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US To Use Drones In Chris Dorner Manhunt
Update: this just in - Authorities offer $1 million reward for information leading to arrest of ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner
We were hoping to evade coverage of the latest mass distraction du jour, that of the former LAPD officer Chris Dorner who recently went rogue following a three man murder spree and who has vowed to kill again as per his 6,000 word manifesto, but the US government had made it impossible following confirmation
that the search for Dorner is now the first official drone-hunt in US history.
The Express reports:
Yesterday, as a task force of 125 officers, some riding Snowcats in the rugged terrain, continued their search, it was revealed that Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil.
A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”
Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”
The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began.
He said: “This agency has been at the forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement. That’s all I can say at the moment.”
And once Dorner is found by remote-control, it will be again up to drones to secure his "elimination." If for no other reason than to perform a ground test of just how the recently enacted drone-facilitated extermination of US citizens sits with various instances of the US judicial system.
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Check the source. There's something fishy about that one. Because it's the only one. And at last count there are five versions out there.
The real one was posted on a English Essayist forum and it sticks out like a sore thumb in the middle of a conversation about Richard the 3rd.
Did anyone else see how two LAPD cops emptied their guns into the newspaper delivery peoples truck in front of the police commanders house they were guarding ?
http://jalopnik.com/5983152/lapd-to-women-sorry-for-shooting-you-heres-a...
Drones, million dollar rewards, shoot then ask questions, machine gunning newspaper delivery ladies and any pickup in a square mile of an LAPD's house?
Pathetic display of the lengths the bloated government beast will go to protect itself while citizens are left on their own.
I declare DRONE season now OPEN in California!!
A couple more of these guys and the law will be runnin from the law.
Never let a crisis go to waste. The nose of the drone is under the tent and American approves.
Well the whole thing gives me a tented condition in any case. Quality circuses these are! Unfortunately the Panem would violate my low carb diet.
..money he is found with a drone and the body is hell-fired into a smoking pair of boots in a crater, without any further word from him or any autopsy to confirm its what actually got him.
From June 20, 2012
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/47420?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
“Here’s something to look for, a trial balloon of sorts,” stated my source. “Pick a state in the desert southwest, and consider a hideous threat to our national security. Now, wait for Obama, Napolitano and representatives of other agencies appear in a solemn news conference saying that they saved the country from a nearly successful attack on our soil by using an armed drone to strike a target on the ground before the terrorist attack could succeed. And the majority of Americans will applaud with pride. It will all be staged, although the true facts confined to only the highest levels of government.”
i am shorting liberty, individual rights, the constitution, freedom, truth, limited government, and the republic.
i am long gold, silver, ammo, and drones.
I'm beginning to wish that my one uncle, a survivor of the Battle of the Bulge, had brought back a German 88mm anti-aircraft gun instead of s dinky little Luger.
How long before personal "Star Wars" anti-missile lasers reach the public? Can we look forward to getting them on eBay? Or should I write a letter to the Iranian government asking how to hack a Predator?
<------ Chris Doner is a hero.
<------ Chris Doner is a terrorist.
...a world without feelings, without knowledge, without hope.... Books are burned because some people are offended by their lack of political correctness....hunted down by helicopters and a robotic Mechanical Hound, with the chases televised live. People sit in their homes and are mesmerized by TV screens showing trivia or worse, and the novel ends with a nuclear holocaust.
Name that famous "fictional" dystopian novel....
farenheit 451
If true- well played, .gov. well played.
What if you had a couple million of these guys?
If you read this guy's manifesto, you will see that this is something like the real life eqivalant of the movie "Falling Down".
Is the reward money subject to tax?
Of course.
And late fees & penalties too if you don't comply...unless of course if you're Little Timmy Geithner where they'll be waived.
"Running Man"...
This is bringing out the police's true colors;
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_22548130/lapd-looking-dorner-accused-stree...
But don't worry they won't fire on Americans?!
