Guest Post: Is The NDAA Lawsuit Headed To The Supreme Court?

Tyler Durden's picture

Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The NDAA lawsuit is one of the key topics we have written about over the past year or so.  For those of you that aren’t up to speed, one of the most popular posts we ever wrote was NDAA: The Most Important Lawsuit in American History that No One is Talking About.  Basically, Section 1021 of the NDAA allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charges or a trial.  Journalist Chris Hedges and several others sued Obama on the grounds of it being unconstitutional.  Judge Katherine Forrest agreed and issued an injunction on it.  This was immediately appealed by the Obama Administration to a higher court, which promptly issued a temporary stay on the injunction.

Yesterday, oral arguments began in front of this aforementioned higher court; the 2nd Circuit.  As Chris Hedges states in the interview below, if they win the case then it will likely be brought in front of the Supreme Court within weeks.  On the other hand, if the Obama Administration wins and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal, Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”

To get a full update on the progress of the NDAA lawsuit make sure to watch this video.

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Arrowflinger's picture


Prices exploded, but seem to be retreating. If things stablize on the 2nd Amendment front and folks continue to be assailed on the economics front, I think prices will fall back to a 25% premium from the recent 300% premium. However, I don't think prices will fall to where they were before.


Henry Hub's picture

***It's not about hunting animals, it's about hunting crooked, corrupt, treasonous, Constitution burning tyrants!***

From the article:
"...if the Obama Administration wins and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal, Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”"

So does mean that everyone with all the AR-15s etc. and all the stocked piled ammunition are going to stop playing GI-joe and actually take on the pending military dictatorship? I think most of them are going to have their bluff called. I don't think anyone is going to do diddly shit.

Winston Churchill's picture

As always,its who goes first.

Nobody volunteers to be a martyr.

donsluck's picture

No CHRISTIAN would! Well, maybe one...

Imminent Crucible's picture

News story from a couple years back: Sudanese Muslims were running around, burning down the villages of Sudanese Christians. One village had their huts burnt down more than once and all their possessions stolen. Suddenly they rose up, went to one of the offending Muslim villages and burned it to the ground.

The local news media said "Hey! You're supposed to be Christians, you hypocrites. What about that Turning the Other Cheek stuff?"

The leader from the Christian village said "We turned one cheek. Then we turned the other. Then we ran out of cheeks."


Moral: Don't lean too heavily on the expectation that Christians will all be docile Obama-Obeyers. Some of them will turn the two upper cheeks, and then invite TPTB to kiss the two lower cheeks.

Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

Try your local pawn shop, ebworthen. Mine seems to have a few, but man are they pricey! (A local pawn shop also doubles as my FFL.)

Whoa Dammit's picture

Apparently the LAPD  not only shot the wrong truck and wounded the 2 newspaper delivery women they believed to be Dorner, they shot up the whole neighborhood.

"Goo said he could hear the bullets hitting the door, and he feared the gunmen were coming through the house. He called 911 and was told that police were already there. " (LOL)

"After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile."

Angus McHugepenis's picture

At least their aim is improving.

pods's picture

And we also know why they ordered so many rounds.


francis_sawyer's picture

Gonna need more than hollow points to take out an old Olds 98...

Angus McHugepenis's picture

Do you have a .50 mounted on the roof?

GetZeeGold's picture



This is don't have to answer that question.

Angus McHugepenis's picture

Except when they demand you to declare your citizenship at roadside checkpoints in Arizona. They will ignore the .50 on the roof since that is covered under the 2nd.

GetZeeGold's picture




You can't do that in Arizona.....King Obama said so.


Angus McHugepenis's picture

Oh well then fuck it! If the Fraud in Thief says it, it must be true.

a growing concern's picture

So that's why they're fattening up Americans with GMO fried shit... Larger targets.

cossack55's picture

Way to tie three ends together.  +22.6

mkhs's picture

But it is wrong.  They used to hunt whales for oil.  Wouldn't land whales be more convenient?  Soylent green and soylent oil.  The best of both.

Go Tribe's picture

Obama is doing exactly what Cheney is telling him to do. These fucks are all the same.

Winston Churchill's picture

With that marksmanship prowess,they are going to need a lot MOAR than

1.5bn rounds.

nmewn's picture

They seem to be...oh, how should I put this...LESS THAN professional?...paranoid perhaps?...trigger happy even?...over one guy?

I'm entertaining any and all gun grabbers now on this, why the public should disarm or submit their RIGHTS on the alter of "public safety" when the "public servants" who would protect & serve them are...ya know...shooting at them!

