sheeple inaction.  Tyranny cannot exist unless people willingly hand over their personal responsibilities to the system.  Sheeple make oligarchy and dictatorship possible.

Arrogance Without Merit

I have met many people in my life that are not fully aware of how their world works or why terrible things happen to them.  This by itself is not necessarily bad.  If one is able to accept that he needs to learn more, then he has far surpassed most of society in the strength of his character.  Unfortunately, sheeple do not share this attitude.  They not only lack remedial knowledge on most issues, they are also unwilling to admit it, and, even viciously attack those who DO have substantial information. 

Is this due to an inferiority complex?  Possibly.  They are so invested in the mainstream world view as presented by media entities and government that they take it as gospel.  They live the mainstream ideal, but, secretly, they harbor doubts.  They know that they do not have the capacity to defend the system if confronted by an intelligent and well-versed opponent, and so, they develop a demeanor of arrogance and contempt for those who question it.  This uppity manner is a defense mechanism meant to hide the weakness of their arguments.  Combined with Ad hominem attacks, distraction, and physical threats, sheeple try to ward off critics so they do not have to engage in a legitimate debate they know they will lose.

Always Worried What The “Majority” Thinks

Sheeple are steeped in the realm of the mainstream.  So much so that they have become nothing but a cog in the machine of the collective mind (or hive mind).  Their entire existence is predicated on blind faith in the system.  If the system is proven to be flawed, then THEY are proven to be flawed by extension.  They will ignore all reason and defend the system wildly, as if trapped by some cult, because their fragile identity is dependent upon the continued prosperity of the establishment.     

Sheeple are in most cases motivated by nothing but fear.  In their early years they likely either caved to the force of peer pressure and learned to diminish their personal pain by constantly conforming to the majority view.  Or, they sought inclusion in the majority very early on and became addicted to the power that the collective is able to wield over others.  In either case, they never actually questioned whether or not the “majority” was right in its behavior.  Instead, they decided at some point in their life that the majority is ALWAYS right simply because it is the majority. 

Never Questions The Professional Class

Sheeple are easily impressed by anyone with a nice suit, uniform, lab coat, or an embossed diploma or title.  They see and revere the costume, regardless of the man inside it.  For sheeple, titles and positions of arbitrary authority make the opinions of a man more than opinion; his opinions suddenly become law.

While a Liberty Movement activist looks for the legitimacy within the individual professional, the sheeple places all faith within the institution that professional represents.  His personal character is of no consequence to them, and the idea that he may have no clue what he is talking about does not occur to them. 

Obsession With The State

Because the average sheeple hasn’t the slightest inkling of how to be independent or self sufficient, they attach their survival to the success of the state.  They see the word of the state as sacrosanct, and have no concept of government by the people.  They will sing the praises of democratic elections and the will of the public in general participation, but, when the state goes against that will and does what it pleases, they will seek to rationalize this criminality. 

For them, government as a construct might be fallible (or not), but this fallibility does not change the finality of state authority.  The government is not to be interfered with and certainly not to be opposed.  To stand against the state is to stand against law, and the law, in their minds, is god.  Questions of morality are irrelevant.  They have become so far detached from their conscience that there is nothing left but a pitch black void, waiting to be filled with the demands of oligarchy. 

When confronted by men who are willing to fight and die to interfere with the abuse of state authority, they respond with shock and revulsion.  How could anyone possibly stand against the will of the mainstream and its government champions?  How dare they defy the establishment!

Blind Commitment To The False Left/Right Paradigm

When confronted, sheeple almost always move immediately to meaningless party labels.  They will attack you as a “Democrat”.  They will attack you as a “Republican”.  But their presumptions of what makes a Democrat or a Republican are entirely skewed and inaccurate.  This is, of course, not really a problem for them.

They will not acknowledge the vast similarities of corruption between both major parties because this does not serve their interests.  They do not WANT to know what Liberalism is versus Neo-Liberalism.  They do not WANT to know what true Conservatism is versus Neo-Conservatism.  They only want an easy way to dismiss you and the information you present without having to think.  The false left/right paradigm makes this possible.

Predictable Responses

Sheeple are highly predictable two-dimensional creatures.  When confronted with their own failings, they will follow a pre-programmed list of responses meant to divert and confuse discussion.

They will claim that “everyone thinks they are smarter than everyone else”, and that really, the “truth is relative”.  History does not support this twisted view, however.  There are always moments in which some people are morally and intellectually correct, while many others are dangerously misguided.  Some people make decisions that lead to chaos and destruction while others make decisions that lead to prosperity and creation.  The truth, the cold hard truth, is NOT relative.  It is unyielding, it is uncompromising, and it is final.  To be successful as human beings requires us to be on the right side of truth more often than we are not.  To assume that the truth is “malleable” to our particular desires of the moment is to always be on the wrong side.

Sheeple rely primarily on character assassination and belligerent disregard for logic in order to derail debate.  They do not attack your position so much as they attack you personally.  They scoff, they giggle, they taunt like children, but when it’s all over they usually say very little of any substance. 

Finally, they will use the weapon of majority opinion as a get out of jail free card, and in most cases this is not a ploy.  They really do believe that if the larger percentage of the public accepts a conviction, then that conviction automatically becomes fact.  Their goal, therefore, is to constantly ride the wave of majority opinion so that they will always be in a position of “righteousness”.  Of course, this way of thinking has in the past led to some of the worst atrocities in recent memory.  The collective mind has no concern for individual freedom, including the freedom to live in peace.  Physical and psychological violence in the name of conformity is very common in such cultures. 

Sheeple are puppets in the game of political reconstruction, and their job is to cheerlead the establishment and to drown out all honest voices.  They are generally remorseless as long as they never have to face tangible consequences for their blind support of the system.  They seek to strengthen the bars of the prison because the outside world of free thought and expression intimidates and paralyzes them.  In an environment where survival is dependent on individual merit and principle, sheeple hold no currency.  No capital.  This might explain their overt hatred of individualists.  For when we in the Liberty Movement seek to unchain and decentralize the world, we indirectly cut the umbilical cord between them and the nanny state.  They see our fight for freedom as a threat to their ease of existence, and their very lives.  Sadly, their “comfort” is derived entirely from our enslavement.

 


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Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Apple Television = Orwell's Telescreen

Invest in your own enslavement.

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment Banksters
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US media kept Saudi drone base secret for two years The revelation that the US has been operating a drone base in Saudi Arabia was kept secret by American media organisations for two years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9853495/US-me...

 

 

On the front of CNN right now

Meet THe World's fastest Hillbilly

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/travel/private-jets/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

 

Yes, they will have to reformulate the internet into a CNN endorsed structure.  Mainly because we intend to set a fire to the well regulated group mind.   Propaganda tends to melt under such intense heat.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Baaaaaaaaahhh Bitchez!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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"...the camera will be able to automatically detect and track faces..."  

 

-Apple Television, coming in 2013!

 

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."

 

-Orwell's 1984

 

AAPL is my shepherd, iShall not think.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:22 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Good article, yet still contains sheeple thinking.

"In our modern age, we are absolutely stricken with an epidemic of willful idiocy that bears no rational excuse."

