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Goodbye Fourth Amendment: Homeland Security Affirms "Suspicionless" Confiscation Of Devices Along Border

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Slowly but surely the administration is making sure that both the US constitution, and its various amendments, become a thing of the past. In the name of national security, of course. And while until now it was the First and Second amendments that were the target of the administration's ongoing efforts to eavesdrop on anyone, all the time, in order to decide who may be a domestic terrorist and thus fit for 'droning', coupled with an aggressive push to disarm and curtail the propagation of weapons in what some perceive is nothing more than an attempt to take away a population's one recourse to defend itself against a tyrannical government, the time may be coming to say goodbye to the Fourth amendment - the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures - next. But only in close proximity to the border at first. According to Wired, "the Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security."

More on America's quest, by a very select few, to one by one extinguish its civil liberties from Wired:

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.


“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.


The memo highlights the friction between today’s reality that electronic devices have become virtual extensions of ourselves housing everything from e-mail to instant-message chats to photos and our papers and effects — juxtaposed against the government’s stated quest for national security.

And before this becomes yet another red vs blue scream fest, where the underlying fact is ignored in the name of proving the validity of one's ideological convictions, the reality is that the eradication of the Fourth Amendment started with Bush, and has merely accelerated under Obama.

The President George W. Bush administration first announced the suspicionless, electronics search rules in 2008. The President Barack Obama administration followed up with virtually the same rules a year later. Between 2008 and 2010, 6,500 persons had their electronic devices searched along the U.S. border, according to DHS data.

What does this decision mean in principle:

According to legal precedent, the Fourth Amendment — the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures — does not apply along the border. By the way, the government contends the Fourth-Amendment-Free Zone stretches 100 miles inland from the nation’s actual border.

100 miles today, 1,000 miles tomorrow, and the entire nation the day after. Though no need: as the attached map also from Wired shows, the "borders" in question include maritime as well, and with the bulk of the US population concentrated along the coasts, the "constitution free" zone of the US includes virtually everyone living on the two seaboards: some 66% of the US population!

For those still confused, luckily there is a case study:

A lawsuit the ACLU brought on the issue concerns a New York man whose laptop was seized along the Canadian border in 2010 and returned 11 days later after his attorney complained.


At an Amtrak inspection point, Pascal Abidor showed his U.S. passport to a federal agent. He was ordered to move to the cafe car, where they removed his laptop from his luggage and “ordered Mr. Abidor to enter his password,” according to the lawsuit.


Agents asked him about pictures they found on his laptop, which included Hamas and Hezbollah rallies. He explained that he was earning a doctoral degree at a Canadian university on the topic of the modern history of Shiites in Lebanon.


He was handcuffed and then jailed for three hours while the authorities looked through his computer while numerous agents questioned him, according to the suit, which is pending in New York federal court.

First they came for your iPad, and nobody said anything...

In other news, the rest of the world now openly hates America for its relentless and ever accelerating loss of freedoms. All "in the name of the national security" bogeyman of course.


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Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:09 | 3230292 goldenbuddha454
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Agreed, flying domestically sucks!  I always, always, always, 'opt out' on those damned X-Ray full body image machines too.  If you believe the govt. that they are harmless then go ahead and get in.  I for one have read many articles that say radiation is cumulative in your body over a lifetime of being exposed.  There's enough cancer in this country without another man-made machine contributing to it. 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:19 | 3230717 Vooter
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I pay my taxes because I don't feel like going to jail. In other words, I've made the Hobson's choice to PAY FOR MY FREEDOM. Nice, huh? I guess that's the kind of "freedom" that we and rest of the world are supposed to gleefully jerk off over, right? FUCK YOU, AND FUCK THIS COUNTRY.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:58 | 3229953 Turin Turambar
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I spent over a month around the Christmas holidays in Peru traveling and visiting family with my wife. Everything was great until we returned and had to go through an opt out gropefest in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. I absolutely despise air travel because of TSA. In many ways, Peru is much freer than the US.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:42 | 3230030 DoChenRollingBearing
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I go to Peru about twice a year.  Over the past four years or so, your experiences have been much like mine.  But, to be fair, they are really bad when we come back from Europe too.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:37 | 3230270 TNTARG
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As in Argentina. Come and see. You'll love it.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:16 | 3230298 GetZeeGold
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I hope you're not in Argentina.....cause advertisements like that will get you arrested.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:17 | 3230372 TNTARG
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You're so wrong.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:01 | 3230833 Matt
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GetZeeGold is refering to the government ban on advertising in newspapers. Your post is like an advertisement for tourism to Argentina.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:44 | 3230183 cherry picker
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I used to love America.  My children are Americans.  I am not.

