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Guest Post: America Loves Drone Strikes

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

This graph shows everything we need to know about the geopolitical reality of Predator Drones (coming soon to the skies of America to hunt down fugitives?).

The American public loves drone strikes:

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The American public does not approve of the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. But for everyone else, it’s open season.

But everyone else — most particularly and significantly, the countries in the Muslim world — largely hates and resents drone strikes.

And it is the Muslim world that produces the radicalised extremists who commit acts like 9/11, 7/7, the Madrid bombings, and the Bali bombings.  With this outpouring of contempt for America’s drone strikes, many analysts are coming to believe that Obama’s drone policy is now effectively a recruitment tool for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and similar groups:

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Indeed, evidence is beginning to coalesce to suggest exactly this. PressTV recently noted:

The expanding drone war in Yemen, which often kills civilians, does in fact cause blowback and help al-Qaeda recruitment – as attested to by numerous Yemen experts, investigative reporting on the ground, polling, testimony from Yemen activists, and the actual fact that recent bungled terrorist attacks aimed at the U.S. have cited such drone attacks as motivating factors.

 

After another September drone strike that killed 13 civilians, a local Yemeni activist told CNN, “I would not be surprised if a hundred tribesmen joined the lines of al-Qaeda as a result of the latest drone mistake. This part of Yemen takes revenge very seriously.”

 

“Our entire village is angry at the government and the Americans,” a Yemeni villager named Mohammed told the Post. “If the Americans are responsible, I would have no choice but to sympathize with al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda is fighting America.”

 

Many in the U.S. intelligence community also believe the drone war is contributing to the al-Qaeda presence in Yemen. Robert Grenier, who headed the CIA’s counter-terrorism center and was previously a CIA station chief in Pakistan, told The Guardian in June that he is “very concerned about the creation of a larger terrorist safe haven in Yemen.”

 

“We have gone a long way down the road of creating a situation where we are creating more enemies than we are removing from the battlefield,” he said regarding drones in Yemen.

Iona Craig reports that civilian casualties from drone strikes “have emboldened al-Qaeda” and cites the reaction to the 2009 U.S. cruise missile attack on the village of al-Majala in Yemen that killed more than 40 civilians (including 21 children):

That one bombing radicalized the entire area,” Abdul Gh ani al-Iryani, a Yemeni political analyst, said. “All the men and boys from those families and tribes will have joined [al-Qaeda] to fight.

And al-Qaeda’s presence and support in Yemen has grown, not shrunk since the start of the targeted killing program:

Meanwhile Yemen Central Security Force commander Brig. Gen. Yahya Saleh, nephew of ousted president Ali Abdullah Saleh, told Abdul-Ahad that al-Qaeda has more followers, money, guns and territory then they did a year and a half ago.

 

All at a time when Yemen is facing a “catastrophic” food crisis, with at least 267,000 children facing life-threatening levels of malnutrition. Hunger has doubled since 2009, and the number of displaced civilians is about 500,000 and rising.

 

As U.S. drones drop bombs on south Yemen villages and AQAP provides displaced civilians with “free electricity, food and water,” tribes in the area are becoming increasingly sympathetic to AQAP.

Let’s be intellectually honest. If a country engages in a military program that carries out strikes that kill hundreds of civilians - many of whom having no connection whatever with terrorism or radicalism - that country is going to become increasingly hated. People in the countries targeted - those who may have lost friends, or family members - are going to plot revenge, and take revenge. That’s just how war works. It infuriates. It radicalises. It instils hatred.

The reality of Obama’s drone program is to create new generations of America-hating radicalised individuals, who may well go on to be the next Osama bin Laden, the next Ayman al-Zawahiri, the next Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The reality for Obama’s drone program is that it is sowing the seeds for the next 9/11 - just as American intervention in the middle east sowed the seeds for the last, as Osama bin Laden readily admitted.

