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Is China Mobilizing For A War With Japan?
We don't know if it merely a coincidence that a story has emerged discussing a Chinese mobilization in response to the ongoing territorial feud with Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands (and the proximal massive gas field) the very week that China celebrates its new year (and days after news that a Chinese warship was very close to firing on a Japanese destroyer). We don't know how much of the story is based in reality, and how much may be propaganda or furthering someone's agenda. What we do know is that the source of the story: offshore-based, Falun Gong-affiliated NTDTV has historically been a credible source of information that the China communist party desperately tries to censor, such as breaking the news of the SARS epidemic in 2003 some three weeks before China publicly admitted it. Its motto is "to bring truthful and uncensored information into and out of China." If that is indeed the case, and its story of major troop movements and mobilization of various types of military vehicles and artillery into the Fujian and Zhejian provinces, bordering the East China Sea and closest to the Diaoyu islands, is accurate, then hostilities between China and Japan may be about to take a major turn for the worse.
Fujian and Zhejian provinces highlighted below:
The clip that NTDTV released late yesterday covering the news is presented below.
As for the accompanying commentary, we recreate it below in its entirety so nothing is lost in translation (original source).
NTDTV February 8, 2013 News - the continental network transmission, Fujian and Zhejiang troops for several days active. Plus before the news that Chinese warships radar has repeatedly aimed at the Japanese ships and planes, therefore, the media have speculated that China may "prepare for war" Diaoyu Islands .
According to friends broke the news: February 3, Nan'an, Fujian Highway 308, artillery units practical exercise for several days.
February 3 to 6, Fujian, Xiamen, Zhangzhou, Huzhou, a large troop movements, nearly 100 vehicles of various types of military vehicles, armored vehicles, artillery filled the entire road, endless, Xiamen and even the scene of a traffic jam 10 kilometers.
In addition, on February 3 in Shiyan, Hubei, a large number of tanks, wheeled military base from Shiyan room counties is delivered to the coastal areas. Many local residents of the tense situation of some concern.
Prior to this allegation, January 15 and 30, the Chinese navy guided missile frigate, twice the fire control radar lock frigates and ship-borne helicopters of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, is also considered to enter a combat state.
According to mainland media quoted the "People's Daily" front-page article claiming that China will not change in point of view on the issue of the Diaoyu Islands , and have to prepare to win the war.
The international media alleged that China has purchased from Russia 239 engine, used in the manufacture of the H-6K. Combat covering the Diaoyu Islands, in this model, the engine can also be used to manufacture transported -20 transport aircraft purchased.
If the engine assembled, will greatly enhance China's military power.
Integrated these signs and reports, people have come to a startling conclusion: Day might want to go to war.
According to military experts, the Sino-Japanese war in the Diaoyu Islands, Fujian and Zhejiang provinces, is the most important logistical base. If the war to expand, at any time, will spread to the provinces of Fujian, Zhejiang.
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Note to Chinese Tank drivers when liberating those islands. Dont hit the turning brakes or your ass is getting wet.
Why would they need heavy tanks to invade tiny islands????? I think these islands belong to China based on the historical record. Why Japanese would invade mainland China in these two provinces???? It does not make sense from the military point of view but something bigger may be brewing.
I hope that USA stays completely out of any mess there. Enough of wars. If others want to kill each other, let them fight their wars.
China could never win a modern war against a people so acclimated to radiation.
Lol.
full disclosure: I am Japanese (American)...went to a nice Chinese restaurant last nite, and I am Year of the Snake.
Well then Happy new year, and I apologize in advance for my Connie Chung and Pearl Harbor comments further down the thread...
War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left.
Like farting in elevator, wrong on many levels.
There will be no war between China and Japan because everyone knows that it can only escalate with unforeseen consequences once it begins.
"everyone" does not include lunatics or the money behind war. To them, it's very profitable.
If it is over resources then yes they will fight Japan.
China is already battling the West in a cold war for Africa's resources:
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/02/07/patrick-henningsen-mali-a-footh...
maybe the chinese want to encapsulate fukajima? its still a hotspot on this globe.....i wouldn't want to live within 1000 miles of it
Your point?
Just like WWII when Japan invaded China? It's day's like these when economy's collapse, politician's look to take people's minds off thier failings and want to become "the great war leaders". Death,death and misery await the World once again. Remember, only the victor gets to write the history books and enslave the people.
If i was Japan, i would announce they have turned nuclear like now.