I no longer love the country or the paranoid and enslaved.

I am civil for only one reason, my children.  As far as the federal government and the white house and the rest of the bull shit artists are concerned, they can fuck themselves.   I aint going back to be humiliated by crossing a fucking border.  TSA and Homeland security can kiss my ass.  I am a free man and can say that where I live and not worry about the consequences.  Can you?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 05:19 | 3230200 Vlad Tepid
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I am an American.  My children are not.  A painful but conscious decision that will no doubt benefit them in the future.  My family protested wildly at the time.  Now...they say nothing.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:29 | 3229808 Atomizer
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I just returned from Ft. Myers on Wednesday. My group number was called to board plane. Noticed something strange as I approached the ticket check-in. Two TSA fuckwits were standing off to the side. Next thing, they approach me and ask for the same fucking leather computer bag that just went thru security not 10 minutes ago.

My bag contents:  New house keys, remote control for 3 car garage, ADT alarm system remote for house, closing papers, passport, business cards and my Blackberry Playbook.


This is where things got weird.  Turned away while they riffled thru my bag. Next I heard, here is your bag.  As I continued to bite my tongue, this guy tells me that I should work for the TSA. [My inner thoughts, why would I work for a low life scum piece of shit]. Instead, I nodded my head and took my bag from him and boarded plane.


Me? Work for the TSA? I’ll defund those motherfuckers first.. True story. It was so bizarre…

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:10 | 3230070 XitSam
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Should have asked, "Oh, why is that?"

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:48 | 3230141 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You got flagged for the Blackberry Playbook. Only terrorists and Canadians have them.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:43 | 3231264 NidStyles
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No joke, I had to look it up. Had no idea what it was.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3229810 Spastica Rex
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How is this possible? Seriously? If you live in Maine or Florida, the 4th doesn't apply to you?



Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:39 | 3229816 reader2010
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What happens those damn devices on a private jet flying from NYC to Tokyo nonstop?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 07:01 | 3230229 Titus
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Absolutely nothing. 2 sets of rights in the USSA. Private jets make you exempt.

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:39 | 3229817 blindman
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everything is just bullshit to distract the attention
of the people from the horrifying fact that their
money system is a failed fraud designed to enslave
and bankrupt them of everything they have worked for
and have attempted to believe in. so remember,
avoid this thought if you want to fit in and
have "intelligent" discourse with your fellow men
and women. i think they call this kicking the can
or boiling the frog or being on the dole or welfare
or santa clause or denial or "sanity" or risk management
or abiding by the law or ..........national security
and surveillance or ..... patrio-religion
it will be a very scary place when they integrate
the information collection process, data mining, surveillance
apparatus , psychological marketing techniques and weapons
systems all in a world with no law that need be respected
by the "owners" of the systems. it is just too dark to even
think about this trajectory of our species. i would say good
luck but luck has nothing to do with it, we need much more
than luck.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:35 | 3230320 tip e. canoe
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yeah, just wait until local law enforcement gets their hands on those databases.   nothing worse than a bunch of small town coppers with nothing to do, a declining department budget, a database filled with the indiscretions of their local townsfolk, and a warehouse full of small arms & weaponry paid for with FED funny money.    

do i smell corruption or are you just happy to see me, sherriff?

Sat, 02/09/2013 - 23:42 | 3229821 JR
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That’s in the Constitution: The Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments, only go up to within 100 miles of the border. Sarc/off

They don’t control the border but they want to take away freedom.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:00 | 3229958 Turin Turambar
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Sadly, the Constitution has been an abject failure. :-(

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:19 | 3230081 JR
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This banker-controlled regime that has overridden America’s Constitution has engaged a national police force to use as its totalitarian weapon. The shadow of a “harsh and impenetrable iron curtain” has fallen over the borders of the United States of America.

President George Washington observed that “government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force.” Loving liberty, he and the Founders devoted themselves to binding down that force with the once powerful chains of the Constitution.  This banker-controlled President and Congress have flaunted the limits imposed upon them by the Constitution they swore to uphold.

As Frank Cobb wrote in La Follette’s Magazine in 1920, “It is not the powers that they conferred upon the government, but the powers that they prohibited to the government which makes the Constitution a charter of liberty.”

Ayn Rand, in her moral arguments against the communist and socialist regimes of her day, said that “no man of authentic benevolence could evade or ignore so great a horror on so vast a scale.

“When one observes the nightmare of the desperate efforts made by hundreds of thousands of people struggling to escape from the socialized countries of Europe, to escape over barbed-wire fences, under machine-gun fire—one can no longer believe that socialism, in any of its forms, is motivated by benevolence and by the desire to achieve men’s welfare.”

