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Goodbye Fourth Amendment: Homeland Security Affirms "Suspicionless" Confiscation Of Devices Along Border

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Slowly but surely the administration is making sure that both the US constitution, and its various amendments, become a thing of the past. In the name of national security, of course. And while until now it was the First and Second amendments that were the target of the administration's ongoing efforts to eavesdrop on anyone, all the time, in order to decide who may be a domestic terrorist and thus fit for 'droning', coupled with an aggressive push to disarm and curtail the propagation of weapons in what some perceive is nothing more than an attempt to take away a population's one recourse to defend itself against a tyrannical government, the time may be coming to say goodbye to the Fourth amendment - the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures - next. But only in close proximity to the border at first. According to Wired, "the Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security."

More on America's quest, by a very select few, to one by one extinguish its civil liberties from Wired:

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.


“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.


The memo highlights the friction between today’s reality that electronic devices have become virtual extensions of ourselves housing everything from e-mail to instant-message chats to photos and our papers and effects — juxtaposed against the government’s stated quest for national security.

And before this becomes yet another red vs blue scream fest, where the underlying fact is ignored in the name of proving the validity of one's ideological convictions, the reality is that the eradication of the Fourth Amendment started with Bush, and has merely accelerated under Obama.

The President George W. Bush administration first announced the suspicionless, electronics search rules in 2008. The President Barack Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their electronic devices searched along the U.S. border, according to DHS data.

What does this decision mean in principle:

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment — the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures — does not apply along the border. By the way, the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border.

100 miles today, 1,000 miles tomorrow, and the entire nation the day after. Though no need: as the attached map also from Wired shows, the "borders" in question include maritime as well, and with the bulk of the US population concentrated along the coasts, the "constitution free" zone of the US includes virtually everyone living on the two seaboards: some 66% of the US population!

For those still confused, luckily there is a case study:

A lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained.


At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit.


Agents asked him about pictures they found on his laptop, which included Hamas and Hezbollah rallies. He explained that he was earning a doctoral degree at a Canadian university on the topic of the modern history of Shiites in Lebanon.


He was handcuffed and then jailed for three hours while the authorities looked through his computer while numerous agents questioned him, according to the suit, which is pending in New York federal court.

First they came for your iPad, and nobody said anything...

In other news, the rest of the world now openly hates America for its relentless and ever accelerating loss of freedoms. All "in the name of the national security" bogeyman of course.


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Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:24 | 3229737 lolmao500
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One more reason to never visit the US ever again till the American people rise up and there's a statist body hanging from every tree in sight.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:39 | 3229753 12ToothAssassin
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What could possibly go wrong?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:56 | 3229769 idea_hamster
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I assume when they say "100 miles from the border" they also mean the coast line -- because why wouldn't you, right? --  which means pretty much every major city that means anything just kissed their Fourth Amendment rights goodbye.

Thank you, and good night.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:07 | 3229779 holdbuysell
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Yes, to your question, according to one of the articles embedded by Wired. I posted below on this. Here's the article link:

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:15 | 3229790 CPL
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holy fuck.  That's completely insane.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3229797 ACP
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Hey the water is getting a little warm in my little metal house of water.

Eh, must be nothing. I'll worry about it when the water starts boiling.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:26 | 3229804 Manthong
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 “That's completely insane.”

Actually it is totally sane, sound and logical.. from the perspective of a despotic, totalitarian state.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:00 | 3230053 dog breath
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These are not the drones you're looking for.  Move along.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:00 | 3230147 SafelyGraze
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"travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized .. for any reason whatsoever"

.. after which, they will need to buy replacements

bullish iphone6

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:16 | 3230251 GetZeeGold
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He's cool.....he just has guns and drugs.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:19 | 3230261 negative rates
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I diagnosed him as being a paranoid schizophrenic on jan 1st 2000. He has only gotten worse and taken his case to Washington where the money flows free from the same ones who are being investigated by him. He insisted he keep an eye on us with high speed broad band, where we pay to be watched and controlled by him using the ever popular "at any cost" clause once you become a (P S), each day you sleep less, and watch your back more. 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:24 | 3230377 DOT
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The map does not show the " International" ports on the Mississippi River system or the "International" Airports.  "Within one hundred miles" now becomes virtually the entire lower 48.

But  then, once they want you, they will go any where and do anything.





Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:31 | 3230551 Muddy1
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"If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth."  Ronald Reagan, October 24, 1964




Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3229809 nmewn
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Yes Mr.Frog, nothing to worry about, dinners almost ready ;-)

"DHS spokesman Jason Ciliberti says the ACLU’s description of the zone as "Constitution-Free" couldn’t be further from the truth and that the check points follow rules set by Supreme Court rulings.

"We don’t have the abilitty? to just set up checkpoints willy-nilly," Ciliberti said. "The Supreme Court has determined that brief investigative encontuers do not constitute a serach? or seizure."

Jason Ciliberti

Jason Ciliberti

Jason Ciliberti

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:49 | 3229825 jeff montanye
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jason seems at war with his own name.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:27 | 3229846 nmewn
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Its time to call them name.

They will not be given the opportunity or the luxury to say they were "just doing their job for the state"...that shit don't fly with brush with fascist ideology per "thousand year Reichs" is enough.


I noted the mispellings in Jason's "quote" to the observant.

Just sayin ;-)

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:29 | 3230009 XitSam
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+1776 to you nmewn

Jason Ciliberti Enemy of Freedom


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:48 | 3230040 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ xitsam & nmewn

Right, naming names...  My next hobby?