There absolutely is an excuse, as willful idiocy has been a successful strategy for many, right up until it isn't. It's all about the inertia of comfort gained by herd behavior. House flipping, for example, was seen in the same light. Where's the risk, when all one sees is reward?

Like many people, the author assumes that for behavior to be considered rational, it has to be perfectly rational. Not so. Since no one is omniscient, neither is their ability to rationalize. Instead, it is all based upon the environment at hand, coupled with ones' beliefs.

Small-minded people simply have no reason to alter their patterns, until it's too late.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Freddie
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TV and Hollywood are for retard sheep and serfs.  If you watch it then you support all of it.  F TV and F Hollywood!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Right, because no other brand has this feature already, not even Samsung. If you're going to make up conspiracies, at least know where to start...

 

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:09 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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<<<<<<Windows

<<<<<<Mac

C'mon, give it a break. VZ has put a web cam in their DVR. Next it's the subscription police if you have a party with too many people & watch PPV.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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Well it's all going the way of "The Nameless War"...

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War.pdf

Lest we think we understand the hidden forces behind the winds of change! 

Read it if you dare.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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I'm mad (and frustrated) at the sheeple, but, not as mad as i am with the global elite...as the power of the brainwashing and hoodwinking is thick for the masses to even comprehend.

Which makes me wonder why some of us here are so 'lucky' to be 'in the know.'

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Don't under estimate the power of the elite and the tools/gadgets in their arsenal...'they' recruit talented/intelligent people - no doubt.

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I'm also mad at the Trolls...most Trolls know something, therefore, they are traitors because instead of spreading knowledge for the good, they fuckin provide disinfo...debunking. Trolls = traitors.

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Sheeple, Elite and Trolls..."oh my"...

Good is out number'd 3 to 1...fuck.

 

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment centerline
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Folks like those here just started questioning things earlier than most.  Many more will follow.  In fact, over the last few years there has been a significant change in the collective attitude.  I notice it here on the net and in the "real world."

Given enough time, I believe a large number (reasonable percentage of the population) could come around.  But, this won't happen in time to change the course we are on.

Perpetual growth is about to meet imposed reality before it meets cold, hard mathematical facts.  The elite know where perpetual growth will lead.  They are not stupid.  Shit, this stuff has been think-tanked, modeled, etc. to death.  

Anyhow, those who get to govern get a quick education in it one way or another.  The are suddenly exposed to the impossible math, the entitled masses, etc.  Once they get a glimpse of how the end game plays out if left to chaos, they most likely sign up immediately for anything else that attempts to institute controls (i.e. police state).  Most of them probably haven't a clue what the bigger picture is all about... but, that is "need to know basis" I am sure.  They just need to know enough to feel like they are part of the elite club.  Most will get thrown under the bus (scapegoats) along with bankers and the Fed when the time comes.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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your perception

a significant change in the collective attitude.  I notice it here on the net and in the "real world."

you notice because you only look for like-minded groups and dismiss the rest.  in reality, nothing changed; same as before

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment centerline
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Umm.  No.  In fact, the idea of confirmation bias is pretty much on par with the sheeple thing.  Duh.

Since you asked.  I have been watching numerous sites for many years.  All sorts of different flavors, angles, attitudes, etc.  I have always been an avid reader of comments sections that follow MSM articles.  Etc. and so on, blah, blah, blah.

The collective attitude HAS changed. It is evident if you look.  It is evident even here at ZH.  This is a key metric I have been watching on purpose and without bias because I believe that it will signal a change in the pace of what is coming.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Keep watching O-TV and O-Hollywood you dumb serfs.  Operation Mockingbird in HD.  If people pulled the plug then things might change.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Freddie------Are you using a fucking computer? OBiggoted OTunnelVisioned

Are you a Hollywood wannabe & got turned down for a part? Fucko shit shit, the same thing over & over is so tiresome.

You assume that anyone who watches any form of entertainment cannot discern the difference between just that & propaganda. WTF do you do, rip the heads off of kittens for entertainment or just repeat yourself ad nauseum?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Some people are waking up. Had a contractor here yesterday who studied in the ministry. Life altered his chosen vocation. He brought up what's happening & said as much. When he tries to talk to people they think he's crazy. He brought up 3 kids in my suburb that committed suicide within a 2 week period. They were ALL on Ritalin. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Is it better to be clueless and content or informed and always upset?

Unfortunately, I have no choice in the matter. My personality and belief system wont allow me to accept being controlled by an outside source. As someone who rejects violence as my first choice I am left to immense frustration and anger as I work to inform and alter my connection to aiding the morally bankrupt.

I think I need more fluoride, radiation, aluminum and other mind dulling potions.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 06:56 | Link to Comment Shevva
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Just though up a better descriptor.

Sheshple =

(She)ep = Herb mentality.

Mu(sh)room = Kept in the dark and fed shit.

Peo(ple) = people.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment 13thWarrior
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They already have filtered it. Few years ago Bilderberg called all tech leaders to their gathering. After that we started getting news what the companies think is good for sheeple. Then we have SOPA etc. Then there was call to use real names on websites and networks.

 

Twitter verified shills, LinkedIn Today, Twitter Digests, Facebook promoted feeds, Google personalized search results.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:04 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Use Skype or have a webcam on that computer? It ain't just AAPL.

Corporate was spying on us via webcam in 2010, & probably before then. That's just when I found out. Electrical tape fixed it.  

Hit the wrong button last night on my remote after putting in a DVD to watch. There's facial recognition in my Panasonic streaming DVD player. 

The only way to escape is to tune in & drop out. From your computer to the grid, unless you're willing to live like the unibohmmor, they gotcha by the short hairs. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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We all know so many of them.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Actually I have never met Sheeple.  I have met MANY who are confused and willfully ignorant.  To me, "sheeple" is a term that equates all who disagree with us as stupid and only willing to move as a herd.  I see PLENTY of individuality every day, and while they do not buy gold, I do not think of them as low-IQ ruminants.  They may get slaughtered though.

I dislike the term "sheeple", and hope that someone comes along with something less derogatory.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment centerline
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You need to get out more DCRB!  I see more sheeple than anything else.  Heck, half my family are sheeple.

There is no sense in sugar coating the truth here.  If it walks like a duck, talks like duck...

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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sheeple       A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in groupthink and what is viewed as popular or elete group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavoir and opinion. To accept the group mentaility and opinion as fact without examination.
Not only to be told what to do, but accepting the paradigm of thought as absolute thereby removing the weight of personal responsibility in the making of decisions. Dictionary

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment centerline
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Yup.  It's a duck.  Errrr... sheeple.  You get the point though!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Got an email today (right meme) pissing & moaning about the gun grab. Then hailing the Christian principles this country was founded on & the laws being passed for state sovereignity, standing up to TPTB. 

ROFLMAO after confronting him about our Gobbernor & her rabid support of being  ground O for Dr0ne testing. 

CogDis. Priceless.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Having a high IQ and a PhD does not protect you from being one of the sheeple.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 10:59 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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Well said, DCRB.

I despise the term, and automatically hit -1 for any ZH comment which uses it (with the exception of this article, to avoid repetitive strain injuries).

And you've gotta love those who condescendingly berate everyone else for being wilfully misled by the MSM (CIA, CFR, reptilians, etc.); while they, they know the Truth, they know how the world really works, 'cause they read it on some guy's blog.  FFS...

