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Guest Post: Is The NDAA Lawsuit Headed To The Supreme Court?

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The NDAA lawsuit is one of the key topics we have written about over the past year or so.  For those of you that aren’t up to speed, one of the most popular posts we ever wrote was NDAA: The Most Important Lawsuit in American History that No One is Talking About.  Basically, Section 1021 of the NDAA allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without charges or a trial.  Journalist Chris Hedges and several others sued Obama on the grounds of it being unconstitutional.  Judge Katherine Forrest agreed and issued an injunction on it.  This was immediately appealed by the Obama Administration to a higher court, which promptly issued a temporary stay on the injunction.

Yesterday, oral arguments began in front of this aforementioned higher court; the 2nd Circuit.  As Chris Hedges states in the interview below, if they win the case then it will likely be brought in front of the Supreme Court within weeks.  On the other hand, if the Obama Administration wins and the Supreme Court refuses to hear the appeal, Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”

To get a full update on the progress of the NDAA lawsuit make sure to watch this video.


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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:13 | 3228241 IridiumRebel
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Thankfully Washington saw fit to allow these "unwashed masses" to choose their representatives via republican government. 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:57 | 3228650 Sean7k
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Peyton Randolph was the first president of the United States (there were fourteen before Washington), but he as most others from our early period were chosen from extreme minorities. The vote on the Constitution came from between 3% and 13% 0f the population. Washington was never elected by nor were representatives elected by the "unwashed masses". 

While these standards were relaxed over the following two and one half centuries, we still find ways to exclude groups, add people that don't exist and erase whole areas from the results. 

Washington was estimated to be the richest man in America when he became president (land sales). There wasn't much money in being the king. 


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:54 | 3228731 IridiumRebel
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He was President of the Continental Congress. Rich or not, George Washington knew what was to be right for the newly independent of America. If he was just some lazy rich dude, why did he lead an Army to victory over the World's most formidable power?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3229006 Sean7k
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Actually, he was president and performed the diplomatic duties of an executive. A role that expanded for the entire time we were ruled under the articles of confederation. Wikipedia is not always the best source for information- unless you think the CIA is going to give it to you straight...

I never said he was a lazy, rich dude, nor did I imply it. George Washington was a hard working land speculator. As for leading the army to victory, PLEASE read history. Most of the revolution was fought between tories and rebels. Washington spent most of his time keeping the British penned in Philadelphia, New York and Boston. When attacked in Charleston- we surrendered. If the British hadn't been so lazy, they would have won handily. American officers had huge inferiority complexes and wanted nothing more than to be recognized as equals, which the British never did. 

The British had more important things on their minds and actually felt we would eventually see the light. Unfortunately, we"outlasted" them and they needed to pay attention to Europe. So, they just took us over through central banking. We have been bailing them out financially and militarily ever since.

Try reading, "Tories" by Thomas Allen. 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:42 | 3228025 a growing concern
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Wrong. There were actually great, noble men once, who toiled most of their lives to carve out a free nation. Read a bit about John Adams to temper your cynicism.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:43 | 3228145 Sean7k
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Instead of reading the propaganda, look at the actual results. The "Founding Fathers" were angry at taxation, market restrictions and restrictions on land development. Look into the use of national banks to fleece the country and inflation of currency. The War of 1812? To STEAL canada- we started it. 

Read about the tories and the real war of the revolution- Americans fighting Americans, to protect positions of power and influence. 

Lincoln the tyrant, the Supreme Court as a tool of tyranny, militarism, imperialism and now, our crowning glory: the worst terrorist country on earth. 


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:16 | 3228186 Cathartes Aura
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a Canadian friend once loaned me a very value-able book, documenting numerous incursions by amrka into Canada for the purpose of expanding territory. . .wish I could remember its title, but yes, folks would do themselves a huge favour by reading outside the guide-lines.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:22 | 3228196 Sean7k
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Try "The Civil War of 1812" by Taylor.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:07 | 3227950 IridiumRebel
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I am kinda surprised Mr. Hedges has not suffered a heart attack yet......

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:13 | 3227964 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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Yes, that amendment of 1791 was a bit of a slip up by TPTB, but those were frontier days, and TPTB arent all prescient

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:45 | 3228153 Sean7k
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They were more concerned with staging a coup over the legitimate government of the Confederation. 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:19 | 3227971 gwar5
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Glad to see Hedges doing this, he has evolved to realize his far left sympathies were badly misplaced. He's deeply comitted to this and I applaud him. Common ground for everybody on this. But methinks he is still not yet ready to shout out 'Molon Labe'.


He sort of lost me when he plugged 'global warming' and Stiglitz. Global warming fraud is a major ideological conduit for global fascism, and Stiglitz (now an IMF'er and admitted socialist) wrote a paper fretting how the big banks can collect from indebted sovereigns. Answer to both is make countries and people lose their sovereignty to an unelected supranational entity like the UN.

Some countries are already using their military to round up homeschooled children, under UN orders, so they can be indoctrinated. US is the center of gravity for believers in individual and sovereign rights -- 2 million homeschoolers, 100 million (and counting) gun owners. If the US goes, we all go.


Go Chris! Go! Where do we donate?




Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:40 | 3228016 Max Power
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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:06 | 3228070 the misanthrope
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here try this for starters :

and if the link doesn't work, just go to lew and search !



Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:47 | 3228131 gwar5
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UN and Homeschoolers:




One of many such papers, this from 2002. It's what he does, why he's at IMF:


Excerpts Wiki:

"He also chairs ... the Socialist International Commission on Global Financial Issues and is a member of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.... ] In 2009 the President of the United Nations General Assembly Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, appointed Stiglitz as the Chairman of the U.N. Commission on Reforms of the International Monetary and Financial System, where he oversaw suggested proposals, and Commissioned a report on reforming the international monetary and financial system."