Jason Ciliberti

Jason Ciliberti

Jason Ciliberti


While we're at it:

Jon Corzine

Jon Corzine

Jon Corzine



Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:25 | 3230084 your neighbor
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It begun last week. Mr. Dorner is doing his part and he did name names. We think we know some of the criminals in politics and finance while Mr. Dorner knows the criminals in his sphere.

I know hes the real thing because even info wars is just glossing over the topic. TPTB can't and will not allow the public to be awaken by this man. So they just have the media portray this as a red/blue - gun/no gun issue.

All bullshit.

How many comments did I read here about the cowardly europeans that flamed out but instead should have done this or that? Its happening guys.... wake the fuck up!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:17 | 3230299 WarriorClass
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Does anyone know who Jim Stone is? I found this story on his web page:

"The original was posted in PDF format, he did not write it to his page, it was a PDF linked through his page, and it was 100 percent soul and grit, not a rant about gun control and idolized celebrities."

Perhaps there is more to the story than what is being reported.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:16 | 3230425 TwiceBitten
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Not sure about Jim Stone but I think he is the guy who claims Fukishima/tsunami there was caused by purposely planted nukes. What I do know is that pdf is not Dorner's full rant and has been edited. There are multiple pages missing. You can find the whole thing on pastebin.

I don't have time to analyze wherte edits were made but the part below is the pro gun ban part that's been edited out (and the "manifesto" goes on to talk about everybody he ever knew, every musician, actor, comedian and politician he ever liked/disliked, etc.):

"If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don’t give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That’s bullshit because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants. The use of select fire probably isn’t even 1% in combat. So in essence, the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle is the same as the M-4/M-16. These do not need to be purchased as easily as walking to your local Walmart or striking the enter key on your keyboard to "add to cart". All the firearms utilized in my activities are registered to me and were legally purchased at gun stores and private party transfers. All concealable weapons (pistols) were also legally register in my name at police stations or FFL's. Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR's, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I'm not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!
Mia Farrow said it best. "Gun control is no longer debatable, it's not a conversation, its a moral mandate."
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become cliche' and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent, Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield, Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook massacre."




Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:27 | 3230436 nmewn
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That is correct.

Dorner is a disaffected statist, not any hero of the common man, no matter what their color is. Its rather like a palace guard going is at a loss in deciding who to root for or against ;-)

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:18 | 3230862 FeralSerf
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The  same could be said of George Washington.  The similarity probably ends there.

If the PTB aren't careful, Dorner may become a (posthumously) legendary leader of a violent revolutionary movement not unlike Che.  He has many of the same traits as a very large minority of disaffected Los Angelenos.  They have caused notable disturbances in the past.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 23:04 | 3232061 nmewn
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"The same could be said of George Washington. The similarity probably ends there."

Probably so FS.

Many times we (all of us) try to find greater meaning in the personal actions of one individual. He's not calling for revolution. By all appearnces its only for himself and what he see's as a personal injustice done to him. He can wrap a lot of crap up in his head & rants to "justify to himself" he's doing the right thing for everyone but he had to know innocents would get caught up in it too...and they did.

I read his screed...revolutionaries don't target the innocent.

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 14:38 | 3234050 FeralSerf
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Au contraire!  Revolutionaries do target innocents, and many died too.  Do you think only the guilty were killed by Lenin, Castro, the 1971 French, and Cromwell?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:49 | 3230624 WarriorClass
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Noted.  Thanks for the info.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:49 | 3231041 FeralSerf
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Accused Gunman Christopher Dorner Issues Statement… “It’s Not Me!”

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:55 | 3230047 Overfed
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He's makin' a list, and checkin' it twice.....

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:18 | 3230079 XitSam
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Think local. List local.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:50 | 3230339 MagicHandPuppet
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A list of specific people who have demonstrated that they are enemies of liberty should help make sure that the correct heads roll when the time comes.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:10 | 3230363 bunnyswanson
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That would be any politician who accepts donations from AIPAC.

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Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:46 | 3230513 toxic8
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First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.




My response called BREAD & CIRCUSES [lyrical] flow starts @ 2:00

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:27 | 3230499 Muddy1
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 "without firing a shot"

"a house divided shall not stand"


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:01 | 3229844 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"holy fuck.  That's completely insane."

No, it's high treason!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:11 | 3229981 Colonel Klink
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Actually it's not "treason" as defined.  It falls under "high crimes and misdemeanors" against the American people.

We as citizens should start charging our political elite with these very crimes!!!

Pass it around.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:29 | 3230265 WarriorClass
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Shoot anyone that would steal your property.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:12 | 3230418 derek_vineyard
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be discreet, but well armed

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:47 | 3230336 chubbar
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Here's some more insanity by Obama over the weekend.

"Obama Waives Bush Law Banning Child Soldiers

Here’s a headline we’ll guarantee you simply won’t find in the mainstream media –

On October 3, 2008, President George W. Bush signed into law “Child Soldiers Prevention Act of 2008,” a law that made it a federal crime to recruit or use soldiers under the age of 15. The law also gave the United States authority to “prosecute, deport or deny entry to individuals who have knowingly recruited children as soldiers.”

The bipartisan law, which was passed unanimously by both houses of Congress, drew the applause of several international human rights organizations:

“The US is saying to the world that using child soldiers is a serious crime and that it will take action,” said Jo Becker, children’s rights advocate for Human Rights Watch. “Military commanders who use children can no longer come to the United States without the risk of ending up in jail.”

Over the weekend, while most Americans were too busy spending time with their children and keeping up with the latest sporting events to worry about executive orders, President Obama removed the teeth from this law; effectively making it void in the nations most guilty. The result - thousands of children throughout the Middle East and Africa may be drafted into foreign militaries, with the full blessings of the United States.

