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Guest Post: Is The NDAA Lawsuit Headed To The Supreme Court?

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The NDAA lawsuit is one of the key topics we have written about over the past year or so.  For those of you that aren’t up to speed, one of the most popular posts we ever wrote was NDAA: The Most Important Lawsuit in American History that No One is Talking About.  Basically, Section 1021 of the NDAA allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charges or a trial.  Journalist Chris Hedges and several others sued Obama on the grounds of it being unconstitutional.  Judge Katherine Forrest agreed and issued an injunction on it.  This was immediately appealed by the Obama Administration to a higher court, which promptly issued a temporary stay on the injunction.

Yesterday, oral arguments began in front of this aforementioned higher court; the 2nd Circuit.  As Chris Hedges states in the interview below, if they win the case then it will likely be brought in front of the Supreme Court within weeks.  On the other hand, if the Obama Administration wins and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal, Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”

To get a full update on the progress of the NDAA lawsuit make sure to watch this video.

 

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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:26 | 3227829 hedgeless_horseman
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“at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”

And just when being a fascist corporatocracy has gotten us so far.  What must happen for us to be a Constitutional Republic again?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:29 | 3227851 ACP
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The answer to your question is:

Gallows, many, many gallows. And a bunch of shooting too.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:33 | 3227859 LetThemEatRand
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All we need is scissors.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:39 | 3227883 brockhardman
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If anyone enters your home illegally, you have the right (and the duty) to empty your magazine, reload, rinse and repeat.  They will get the point eventually when they run out of people who decide to "do what they are told".

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:54 | 3228268 markmotive
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You are being watched right now!

Yes. Right now...

...as you read this...

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/02/08/youre-being-watched-now/

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 03:10 | 3228308 macholatte
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The NDAA is so grotesquely unconstitutional that ANY court should vote it down. If the Supremes get to it, the vote should be 9-0 against it. But that won't happen, and the sheeple will continue to graze.  It's sad. Very sad.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 04:12 | 3228331 James_Cole
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Funny, just yesterday someone on here was making the statement "where have all the Liberals who protested Bush disappeared to?" and I pointed out how theyre now protesting Obama - case in point, go Hedges!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:08 | 3228416 GetZeeGold
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We've met the enemy......and they are us.

 

When unlimited power has the ability to direct a force that couldn't get a job under normal circumstances.....really bad things start to happen.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:41 | 3228708 prodigious_idea
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Thumbs UP if you've written/will write your Congressman on this issue

Thumbs down if not

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:48 | 3229064 xtop23
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Representation is for those with the means to buy it. Plebs need not apply.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:56 | 3229835 12ToothAssassin
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I dont want to volunteer for *that* list

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:57 | 3227920 Whoa Dammit
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The cops are entering homes without a warrant in Big Bear Lake California.

LA Times Slide Show- Take a look at #19, #20 & #25.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/la-me-manhunt-ex-lap...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:06 | 3227947 fonzannoon
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notice they cut off the comments section of those articles.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:35 | 3228008 Whoa Dammit
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Yep. Comments are running wild on CNN though. Over 15,000 on today's Dorner story. It doen't look like many are very supportive of the LAPD.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:54 | 3228055 Cathartes Aura
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lol, there's a first!

(not)

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:40 | 3228432 GetZeeGold
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The cops are entering homes without a warrant in Big Bear Lake California.

 

Can't they just write one up on the fly like everyone else?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 14:19 | 3228843 Bob
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Nice to see people daring to express their true feelings!  Sheeple know more than they let on as they go about life keeping their heads down. 

I would guess LAPD Hunting Season t-shirts are selling somewhere. 

Now would be a good time for folks to start extending an appropriate greeting to these sick bastards:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/03/appeals-court-motorist-cannot-be-s...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:34 | 3228208 Buckaroo Banzai
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From the CNN story: "Guns found in the truck were also burned, but authorities believe Dorner may have as many as 30 guns with him, the source said."

30 guns?!??! Are you fucking kidding me? How stupid are these fucking morons at CNN? Why the fuck would anyone on the run be dragging 30 guns around?