Banksters's picture

I refer the anti 2nd amendment folks to the Kent State Massacre.  


The level of naivete is spellbinding.  It's as if they never picked up a history book.  Even the best governments suck.   But the rule, by an overwhelming majority, is tyranny.

nmewn's picture

It is hard for the un-informed to grasp.

How (usually the left these days) can make an argument for gun control or background checks or the same time making a parallel argument of police brutality, drone kills, the wealthy elite with armed bodyguards and all the rest.

A stunning display of their own cognitive dissonance that I really do revel its time to get serious and stuff their face through the mirror instead of just showing themselves their reflection in it.

Because they still don't get it...they really are that thick.

Poor Grogman's picture

I think the welfare state actually promotes the dipshit gene via reverse natural selection.

Look at residents of long term welfare states, most are incapable of seeing their own miserable predicament for what it actually is.

If you have never tasted true freedom it must be hard to imagine how addictive it can be.

nmewn's picture

I think you're onto something here.

Someone, somewhere got the idea of, if we make the prison/plantation appear to be the Ritz Carlton, they won't even notice their chains.

12ToothAssassin's picture

In fact Idiocracy is the authoritative documentary on the subject.

Captain Kink's picture

It's called de-evolution.  Natural Selection hasn't acted on our species for a very long time. low IQ, socio-economically challenged individuals breed faster than productive individuals.  The state manufactures more people who will vote for a larger state apparatus, ie free shit.  Democracy has an arc and is doomed always toward socialism or worse.  it's a nice idea, and the one that most aligns with the interests of productive individuals, but parasites will take down any beast, no matter how glorious, once they reach a great enough number.  What we need in order to get back to the beginning of the arc is a grand reset.


Moe Howard's picture

The Beach Boys; Student Demonstration Time [believe it or not]:

America was stunned on May Fourth 1970

When rally turned to riot up at Kent State University

They said the students scared the Guard

Though the troops were battle dressed

Four martyrs earned a new degree

The bachelor of bullets

I know we’re all fed up with useless wars and racial strife

But next time there’s a riot, well, you best stay out of sight

Well there’s a riot going on

There’s a riot going on

Well there’s a riot going on

Student demonstration time

Andre's picture

Has anybody else noticed the most abusive and murderous police tend to come from the states and cities with the toughest gun laws?

Another point - They are laying off police (and firemen and so on) as the cities implode economically. - but they want people to defend themselves with scissors.

This looks a little ... interesting.

GetZeeGold's picture



They are laying off police


They had's the only way they could afford more bronze statues for the public library. 


When politicians want to exert control they usually do it on the backs of the police and fire's tradition really.

WillyGroper's picture

You cannot imagine the revenue generators here. 8pm safety checkpoints. It's really getting bad.

ebworthen's picture

If any citizen fires a stray bullet defending their home from armed robbers they are arrested for "reckless endagerment".

If the cops fire stray bullets and even hit bystanders or kill completely innocent people they get paid leave.

Do we have a problem?  Oh yes, we have a problem.

CPL's picture

Since nobody brought up the obvious.

Dormer is the setup to finally allow the final removal of local law enforcement and the replacement with military police actions in US cities.  It is also the end of the FBI by proxy by finally removing their greatest advocates of law enforcement on the ground.

Betrayed is another word because everyone did exactly what they were supposed to do which is cause a complete mess, to allow the switch over to military police enforcement because of the 'lack of order'.  In turn the lack of direction of law enforcement will roll back into some congressional chamber where red hot political pokers are getting fired up to jam into the Executives in the FBI.

There willl be some prefunctory tap dancing by the congressional members, but they'll pass resolutions to the effect that the FBI is fired from defending the legal practices of the USA.  This creates a schism in the other Alphabet soup agencies which break into no less than 47 groups that get busy backstabbing each other in their own offices.  The worst to feel the backstabing without merit is the NSA, without the FBI there to hold the line, the executives in that branch are put under heel, paycuts are handed out and everyone is told to shut up and like it while they watch the remainer of their careers and projects demolished.

But that's just a guess because it could never obviously happen that way could it?  LOL!

TheGardener's picture

Lost me there CPL, if you were a newbie I would think you
would just try to imitate me when I post drunk :-).

You are getting nowhere even on second and third read,
strongly worded thoughts lacking any semblance of an argument ?

CPL's picture

There is no argument, just a thought of how the pieces on the chess board move around and where the pawns in this game end up.  

