Arm Syrian Rebels: CIA, Pentagon And Hillary Said Yes; Obama Just Said No

Tyler Durden's picture

It would appear the undecideds had it. The WSJ reports that a proposal to arm Syrian rebels was stalled by the White House (cough Obama cough) because of lingering questions about which rebels could be trusted with the arms, whether the transfers would make a difference in the campaign to remove Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, and whether the weapons would add to the suffering. It seems, however, that the Pentagon, the State Department, and the CIA were all gung ho for the plan last year as a Senate hearing today uncovered some of the facts (and disagreements). As WSJ notes, the disclosures thrust a spotlight on the extent to which President Barack Obama charts his own course in the face of calls to action by members of his own team, and on the extent of his caution about entering a new conflict. In the post-Kofi Annan talks break-down in June 2012, Hilary pushed to arm the rebels and the CIA said arms would "materially" affect the situation to overthrow Assad. With the introduction of Kerry, Hagel, and Brennan, the tensions may flare once again though only the latter has suggested anything but backing Obama's perspective.


Via WSJ, Obama Blocked Rebel Arms

A proposal to arm Syrian rebels was backed by the Pentagon, the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency, but the White House decided not to act on the plan.




The White House stalled the proposal because of lingering questions about which rebels could be trusted with the arms, whether the transfers would make a difference in the campaign to remove Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and whether the weapons would add to the suffering, the U.S. officials said. A U.S. official cited the findings of a CIA team of analysts, which cast doubt on the impact of arming the rebels on the conflict.


The disclosures thrust a spotlight on the extent to which President Barack Obama charts his own course in the face of calls to action by members of his own team, and on the extent of his caution about entering a new conflict. The White House declined to comment on internal administration deliberations.


In the months after the start of the conflict in Syria in March 2011, the Pentagon, the State Department and the CIA began presenting the White House with multiple options for intervening with force, covert action or arms supplies. Options have included establishing a no-fly zone, bombing Syrian aircraft in their hangars, and funneling light arms and actionable intelligence to a select group of American-vetted rebels.




A key turning point for many at the State Department came after a diplomatic initiative led by international envoy Kofi Annan broke down in June 2012, current and former officials said. The U.S. had seen the plan, which was supported by Russia and other major powers, as a breakthrough that would lead to a transitional governing body for Syria.


The deal's demise spurred support within the State Department for arming the rebels, according to U.S. officials. Mrs. Clinton joined forces with Mr. Petraeus to push for the administration to embrace a proposal for delivering arms.




As concern grew about Syrian unrest in the late summer and early fall, Mr. Panetta and Gen. Dempsey threw in their support, a position the two men kept private until Thursday's Senate hearing.


The proposal was also backed by the nation's top spy, James Clapper, the director of the National Intelligence, officials said.


Around the same time, in a reflection of the ongoing debate, a team of CIA intelligence analysts found that the introduction of U.S. arms wouldn't "materially" affect the situation on the ground or help the rebels overthrow Mr. Assad, a U.S. official said. The rebels were already getting substantial quantities of weapons from other countries, including U.S. allies in the Gulf, the official said.




The disclosures about the senior defense officials' support for the proposal came in response to sharp questions from Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) at a hearing on Thursday which was called to examine the military's response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on Americans in Benghazi, Libya, but which also delved into other foreign-policy challenges, including the conflict in Syria.


"How many more have to die before you recommend military action?" Sen. McCain asked Gen. Dempsey and Mr. Panetta, citing United Nations estimates that up to 60,000 people have been killed in the Syrian civil war. "And did you support the recommendation by…then-Secretary of State Clinton and then-head of CIA, Mr. Petraeus, that we provide weapons to the resistance in Syria?"




In Syria, rebel groups had hoped that Mr. Obama's re-election would give him the political leeway to throw greater support behind the Syrian opposition. But current and former officials said the rebels misjudged the White House, which remains reluctant to enter a new conflict.




Mr. Kerry, the new secretary of State, and Chuck Hagel, Mr. Obama's nominee to succeed Mr. Panetta at the Pentagon, are seen as more closely aligned with Mr. Obama's cautious approach to intervention in Syria than their predecessors.


But officials said John Brennan, Mr. Obama's longtime counterterrorism chief and nominee to succeed Mr. Petraeus as CIA director, could embrace greater covert action in Syria. Mr. Brennan is close to Mr. Obama and has made clear his concern about al Qaeda's growing strength in Syria.



