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Arm Syrian Rebels: CIA, Pentagon And Hillary Said Yes; Obama Just Said No

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It would appear the undecideds had it. The WSJ reports that a proposal to arm Syrian rebels was stalled by the White House (cough Obama cough) because of lingering questions about which rebels could be trusted with the arms, whether the transfers would make a difference in the campaign to remove Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, and whether the weapons would add to the suffering. It seems, however, that the Pentagon, the State Department, and the CIA were all gung ho for the plan last year as a Senate hearing today uncovered some of the facts (and disagreements). As WSJ notes, the disclosures thrust a spotlight on the extent to which President Barack Obama charts his own course in the face of calls to action by members of his own team, and on the extent of his caution about entering a new conflict. In the post-Kofi Annan talks break-down in June 2012, Hilary pushed to arm the rebels and the CIA said arms would "materially" affect the situation to overthrow Assad. With the introduction of Kerry, Hagel, and Brennan, the tensions may flare once again though only the latter has suggested anything but backing Obama's perspective.

 

Via WSJ, Obama Blocked Rebel Arms

A proposal to arm Syrian rebels was backed by the Pentagon, the State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency, but the White House decided not to act on the plan.

 

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The White House stalled the proposal because of lingering questions about which rebels could be trusted with the arms, whether the transfers would make a difference in the campaign to remove Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and whether the weapons would add to the suffering, the U.S. officials said. A U.S. official cited the findings of a CIA team of analysts, which cast doubt on the impact of arming the rebels on the conflict.

 

The disclosures thrust a spotlight on the extent to which President Barack Obama charts his own course in the face of calls to action by members of his own team, and on the extent of his caution about entering a new conflict. The White House declined to comment on internal administration deliberations.

 

In the months after the start of the conflict in Syria in March 2011, the Pentagon, the State Department and the CIA began presenting the White House with multiple options for intervening with force, covert action or arms supplies. Options have included establishing a no-fly zone, bombing Syrian aircraft in their hangars, and funneling light arms and actionable intelligence to a select group of American-vetted rebels.

 

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A key turning point for many at the State Department came after a diplomatic initiative led by international envoy Kofi Annan broke down in June 2012, current and former officials said. The U.S. had seen the plan, which was supported by Russia and other major powers, as a breakthrough that would lead to a transitional governing body for Syria.

 

The deal's demise spurred support within the State Department for arming the rebels, according to U.S. officials. Mrs. Clinton joined forces with Mr. Petraeus to push for the administration to embrace a proposal for delivering arms.

 

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As concern grew about Syrian unrest in the late summer and early fall, Mr. Panetta and Gen. Dempsey threw in their support, a position the two men kept private until Thursday's Senate hearing.

 

The proposal was also backed by the nation's top spy, James Clapper, the director of the National Intelligence, officials said.

 

Around the same time, in a reflection of the ongoing debate, a team of CIA intelligence analysts found that the introduction of U.S. arms wouldn't "materially" affect the situation on the ground or help the rebels overthrow Mr. Assad, a U.S. official said. The rebels were already getting substantial quantities of weapons from other countries, including U.S. allies in the Gulf, the official said.

 

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The disclosures about the senior defense officials' support for the proposal came in response to sharp questions from Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) at a hearing on Thursday which was called to examine the military's response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on Americans in Benghazi, Libya, but which also delved into other foreign-policy challenges, including the conflict in Syria.

 

"How many more have to die before you recommend military action?" Sen. McCain asked Gen. Dempsey and Mr. Panetta, citing United Nations estimates that up to 60,000 people have been killed in the Syrian civil war. "And did you support the recommendation by…then-Secretary of State Clinton and then-head of CIA, Mr. Petraeus, that we provide weapons to the resistance in Syria?"

 

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In Syria, rebel groups had hoped that Mr. Obama's re-election would give him the political leeway to throw greater support behind the Syrian opposition. But current and former officials said the rebels misjudged the White House, which remains reluctant to enter a new conflict.

 

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Mr. Kerry, the new secretary of State, and Chuck Hagel, Mr. Obama's nominee to succeed Mr. Panetta at the Pentagon, are seen as more closely aligned with Mr. Obama's cautious approach to intervention in Syria than their predecessors.

 

But officials said John Brennan, Mr. Obama's longtime counterterrorism chief and nominee to succeed Mr. Petraeus as CIA director, could embrace greater covert action in Syria. Mr. Brennan is close to Mr. Obama and has made clear his concern about al Qaeda's growing strength in Syria.

 

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Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:50 | 3225070 world_debt_slave
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As if they hadn't learned anything from Libya, bunch of idiots!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:02 | 3225104 Gidas19
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TAKE AWAY GUN RIGHTS FROM AMERIKAN CITIZENZZS AND GIVEM TO SYRIANZSS!!! CHANGE!!! OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!!

 

shit but sheeple might get mad....