 

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Wed, 02/13/2013 - 04:44 | 3239714 fajensen
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But ..... - It is against Gods Intentions / Natural Law if common people can afford toilet seats! Obama is working together with a diverse team of the best expert advisors to fix that problem!!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 00:50 | 3235801 Lordflin
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Well... I don't know if 9/11 was a false flag or not... You can get just about any facts you want from the Internet... I once tried to figure out why Russia invaded Georgia... Few years back... Came away with about six discret theories, all backed with plenty of documentation from what appeared to be credible sources... Many of the theories were mutually exclusive.

But I do believe that the only real terrorists are the ones along the Potomac... I too had the notion, once upon a time, that we were the good guys... Now I don't really know what to make out of any of it... And I have really tried... However blowing folks up in the Middle East can't possibly be of benifit to us...

I have lost a son... There is no calm rational reponse.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:57 | 3236138 smacker
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I'm not a strong believer in conspiracy theories (nor of the cock-up theories that pervade British politics) and I often dismissed the 9/11 conspiracy theories as exactly that.

But in recent years - seeing the growing number of horrendous anti-liberty quasi-police-state laws being introduced in America by the ruling elites -  I have become more open-minded to the possibility that it was something that was known about beforehand and could have been prevented, and that it was allowed to go ahead for the reasons we now see.

Two things about 9/11 which have always puzzled me: Building 7 collapse and the Pentagon strike where I saw no evidence in the photos of a large plane having gone into it; it looks much more like a missile strike.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:15 | 3236157 bunnyswanson
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Dumb as a box of fucking rocks.

If there were people in position to film the fucking event, then it was staged.  If the people who staged it had warned anyone, the fucking attack would have been thwarted. Since they did not, the obvious explanation is because they wanted the "attack" to occur so backed the fucked up and watched it from their goddam limosine you naieve useless pieces of shit who are standing around talking about it while your country falls into facism.

Larry Silverstein did not show up for work...no breakfast for this man, breaking a routine that was fucking curved into stone.  His daughter?  Absen t as well!!! how luck is this family now tremendously more wealthy.

 

DID YOU SEE THE PHOTO CAPTURED A WOMAN FULLY ALERT 1/2 MILE HIGH, SURROUNDED BY FLAMES, HOLDING ONTO THE SIDE OF WHAT WAS HER OFFICE BUILDING.

You assholes talk about this like it was an surgical procedure gone wrong and not an attack on the whole goddam world.

 

http://www.facebook.com/TheUndergroundWorldNews

"I live in the exact location they found his truck (grain of salt). I walked the 2.5 miles they were supposedly searching on the 2N10. There was not a single footprint in the virgin snow the entire way. Not one. What massive manhunt are they talking about? There was police activity but it seems more like a training drill to me, and I've been involved in some as a journalist to the LA Sheriffs. They are exaggerating their efforts on the news."

How much trouble to think men will go to to get what they have been working toward for a goddam century if not more?  Use you imaginations you stupid useless slugs.  Your family is going to pay the price for your naivete and downright fickleness.

Fool.  FOOL.  Get out of the way if you can't help.  Facism is no life worth living.  This is not going to get better.  Teh economy is the way it is because if was fucking planned to unfold motherfuckers.  jesusfuckingchrfist what is wrong with you people? 

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 00:53 | 3235814 Intelligence_In...
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Whatever it takes to take out Al-Qaeda.  The number 1 threat to the world.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:51 | 3235914 Bear
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... Second only to the FED

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:06 | 3235981 OldTrooper
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Clearly a newly recruited troll.  Hopefully he'll improve a bit and give us some sport.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:13 | 3236152 Dr. Sandi
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I don't know that they're number 1. I think the people who are funding Al-Queada are a bigger threat: The CIA.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:01 | 3235829 holdbuysell
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In other news and a different form of surveillance:

Tesla isn’t taking criticism lying down, will publish reviewer’s driving log

http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/11/tesla-times-review-dispute/

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:03 | 3235839 Lord Of Finance
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I love the sound of drone strikes in the morning.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:14 | 3235859 ziggy59
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Drone, American Style

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:24 | 3235861 “Rebellion to t...
“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God.”-ThomasJefferson's picture

 

 

The dip shit Obama worshippers put their undying loyalty and trust in their Oreo; just as the morons believed Cheney, W, and Rumsfeld actually had good intentions in lighting the middle east on fire.