Not like you or I, or even alphabet soup agencies, can do anything about it at this point.  The situation is what it is.  Complete organisational mess, no internal political will to do even the rudimentary daily stuff and to top it off nobody knows what the budgets look like any more.  The consolidation will be done no matter what anybody thinks or says now.  Argentina's move to devalue has all sorts of unintended consequences, like moving up time tables on austerity measures.

I am thinking out loud attempting to figure out the next steps from the ideas you guys present.  I've been trying to figure out how the agencies are going to get the organisational axe, again something that no one is going to change regardless of 'clout' or manpower, this is all about math now.  Something all the agencies have been desperately trying to avoid tackling.

So now, the real powers that be like all that money their agencies have squirrelled away.  The trick is to smear the shit out of them and break them while looting them blind.  Think of it like austerity measures but you destroy the credibility of anyone working for any of the agencies while pissing off anyone already retired.

It's a dark place to be.

TheGardener's picture

Thanks for replying CPL, whenever I get deeply involved
and really care I too start to thinking out aloud without
offering insider content ,analysis, psychological traps to avoid and other useful commentary.Kind of conclusive mumblings, smartly worded in a state of higher sobriety . Your convoluted thinking and writing still gives it away, and I`m not trying to mock you as I rarely post sober myself.

May we all have a discussion about our dual addiction,
my primary one is decades old but this ZH pub really
got me.

CPL's picture

Thanks for chatting with me.  lol

The mind is like a net and catches the good with the bad.  So whether straight edge, sober, crazy, drunk or stoned.  

If an idea takes a shape sometimes it's best to let the mind follow the threads and allow it to make the associations it needs to.   ZH has all the flavours for the minnestrone mental soup of the human race...yes, it's a shit load of fun, puzzles always are.

It is however too early in the day for me to be drinking anything but coffee.  So we'll go with loopy as my current mental state. 


TheGardener's picture

Higher sobriety was the way out for you only, tried to start
a general discussion on your back with all the other addicts.

Coffee, whatever. This poster spent`s 10 hours hunting in the freezing winter wonderland only to come back here and admit to his ZH addiction. There is hardly any daytime
in my heck of the woods but I do love snow while hunting.

CPL's picture

With ZH I'm afraid I am addicted like crack as well.  Lots of smart ideas and people floating around here.  


After ten hours I would be into the sipping whiskey as well.  Not like you could throw more punishment at your body that the cold didn't hit you with.  Easy to hide a scent in the snow, but sound carries.  Could hear a rabbit fart over the shush of skirtering snow.  Keep the toes crispy brother and have a couple for me, almost 4:20 I'll be honouring traditions soon myself.

Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

~"Police officers told her husband to file a claim with the department, she said"~ 

Dead SUV.

Dead Ford Focus.

"File a claim."

So is that the instruction set for the two ladies they shot up? File a claim? Who goes to jail? Who even gets put on administrative leave until they find out who needs to lose their job over this? The answer? No one until they catch Dorner. He's got them scared shitless. The Rule of Law can wait until they even the score with him.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

The scary thing for me is Dormer has been rumored to be in my area in San Diego and I'm more frightened of the police than any encounter with him. That says volumes to the state we are in today.


mkhs's picture

You point a gun at a cop, they are scared for their life and shoot to kill.  They point a gun at you, business as usual.

AnAnonymous's picture

He called 911 and was told that police were already there.

Very often, 'americans' complain about the latency of response for 'american' police forces.

Well, this time, not.

Too bad, there were not some 'americans' around with arms. They would have used their guns to teach the police officers a lesson...

Theosebes Goodfellow's picture

What's the old saying?

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!"

Mr Pink's picture

The citizens of the US are being oppressed by a brutal dictator

Who is going to liberate us? That was our job

cossack55's picture

A.  France

B. South Viet Nam

C. Hawaii

D. Cuba

E.  Chile

F. Dominican Republic

G. The Philpines

H. Formosa

I. South Korea

J. Belgium

Oh, you get the point.

AnAnonymous's picture

The citizens of the US are being oppressed by a brutal dictator

Who is going to liberate us? That was our job

That is the point. If indeed, 'America' was under the assault of a dictator, especially when he is a negro, 'americans' would have already swarmed the streets, full in arms to regain liberty.

Because that is what 'americans' have been doing since 1776, July,4th, right?

GetZeeGold's picture



Don't have a problem with black people....I have a problem with marxists.