 

B.H.O.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:21 | 3225143 goldfish1
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Hillary - bleccch.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:50 | 3225183 old naughty
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Hummmmm, so they lost their jobs...should have guessed what the Emperor (cough TOTUS cough) want.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:20 | 3225222 trav777
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It's Valerie Jarrett.  There is some substantive rumor that the OBL raid was consistently stonewalled by Obama and that Panetta and Hitlery moved along with senior military, and just did it anyway.  This would explain why he was in the corner in a golf outfit when in the situation room.  The rumors say he was plucked off of the golf course, given a CinC jacket and told to sit down and that he was briefed basically when he got there.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:31 | 3225265 LasVegasDave
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LMFAO

obama is a puppet

who killed kennedy and oswald?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:51 | 3225269 otto skorzeny
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why LVD-your hebe Israeli bothers did because JFK didn't want  Ben-Gurion and the dirty fucks to have nukes-they did get a little help from commie russia and Meyer Lansky-of course. but we all know that the jews and commie russia were joined at the hip.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:05 | 3225295 13thWarrior
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"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY
President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
Food Schlichter Jew
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
State Control Lander Jew
State Lands Kauffman Jew
Works V. Schmidt Jew
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Religions Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Hygiene Anvelt Jew
Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
Press Volodarski Jew
Elections Ouritski Jew
Justice I. Steinberg Jew
Refugees Fenigstein Jew
Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

 

http://www.cephas-library.com/israel/israel_communism_was_jewish.html

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 07:25 | 3225365 GetZeeGold
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Has anyone taken on the task of breaking down them by tribes of Israel? I think that would be useful.

 

The only reason I bring that up is because the Benjaminites have always been pretty solid thinkers.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:46 | 3225438 clymer
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"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match."

The American people have been asleep for a long time, and NO ONE is protecting the American people from the machine


Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:51 | 3225723 Big Slick
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I remember seeing a detailed article about Hillary and Panetta's circumventing Obama b/c/ he refused to act on the OBL intel.  They basically had to wave a massive flag to everyone in the administration so everyone would know that OBL's whereabouts were known and confirmed.  This made it impossible for BO not to act.  Enemy within.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:56 | 3225744 Big Slick
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I am often troubled at the overwhelming support (via 'up' arrows) of anti-semetic posts on ZH.  While I never see such a posture by Tyler, the attitude of a large majority of ZH readers is disturbing.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 11:19 | 3225827 overmedicatedun...
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big slick you got hit one too many times with the stupid stick..and sorry we hurt your feelings ,facts are just things that get in the way of how it ought to be. some ethnic groups do seem over represented in finace and banking or the media and government but those facts do hurt feelings so lets just ignore it all, and keep our eyes wide shut.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 14:56 | 3226590 exgop
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Big Slick

 they are smart !!!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 15:04 | 3226622 exgop
Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:21 | 3225625 SamAdams
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Good luck with that.  Members of the original tribe are scarce and those in the know are busy hiding their tracks.

Obama, cleaned house in military, financial and diplomacy.  Guess the second term will be played differently than the first.  Has he found a new master?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 15:46 | 3226782 Totentänzerlied
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Stalin purged the Old Bolsheviks (including the ones who were Jewish) throughout the '30s, as well as most of the Jewish apparatchiki (among plenty of others). There isn't sufficient evidence available to prove that Stalin was paranoid nor specifically anti-Jewish, but there is evidence that he was anti-Zionist. There is a theory, without substantial evidence, that the purge was done to prevent a Jewish plot to hold a coup within the Party, but this was more likely just an Old Bolshevik plot (involving Kamenev, Zinoviev) - if it ever existed at all, which is doubtful. Kirov's assassination was taken as "proof", which immediately led to 250,000 people being thrown out of the Party (and/or arrested, imprisoned, or killed) - it was also the prelude to Ezhovschina.

Leninism may have been significantly Jewish - it was also signficantly German - but Stalinism was not, quite the contrary. I refer you to chapter 14 of Le Livre Noir du Communisme.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:27 | 3228101 earleflorida
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and here's to you, mrs. wallenberg... Jesus luv's yu moar than u can`no?

kofi annan and his bitter-sweet 'angel of death... wifey'-- under the 'red shield' of destruction...call'd, 'This`Rothschild Syndrome '?

Why Syria? Why??? Yi?? Y?

?Iranian Black Gold/ Blue Gold?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=230491.0

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:38 | 3225266 otto skorzeny
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O knew OBL was already dead and didn't want to be part of the fucking photo-op charade that formed the basis for that CIA POS Zero Dark Thirty. You don't think that all of Seal Team 6 is dead just 'cuz do ya-well except for the few that "wrote" the books about the raid

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:27 | 3225647 SamAdams
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The movie is a story of patriotic American heros protecting the freedoms of the good Christian people of the glorious United States of America.  Now shutup and eat your meat.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:18 | 3225219 847328_3527
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The Secretary of State used to be a position of Diplomacy.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:48 | 3225319 AnAnonymous
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The diplomacy of war,'american' style...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:55 | 3225740 ItchyBeard
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Gun boat diplomacy!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:51 | 3225551 Chuck Walla
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Let's see.... They are killing each other over there. The nice people in the Middle East have been killing each other for one reason or another for centuries.

 

Obama, drone killer deluxe of the US, is "worried" about adding to the misery? 127 Afghani-Paki kids dead from drone attacks and he's concerned about what?

 

FORWARD SOVIET!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:38 | 3225163 bobthehorse
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We'll give 'em guns.

And--ten years later--we'll have to go back and kill them all.

Wash.  Rinse.  Repeat.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/friday.html

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:31 | 3225231 TPTB_r_TBTF
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There are no free guns.

 

I never want to read that the muslims have stopped fighting 'mongst themselves.

I never want to read that the muslims have united.

One thing the jew overlords have right is: keeping the muslims at each other's throats.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:45 | 3225272 otto skorzeny
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they do a pretty good job of keeping americans at one another's throats. you see-without Benny Bucks Israel is just another shitty little ME hellhole with no oil to fight over-like syria.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:58 | 3225279 boogerbently
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How's the CIA supposed to make any beer money if they don't get the guns to sell?

Sheesh.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:33 | 3225663 GMadScientist
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I never want to read that the christians have stopped fighting 'mongst themselves.

I never want to read that the catholics and protestants have united.