Just wait until another Bush retard reclaims his Oval office in 4 more years.  

The simple minded libtards will soon awaken to the fact they handed over their freedom to the executive branch-oligarch-crony capitalist brand of tyranny.

Remind them to go fuck themselves; that is if you haven't already been incinerated by one of Barry's judgement day sleep machines.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:50 | 3235911 Bear
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Hillary 65% favorable rating ... most 'loved' American woman. A kinder, gentler administration coming in 2016. Just in time for China to invade flex her muscles, if our debt doesn't bury us first.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:33 | 3235961 Lord Of Finance
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It is quite mindboggling as to why this evil, politicaly calculating bitch is so admired.

 

  Next time one of your dimwitted demoncrat friends or family members starts boasting the praises of St Hillory, ask them these question:

 

  1) Ask them if they were in favor of the Iraq war.

           (of course the answer will be no, and then will

            rail on and on about how evil Chaney and Busch are)

 

2) Remind the dumb assholes that Hillory voted for the evil Chaney/Busch war.

 

3) Then ask them why Hillory voted for the war.

 

4) They will say, "she just went over the intelligence everyone else had",  Then remind the dipshits that Barry O got the same intelligence and voted no. Remind the dipshits that in the final intelligence report before the senate vote, that in the latter pages of the report there was very credible conflicting opoosition to the evidence of WMD's.  I read it and so did Barry. But most either did not read it or they did read it and ignored it because the polls showed that the American people were in favor of the war. Tell the dumbfucks that first Hillory later said she did not read it, because it was too long and they had to vote asap. Tell the dipshits, that all the senators were made aware of the conflicting report because the conflicting report was being argued on the senate floor for hours on the senate floor before the vote. Tell the assholes that Hillory WAS made aware by Kusinich and other doves about the report! 

5) ~ow ask the dipshits which is more evil? Is it more evil to truelly be a fool and believe that Iraq had WMD's,as Cheney/Busch did,or is it more evil to COMPLETELY IGNORE the warnings of her democratic colleagues about the conflicting report. Now your Hillory loving friends are real infantile dimwits so you will have to be very specific! Tell them that Hillory still claims she never read that part of the report, and I believe her! The evil calculating bitch did not have to read the contrary evidence, because all she had to do as an evil calculating politician was to read the polls! In other words; if the polls were reversed and the American people were shown to be 75% opposed to war,rather than 75% in favor. Ask them. Would hillory have "read" the report

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:49 | 3235970 Renfield
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Then there's that little more recent matter of the Embassy in Libya, and a bit of a cock-up that occurred there not so long ago.

I read recently that her approval levels were pretty high and the word used for her record was "sterling" IIRC. At the time I wondered how much higher her approval levels would be if even more people had died, even more violently.

It's mind-boggling what people will accept of their "leaders" if they simply hang in there for long enough.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:07 | 3239733 fajensen
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The "admiration" simply comes from us being told that Hillary is "admired". It is implanted, like false memories. Once we believe that other people believe something, we tend to align ourselves with the "majority", even when our own experience are different. You can photoshop pictures of Bugs Bunny onto your pictures from Disneyland and the odds are that your friends in the pictures will vividly remember how fun it was to meet "bugsey" and some of them will even add more details to the story - wery few people wants to be the sad loser who blurts out the Bugs Bunny is not a Disney character, so that fact simply gets erased - the most hardnosed will just say that they don't remember ;-)

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:26 | 3235872 Troy Ounce
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America will disappear in an orgy of violence.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:08 | 3235936 honestann
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As long as the predators die, the result is net positive.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:45 | 3235907 Bear
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I didn't see Yemen on the list?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 01:58 | 3235922 q99x2
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I heard somewhere between George Bush and Obama they've killed over 450,000 children. Nobody is really sure why. But my understanding is that the banksters mercinaries that guide the drones will have a much easier conscious attitude for killing American children than if infantry had to attack them by hand.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:11 | 3235988 OldTrooper
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Don't worry, I hear all those kids' deaths were worth it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:07 | 3235932 honestann
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Drone stikes infuriate. Drone strikes radicalise. Drone strikes instil hatred.