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I really wanted to read this article but it was long and has a lot of big words on it and then something came on about American Idol and then the Kardashitians and then

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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and then the good beer needs to be drunk by someone before it gets bad...

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Cast Iron Skillet
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I got hungry for a donut.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment 20834A
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Careful. When you trash the majority of people, you are setting yourself up as an elite, though not a power elite. I certainly know sheeple who fit this description. But I know even more who are drowning in the detritus of daily living- work, housekeeping, changing diapers, fixing the sink, etc. These folks know that things are wrong. They even recognize the theater of left/right, democrat/republican. But they feel helpless to effect a change. Lack of time, funds, and fear of TPTB inhibit them. They literally don't know what to do to be a causitive agent for change, or even what steps they should take to protect themselves. My heart bleeds for them, because they live under a cloud of doom. My mission is to collect as much knowledge of everything from gov't and economic trends to how to raise a couple of chickens and share it in realistic ways. My hope is that when we're closer to the point of no return, they'll be aware enough to realize it, and have the tools to deal with it. The one tenet that I most try to impress on peopl/sheeple: The ends NEVER justify the means. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment devo
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I think they're just positive people, and we're all negative.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Bad Attitude
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Sheeple are just delusional. Most sheeple know they believe a lie, but are terrified of the truth.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 22:43 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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From what I see, most people can't begin to articulate just what is wrong. Then when they finally get it, it's an almost unbearable shock that their whole life has been a big fat indoctrinated lie.  

There's hope. News print media is going tits up. Many people have found alternative sources. Margins on CATV are shrinking, not only because of shitty content but it's pretty hard to pay for it when you don't have a job. Dish offered a friend the same programming that he was paying $80 for $20 to keep him from disconnecting. $0 beats $20. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Skyprince
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I always tell them I'm not at all negative...I look forward to this sucker crashing so that the rebuilding can begin.  That will be exciting.  In the long run, I'm optimistic.  Of course...most look at me like a deer in the headlights.

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:17 | Link to Comment centerline
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Not trying to pee in your cheerios here.  But, Rome did not rebuild.  Going into a post-industrial, lower EROEI future is more likely than not going to be very painful, destructive and prolonged.  If it is quick, it will be monumentally deadly as well.

(edit:  up vote from me for the optimism.)

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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A major characteristic of sheeple to me is their UNWILLINGNESS to seek answers/truth to much beyound "where's the beer?, hey, who's playing today?" ... Head-in-the-sand and they get pissed if you try to open their eyes.

 They hate to read anything that doesn't have a picture of a car or a naked body attached to it. 

The work of the synagogue of satan continues to keep them entertained and drugged.  Little different from the French or Russian bloody revolutions.  The sheeple played along.

www.synagoguerising.com


http://iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War.pdf

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Obey your conscience

 

 

Contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; The most you can do is kill him. 

 

- Robert A. Heinlein, If This Goes On, 1940

 

 

 

 

Thich Quang Duc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_5HNkQ8IU

 

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment fuu
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Om Mani Padme Hum

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment hyperbole2000
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Better dead than red (correction: better dead than a collective worshiping sheeple)

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:52 | Link to Comment jimmytorpedo
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No water can put out this fire.

This fire.

This fire.

This fire.

,....fire is burning and pull your own weight,...

Ride Natty Ride!

Bob, from the album Survival

Definitiely not a sheeple, he saw it 30 years ago

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdR5_bqS8ok

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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do not underestimate hundreds of millions of sheeple with roaring petrodollar printing presses...

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment smartstrike
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The odious middle class.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Is there still a 'middle class' left?   seems like it's disappearing rather rapidly.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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For how many things you call others "sheeple" I can find ten for each to call you sheeple too...

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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No you can't. Try critical thinking....for a change.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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Oh, I do. That's why I can think about what this guy writes critically; instead of falling for catch-phrases or special terms that evoke emotional responses rather than rational ones.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Jonas Parker
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I bet ewe can't!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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Everyone should just workout to the point where the cops and police state no longer pose a real threat, wtf do you care what the govt wants when bullets bounce off your biceps.

 

This is probably why they are trying to ban steroids and HGH ahaha

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:04 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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If you do not know whether you are sheeple or not, then you are probably sheeple.  Just in case, you may want to take this quiz:

 

The Sheeple Quiz

 

#1) The purpose of the mainstream media is to:

A) Keep you informed.
B) Provide comedic relief as you get your news from Zero Hedge.
....


#2) Social Security is:

A) A financial safety net that makes sure people have a retirement income.
B) A government-run Ponzi scheme that requires more and more people to keep paying in just to stay afloat and will ultimately collapse into total bankruptcy.

#3) The fluoride dripped into municipal water supplies is:

A) A naturally-occurring mineral.
B) An industrial chemical waste byproduct known to lower IQ in children, cause thyroid problems and implicated in osteoporosis.

#4) When you donate money to find the cure for cancer, that money goes:

A) To fund research programs that assess actual cancer cures for the purpose of freely sharing them with the public.
B) To fund mammogram campaigns that actually irradiate women's breasts, causing the very cancers that earn huge profits for the cancer treatment industry.

#5) The national debt is:

A) Under control and will be paid off in a few years.
B) Out of control and will spiral into a runaway debt collapse.

#6) GMOs will:

A) Feed the world and prevent starvation.
B) Threaten the future of life on our planet through genetic contamination and widespread crop failures.

 

.......

#7) 9/11 was done by

A) 19 Arabs armed with boxcutters
B) An inside job.

 

........

 http://www.naturalnews.com/032415_sheeple_quiz.html#ixzz2K9JB20KQ

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I love #4 on cancer research donations.  In the future people are going to look at chemotherapy, like we look at doctors using leaches and bleeding people.

The business model is "work on finding a cure" not "finding a cure".

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:04 | Link to Comment zapdude
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Yes, all the PINK in October is just a clever scam that suckers in many well-meaning people who believe they are contributing to a genuinely good cause.

How much of the PINK ribbon / Komen is spent on actual prevention through natural means (not mammograms)?

Why doesn't Big Pharma use thermographic imaging -- no radiation -- to detect cancer instead of mammograms?

How often does Komen tell supporters that abortion increases women's chance of breast cancer by 30%?

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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www.cancerisafungus.com  

Balance your pH by taking baking soda daily. 

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:07 | Link to Comment centerline
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According to DHS, if you answered B. on any of the above questions, you are a terrorist.  Please report to your nearest fusion center for admission to a local re-education facility.

Thank you for your continued cooperation through these difficult times.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Osmium
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Oooh, I know the answer to #7.  It was Arabs with box cutters.  I know this to be true because in the huge pile of rubble from the 2 collapsed buildings, someone found their passports.