LOL They already have been and continue to do so.
hujel
Some quotes from the Christopher Dorner Manifesto ... citing the hopeless corruption of the US courts and judiciary and police:
« ... I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort.
Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death.
Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.
It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence.
Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. ... Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives?
How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, "Based on my experience and training ..." »
http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/...
A hero? Please.
He's not a terrorist either (whatever that non-definable label actually means).
The press and police say he killed an innocent young woman and her fiance because of a wrong the girl's parent did to him. Maybe he did. How about instead of a hero or a 'terrorist' if we treat him like a suspect in a murder case? Maybe we could even give him the fair trial he seems to have missed before.
Dorner missed nothing...including his targets. He is a white-hating, Jew-programed Congoid doing what he was set up to do. And being lionized by the Jew MSM as a "victim of society", also as per usual. I am surprised, however, to see ZH'rs falling for the scam. A rather more important situation: Darrel Steinberg and the rest of the Sacramento shabbatz goy pols are about to declare Cal illegal "any weapon with a detachable magazine". That will put several hundred thousand California men, and not a few women, Down by Law. Come and get us, Jew Steinberg. And we won't be "running for the border".
We will never see if he is a hero. Truth is in short supply. But I read his "manifesto". Articulate, for the most part. Personal opinion is that people rarely take these actions if they don't truly believe they have been wronged. Desperate, for sure. But revenge, if justified, has no boundaries. Like in war. Innocent people have to go down to send a message. (Hiroshima maybe?). Hope he's not crazy. Cause it would be a great time to let the powers that be start thinking about consequences.
I don’t see him as a hero but he may be a bellwether for armed and oppressed people in California (and elsewhere) regarding how it is possible to turn your weapons on the state and theirs and to twist their chains if they piss you off enough and you feel you have nothing else to lose.
Neither do I. Yet. Is he just crazy? Could be. But I don't think so. Wrong maybe, but not crazy. The man knows he is in the last days of his life. He could surrender with hands up, and the media would report he was killed in a shoot out with law enforcement. Whenever I see the chief of LA pd on the news begging for info, offering a $1M reward, sweating, labeling him as a domestic terrorist, and promising a REVIEW OF HIS CASE AT THE SAME TIME, I know he's as good as gone. My guess is he is dangerous. To the establishment. He is not dangerous to the general public. Only to the people he perceives to have wronged him. That's probably ten people. And, apparently, to their relatives. Government officials should take note. It's not a game you can always control. Things can, and do, get out of hand. Like say, when you control every aspect of the way they live? Through taxes? Or mandates? Like obamacare? Only pont is, bound to be individuals that don't agree. And some might consider it to be an affront to their ability to survive. Not good, things can get ugly quickly.
"The press and the police say" is your first mistake.
My phrasing was intentional. The police and the press say he did it. I personally don't know.
The press reports what the police say. The police have their own reasons for saying what they say. In this case, I don't think telling the truth about Dorner is going to be high on their list. But three people are reported dead and Dorner's 'manifesto' says he was going to do exactly this.
Is Dorner's manifesto even real? How far down the rabbit hole do we go?
He loves Hollywood, TV, celebs, O, gun control, Piers Morgan, sadistic Tarantino films, hates whitey though he is veiled about it.
He is just another CA LA PD govt unionized thug and fat one at that. They made fun of him because he was a fat tub who could barely run 50 yards. Dorner is pissed because the black AA race card don't work like it used to in CA. He is below hsipanics and asians in playing the race/racism card. Maybe he pointed out some other scum thug beating up some guy but LA PD/CA/Hollywood/USA is all a rotten festering apple of corruption now.
He is just pissed that he got kicked off the govt unionized worker gravy train. He is for gun control and would gladly show up at your house with the govt to disarm you. He, LA PD and California deserve each other and created each other.
Or maybe his manifesto is his own psy-op, so the media cannot demonize freedom fighters.