"The effect of Stiglitz's influence is to make economics even more presumptively interventionist than Samuelson preferred. Samuelson treated market failure as the exception to the general rule of efficient markets. But the Greenwald-Stiglitz theorem posits market failure as the norm, establishing "that government could potentially almost always improve upon the market's resource allocation." And the Sappington-Stiglitz theorem "establishes that an ideal government could do better running an enterprise itself than it could through privatization"[37] (Stiglitz 1994, 179).[36]


Chris Hedges, 2008,  "Why I am a Socialist":


Perhaps Chris forgot 'NAZI' was the National Socialist Workers Party. More former useful tools like him need to wake the fuck up.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:17 | 3228188 Poor Grogman
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WTF is global warming?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:00 | 3228513 GetZeeGold
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An enrichment scheme for elites backed by pseudo scientists.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:15 | 3228547 Angus McHugepenis
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I thought Global Warming was the feeling AlGoreithm got around his fat gut when he sold his TV station to Arabs.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:18 | 3228614 GetZeeGold
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He felt they best supported his policies.


Not sure if that includes teenage girls strapping bombs to themselves and committing mass murder in some market place somewhere.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:09 | 3228077 the misanthrope
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reading through the comments I was wondering when someone would point that out - nice one gwar5.

had me wondering if most here did not watch it to the end, perhaps they only went as far as the dictatorship quote ?


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:30 | 3228203 gwar5
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I don't agree with Hedges on many other things, but he is a complicated and interesting individual. He's kinda like actor Christopher Walken, you can't look away because you never know what they'll do next.


Hedges seems to be a genuine Utopian who actually believes that neo-socialism was never about power and Goldman Sachs, It's like he just found out there is no Santa Claus. Go Chris! Go!




Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:25 | 3228197 Arkadaba
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blue versus red ...

left versus right ...

and night and night and night

If you read his stuff, yes he does believe we are moving into a era of less resources. And yes global warming is part of that.

He believes it the way I do that shit is disappearing and from my observation it is true. No idea if it is global wariming but it it is global change. But it is happening kids.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:20 | 3228252 gwar5
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You're little late to the party, "Global Warming" changed it's name because there was no warming.


Hedges also wrote 'American Fascist,' an ambarrassing 200 page anti-Christian rant. Shocked he is just now finding out who the actual fascists really are. And it's all his former friends who are OK with NDAA because they think it is only meant for the 53% who will be hard to improve through re-education.


Medieval Warming Period (400 years long) and Little Ice Age (250 years long) were other natural climate changes examples, but were airbrushed and disappeared by the IPCC because they were pre-industrial age. Also, Carboniferous Period was 425 million years ago, and atm. was CO2 1500% higher than today, -- mmm, guess how it got it's name? 

"Climate Change" is only a manmade problem if the UN IPCC has a scapegoat to tax.








Sat, 02/09/2013 - 02:34 | 3228291 Arkadaba
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Climate change -I know living in the North I have seen changes over the course of my lifetime. Big changes. Changes that cant be explained out side of science.

Religion - the anti-christian thing, no problems with that as well.But beiing a non-believier guess I'm doomed.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:58 | 3228516 nmewn
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Changes does not mean we are causing it. It changed from what it was, into the way you found it when you were born.

It will be still changing long after we are all dust...its what nature does, its not static, never has been.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:36 | 3229185 Henry Hub
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***countries are already using their military to round up homeschooled children, under UN orders***


Where do you come up with this silly shit?

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:22 | 3227978 Yes_Questions
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 Is The NDAA Lawsuit Headed To The Supreme Court?


Well duh.  How else will the sheeple accept it as legal?

Its the debate, stupid.



Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:23 | 3227979 Ned Zeppelin
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The Supreme Court will hear the case and rule the provisions unconstitutional.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:06 | 3228176 Arkadaba
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I hope not.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:10 | 3228181 Divine Wind
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It is a split court with Justice Roberts, supposedly, the swing (conservative) vote. But as was seen with his last min change in the ObamaCare vote, Roberts switched sides. His vote was already cast and the majority opinion written. THEN he changed his vote.

Roberts will likely vote the way Team Obama wants him to vote.

You may be asking; "How do you know this?"

Ya see, Roberts has two children adopted from abroad, and various aspects of that adoption are said to have been carried out in a less than legal manner.

The best online summary I can find is here:

If true, Roberts' vote is in the bag.

Your rights will soon be nothing more than old ink on even older parchment.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:27 | 3228436 tip e. canoe
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i read a comment recently about a discussion only available in audio with a historian who studied the Johnson administration for years.   he noted that Chief Justice Earl Warren refused twice to chair the commission that "investigated" the JFK hit until LBJ called him on the phone and told him that "it would be a shame if the unfortunate incident in Mexico ever came out into the public".   supposedly Warren broke down in tears, relented and thus we all know that investigation as the "Warren Commission".

all anecdotal of course, but makes perfect sense.

also choose to believe that John-Boy has more skeletons in the closet than just the adoption thing.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:46 | 3228021 Teamtc321
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I didn't read the thread, and I am not watching no fucking video......agian and again. I can say fuck you, you fucking cock sucking dictotators. Got it, go fuck yourself and log the fucking IP for your bong blowing  server farm. 


Fuck off and go suck a dicktator cock you low life punks. Call the ball you fucking punks. Read the words and log it bitcheez. 


You are do what you got coming and come and get some fuckers.


Eat shit.................Political enough you fucks? No more crossing word's with you pieces of shit!!! Fuck off and eat shit!!!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:50 | 3228041 Angus McHugepenis
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Are you sure you're not LongSoupLines twin? Keep ranting bro, and don't spare the "fucks".

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:04 | 3228068 Teamtc321
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Fuck you you punk, eat shit you cocksucking twink!! Read it weep bitch. Fuck you and fuck you again.


No ranting here bitch, straight forward. Fuck off!!!  