(please don't make me include /sarc)

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The MSM is to brainwash the sheep. F TV and F Hollywood!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 The biggest sheep of them all, is that big black one in the white house.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment I need more cowbell
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Hardly. He is merely the latest annointed sheepherder. Of course, sheepherders these days ( once an honorable profession ) are wolves in sheperds clothing. All true sociapathic, pathological liars, the scum of mankind.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 He might be a sheep shagger, but he sure as hell isn't the shepard... A persons title doesn't make them a leader.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Jonas Parker
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I thought the sheep shagged him.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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'figurehead' is perhaps the appropriate term......   Bush II was the most blatant example - with strings pulled by others, though he did throw a tattrum towards the ned and refuse to do everything Uncle Dick wanted him to do , but Obama is very much one as well - a 'construct' to deflect the anger thta has risen during the Bush years.... couldn't have that rage pushing REAL change and reform, could we?     Obama's 'hope and change' BS kept people from rioting in the streets - whihc they were more likely to have dine if McCain had done EXACTLY the same things Obama did.....   the charade continues as the empire collapses.....

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment jimmytorpedo
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I used to take it as a compliment when people called me a wolf in sheeps clothing

Anyone know where I can get a sheeple costume?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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Please explain. He is president of the most powerful nation in the world (well, for now) and you’re calling him a Sheeple, interesting….

 

Bad president – yes

Bad policies – yes

Stupid person – No (POTUS, millionaire, etc)

A puppet used by our masters – yes

Etc, etc.

 

I don’t like Obama (me = Ron Paul guy 1000%) but that doesn’t mean I would post half truths or misinformation …. OK maybe it’s your opinion so I’ll give ya that.

 

I’m starting to have some second thoughts about Zero Hedge – it was always top notch and you could always find some really good info, knowledge and different opinions in the comments….

 

I guess if I was after “up arrows’ here I could always call Obama a nigga muslim and ….. hold on … secret service at the door I’ll be right ba………

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment smacker
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I guess it comes down to your definition of "sheeple". But if as you say Obama is "A puppet used by our masters – yes", doesn't that make him a sheeple?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:30 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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The quality of the Wool varies greatly.  The main thing is, we all get sheared, regardless of wooly quality.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I'll gladly explain. Obama claims to be a leader and protector of the sheep, while he rapes them blind vis loss of wealth and personal freedoms via his shepards ( TBTF banksters and Buffet ilk). Hows that for starters? Obama is the biggest fucking ass wipe two faced lack of leadership sheep of them all!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Karl von Bahnhof
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"First troubles with Obama as a president"

http://fw-email.blogspot.cz/2008/11/fwd-prve-problemy-s-obamom-ako.html

This joke actually circulated in our country two weeks after 2008 election.

We all deserve some comic relief.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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uptick for the funnies

The biggest sheep of them all, is that big black one in the white house

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment risk-reward
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Smith sure does feel a need to use a LOT of words to make a point.  Is he paid by the word?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Brandon Smith is selling something.

words, divisive memes, and Personal Liberty DigestTM

he's got a bandwagon he'd like you to jump on, and he's desperate to be named your leader.

this kind of smug finger-pointing demeans any connection to "liberty movements" and is merely imitating "religions" in the divide, shame and rule game.  smug.

"we call them sheeple" - aren't you clever Brandon.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment smacker
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Brandon is a strong libertarian and he sells that view of life and politics. Do you have a problem with that?

Like so many people and patriots, he is probably frustrated by the inertia that exists in so many other people and their willingness to lie on the floor with their legs in the air while The Almighty State screws them....sorry, I mean gang bangs them.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Brandon's a "strong libertarian" eh?

which "libertarian" flavour would that be, as I've found the descriptive can vary depending on who is using it.

I don't have a problem with anyone who uses labels to describe themselves, it's what people do - but those who like to apply labels to other'd people while arranging their personal label hierarchically above to look down on. . .

yeah, I'm not so impressed by those types.  and they're a dime a dozen, particularly lately.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment smacker
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The strong impression I get is that he advocates libertarianism from a Right perspective, not the shallow libertarianism that claims to exist on the Left...meaning that the Left hijacked the label some years ago, As they hijack other labels to puff themselves up, eg: their abusive use of labels "fair" "equality" "justice" etc, when their policies are often anything but those things.

That said, I often describe myself as ~libertarian but I do not advocate zero government. Brandon may, I dunno.

As for hierarchies, I believe that libertarianism is at the top of the pile politically speaking. Everything else makes way for the State to meddle, interfere and manipulate which inevitably ends up where we are now.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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these labels, these descriptives, they vary with the user, and the one "hearing" the label applied.  lots of people going around calling themselves something, and others defining the word from their own perspectives.  it's always been this way, and "libertarian" is the flavour of the month, it's getting used everywhere, lots of communal head nods - yet so many are co-opting the newest label, so it is losing cachet.

As for hierarchies, I believe that libertarianism is at the top of the pile politically speaking.

which sums up my point perfectly.  you're using a descriptive that varies ("left" "right"), arranging it as "best" and adding a "politically" to the mix.  how is this going to work, politically?  unless we have a different idea/definition of "political" - social relationships governed by authority?  who gets to be the "authority" over the "social"?  and is that liberating??

I've yet to see anyone describe a governing system that liberates.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment smacker
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You're right to say that the meaning (or definition) of labels varies between individuals. A great deal in fact. Such is the flexibility or confusion of the English language!

There is possibly no label more misused and misunderstood than 'fascism'. And that is despite the inventor of the term (Il Duce) explaining himself fairly clearly at the time he created his fascist party, and later thru biographers.

So, I have a definition of libertarianism that many on the Right of politics would agree with (not necessarily line-by-line), but probably not the BBC, other MSM tripe and certainly not the educational Establishment. But it doesn't bother me too much, although it does cause me to be seriously concerned about the organised educational group-think going on.

The reason I believe libertarianism sits at the top of the pile is because it does more than any other model to incentivise an individual to be his own boss, stand on his own feet and make his own way thru life. That will always make him more successful (good for him) and more usefully productive (good for his employer and society). Seriously professional management will confirm this, and it usually forms part of advanced management training. Sadly, there isn't enough professional management around.

More on the misuse of labels...I've seen many articles and comments on ZH by people (including myself) who say "what's going on in the global economy is not proper free market capitalism, but <crony capitalism>". But on another blog recently, the author said this label is wrong, because it implies that some part of capitalism is "crony" and he believes it is not. I guess that comes down to whether the word "crony" is used by people as a noun or an adjective!

I rest my case :-)

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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You're right to say that the meaning (or definition) of labels varies between individuals. A great deal in fact. Such is the flexibility or confusion of the English language!

not a feature of "English language" more a pre-requisite for dualism/hierarchical mental arrangements, which you go on to display well.

"I have a definition of libertarianism" - and then you go on to list how it's a "better version" than anyone you disagree with has - <shrug> - this is how people arrange themselves mostly, in comparison to others.

if you ever get to the point where "others" don't factor into your self-identity, where "you" is not required to be a "not them" and isn't put on the top of your "list" of perfections graded downwards lesser, perhaps you'll feel more secure in your reality, less of a need to label it even. . .

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 21:18 | Link to Comment smacker
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I think you're analyzing different interpretations of terms or labels more critically than is desirable.

Why not simply accept that people see things differently depending on the prism they view through? That is ultimately what it comes down to.

So for example, what the BBC might see as libertarian, I might not see it that way at all, because their view is based upon big nanny government. But my view is driven by a desire for small government. So we're looking at things from different angles. Again, the BBC describe fascism as being on the Far Right of politics because the prism they use to view politics thru only sees the Left landscape, and fascism is perhaps on the right-hand-side of that view. For them, the genuine Right side of politics (libertarianism) doesn't exist (or it's dismissed as extreme nutters). But the BBC's view doesn't mean that fascism is actually a Far Right ideology in the overall picture of politics. In fact fascism's closest relative is communism (or one of its variants) because they're both totalitarian ideologies.