I see what you did there, man.....
....this looks a bit too much like the start of operation mayhem, this Dorner guy was in MY fight club. Tyler, is mayhem a go?
Chris Doner isn't a hero or a terrorist. He's not a rebel, revolutionary, freedom fighter or patriot. He's an ex-cop with a grudge and a penchant for violence. Surprise.
He purportedly supports status quo for everything other than the LAPD.
BFD. This is probably a psyop to begin with.
Agreed for the most part.
I have to say, the quality of cop psyche tests before hiring certainly has dropped off ;-)
Psych tests are one of the easiest parts of the system to game. Learned how to do that 25 years ago in the military. Tell 'em what they want to hear.
"Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill? I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL."You're our boy.
Hey Jake, you're the only guy here to get the Alice's restaurant resference, aren't you... (sigh)
Chill out Alice.
Lets all go back to the restaurant to get some more tea OK.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzFJxX8yoY
"Psych tests are one of the easiest parts of the system to game."
Yeah, but you're not crazy jwoop...lol.
Its much harder for a crazy person to act sane, than a sane person to act crazy ;-)
> Its much harder for a crazy person to act sane, than a sane person to act crazy ;-)
Yeah... not so much. Look at all the criminally insane who not only have good paying jobs - but who make and enforce 'the rules' on the rest of us. Supposed 'Leaders'. These people are batshit nuts - crazier than shithouse rats (did you see W's self-portrait of his toes in the bath?) - but decade after decade, the bulk of the ignorant masses give validity to this nonsense.
Most criminals are not crazy, just lazy.
Now there is a good case to be made for once in positions of absolute power they become crazy...lol.
I wasn't addressing criminals. I was addressing crazy people who act sane in order to be criminal... with absolute power over the rest of us, no less. That their insanity leads them to be criminals does not discount their insanity nor their ability to dupe the bulk of the population.
Well, it could be that the bulk of people are stupid who look up to, elect or otherwise promote people who are only slightly less stupid than them.
It still wouldn't make them insane. You and I may look at it as insanity but they're really just stupid.
I mean really, we have a congresscritter who thinks there is a possibility of Guam tipping over, economists who think putting ink on a piece of paper has some sort of eternal value and criminals who feed off of both knowing they are stupid.
It still doesn't make any of them insane, stupid and/or criminal yes. Insane no.
He's a guy who was raised on race baiting and victimhood. Probably games the system when it suits him. He got pissed when the system turned on him. Too fucking bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51t1OsPSdBc
Thats the way I read it too...look at my excerpt from his posting.
He identifies by race, ethnicty, sex orientation...a regular poster child for the, well you know who...lol.
Donner isn't a hero. He is, very believably, a victim of a wicked system of tyranny.
However justified he must feel at being wronged, murdering children is wrong, wrong, wrong. Muredering innocents to his case is wrong.
That's not heroic.
Our desire for simple false dichotomies has played a key role in getting us all into this mess.
Let's resist the temptation.
I think a good goose gun will work around my house.
How to kill drones : http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/how-to-kill-a-drone-since-drones-can-kill-americans-americans-can-kill-drones-heres-how-2556926.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews
Anybody else think it odd that Dorner left cold weather gear and night vision goggles in that burned truck? Leaving a couple of rifles might make sense because of the weight. But warm gear and the goggles...? Why not use it to escape and evade, even if he happened to have a stash nearby?
Unfortunately, that's the "winning" trade.
Unfortunately, that's a wicked reality.
That strategy is called picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Just be prepared to cover your shorts in a hurry, we ain't going nowhere.
I remember reading that when it was published.
No coincidence.
This is the set-up the informer was speaking of, or 1 of several.
This is just so fucking clever, I hope the guy sells a million:
"I'M NOT CHRISTOPHER DORNER" bumper sticker!
http://www.cafepress.com/mf/76350146/im-not-christopher-dorner_bumper-st...