One thing the banker overlords have right is: keeping the religious nuts at each other's throats.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:53 | 3225188 All Risk No Reward
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I want to know who has the building tops that can crush buildings without ever contacting the building below it.

What a Gravity-Driven Demolition Looks Like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiHeCjZlkr8&list=UUxvGFyCUkbMk4pB0C-AUJw...

These physics laws are a bit more complex than the 5th grade math implemented in Debt Money Tyranny that is bankrupting you, but I think you can get this... 

These experiments are repeatable - anyone can do them.

Logical fallacies are just that - fallacies, so don't go there.

If you want to learn about science based analysis of th e911 tower collapses, the rest of David's videos should provide a good basis for discovery.

https://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

Big Finance Capital knows that most people will simply not believe what they find uncomfortable.  I'm not silopsic tendancies are nowhere near the level to think that my comfort level controls reality, so I use things like math and physics to lead me to conclusions.

If you want reality, you have to do the same.  Emotions are easy to manipulate and the gains from doing so are immense.  That's why $100s of billions are spent trying to manipulate you.

PS - Libya was a success...

1. New Libyan Debt Money Tyranny central bank

2. Gaddafy's gold tonnage - I bet you don't know where it is...  but I bet Big Finance Capital does!

3. Gaddafy's billions in investments...  I bet you don't know where it is...  but I bet Big Finance Capital does!

4. Iraq and Libya were taken down, so they can't flood the market with $1.00 gas (remember, BEFORE Iraq was invaded...  gas was about  $1.00/gallon in a financial bubble!).  Now supply can be manipulated and gas is at an all time high for this time of year...  Big Finance Capital gets $5.00 per gallon instead of $1.00 per gallon - much more in Europe.  Let's recap - they used America's blood, America's wealth and America's name to take out their competition so they could bill quintuple the price of oil for Americans and everyone else.

Come on, peoiple, we have to elevate our game or they are gonna take us out easy-like.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:54 | 3225276 otto skorzeny
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i remember on 9-11 gas leapt from $1.20 a gallon to $1.80 and the IL AG investigating "price gouging" because of that jump-now it does that in a day and nobody bats an eye

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 05:23 | 3228259 All Risk No Reward
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The Iraq war can be viewed thusly:

1. Accelerate the bankruptcy of America

2. Pretext to annihilite liberties and set up a de facto military dictatorship where everyone lives simply because the President decided not to murder them (that's the world we live in TODAY!)

3. Eliminate the competition in the oil business so that Big Money Tyrant multinational oil companies could charge $4.50 in their engineered depression (bankrupting America and the world sooner) when they cold only charge about $1.00 during the bubble.

And they are dumb.  No, we are Muppets.

Anyone who thinks these people are dumb simply has no grasp upon reality.  And no, reality is not what lying criminals and their hatchet men tell you it is.

Hitler didn't tell German people the truth.

Stalin didn't tell Russian people the truth.

Mao didn't tell Chinese people the truth.

Are you we so childlike that we think the Debt Money Tyrants are going to tell us they are bankrupting us and setting up old fashioned authoritarian government to rule over us?

Guess what?  The Debt Money Tyrants crowd running things now helped finance and put each of those people in POWER!

“Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution [up to 80 million lives and untold torture for millions - the sick minion of death], it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose,” declared David Rockefeller. “The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.”

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 20:14 | 3227664 monoloco
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"As if they hadn't learned anything from Libya, bunch of idiots!"

Or Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cuba, Iran, Korea, considering our track record, we should just mind our own business, instesd of spending gazillions to constantly create new enemies to fight.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:25 | 3228255 All Risk No Reward
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They learned Americans are chumps, that's what they learned.

Consider the military is a drain on the bathtub and that water is the nation's sustenance.

Sun Tzu said (paraphrase), "If you have to fight a war, end it quickly or you will bankrupt the nation."

Now, I can't do all the thinking here...  so think through that one...  if one of your key objectives is to bankrupt a nation, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

These aren't mistakes.  This is an operation.

"A man always has two reasons for doing anything: a good reason and the real reason."
~J. P. Morgan

The "good" reason is false and is used to dupe the chumps.  The real reason isn't told to you, you have to figure it out.  Or at least listen when people like me break it down for you.

These people aren't stupid, THEY RUN THE WORLD AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT!

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."
~Sun Tzu

Art of War bitchezzzz.  This is not joke.  Close to half a BILLION people die every decade because of Debt Money Tyranny and that's in down years.  Wait until this thing goes HOT!

Debt Money Tyranny - The world slayed by 5th grade math

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Go to archive.org and read th efollowing:

"Propaganda" Edward Bernays

"None Dare Call it Conspiracy"

"Tragedy and Hope"

Antony Sutton's works.

In fact, get a few friends together and each one can create an abstract of each chapter in the book they've been assigned to read.

Then, when you are done abstracting your book, you have the abstracts of three or four other books to review in short order.

I learned that technique from Edward Bernays.  He'd get the 5 most en vogue books on whatever subject he had to master, he'd pay people to read the books and abstract them overnight and, in short order, he often knew more about a CEO's industry when he sat down and tried to cut a deal with him.

You know, because these people are stupid, right?

If you are lazy, startpage.com search the names of the book and quotes and many of the best passages will be readily available.

Get educated, people!

If you follow an ideology - guess what, you are the problem.  You have to learn to think creatively and your conclusions should reflect your value system, not mine, not some well funded organization, not anyone's but your own.

TriviumEducation.com

42 Fallacies - search them and learn them so you can identify them.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:51 | 3225072 DaveyJones
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that honor amongst thieves thing sure is a bitch. And these days, that's all they do

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:51 | 3225075 Dr. Engali
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Arm the Syrian rebels... but disarm Americans. Fuckers.