FOR THE LOVE OF PETE, CNN IS A TRAILERFUL OF DIAPERLESS, SHIT-SMEARED IMBECILES

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3228500 Moe Howard
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They are very tiny, tiny guns.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:09 | 3228603 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 13:41 | 3228803 SubjectivObject
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Noisy Cricket

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:19 | 3228557 tsx500
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hey !    Please do not insult diaperless, shit-smeared imbeciles like that !    <sarc>

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:51 | 3229940 sun tzu
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Same thoughts here. It might be smarter to carry one handgun and one rifle with lots of ammo instead of 30 guns. He only has two hands.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:52 | 3228408 unrulian
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OK why in 20,21,23,24 are they carrying mini14's? and dressed like Curt Cobain? standard issue? never heard of that gun used by LEO

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:42 | 3228710 praxis
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Why do they have to mock Curt by dressing like him? 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:42 | 3228711 praxis
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Why do they have to mock Curt by dressing like him? 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:36 | 3228494 LongSoupLine
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"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

 

"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men" - Plato

 

"Fuck you Obama you Constitution burning, freedom fucking, Bernanke ball sucking fucking piece of Chicago crooked fucking hot stinking dog shit." - LongSoupLine

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:03 | 3228522 Angus McHugepenis
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"To do is to be" - Plato

"To be is to do" - Socrates

"Doobee Doobee Doo" - Sinatra

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:13 | 3228542 GetZeeGold
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What in the wide wide world of sports is a going on here - Slim Pickens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VNHe5fq30

 

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 07:13 | 3232510 Colonel Klink
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"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

That can be shortened to "evil prevails".

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:32 | 3228206 salvadordaly
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What are the LEO's going to do when they pass an "ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN"? That's all that you see them carrying. Oh wait, thats right, not their "ASSAULT WEAPONS", just "OURS", forgot about the memo.

 Bonzai 7 go to work with scissors in their hands!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 06:24 | 3228376 ebworthen
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Can't find a long rifle ANYWHERE.

Ruger mini-14, AR-15, AK-47 - nothin'!

All sold out!  Retail stores, online, everywhere.

The dumbshits in the MSM say it's because people are buying them "in fear of an assault weapon ban".  No you dumbfucks, it's called "in fear of our own government!".

And, that is what a semi-automatic handgun and rifle are for, putting down tyrannical governments!  That is what the Second Amendment is all about!  You know, it comes right after the First Amendment!  Not a coincidence!

It's not about hunting animals, it's about hunting crooked, corrupt, treasonous, Constitution burning tyrants!

Get it!?!?!?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:58 | 3228411 AnAnonymous
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It is all for consumption.

'Americans' usually select solutions that bring more consumption.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:27 | 3228437 GetZeeGold
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It's Black Friday everyday in the sporting arms industry now.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:43 | 3228497 GMadScientist
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I'm sorry, we can't understand you with that mask on to protect you from the orange haze of non-consumption.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:00 | 3228519 Angus McHugepenis
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I couldn't read your comment. Too much smog rolling in from the mainland.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:26 | 3230531 Imminent Crucible
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By golly, Al-Anon gets funnier by the day. He's pretending that a country that lives by "It is glorious to get rich by polluting every square centimeter of air, land and water you can find" is not all about consumption.

Yo, Al-Anon; I counsel you to remember Liu Shaoqi, whose Little Yellow Book I read in high school. It didn't end well for him either. I suspect the long, long arm of Beijing is reaching out right now to pinch your little testicles off.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 07:14 | 3232512 Colonel Klink
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Eat a bag of dicks!

-signed everyone else on ZH

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:09 | 3228423 Winston Churchill
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There are other means.

Chemistry is simple.Everything is available, and Nobel's recipes are easy to duplicate.

Amazing what you can do with just nitic and sulphuric acid,glycerin,cotton wool, and gellatin.

40 awg wire , and shotgun primer complete the dish,with a side salad of shrapnel.

Bon apetite.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:14 | 3228426 AnAnonymous
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Nobel's formula was very stable...