Car mounted licenses plate scanners cannot read bumper stickers. Apparently they cannot read license plates either.
Here is his manifesto unredacted:
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/uncensored-ex-lapd-officer-ch...
You guys ought to read it. He doesn't sound nuts to me.
He doesn't?
"Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB."
Correct.
He's an ex-cop that thinks its just fine for him to have a Bushmaster at home but not those who paid his salary & benefits. He also thinks of himself as arresting cop, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner.
"I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.
Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1's) and novice P-2's. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.
Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I'm not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.
Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.
Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, " I......don't like conflict". You are a high value target as well.
Those of you who "go along to get along" have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.
Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can't wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, "that's the paramedics job...not mine". Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.
He has an uncontrollable temper too. Jumping accross the back seat in a van then choking one of your fellow officers because he used the N word isn't the way to handle the situation. After that sort of thing happens people won't give you the same credibility whether your right or wrong.
If I catch this guy in California, do I pay 67% tax on the 1 million? Or could I just drive him to Texas police and pay no State tax? Eh...maybe I'll just enjoy the show.
Too bad his list of "High value targets" doesn't involve a few bankster types
If I catch this guy in California, do I pay 67% tax on the 1 million? Or could I just drive him to Texas police and pay no State tax? Eh...maybe I'll just enjoy the show.
Too bad his list of "High value targets" doesn't involve a few bankster types
He does not like whites, does not like law abiding citizens to own guns, he does like Democrat politicians who want to take people's rights away. He loves Hollywood, celebs, racist and sadistic movies. If he had been white and wrote this stuff or killed anyone of color - it would be 24x7 evile white guy. Instead the lefty media turns him into a hero.
The one thing that is enjoyable is watching a bumbling fat guy who probably would not have passed a fitness test at most PDs - throw a corrupt city and state into a frenzy. LA PD is in a tizzy over this. These incompetent unionized govt workers will do what they did during the LA riots when the SHTF - run and hide.
He does not like whites
I didn't get that from reading his manifesto. Clinton was his favorite president. G. H. W. Bush was his second favorite. He listed numerous other celebrities that are white as well that he likes. He doesn't like whites who are racist and say "nigger".
I think as far as his democratic leanings, including gun control, he's probably as confused as most of us were/are, with the US's one party system that poses as two parties.
As an aside, did anyone notice that he likes Anonymous and their work?
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Did you read to the end? He was praising Feinstein.
...and Obama and Biden....Poor bastard doesn't realize how deep the rabbit hole goes...
He is all about federal statism, but when they show him how statism goes up-close in the LAPD he gets upset and starts killing. This detail in and of itself makes it look like this is some kind of psyop.
The Left has embraced him as some sort of hero and champion of their caustic cause. That should tell you something right there. If this fucker was doing the same things after going on a Ron Paul, anti FED, got gold rant he'd be a fucking Domestic Terrorist. The double standard in this country is unbelievable bullshit............
> Here is his manifesto unredacted:
That's not 'unredacted'. That's pure psyop propaganda. I'm sure your spreading it is most appreciated.
At $6.99 a copy he just may make a million...
I was laughing then I thought, hmm, 'cheap insurance'....
It's probably Dorner selling them.
I was going to put a sign in the back window of my truck that reads:
"I'm not the guy - DON'T SHOOT"
Patent that and put it on a bumper sticker. It will sell.
No autopsy but a blemish-free passport found near the remains of his smouldering car, is in the cards.
Hellfire missle strike, film at 11pm
what if he's already dead and gone?
Manufacturing consent.
The Negotiator and Drasius Kedys in one.
When will the 7th Cavalry arrive? They won't, they were all used as horsemeat
Yep... this is an attempt at legitimization of drones and to get the sheeple used to them.
"What's that up in the sky?"
"Oh that... it's just another drone. Let's go in and watch Dancing With the Stars."
What about Droning with the Stars, or Dancing with the Drones?