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:08 | 3228074 Angus McHugepenis
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I was actually on your side but you seemed to have missed my support for your comment.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:28 | 3228119 Teamtc321
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Ya what ever Mcsmall pennis.

It is time some people have some balls and say fuck you to these pieces of shit. Be clear the next time you post then. It was not as you can see.Debating is coming to an end quick imo.

Total bull shit what these pieces of shit think, they can just rant in public without recourse, so I don't give a fuck what or who support's what I say. I can say go fuck yourself to all the supporter's of the dictator banker scum. Want some? Come and get it. I along with many are done crossing word's with you fucking punk's.

Eat shit and go fuck yourself's. I could care aless if you like it so go fuck off. And for you fucking twink's supporting this dictator in office, fuck all you all bankster supporters, hard and fast.


Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:35 | 3228135 Angus McHugepenis
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You're pissing in your own cornflakes. I bet you still pay taxes because you're too afraid to do otherwise.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:56 | 3228164 Teamtc321
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I'm not afraid of much Small McDick, yip, I still pay my taxes. Yip I still stop along side the road to help people with a flat tire.

Yip, and the next mouthy fucking Bankster libtard I hear saying we need more control, I'm going to knock the fuck out, then smile and walk off.Talking to you fucking twats is about over.

Eat shit corn hole twink, McsmallDick.



Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:06 | 3228174 Angus McHugepenis
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Sounds like you need a hug.

Edit: Iridium - I saw the comment you deleted mere moments before you erased it. You should have left it up.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:19 | 3228191 Teamtc321
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ZH didn't like my rant McSmallBall's. It said access denied after I posted and waaa laaaa, nothing saved, lol. It was good, it said fuck you many more times, in libtard tonque McSmallNutsack over shoulder smilin twink.

When you hit refresh, does it still say fuck you? Good deal, fuck you.




Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:41 | 3228212 Angus McHugepenis
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I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Go listen to a re-broadcast of Rachel Maddow to calm down while taking a nice hot bath salts.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:03 | 3228233 Teamtc321
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Let me slow way down while you watch Madcow nutsack Mcsmall's. See, go slower and see I'm saying, eat shit to you and your drone dropping, gun grabbing McFinkenstien twink's.

Easy eh? Good, glad you can slow up and read it nice and easy.........., it won't hurt when just slip the bankster head up in it twink.


Now go fuck off, you Alinsky, twisting it twink. Pretty straight "forward" now?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:10 | 3228234 Angus McHugepenis
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Not sure how you assumed I am a gun-grabber when I actually own several. Now fuck off little boy taxpaying fraidycat. Go help somebody change a flat tire while the rest of us lift the fucking car so you can soak in your nice hot bath salts.

Edit: Almost forgot... still need a hug?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:09 | 3228236 salvadordaly
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He is a few drinks in, let him go, he just wants to fight anyone at this moment. I kinda like his spirit. I guess cause I am just about there. Just give me a couple more, and I'm coming after you McSmallballs also! JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:12 | 3228240 Angus McHugepenis
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salvadordaly: lol, I've been drinking steadily since last Monday but I think I make more sense then whats-his-name.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:20 | 3228250 salvadordaly
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One life lesson my dad (god rest his soul) taught me,

"You can't argue with a drunk".

I've kinda fiqured that out, atleast wait till the next day or when they are sober. Then you'll hear, "did I say that"?


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:38 | 3228261 Angus McHugepenis
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I don't argue... (30 seconds to waste your time)


Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:50 | 3228143 IridiumRebel
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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:41 | 3228022 are we there yet
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Throw the sissors really high an they will scare the drones away.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:45 | 3228030 IridiumRebel
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I would like to give this +1000....I cannot, but at least you know. 

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:03 | 3228067 JimS
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Molon Labe

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:44 | 3228027 Fix It Again Timmy
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Today's typical reporter, "Mr. Powerful, I am not worthy to lick the bottom of your shoes, but do you have a tidbit that I can write about so I can earn my weekly paycheck?"  Very disgusting, isn't it?....

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:45 | 3228031 TahoeBilly2012
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Gee, I really wonder I would be thinking right now if I had remained brain washed liberal through all this? Let's see- a "black" man of the people, elected off the "streets of the USA" (cred man, cred) signs in to kill anyone, anytime.

I msut admit, brain dead Liberals seem to be happier than most right now.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 22:52 | 3228048 world_debt_slave
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Ever since the Whiskey Rebellion, TPTB have ignored the US Constitution and trampled on the rights of it's citizens without repercussion.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:17 | 3228095 One World Mafia
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As bad as the Supreme Court has been in upholding the constitution, it's hard to believe they will accept the White House interpretation of the AUMF.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:27 | 3228114 Banksters
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These 'laws' often turn back on US citizens.   Just look at how constitutionalists and libertarians have been branded extremists.

Soon the govt will be blasting people here, to keep us safe.    And of course, we have the NSA basically doing a watergate on anyone they want to watch.   Fuck, I wish people would get as pissed off as I am, so we could make some demands.


Bad laws are the worst form of tyranny- Edmund Burke

Power concedes nothing without a demand- Frederick Douglass

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:53 | 3228160 Manipuflation
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Trust me, I am probably more pissed off than you are and have been for over a decade.  We made demands under the Ron Paul Campaign in 2008 and 2012, none of which were heard, or if heard, simply stifled via procedural bullshit.  They are and have been making it clear to us what their intentions are for those of us who choose small business and an independent lifestyle.

Via my experiences with various levels of .gov and partisan politics, I now have zero faith in any centralized govt or central bank in the world.  The entire scheme has infested every politician I know all the way down to the lowest levels of what is supposed to be local government.  The system is fatally compromised.  The EU or the US, et al, can deploy as many fucking trolls or drones as they want to try to dissuade me of my convictions but it will fail.  What has been seen cannot be unseen and our numbers are only growing.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:38 | 3228447 lakecity55
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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:34 | 3228134 Divine Wind
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Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:51 | 3228158 gwar5
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gun shows

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:04 | 3228173 Sean7k
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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:06 | 3228533 GetZeeGold
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Can't open fire just yet....wouldn't be legal. No worries they'll screw up sooner or later.....they always do.