Sunday afternoon, President Obama signed a Presidential memorandum, stating the following:
“I hereby determine that it is in the national interest of the United States to waive the application of the prohibition in section 404(a) of the CSPA [Child Soldiers Prevention Act of 2008] with respect to Libya, South Sudan, and Yemen… and the issuance of licenses for direct commercial sales of U.S. origin defense articles; and I hereby waive such provisions accordingly.”

Section 404(a) deals with exporting arms to countries that allow child-soldiers.

With the stroke of a pen, President Obama did two very frightening things:

1. He authorized the United States to sell military weaponry to the nations of Libya, South Sudan, Yemen and Congo.

At a time with such unrest in the world, there is now a very significant chance that American weaponry will soon be delivered to a Yemen and Libyan port.

2. President Obama has undone much of the progress made in the fight against child-soldiers won over the past decade. Jesse Eaves, a senior policy advisor for child protection at World Vision stated the following:
“At a time when Congress is locked in one of the most difficult budget battles I’ve ever seen, it is shameful that a portion of federal funding continues to help support governments who are abusing children. At its core, this is a missed opportunity to show leadership on this issue and protect thousands of vulnerable children around the world,” adding, “Frankly, we expected more from our nation’s leaders.”

Unfortunately, as originally stated, this is a headline that you simply will not see ran across the screen of MSNBC."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:54 | 3230343 chubbar
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Here's another jewel.

"President Barack Obama’s newly-named nominee to run the Department of the Interior, REI CEO Sally Jewell, sought and received a waiver from Obamacare requirements for her outdoor clothing and equipment company in 2011.

The Washington Examiner’s Charlie Spiering dug up the revelation Thursday, noting that Obama welcomed Jewell to the White House in 2009 to jointly argue for the passage of Obamacare.

Obama held REI up as a model company.


“And then REI, which has to be fit since they’re a fitness company,” Obama joked during the White House meeting on May 12, 2009, “has been doing work that allows them to provide health care coverage, health insurance, not only to their full-time employees but also their part-time employees. Every single employee is covered, but part of the reason they’re able to do it is because they put a big emphasis on prevention and wellness.”

Two years later, Jewell secured an exemption from the law for REI.

REI received an Obamacare waiver around the same time that nearly 20 percent of the businesses in House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s Northern California district received waivers.

Read more:

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:12 | 3230477 Shell Game
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Fucking insiderism jism


It's time to channel Vlad...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:35 | 3230755 Buckaroo Banzai
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"We reward our friends, and punish our enemies."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:10 | 3230778 Shell Game
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We're all terrorist now Banzai, unless you know the Praetorian Class handshake...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:29 | 3231173 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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You know this is the reason why Ambassador Stevens was allowed to be killed in Benghazi.

First the actual law

Child Soldiers Prevention Act of 2008

The section in question being lifted for Libya.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Subject to subsections (b), (c), and (d), the authorities contained in section 516 or 541 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2321j or 2347) or section 23 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2763) may not be used to provide assistance to, and no licenses for direct commercial sales of military equipment may be issued to, the government of a country that is clearly identified, pursuant to subsection (b), for the most recent year preceding the fiscal year in which the authorities or license would have been used or issued in the absence of a violation of this title, as having governmental armed forces or government- supported armed groups, including paramilitaries, militias, or civil defense forces, that recruit and use child soldiers.

Put it together with this.

Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans at the hands of the very anti-Qaddafi rebels that Stevens formally liaised with for the CIA.

It wasn’t a secret that Ambassador Christopher Stevens played a key role in Libya’s “Arab Spring.” During the course of the revolution that ultimately toppled Muammar Qaddafi, Stevens’ built a relationship with the Libyan rebels and it’s this experience that made him the frontrunner for the Libyan ambassadorship. Stevens’ history of working with Libyan radicals provided the perfect opportunity for the Obama administration to covertly move newly purchased weapons from Libya’s freedom fighters to Syrian insurgents via ships through Turkey.

In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked “Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens' life.”

Former CIA officer Clare Lopez said, “That means Stevens was authorized by the U.S. Department of State and the Obama administration to aid and abet individuals and groups that were, at a minimum, allied ideologically with al-Qaeda, the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the homeland on the first 9/11, the one that’s not supposed to exist anymore after the killing of its leader, Osama bin Laden, on May 2, 2011.”

Obama’s weapon buyback program in Libya

Couple this with the weapon buyback program offered by the Obama administration and there’s a recipe for catastrophe.


The smart ones here can put together the dots and why Benghazi went on for 7 hours and no extraction teams were sent in. If there are any truely uncorrupt people on the inside, the documents if they ever get to the committies should back up this narrative. Add in them kneecapping Petraeus along with Hillary bumping her head in the shower you now know what they are hiding. We are potentially looking at if the assertations are correct something bigger than the Iran Contra scandal in the 80s.

Here is the Whitehouse Executive order making the crime legal after the fact.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 18:14 | 3231261 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'm no legal expert but if everything is as I suspect then this is grounds for impeachment. Something that will effectively halt the assault on civil liberties and dismantling of the Constitution in the name of National Security.

You truth seekers know what you need to do.............

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:14 | 3229988 JOYFUL
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Please return your gaze to the map provided, and realize that what your are seeing is a knotted cord, secured around the contiguous states of the Union, which will be pulled from above in a choking action by which all within the contained area will be rendered free of all further worry about infringements of their personal liberties...or anything at all.