I heard that napalm makes you dance & scream at the same time.
Drones throwing napalm cannisters on fugitives. Could be good TV.
dromidary or bactrain drones
one hump or two
Running from the law, over the law, around the law.
The cops will do to the law what a squirrel can do to a hollow log.
Prepositions, preposterisitions, courtesy of the L-A-P-D.
<--Dorner told the truth
<--Dorner lied, Officer Teresa Evans didn't kick the handcuffed mentally ill guy in the face
(just the single issue that cost Dorner his badge)
Typical.
Binney & Drake whistleblow on illegal NSA domestic spying and the FBI goes after them, guns drawn in Binney's case.
Kirikou whistleblows CIA torture and he's off to prison while the turd Rodriquez who ran the program and destroyed the tape evidence runs around on a book tour.
Bizarro world musical accompaniment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkBnrC8041c
Dorner thought he could get a piece of ass from Officer Teresa Evans(even if she's butt ugly), Officer teresa Evans told him to fuck off. Dorners feelings hurt.
Just another possible scenario.
<< A couple more of these guys and the law will be runnin from the law. >>
negative rates, I wonder what all the Iraq war veterans think who are watching this drama unfold?
better keep the paper bag over your head
http://www.wimp.com/nextsurveillance/
The story of the other pick up truck that was shot--
David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.
Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.
According to the police department, Perdue's car was headed directly for one of their patrol vehicles and appeared not to be yielding. When the vehicles collided, Perdue's air bag went off, blocking the view of the driver, and one officer fired three rounds.
The Torrance police chief apologized to Perdue and offered him a rental car and payment for his medical expenses, the statement said.
A maximum of one new vehicle will be issued per 'tragic misinterpretation.' Unfortunately the Hernandezes got it first. Better luck next time, Perdue. Have fun in yer rental car.
Here's the link to the above story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-shooting-20130210,0,395...
Fuck that, I want 3 free shots at the asshole that shot at me.
"Fuck that, I want 3 free shots at the asshole that shot at me."
You need that many?
Those next two are for catharsis.
The Torrance cops are rejects from the LA cops. My cousin married a Torrance cop and he's now on admin leave for shooting the neighbor's dog while drunk. He'll probably get off because the dog could have been a terrorist.
Torrance cops are (mostly) Fuckheads.
They won't even yield to the Highway Patrol on freeway pursuits.
Thre real story here is that multiple cops shot at rather large targets with high capacity weapons and missed. wtf, over?!? If a cop shoots at a target should he/she know what they are shooting at? And knowing what they are shooting at, they should hit it. Do these idiots get any range time at all?
We're all Chris Dorners now.
Fuck the State and its henchmen.
You are not Chris Dorner. He is risking his life for his beliefs, you... not so much.
p.s. I don't claim to be "a Chris Dorner"
Just try bucking the system then. Try instituting a currency that complies with the constitutional requriements of money and see how long you last. Why, even a pesident of such unequaled national reverential status as JFK wouldn't last long if he even tried such a reckless proposal in his tenure.
Oh, wait a minute.........
JFK a Chris Dorner, albeit on a different scale????????
Angelenos can be Chris Dorners by going camping in his bug-out area. Fuck the State and its thermal-imaging drones. Disclaimer: Increased risk being shot by LAPD.
Yeah - go camping in Big Bear. Tell us how it goes in your tent in the snow with overnight temps below freezing.
Dorner is not up in the woods in Big Bear. He is too fat and out of shape to be roughing it.
"We're all Chris Dorners now."
Well, one thing is for sure. Every one on the ground is now part of the scanning overflying data gathering beast that is snooping on every human looking thing on the ground maybe for who knows, hundreds of miles around? Watch the movie called "Rise of the Drones" posted on this thread and ask, where are you at and what are you doing that is not already being monitored from above by infrared cameras, and see thru the walls heat sensing drone technology being tested and deployed in California?