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:53 | 3225081 DaveyJones
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Growing paranoia. Every american is a potential rebel. With a closer zipcode

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:24 | 3225147 Rossalgondamer
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It is always prudent to whack those who CAN reach out (a la "The Devil")

 

 

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:54 | 3225083 francis_sawyer
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Just mail your guns to Benghazi for processing... For your cooperation, you'll receive an IKEA desk, a pair of scissors, & an Obama bobblehead...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:07 | 3225117 Dr. Engali
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Hopefully they are at least pointy scissors so I can defend myself from homeland security's personal defense weapons.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:01 | 3225197 A Nanny Moose
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Are those safety scissors? I am prohibited from using sharp objects.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:04 | 3225106 Alpo for Granny
Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:10 | 3225123 Dr. Engali
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Sadly the American sheeple are so pathetically stupid, that could be a true story.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 16:07 | 3226869 Totentänzerlied
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Comrade, you need reeducation!

Syrian rebels need weapons so they can carry out a revolution to topple the evil Syrian regime, then the rebel in-fighting begins, as the only thing rebels ever agree on is that they are against X,Y,Z - they have no positive program - which immediately causes to a "power vacuum", which the CIA will be on hand to "fill". Next thing you know, Syria is a "democratic republic" with favorable disposition toward the U.S.

Wash, rinse, repeat. This fascist neo-colonialism thing is easy!

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:52 | 3225079 holdbuysell
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A Broken Arrow seems to be the message from the MSM. What's up?

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:52 | 3225080 sangell
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Pains me to say it but Obama might be right here. Chaos in Syria harms no one but Syrians.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:06 | 3225113 earnyermoney
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We started the chaos.

Article was a lie. Barry trying to wash his hands of the mayhem he created across North Africa and the Levant. Notice the bad guys are the one's leaving office. Complete farce.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:25 | 3225304 Global Hunter
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agree earyermoney, if the story is reported in the mainstream press, it is a controlled message aka propaganda propaganda propaganda that THEY want you to believe.  It has nothing to do with the truth or journalism.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:20 | 3225140 TheFineKid
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Agreed. I mean come on, he just told Hilary, the Pentagon and the CIA to go fuck themselves. Basically saying that we won't give anymore of these scumbags weapons. For the first time in 5 years I agree with the President.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:28 | 3225229 Raymond Reason
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It's all theater, designed to look like collective soul searching among the puppets.   I'd like to see close up photos of the rifles rebels are already carrying.    

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:47 | 3225242 W74
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Photos don't matter, they'll blame it on the Iranians (those freedom-loving mountain-dwelling bastrards, how dare they want to be left alone!!!) and claim that they're exporting/smuggling weapons to terrorist groups.

Never mind that the US has created more armed milias and more "terrorists" than any other country on the planet combined.  With all the dead from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc. from our wars and/or drone strikes you'd be hard pressed to find a man who hasn't lost relatives.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:24 | 3225638 SeanJKerrigan
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We also have to ask ourselves, why are we hearing about this now, not only in the WSJ but in the NYT as well?  They wanted that story there. This is psyops.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:51 | 3225721 Shell Game
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"This is psyops"

 

Exactly. The deed has already been done. Time to repair relations with his lib milk cows listening to NPR...

 

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:59 | 3225089 GeorgeHayduke
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Considering their past involvement with despots, dictators and goon squads, it might be a good idea to oppose the idea if the CIA, Pentagon and State Dept. want to do it,

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:59 | 3225090 dick cheneys ghost
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What did Bibi say?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:40 | 3225169 otto skorzeny
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I'll say one thing for O-he doesn't tongue Israeli balls like Congress and the CIA and Hillary

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:09 | 3225470 BigJim
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But he doesn't bite them off, either

Thu, 02/07/2013 - 23:59 | 3225091 Seasmoke
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Send in the ex-LA Cop...... How about that guy , he has a plan and is on a mission. Has the guys in costumes running scared. Interesting times we live in.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:10 | 3225121 earnyermoney
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how bout those clowns in the costumes opening fire on 2 women in a bright blue SUV when the suspect is a large male driving a gray SUV. Reminds me of NYPD's finest shooting all those tourists.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:11 | 3225209 seek
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Even better than that, they shot another truck up a block away -- responding to the shots-fired call caused by the officers shooting the women. Keystone Kops.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:47 | 3225165 otto skorzeny
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nobody bullies the bully boys-and from what I've read LA cops and sheriffs(google jump out boys) are the dirtiest fuckers in the bunch. this guy could do some damage-he's got barrett .50 cals and silencers and all kinds of shit. that's why I don't get when people say it's impossible to destabilize the US internally-I don't think it would take much.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:01 | 3225098 Troy Ounce
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Great story!

So Obama is the good guy, the one with the Nobel Prize who can't stand violence and who puts his foot down?

Hahahaha!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:25 | 3225224 trav777
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lol sure

in reality he is a narcissist homo who cannot deal with rejection or disapproval.  He's hollow.  His daddy didn't love him and his mom was a wacko.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:26 | 3225262 ThirdWorldDude
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In other words, Big O's daddy was a hamster and his momma smelled like shrubberies.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:23 | 3225302 AnAnonymous
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Ah, 'americans'... Their capacity to deny the most obvious fact is unmatched and will remain so.

Your typical 'American' president Obama overode decisions by both the CIA, the Pentagon and the State department.