Hopefully, 'americans' will fight that battle with their courage alone. As usual.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:52 | 3228455 Winston Churchill
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Anon,

Hard to tell if that was sarc.

After the intial cooling problems in production,the formulas are very stable.

even the base nitro is is ok if handled correctly,once diluted within your into Jellonite,its

just another plastique,and is very stable.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:17 | 3228612 New_Meat
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Hard to tell.  Period.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:59 | 3228518 Angus McHugepenis
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My tastes wander to the more subtle... gas & styrofoam. My ears hurt when stuff goes BANG.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:51 | 3228502 Moe Howard
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Colt LE 223 Carbine Quad Rail Black Matte16BBL 20+1

IN STOCK

http://www.kygunco.com/colt-le-223-carbine-quad-rail-black-matte16bbl-201-51872

 

Yesterday they had a few more models. All gone as far as I can tell, except this model.

Of course, if I was buying I would buy this KRISS Vector CRB 45 ACP 16" BBL Rifle

http://www.kygunco.com/kriss-vector-crb-45-acp-16-bbl-rifle-24801

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:47 | 3228570 GetZeeGold
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Price : 2,299.99...........molly geez!

 

Then again....by tonight that will probably seem cheap.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3229076 xtop23
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No thanks. Buy 308.... its whats for dinner

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:16 | 3228550 chubbar
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Plenty of long guns, ar-15's, etc on Gunbrokers.com    http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=ar+15

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:40 | 3229196 ATM
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www.armslist.com

buy from a private seller. You'll find something but nothing is cheap.

 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:33 | 3230557 Imminent Crucible
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I think you're right, ATM. We may be seeing the last chance to arm yourself over the coming weeks. People who waited until the Last Possible Moment can't be choosers. Get what you can get while you can get it, and don't niggle about price. If Obama wins this one, whatever price they're asking will seem like a screaming bargain a year from now. Or sooner.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:59 | 3228651 Arrowflinger
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Try Gunbroker.com.

Prices exploded, but seem to be retreating. If things stablize on the 2nd Amendment front and folks continue to be assailed on the economics front, I think prices will fall back to a 25% premium from the recent 300% premium. However, I don't think prices will fall to where they were before.

 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 14:49 | 3228935 Henry Hub
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***It's not about hunting animals, it's about hunting crooked, corrupt, treasonous, Constitution burning tyrants!***

From the article:
"...if the Obama Administration wins and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal, Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”"

So does mean that everyone with all the AR-15s etc. and all the stocked piled ammunition are going to stop playing GI-joe and actually take on the pending military dictatorship? I think most of them are going to have their bluff called. I don't think anyone is going to do diddly shit.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:23 | 3229018 Winston Churchill
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As always,its who goes first.

Nobody volunteers to be a martyr.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:18 | 3229130 donsluck
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No CHRISTIAN would! Well, maybe one...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:40 | 3230587 Imminent Crucible
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News story from a couple years back: Sudanese Muslims were running around, burning down the villages of Sudanese Christians. One village had their huts burnt down more than once and all their possessions stolen. Suddenly they rose up, went to one of the offending Muslim villages and burned it to the ground.

The local news media said "Hey! You're supposed to be Christians, you hypocrites. What about that Turning the Other Cheek stuff?"

The leader from the Christian village said "We turned one cheek. Then we turned the other. Then we ran out of cheeks."

 

Moral: Don't lean too heavily on the expectation that Christians will all be docile Obama-Obeyers. Some of them will turn the two upper cheeks, and then invite TPTB to kiss the two lower cheeks.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 17:50 | 3229315 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Try your local pawn shop, ebworthen. Mine seems to have a few, but man are they pricey! (A local pawn shop also doubles as my FFL.)

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:24 | 3227924 Whoa Dammit
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Apparently the LAPD  not only shot the wrong truck and wounded the 2 newspaper delivery women they believed to be Dorner, they shot up the whole neighborhood.