Is it all well planed desensitizing to further get ready for the devaluation bankster holiday extravaganza event?
Spend it while you can folks!
MILLION DOLLAR DRONES! MILLION DOLLAR REWARDS! MILLION DOLLAR OVERTIME PAY! ALL coming from a bankrupt fucking state of affairs in California! Whatever happenned to blood hounds and the old fashioned way to track someone. And to think we got a brotha hiding out in the frozen woods around Big Bear Lake!? Give me a fucking break will ya. Prelude/Practice for the upcoming War on the Sheeple herds me thinks...........
The media will try hard to underreport and bury the TWO cases of LAPD opening fire on innocent people who happened to be driving a pickup a bit like this guys. In one case two women delivering newspapers from such a truck. In the other case a much smaller white guy driving a truck like LAPD's rogue Rambo.
Delivering the newspapers could be considered a terrorist action if the papers actually told the truth. This was probably simply a warning to the MSM to continue the pro-government propaganda.
It's time for all those wronged by the LAPD to vindicate their trials and seek their just revenge.
Everything will be blamed on Dorner and when he gets blowed-up your case will be closed.
Now is your chance for consequencless revenge.
with police, law enforcement, like this who needs terrorists?
i don't think california ever got over the
zodiac killer's evil mojo. what a mess.
the police shooting nearly random people and
vehicles in a blatant attempt to murder the
"apparition" of one of their own. charlie sheen
needs to make another video for the rest of the
lapd.
That sounds like a trick question to me blindman, "with police, law enforcement, like this who needs terrorists?"
All of the major so-called "terrorist" events in the past that I have looked at more closely ended up looking like inside job, false flag attacks. Hundreds of other so-called "terrorist" events looked like staged entrapments. Therefore, my conclusion is that there is no reasonable doubt that the biggest "terrorists" ARE governments, or the people who covertly control governments. Meanwhile, of course, the majority of people are being brainwashed to believe in the bogymen the authorities want them to fear.
As far as I can tell, from the CIA covert operations, on down, the covert criminals controlling governments have been creating "terrorists" by terrorizing people. Torture has been deliberately used to radicalize, and recreate itself in its own image. To me, there appears to have been a prolonged deliberate campaign for the covert "terrorists" that control governments to deliberately drive conditions to create more "terrorists."
If there finally end up being some "real terrorists" that are NOT covert operation, inside job, false flag events, then those were probably primarily driven to develop in the first place by the long history of covert operation, inside job, false flag events, which were the excuses to create the conditions to drive those "real terrorists" to become who they became.
These days, I eschew ALL false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals. I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing else but different organized gangs of criminals, and the governments, and especially those who actually control those governments, are the best organized gangs of criminals, or biggest "terrorists."
Indeed, I think that the ONLY way we can understand the world is to go through that paradigm shifting process.
@"As far as I can tell, from the CIA covert operations, on down, the covert criminals controlling governments have been creating "terrorists" by terrorizing people. Torture has been deliberately used to radicalize, and recreate itself in its own image. To me, there appears to have been a prolonged deliberate campaign for the covert "terrorists" that control governments to deliberately drive conditions to create more "terrorists.""
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agreed. creating terrorist out of the pool of suspects,
everyone outside of the inner loop of the con, or neocon,
functions as a defense for the terror committed to accomplish
the looting. they also imply that the looting is done for
the greater good so it is best if no one notice.
as there is always a national security issue, a systemic threat or
a war to increase the executive power and stifle balance of power;
or is it that the executive power is there to enable the wars?
the architects of the "new american century" , the coiners of the
recent terror paradigm and its language, admit the dark dynamic.