This is not a test. Feel free to be alarmed.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:40 | 3230028 XitSam
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Absolutely. They arbitrarily picked 100 miles. There is nothing magical about 100 miles, why not 25 miles or 115 miles? The very existence of an arbitrary decision that "here the Constitution does not apply" proves it is invalid. 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 23:04 | 3232063 NumNutt
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I can see the future histroy books now    ....... "and the one they new as 'NumNutt' raced through the countryside on his 4 wheeler while yelling and texting to everyone "THE FEDERALS ARE COMMING! THE FEDERALS ARE COMMING!...The alarm was sounded and the nanosecond men responded in great numbers and the first shot was heard around the world..." . It is all the same, history repeats itself, just the players have different names...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:32 | 3230016 Freddie
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Wired?  20-30 something geek magazine.  Those young-uns love Hope & Tyranny.  They voted for it.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:19 | 3230254 GetZeeGold
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Forgive them for they know not what they do.......thank you NEA.


Mission Accomplished.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:18 | 3230497 Shell Game
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@Freddy,  yeah, and like a schmuck I "voted for it" in 2004.  Betrayal is the fastest way to wake the fuck up.


High horse, get off of it..

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:33 | 3230268 WarriorClass
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No, the Diebold voting machines voted for it, along with 13% of the population.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:45 | 3230272 Tango in the Blight
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Yes Aaron Swarz and Bradley Manning really loved hope and tyranny.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:38 | 3230322 kill switch
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WTF Another village missing its idiot.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:50 | 3230338 bunnyswanson
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We're surrounded by idiots.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:00 | 3229772 CPL
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They extend it 100 miles from state borders?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:45 | 3229926 The Gooch
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"maritime" too, apparently . Great Lakes.

You hear that Milwaukee?


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:07 | 3229778 bobthehorse
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Bin Laden really did a job on America.

Every day, our rights keep getting eroded.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:53 | 3229833 jeff montanye
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as with george orwell, history as it unfolds seems to fulfill his predictions.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:14 | 3230487 Shell Game
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Horse be pimpin'

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:49 | 3230802 earleflorida
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some words never leave my, 'worry-about-later-memory', spoken in translation that read exactly as if said today: "it is the american people that i feel sorry about?"

don't shoot the messenger... but, kill the message first!!!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:00 | 3229947 EscapingProgress
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If the NDAA is upheld then the entire country becomes a Constitution-free zone.

"We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said."


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:09 | 3229976 FL_Conservative
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How else can they protect us if they don't take away our rights?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:13 | 3229982 Colonel Klink
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And when they take our rights away from us, how to we protect ourselves?


GUNS!  Why do you think they want those the most of all?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:25 | 3230519 CH1
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And when they take our rights away from us....

Now that they have taken our rights from us...

Fuxed it for you.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 19:24 | 3231512 Colonel Klink
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Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:50 | 3230189 Hobie
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What do you mean "again"?

Never cross to the dark side.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:11 | 3230417 Tom_333
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Yes. Blessed I am not reside in the ConUs anymore.As for the amendments - just keep ticking them off as they get overturned and anulled.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:26 | 3229740 nc551
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I figured out a loophole to being compelled to turn over your password.   Make your password a sentence that confesses to a very minor crime.  Then you can plead the 5th because your password is a true yet incriminating statement.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:34 | 3229746 seek
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I think a short paragraph on the legal right to jury nullification would make a pretty awesome passphrase as well.


But seriously, the way to handle border crossings now is to dump the hard disk before you fly back to the US, and use an internet based cloud drive to store encrypted files. This eliminates virtually all the points of attack save for when you're actually working on the computer. If you're really worried about raising suspicions, just dump the entire computer before coming back -- from a financial perspective that's no different that DHS seizing the damn thing on your return, but it eliminates any dealings with lawyers or delays due to search.

They're pretty shortsighted, all this affects is people who aren't a threat anyway.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:41 | 3229754 12ToothAssassin
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My password is "read the 4th amendment to me please"


BTW, dump it on a cloud drive so Stellar Wind is sure to catch it?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:44 | 3229757 seek
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With AES256 or similarly secure encryption, all they're going to know is you accessed a big encrypted file.If you're worried about that, access your cloud drive through TOR.

I know the tin-foil crowd thinks they can read everything, but really, they can't. Even if AES256 is compromised, somethings (such as the lowly one time pad) will never be.

And, honestly, even if it were compromised they'd never risk exposure of the capability over something mundane.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:22 | 3229800 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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There is even a simplier way to protect files and folders than using AES256 but I don't think I should post it on a public forum. These DHS border guards are not that bright and I shouldn't be giving them any ideas.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:26 | 3230008 Doña K
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What's wrong with having all your files in a jump drive well hidden somewhere and have few things on the hard drive?


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:44 | 3230034 seek
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You don't want to have the data on you, period. In fact, I would imagine them finding you concealed a data storage device would probably bring on even more scrutiny.

The reality is, for whatever reason, they're desperate to search your electronic items, and will take them from you to do so. Get rid of them before crossing the border and there's nothing to search or delay you.

Of course, you could put the same jump drive in an envelope and mail it to yourself, and they'd need a warrant to examine it unless the mail search rules have changed.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 06:20 | 3230215 Svendblaaskaeg
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".. Get rid of them before crossing the border and there's nothing to search or delay you..."


TrueCrypt, make a hidden volume, problem solved

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:55 | 3230342 Sean7k
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Not that we should have to, but, is anyone realizing the problem lies in having electronics? Do you really have to have a laptop or tablet with you when you travel? Keep one in another country if you travel enough. I recommend paper and pen. I also recommend real books. 

Ultimately, technology is created and then manipulated to serve those in power. Don't want to follow building codes? We red tag you for electricity, phone or cable. Don't want to pay taxes, we start adding them to your utility bills. Want to fly on a plane? Want to drive a car? Want to use a computer? Want to buy a gun? 