China can do what China wants to do. All they have to do is pull the ambassador aside and say, "Stay the fuck out of it or we will dump your bonds."
The end.
"Fujian Highway 308,"
308 coincedence? i think not...i heard highway 76251 is very similar
xin nián kuài lè.
fàng bian pào.
The timing is right:
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2013/02/dow-14000-world-war-three.html
.....................................................STILL............................................LOADING.......................................................
Fire ONE...ok, fire TWO...ok fire THREE!
What do you mean nothing is working? What? The guy who stole the technology from the US is living in the US now with the money he stole from quality control?
What??? Command says just drink some baijiu and press on? WE ARE FUCKED!!!
...BEIJING...WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!
What is that Command, say again..? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyzUwdtSous
That's right. They've mutated to have super powers.
They don't need heavy vehicles for tiny islands. Taiwan on the other hand...
Head fake Japan, conquer Taiwan...
I thought Korea until i saw the map. Taiwan seems more likely as you observed still that seems silly too unless Taiwan is building a new weapon system now that obama has clearly abandoned them by giving F-16s to Egypt and refusing to sell them to Taiwan. Stupid economics and stupid foreign policy.
Taiwan, the disputed islands and some long overdue payback to Japan (if the Japanese insist).
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the (comfort) women.
Were I Tiawan I would something more than F-16's
One of the many reasons I don't take anything ZH "thinks" in geopolitical terms seriously is this sort of article.
Mobilizing "NEARLY 100 VEHICLES!.
This is the sort of sensationalist story that, were this blog not full of apocalypse-anticipating weirdos would be laughed at.
IF China was mobilizing for war you would not see "Nearly 100 Vehicles of various types" You would see several thousand vehicles - major movements of air-power including transports, fighters, tankers, patrol aircraft, you would see tens-of-thousands of front-line troops and reservists being sent to the region from all over the mainland - you would see a huge build-up of naval assets - landing craft included and most of all you would expect PRC media outlets to start ratcheting up rhetoric to the point that it would be impossible to mistake their intentions.
But don't expect such rudimentary analysis here, that this blog thinks "nearly 100 vehicles" is what to expect when the PRC really means business you need to seriously have a look at the PLA and PLAAF.
For islands the size of your backyard 100 vehicles is the equivalent of D-Day.
how many of that 100 vehicles are rickshaws?
Why create a panic or give a warning by moving all the vehicles at once? Just move 100 per day for 2 or 3 months. There is no rush.
Your here, so you must be included in the apocalypse-anticipating weirdos clause?
This war would be almost entirely naval/airforce in nature. The armor might be to control their own people should war actually break out (riots, ect if trade is disrupted). It is common Chinese practice to pull in troops from other providences to put down local insurrections.
Yep. Those tanks are going to be no help anywhere but Formosa. But they will never arrive. How many exocet type missles do you figure a major maritime nation like Japan has? This is going to make the last attempted Chinese invasion of Japanquo look like a big success.
3 heavy tanks would cover the entire island; just you try to land your own tanks, fire and maneuver!
If you are still using tanks to fight a war, they you are not paying attention...
Good point, TO THE PRINTING PRESSES!
Currency war > trade wars > real wars? In this insane and egostistical world of greed and corruption real wars are what sperates the men from the boys, the cock and balls from the tiny pin dick. Currency warfare can only go so far before the real wars begin, people and nations become desperate; nations fall or nations conqeur. You just have to ask; how powerful are the supposed 'law makers' and 'servants of justice', 'beholders and granters of civil liberties' because in times of facism, communism and police state esq surroundings people don't get asked what to do; they get told what to do.
Those aren't tanks. They are mobile artillery.
Lunch Wagons serving freedom fries...
We will bring those Seaguls demockracy. They will like it, and they will beg for more.
and latkes
This is not about Japan, its about Iran.
The Chinese are saying by their actions that if you (USA) takes Iran we will take some territory from you while you are busy
"Why Japanese would invade mainland China in these two provinces???? It does not make sense from the military point of view but something bigger may be brewing.
I hope that USA stays completely out of any mess there."
Dear FinarCorrapse
I know China has a LOT of people, with a LOT of time to engage in many tasks of the state but could you be a little more subtle?
Zackly. Looks like Taiwan to me (unless these are underwater tanks to protect the gas fields
The US will stay out of this one because the other side can shoot back.
Like the LAPD...