"Goo said he could hear the bullets hitting the door, and he feared the gunmen were coming through the house. He called 911 and was told that police were already there. " (LOL)

"After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/torrance-shooting-dorner-m...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:45 | 3228029 Angus McHugepenis
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At least their aim is improving.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:59 | 3228060 pods
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And we also know why they ordered so many rounds.

pods

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:02 | 3228065 fonzannoon
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LOL

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:15 | 3228086 francis_sawyer
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Gonna need more than hollow points to take out an old Olds 98...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:19 | 3228102 Angus McHugepenis
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Do you have a .50 mounted on the roof?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:31 | 3228441 GetZeeGold
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This is America.....you don't have to answer that question.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:56 | 3228510 Angus McHugepenis
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Except when they demand you to declare your citizenship at roadside checkpoints in Arizona. They will ignore the .50 on the roof since that is covered under the 2nd.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:21 | 3228553 GetZeeGold
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You can't do that in Arizona.....King Obama said so.

 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:41 | 3228572 Angus McHugepenis
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Oh well then fuck it! If the Fraud in Thief says it, it must be true.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:16 | 3228094 a growing concern
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So that's why they're fattening up Americans with GMO fried shit... Larger targets.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 04:07 | 3228328 cossack55
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Way to tie three ends together.  +22.6

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:07 | 3230841 mkhs
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But it is wrong.  They used to hunt whales for oil.  Wouldn't land whales be more convenient?  Soylent green and soylent oil.  The best of both.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:00 | 3228460 Go Tribe
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Obama is doing exactly what Cheney is telling him to do. These fucks are all the same.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:25 | 3229025 Winston Churchill
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With that marksmanship prowess,they are going to need a lot MOAR than

1.5bn rounds.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:48 | 3228037 nmewn
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They seem to be...oh, how should I put this...LESS THAN professional?...paranoid perhaps?...trigger happy even?...over one guy?...lol.

I'm entertaining any and all gun grabbers now on this, why the public should disarm or submit their RIGHTS on the alter of "public safety" when the "public servants" who would protect & serve them are...ya know...shooting at them!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:18 | 3228099 Banksters
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I refer the anti 2nd amendment folks to the Kent State Massacre.  

 

The level of naivete is spellbinding.  It's as if they never picked up a history book.  Even the best governments suck.   But the rule, by an overwhelming majority, is tyranny.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:00 | 3228165 nmewn
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It is hard for the un-informed to grasp.

How (usually the left these days) can make an argument for gun control or background checks or registration...at the same time making a parallel argument of police brutality, drone kills, the wealthy elite with armed bodyguards and all the rest.

A stunning display of their own cognitive dissonance that I really do revel in...completely...lol...but its time to get serious and stuff their face through the mirror instead of just showing themselves their reflection in it.

Because they still don't get it...they really are that thick.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:07 | 3228178 Poor Grogman
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I think the welfare state actually promotes the dipshit gene via reverse natural selection.

Look at residents of long term welfare states, most are incapable of seeing their own miserable predicament for what it actually is.

If you have never tasted true freedom it must be hard to imagine how addictive it can be.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:19 | 3228616 nmewn
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I think you're onto something here.

Someone, somewhere got the idea of, if we make the prison/plantation appear to be the Ritz Carlton, they won't even notice their chains.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:25 | 3230880 12ToothAssassin
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In fact Idiocracy is the authoritative documentary on the subject.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:05 | 3228654 Captain Kink
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It's called de-evolution.  Natural Selection hasn't acted on our species for a very long time. low IQ, socio-economically challenged individuals breed faster than productive individuals.  The state manufactures more people who will vote for a larger state apparatus, ie free shit.  Democracy has an arc and is doomed always toward socialism or worse.  it's a nice idea, and the one that most aligns with the interests of productive individuals, but parasites will take down any beast, no matter how glorious, once they reach a great enough number.  What we need in order to get back to the beginning of the arc is a grand reset.

 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:58 | 3228515 Moe Howard
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The Beach Boys; Student Demonstration Time [believe it or not]:

America was stunned on May Fourth 1970

When rally turned to riot up at Kent State University

They said the students scared the Guard

Though the troops were battle dressed

Four martyrs earned a new degree

The bachelor of bullets

I know we’re all fed up with useless wars and racial strife

But next time there’s a riot, well, you best stay out of sight

Well there’s a riot going on

There’s a riot going on

Well there’s a riot going on

Student demonstration time

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:51 | 3228581 Coast Watcher
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQlIIybHTDU

A whole new sound for the BB.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:30 | 3228202 Andre
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Has anybody else noticed the most abusive and murderous police tend to come from the states and cities with the toughest gun laws?