Everytime we create a means to advance our standard of living, it is hijacked and used to control us. Rules are put in place, standards are written and you must conform or live in a "dark age". Consequently, people have been surrendering their rights for over a hundred years. Each new advancement, brings greater tyranny through convenience. Social pressures become collars and chains.

All smoothly delivered and dressed up by media. Our greatest desires in youth become the walls of our cells in old age, where and when we lack the energy to revolt. We all fall prey to the seduction, because at its' core, it is the nature of being human. 

This is the reason the greatest advancements are the genius of unselfish leaders and people of great wisdom. Probably the reason they are so rare. 

Slavery is the opposite to wealth. Like yin and yang, they form a twisted whole. While the answer never lies in equality or equilibrium (which does not exist), we can find opportunity in the struggle between opposing forces: minimizing the heavy hand of wealth while providing unrestrained liberty to the slaves. 

Take away the greatest tools of tyranny ever created: the control over currency and government by coercion.


Mon, 02/11/2013 - 17:36 | 3234759 MeelionDollerBogus
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well, plain & simple, you can make RSA, Diffie Hellman keys much larger, thousands of bits. I woudn't use anything lower than 1024 bit ever. Never have, not even since the 1990's with PGP. Then again I'd still suggest not storing anything at all that doesn't need to be, that otherwise would be secured. If it isn't there it can't be taken.

The best communications security will always be one-time-pads for content & direct line of sight lasers or fibre optics for locations.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:57 | 3229837 jeff montanye
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hey seek, when you said They're pretty shortsighted, all this affects is people who aren't a threat anyway.

did you mean weren't one until the dhs was finished with them?

kind of like the drone program survivors.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:04 | 3229843 wee-weed up
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Encryption? You think that's going to stop these bastards?

They'll simply conclude you must have something to hide and confiscate your laptop! And good luck ever getting it back... you'll be lucky if they don't plant child-porn on it to get you on something, especially if you were so stupid as to protest loudly about "constitutional rights."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:46 | 3230026 seek
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I think you missed the part that the encryption is on a file on the net, and there's no hard drive (or even no computer) when you come back into the country.

They can't confiscate or search something that's not there.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:55 | 3230144 maskone909
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dude im sure they already have quantum computers that can hack the best classical based encryption in seconds. no joke. search Dwave systems- darpa funded qbit system research

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:14 | 3230421 Tom_333
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SSD harddrives.As they grow bigger,just flip the harddrive.On 2nd thought don´t do that - you will just be made to surrender the password to the cloud and the encryption key.Or wait...that will soon be mandatory as well - for everyone.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:44 | 3229758 DCFusor
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NC551.  Won't work.  Rubber hose "cyptography" comes next.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:51 | 3229766 A Lunatic
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A cheery but firm "Fuck Off" works well too.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:40 | 3229818 CH1
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Let us know how that goes next time.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:35 | 3230753 Shell Game
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I like how this gentleman handled it..


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:23 | 3229852 Ignatius
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"I figured out a loophole to being compelled to turn over your password.   Make your password a sentence that confesses to a very minor crime.  Then you can plead the 5th because your password is a true yet incriminating statement." -- nc551

Nice thought, the problem being that they now torture (euphamistically "enhanced interrogation") 'confessions' so the 5th is already gone.  Everything layers up once these fundamental principals are abrogated.

People, all of this shit springs from the 9/11 false flag.  I've said it before, break 9/11 in the conciousness of the American public and all their justification for this shit is gone.

WTC 7 came down at 5:20 in the afternoon at absolute free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds primarily by fire according to the official story.  WTC 1 came down and its roofline never decelerated during its initial, visible fall of some 90 feet for 3 seconds (measured 64% of free fall).  According to Newton's Laws this is impossible.  

WTC 7: 84 steel columns went from holding to zero resistence for over 7 floors due to fires -- impossible.

WTC 1:  The roofline was always accelerating (gaining speed) at 64% of free fall through the visible portion of its fall -- impossible. Imagine a step van colliding with a bus and accelerating through the collision - impossible.  Deceleration is how the impact forces are transferred.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:17 | 3229991 Terminus C
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Don't baffle people with your logic and shit.  DWTS is on!  Yes!

Did you say something?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:35 | 3230100 your neighbor
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<<break 9/11 in the conciousness of the American public and all their justification for this shit is gone.>>


Spot on precise.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:05 | 3230677 FeralSerf
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It stems even more from the ability to finance the 9/11 operation.  9/11 was not cheap.  Think Brady bonds and Yamashita gold.

Gold Warriors - The Vulcans - Murdering Liberty and Killing Hope on 911

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:54 | 3230403 idea_hamster
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That only works until you or your lawyer explains why you're claiming 5th Amd privilege.  

If the password topic is truly minor, they can grant you immunity from prosecution for it -- then you have no more basis to object.

And that's in the event that they decide they're going to play by the rules.  If you've ever read Solzhenytsin's Gulag Archipelago, you know that the USSR had volumes of rules on prisoner rights, protections, and limits on punitive measures.  They only help if the enforcers believe that they have to be followed -- and that went out the window here a while ago.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:33 | 3229744 goat
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This doesn't feel like the place I grew up.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:40 | 3229819 CH1
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Indeed it is not.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:47 | 3229932 The Gooch
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All is not lost. Yet.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3230407 idea_hamster
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"An observer crossing a black hole event horizon can calculate the moment they have crossed it, but will not actually see or feel anything special happen at that moment. In terms of visual appearance, observers who fall into the hole perceive the black region constituting the horizon as lying at some apparent distance below them, and never experience crossing this visual horizon."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:49 | 3231042 Bad Attitude
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I frequently feel like a stranger/foreigner in the county of my birth (the US of A).