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world_debt_slave's picture

As if they hadn't learned anything from Libya, bunch of idiots!

Gidas19's picture



shit but sheeple might get mad....



old naughty's picture

Hummmmm, so they lost their jobs...should have guessed what the Emperor (cough TOTUS cough) want.

trav777's picture

It's Valerie Jarrett.  There is some substantive rumor that the OBL raid was consistently stonewalled by Obama and that Panetta and Hitlery moved along with senior military, and just did it anyway.  This would explain why he was in the corner in a golf outfit when in the situation room.  The rumors say he was plucked off of the golf course, given a CinC jacket and told to sit down and that he was briefed basically when he got there.

LasVegasDave's picture


obama is a puppet

who killed kennedy and oswald?

otto skorzeny's picture

why LVD-your hebe Israeli bothers did because JFK didn't want  Ben-Gurion and the dirty fucks to have nukes-they did get a little help from commie russia and Meyer Lansky-of course. but we all know that the jews and commie russia were joined at the hip.

13thWarrior's picture

"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
Food Schlichter Jew
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
State Control Lander Jew
State Lands Kauffman Jew
Works V. Schmidt Jew
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Religions Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Hygiene Anvelt Jew
Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
Press Volodarski Jew
Elections Ouritski Jew
Justice I. Steinberg Jew
Refugees Fenigstein Jew
Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

GetZeeGold's picture



Has anyone taken on the task of breaking down them by tribes of Israel? I think that would be useful.


The only reason I bring that up is because the Benjaminites have always been pretty solid thinkers.

clymer's picture

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match."

The American people have been asleep for a long time, and NO ONE is protecting the American people from the machine

Big Slick's picture

I remember seeing a detailed article about Hillary and Panetta's circumventing Obama b/c/ he refused to act on the OBL intel.  They basically had to wave a massive flag to everyone in the administration so everyone would know that OBL's whereabouts were known and confirmed.  This made it impossible for BO not to act.  Enemy within.

Big Slick's picture

I am often troubled at the overwhelming support (via 'up' arrows) of anti-semetic posts on ZH.  While I never see such a posture by Tyler, the attitude of a large majority of ZH readers is disturbing.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

big slick you got hit one too many times with the stupid stick..and sorry we hurt your feelings ,facts are just things that get in the way of how it ought to be. some ethnic groups do seem over represented in finace and banking or the media and government but those facts do hurt feelings so lets just ignore it all, and keep our eyes wide shut.

exgop's picture

Big Slick

 they are smart !!!

SamAdams's picture

Good luck with that.  Members of the original tribe are scarce and those in the know are busy hiding their tracks.

Obama, cleaned house in military, financial and diplomacy.  Guess the second term will be played differently than the first.  Has he found a new master?

Totentänzerlied's picture

Stalin purged the Old Bolsheviks (including the ones who were Jewish) throughout the '30s, as well as most of the Jewish apparatchiki (among plenty of others). There isn't sufficient evidence available to prove that Stalin was paranoid nor specifically anti-Jewish, but there is evidence that he was anti-Zionist. There is a theory, without substantial evidence, that the purge was done to prevent a Jewish plot to hold a coup within the Party, but this was more likely just an Old Bolshevik plot (involving Kamenev, Zinoviev) - if it ever existed at all, which is doubtful. Kirov's assassination was taken as "proof", which immediately led to 250,000 people being thrown out of the Party (and/or arrested, imprisoned, or killed) - it was also the prelude to Ezhovschina.

Leninism may have been significantly Jewish - it was also signficantly German - but Stalinism was not, quite the contrary. I refer you to chapter 14 of Le Livre Noir du Communisme.

earleflorida's picture

and here's to you, mrs. wallenberg... Jesus luv's yu moar than u can`no?

kofi annan and his bitter-sweet 'angel of death... wifey'-- under the 'red shield' of'd, 'This`Rothschild Syndrome '?

Why Syria? Why??? Yi?? Y?

?Iranian Black Gold/ Blue Gold?

otto skorzeny's picture

O knew OBL was already dead and didn't want to be part of the fucking photo-op charade that formed the basis for that CIA POS Zero Dark Thirty. You don't think that all of Seal Team 6 is dead just 'cuz do ya-well except for the few that "wrote" the books about the raid

SamAdams's picture

The movie is a story of patriotic American heros protecting the freedoms of the good Christian people of the glorious United States of America.  Now shutup and eat your meat.