Remember the battle of Athens!

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:39 | 3228137 silverisgold
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Hedges: Obama is the soft face of imperial corporate power

and please, just because you might disagree with Hedges take on global warming, doesn't invalidate his effort.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:05 | 3228175 gwar5
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I support him 110% on this and can happily disagree on AGW.


Am glad he draws a line in the sand and I wonder if he didn't mention AGW to get his tribe on board this as well. He knows how the media works, he's been one of them. He's probably seen as just another enemy of the state now. No one is allowed to disagree on anything in the emerging new normal. He can't go back.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:15 | 3228244 Dapper Dan
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Yes, he knows the media, he was with the NYT  as a Foreign Correspondent (1990-2005)

he was let go, he would not conform!

Chris is the real deal,

for those that don,t know about Chris Hedges  I would recommend a visit to the following link.



Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:48 | 3228578 Moe Howard
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But somehow he conformed for 15 fucking years.

And he is still a hard core leftist.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 21:17 | 3229665 mendolover
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Very informative interview.  Thanks Dan!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 05:11 | 3228279 Angus McHugepenis
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Serious question: Where does a guy like Chris Hedges get the cash to fund these courtroom dramas? I have never seen a reporter ask ANYONE, EVER, regardless who they are, how they fund these expensive endeavors. The lawyers have nothing to gain by winning so they must be getting paid by someone, somewhere.

Follow the money bitchez.

Edit: *** crickets ***

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:16 | 3228393 bunnyswanson
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Christopher Lynn "Chris" Hedges (born September 18, 1956) is an American journalist specializing in American politics and society. Hedges is also known as the best-selling author of several books including War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning (2002)—a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award for NonfictionEmpire of Illusion: The End of Literacy and the Triumph of Spectacle (2009), Death of the Liberal Class (2010) and his most recent New York Times best seller, written with the cartoonist Joe Sacco, "Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt" (2012).

Chris Hedges is currently a senior fellow at The Nation Institute in New York City.[1] He spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than fifty countries, and has worked for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News, and The New York Times,[2] where he was a foreign correspondent for fifteen years (1990–2005).

In 2002, Hedges was part of the team of reporters at The New York Times awarded the Pulitzer Prize for the paper's coverage of global terrorism. He also received in 2002 the Amnesty International Global Award for Human Rights Journalism. He has taught at Columbia University, New York University, Princeton University[2] and The University of Toronto. He writes a weekly column on Mondays for Truthdig and authored what The New York Times described as "a call to arms" for the first issue of The Occupied Wall Street Journal, the newspaper giving voice to the Occupy Wall Street protests in Zuccotti Park, New York City.



[edit] Biography [edit] Personal life

Christopher Lynn Hedges was born in St. Johnsbury, Vermont, the son of a Presbyterian minister, the Rev. Thomas Hedges. He grew up in rural Schoharie County, New York, graduated from the Loomis Chaffee School in Windsor, Connecticut, in 1975 and attended Colgate University where he received a B.A. in English Literature. He later gained a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, where he studied under James Luther Adams. He was awarded an honorary doctorate in May 2009 from the Unitarian Universalist seminary, Starr King School for the Ministry, in Berkeley, California.[3]

Chris Hedges is married to the Canadian actress Eunice Wong; they have two children. Hedges also has two children from a previous marriage.[3]

[edit] Political views

Hedges is a critic of Israel's policies towards Palestinians, and was also an early critic of the Iraq War. In May 2003, Hedges delivered a commencement address at Rockford College in Rockford, Illinois, saying: "We are embarking on an occupation that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige and power and security."[4]

His newspaper, The New York Times, criticized his statements and issued him a formal reprimand for "public remarks that could undermine public trust in the paper's impartiality."[5] Shortly after the incident, Hedges left The New York Times to become a senior fellow at The Nation Institute, in addition to writing books and teaching.[5][6]

In his December 29, 2008, column for Truthdig, Hedges identified himself as a "socialist" in contrast to what he sees as "ruthless totalitarian capitalism."[7] On November 4 2011, Hedges was arrested with others in New York as part of the Occupy Wall Street demonstration.[8][9] Hedges has appeared on the syndicated Democracy Now! television program.[10] [11] and George Stroumboulopoulos Tonight. [12]

[edit] NDAA lawsuit Main article: Hedges v. Obama

In 2012, after the Obama Administration signed the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, Hedges sued members of the U.S. government claiming that section 1021 of the law unconstitutionally allowed presidential authority for indefinite detention without habeas corpus. He was later joined in the suit, Hedges v. Obama, by activists including Noam Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg. In May 2012, Judge Katherine B. Forrest of the Southern District of New York ruled that the counter-terrorism provision of the NDAA is unconstitutional.[13] The Obama administration has appealed the decision.

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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:07 | 3228420 Angus McHugepenis
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And... where is he currently getting the MONEY to pay the lawyers for his latest windmill attack?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:29 | 3228439 bunnyswanson
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Persistent like a hemorrhoid, eh.  Donations, best selling authors may have some spare change, lawyers who ask for donations.  It's not important unless you are trying to insinuate Chris Hedges is a puppet put in place to do the obvious so that no one else will.  I saw him state on camera that his concern was for his young daughter.  He seems sincere to me.  If it is so important to you, ask him yourself.  I did find this:

Ways to help out:

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We are lawyers, plaintiffs, and civil liberties advocates involved in the Hedges v. Obama lawsuit and other activism to fight the NDAA - specifically the "indefinite detention" provision.

Indefinite detention was passed as part of the fiscal 2012 National Defense Authorization Act and signed into law by President Obama on New Years Eve last Decemb. It would allow the military to detain civilians -- even Americans -- indefinitely and without charge or trial.