Liberty is destroyed under the gun of government, under socialism. Today, in America, a gun is purchased every 1.5 seconds. It appears that those who love liberty intend to defend America's Constitution that gave men the right to live free.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:00 | 3230282 SmallerGovNow2
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Awesome JR, you should write a book...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:46 | 3231272 NidStyles
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I wish people would quit worshipping the founding fathers, they were humans just like the rest of us. We are all just as capable of thinking through the problems as they were, probably even more so with our greater access to information.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:09 | 3230847 Shell Game
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Bullshit.  It has been the inevitable rise of Statist, fiat-corrupted government and society that has trampled it. From the rise of the first American Dictator in 1861 to our current American Dictator, a series of destructive usurpations of the Constitution has occurred to set the table for the greatest looting mankind has ever witnessed. 

It is the other way around, we have failed the Constitution, until such time we take it back..


p.s. nicely said, JR.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:46 | 3230036 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ JR

You wrote: "They don’t control the border but they want to take away freedom."

Yes, true.  But, maybe there's angle to be worked there...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:43 | 3230138 JR
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Something has to be worked out, DoChen. But I take exception with Judge Andrew P. Napolitano's angle that every person or corporation in the world has the “the natural right to come here, and the government has no moral right to interfere with any of these freely made decisions,” which also happens to be the view of United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano.

Rather, I agree with Ronald Reagan that “a nation that cannot control its borders is not a nation.”

Recent US presidents and congresses in support of globalism have flooded the US with waves of Third World immigrants not only to impose wealth redistribution upon Americans but to displace the current "native" population by sheer numbers both to destroy America's culture and middle class and to push the nation and all peoples into a collective culture of world governance.

If this were not the case, the international corporations would have gone to Mexico to develop a free enterprise system with an emphasis on freedom and a higher standard of living; instead they chose to put both America and Mexico and the world on a road to serfdom, to socialism.

Those familiar with North American labor and resource problems know that the Mexican people crossing the border are not doing it because they would rather be in the United States than in Mexico.  Because of the international bankers and the corporations who put a premium on low wages and low fringe benefits--who made a deal with both Mexico’s and America’s corrupt governments—many Mexicans are forced to leave a homeland and a culture that they love.  Mexico is favored with abundant natural resources and willing labor and most any Mexican would rather have his culture, his friends and his community than to move into a new situation with a new language and new trials.

All this emphasis on diversity has been done under a false spirit of liberty to achieve the Trilateral Commission’s unworkable mission to merge all nations and mankind into one.

Liberty, as Edmund Burke said, “must be limited in order to be possessed.” The extreme of liberty” to which he referred, i.e., the misuse of liberty, was the French Revolution (which he had predicted) that ended in a military dictatorship that plunged all of Europe into almost two decades of war.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3230276 WarriorClass
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When I consider what the founders of this country said in regards to why they fought for freedom, they all said for themselves and their posterity, their children. To create and keep an open, free and prosperous society, it only makes sense to keep those opposed to that philosophy out. Further, the wealth created by such a society rightfully belongs to the decendents of those that created it, and ONLY to those others that they choose to allow to participate in that society. Most Americans opposed the Immigration Reform Act of 1965, but like the Bankster Bailout, it passed anyway. Our decent into this current police state was a direct result of this act, first by the votes they brought with them and now by their voting machines. If you can't get a population to accept a ruling class, change the population. This has been done before in history with great success, and ours is no exception. Due to the Immigration Reform Act of 1965, America was invaded by brainwashed eurotrash socialists and third world bottom feeders who think corruption is a way of life. If there is one major cause of the death of freedom in America, this invasion was it.

National boundaries are just an extension of property rights of a free society, and our corporate dictatorship has stolen our inheritance and given it to strangers.  Prior to this, on June 17, 1963 the Supreme Court effectively kicked God out of our schools by an 8 to 1 vote that went unchallenged by the American people, despite its twisted interpretation of the establishment clause.  Is there a connection? 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:51 | 3231286 NidStyles
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Ahh, the collectivization of property rights. You know in the olden days that was called absolutism. That is the belief that allows the state to enact the crap we are seeing

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:11 | 3229829 The Gooch
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wait... This article is from 2009?


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:20 | 3230869 Matt
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2013-02-09 in highest-to-lowest value order: February 9, 2013.

In February 2009 they started a 120 day study that they completed 3 years later.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:22 | 3229850 DaveyJones
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We were interviewing a new local cop who made lots of mistakes in a criminal case a couple of weeks ago. He followed none of the rules constitutional or otherwise. We asked him why he did things the way he did and he said because that's the way he did things at the old job. You can guess his old job.  Yeah this place has been taken over by sociopaths to be dished out by idiots

Mon, 02/11/2013 - 02:12 | 3232375 Dolar in a vortex
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I just want to know if Dearbornistan is in da zone or out da zone.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:07 | 3229853 Divine Wind
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For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

While their move sucks, I see a huge business opportunities here to avoid the prying eyes.