Another point - They are laying off police (and firemen and so on) as the cities implode economically. - but they want people to defend themselves with scissors.

This looks a little ... interesting.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:04 | 3228442 GetZeeGold
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They are laying off police

 

They had too.....it's the only way they could afford more bronze statues for the public library. 

 

When politicians want to exert control they usually do it on the backs of the police and fire fighters......it's tradition really.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:53 | 3229215 WillyGroper
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You cannot imagine the revenue generators here. 8pm safety checkpoints. It's really getting bad.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 06:28 | 3228380 ebworthen
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If any citizen fires a stray bullet defending their home from armed robbers they are arrested for "reckless endagerment".

If the cops fire stray bullets and even hit bystanders or kill completely innocent people they get paid leave.

Do we have a problem?  Oh yes, we have a problem.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:04 | 3228505 CPL
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Since nobody brought up the obvious.

Dormer is the setup to finally allow the final removal of local law enforcement and the replacement with military police actions in US cities.  It is also the end of the FBI by proxy by finally removing their greatest advocates of law enforcement on the ground.

Betrayed is another word because everyone did exactly what they were supposed to do which is cause a complete mess, to allow the switch over to military police enforcement because of the 'lack of order'.  In turn the lack of direction of law enforcement will roll back into some congressional chamber where red hot political pokers are getting fired up to jam into the Executives in the FBI.

There willl be some prefunctory tap dancing by the congressional members, but they'll pass resolutions to the effect that the FBI is fired from defending the legal practices of the USA.  This creates a schism in the other Alphabet soup agencies which break into no less than 47 groups that get busy backstabbing each other in their own offices.  The worst to feel the backstabing without merit is the NSA, without the FBI there to hold the line, the executives in that branch are put under heel, paycuts are handed out and everyone is told to shut up and like it while they watch the remainer of their careers and projects demolished.

But that's just a guess because it could never obviously happen that way could it?  LOL!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:16 | 3228551 TheGardener
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Lost me there CPL, if you were a newbie I would think you
would just try to imitate me when I post drunk :-).

You are getting nowhere even on second and third read,
strongly worded thoughts lacking any semblance of an argument ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:54 | 3228588 CPL
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There is no argument, just a thought of how the pieces on the chess board move around and where the pawns in this game end up.  

Not like you or I, or even alphabet soup agencies, can do anything about it at this point.  The situation is what it is.  Complete organisational mess, no internal political will to do even the rudimentary daily stuff and to top it off nobody knows what the budgets look like any more.  The consolidation will be done no matter what anybody thinks or says now.  Argentina's move to devalue has all sorts of unintended consequences, like moving up time tables on austerity measures.

I am thinking out loud attempting to figure out the next steps from the ideas you guys present.  I've been trying to figure out how the agencies are going to get the organisational axe, again something that no one is going to change regardless of 'clout' or manpower, this is all about math now.  Something all the agencies have been desperately trying to avoid tackling.

So now, the real powers that be like all that money their agencies have squirrelled away.  The trick is to smear the shit out of them and break them while looting them blind.  Think of it like austerity measures but you destroy the credibility of anyone working for any of the agencies while pissing off anyone already retired.

It's a dark place to be.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:37 | 3228632 TheGardener
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Thanks for replying CPL, whenever I get deeply involved
and really care I too start to thinking out aloud without
offering insider content ,analysis, psychological traps to avoid and other useful commentary.Kind of conclusive mumblings, smartly worded in a state of higher sobriety . Your convoluted thinking and writing still gives it away, and I`m not trying to mock you as I rarely post sober myself.

May we all have a discussion about our dual addiction,
my primary one is decades old but this ZH pub really
got me.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:32 | 3228685 CPL
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Thanks for chatting with me.  lol

The mind is like a net and catches the good with the bad.  So whether straight edge, sober, crazy, drunk or stoned.  