That's precisely what the predators-that-be want.  The more people who reach the end of their rope and stike out, the more false justification the predators-that-be have to turn everywhere on earth into a police state.

The predators actions are completely transparent to any human with half a brain and a shred of honesty.  Which describes about 0.001% of humanity.  99.999% or more of the humans who dislike drone strikes still back the notion of predators-DBA-government.  Until that ends (which it won't), humans will be endlessly abused slaves.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:49 | 3236099 andrewp111
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You are not thinking big enough. We want the people of Sunni Islam to unite under a single Caliph after Iran is destroyed by Israel. The Caliphate will muster the prophesized army of 200 million and  try to conquer as much of the world as they can, culminating in the Battle Of Armageddon, which takes place in Israel at Megiddo. This will be Islam's last stand, and we will eradicate the people of Islam forever. Then, our World Government will take power, and rule for 1000 years.

Btw, drones are in prophesy also. "....locusts that hurt only men...."

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:04 | 3236142 falak pema
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lol, now thats big thinking, you could be Cecile B Demille and this could be your 'Bible' event like the ten commandments! 

Dream on, would-be Hollywood king. Even Nostradamus got a few things right! 

And,... why limit it just to a 1000 years?

Btw : I don't know if you've noticed but Islam as world force has been dead for over four centuries at least; until the Saud oil bubble made the US-Saud link vital to West. So why not just pull the plug under Saud, it'll save the west a war! 

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:14 | 3236156 Dr. Sandi
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Nature and old age are going to pull the Saudi plug pretty soon anyway.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:09 | 3235939 Totentänzerlied
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One purpose of propaganda is to distract its audience from more basic questions. However, there's little evidence the public would ever ask such questions regardless.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:10 | 3235941 cherry picker
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The USA has lost its moral compass and a moral GPS does not exist.

The USA are no longer the "good guys" or "saviors" as they were percieved after WW2. 

What happened?  Who knows, but if 62% approve of drone strikes knowing innocents will be murdered in the false belief they will be safer, it is insanity on a massive scale.

The good guys eventually win in the end.  Who the good guys are, we don't know yet, I do know they will not murder innocents.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:20 | 3235947 Renfield
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<<The USA are no longer the "good guys" or "saviors" as they were percieved after WW2>>

Who was it said, "We become what we hate"? Jesus? Confucius? Pooh?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:35 | 3236063 AnAnonymous
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The good guys eventually win in the end. Who the good guys are, we don't know yet, I do know they will not murder innocents.
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That's an 'american' promoted propaganda belief.

Newsflash: 'americans' have not changed since 1776, July, 4th. They just do what their ancestors did.

What changed is that 'americans' came up with the idea that the recipients of the bad side of 'americanism' would always be the same, making it so that the recipients of the good sides would always be the same.

Unfortunately for 'americans', the usual targets have now reached a saturation point for endurance to 'americanism' bad sides, which means that some others have to be fed to the machine.

And for some 'americans', this fact coming to reality scares them out. They are next of the list of 'american' targeting and they wont be as enduring as the usual suspects for sure, forcing even more 'americans' to become new targets for 'americanism'...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:54 | 3236072 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Delusion of AnAnonymous demonstrated here:

Newsflash: 'americans' have not changed since 1776, July, 4th. They just do what their ancestors did.

Must be laughed at as one of the stupidest misconceptions ever.

What changed is that 'americans' came up with the idea that the recipients of the bad side of 'americanism' would always be the same, making it so that the recipients of the good sides would always be the same.

Sounds like something ... something you read in your Silver Fang comic book.

A little bird tells me that you got turned down for American green card. Explains bitter resentment of Chinese citizenism propagandist.