Here is one:

One of the principles is a former SEAL, another is the founder of PGP.

I was told by a friend working with Naval Undersea Warfare that this is, currently,
the gold standard and that it pissed a whole bunch of folk off when it was offered to the public..


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:27 | 3229874 the grateful un...
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i'm sure the taliban has been buying this up, (uh huh). the resistance in Iraq was wiring up IEDs using cell phones, the us military couldn't figure out a way to jam the signal. my own thought, encrypte your own emails and change the code every few days or hours. basically the antiterrorist group is top heavy with big thinkers, who can crack the hardest codes, but can they handle a lot of stuff that isn't done by the socalled book?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:17 | 3229856 world_debt_slave
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Only applies if you are a US citizen.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:18 | 3229858 Northern Lights
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Wow, Canada Customs is already engaged in checking electronic devices if you're entering Canada.

Not so sure about them asking to see your IPhone, but I know they do it with laptops if they are suspicious.

I'm 40 years old and I still don't own a cellphone and my computer is a desktop.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:28 | 3229877 the grateful un...
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you look old for your age

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:46 | 3230613 Henry Hub
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I think being in Canada and observing the U.S. being turned into a police state is a lot like being in Austria during the time the Nazis were taking over Germany. You can see what's inevitably coming to your country. I hope I'm wrong.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:23 | 3230874 Matt
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Do you mean they ask you to unlock the computer so they can see what is on it, or do you mean they make you turn it on to make sure it is a real electronic device and not a bomb? Those are two very different things. The latter has been in effect since 9/11.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:24 | 3229867 steve from virginia
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These work with business executives, hedge fund managers and government administrators equally well. Head or feet first.


Periodic greasing of moving parts is all that's required:

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 03:53 | 3230143 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Always feet first..............

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:31 | 3229889 dunce
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The only people being travel restricted and searched are ordinary American citizens. In all these years the DHS has caught zero terrorists. The few that have been caught were caught by others. i have not flown since 9-11 and i never will fly again. Illegal mexican aliens have less trouble crossing our border than our citizens.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:38 | 3229894 ZeroAvatar
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These days you're either WITH them or AGAINST them.  It seems, if you want to have ANY kind of future, you join up with the tunnel-visioned, low-IQ'd, can't-see-the-trees-for-the-forest idiots who populate HS,TSA, FEMA, CONGRESS, DOJ, (and I'd add CITI, GS, JPM, but that's a whole 'nother ball of wax). 


Any more, I feel like an 'outsider' in my own country.  All my life, I tried to stay out of trouble, do what's right, treat people with respect, you know, be an AMERICAN.  Now, it seems like I'm the 'enemy'.  Television ads only show people of races of which I am not.  Laws are CONSTANTLY being made that are only to my detriment.  My vote no longer counts. My desires no longer count.  If I'm not producing taxes for the machine, I'm nothing more than a useless eater and I need to die, quickly. 

My opinions do not matter.  It's as though I've passed through to a different universe, and left the old one behind.  Nothing seems real anymore.  Lies are truths. Freedom is there for me in NAME only.  I live in a prison now, can't leave my own home.  If I do, someone may break in and steal everything.  They may do that WHILE I'M HERE!  If I leave, things that used to cost $8.00 are now $15.00 (2 small boxes of cigars). When winter comes around, the heating bill goes to $350.  Filling the gas tank is $ 50.00.  A mixed drink somewhere is $6.00. How can anyone anymore be expected to have a little left over for pleasure items?  Everyday must be a struggle for MILLIONS of people. 

Everyone around me seems oblivious as to what is currently taking place in our country and society.  I've learned to sort of 'feel' people out about any subject, because no matter WHAT it is, their outlook or opinion is 345 degrees different from anything I would expect.

I haven't flown in YEARS!  Why would anyone NOW want to go to visit Mexico?  Drug lords and murders as far as the eye can see, kidnappings, and passports NOW required where only a few years ago you could walk or drive or fly across freely.  You go there, you may spend YEARS in a mexican prison. 

Everywhere I go now, Mexicans are everywhere.  They boldly go about their business, speaking in what I can only describe as one of the most nasty disgusting languages on the planet.  They are truly invaders, and will GLADLY run a dope business, whether or not it is a FELONY!  Speaks volumes about their character. In about 15 to 20 years, when all the anchor babies (and they are LEGION) start to vote, and want to eat, they will begin to steal and kill and deal dope and run in gangs in quantities never before seen in America. 