The provision being fought (Section 1021 of the NDAA) suspends due process and seriously threatens First Amendment rights. Judge Katherine Forrest ruled entirely in favor of the plaintiffs earlier this month, calling Section 1021 completely unconstitutional and granting a permanent injunction against its enforcement.

The Obama DOJ has vigorously opposed these efforts, and immediately appealed her ruling and requested an emergency stay on the injunction - claiming the US would incur "irreparable harm" if the president lost the power to use Section 1021 - and detain anyone, anywhere "until the end of hostilities" on a whim. This case will probably make its way to the Supreme Court.

You can read more about the lawsuit here:

Participants in this conversation:

First hour or so: Chris Hedges, lead plaintiff, author, and Pulitzer Prize winning former NYTimes reporter. Username == hedgesscoop

Starting in the second hour or so: Daniel Ellsberg, plaintiff and Pentagon Papers leaker. Username == ellsbergd

Starting about two hours in:

Bruce Afran, attorney. Username == bruceafran

Carl Mayer, attorney. Username == cyberesquire


Tangerine Bolen: plaintiff and lawsuit coordinator, director of RevolutionTruth. Username == TangerineBolenRT

David Segal: Former RI state representative, Exec Director of Demand Progress. Username == davidadamsegal

Proof (will do our best to add more as various individuals join in):, with today's paper, ready for Reddit:

Update 1: Chris had to run off for 20 min. Back now, as of 12:40 -- sorry for the delay.Update 2: As of 1:20 Daniel Ellsberg is answering questions. We have Chris for a few more mins, and expect the lawyers to join in about an hour. Update 3 As of 2pm ET our lawyers are on. Chris had to leave.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:42 | 3228446 Angus McHugepenis
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Dear Bunny. You're fucking right I am Goddam persistent because it's blind sheeple that ALWAYS FORGET to follow the money.

Let CH himself explain his finances. He doesn't need your mouthpiece.

The CH fanboys here are very persistent but I doubt you have the same drive to ask the questions of your Commander in Thief.

Mark my words... Chris Hedges will run for political office VERY SOON. I bet you can't wait.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:00 | 3228461 bunnyswanson
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Let the majority rule, that is all that I want.  There are so few people who have a recognizable name who have stood up and said, "wtf is going on here?"  Where are the Hollywoord stars, the rock stars, the legends on this?  Where is the music that should be putting bankers on the cross after describing entire lives ruined, never to recover in this new economy?  There are people having heart attacks and strokes over this.  Some are so struck with the terror always associated with a hopeless situation.  Extended credit to fuel a man through his sordid reign as king of America, the dog and pony show just never ends does it, or does it end when it is too late.  You are right.  This could be a controlled release of information so the masses get at least a wind of it; after all, there is an element of truth to every rumor they say.

So fucking what is what I say.

If not him, who?  You?  Mark my words, you'll be in the unit by the skid row residents if you are able to dig a hole.  Your property will be forfeited for the good of your nation and you'll become slaves at the mercy of which ever foreign investor now owns the only place in town to work.




Support the Lawsuit Citizens are losing their freedoms and we need your help to win them back!

Your assistance is critical to getting word out to the national media so that all citizens understand what is happening to their rights. We need your help, urgently, to WIN this case in the court of appeals and, if need be, in the Supreme Court.

Can you help us? Please donate any amount you can to help us cover court costs and get media exposure for this incredible battle to win back our rights to due process and free speech! Please share widely to everyone you can. Thank you!

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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:29 | 3228471 Angus McHugepenis
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Majority rule is a quaint concept. It's been working great so far.

The problem with people in the media who are always saying "WTF" is that they NEVER actually DO ANYTHING except flap their spittle laden lips (Alex Jones, Max Keiser, whatever).

I'm going to tell you a little secret that I learned from the Queen of England. I rule my land, I own everything in my land, yet nothing is in my name. Therefore it cannot be taken from me either by force or by fraud.

Fuck me, I missed it in your post. You are trolling for fucking donations on ZH? Bailiff, whack his peepee.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:12 | 3228660 alien-IQ
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You are not "persistent" are just plain stupid.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3228445 Tango in the Blight
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From the royalties of the 10 books he wrote maybe? And maybe from his buddies Chomsky and Ellsberg.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:45 | 3228458 Angus McHugepenis
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Must be nice to live your life vicariously through other people. In this case, Chris Hedges and his pals.

Now lets get this really rocking... how did his buddies Noam and Danny maker THEIR MONEY?

See, you ain't following the money.

Edit: If you think CH is spending his OWN MONEY you are seriously fucking delusional.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:21 | 3228433 smacker
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Looks to me like a guy who has spent a large part of his life working inside The Matrix but has become increasingly disallusioned as he discovers it has aims which are ever more evil. He is now speaking out.

Not unlike the ex-CIA guy John Kiriakou who's recently been awarded 2.5 years in prison for exposing CIA direct involvement in criminal torture.

These two stories probably have a number of common threads, one of them being that Obama has turned out to be at least as bad as Bush in blatant violation of the American Constitution.

BTW: neither of these stories have been covered by UK MSM.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:59 | 3228412 samsara
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You have such GREAT opinions,  Can you give us a link to the books you wrote,  or other writings ?  Your website maybe?

Or are you a disinformationalist working for Obama and are  just visiting?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:26 | 3228487 Angus McHugepenis
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Yes I can. As soon as you ask Chris Hedges who is paying for all of his lawsuits and reply back with the info forthwith.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:03 | 3228652 alien-IQ
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The funding for the lawsuit comes from donations made here:

Furthermore, the law firm handing the suit is described as follows: "The Carl Mayer Law Group LLC is a small public interest law firm dedicated to restoring civil liberties and ending the tyranny of corporatized state power over American citizens".

The fees charged by this type of firm is not in the same rarefied stratosphere as the corporate apologists that pose as lawyers who defend the Goldman Sachs of the world for $2000 per hour.