If one takes your line of analysis to its logical conclusion we might have to abandon the use of most nouns because we all see things differently, depending on the prism we view life through and we'll never agree on definitions.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I think you're analyzing different interpretations of terms or labels more critically than is desirable.

well duh!  "than is desire-able" by who exactly?  my mind desires deep critical definitions of all experienced "reality" - as much as I can grok!  I realise I am not "average" and tend to keep my thoughts shared at a level of "polite" in person, but damn! here at the 'Hedge, anything goes, yes?  this is where I come to   s  t  r  e  t  c  h. . . and of course I "accept" that people have different perspectives - this was/is my point!  what you're not copping to is that you see things differently AND you think you're "better" than others because of this.

as to what Aunty Beeb "thinks" any word they use is defined "as", please - the BBC is a government license financed mouthpiece, why would any truth escape from their POV?  all I was pointing to is that "libertarian" has as many "definitions" as people who think they are one - when I first asked for yours, I was merely trying to point this out, that using the word is meaningless unless it comes with some "instruction manual" - of course, most here use it as a shorthand for clubby member-ship, as they do many other shared memes.  post election year hangovers.

we, you and I and anyone peering over our shoulders, don't need to "agree" on anything, but if you want to argue your perspective, that's what these threads can be for - though mostly they exist for about 50 daily regulars to post the SOS over and over and over, like freeking macros.  it's very rare nowadays to get an actual discussion thread going, because the herd is too busy hitting *refresh* so they can see where the rest have waddled off to begin the next reply content.

rinse. repeat. add another day to your posting account history.  stay in the wading pool, the deep end is teh scarey.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 06:50 | Link to Comment smacker
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I accept some of that but not all of it. You are wrong to assert that I think my definition of "X" is better than others. There are many articles and very many comments on ZH that agree/disagree with my own views, but I make no comment because I totally accept that other people have different views of things (depending on the prism they view thru). And that ZH is primarily an American blog where peoples' opinions and views often differ from those of a Brit (particularly regarding labels).

That said, there are several subjects that I have spent a long time researching and when I post on these subjects to say that X is X, it's because I have good evidence to back it up, so it's not simply 'a personal opinion' aimed at claiming the intellectual high ground as you seem to allege. Even then, others are fully entitled to explain their own pov and I may agree with it. Or not. Elsewhere, in recent years I have come to realise that WE collectively have been totally fooled by the elites on very important matters. I notice that many American posters on ZH have also spotted this. Good. I now wait for more Brits to come out of their coma.

On the BBC...you may think it is a "government license financed mouthpiece" but in actuality it is funded directly by TV owners, ie ordinary people to the tune of GBP 3 billion per year. And the reason the Beeb's pov is important is simply because it claims to represent the gold standard of journalism in the world and it's where millions of people get their news from. In truth it is rife with political agendas and scandals (eg pedophilia). Happily, many Brits have finally spotted that it's a progressive Lefty org and peddles news thru a Lefty prism (fascism being on the Far Right being one of the lies it peddles).

Your comments seem not to understand that many people on ZH - including myself - are genuinely concerned at the road our Western democracies are travelling down, which IMVHO is step-by-step fascism. Plenty of examples of this in recent years (all according to my view of what fascism is of course). That is why people post here...to wise-up on WTF is going on and to add their own pov.

Nobody has ever asked me to explain my meaning of the term 'libertarianism' but if they did, I'd provide it. BTW: you have not provided your definition of it either!, so I'm not sure why you post comments to criticise the view of others. {shrug}

HTH :-)

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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okay, first, let me direct you to my commentary of a year ago, say, Dec 2011 through March 2012, where I spent many hours debating "libertarianism" with the voters here - if you like research, have at it.  what I'm posting now has been distilled (and casked, and stored) through those "experiences" of just what "American libertarians" believe, which can include many flavours of religiousity and some bitter hatred unacknowledged.  at this time, I'm somewhat jaded when I read the holy "libertarian" descriptive.

but of course, if one hasn't this back story, then when seeing the glowy "libertarian" word, the feeling of pure joy, of belonging to a group of supposed similars, is a natural response, I understand this.  you feel quite at home amongst the "libertarians" here as they talk of their cocks, of others cunts, of sheep and anyone who "votes" the olde skool parties, etc.  or not. who knows.  that "no one has asked you to explain your meaning of libertarianism" should be a tell for you, but that's just not how groups organise themselves, is it?  it's like being "in love" - and then falling "out of love", same shit was sitting right in front of your nose all along, you just can't see it when you want to feel good and belong. . .

your "genuine concern" is touching.  if you continue to participate in what you believe can change the "Western democracy road" being traveled, you will no doubt learn incrementally, as you're clever.  I've never been drawn to participating in the whole political voting game, it never held out any promise to me - which I'm sooo grateful for, because it's saved me a helluva lot of time in my life, precious time better spent doing things that have more meaning to me than joining a political "party" hoping for changes.

here's a hint:  why are three centers of power situated within nationstates, but completely separate?  The City of London, The Vatican, and Washington D.C. - what's going down in these holy spaces apart from their "national" identities around them?  do you suppose the "libertarians" can make a difference in that reality?

as to,

On the BBC...you may think it is a "government license financed mouthpiece" but in actuality it is funded directly by TV owners, ie ordinary people to the tune of GBP 3 billion per year.

are you serious?  funded directly by the TV owners under penalty of fines and imprisonment for non-compliance, unless things have changed since I lived in the UK.  you make it sound voluntary, when it is in fact a TAX applied to anyone with "reception".   and irrespective of whether half the world "watches" BBCTV or reads the blogs, or whatever, it doesn't make a word of what they promote true, it merely makes it ubiquitous.  like religion.  "progressive Lefty" - oh dear, and it's got a flavour. . .

so, are you UKIP?  how does "libertarian" translate to Crown-land?  which party are you voting with, which are you promoting to your fellow Brits to help them come out of their collective "coma"?  not Red, nor Blue, so is it the Yellows?  or have they blended a new colour?  Greens being so. . . progressive? or??

ahhh well. . . you're impressed by the Americans posting here, if I'm reading you correctly, so hang around, see how impressive they can truly be.  there are a handful of truly brilliant humans that occasionally post here, you and I will most likely disagree on who makes that "list" - but do your due diligence - just because someone writes "libertarian" in all their posts doesn't necessarily mean they know more than how to spell the word.  "Americans" have a distnct flavour of "libertarian" that can include their own personal Jesus, and appealing to the State for laws dedicated to policing the bodies of women in a way that the "muslim" believers would find favourable.

always watch what the other hand is up to when parsing the label'd.  in other words, don't be afraid to ask for definitions of common words, for clarity.

peace.

 

 

 

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 06:22 | Link to Comment smacker
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You're right on the BBC tax, but that's about all.

I didn't mention that it's compulsory, and to enforce compliance Aunty has an arms-length private firm of jackboots who harrass people and eventually prosecute them. And it matters not whether you watch BBC output or not.