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:36 | 3229748 Atomizer
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Let me fix the title, Goodbye Homeland Security Budget


It really doesn’t matter how many rounds of ammunition they purchase using the taxpayers monies. When the taxpayers need bullets, they know where to find rounds they purchased thru government corruption.


  1. Give me a G
  2. Give me a P
  3. Give me a S

What’s that spell?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:36 | 3229814 nmewn
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Warehouses and armories ;-)

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:53 | 3230046 XitSam
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:30 | 3230266 espirit
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Least we not forget a source of auto FCG's, parts, and pieces.

Hollywood Prop Studios.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:39 | 3229751 duo
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so only US citizens can have their laptops seized at the border, or does that apply to foreigners, too?  My customers in Europe and Asia would like to know before they visit here.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:40 | 3229820 CH1
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Foreigners more so.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:52 | 3229831 Son of Loki
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Does not apply to any foreigner coming here to buy a $2 million (or higher) California house. They get an exemption.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 05:10 | 3230197 Vlad Tepid
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Foreigners too.  BTW, Just tell them to Skype and avoid the mind bending hassles of the new visa system, being fondled by perverts in the "security" line, and being spit on by the harridans who prowl the US skies in the guise of whizened stewardesses.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 16:59 | 3231145 NidStyles
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At least I'm not the only one that noticed that US domestic stewardesses were all old hags.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:16 | 3230424 Tom_333
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It does apply to foreign nationals as well.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:52 | 3231047 Bad Attitude
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I've got a Canadian friend who has had his laptop searched by ICE along the Canadian border. He now only travels with a sterile laptop, and VPNs into his own servers to access his data.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:39 | 3229752 john39
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stop and frisk in New York...  been happening for awhile.  

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:53 | 3229767 Cheesy Bastard
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Any airport.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:32 | 3230267 NuYawkFrankie
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Yes - especially to attractive 25yr-old females with big tits

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:46 | 3230333 CH1
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stop and frisk... especially to attractive 25yr-old females...


Actually, it's mostly young guys, frequently darker-skinned, who don't look like they can afford a lawyer.

Don't call them cops in NY - call them Predators.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:40 | 3230772 Buckaroo Banzai
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Talk to any attractive woman who flies frequently, and ask them how much "special attention" they get from the TSA. Saw it firsthand when I was traveling with an extremely attractive 24-year-old colleague a few years ago. I breezed through the line, then had to wait 10 mins while my colleague got her luggage searched with a fine tooth comb.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:43 | 3229756 A Lunatic
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Is Obama gonna pay my bills or not??

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:45 | 3229759 egoist
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Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:00 | 3231148 NidStyles
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If you are registered here, you are likely a suspect already.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:45 | 3229761 plaspotje
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i truly enjoyed living in the usa for 22 year, but than after 911 it went down hill very fast, entering the usa with finger and eye scan's is truly beyond hitlers wildest dreams,, and this country with its money handlers/wallstreet/and government is not even close to being done.

i live in china now and next year return to holland, until the great people of the usa take back their country, i would not dare to visit it again, the unknown of having held a greencard for 22 years, scares the living shit out of me.

Americans, you are great people, but how could you have let it get this far. 

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:47 | 3229824 reader2010
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We have proudly traded liberty for handouts and illusion of "security",  just like the Romans did 2000 plus years before us. There is no escape for you though, after all, it's the same NWO.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:20 | 3229995 Terminus C
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I will not travel to the US.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:55 | 3230277 Tango in the Blight
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Me neither. Been there once in the '90s but will not visit again until after the revolution.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:23 | 3230305 TNTARG
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See, I read this comments and I think back to 2002. I went to the US for postgraduate studies. Since the moment I had to go to the US Embassy to get my visa I could see all this. People with brown hair and skin wouldn't get it: I'm blonde so I had it inmediately. It was unbelievable. Outreageous. While I was waiting for my papers in a small square room with no chairs, full of people, I sat on the floor. An officer came inmediately and said "stand up, you can't sit on the floor". I'd replied: "Put some chairs here" and he slightly glanced at me.

Then I flyed and they made me undress on arrival. There in the States, I had this feeling of being in nazi's Germany: exactly what my partisan grandfhater had told me about.  American flags were even in the soup. Military, cops, all over. Not to speak what happened at the University. It was nightmare.

One of those days I felt so sick I couldn't go to the university. Could'nt stop vomiting.

I got better only when I entered the Aerolineas Argentina's plane to fly back. It was so sad, so overwhealming. Even at the time I felt it was better living in defaulted Argentina than in the US. Kissed my patagonian soil right after landing.

You need some kind of revolution there. Do not surrender your 2nd. amm. rights, my friends. It's not only the awful life you're living, it's also the way you're used to smash people all over the World and to support their horrendous power structure.

You have no enemies outside the US: your enemy is fully among you, it's the power running the House (and the FED!).

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:13 | 3230420 Stuntgirl
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Oh, you brought back memories.
I travelled often in/out of the USA around 2001.

I'm also blonde, so I got my paperwork and visas immediately. But I got used to waiting outside of airports for my uni friends whenever we flew together, as they were either darker or had an accent.

One day I asked to remain with my friend for the few hours the search and background check would take, instead of waiting outside the airport. Bad move.

Until then, I had seen cops as just regular dudes doing their jobs, however misguided their orders were. That's when I learned all about being treated like a subhuman piece of trash who needs to justify the air they breathe.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:46 | 3229762 howenlink
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Searching for scissors with too many clips.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:50 | 3229765 blindman
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Martin Armstrong at the Bangkok Rotary Club
Posted on February 8, 2013 by TearsOfTheMoon
The speech Jacob Coxey (almost) never gave
November 13, 2011 Jeff

When participants in Coxey’s Army (estimated at 500 people) reached Washington on May 1, 1894, having started their march in Massillon, Ohio, they were met by 1500 soldiers, with more on call in case of trouble. When Jacob Coxey went to speak, he was arrested for walking on the grass.