No, this isn't America anymore.  Period.  It's a third world country.  Visit Dearbornistan.  Visit Detroit.  Visit Atlanta.  Visit L.A.  No?  Nobody wants to talk about what's wrong with the country anymore, everyone just wants to get along to get along.  Anybody who says ANYTHING about  any of these things (when not in an anonymous forum) is looked upon as a crank, a nutcase or just plain crazy. 


I no longer desire to take the car on a road trip to another state and go fishing.  Gas is too expensive.  Fishing licenses have gone through the roof.  Cops are everywhere, watching every move, looking to give you a ticket for speeding or expired plates or having a concealed weapon.  Siince when do I as an American and Ex-Marine need to ask ANYBODY permission to own a firearm?  I don't need a concealed permit.  It's my god-damned right as a human being to be able to protect myself from the hoards of fucking idiots swarming all over the country with a ME-ME-ME attitude.  All that matters in America anymore is PORN and DOPE.  You dope-smoking zombie's brains are so fucked up you can't even add 1+1, yet you want to make the shit legal and 'chill-out, dude'.  If you only knew how you look in the eyes of intelligent, sober people.


Molon Labe.  Remember to aim for HEADS and HIPS. 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:13 | 3229985 Jab Cross Hook
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Used properly, THC treats many a vet's PTSD symptoms -- and keeps them from smacking those who forget the boot-camp lesson of ditching that selfish word, "I."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 07:09 | 3230232 Titus
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Hate to break it to this guy, but his vote never mattered.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:25 | 3230004 Rusty Trombone
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Are you 100% Native American ?  I hate to break it to you angry white asshole, but you are descended from illegal aliens. The police state and it's liberty and freedom crushing machinations apply to us ALL , regardless of race, color or creed.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:55 | 3230125 Rusty Trombone
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6 people are butthurt by the truth.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:05 | 3230289 WarriorClass
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The colonists were not illegal aliens, dipshit.  They weren't even immigrants.  They were colonists that estalished homes on land that was unoccupide and unclaimed by anyone - just like the "native" Americans.  They then fought against the police state of their time, unlike you, asshole.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:20 | 3230164 MisterMousePotato
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I gave you an up arrow, but your post deserves a personal thank you note. It was reaffirming. Thank you.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 07:48 | 3230244 bunnyswanson
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I gave you an up arrrow although I believe you have it wrong about the pot smokers.  The complacency I see is in the sports fans, the fashion walkers, the reality TV fans, how much time do men spend looking at porn these days?  Oh, not you..oookay.  Yes, escapism is just a matter of what your poison is. 

The crowd attending the gladiator fights isn't the pot smokers.  The pot smokers are talking and thinking.  The beer drinkers are crying.  What are you doing, mister?  Nothing?  Same thing, maybe worse.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:49 | 3230801 FeralSerf
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What's the difference between a pot smoker and someone that likes a couple of glasses of wine or whiskey?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:03 | 3230957 Jab Cross Hook
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From what I see, one of us will be much more tolerable and beneficial to the community if SHTF.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 18:51 | 3231437 NidStyles
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Hmm, which one? I think that is more up to the individual than the substance of their choice. Give me some good Scotch and I will shoot things from a distance all day. Get me high and I will eat everything in your pantry.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 00:48 | 3229935 blindman
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it won't be long, if not already, "they" can read
anything from anywhere as long as you're on the web.
the worst part is they can already implant or instruct
people what to think and read anyway so ....
we need to find out which thoughts are crimes and
avoid them. this can be deduced from the use of the
word terror by msm and government public speakers,
also some high placed academics.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:11 | 3229973 Jab Cross Hook
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Sun, 02/10/2013 - 01:14 | 3229980 ebworthen
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So the stupid L.A. cops shot a Grandma and her Daughter in a pickup they thought was Dorner (rougue L.A.P.D. cop).

Wrong color, wrong make, wrong plates, wrong suspect description.  Trigger happy dumbfuck Gestapo!

So...the cops can shoot innocent people and get away with it while charging citizens defending their homes and lives with "reckless endagerment" as they violate the Constitution over and over and over.

Police, you DO NOT have my support. 

Oathkeepers, stay strong, you do.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 05:14 | 3230199 cherry picker
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The "authorities" only consider this blip you describe as collateral damage.

How many thousands of innocent lives have been lost?

Now the Nobel Peace Prize winner and "Christian" President is in control of a kill list.