The above information was easily accessible and had you bothered to take so much as 2 minutes to look for it you could have found it yourself rather than pose what you thought was a loaded question that would "expose" someone as being (fill in the blank). Instead, the only thing you really managed to expose is that you are too lazy to search for answers to your own questions.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 13:04 | 3228751 tip e. canoe
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well played alien.   also, cheers to gwar for giving props to CH for his actions even though he disagrees with CH's ideologies.   that's how you snooker the divide & rule trick.

Fri, 02/08/2013 - 23:44 | 3228140 Banksters
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The drone argument is another fucked up issue.   I don't care who you are, if your family becomes collateral damage because of Obama, you've just become a permanent enemy of the US.   The cynical among us, count me in, believe this is precisely what the govt wants- an endless war on terror.    And how many times have they've killed the #2 man in alciada.   Regardless, what do we expect these people to do, accept being bombed in their own country?  



Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:21 | 3228192 Spastica Rex
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Wait till the drone thing happens in the U.S. I can't wait to see how it's spun by CNN. That is if I'm not a causality. I hope the tough guys have guns that can stop a Reaper.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:46 | 3228216 Manipuflation
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We don't need guns to do that, we have the following.  And Old Milwaukee as a first and last resort.  This video appears to have occurred in New York though.(?)

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:48 | 3228219 Spastica Rex
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I guess that might work.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:16 | 3228475 Go Tribe
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"Tough On Crime" - just like during the Nixon years.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:21 | 3228193 JR
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Every 1.5 seconds a gun is being purchased in America.

“For the last two months Americans have been lining up in unprecedented numbers at gun shops and gun shows across the country. In fact, demand has been so massive that the FBI’s background check system in a number of states crashed as a result of being overwhelmed.

In January, some 2.4 million requests were sent to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which ranks last month as the second busiest in U.S. history.

“It was second only to the 2.7 million people who purchased guns in December 2012.

“In the last twelve months, over 20 million background checks have been performed by the FBI.”

Those are the facts, according to Mac Slavo today on

In short, it’s coming to a head. People literally are up in arms - about the drones; the assassinations, the CIA, the trashing of their bill of rights, the injustice, the illegal wars… One of the major reasons Obama won – even if it was the vote of illegal and manipulated immigration that elected him - is that the people feared the neocons and their wars. And, now, it’s going to blow up in his handlers’ faces.

There’s a rising resentment in this country. Hedges is right; but because of the Internet and the Hedges and the Zero Hedges, people are aware and starting to complain.

And they’re buying guns. And all of them are talking about having guns to protect themselves against the government. We’re living in a time when America is getting close to revolution. And as she gets close to the tipping point, the politicians, like the disgusting Senator Lindsey Graham, are going to cave like the weak sisters that they are.

Obama was the perfect candidate to institute this tyranny designed by the CFR, by the international bankers.  He had a chip on his shoulder against the United States, against white people. He disliked the way the whites were running the country; and from that standpoint he was ideal for the bankers’ purposes. In addition, he has no character, and he loves luxury, and he loves being in the public eye; and he’s arrogant. He was ideal.

The people have to take back their country from the bankers and one of the ways to do this is to have it blow up in the bankers' faces. We’re going to know very soon. The fuse is lit. They’re out of control, corrupting everything. And Obama is desperately hated by the people who count.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:21 | 3228671 mendolover
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Do you think it's too late to find a gun for home defense?  How easy is it to buy bullets?  Aaaahaahaaahaaaa!!!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 19:25 | 3229491 Winston Churchill
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Was in Gander Mountain yesterday.No shortage of guns or ammo.Not

in the 7.62 or 223 variety though.Plenty of 308 rifles and ammo.

Better than scissors.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:55 | 3228225 dwdollar
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Every new law of the empire forces more people into the ranks of the rebellion. Every empire signs its own death warrant.

Let me give you pathetic paper stawk jugglers a free tip. People aren't buying guns by the crate so they can sell them back in 3 months for hookers and blow.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 00:57 | 3228230 Troy Ounce
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You will get what you sow.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:40 | 3228262 Falconsixone
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Not if the government/aliens sprays it all summer.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:19 | 3228248 The Joker
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I was watching CNN headline news this morning...cause robin is hot.  They were showing several different pictures of this guy.  The photos were obviously photo shopped.  Same smile, same eyes, same wrinkles, just some different background and highllights added.  Very suspicious.  I'm not sure I buy it. 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 01:37 | 3228260 tony bonn
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the united states is ruled by a nazi junta - heirs of the very same people who brought us world war 2, jfk assassination, vietnam, 9/11, and a vast array of crimes against humanity... obama will prevail - he is the indonesian puppet of the bush crime syndicate and rockefeller axis of evil....america is a nazi military dictatorship today and most people are too fucking stupid to know it.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 02:00 | 3228273 Falconsixone
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NDAA is a distruction prod.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 02:19 | 3228285 ebworthen
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It is the duty, professional and patriotic, of the MSM to cover this story.

If the N.D.A.A. is not overturned completely it is lights out for the U.S.A. 

Very late even to hope for restoration of liberty but it is all we have left besieds REVOLUTION!

Beware Supreme Court, and the rest of the Judiciary, and the Police and Armed Forces of the U.S. . .  .


Protect our rights and the Constitution or SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 02:39 | 3228296 WallowaMountainMan
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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 03:43 | 3228320 dark pools of soros
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many sheep ...  few wolves...


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 04:09 | 3228329 besnook
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this case is a moot point. if the supremes say it is constitutional then .gov can do it in the open. if the court says it isn't constitutional do you really think that will stop .gov.

on the bright side, the hunt for the cop killer in california exposes the behavior of the police when their own skin is at risk. a few more copycats and they will have to supply diapers as standard issue. the police can't take the heat when it is aimed at them.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:43 | 3228568 moonstears
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Speaking on that Ca killer, concerning to J6P should be that  they shot up 2 blue trucks in the early hours. I KNOW/HOPE that's not their training, that's manpower (officer) intellect abort. Somebody calls in that they saw this Christopher dude in a silver midsize foreign car and half of Californians will be in the fuckin' hospital, w/ gunshot wounds, at this rate.(on the bright side, LAPD evidently couldn't kill two ladies delivering newspapers with 50 rounds, so that's indicative of their success rate?)