But your assertions and smears about me are plain wrong. You simply have no idea where I'm coming from. Especially when you ramble into cryptic, vivid descriptions of how I see things, where I stand politically and what makes me feel good. Are you really that dumb that you think I'm not aware that some people who describe themselves as (say) libertarian often have some important differences of opinion? Did I not mention that the Left hijacked the term years ago and many in that camp are simply irresponsible Lefties who want to be allowed to do their own thing with complete disregard for others.  Here's several issues that separate me from some libs:

- Mises folks believe that the only use of force that's justified is in self defence. I disagree.

- Many libs are strongly against abortion. I support it, subject to certain clinical considerations.

- Many libs have a religous leaning. I do not. To me, all religion is nonsense, although I believe others should be free to practice it providing they don't attempt to ram it down my throat (as in Islam).

- Many libs want zero government. I do not.

FYI: I have not voted for any UK party since 1982 simply because I have little in common with any of them. Even the current Cameron Govt leaves me hugely despondent. In that sense I am very non-political even though I spend a lot of time debating politics because I believe government is out of control and is now travelling down a very dangeous road. WE the people need to retake control of govt and redirect it.

My view of libertarianism (sorry to use that dreadful term again) is such that I have long advocated a proper written constitution and Bill of Rights for the UK. And if I had my way it would be a strong one that seriously downsized government and forbids it from poking its nose into every nook and cranny of society.

I could go on...but...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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well cool, poking you a bit with a stick got a deeper definition of your libertarian beliefs - appreciated, since your labeling yourself on a "conservative" side, and using the "Lefty" tag might have led others here to believe you fit into their "conservative libertarian" club, and that tends to include god-righteousness, and power over notions.

But your assertions and smears about me are plain wrong. You simply have no idea where I'm coming from.

dude, how can I possibly have an idea of where you're coming from until you tell me?  unless I just want to fill in the blanks about you based on your using ONE SINGLE WORD, undefined, as a concept?

which, again, is my point.  words have meanings, many more than people acknowledge - they mean different things to different people, always!

get into an argument *here* about "capitalism" or "religion/god" or even "history" - lol, sooo many versions of reality.

for what it's worth, I appreciate this exchange, you've been a good spar - take it easy, and catch up with you laters.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment smacker
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peace :-)

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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Grok!

 

That Heinlein was one Hoopy Frood...

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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"I've yet to see anyone describe a governing system that liberates."

Which is why I support Panarchism. Choose your slavery, or not.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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If you're a 'sheeple', then they call you stupid and justify their actions by 'Hey they're dumb so they deserve what we do to them'.

However if you're NOT a sheeple and call 'BULLSHIT', well then you're a terrorist threat to the state and must be SWAT raided or drone striked.

No way out, damned if you do damned if you don't.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Did you know that skepticism isn't generally taught, or valued, or even acknowledged in American public schools?  What if Americans approached a new product with skepticism? What if they looked at the claims and promises of political candidates with skepticism?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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And if you are skeptical or a cynic (critical thinking, logical, using reason over emotion) you are a conspiracy theorist or a wing-nut who needs medication.

It's become engrained in the sheeple, if you question you are a nut case.

I had an ex-girlfriend who was all twisted up inside about her credit score.  She was asking advice.  I told her that a credit score was really a debt score, a measure of how good a candidate for debt she was. 

Told her to pay off the credit card and not be in debt.  She was robbing Peter to pay Paul, and sending Chase Bank 10%+ interest on her credit card balance when she had the cash in savings earning 0.05%.

I told her that they were happy to charge her 10% on what she owed while paying her 0.05% on her savings.  She said "They huh?" as in "Them" as in "The Men in Black" as in "You are a conspiracy theorist."

She trusted them more than me.  So...you can guess why she is an Ex-Girlfriend.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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Did you know that skepticism isn't generally taught, or valued, or even acknowledged in American public schools?

 

LOL

 

the products of America's public schools (at least the intended products) are semi literate semi numerate unthinking automatons

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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...eager to buy iPhones on credit.

What's good for Apple is good for America.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:15 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Ron Paul was marginalized as a "nut case" by his opponents and the MSM, so we are in good company.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment conspicio
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Paul's recent "live by the sword, die by the sword" was exhibit A as to why he continues to fringe himself. Going after a dead sniper? WTF? The murderer is an acceptable consequence of Second Amendment protections, one that I can live with and Dr. Paul should accept quietly as well. However, Dr. Paul chose to support the war the sniper fought in and then has the balls to disrespect his death at the hands of a murderer? Fuck him on that issue. Brilliant on many issues, but Nut Case in that regard. See how people come to that conclusion? He marginalizes himself...and often.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 08:07 | Link to Comment blabam
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A sniper is a murderer. good riddance. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Don't forget Nader.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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That's alot of questions.  I'll get back to you after I ask SIRI.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Spas Rex - It's called "critical thought". Has not been taught certainly on Public schools in US, since the Federal Gov't began it's race based, "see me,feel me" Great Society programs in the late 60s.
The Great Society programs became a magnet for those not trained "critical thought".
Dept of Housing and Urban Development (50Billion yr), Dept of Education ($50Billion/yr) are just the tip of the non "critical thought" iceberg.
The Titanic will be hitting the iceberg soon, with Capt. Obama at the helm.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Actually, the critical thinking window in American public ed started shortly after WWII (think Sputnik), and died sometime in the '80s after the social counter revolution. Prior to WWII, public education existed mainly to train industrial workers (repetition, tolerance of boredom, compliance). Even given a few aberrant decades, the purpose of public education was never mainly to educate.

Certainly, an educated populace isn't what consumerism demands; it demands a credulous populace. American public education has been HIGHLY succesful in its real aims.

We reap what we sow.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Ok...my point was that they were at the very least taught a skill set (which does require a modicum of critical thought), and not brainwashed with a socio -political agneda to enable the Fed Gov't to spend billions on public housing rpjects, race based quotas, and indeed the anti critical thought process (Orwellian) that is jammed dopwn their throats since the 80s.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"they" were taught a 5 day (work) week, to be in their seat when the bell rang or be penalised, to move between classrooms as instructed, to pledge allegiance to a flag with meme-orised words, to see "recess" as a reward for "work" and to eat slop at meal times.

as to the "socio-political" brainwash?  seriously, do you not see this as a "patriotism" training that would result in good little citizens that defend the flag on cue?

never mind all the gender roleplay that rarely got acknowledged - "shop" for boys, "home economics" for girls, with the appearance police kept in-house with standardised "dress codes" - it may have "evolved" a bit post-70's, but prior to that, all girls were required to wear skirts/dresses, etc.

skool is where "citizens consumers" are formed, like so many PlayDohFunFactoryToys.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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It's up to the individual to educate themselves, gubmnt won't do it for you, it's against their agenda!

Read this for a good start before they take us all out...

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War.pdf

Then there is this just off the press by a viet vet... www.synagoguerising.com

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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It's almost like material abundance is stupifying.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment ironsky
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Shmoo are more tasty than sheeple and will hop into the frying pan if you don't stop them.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Liitehaus
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Didja miss the election results? Sheeple voted Chris Matthews back in as king.....