But hey, you can always go wok your dog...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:24 | 3236082 Setarcos
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to my knowledge the original 13 states have been engaged in expansionist wars ever since 1776, or soon after.

If I am wrong, then please explain how the original US expanded to 50 states without a single war, not even against native Indian nations, nor the Spanish/Mexican Empire.

I am all ears for you telling me what has really changed since the late 18th Century War of Independence and all of the 19th Century wars during which "the West was won" + remnants of the Spanish Empire such as the Philipines.

Get real.  The Washington Empire has been almost permanently at war for about 230 years, not least including the Civil War.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:16 | 3236159 Dr. Sandi
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Do what you do well. If it works, keep doing it until it doesn't.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:19 | 3236164 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Setarcos said:

Correct me if I'm wrong

Very well.

but according to my knowledge the original 13 states

Stop right there. My response was to this absurd, unsupported assertion:

'americans' have not changed since 1776, July, 4th. They just do what their ancestors did.

No matter how AnAnonymous chooses to play word games with his rather fluid definition(s) of Americans, it is laughable to label all 300 million Americans, let alone all Americans over the last 200+ years, as a monolithic entity. As a secondary matter, Americans don't all have the same ancestors. Some have ancestors who were here well before any Europeans arrived. Some have ancestors who didn't arrive until well after 1776. Some of us have ancestors from both categories.

These are things which cheap propagandists and failed academics, like our friend AnAnonymous, deliberately ignore in their broad-brushed tirades.

If I am wrong, then please explain how the original US expanded to 50 states without a single war, not even against native Indian nations, nor the Spanish/Mexican Empire.

You are wrong because you are conflating Americans, all of them, including descendants of those native Indian nations, with the US government.

I am all ears for you telling me what has really changed since the late 18th Century War of Independence and all of the 19th Century wars during which "the West was won" + remnants of the Spanish Empire such as the Philipines.

Don't forget the overthrow of the Hawaiians. Or the subjugation of latin american nations for American fruit companies. The US government has a rather checkered past, to say the least, of thuggery and hypocricy, and that certainly hasn't changed. That doesn't make all Americans cheerleaders for such behavior.

Get real.  The Washington Empire has been almost permanently at war for about 230 years, not least including the Civil War.

Get real. Learn the difference between the people of a nation and the government of a nation.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:37 | 3236186 Ralph Spoilsport
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Way to keep it real 4th. I never joined SAR even though both parents qualified. You summed up why I didn't rather nicely.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:35 | 3236092 andrewp111
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There are no "innocents" in tribal wars. Never was, never will be. In these kind of wars, everyone is a combatant whether they like it or not. Tribal wars are only won when the enemy tribes are completely eradicated.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:52 | 3236135 falak pema
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read you Illiad, your mahabharatha, your guelph-ghibelline war, your last of the mohicans...

Tribal wars always end with both protagonists dead and the third party winning. 

THats why tribes gave way to empire builders n nation states. 

Going back to tribalism is like wanting to be Dorner against the Droners! 

History only goes back to move forward, don't get caught in that false knee jerk! 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 02:58 | 3235976 q99x2
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Banksters have reached a saturation point. Time will bring the catalyst. If a bitcoin system is ready to go and accessable when the SHTF they will fall quickly because. They'll lose the control over money. They are idiots. Actually they are evil incarnate. Very similar to Nazi's.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:08 | 3235983 cherry picker
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Funny, isn't it?  Bush and Obama both claim to be "Christians"  They swear on bibles.

Don't forget, it was only a little terrorist organization which was accused of 9/11, not a country.  How many countries were invaded or are paying for an organization?

If there is such a thing, I wonder if Bush and Obama are closer to being anti-Christs. 

After all, the Man from Galilee taught the Ethic of Reciprocity, love, peace and forgiveness.  He did not promote war.  He would not authorize a drone which would kill innocents.  At least that's what I read.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:45 | 3236007 Vlad Tepid
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You must be unfamiliar with the Amrrrrkan Protestant Mega-Church of Solipsism (TM) (now available without theology!)