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:21 | 3228619 Jim in MN
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Good "excuse" to implant tracking chips in their mercenaries though, just in case, eh?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:38 | 3228702 Winston of Oceania
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Don't forget the NYC cops who shot seven or nine people trying to kill a guy who never even got off a shot. I bet they were shitting themselves the whole time!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 04:29 | 3228339 kurt
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The meanest person in the welfare office is the supervisor whose family is a multigenerational recipient. Odd that a black president is wagonmaster on the last roundup. What horrible advise, and from whom, as he is duped into riding the last, best hope, destroying 800 years of human progress.


There's a fist in a fisted glove

And the Eagle eats the dove

If you can't be with the one you love

Kill the one you're with

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 05:49 | 3228363 cherry picker
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The politicians who voted for this and Obama are guilty of treason and should be tried as such.

The Nobel Peace Prize should be stripped from Obama as he is the only Nobel Peace Prize winner I heard of who has a license to murder.

I am not racist, nor follow any political party.  I am a human who finds these aberrations of the Constituion and morality not only unnacptable but demand that these people who work for us are held to account, all actions by the CIA nd other covert intelligennce agencies made public and Eric Holder brought to trial for Fast and Furious.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 06:26 | 3228378 Angus McHugepenis
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Guys like Chris Hedges are getting older (57) and have been around and seen a lot of things. How is he now in the media & political spotlight all of a sudden after all the years he spent in war zones and the media? His "passion" never changed, yet he's switched to fighting court battles that cost (waste) millions that will accomplish NOTHING except get him media attention, and I'm sure he's not fronting the money to pay the lawyers himself. Watch for him to declare he's running for office somewhere... soon. He's setting up his political gravy train for his old age. He couldn't give a shit about global fucking warming or anything other than making sure he's comfy-cozy in his twilight years at taxpayers expense.

Ron Paul spent over 30 years in politics yet did virtually NOTHING outside of Texas until he became an old man cult figure in his 70's with little chance of winning a Presidential election due to his age. His fanatic supporters quickly vanished into thin air after his second attempt, and his son Rand is looking more like the devil every day. If the TPTB wanted to throw a wrench into any organized rebellion, they couldn't have planned it better. Ron Paul was a false old geezer hope, and he shattered the hopes of many.

I'm sick and tired of these old fuckers coming out of their shells in the last years of their lives and stirring up shit that they can't and won't back up with the vigor of their own youth they had decades ago.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:16 | 3228394 Peterus
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Don't forget how there are really brilliant accomplished people (in real science, business etc) that even to this day believe status quo is moral and "normal" state of affairs. We've all went through public schools (even private school that has to go over the curriculum stamped by "civil servants" is not much different). Also, this water is boiling very slowly. 20 years ago it was hot enough to complain, but it did not seem to be dangerous. Now it's scalding so now people that got out for a second to feel the difference are screaming. If they screamed than, they would look like idiots. Why are you screaming - I actually like to sit in a little hot water like that! This is not an easy trap to get away from.

Also while I have no tolerance for lefty dogma and their crooked logic - I can't attack Hedges integrity. He seems to be honest man that also leans a lot to the left. For a person like this courts will be natural way to go and after all it is not pointless it can slow down the process. It does not go for the fundamentals, but seriously - how is it pointless? He declares his own contept for NDAA, should he stop on this?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:26 | 3228397 Angus McHugepenis
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Watch for Chris Hedges to SOON enter politics and try to get elected for some type of position. If he does, all his past credibility goes down the toilet.

And why can nobody answer where he is getting all the money to pursue these court cases?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 06:39 | 3228384 Peter Pan
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What the law might disallow, the administration will do nevertheless by having subcontractors do it for them.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 06:58 | 3228387 negative rates
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If there is a law that needs to be changed, and you can not change it. You must break it!

 Because there is a law for theyin's, and a law for wein's, and they AINT the same law.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:04 | 3228526 paint it red ca...
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correction - they'uns & we'uns

if your gonna type with an Appalachian accent, be loyal to the phonetics

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:14 | 3228392 lakecity55
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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:47 | 3228406 Angus McHugepenis
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NDAA = red arrows on ZH

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 07:57 | 3228410 AnAnonymous
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Hedges states: “at that point we’ve just become a military dictatorship.”

And at this point, the whole lot of Humanity is lost, as we Americans stand as the last hope for Mankind.

Signed: an American.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:03 | 3228417 Angus McHugepenis
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Nice to see the Chinese are logging in so early in the morning. How's the roadside shitting going?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:12 | 3228425 AnAnonymous
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Probably not well enough to cover for the smell of all the corpses 'americans' lay around...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:19 | 3228430 Angus McHugepenis
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I'm not American you fuckwit. Why do you have to be such a Mr. Poopypants and ruin everyones breakfast?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:50 | 3228644 Monedas
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WARNING:  My next post may make liberals .... uncomfortable !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:55 | 3228648 Tursas
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Obama still has to triple the military spending to become number among our past rulers...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:22 | 3228434 Monedas
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Chris Hedges .... a zero in my book .... however, his fear of government and a military take over .... are hopeful signs of intelligent life !  He has to be .... has to be .... an ardent supporter, then, of the 2nd Amendment .... and must understand .... that it's intent was to allow the citizenry .... to retain sufficient military capability .... to have a fighting chance .... of creating mischief .... for a rogue government                    and has nothing at all to do with hunting, target shooting and home defense .... rights so basic to Americans .... that it wasn't deemed necessary to enumerate them .... by the Founding Fathers !      Soooo, Chris, baby .... you must be a charter member of the NRA ?           I'm Monedas .... don't fuck with me .... liberal half wits !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:47 | 3228453 samsara
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Wondered when you would show up.