But they might not have a choice either.
if like LAPD usa will fire at malaysia
The tanks are for more than the islands. If other countries jump int this, China will have to react. Viet Nam and China have been adversaries for 40 years. Viet Nam is allowing US warships to use their harbors for refueling and resupply, for instance. There are many other countries in the region that do not appreciate China's stance as a bully. China would like them to know who is boss, these tank practices are also muscle flexing for intimidation purposes.
There are 25 million more men in China than women. Think about it.
Not just men. But young men. Of fighting age.
Maybe China is working on burying their excess population at sea?
Who, while in a perpetual state of horny, have no problem signing up for plundering, pillaging and raping.
There are 25 million more men in China than women. Think about it.
The hand-cream and tissue businesses will be booming.
"Think about it."
Oh I am, sugar. I am!
When in the last hundred years has the US stayed out of a good war? C'mon...
Oh. Happy Birthday Federal Reserve!
A Federal Reserve currency war leads to real war.
We can see the results of a US Fed consulted Japan.
NIce job Fed, print us into war.
Obama won a Nobel Prize for Peace, Yet is acting like a violent war lord.
Watch for him to enter the fray.
And you believe ownership means anything? And you think the USA isn't involved?
Yeah I think they will have a problem when the sea starts sloshing over the turrets of those tanks. How long can a Chinese tank driver hold his breath?
Well there went the element of surprise. If something was really going to happen, would they be broadcasting it over the news?
Why not? Like who would seriously be surprised?
Does the US really have to take sides in this one?
I think the US is happy about this. They might even be partially responsible.
Krugman ordered it.
"takey outey"
And you thought broken windows boosted GDP...
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The US won't respond but there will be an excuse for a gigantic increase in defense related spending
Lol! "Partially"
Yes, they do have to take sides. Under the 1960 Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, the US is bound to intervene if Japan is attacked. It's one of the longest-lasting security alliances in modern history, and the justification for having such a large military presence in Japan and Japan's (supposedly) not being able to possess a proper military of their own. I'm guessing it was supposed to be a lot more relevant in the Cold War days, but it's still very much an active treaty now.
ouch. you said that word. treaty
1914.
August, 1914
A treaty but open to "interpretation". The O administration backed by Holder legal opinion would interpret treaty obligation to Japan as:
U.S. using strong language to dis any Chinese aggression.
U.S. supplying Japan with surplus guns from Fast and Furious stockpile.
U.S./Japan gun exchange program: a bottle of sake in return for each gun mailed to Japan.
U.S. sending California rice (at a reasonable war time price) to Japan along with Michele's cookbook "100 Rice Recipes to Fight Obesity".
I always find it amusing to see down arrows when someone states a fact.
Oh hell, That treaty's ONLY a G-D piece of paper!"
"I have here, from Herr Hitler, a piece of paper!"
Take sides? The US has already done so. Who do you think trains the Japanese army, navy, air force? The US still has air bases all over the region. There is no doubt whose side the US is on.
Right. And all of those lobbyists in Washington who represent American economic interests in China (the same ones, BTW, who want the US to sell Japan more weapon systems) are going to let America back Japan in this dispute? America has too many conflicts of interests in Asia to get involved.
American oil companies are ready to explore those waters but are simply waiting on the sovereignty issue to be resolved first. They don't care whether China or Japan wins, they just don't want to commit resources until the winner is declared.
The Year of the Snake.
"stormy"
in amerika, it's still the year of the Snack
The Year of the Snake Oil*
That's a Chinese specialty, right?
The supreme snake oil salesman. Obama, is pretty good at it.
His managers seem to think so.
We're stuck on the 'Year of the one eyed snake'...
This has nothing to do with him. He is merely a clay pot with a different coating of glaze applied by his master. Everything is being orchestrated by a few people taking orders from the fallen cherub, Satan. These individuals and their minions will be betrayed and discarded very soon by the master who they loyally serve, whom has given them earthly wealth and brief power. Satan did not shed a tear for Judas, and he will not shed a tear for them either.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12
and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
Relying on "an invisible man... who lives in the sky..." to "save" us isn't going to get rid of the evil that has infested our institutions. We (humans) build the society in which we live. We are both the problem and the solution.
Don't rule it out Terminus...
as the magnitude of Creation is beyond our comprehension, so too is the darkness of this world
Holy BeJeebus Banana,
Everyone knows the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything-
and I'm not even a Pastafarian. His son, Ramen died for our sins.