I'm not religeous but it would be nice if old Jesus showed up at Obama's door one day and taught him a lesson.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:10 | 3230294 WarriorClass
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That will happen sooner than most people think; however the Lord will give him more rope first.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:34 | 3230317 Winston of Oceania
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:57 | 3230650 Henry Hub
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There is nothing more dangerous than a frightened, cowardly cop.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 16:35 | 3231112 Joseph Jones
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Hey, it's OK, a simple easily understood mistake, so says the LAPD Chief.  Don't two women, one a grandmother, the other a minor, both delivering newspapers, look a lot like a 250 lb black ex-Navy ex-cop with tons of military training out to kill PD? 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:01 | 3230055 lolmao500
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Goodbye employment security : citizens affirms they will shoot DHS agents in the face on sight because they might be terrorists, and you don't take chances with terrorists.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:37 | 3230090 tip e. canoe
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constitution-free zones // maritime jurisdictions // colorable admiralty // District of Columbia // GITMO // fringed flags

beginning to make sense yet?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 02:30 | 3230095 Freewheelin Franklin
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There is aa lawsuit pending about being forced to turn over a passphase for encrypted files. IIRC, someone crossing the US-Canadian border was supposedly viewing child porn. His laptop was confiscated. The laptop shut off, and when LEO attempted to access the supposed files, they ran into the encryption.


The argument is, a person can not be compelled to turn over their passphrase due to 5th Amendment self incrimination. Which would normally hold, i imagine. But, the border guard apparently witnessed the guy viewing the material, which is why 5th Amendment might not hold.What child porn and terrorism have in common, I have no idea. I guess the proceeds from CP are used to fund Middle Easter terrorism, or some such nonsense. Just like when they tried to tell us buying drugs funds terrorism. Well, of course, now that the US basically controls the Afghani poppy fields, and Afghanistan supplies something like 90% of the world's opium supply, if you buy drugs, you now support terrorism. Well, Imperialism, Colonialism, whatever you want to call it.

OF COURSE, if you are in the UK, there is no such right as non-self incrimination, and the UK has indeed passed a law that requires a suspect to turn over his passphrase to LEO without a warrant, IIRC.  Which is why there are programs like Rubberhose. Plausible deniability, and such.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:14 | 3230255 Monedas
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What kind of an idiot watches child porn .... especially while crossing a border ? I'm all for civil rights .... but, let's pick a better "Poster Child" ?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:37 | 3230321 Freewheelin Franklin
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Geeze. People are preprogrammed to believe what the state says. 

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:42 | 3230447 Monedas
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I wasn't condemning the guy .... but if there is a rash of these confiscation cases coming down .... let's focus on one that doesn't involve child porn .... maybe some guys Kindle Bible or Koran could get confiscated ? Jeez, people are touchy ?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:31 | 3230549 fledermaus
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I think we have to be skeptics of any charges against anyone, and really get into underlining when anyone is accused stating ALLEGEDLY.   Otherwise we become pawns of the state and what they feed us...  Absolutely, who is in favor of child porn? -and that is the point. Instantly you have that scarlet letter...  Now is it true?  or just allegation to keep your stuff harass intimate.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:04 | 3230670 Henry Hub
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What they are saying is: "Trust us with unlimited police power and we will only use it against Terrorists and pedophiles. You know the really bad guys."

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:38 | 3230767 TNTARG
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Do not confuse "state" with "government", please. People are programmed to believe what the government says since kindergarden. Kids at school, standing with their right hand over the hearth, promising to obbey the government.

That's bad, really. You shouldn't allow your children to be forced to declaim that INGSOC bullshit.

Governments are supposed to work for us, they're our employees, not the other way around. And if they don't fullfill their duties, we should have what it takes to kick them out of the office.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:26 | 3230530 fledermaus
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Consider how fast you go from defending someone elses freedom to "throw the book at them."  All they have to do is 'say' they found, or 'plant' some child porn on your laptop / i device & and public opinion, and anyone public outcry defending you is gone.

Think the Government knows that about the public?... Now connect the dots...  It's no different than planting evidence on someone.   

Innocent till proven guilty, having your day in court, all the protections designed to check against power... is allllllllllll going, going, gone.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 16:48 | 3231126 Bad Attitude
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"...but, let's pick a better 'Poster Child' ?"

This modern Poster Child is really not that much different than the poster children of the past. Much of the modern erosion of the Fourth Amendment as it relates to the physical search of persons, vehicles, and homes happened in the 60s and 70s as a result of drug searches. Many of the drug cases that made it to the US Supreme Court involved really stupid people doing really stupid things.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:17 | 3230162 q99x2
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Who did the author's of the great constitution of the US say was susposed to protect us against the FEDs?

Not me. Oh no they didn't expect me to do that job. I can't believe it. This can't be fuckin happening man.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 04:29 | 3230172 cherry picker
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The only thing I can contibute to this is I am glad I live in another country which most people have no respect for but I do. 