It is particularly interesting to think that he was arrested while reading the first two paragraphs…

May 1, 1894

The Constitution of the United States guarantees to all citizens the right to peaceably assemble and petition for redress of grievances, and furthermore declares that the right of free speech shall not be abridged.

We stand here to-day to test these guaranties of our Constitution. We choose this place of assemblage because it is the property of the people, and if it be true that the right of the people to peacefully assemble upon their own premises and utter their petitions has been abridged by the passage of laws in direct violation of the Constitution, we are here to draw the eyes of the entire nation to this shameful fact. Here rather than at any other spot upon the continent it is fitting that we should come to mourn over our dead liberties and by our protest arouse the imperiled nation to such action as shall rescue the Constitution and resurrect our liberties.

Upon these steps where we stand has been spread a carpet for the royal feet of a foreign princess, the cost of whose lavish entertainment was taken from the public Treasury without the consent or the approval of the people. Up these steps the lobbyists of trusts and corporations have passed unchallenged on their way to committee rooms, access to which we, the representatives of the toiling wealth-producers, have been denied. We stand here to-day in behalf of millions of toilers whose petitions have been buried in committee rooms, whose prayers have been unresponded to, and whose opportunities for honest, remunerative, productive labor have been taken from them by unjust legislation, which protects idlers, speculators, and gamblers: we come to remind the Congress here assembled of the declaration of a United States Senator, “that for a quarter of a century the rich have been growing richer, the poor poorer, and that by the close of the present century the middle class will have disappeared as the struggle for existence becomes fierce and relentless.”
" ...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:03 | 3229848 jeff montanye
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that's the problem with 500 people.  with 500,000 they do more watching.

but your point is well taken.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:52 | 3229946 blindman
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50 million ! possible

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:59 | 3230145 Captain Kink
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so these guys were zh'ers in 1894.  the state is winning the whole way...your post, while informative and inspiriing also just makes me sad.  Will constitutionalists a hundred years from now be eulogising what we do now, still as defeated and enslaved as we are now and Coxey was then?

When is this long struggle against the monster of the state have we ever gained ground?  

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:09 | 3230414 blindman
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march 1st, 2013. let us all, 300 plus million, meet
in washington d.c. and figure it out! rain date ...
april 1st, 2013. then june 1st .... for the present
population and posterity the whole world round. maybe it
is the the time for the american population to stand up
and be heard?
it might result in marshal law being imposed in d.c.,
oh well. that is apparently up to the powers that be
for those who cannot travel, in sympathy, show up at
your local adminstrative buildings and deliver the
public address of your life ! plenty of material to
mine on the internet, plenty of relevant history and
current events to site.
Helen Caldicott - The Truth About Fukushima - Nsearch Radio
America's 2nd Revolutionary War
remember, keep it peaceful, otherwise you arm the adversary and
supply them with the illusion of justification and that is
an important illusion to respect.
Fifty-four Nations Are Implicated in a CIA Torture Scheme
is this the legacy of leadership for which the american people will
be remembered in history? in whos name? in my name?
The Great Imposition
The Forced Involuntary Servitude of America
by Preston James

Obviously the offshore Banksters operating out of the City of London Financial District (the “Great Draco” or “Dragon”) do not want to maintain a visible role. They desire to stay in the background avoiding public disclosure as the “string pullers” or the master controllers, the Oz behind the curtain”. They know that if fully and openly exposed to the American public their power would be eroded and crushed within a generation as the average American Joe would identify them as their complete enemy within the gates and the usurper of the US Constitution And Bill of Rights. They would quickly come to view these offshore Banksters as what they really are once the curtain is pulled back, blood sucking, asset stripping parasites attempting to destroy America and take it back in a cover replay of the American revolution or the War of 1812. They tried hard again with the Civil War and lost and now they are making their big, final play to retake America on their terms which means to forever crush it into pieces which can be easily folded into their evil long planned trans-generational NWO Globalist system.
" ..
"Chris Hedges: “We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy.”

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:14 | 3231179 NidStyles
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Constitutionalists will lose, but not Liberty itself.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:59 | 3229773 Sean7k
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The fourth amendment was pretty much shredded already, with the police allowed to enter your house without cause and it being against the law to shoot them when they do. Anything DHS does should be illegal. The tenth amendment is toothless, the first is a pipe dream and the second is on the run. The executive creates legislation and starts wars, the Supremes show up long enough to legitimize it and Congress just plays with themselves.

The Constitution is a contract and the government has broken the contract. Therefore, we don't owe them ANYTHING, but our scorn, ridicule and bullets.


Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:09 | 3229782 Totentänzerlied
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I never signed that contract, nor authorized any party to sign for me, and neither did anyone I've ever met.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:02 | 3229775 holdbuysell
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"By the way, the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border."

And according to one of the referenced Wired articles, that border encompasses pretty much ALL of the highly populated areas on the coasts. See the graphic here (the color-coding on the graphic is misleading IMO, but the stat in the lower right sounds about right):

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:20 | 3230126 Cast Iron Skillet
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Are airports with international connections considered to be "borders"? If so, the orange areas on the map could be extended considerably.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:12 | 3229783 Totentänzerlied
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The map's highlighted region includes about 50% of the population. And about 80% of the liberal population.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:26 | 3230433 Tom_333
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They refuse to understand what has happened to them.As well.