"On September 16, 2001, Vice President Cheney appeared on NBC's Meet the Press and talked about what it will take to deal with the terrorism threat: "…We have to work the dark side, if you will. Spend time in the shadows of the intelligence world," Cheney said. "A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion …" Here, intelligence officials and others offer their thoughts on Cheney's use of that phrase, as well as the impact of 9/11 on the vice president. "
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/themes/darkside.html#top
Interesting in the irony that the black administration that authorized use of drones has as it first case a black fugitive. But will he get healthcare?
see that and raise you... http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_22561406/redondo-beach-man-shot-at-by-police-christopher
It wasn't two cops who did that - it was SIX!
All democrats are liars.
All people are liars.
Those on the Autistic Spectrum are less likely to lie. Lying is a tool for social manipulation.
"After they were categorized, the researchers used Magnetic Resonance Imaging to explore structural brain differences between the groups. The liars had significantly more "white matter" and slightly less "gray matter" than those they were measured against, Raine said.
Specifically, liars had a 25.7 percent increase in prefrontal white matter compared to the antisocial controls and a 22 percent increase compared to the normal controls. Liars had a 14.2 percent decrease in prefrontal gray matter compared to normal controls.
More white matter – the wiring in the brain – may provide liars with the tools necessary to master the complex art of deceit, Raine said.
"Lying takes a lot of effort," he said.
"It's almost mind reading. You have to be able to understand the mindset of the other person. You also have to suppress your emotions or regulate them because you don't want to appear nervous. There's quite a lot to do there. You've got to suppress the truth.
"Our argument is that the more networking there is in the prefrontal cortex, the more the person has an upper hand in lying. Their verbal skills are higher. They've almost got a natural advantage."
But in normal people, it's the gray matter – or the brain cells connected by the white matter – that helps keep the impulse to lie in check.
Pathological liars have a surplus of white matter, the study found, and a deficit of gray matter. That means they have more tools to lie coupled with fewer moral restraints than normal people, Raine said.
"They've got the equipment to lie, and they don't have the disinhibition that the rest of us have in telling the big whoppers," he said.
"When people make moral decisions, they are relying on the prefrontal cortex. When people ask normal people to make moral decisions, we see activation in the front of the brain," he explained. "If these liars have a 14 percent reduction in gray matter, that means that they are less likely to care about moral issues or are less likely to be able to process moral issues. Having more gray matter would keep a check on these activities."
The researchers stopped short of asserting that these structural differences account for all lying."
In their journal article, the authors mention that separate studies of autistic children – who typically have trouble lying – have showed the converse pattern of gray matter/white matter ratios.
"The facts that autistic children have difficulty lying and also show reduced prefrontal white matter constitutes the opposite but complementary pattern of the results compared to adults with increased prefrontal white matter who find it easy to lie," the researchers wrote.
"Although autism is a complex condition and cannot be taken as a model for lying, these results … converge with current findings on adult liars in suggesting that the prefrontal cortex is centrally involved in the capacity to lie."
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-09/uosc-feo092805.php
"..How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and training”." chris dorner
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Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/...
Read more at http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/read-christopher-dorners-so-called-manifesto/...
That's an awful lot of science backing up my 'theory of scumbags'.
In the past, people put greater weight on keeping one's word. It was a way of measuring the quality of a man by the quality of his word.
Today's world is basically a liar's world, and like government's interference in the price mechanism, there is a fog of misinformation one must continually adjust for.
Yes, The Age of Advertising (propaganda) is the Age of Liars, by definition.
"there is a fog of misinformation one must continually adjust for." I think the misinformation has been going on for decades. Slowly and incrementally like the proverbial frog in the pot. Now they're empowered enough to just blatantly lie and they get away with it. Well not really, the internet allows people to get information from sources other than the MSM.
The government and the MSM are becoming experts at lying, and hopefully, people will become experts at lie detection.
Wait, if that was a lie...?
Have you noticed that there is no information about this guy before 4 days ago anywhere?
I have been searching all morning and haven't seen any reports about his initial suspension or anything. Nothing, anywhere.
The suspension happened years ago.
The domestic drone-acceptance psyops team doesn't get enough funding to create a credible backstory for every single plan. Give them a break - they're doing their best.