Today there was a cop carrying a couple of machine guns and a few pistols into the station from his car.  I said hello and held up my hands in a humrous way and he smiled,  When you see cops in America with those kind of arms and you do anything like I did, there is a good chance I would have been eyed with suspicion and maybe taken in.

Ever notice that all law enforrcement in America never smiles when on duty and looking at you.  They forget they are working for us and they forget they are human like us.

I am less feearful of fellows carrying guns here than I am in the USA.

That is a scary revelation.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 05:11 | 3230196 TWSceptic
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Sen. Obama, who has taught courses in constitutional law at the University of Chicago, has regularly referred to himself as "a constitutional law professor," most famously at a March 30, 2007, fundraiser when he said, "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution." A spokesman for the Republican National Committee immediately took exception to Obama’s remarks, pointing out that Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was "senior lecturer" and not "professor."


Two lies in one statement, a true sociopath.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:01 | 3230284 goldenbuddha454
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If wiping your ass with the constitution is a show of respect for it, then I guess that Obama has it licked!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 06:03 | 3230210 Super Broccoli
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does "100 miles from the border" also includes international airports ? ;-) So there goes Denver orange on the map ;-)

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 07:46 | 3230221 Zola
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@lolmao, it pains me to say but you are right. Sad because there are many great things to do in the US.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:07 | 3230252 bunnyswanson
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Please don't call me a jew

This popsicle stand will fall apart with deathbed confessions, book deals with disgruntled ex-employees or black sheeps of the family.  Scandals will result in their being ridiculed into obscurity.  The business class with any respect left will refrain from doing business with them due to bad PR.  and it should be back to relative normalcy...even we can keep the civilians from panicking at the realization they ahve been head that is.

And hey, don't call me a jew.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:04 | 3230287 Dan The Man
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Can i call u a rambling idiot?   I'll need a translation of your comment...if i give i s**t.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:47 | 3230454 Monedas
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Can the Jewish elders "excommunicate" über-idiots like him ?   

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 07:54 | 3230247 Wakanda
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The Second American Revolution, just 100 miles from the border.

Game on FiSHeS!

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 08:18 | 3230258 Monedas
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"Use lye soap .... and scrub like hell .... still can't shake .... that cod fish smell !" .... Pilgrim Wife's Lament

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:01 | 3230281 TrumpXVI
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The only electrical device I happen to own at the present is my new Sandisk Mp3 player.  But trust me, anyone who takes away or messes with my digitally restored "American Graffiti" version of Gene Chandler's "Duke of Earl" is going to find themselves quickly looking down the barrel of a loaded AR15.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:17 | 3230301 DutchR
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Better update the National anthem,


O'er the land of the Constitution-Free and the home of the brave.......

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 09:56 | 3230325 NuYawkFrankie
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Under the Directorate of Homeland Stasi the Roach Motel just got a little stickier

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:06 | 3230356 Pumpkin
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People who don't understand the law and leave it attorneys will never have freedom.  Due process is available within common law.  Common law is without the aid of statutes (Black's 4th Law Dictionary).  In common law, no injury = no case.  Statutory law is the will of the legislature.  You can opt out if you know how.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 10:48 | 3230398 Money 4 Nothing
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Like I mentioned here a couple years ago. In the name of National Security will become one of the most frightening phrases you will hear in the future. Erosion of Civil Librties all in the name of keeping us safe. I think not.

This is the consequence of hiring a former KGB director to consult with DHS to assist with domestic "security".  Janet Napalitano hired this man. Search his name and read his history.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:08 | 3230412 smacker
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The irony of this growing fascist madness among the ruling elites and its growing army of repressive jackboots is that "Discover America" is running TV ads in the UK (and elsewhere I believe) promoting the US as a vacation destination. Lots of halcyon 1970s clips accompanied by "Rosanne Cash - Land of Dreams".

I wonder if Discover America have been asked  to comment on the immigration interrogation, fingerprinting, airport security and 101 other encounters that foreign visitors will have with officialdom during a stay?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:39 | 3230442 Manipuflation
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So they are saying that I should not have purchased the domain name "" yesterday?  I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of bad skippers on ZH who have a descriptive boating accident story to tell.  I am still considering a host.  Suggestions are welcome because I really don't know jack shit about website building.  It really fucking annoys me that I even have to do something like this to be honest but I guess that is the way it is in the new normal and for those who cherish liberty.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:46 | 3230453 moneybots
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“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” 


Orwell could not have said it better.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:28 | 3230537 Manipuflation
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Simply stated, my only reason for existence now is to ensure the state's failure by whatever means possible.  That usually means discussion though.  What a sad state of affairs though really.  The state is driving us to do things that we would not normally do and I understand that tactic.  They are megalomaniacs. 