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:40 | 3236189 Ralph Spoilsport
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Mandatory +1 for using Solipsism in a sentence.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:09 | 3235985 nathan1234
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How about a drone targeting the banksters !

The damage done by them to the world's financial system and the world's populace is far worse than that carried out by any terrorist.

 

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:23 | 3235995 MaxThrust
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If young Muslim men are to continue the war against America, then, the radicalization of there citizens must continue especially the death of innocents civilians .

If the war on terror was to run out of terrorist the Military Industrial base of America will find it a hard sell to get the US government to pay exorbitant prices for its wares.
They may even have to layoff workers! The Drone attacks must continue, the US citizens demand it.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 03:43 | 3236005 Curiously_Crazy
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hehe nice one.

Are you by any chance the sociological arm partnering the MDB economic arm?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 04:35 | 3236026 smacker
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"With this outpouring of contempt for America’s drone strikes, many analysts are coming to believe that Obama’s drone policy is now effectively a recruitment tool for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and similar groups"

 

Quite likely. But since when in the history of empires has an empire builder ever been concerned about the opinions of their actions by those at the receiving end? Even more true when the empire is struggling to maintain its hegemony.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:26 | 3236060 AnAnonymous
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Another 'americanism' for the dummies article.

Yes, for 'americans', the group is all.

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The American public does not approve of the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. But for everyone else, it’s open season.
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It is not surprising.

Very often, you might read 'americans' advising to leave the US. But as one 'american' put it on this site, the US is the eye of the storm.

The US is the place where you are the most protected from 'americanism'

Same for dropping down US citizenship. US Americans are unequivocal about killing US citizens in the US. They are tepid at killing them abroad. And if they do not hold US citizenship, well, it totally turns into something.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:41 | 3236065 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Another 'americanism' for the dummies article.

Ah, ah, so it is being right up your alley.

Yes, for 'americans', the group is all.

Don't tell me, I think I know the lines...

And if they do not hold US citizenship, well, it totally turns into something.

Yes, if they do not hold US citizenship, well, it totally turns into the jealousy known as Chinese citizenism, and that is indeed something.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:28 | 3236061 AnAnonymous
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'Americanism' for the dummies article, stage2:

Once again, the polls show that there is no big, bad 'american' government. But that an 'american' government personal is servant to WeThe People aka the 'american' middle class.

An 'american' government does what the 'american' middle class wants their government to do.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 05:45 | 3236067 TheFourthStooge-ing
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'Americanism' for the dummies article, stage2

Sounds like something very much written for the jealous Chinese citizenism citizen.

An 'american' government does what the 'american' middle class wants their government to do.

Always made me laugh to read this kind of big delusion.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:09 | 3236107 Setarcos
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You have to be one of the dumbest Usans I have come across.

In an earlier dumb comment you ridiculed someone else for stating the fact that the US has been at war ever since 1776 - give or take a few years.

How else do you explain the expansion of the US from 15 to 50 states?

Are you totally unaware of the Indian and Spanish/Mexican wars of the 19th Century + the Civil War?

Are you totally unaware of all of the 20th Century wars, which resulted in 700+ US military bases in 150+ countries around the world?

And yes, all of this warring was and is supported, at least tacitly, by the 'middle class' and/or the general population of those who have the audacity to call themselves 'Americans', whereas ALL of you live in just a relatively small part of the American Continent, which stretches from Argentina to Canada.

Such hubris!!  All other Americans have the modesty to call themselves Argentinians, Chileans, Brazilians, Nicuargians, Mexicans, Canadians and so on.  But Usans implicilty lay claim to the whole Continent and have fought many wars, including covert wars, to wrest control.

Do you know nothing of the Iran/Contra affair?  Nothing about the invasion of Panama?  Nothing about the Cuba blockade?

You should write a book, "Americanism for Dummies", in which you rewrite history for others as dumb as you.

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:42 | 3236193 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Setarcos said:

In an earlier dumb comment you ridiculed someone else for stating the fact that the US has been at war ever since 1776 - give or take a few years.