How does anyone know this guy did it. I think it could be a PsyOp and this guy is in a grave or icebox somewhere.
It may well be a PsyOp - I hope TPTB are taking notes. I'm a conservative and I dont care if the guy likes Obama and Feinstines's AWB. It just proves he's a nut job.
What I like is how this one man (even if its a PsyOp) causes the police (.Gov enforcers) to shit their pants and go apeshit !
If .Gov keeps on the path of 'LAWLESSNESS' - there will be more like this. If .Gov tries to thwart the 2nd amendment - there will be more like this.
America is not like fighting in one of the 'stans in the mideast. There is no green zone to retreat to.
Enforcers have families and homes. If they continue breaking the law, more of this shit will take place.
How about a 100 like Dorner, How about a 1000 like Dorner - What about a million pissed off gun owners who know where the .Gov enforcers and their families live !!
I hope TPTB are taking notes.
Escape From L.A. P.D.
I suspect that he's taken his own life. His body will turn up when the snow melts.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/stp/3607482957.html
awesome. too bad that person is now gonna get droned.
Drones for four hundred dollars, Alex.
Chris Dorner
Who was the first American to get droned?
Correct
Incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Aulaqi
in America.
Everybody must get droned.
+1 Rainy Day Women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQzCGdO9yJI
Well, they'll drone ya when you're trying to be so good
They'll drone ya just a-like they said they would
They'll drone ya when you're tryin' to go home
Then they'll drone ya when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get droned.
^^^ FAKE ^^^
I hope the fucking government is paying close attention to the overwhelming sympathy this guy is getting from the general public!! It shows you that people understand the police are the military wing of the local and state governments, and people overwhelmingly believe their governments are corrupt, lying, thieving, bastards at this point!
At some point, it becomes very clear that those nice, pressed blue uniforms are NOT any different then those red coats, in 1776!! The moment of reckoning is creeping closer!! Soon we all will have to choose, who's side we are on? You can't be neutral on a moving train!
<<I hope the fucking government is paying close attention to the overwhelming sympathy this guy is getting from the general public!! >>
Kinda hope they aren't actually. Back when they cared about that shit, I was one of millions fooled into thinking the criminal government and its filth were on MY side. 'Softly softly' has been abandoned for whatever reason and I'm sort of glad of it.
The way they are acting is helping more of us to wake up, a lot faster.
I refuse to use the language of legitimacy for those terrists. Agree with you 100% that each of us better know which fucking side we're on.
Everyone's worst enemy is their own government.
Unless you are part of it.
They already know, hence the purchase of hundreds of millions of DHS dum dum rounds.
Let's not forget the 175 Million round option for .223 ordered last Feb/March.
These assholes saw this coming long ago.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=140e263e1c...
I also hope the people who think the police and the military will refuse to use force against Americans when ordered to do so are also paying attention.
The LAPD are an example of how we can expect to be treated - when the police panic, they aren't real careful about where and who they are shooting.
They don't care, and increasingly they live in an insulated reality bubble.
They'll keep pushing this until there's some massive (and probably unstoppable) backlash that turns into the US version of the Arab Spring.
Granted, it'll probably take a drone strike on a schoolbus of special ed kids to make it happen, but it seems likely that if they stay on this path, it's a race between backlash and financial collapse. One will probably used as a cover for the other.
I've been thinking it will be a race between authoritarian crackdown (and the response) and financial collapse and that each will feed into the other. But it is the nature of a statist to want control and once the ball gets rolling, I don't think they will be able to control either. If the statists are true to their nature, their actions will be like pouring gasoline on a fire.
Lots of comments in the LATimes seem to be sympathetic to Dorner.
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Let's hope those drones aren't armed. At the rate the LAPD has been shooting up innocent citizens who look nothing like Dorner (women and white males), taking pot shots from drones would add greatly to the "collateral" carnage.