I don't know what else to do about this situation.(well, I know what to do but...)  There are a lot of pissed off people out there is all I know even here in flyover land.  And the negativity spreads throughout small businesses and throughout the families of small business owners.  It's like a poison and it is evil incarnate.  There can be nothing else to say but that our federal govt is intolerable and the central bank even worse.  It is really this simple:  The central banks are destroying us, indebting us in slave like servitude and stealing our few remaining liberties.  The debate on whether or not that is true is over.

Why can't they just leave us alone?  What can be so wrong with NOT bothering your neighbor?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:53 | 3230639 Vooter
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You're right. They're just cunts. And when you're faced with cunts, you have to make it your life's mission to slowly poison their well...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:54 | 3230817 Manipuflation
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Agreed.  Don't expect anything soon though.  I need at least 40 good writers.(and there are plenty of those here on ZH)  I know, and have been involved with, several folks who could have a website up in 15 minutes but that is not the point.

This is only the last way I can think of to have a debate.  A REAL debate if you will.  But really, the only thing to say, is that .gov types should fuck off and leave us alone.

Here is the deal, I am not Simon Black.  I only ever wanted to get my children out of the way of what is coming.  I really do not want what is coming but I see no other options.  I am staying and will have to be dealt with.  Tell me the truth.    

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:31 | 3230746 samsara
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I leave printed articles (Good one to the point) at diners, Starbucks and other places where people are.

At a restaurant I visit, the waitress said to me. "Are you going to leave that article? I love reading the stuff you leave. They're so interesting. I pass them around."

So you never know how many people you affect.

Little by little, The awakening Is growing geometrically.

Like in nuclear fission, one affects 3, those 3 affect 9,....

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 11:52 | 3230457 Monedas
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We have historically had very lax borders and lax elections .... the borders are tightening up .... except for Mexicans .... who need access to our lax elections !

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:18 | 3230498 Stud Duck
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The 4th amendment was suspended with the RICO laws under Reagan.  At that time it was confiscation of the property of the cocaine drug lord plopping down a million dollar bond and skipping out on the charges, so theright and left wing accepted this erosion of the 4thamendment in support of the "War on Drugs". We all know how well that money was spent.

TSA (thousands standing around) is just an extention of that first RICO act.

Interesting story from Denver, a man with his medicinal card purchased pot in Colorado, had 2 ounces in his carry on, TSA saw it on their X ray, called local policeman on scene, he advised its legal now in Colorado, he can not do anthing, he advisd to call the Feds, TSA made that call and got laughed off the phone. It appears that the TSA is now letting poeple go to Colorado, buy pot and letting them fly home, As long as it is not a weapon or bomb, they don;t care about pot on the plane now!

At least they have a little discreationary power to let people do what they want are far as pot goes.


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:10 | 3230687 Manipuflation
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Stud Duck; not to be rude but how about a link to that story?

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:28 | 3230535 babkjl
Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:39 | 3230582 marcusfenix
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wait didn't the 4th amendment go out the window with the TSA?


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 12:53 | 3230638 Herkimer Jerkimer
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:42 | 3230776 Black Swan 9
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9/11 keeps on giving...

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 13:50 | 3230805 robertocarlos
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Fuck you FBI! FBI fuck you! It's like being in some sort of dark movie now.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 14:06 | 3230840 gnomon
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If the three branches of government won't defend the Constitution, then it is up to each of us individually to do so.  Mistakes will be made.  Lives may be lost.  But that is what they have forced upon us.  

No one lives forever, nor should they.

And not everybody gets a chance to exit this world in a principled manner that is unmistakably correct and honorable.

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 15:05 | 3230962 Tzanchan
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More to come.....

Sun, 02/10/2013 - 17:02 | 3231136 dark pools of soros
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time to fill up the laptop with tranny porn

and just print out all the secret stuff into a real physical book...  everyone hates opening a book



Sun, 02/10/2013 - 21:28 | 3231829 Tursas
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The Germans obeyed Goebbels when referred to homeland security.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:40 | 3235897 kchrisc
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What people don't understand about the 4th and "the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures" is that it is to generate a paper trail of BEFORE the actual search and/or seizure and after. That helps to prevent trumped up charges and persecutions.

That has now flown out the window. So your border "gun and badge thug" doesn't like your scruff or the fine chick you are with and bam he seizes your laptop, that then mysteriously, 10 days later, it reappears with kiddie porn on it. Which you only find out when the SWAT team invades your home at 7am and shoots your dog and parakeet.

Ditto when they just need to generate statistics to justify their budget--i.e. Waco.


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