Just heard that the head of "We Are Change" in NJ got himself arrested.Being in possession of a handgun.He apparently had a tenant that he shared the flat with and the guy called the cops because the heating wasn´t working.It was way too cold in the flat for comfort ( this the US...?). When the guy was abruptly awakend by someone he mistook for a prowler he bumped into a police officer.He immidiately put away his gun but was out of luck and the gun was noticed.Apparently the reg number didn´t match what was on record...clerical error.? now he´s locked up with a possibility for doing real time.

This will sooner or later happen to the obamanoids.Those that are a tiny piece out of luck. Whine about it then.Won´t help.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:17 | 3231190 NidStyles
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The same guy that was probably all about gun control too....

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:56 | 3229786 blindman
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Governments, corps, cops, and crims want them--privacy lovers left and right don't

The drone-industrial complex wants 30,000 eyes in the sky spying on us Americans by 2020
bob said ....
30,000 should just about do it, sea to shining sea:
then ..
and who is paying for all this? oh, never mind.
omniscience and omnipotence from the sky directed
by moral and ethical mutants from the sewer of a lawless,
and fraud based, anxiety insider club. how can this be?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:14 | 3229788 lolmao500
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DHS : we need to know who is reading and watching what in order to keep the terrorists out and protect our morality.

/this was actually from GTA4 radio, where a fake talk show host was doing a big big big parody... well guess what, parody is now reality.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:14 | 3229789 notadouche
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The biggest difference betwwen the action of Bush and the acceleration of Obama is that the Times and other like minded media outlets were up in arms (and rightfully so) when Bush put first put the policy in place but sadly remained mum once the acceleration process began.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:15 | 3229792 the grateful un...
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thats because obama is the president of the people

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:21 | 3229997 bunnyswanson
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Correction:  Obama is the president of the Indonesian people.

Redistributing the wealth was this man's goal and by god, he's doing it to developing nations, his old stomping grounds.

"PBS’s “Frontline” published the transcript from a June 27, 2012 interview with Kristen Caldwell, a woman who grew up with President Barack Obama and attended the Punahou School with him in Honolulu, Hawaii. Among other claims, she told PBS that, as a young child, Obama told his classmates that he was Kenyan royalty or an Indonesian prince — fascinating claims that she discussed in great detail."

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:17 | 3229796 the grateful un...
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so you store your data somewhere else, and you put a mission impossible self destruct mechanism on your hard drive

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3229798 skunzie
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I don't worry too much any longer.  I know exactly how I will die now; at the hands of some "brown shirted" individual with a gun.  My only hope is that the little cretin will know how to shoot correctly so as to make the end fairly painless.  The USA was a great place to live for much of my 56 years on this planet.  Now, not so much.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:30 | 3229805 Cheesy Bastard
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My hope is that you will know how to shoot correctly, so you will take some of them with you.  I will.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:44 | 3229922 bunnyswanson
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I was touring ancient ruins in Italy and came to a village with a huge catapult on display.  It was here that I had a flashback of having been here before, as a toddler, and that I died quite young (trampled by horse).

I am not a mystical person.  I am not religiously oriented in any particular way.  I have spend no more than a couple minutes considering the possibilities of a spiritual world because it is too abstract and who has the time?  But this moment was real to me.  Happened about 15 years ago.  I will never forget how familiar it felt (wanted to play in the dirt, as if to resume where I was when I was last there).  Soudns crazy but who knows.  Leave this world like you'll be returning one day is now my philosophy. Karma baby!


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:57 | 3230050 Parrotile
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Perhaps you need to visit the following website.

Whether you choose to believe this or not, it is nevertheless an interesting read, which ties in nicely with many non-Western views on what may constitute "An Afterlife".

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:22 | 3229801 ptoemmes
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ALL of Florida, huh.  NO place to hide...

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:23 | 3229802 Jack Burton
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What should really scare you is the kind of person who seeks and gets hired for one of these highly paid and power laden government security jobs. We have hired hundreds of thousands of grade A assholes and a collection of useless pricks who can't find a productive private sector job. These are the people who mainly fill the ranks of the new national security police. Ever wonder why arriving in America from a foreign trip now sends a chill down your spine. Hell, I have entered the old Soviet Union several times and had a less bad experince than the last time I came back to the USA from an extended stay in Sweden and tried to clear passport and customs at Minneapolis airport. The passport guy was a world class prick and the customs swarmed over me like ants at a picnic. All for the crime of visiting Sweden. I have grown to hate what this country is becoming, one day I will explode and tell these useless pricks who are our security police just what I think of them. Then I will be well and truely screwed over, but how long can you keep silent when confronted with overpaid, underworked, useless, lazy, overpaid cunts!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:08 | 3229854 Obama4Ever
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And I bet you dutifully pay your taxes though. If you help finance the state I don't see how you can complain about it.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:01 | 3230056 Parrotile
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the USSA it's a case of "Pay your Taxes, or you're on the No Fly List"?

If you have business interests overseas it'll make better economic sense to cough up and be done with it. Otherwise your overseas business interests will not be seeing you anytime soon.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 06:59 | 3230227 Titus
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The last time I flew into LA I had a latino repeatedly ask me: "Joo born here mane?" I think was asking if I was born in the USA. I'm quite sure he wasn't born in the borders given that I couldn't understand him. 

The foreigner stood between me and legal entry into the USA and couldn't properly speak English to inquire about the location of my birth. 

I regularly fly around the former USSR, Europe, and some muslim countries and do not get hastled anywhere like the USA.

Now I HATE FLYING TO THE USA. Even domestically the DHS & border patrol are worse than entering international anywhere else (except maybe Israel), as long as you're white and paid for a plain ticket. I've heard it's quite easy to run the border from Mexico, especially if you have a backpack full of drugs. 

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