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment waterhorse
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I had problems with the "always" and "never" descriptors of "sheeple".  Unfortunately, a one-size-fits-all label is just not that simple and quite frankly, I don't know many who are cheerleaders of the establishment and obsessed with the word of the state being sacrosanct. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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no no waterhorse, you're doing it wrong!

your mind is supposed to immediately jump to pictures of most people you know, even family, and your fingers automatically type out derogatory descriptives of them, to share among the group here.

preferably with a few references to them being fuk'd, beyond hope, only good for "one" thing, etc.

there can be no outliers, all must feel uni-form'd if you want to fit in. . .

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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Lol, touche. Here's hoping that the statements that cause 'your mind...to immediately jump to pictures of most people you know' are a function of the excited hyperbolic tone used to convey an honest and truthful appraisal rather than another attempt to confuse, distract and conquer by subversion.  As I read your comment though, I can't help but think of a piece I read that suggested the type of person that you should be most fearful of in the US today fits the descritption of 'Middle Class White Guy' at large.  Now every standpoint, no matter how rational, should facilitate hatred of another social group or division? Are we really that gullible and pathetic?

IMHO, egotistical oneupmanship is the disease, whatever the circumstances.  Ego makes us pliable and gives others leverage to use our predictable emotional responses in order to control. Solidarity and compassion for those that are victims of our collectve folly, to my mind, is the only intellectual recourse.  As a species we have fucked up, it is everyone's responsibility. Each of us is just another insignificant organism on a harmless planet in an unfashionable backwater on the third arm of a pretty ordinary galaxy in a universe that couldn't give two squirts of piss about us.  How hilarious our prissy little childish egos are when we remember this. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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to the extent that one needs to identify their whole self with the label "Middle Class White Guy" (and we need to add "heterosexual" to this, yes? it does make a huge difference), then the target will be felt.    I say felt, because it includes the dreaded "emotion" which is to be made a lesser, fearful act - to feel.

Now every standpoint, no matter how rational, should facilitate hatred of another social group or division? Are we really that gullible and pathetic?

some are, some aren't.  what you may be describing is the targeting of a demographic that sees itself as "default human" against all other'd are measured against.  that "it" might be feeling the spotlight's glare of late is a function of losing the reins so to speak, the horse has bolted.  what was historically seen as "normal" is now being "questioned" in the role.

when in fact, those who script the grand narratives have merely moved on to another chapter - the same folks are populating the stories, but are given different cultural roles. . . look for this notion to amplify in coming years, because the authors have a plot they're sticking to, irrespective of who wins/loses - they are "above" these things, and so should anyone with half a brain be as well.

How hilarious our prissy little childish egos are when we remember this.

oh, indeed!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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Great fucking article Tyler.

 

We can not advance as a nation if the fuckers whom are destroying it remain in fucking power.  the only way to resolve this is if the masses of "sheeple" awake from their slumber, and revolt.

Fuck you MSM.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Can we change the "MSM" to "SM"?

State Media.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment valkir
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I pretend to invent another word,that will be very popular soon-SHITLE

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Recalls to me Marion Barry being re-elected as Mayor of Washington D.C. even though he had been caught snorting coke, engaging hookers, embezzling money, fraud, etc., etc.

Why?  Because the majority of the people of the good city identified with him as many of them were themselves or had family members who were into the same dysfunctional behavior.

The double-edged sword (or "Louisville Slugger)"of the current kleptoligarchy are the entitlement crowd (of all races and creeds) along with the elite protected class; the socio-fascist crony capitalist League of Doom; crushing the liberties and spirits of the hard-working responsible ever-shrinking middle class.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:46 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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I was thinking of Marion Barry today when reading of Italian elections.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment hyperbole2000
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Bescolni is to the financial market what Al Queda was to the CIA.

They were created to do harm to their enemies and to degrade their enemies ability to harm them; but, when they were thrown away like a used condom they went after their former masters.

Charisma, as history examples, can go a long way. Berscoloni nevr lost an election he was forced to walk the gang plank by his, at the time, masters.

Berscolni is the Black Swan and he is probably shorting the market up to his eye ballls.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment samsara
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Campaign Slogan:

"The Bitch Set Me Up"

Marion Barry

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment The_Saint
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This is, in a nutshell, called personal incredulity, a logical fallicy that permeates many of the blue states :)

Sorry to add more big words to the thread!

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Just like that most people are incapable of going to the house next door and slaughtering the family living there, sheeple are incapable of going to the house next door and changing their worldview through learning or argumentation.

The sheeple can't change and the unsheeple are going to be taken down by them.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment busted by the b...
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Bollocks

 So people were smarter and better informed in 1789 or 1850 or even 1930 than now?

 Sheeple didn't exist in 1789?  Did the people decide what kind of liberty and government they wanted to have, or was it a small group of elite founding fathers who decided while most of the people had no idea what was being debated until it was all over and presented to them gift wrapped in the constitution? 

If sheeple didn't exist, why did the founding fathers create the electoral college to protect us from the judgment of those very people?

Was there not serious consideration of making George Washington a king?  So they were wiser about tyranny than us?

 

And truth?  What truth?

 Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.

Marcus Aurelius

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Indeed.  Time to move to another planet.  About that electoral college in a representative republic...   ...I guess that the GOP shouldn't have ejected those Paul delegates on a bogus vote after all...

so many examples of the naked fascism.  Not even an effort to try and appear legit.

The time to watch all this from a safe distance is fast approaching, same as it ever was.  Of course this time around we are talking about 7+ billion people who will need to sort things out.  Good luck.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Spacemoose
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they were not necessarily smarter but they had a lot more common sense than most have now. the difference between intelligence and common sense is that people with common sense incorporate their knowledge of human nature into their analysis of a problem.  they were farmers and saw first hand and up close the effects of breeding (notice today that no one gives a shit if you come from a "good family"; that is soooo 1800's and anyway humans are not animals!).  belief in bullshit would often lead to their death or to poverty. 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:12 | Link to Comment hyperbole2000
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Inbreeding is a genetic sheeple factory.  The excel in a controlled environement but in an unstable environment they cannot survive.

The number one fact if life is it is never stable for long. Change is inevitable.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Up until 1965...the majority of Americans were not getting money directly from the Gov't or beneficiaries of Fed money printing. The people had to do a modicum of thinking for themselves to survive.
So its not bollocks, it is identifying the machinations perpetrated on the US public by those in Fed Gov't and the Federal Reserve.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Seer
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For MANY years people were held captive to the "war situation."  Post WW II the floodgates were lifted and mass spending was unleashed.  And, stupid politicians (backed by the eternally paranoid control-freaks - the anti-commie folks) decided to bury us in a dirty little war in SE Asia.  Debt from this war couldn't be hidden any longer when in 1970 the US became a party of FIAT, dumped the last vestiges of the gold standard.  Insult to injury then continued with US oil production peaking in 1971.  The TWO events signaled the no-turning-back point and prisms and mirrors have since been the greatest contributors to "GDP" (and to ensure that everyone was too busy to realize what was going on "tech" was pushed).

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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They may have been smarter and better informed.

What they had was a difference in morality: individualistic versus the current collectivistic.

POS people get the POS government they deserve.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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There were plenty of sheeple and tons of decievers just like today!

Read all about it...but not for bed time reading. 