While it is stylish these days to discount religion, don't make the mistake over discounting the valid messages it delivers.
My favorite - Jesus tossed the money changers from the temple challenging the corruption of his time. Three days later he was hanging on a cross "for our sins".
Funny how that got turned around on us isn't it. Jesus challenges usury, and it is "our sin"? Me thinks the World is awaking!
The jews served him up to the Romans because he was cutting into their vig... Some things never change...
Hmmmm, what was that Occupy thing all about I wonder?
@Tex: Bullocks.
Bullocks are Ox. Bollocks is the word you're looking for.
Sandra's not an ox.
...... but she has a nice bullox
2013: Year Of The Snake-eyes. : ..
It's a Fed, Banker, Congressional specialty year end year out. Wax on, wax off.
more like China, Russia, Iran vs. USSA and some frenchies
Just to add - That mobilisation doesnt look like Japan. It looks like the movement is closest to Taiwan.
Interesting. In fact, it would be difficult and basically useless to land those tanks on the Senkaku/Daioyu Islands. The war over that island will be an air/sea battle. Of course, Air/Sea Battle just so happens to be Americas operational plans designed to contain China. Funny, huh?
Maybe they plan to build a bridge from an occupied Taiwan
the "disputed islets" are directly facing the red area and at the northern tip of Taiwan.
A two-fer. And boy won't the Japanese be pissed if the US jumps in to protect Taiwan after leaving Japan hanging out there as this thing has built up.
If this goes nuclear Japan will have the advantage their troops are already irradiated to f***. You could say their troops are already acclimatised.
Well China will be in real trouble soon enough...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9845959/IMF-sees-140m-jobs-sh...
IMF sees 140m jobs shortage in ageing China as 'Lewis Point' hits
China’s vast reserve of cheap workers in the hinterland is vanishing at a vertiginous pace.
We can now discern more or less when the catch-up growth miracle will sputter out. Another seven years or so - enough to bouy global coal, crude, and copper prices for a while - but then it will all be over. China’s demographic dividend will be exhausted.
Beijing revealed last week that the country’s working age population has already begun to shrink, sooner than expected. It will soon go into “precipitous decline”, according to the International Monetary Fund.
Japan hit this inflexion point fourteen years ago, but by then it was already rich, with $3 trillion of net savings overseas. China has hit the wall a quarter century earlier in its development path.
The ageing crisis is well-known. It is already six years since a Chinese demographer shocked Davos with a warning that his country might have to resort to mass suicide in the end, shoving pensioners onto the ice.
Less known is the parallel - and linked - labour drain in the countryside. A new IMF paper - “Chronicle of a Decline Foretold: Has China Reached the Lewis Turning Point?” - says the reserve army of peasants looking for work peaked in 2010 at around 150 million. The numbers are now collapsing.
The surplus will disappear soon after 2020. A decade after that China will face a labour shortage of almost 140m workers, surely the greatest jobs crunch ever seen. “This will have far-reaching implications for both China and the rest of the world,” said the IMF.
There is little Beijing can do to head off the shock. The effects of low fertility rates - and the one child policy - are already baked into the pie. It would take half a century to turn around the demographic supertanker.
The Lewis Point, named after St Lucia’s Nobel economist Arthur Lewis, is when the supply of workers dries up and city wages soar. It is when labour turns the tables on capital, and profits crash.
After the bottleneck, the remainder will certainly have the chance at greater comfort (hard to find a word because neither 'wealth' nor 'prosperity' apply). There will be fewer claims against capital, some of it will be carried forward. There will also be plenty of work, demolishing the vast numbers of derelict concrete towers littering the landscape.
"IMF sees 140m jobs shortage in"
When that happens, you just start a war. Can't make new jobs? Eliminate the job hunters. Then there will be a long period of prosperity!
Or they could invade NKorea and take it over, that would make them 20 million new slaves.
Labor shortage??? -I think it is/will be exactly the opposite. Production worldwide is moving toward automation, robotization, technological advance, driverless cars, trucks, production without hands...deflationary forces globally continuing to create fewer jobs as MBA's do their productivity mapping, streaming, ever higher productivity on all fronts. Unemployment is just getting started. Labors day of wage increases and power via shortage of labor is done. There is a reason labors share of the pie is shrinking and will do so globally...debt serfs are more compliant if kept on edge...
If there is higher productivity, there is higher consumption. So yeah, it tells the conclusion of the story, infinite growth, producing more than consuming and the rest.