You come here with that leftist vs rightist crap caring nothing more than to degenerate the dialogue back to the us vs them false dichotomies.

The NEW and IMPROVED Rep. Vs Dem.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:58 | 3228459 Monedas
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Good morning, Samsara !  Thanks for noticing me !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:22 | 3228483 Angus McHugepenis
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I miss the Comedy Jihad. I want my Comedy Jihad and I want it right fucking now. Thanks.

PS: Stop strangling that dog in your avatar.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:32 | 3228490 Monedas
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I'm sure a fatwa has already been issued .... for my making fun .... of the serious business .... of JIHAD !  You want me to be murdered in my bed ? I use it more over at TFMR .... where I'm more of a humourist .... here I want to be noticed for my serious, scholarly .... uh, er .... common sense approach to life's problems !        Monedas     1929      Comedy Jihad Kiss My Ass Good Bye World Tour 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:36 | 3228495 Angus McHugepenis
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Not to worry. I have a cave in Afghan you can hide out in for a while. Plenty of ammo and beer, but no food. And watch where you walk if you have to take a piss during the night. It's 8,000 feet down.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 13:54 | 3228824 Clever Name
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Oh, why why why! I was about to give him some props for straying from the comedy jihad thing, thats really annoying. He was starting to make some decent points!

Still dont like your writing style there Monedas, but theres some hope for you yet.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:44 | 3228574 samsara
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It's comical to see them continue amongst themselves.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:45 | 3228576 Angus McHugepenis
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Give your Bunny a hug for me.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:47 | 3228639 Monedas
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Looks like I touched a liberal nerve .... with this post .... it's a home run !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:36 | 3228444 Monedas
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We need an Amendment 2a .... the right to keep an axe and saw in the wood shed, a cleaver and spatula in the kitchen and scissors and needles in the sewing room !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 08:46 | 3228452 Monedas
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I do not subscribe to the anti-Zionist position .... that the world is ruled by three Jewish banker kings .... Larry, Moe and Curly .... or by those other stooges .... Manny, Moe and Jack !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:05 | 3228463 Monedas
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Is it true .... as I have heard .... that the Saudi royal family .... is descended from Jewish patriarchs ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:41 | 3228496 f16hoser
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Do we have a Supreme Court? I think NDAA will be just fine.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 09:57 | 3228511 Cloud9.5
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It is immoral to obey an immoral law.   The NDAA breaches the social contract.  We are in a state of nature.  Govern yourselves accordingly.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 10:29 | 3228561 dcb
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good post, thank you rfor keeping me updated on this impt topic that is being ignored by conventional media

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:15 | 3228604 Monedas
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It's funny .... people like OWS .... who threaten civil disobedience .... don't take umbrage .... in the 2nd Amendment's .... acknowlegement of their right .... to resort to arms .... when a government goes rogue .... is it because .... they are government hole lickers .... whose real aim .... is to impose a draconian regime .... that will abolish all rights ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:16 | 3228610 Jim in MN
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The simple, amoeba-like reflex to grab on to power 'just because' while expecting someone else to put the appropriate limits in place (who else?  Their moms?) is simply revolting.  This is the overriding psychopathic impulse we see in maxi-state fascists and global elite kleptocrats alike. 

To say that the institutional incentives are simply aligned to favor unrestrained aggregation of power at the risk of destroying society is tantamount to admitting that these institutions need to be forcibly torn apart and rendered powerless.

And yet we sit. 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 13:09 | 3228755 tip e. canoe
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quoted below, fits well here:  "All that is needed for evil to flourish is for enough good people to sit and do nothing". - JStalin

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3229222 TheGardener
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Calm down, benevolent parasitic lifeforms need to be
given plenty of room , they will benefit our roots !

Check mykorrhiza.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 18:53 | 3229430 Parrotile
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It's mycorrhiza, and they are generally symbionts, not parasites.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:30 | 3228623 Monedas
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It was New England "Progressives" like Chris Hedges .... that fanned the flames .... of the Civil War .... resulting in 500K dead Americans .... and a federal government out of control .... which they now publicly complain of .... but, which they secretly .... want to replace with a "Tyrannisaurus Rex" socialist tyranny !  Liberals are liars !  North Korean Communists are refreshingly candid .... about their intentions !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:19 | 3228667 mendolover
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Does anyone think the bastards running (or not) North Korea don't know what will happen to them if they shot a nuke our way?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:31 | 3228625 Atomizer
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Obama makes war look Good - Satire


Silence peasants.. Supreme Court will deem NDAA as a tax!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:33 | 3228628 JR
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EDITORIAL: Rambo Supports Assault Weapon Ban

“I know people get (upset) and go, `They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?” –  “the ludicrous hypocrisy” of Sylvester Stallone

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:39 | 3228634 Monedas
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I want a remake of the movie "Twins" .... casting Stallone and Gov. Christie .... as the twins ?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 12:16 | 3228666 mendolover
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Everybody bitching about Chris Hedges.  Who's the bigger problem, Hedges or assholes like Stallone and Jim Carey.  Thanks for the support Bruce Willis!

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 14:28 | 3228885 TheGardener
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Thanks we can lay those movie characters to rest and their
anti-gun propaganda roles in hollywood promotions of SENSELESS violence.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:34 | 3228629 Monedas
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With ass holes like Chris Hedges .... was it really necessary .... to import "talent" .... like Piers Morgan ?  If I were a lying, home grown liberal .... I would be insulted !

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 11:47 | 3228640 larry david
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How the hell is the government paying for all this technology again? While being multiple (hundreds would be a good starting point?) trillions deep in debt and "obligations", no less??


Fuck. The. Fed.

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