But onto that, he can not deal with rejection and disapproval.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:33 | 3225661 SamAdams
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Correction - His "daddies" didn't love him.  Maybe that's why he shoots skeet level with the horizion?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:35 | 3225669 GMadScientist
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What's Cheney's excuse?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:31 | 3225309 AnAnonymous
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So Obama is the good guy,
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From an 'american' point of view, he is the bad guy as he turned down an opportunity to step up a conflict in an orderly manner.

Quite sad, from an 'american' mood actually.

One could wonder if he can not be impeached for this act and try for treason to the great 'american' ideals.

No surprise he is backed up by this 'american' with a horse face, the speed boat guy...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:05 | 3225110 Meat Hammer
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There's more money in financing an all-out war than just giving guns to peasants.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:20 | 3225138 Yen Cross
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 My "blood clot" is impeding my ability to make an abdject decision.  (uncle bill said so) dreaming...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:35 | 3225671 GMadScientist
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You're a big girl now!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:24 | 3225146 jonjon831983
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hmmm interesting, so obama trying to fight the power?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:29 | 3225153 the grateful un...
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this constant game of good cop bad cop annoys me. in the first place these people never talk out of school, UNLESS they want to score political points. for some reason Obama wants to wash the blood off his hands, and what's the reason for that? recent budget talks suggest the house GOP is ready to compromise, but don't believe that. they might give him more room on the debt ceiling but crucify him in some other way. Clinton seems to be on top of things too, then he was impeached, he missed a chance to take out Bin Laden, and Bush got elected. hubris is a nasty equalizer.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:31 | 3225155 thisandthat
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If no, how will he create nextgen AlQaida?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:42 | 3225159 otto skorzeny
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I can't stand O (good call on this one but syria has no oil-so who fucking cars right?)- but this planet would be nuked 50x over if that fucking nutjob McCain was in charge.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:39 | 3225268 Joseph Jones
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McCain's daddy was a judge, the man most responsible for insuring the Jews got away scot free after murdering US Sailors on the USS Liberty.  In "Israel" (AKA Palestine) they'll name schools after McCain after he dies and goes to hell where he richly belongs.   

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:49 | 3225181 JLee2027
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Because it worked so well before in Afganistan and South Vietnam.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:37 | 3225674 GMadScientist
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And the Phillipines, and Japan, and China, and Guatemala, and Nicaragua, and El Salvador, and...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:55 | 3225184 Yen Cross
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 Tall Hat no Cattle!  LetsRide  llc.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:01 | 3225195 Poor Grogman
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More flexibility after the election ?

Or just bigger fish to fry elsewhere?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:11 | 3225210 WTFUD
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Does Anyone have Nick Cages number as i want him as lead in Mongrels of War a sequel to Lord! This Maghreb Suhel is the future World Trade Center with enough drug, weapon and human traffic deals across 10+ desert borders. Considering a MASH type series a collaboration of various rebel groups, United PEACE Forces and Tinsel Town.
Goldman & JPM could open a book of rising premiums on failed french hostage attempts a by product of their uranium assets in Niger and western africa.
The new columbian/ cia drug new drug routes will need additional security.
have fun

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:28 | 3225228 q99x2
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They should have asked the Rothschild's what they decided to do.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:29 | 3225230 disabledvet
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Been told I "went too far" again today so apologies for the "über rant" I gave earlier. Does anyone care about the "ten million not currently employed" but who used to be contributing mightily to our economy? I really wish the folks who got all our money could speak with the clarity of the Fed Chairman about the moral imperative of job creation "in an Age of Moral Hazard." Love might be "never having to say you're sorry" but trying to create growth in this economy isn't. Insofar as "to he'll with Syria" I've certainly made my feelings known via a via "the hard core" and the President's nominee (Senator Chuck Hagel) for defense secretary. While I hated the way the Republican's questioned this true war hero and amazing American success story's patriotism I really have to agree with Senator McCain et al on "the Syria thing." Clearly we have a moral obligation to help Jordan and Turkey deal with the 100's of thousands of refugees now parked inside their country. Not least because that seems like prime recruiting grounds for extremists. I still love this President's story...always will...but this start to his second term has really lost me. I'm wondering if "it's lost the President himself" as well. The pure politicization of the totality of the policies strikes me as very out of touch with not only how DC actually works but with the President's supporters and those rooting for his success. It sure makes me wonder who's writing the speeches and who's organizing the calendar. It just doesn't sound like the "President" of the last four years. Anywho we clearly cannot let those chemical weapons fall into the wrong hands. This Administration has openly called for and worked towards Assad's removal. Seems to me "too late to turn back now." I can't imagine Wall Street in general or New York City in particular thinking any different. Israel is clearly threatened by those WMD's. I know this isn't popular here but I would love to see General Petraeus run for President in four years. I think our failure to lead in the Middle East is on the verge of having catastrophic consequences.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:49 | 3225322 CharlieSDT
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No dude, it's our constant meddling in the Middle East that is the cause of these catastrophic consequences that are now unavoidable.

 

www.singledudetravel.com

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:14 | 3225480 BigJim
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You still read disabledvet's posts?

I have instituted a new rule: if someone can't be bothered to make their thoughts readable, I can't be bothered to read them..

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:16 | 3225487 Ghordius
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you are a principled carriage-return nazi, eh? +1

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 01:38 | 3225234 W74
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There's really only two things to consider here: How much can be made off of these sales; and how can we put in place who will benefit our regime (well, our Israeli overlords at least) for the time being.

The innocent children killed, the second and third order of effects, spillover across any of Syria's 6 borders, and whether these weapons will one day be used against Americans either here or abroad, are all but the most trifiling of concerns.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:24 | 3225261 walcott
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riiight!!!! 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:27 | 3225263 walcott
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Maybe it was somebody from the pentagon maybe it was just CIA or maybe someone who just wanted to give Al Qaeda strategic weapons. Does it really matter anymore anyway? Who the hell really cares either?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 02:59 | 3225277 torak
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Those guberment folks don't get it yet?  Heck, a four year old could develop better strategy than a PhD in a RAND Corp think tank.