847328_3527's picture

The Secretary of State used to be a position of Diplomacy.

AnAnonymous's picture

The diplomacy of war,'american' style...

Chuck Walla's picture

Let's see.... They are killing each other over there. The nice people in the Middle East have been killing each other for one reason or another for centuries.


Obama, drone killer deluxe of the US, is "worried" about adding to the misery? 127 Afghani-Paki kids dead from drone attacks and he's concerned about what?



bobthehorse's picture

We'll give 'em guns.

And--ten years later--we'll have to go back and kill them all.

Wash.  Rinse.  Repeat.

TPTB_r_TBTF's picture

There are no free guns.


I never want to read that the muslims have stopped fighting 'mongst themselves.

I never want to read that the muslims have united.

One thing the jew overlords have right is: keeping the muslims at each other's throats.

otto skorzeny's picture

they do a pretty good job of keeping americans at one another's throats. you see-without Benny Bucks Israel is just another shitty little ME hellhole with no oil to fight over-like syria.

boogerbently's picture

How's the CIA supposed to make any beer money if they don't get the guns to sell?


GMadScientist's picture

I never want to read that the christians have stopped fighting 'mongst themselves.

I never want to read that the catholics and protestants have united.

One thing the banker overlords have right is: keeping the religious nuts at each other's throats.

All Risk No Reward's picture

I want to know who has the building tops that can crush buildings without ever contacting the building below it.

What a Gravity-Driven Demolition Looks Like

These physics laws are a bit more complex than the 5th grade math implemented in Debt Money Tyranny that is bankrupting you, but I think you can get this... 

These experiments are repeatable - anyone can do them.

Logical fallacies are just that - fallacies, so don't go there.

If you want to learn about science based analysis of th e911 tower collapses, the rest of David's videos should provide a good basis for discovery.

Big Finance Capital knows that most people will simply not believe what they find uncomfortable.  I'm not silopsic tendancies are nowhere near the level to think that my comfort level controls reality, so I use things like math and physics to lead me to conclusions.

If you want reality, you have to do the same.  Emotions are easy to manipulate and the gains from doing so are immense.  That's why $100s of billions are spent trying to manipulate you.

PS - Libya was a success...

1. New Libyan Debt Money Tyranny central bank

2. Gaddafy's gold tonnage - I bet you don't know where it is...  but I bet Big Finance Capital does!

3. Gaddafy's billions in investments...  I bet you don't know where it is...  but I bet Big Finance Capital does!

4. Iraq and Libya were taken down, so they can't flood the market with $1.00 gas (remember, BEFORE Iraq was invaded...  gas was about  $1.00/gallon in a financial bubble!).  Now supply can be manipulated and gas is at an all time high for this time of year...  Big Finance Capital gets $5.00 per gallon instead of $1.00 per gallon - much more in Europe.  Let's recap - they used America's blood, America's wealth and America's name to take out their competition so they could bill quintuple the price of oil for Americans and everyone else.

Come on, peoiple, we have to elevate our game or they are gonna take us out easy-like.

otto skorzeny's picture

i remember on 9-11 gas leapt from $1.20 a gallon to $1.80 and the IL AG investigating "price gouging" because of that jump-now it does that in a day and nobody bats an eye

All Risk No Reward's picture

The Iraq war can be viewed thusly:

1. Accelerate the bankruptcy of America

2. Pretext to annihilite liberties and set up a de facto military dictatorship where everyone lives simply because the President decided not to murder them (that's the world we live in TODAY!)

3. Eliminate the competition in the oil business so that Big Money Tyrant multinational oil companies could charge $4.50 in their engineered depression (bankrupting America and the world sooner) when they cold only charge about $1.00 during the bubble.

And they are dumb.  No, we are Muppets.

Anyone who thinks these people are dumb simply has no grasp upon reality.  And no, reality is not what lying criminals and their hatchet men tell you it is.

Hitler didn't tell German people the truth.

Stalin didn't tell Russian people the truth.

Mao didn't tell Chinese people the truth.

Are you we so childlike that we think the Debt Money Tyrants are going to tell us they are bankrupting us and setting up old fashioned authoritarian government to rule over us?

Guess what?  The Debt Money Tyrants crowd running things now helped finance and put each of those people in POWER!

“Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution [up to 80 million lives and untold torture for millions - the sick minion of death], it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose,” declared David Rockefeller. “The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

monoloco's picture

"As if they hadn't learned anything from Libya, bunch of idiots!"

Or Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cuba, Iran, Korea, considering our track record, we should just mind our own business, instesd of spending gazillions to constantly create new enemies to fight.

All Risk No Reward's picture

They learned Americans are chumps, that's what they learned.

Consider the military is a drain on the bathtub and that water is the nation's sustenance.

Sun Tzu said (paraphrase), "If you have to fight a war, end it quickly or you will bankrupt the nation."

Now, I can't do all the thinking here...  so think through that one...  if one of your key objectives is to bankrupt a nation, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

These aren't mistakes.  This is an operation.

"A man always has two reasons for doing anything: a good reason and the real reason."
~J. P. Morgan

The "good" reason is false and is used to dupe the chumps.  The real reason isn't told to you, you have to figure it out.  Or at least listen when people like me break it down for you.

These people aren't stupid, THEY RUN THE WORLD AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."
~Sun Tzu

Art of War bitchezzzz.  This is not joke.  Close to half a BILLION people die every decade because of Debt Money Tyranny and that's in down years.  Wait until this thing goes HOT!

Debt Money Tyranny - The world slayed by 5th grade math

Go to and read th efollowing:

"Propaganda" Edward Bernays

"None Dare Call it Conspiracy"

"Tragedy and Hope"

Antony Sutton's works.

In fact, get a few friends together and each one can create an abstract of each chapter in the book they've been assigned to read.

Then, when you are done abstracting your book, you have the abstracts of three or four other books to review in short order.

I learned that technique from Edward Bernays.  He'd get the 5 most en vogue books on whatever subject he had to master, he'd pay people to read the books and abstract them overnight and, in short order, he often knew more about a CEO's industry when he sat down and tried to cut a deal with him.

You know, because these people are stupid, right?

If you are lazy, search the names of the book and quotes and many of the best passages will be readily available.

Get educated, people!

If you follow an ideology - guess what, you are the problem.  You have to learn to think creatively and your conclusions should reflect your value system, not mine, not some well funded organization, not anyone's but your own.

42 Fallacies - search them and learn them so you can identify them.

DaveyJones's picture

that honor amongst thieves thing sure is a bitch. And these days, that's all they do

Dr. Engali's picture

Arm the Syrian rebels... but disarm Americans. Fuckers.

DaveyJones's picture

Growing paranoia. Every american is a potential rebel. With a closer zipcode

Rossalgondamer's picture

It is always prudent to whack those who CAN reach out (a la "The Devil")



francis_sawyer's picture

Just mail your guns to Benghazi for processing... For your cooperation, you'll receive an IKEA desk, a pair of scissors, & an Obama bobblehead...

Dr. Engali's picture

Hopefully they are at least pointy scissors so I can defend myself from homeland security's personal defense weapons.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Are those safety scissors? I am prohibited from using sharp objects.

Dr. Engali's picture

Sadly the American sheeple are so pathetically stupid, that could be a true story.

Totentänzerlied's picture

Comrade, you need reeducation!

Syrian rebels need weapons so they can carry out a revolution to topple the evil Syrian regime, then the rebel in-fighting begins, as the only thing rebels ever agree on is that they are against X,Y,Z - they have no positive program - which immediately causes to a "power vacuum", which the CIA will be on hand to "fill". Next thing you know, Syria is a "democratic republic" with favorable disposition toward the U.S.

Wash, rinse, repeat. This fascist neo-colonialism thing is easy!

holdbuysell's picture

A Broken Arrow seems to be the message from the MSM. What's up?

sangell's picture

Pains me to say it but Obama might be right here. Chaos in Syria harms no one but Syrians.

earnyermoney's picture

We started the chaos.

Article was a lie. Barry trying to wash his hands of the mayhem he created across North Africa and the Levant. Notice the bad guys are the one's leaving office. Complete farce.

Global Hunter's picture

agree earyermoney, if the story is reported in the mainstream press, it is a controlled message aka propaganda propaganda propaganda that THEY want you to believe.  It has nothing to do with the truth or journalism.

TheFineKid's picture

Agreed. I mean come on, he just told Hilary, the Pentagon and the CIA to go fuck themselves. Basically saying that we won't give anymore of these scumbags weapons. For the first time in 5 years I agree with the President.