I don't think that is necessarily the case. It could lead to higher consumption, but if you have a lot of people making next to nothing then how would consumption increase. So far higher productivity has gone to the global elites, who are the true benefactors of globalization.
Every time I hear the 'population's shrinking' meme, I just have to laugh. Oh, sure, maybe the native demographic is aging, becoming less active or dieing. But not to worry: Third worlders MORE than make up the difference. The world's population doubles what, about every 30 years?
But the labor force is 'shrinking'?
Do you think China will allow a mass immigration of Arabs, Africans and Latinos to make up for the demographic shift? I bet no.
Does China have a Dream act? Maybe they could annex Mexico?
Then MAYBE, just MAYBE the US would protect the border??
Dear Leader won't allow the southern border to be protected. He needs more third worlders to further his goal of destroying and remaking the US.
You missed the point, they were to tired to sleep long enough to have a concrete dream.
vertiginous
My new word for the day. Will try it out this afternoon at Biker Sunday.
Let them eat dog...
Mmmm, Hundeschinken.
War makes everything OK again. See 1929 - 1933.
Let me fix that title again. China Is Mobilizing For A War With Japan On Fukushima Carbon Credit Trading Price?
One HUGE indicator that this is serious is that this is happening while the whole country is in holidays... it would be like the US doing full mobilization on December 24...
My buddy's wife translated this whole thing for me. It says:
Nothing to see here, move along.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbwPu_LuTZs
Probably why you should never walk in their room when they are having sex.
Why all the tanks?...if I were in Taiwan I'd be a bit worried right about now.
Must be amphibeous tanks ;)
Giant infrateable tranks....
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So ... Japan which is already bankrupt ... will become more bankrupt.
China will burn more fuel fighting a stupid war as it would gain from the Senkaku region.
Like 2 children each with their hands caught in cookie jars, beating each other with the jars.
Har di-har har.
Well, the Central Committee read on ZH that Japan is ruled by aggressive rightists and so they think they're doing the world a favor.
LOL, Asians driving. 50 car pile up, not one shot fired.
Good ruck evelybody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKcSZfY1sf4
Whomever I've offended, it's a joke. Get a sense of humor!
Off to the FRont u go! Lots o snow this winter.
I'm assuming it's the Boston front you're referring to? Another tea party?!?!
I thought it was funny, Coloner Krink.
They managed straight and orderly, but only using their tanks' and APC's view slits.
War: What is it good for? Absorutery nothing.
With BHO we really don't have to worry about that
Wars serve many good purposes including the display of stupidity at leadership level and heroism at a soldier level. Best of all however it sobers man up but only when it is too late.
MORE $$$ FOR THE ROTHCHILD BANKSTERS
http://www.news.com.au/world/chinese-worry-year-of-snake-may-bite/story-...
Chinese worry the Year of the Snake may biteWhen the Chinese-speaking world ushers in its new year on Sunday, its 12-year zodiac will turn from the dragon to one of the world's most despised animals.
As undeserved as the snake's reputation might be, its last two years did not go so well: 2001 was the year of the September 11 attacks and 1989 was when Chinese forces crushed pro-democracy protests around Beijing's Tiananmen Square.
Some wonder if this one also could hold bad tidings. "In Chinese mythology, snakes were often associated with monsters, or with incarnations of monsters, so some political turbulence can be expected," said Taiwanese astrologer Tsai Shang-chi.
This might be why they are doing this... they are expecting things to get out of control... well guess what, mobilizing your army might do just what you fear...
When people run out of money they steal. When countries run out of money they go to war!
Excuse me please point that some place else, I'm trying to drill for natural gas.
Might be a good time for the average Japanese to purchase a 1-way ticket to Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, or similar (but not on a Dreamliner!). War is seldom beneficial for the "average Joe."
Please stay away. We dont want your wars.
Might be a good time for the average Japanese to purchase a 1-way ticket to Hawaii...
Yes, Japanese flying to Pearl Harbor just before a world war breaks out should work out well...
Coming here (Honolulu) in almost record numbers...economy or not, it's an easy flight out for them to de-stress with some blue sky, sunshine and of course our warm, cesium enriched waters....imo.
Maybe China will benefit from the newly enacted suspension of the 4th amendment of the Constitution within 100 miles of the border.
Oh wait, wrong story! Sorry. That's the USA. Meh, it's all become the same difference now.