Here: History 101

You give Stinger missiles the the Mujahedin to battle the Russians.  Russia comes to it's senses and vacates Afghanistan.  Some idiots (not naming names) come up with the bright idea to invade Afghanistan.  Mujahedin (aka, The Taliban) use said Stinger missiles on US aircraft.

Pull the same strategy out of the closet, wash/rinse, and reuse in Syria. 

Then you wonder why so many of us have no faith in the ability of these morons to govern their way to an outhouse without falling through the hole.  Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 03:57 | 3225291 Hobbleknee
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What drama!  They already armed the Syrians!!!!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:10 | 3225298 Zwelgje
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WSJ? Whatever.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:27 | 3225305 AnAnonymous
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Too bad this piece of information was not released before the election.

'Americans' never shy away from a good war and that a candidate to re election was chickening out would have been enough to get the other guy elected.

'American' history holds to a weak string...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:28 | 3225306 dunce
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There is no way that we could control the outcome after Assad is deposed and he will be deposed without any of our help though i believe we are involved in much more than some missiles in Turkey. No matter who comes out on top there , they will be dedicated to our destruction. We can not win, so why play. We  could probably speed his fall, but to what end? Arabs use wars to control the population of malcontents in their own country as well as whatever else they might gain or retain. The Iran/Iraq war got rid of hundreds of thousands of problematic men on both sides and neither side won anything. If they did not get the young men involved in killing other people they would turn on their own rulers. The morons think they are allahs army, but they are just making the rich arabs super rich. Muslims tithe to the mosque in addition to govt. taxes so clerics have huge sums of money at their disposal and no audits. It is just a matter of time until they have skimmed enough to have huge wealth and control of profitable businesses while pretending to be holy men when in fact they are little different than our TV evangelists. They have the worst of both worlds, corrupt church and state.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:29 | 3225308 lolmao500
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This is BS to make it look like Obama loves peace. Total psy-ops.

Fact is, the US have been training, arming and funding the rebels for months.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 05:00 | 3225326 AnAnonymous
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Not at all. 'Americans' are those people who would want to read this move as a peace move.
That is their taste for fantasy that leads them to flee from the most immediate reality.

Reality: war is already in Syria. Check the news. There is no peace.

What the 'american' Obama can be accused with: rejecting an increase in war.

And from an 'american' point of view, it is a high crime. Probably worth the death penalty.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:47 | 3225312 NuYawkFrankie
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Could Obama - at last - be growing a REAL pair?

Possibly: with a right one called Chuck and a left one called Hagel

 

Geez... I'd even cut Obama some slack on droning Americans - if Hillary was top of the list - with  & Donald McNasty in second spot.

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 04:56 | 3225325 AnAnonymous
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A pair of what?

Very quickly, 'americans' will judge this move as being one of an appeaser.

Obama, as your typical 'american' president, just schemes.

No matter the outcome, the King class aka We The People aka the 'american' middle class will shed responsibility on their servants, be they elected political personal or corporation high management.

Obama just looks like your 'american' president who is about to retire in three years. Just like any servant of the 'american' middle class, he wants out the easy and calm way.

It seems that 'american' domino theory is quite sought in this area of the world as 'americans' know no other way to hide the shortcomings of 'americanism' than utter chaos.

Stay tuned, 'american' destabilization of the world to keep attention focused on anything but 'americanism' will keep going.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 06:30 | 3225345 NuYawkFrankie
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Re A Pair Of What?         A pair of Borrox.

And Happy New Year to my  Kosher Chinaman citizenism fLend.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 05:23 | 3225331 Peter Pan
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This is a truly funny story. But let me get this straight..........Hillary wants to arm the rebels and disarm US citizens. Of course that makes sense.......I'm just not with the program as yet.

 

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 06:01 | 3225340 radicall
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Anywhere US has provided weapons - they end up getting used against us eventually after the conflict is over. 

 

Smart man that Obama - finally someone is realizing what happens to those weapons when the conflict ends. (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya as examples)

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 07:52 | 3225381 overmedicatedun...
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gotta love the lapping up of this "news"..sure the obuma stopped arms going to the ME..LOL just look at his recent history or ask the dead ruler of lybia,, can't cure stupid.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 06:57 | 3225352 Whats that smell
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Hey, McCain your chosing VP not a quickie in the sack?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 07:12 | 3225359 WhiteNight123129
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GOOD CALL BARACK, RON PAUL WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME. STAY AWAY FROM TROUBLE.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 07:51 | 3225380 acrabbe
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Hmm... have you guys heard about what's going on in LA right now? The man-hunt of the the former Navy special forces veteran Christopher Dorner who wrote the manifesto exposing corruption in the LAPD? Shot 3 cops... Cops have shot up a bunch of unarmed asian and white civilians in retaliation. Appears they have a bounty out on his head. His manifesto is pretty fucking moving, one way or the other. Could be a black swan revolution wise, which will not be televeised.I would recommend fight club members read the manifesto. This is your real life Tyler Durden... Falling Down except he's not white, and he's a (good guy) cop exposing bad cops. Uh oh...

I'm surpised zerohedge is slow to publicize this given its significance.

http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-sho...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:30 | 3225412 Monedas
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No matter how much money and education we throw at these niggers .... they will always be one hair trigger pull away from reverting to their gorilla with boots inner self-loathing selves ?  Take a good honest look at the African reality ? African voices .... LOL !