If an idea takes a shape sometimes it's best to let the mind follow the threads and allow it to make the associations it needs to.   ZH has all the flavours for the minnestrone mental soup of the human race...yes, it's a shit load of fun, puzzles always are.

It is however too early in the day for me to be drinking anything but coffee.  So we'll go with loopy as my current mental state. 

 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3229016 TheGardener
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Higher sobriety was the way out for you only, tried to start
a general discussion on your back with all the other addicts.

Coffee, whatever. This poster spent`s 10 hours hunting in the freezing winter wonderland only to come back here and admit to his ZH addiction. There is hardly any daytime
in my heck of the woods but I do love snow while hunting.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:52 | 3229214 CPL
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With ZH I'm afraid I am addicted like crack as well.  Lots of smart ideas and people floating around here.  

 

After ten hours I would be into the sipping whiskey as well.  Not like you could throw more punishment at your body that the cold didn't hit you with.  Easy to hide a scent in the snow, but sound carries.  Could hear a rabbit fart over the shush of skirtering snow.  Keep the toes crispy brother and have a couple for me, almost 4:20 I'll be honouring traditions soon myself.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 18:05 | 3229336 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Police officers told her husband to file a claim with the department, she said"~ 

Dead SUV.

Dead Ford Focus.

"File a claim."

So is that the instruction set for the two ladies they shot up? File a claim? Who goes to jail? Who even gets put on administrative leave until they find out who needs to lose their job over this? The answer? No one until they catch Dorner. He's got them scared shitless. The Rule of Law can wait until they even the score with him.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 19:17 | 3229472 Miffed Microbio...
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The scary thing for me is Dormer has been rumored to be in my area in San Diego and I'm more frightened of the police than any encounter with him. That says volumes to the state we are in today.

Miffed:-)

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 16:04 | 3230867 mkhs
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You point a gun at a cop, they are scared for their life and shoot to kill.  They point a gun at you, business as usual.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:00 | 3228413 AnAnonymous
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He called 911 and was told that police were already there.
_________________

Very often, 'americans' complain about the latency of response for 'american' police forces.

Well, this time, not.

Too bad, there were not some 'americans' around with arms. They would have used their guns to teach the police officers a lesson...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 18:06 | 3229343 Theosebes Goodfellow
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What's the old saying?

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!"

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:14 | 3227966 Mr Pink
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The citizens of the US are being oppressed by a brutal dictator

Who is going to liberate us? That was our job

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 04:12 | 3228330 cossack55
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A.  France

B. South Viet Nam

C. Hawaii

D. Cuba

E.  Chile

F. Dominican Republic

G. The Philpines

H. Formosa

I. South Korea

J. Belgium

Oh, you get the point.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:03 | 3228418 AnAnonymous
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The citizens of the US are being oppressed by a brutal dictator

Who is going to liberate us? That was our job
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That is the point. If indeed, 'America' was under the assault of a dictator, especially when he is a negro, 'americans' would have already swarmed the streets, full in arms to regain liberty.

Because that is what 'americans' have been doing since 1776, July,4th, right?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3228498 GetZeeGold
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Don't have a problem with black people....I have a problem with marxists.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 13:31 | 3228787 Shell Game
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"Who is going to liberate us? That was our job"

 

But they promised to safe the shit out of us....

 

Polishing my job resume now.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:24 | 3231210 smiler03
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Ooops, I just shot next door's kid.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:13 | 3228085 Angus McHugepenis
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You can only have scissors if you have a conceal/carry sewing permit.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:06 | 3228598 CPL
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Gangs of 80 year old needle point enthusiasts roaming the streets

Government calls for the Crochet Subversion act of 2015.

Dollies...dollies everywhere!!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:18 | 3228189 Blizzard_Esq
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LOL!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:37 | 3227872 Milestones
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How does the name "Joan of Ark"ring any bells??            Milestones

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:38 | 3227875 Pure Evil
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What he should of said:

 

“at that point its just a matter of time before hellfire missiles are used to nullify any and all Obama critics on US soil.”