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Archibald.Maule.Ramsay/The.Nameless.War.pdf

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Lots of opinions out there.  regardless, people without food will still starve and that which cannot be sustained, won't be.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:41 | Link to Comment centerline
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Pesky math always getting in the way.  Gravity, thermodynamics, etc. are a real pain in the ass here.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment samsara
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Thermodynamics is the only thing that give me hope.  Rothchilds cannot 'Create' raw resources.  When they run low,  there is nothing they can do about it.

Come on Peak Oil.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Looks like we are starting to get under some of the establishments skin. Go team libertarian.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2013/02/graham-defends-obama-o...

 

Graham defends Obama on drones

 

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) will offer a resolution next week commending President Barack Obama’s use of drones and the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki.

“Every member of Congress needs to get on board,” Graham said. “It’s not fair to the president to let him, leave him out there alone quite frankly. He’s getting hit from libertarians and the left.

“I think the middle of America understands why you would want a drone program to go after a person like Anwar al-Awlaki,” Graham added.

 

He forgets the part about all the children being blown up by these things, I don't see the admonishment of the same guy who tries to take your guns when American children are killed.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:35 | Link to Comment busted by the b...
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Libertarians may be the last hope for America.

But that hope is fading as left leaning groups are increasing and may soon have an undefeatable majority.  When even moderate Republicans can't win the presidency, what chance will libertarians or Tea Party candidates have of garnering enough political power to alter our declining course?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment knowless
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Accelerate, sub divide, self govern.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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There is enough common ground to form a coalition. I don't see one group alone breaking the stranglehold. With that said As long as you can show how individual liberty protects and allows for what the left holds dear then it works..... In my short time of becoming libertarian my observation is the left of the scale libertarians (the ones that take individualism to the extreme) compared to conservative flavored ones like Ron Paul are 2 different beasts unto themselves but they both manage to coexist just fine.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:30 | Link to Comment Seer
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I think that the world doesn't really want "libertarians" to "save" "America."

Why do we need such a thing? so that we have a new fresh flag to fly for attracting psychopathic power-mongers?

All the romanticizing is based on a prior time, a time in which there were resources that could be carved up.  That time, that world, no longer exists!  THIS is why there's a declining course, it's why things are turning ugly.  It' got very little to do with what kind of power is in charge, it has to do with POWER being in charge.

People need to quit waiting for some salvation and get on with being part of the new future, a future in which people maintain their own power.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment smacker
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Yet another of Brandon's excellent articulation of a serious matter which afflicts our society.

I wonder if the disease that so many of the sheeple suffer from is plain old "group-think"?...reckoned to be one of the most serious conditions that afflicts all societies.

These people have little desire - and often lack of skill - at practicing independent thought. For them, it's much better to go along with the herd and never stand out among their friends and colleagues as a malcontent or misfit. After all, if they indulged in independent thought and formed their own opinions, they might be wrong. Then what? Humiliation soon follows. The risk is too great for these people. Group-think provides them with a nice, cosy environment.

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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"group-think" is epidemic.

and it comes in many, many flavours.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:21 | Link to Comment smacker
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Essentially only one concept as far as I know:

http://flyto.zapto.org/Misc/Group-think.pdf

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:04 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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it's a good example to work from, sure,

Groupthink, a term coined by social psychologist Irving Janis (1972), occurs when a group
makes faulty decisions because group pressures lead to a deterioration of “mental
efficiency, reality testing, and moral judgment” (p. 9). Groups affected by groupthink
ignore alternatives and tend to take irrational actions that dehumanize other groups. A
group is especially vulnerable to groupthink when its members are similar in background,
when the group is insulated from outside opinions, and when there are no clear rules for
decision making.

[. . .]

4.Stereotyped views of out-groups – Negative views of “enemy” make effective
responses to conflict seem unnecessary.

5.Direct pressure on dissenters – Members are under pressure not to express
arguments against any of the group’s views.
6.Self-censorship – Doubts and deviations from the perceived group consensus are not
expressed.
7.Illusion of unanimity – The majority view and judgments are assumed to be unanimous.

8.Self-appointed ‘mindguards’ – Members protect the group and the leader from
information that is problematic or contradictory to the group’s cohesiveness, view,
and/or decisions.

one concept, many applications and examples to be found, yes?

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:38 | Link to Comment smacker
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Yes, totally agree. I see group-think practiced everywhere, every day. Whether it's political talking heads lying thru their teeth, MSM news reports or banking corporates explaining why their ATMs failed to serve up cash etc. Nobody inside these orgs is allowed to deviate from the official position.

In fact in the UK, the last Tony Blair Labour Govt created "organised group-think". They had a system of sending SMS text messages to all their fellow muppets in Parliament whenever anything important happened that might require a response. The prime purpose was to ensure that if any one of them got cornered by MSM with TV camera/mic at the ready, they would spew out the official explanation - complete with NewSpeak - as if it was their own opinion. It never was.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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virtually all me-dyuh is designed this way, it fosters the feeling of "fitting in" - that's a "demographic" yes?

.gov is a great example of this, in that it has to present a uni-formed front for the viewers/voters - all parties play this game, it's inherent in the system patterns - be it the UK, the US, the EU, wherever.  it's what "leaders" do, and "followers"/voters have their role too.

either one is immersed in the soup, or is somewhere outside observing it. . . and even that descriptive is incremental, as the ripples in the mind-pools extend infinitely. . .

knowing this helps diffuse the smug-gene, heh.

perspective.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment israhole
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Sheeple=useless eaters=goyim

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Well, they would not allow me to post Albert J. Nock on HuffPo.  Many thanks to the ZHer's that have shown up to post their disillusionment on the HP gun thread.  The "regular" HPers are on their heels and are being driven back.  Keep it going.

  http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/nock3b.html

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Steve in Greensboro
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Be careful.  It is writing like this that will cause you to be identified as an anti-government extremist.  And that is the sort of thing that can attract one of Obama's drones.  And I'm not talking about Eric Holder or Timmy Geithner.  I'm talking about one of the flying-exploding ones.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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No one lives forever.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Die on your feet or live on your fucking knees.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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We . don't . need . the people .

Cause . we . got . the SHEEPLE !

SHEEPLE !

SHEEPLE !

SHEEPLE !

YAY !

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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I got into argument with an attorney who told me I was an idiot if I thought the court room is about "The truth". I told her that I understand the competitive nature of the court process, but everyone should strive for a truthful outcome or the process has no Moral Authority.

Defenders of institutionalized ignorance argue constantly that truth is “relative”, and that they should not be criticized for having their own "opinions". They use this relativism as a cover for their unwillingness to admit a lack of knowledge.

Moral Relativism is an important element in the downfall of western civilization. This is why principles do not matter and liberals only focus on outcomes.

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment hyperbole2000
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Kant has the best description of a moral act.  It must piss you off to do or it is not moral (i.e 100% renunciation of personel benefit).

Example Jumping into a lake to save some &^% idiot from drowning when your wearing your best suit.

Proper reward for a moral act: instead of praise , give a saracstic complaint about taking so long.

No good deed goes unpunished is DEEP. I used to think it referred to living in world full of evil.  Kant puts a different spin on it.

 

Wed, 02/06/2013 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Shigure
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Why did you wait so long to post that comment?

(I enjoyed thinking about that one, haven't read any Kant for years)

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