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:30 | 3225424 acrabbe
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you have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't a race issue. The guy was a veteran. He became a cop and was setup and fired because he was a good cop in the department ratting on crooked cops. After they ruined his law enforement AND military career (he lost top secret clearances in the Nacy) he went off the reservation, wrote a manifesto exposing the depth of LAPD corruption and is now is a guerilla war with the LAPD.

Monedas the worthless shill? Monedas the fool who speaks before he has knowledge of which he is speaking? I don't know you are you someone who is respected? You're talking like a cunt...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:33 | 3225429 samsara
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Your not even a good troll.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:42 | 3225434 Monedas
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I'm trying to make a name for myself .... as the MDB of race issues .... my own little niche !

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:21 | 3225491 Green Horse
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While LAPD and SF Harbor Police are walking around with SUPPRESSED AR15s. They need those why? Change the uniforms a little, drop them into any good tin-pot dictatorship...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 12:27 | 3225993 lakecity55
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What you should take notice of is that one trained operative has all the cops running scared, no fire discipline, shooting civilians, and generally flummoxed with their thumbs up their ass. Now, how do you think these idiots are going to fare against a group of organized citizens who decide they are not giving up their gunz?

Do not let the State fool you into thinking they are invincible. They are Not.

Right now, 50 pissed off civilians with basic training could take out half these cops and steal their weapons and gear.

That is how thin the veneer of control is.

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:39 | 3225680 slackrabbit
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wow the lapd must be crapping themselves...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:01 | 3225390 PMakoi
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/14/footage-of-wmd-stockpiles-uncovered-in-libya-defense-ministry-assures-theyre-in-the-safe-hands-of-rebels/

I'd take a guess that there is evidence about to come out that some of these gas WMDs turned up in a Turkish port, and were being prepared for shipment to Syria.  Even after Benghazi, there were continued "reports" that intoned Assad's willingness/wantoness to use poison gas.  I'd take another guess that Putin has these photographs/evidence.  Obama is getting ready to throw his former crew under the bus.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:07 | 3225397 Cult of Criminality
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Oh... more obama drama.

About as interesting as a halftime NFL Cult production.

I would much rather watch frost melt off solar panels.No frost today

First I come to Zerohedge.Then I rofl...only because of the sheer reality they present of the, everyday 24-7 relentless corruption and fraud being hammered on the people around the solar system .Not that i like the reality of it but that so many people like to lick boots...

 Cheers and good day

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:15 | 3225400 Monedas
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There is no "Good Guys" in this Syrian war !  Let them liquidate each other .... give just enough aid to the losing side .... to keep the "pacification" going .... make my Jews look like saints .... can a Joo be a saint .... that's funny !

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 09:00 | 3225455 shovelhead
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Yup,

The first batch were distincly Jewish. They just got bigger hats when they became Saints.

It's like the Mickey Mouse club...It ain't official til you get your Mouse ears.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:23 | 3225408 lakecity55
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How about the coalition to depose Assad fell apart with unexpected resistance from Russia and Iran?

Boy Hero is now throwing his underlings under the bus since the scheme fizzled in order to look Decisive and Presidential. Despite an official photo released of him during the Ben Ghazi fubar, the minions are now telling us, "uh we don't know where he was, yeah, he had no input during the battle and Stevens' murder, yep, it's all our fault."

Any blame for loose WMDs, MANPADS, or CWs can be blamed on his minions, while he accepts his new orders from TPTB via Ms Jarrett, dual Iranian citizen and Controller.

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:39 | 3225679 SamAdams
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I didn't realize Jarrett was a dual citizen.

My platform resolution at the precinct meeting last night was "To ban dual-citizens from serving in Congress.  Existing appointments grandfathered in."  Raised a few eyebrows at the meeting.  Seems most of our local Republican leaders haven't a clue that citizens of foreign countries shape the laws of the United States. 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 12:17 | 3225973 lakecity55
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She was born in Iran while her father worked as a doctor there. Her father, a communist sympathizer, was a known associate of F. Marshall Davis, the mentor of BHO.

He even wrote a screed for one of the Chicago papers and was quoted after the fall of the USSR as one of the American communists who was not giving up on communism after its collapse in the USSR.

BHO was groomed by this cadre of operatives, including the father of Wm. Ayers, who helped pay for his education and start in Chicago. It includes a group of very wealthy, leftist Jews (Axlerod is one of their operatives).

BHO is the result of a plan and a set of events which came together favorably for this group of wealthy, established Marxists with the ability to create the documents and legend, or background, to push BHO forward under their direction, into the political arena and elected office.

Chicago is the nexus of where the communist and Islamic fellow travelers came together to fight for a common goal. You now see the result in the number of Leftists and Islamics appointed a czars and advisors in the administration, DHS, etc.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 15:56 | 3226821 Joseph Jones
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Michael Chertoff is also dual-citizen Israeli, member "Chabad Lubavitch", of the most caustic evil branches of Judaism.  When Chertoff was US Attorney he framed Trafficant and imprisoned him for speaking against the God-state Israel.  The Rabbis ordered their slave Bush to award Chertoff with promotion, which the good Jew slave Bush did.  Chertoff was first Chief of Homeland Security, then later sold his buddies at TSA many millions of dollars of airport x-ray machines declared illegal in EU for cancer causing effects.   

Spain banned Judaics at one time, GB too if I'm not mistaken.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:41 | 3225433 Cult of Criminality
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I second that.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 08:48 | 3225442 Monedas
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The leaves are turning brown in this "Arab Spring" of peace and enlightenment a la sand niggers !  Israel is a sparkling jewel oasis in a desert of shit !