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:53 | 3227912 ACP
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Well then, maybe it's time to start developing countermeasures.

Hellfires are laser or radar guided. It's possible to coat a target with a material that scatters or significantly changes the frequency of a laser or radar reflection, while another target is painted.

Whoops, did I just flagged by the NSA? My bad.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:18 | 3228098 francis_sawyer
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Just start wearing a yarmulke...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:07 | 3228464 Go Tribe
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Or carry a Koran. The two are interchangable these days.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:16 | 3228575 GetZeeGold
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Join the Muslim Brotherhood.....they have amnesty, and some pretty cool fighter jets and tanks.

 

Thank YOU America!

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:42 | 3228026 percolator
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Only if the bankers are the ones being hanged and shot.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:01 | 3228415 moregoldplease
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Unfortunately that is the plan. It will people like those on this forum that will swinging and falling.

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:50 | 3227903 bobthehorse
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We're a country by the corporations, of the coporations, and for the corporations.

And, if you don't agree, the powers-that-be will blow your face off.

Motherfuckers.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/saturday.html

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:11 | 3228424 Monedas
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Soooooo .... if Chris Hedges perceives the threat of a military dictatorship .... he must be an ardent supporter of the 2nd Amendment .... and understand it is all about the citizens retaining sufficient military capability to confront a rogue government .... and has nothing to do with hunting, target shooting and home defense .... which were "givens" and never needed a 2nd Amendment ? Huh ?  What say ye .... Chris Hedges .... you must be a charter member of the NRA ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:15 | 3228427 Angus McHugepenis
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Monedas! Excellent point! Nice to see you up and early.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:03 | 3228525 Moe Howard
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Chris Hedges "Bush = Moron" "Obama = Constitutional Scholar"

Reality Bush university transcripts and GPA in the public domain Obama univeristy transcripts and GPA state secret.

Chris Hedges may have a few good ideas, but if he can't get beyond the left right thing or Bush did it syndrome, then in the end he is a moron too.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:13 | 3228545 Bangin7GramRocks
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He may not be. If you read any of his books you would know that he has been a war correspondent all around the world. He has seen death and brutality that you can only dream of while cleaning your guns in your garage. You should read his works and it may change some of your minds about "just let it all crumble and we will start anew".

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3229022 Henry Hub
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***if Chris Hedges perceives the threat of a military dictatorship***

Actually Chris Hedges is actually trying to do something, through the courts, to stop this country from becoming a military dictatorship, unlike the NRA which isn't doing shit.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:21 | 3227830 Seasmoke
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Hedges clearly knows how bad things really are

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:50 | 3227904 Spastica Rex
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I think he's a far left wing socialist in the Noam Chomsky mold. Can anything he says be taken at face value?

He's really against porno, too.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:02 | 3227935 Piranhanoia
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Rex;  Do you dream of being king as your name implies?  Do you think you know what Hedges thinks when his command of the language is beyond your grade level?  Stop flattering yourself. You have already opened your mouth and removed all doubt.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:05 | 3227945 Spastica Rex
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I was joking. I thought the porno part gave it away.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:13 | 3228183 Piranhanoia
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Didn't catch your joke because I have never seen Hedges as being political at all,  apolitical and into democracy.

My sincere apologies.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:16 | 3228187 Spastica Rex
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No apologies necessary.

As you can see, others have a very different perspective. That was my joke. I should have just kept my mouth shut and waited.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 02:57 | 3228302 NidStyles
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You can not be apolitical and support Democracy. It's impossible. Democracy is a Socialist point of view.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:39 | 3228448 GetZeeGold
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I only support the Republic......Egypt can have all the Democracy it wants.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:09 | 3228466 Go Tribe
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Bravo! As was written and debated many times by the Founders.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:34 | 3228631 nmewn
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And I say again...democracy is, two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. A republic is, the well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote ;-)

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:40 | 3228635 Spastica Rex
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In America, I think "democracy" is 99 sheep and 1 wolf voting for what's for dinner. I don't think the outcome of the vote matters much in regards to what's being served.

 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:46 | 3228032 Totentänzerlied
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When he opens his mouth, populist-socialistic platitudes come out. He is the one who opened his mouth and removed all doubt as to his political allegiance. Seriously, if you are too stupid to notice it, you have no place insulting others for their superior perception. While his command of the language is merely average, his rhetorical skills are, it seems, quite honed.

And really, look at the idiocy of his mindset. He's going to sue the very much non-independent judicial wing of the very government he's accusing of being a bought-and-paid-for totalitarian military dictatorship? It is pure fucking Kabuki theater. Like the Democratic Socialists (which Mr. Hedges, in fact, is) who think they can ally with the Communists, they go on believing it right to the very moment of their execution.

The lesson dupes like him never learn: the state serves its own interests, everything else be damned. You cannot petition a totalitarian military dictatorship from within it's own courts. To do so defies credibility.

PS: His crusade against pornography is no accident, far from it. Communist regimes, with which he is clearly enamored in some aspects - as are all socialists to varying degrees, are notoriously puritanical, they put Protestants to shame. For Christians, it steals energy and love from God, obviously a sin; for Communists, it steals time and energy from the Party, obviously a capitol offense. Their persecution of homosexuals is legendary. But we don't speak ill of communists in polite company, do we?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:01 | 3228063 Angus McHugepenis
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"The lesson dupes like him never learn: the state serves its own interests, everything else be damned. You cannot petition a totalitarian military dictatorship from within it's own courts. To do so defies credibility".

Well said, much better than my infuriated brain could conjure up at this time. Here's a few short phrases that may also apply:

- Pissing in the wind.
- Beating a dead horse.
- It's okay, we're the police. Just let us in (talk to us, search your car, etc).
- The check is in the mail.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:34 | 3228257 Demologos
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You forgot:

Just the tip ...

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:08 | 3228073 Spastica Rex
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I bet you have similar insights on Noam, too.

Do you like John Ralston Saul? I don't think he's ever accused of being a Leftist. Maybe I'm wrong. It's so hard to keep track of the bad guys without smart guys like you.

Do you think L. Ron Hubbard was better than Ayn Rand? I do.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:51 | 3228266 DaveyJones
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and Ron Howard

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:05 | 3228532 Moe Howard
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Dude, I saw him on youtube. He is the champion of the NEGRO. His life is dedicated to saving the downtrodden. He must be good, right?

He said Bush was stupid, that clears him, right?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:18 | 3228555 IridiumRebel
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At least he brought a suit on the matter......WTF is anyone else doing besides bitch online?....oh wait that's us.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:22 | 3227833 pepperspray
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Jacobs will support NDAA

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:08 | 3227953 earleflorida
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10-4

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 21:24 | 3227836 Fred Hayek
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Glad to see this getting publicized on Zero Hedge. It's disgusting that the mainstream media carefully avoids any mention of it. They deserve to live in the fascism they're helping to bring about.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:28 | 3227991 Oldrepublic
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If you asked a random sample of Americans regarding NDAA, I  doubt more than 10% would know what it is

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:40 | 3228015 Angus McHugepenis
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You'd have better luck asking them what a Twinkie is made of.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:08 | 3228465 GetZeeGold
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It's possible to make a Twinkie, but getting one delivered under the current union rules is damn near impossible.

 

White bread and Twinkies don't mix....which is why you have to use different trucks. Don't believe me? Go look it up.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:32 | 3228563 Angus McHugepenis
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But, but... I watched 5 videos on YouStooge that showed Grandmas making homemade Twinkies! Did Grandma LIE to me?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:53 | 3228585 GetZeeGold
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You must have been in the good old daze section.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:42 | 3230915 mkhs
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with enough cheap gin, every day is a good old daze.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:40 | 3228020 IridiumRebel
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I'd say 2%.....

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:51 | 3228263 Ignatius
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And yet 90% would say the young lady interviewing Chris is HOT.

Disclosure: I'm long 'hotties' in the alternative/new media.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:44 | 3228636 Never One Roach
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old, ok, I give up. What's the NDAA?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:43 | 3230916 mkhs
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Your ticket to heaven.

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