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:43 | 3225697 SamAdams
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Just so you know, ZeroHedge readers are well informed.  Dis-info state style propaganda such as yours instantly reveals you as either 1. a sheeple or 2. a troll....

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 17:08 | 3226740 Joseph Jones
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Monedas: You stupidly and arrogantly reveal the absolute truth about Israel: Israel requires itself to be surrounded 360-degrees by only neighbors who desire that land be returned to the Palestinaians from whom Judaics and their Western sycophants stole the land.  Why?  This act defines the nature of the Judaic "psycodrama" (Hoffman).  Judaic psychodrama is to foment hatred everywhere Judaics go.  Then they turn around, point to the reaction, and say to the Western world: Look how we are so innocent and everyone hates us!  Woe is us!  Woe is the Jew!  You (the West) must befriend us forever no matter how many war crimes we commit!  We are only and always the victim of mid east hatred everywhere we go!  Have mercy on us! 

Anyone and everyone with even half a brain knows by now the USA fomented the entire so-called "Arab Spring."  We supplied the weapons, ammunition, and training.  It was not a Spring for anyone.  Michael Scheuer described the entire unfolding well before it happened.  Sorry, your disinformation is transparent as glass.  This is/was the USA spreading weapons among persons with the most hatred for the West, to cause more chaos and more need for war.  The West and its willing liars the MSM news lied and labeled the spreading of death as "Spring."  This is not news, it is from Machiavelli and it is disinformation.  Obvious proof of the lies is that western MSM presented wars in the mideast as the birth of freedom and democracy.  Now come on!  Do you think anyone in the White House (barack, Hillary, etc) is so stupid to believe that "democracy" is a part of mid east thinking?  It's not!  Theocracy, yes, same as in the West, where our holiest of all holy shrines/icons is "holocaustianity".  Sorry, mankind's been loving icons since your ancestors built the golden calf and even prior. 

Judaic-controlled Oxford, via their Scofield Reference Bible, published early 20th C, convinced all so-called "Christians" who controlled the West, to believe God promised LAND (Israel) + Messiah. 

This is a vs. from the holiest of all holy books of "Judaism" (the re\ligion of sexism, hatred, bigotry, and ancient Egyptian/Babylonian mysticism) the Talmud, AKA "Torah" (Jews have two Torah, the OT plus the so-called "traditions of the elders" cursed by God/Jesus, which the surviving descendants of the Pharisees who murdered Jesus documented in The Talmud a couple centuries after Rome destroyed the last Temple): "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death."  Now I've posted this vs. enough times that most members should have come across it by now. 

Proof of the vs.' existence is the fact that even a cursory Google investigation reveals the Talmudists (such as yourself apparently) justify the vs. by saying it only applies in time of war...which means Judaics believe even suckling babies deserve death if they are Gentiles in times of war vs. Jews, which is eternity. 

If you've not noticed this vs, prior, there it is.

Do you deny the vs.?  If not, how do you yourself justify it?  

BTW, for any Talmudists out there, Michael Hoffman has offerred for about the last ten years, to debate whether Judaism is an "anti-human" religion.  So far, every Rabbi and Judaic is too chicken to accept the offer. 

You are quite the haughty, proud, Judaic, if I do say so myself.  Can you not find even one Rabbi with the guts and brains and gumption and debate skills to debate Hoffman on this point? 

Or is it that indeed you and every Rabbi you know of agrees with Hoffman that your filthy, gutter "religion" is an anti-humanistic religion? 

Daily prayer for Judaic males: "Thank you g_d you did not make me a slave, a gentile, nor a woman."

Judaism definition: "The worship of the Judaic male as God." (Hoffman)

Anti-Semite: "Not someone who hates Jews, but rather someone hated by certain Jews." (the late James Sobran, in reply to his once-friend Romanist W. Buckley, who heaped scorn on Sobran after Sobran uncovered and wrote negative things about Israel).

"Holocaustianity" (Hoffman) the highest icon of Western civilization. 

 

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 10:54 | 3225735 rwe2late
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 Plausible deniability, however implausible,

is so much better than outright skulduggery.

Let the proxy Saudis and NATO allies do the obvious (the "rebels" are in fact armed, and not by weapons captured from Assad).

A continued Syrian stand-off has its advantages too. Turmoil to exacerbate ethnic-religious tensions. Turmoil to cover other "clandestine" activities. Turmoil to create more turmoil. Besides, the Turks and the Israelis don't really want rebels, Kurds, or any others forming government over a functioning Syria. Best for them is a weak government over a ruined nation.

Oh yes, Obama the peacemaker.

Or is it the imagemaker? Is he simply more cognizant of the political value of his image than are his advisors? Even the most ardent Obamaphiles prefer a straw to grasp.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 11:54 | 3225915 ThisTimeIsDifferent
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Yawn.

good cop bad cop - iteration 532,873.

What an insult to Russia China, Inc. - nations of chess and go players.

 

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 13:20 | 3226222 Laddie
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There were several news stories about US giving arms to Syrian rebels. Yet we are supposed to believe NOW that that never happened. Well as Orwell wrote in 1984 history is a palimpsest

David Enders, McClatchy, Dec 14 2012 Weeks before the Obama administration and other Western nations recognized a new Syrian opposition coalition as “the legitimate representative” of the Syrian people, Syrian rebels were receiving training in the use of light and heavy weapons with the backing of the Jordanian, US and UK govts, participants in the training have told McClatchy. The training took place as far back as October and involved hundreds of rebels, the participants said. In one case, the rebel participant said men he believed were US intelligence officers observed what was taking place.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 14:34 | 3226510 SmittyinLA
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"which" syrian rebels?

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