Wrong. I ridiculed someone for making the absurd claim that all Americans, since 1776, have monolithically supported everything done by the US government.

How else do you explain the expansion of the US from 15 to 50 states?

Are you totally unaware of the Indian and Spanish/Mexican wars of the 19th Century + the Civil War?

Are you totally unaware of all of the 20th Century wars, which resulted in 700+ US military bases in 150+ countries around the world?

You really should work on your reading comprehension before getting yourself all worked up. I am aware of all of thise things and consider them shameful. I am also aware that they are red herrings in the context of my comment.

And yes, all of this warring was and is supported, at least tacitly, by the 'middle class' and/or the general population of those who have the audacity to call themselves 'Americans'

Wrong again. I consider myself a middle class American, and I oppose this warring. This is sufficient to refute your claim.

whereas ALL of you live in just a relatively small part of the American Continent, which stretches from Argentina to Canada.

Another red herring. You should take up fishing.

Such hubris!!  All other Americans have the modesty to call themselves Argentinians, Chileans, Brazilians, Nicuargians, Mexicans, Canadians and so on.  But Usans implicilty lay claim to the whole Continent and have fought many wars, including covert wars, to wrest control.

Such self-righteous indignance!! I suggest you learn the meaning of the word conflation.

Do you know nothing of the Iran/Contra affair?  Nothing about the invasion of Panama?  Nothing about the Cuba blockade?

Such hubris. You assume that all Americans are ignorant of history. I know about those things, as well as the smallpox blankets, the overthrow of Mossadegh, FDR's machinations for which the Pearl Harbor attack was the intended outcome, etc., and I also know they are yet more red herrings in the context of my comment.

You should write a book, "Americanism for Dummies", in which you rewrite history for others as dumb as you.

Your self-righteousness is inconsistent. Don't you mean "USism for dummies"?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:18 | 3236237 AnAnonymous
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Wrong again. I consider myself a middle class American, and I oppose this warring. This is sufficient to refute your claim.
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How typically 'american'

So one middle class person (who self proclaimed being middle class by the way) and the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of the 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

All the other 'american' middle class members can support the action by the government, as long as one self proclaimed middle class person tells to be against, woops, the statement has to be wrong.

It is even funnier as 'americanism' clearly answers to the point.

An 'american' nation is an undivided nation. It leads to results like an elected president is not only the president of those who voted him in but also the president of those who voted for another candidate and those who did not vote at all.
As the result, the president, as by 'american' standards, is the representative of every member of the 'american' society.

It is something to recall because usually, 'americans' use this feature to associate/dissociate conveniently from the actions of their government.

As shown again once again by this 'american' who would like to sell the idea that because one 'american' claims to be middle class and claims to oppose the actions of his government, past, present and future, the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of an 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:44 | 3236292 Ralph Spoilsport
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As shown again once again, this screed would make more sense if you submitted it in Mandarin or Cantonese so it could be processed by Google Translate or BabelFish back into English. By 'american standards', what you have submitted is gibberish. Is my laundry done yet?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3236413 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous droppings:

So one middle class person (who self proclaimed being middle class by the way) and the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of the 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

Yep, that's the way it works when you're dealing in absolutes. With your cockamamie theories about Americans and the US middle class you make blanket statements in ascribing various qualities to all Americans. Therefore, a single counterexample is sufficient to discredit your buffoonery.

All the other 'american' middle class members can support the action by the government, as long as one self proclaimed middle class person tells to be against, woops, the statement has to be wrong.

Yes, that is how it works when one makes absolute claims. It works that way in science as well. Never heard of the null hypothesis?

An 'american' nation is an undivided nation.

Another unsupported assertion.

It leads to results like an elected president is not only the president of those who voted him in but also the president of those who voted for another candidate and those who did not vote at all.
As the result, the president, as by 'american' standards, is the representative of every member of the 'american' society.

Welcome to delusion land, also known as AnAnonymoustan. Please, no more issuance of bizarre offuscation on this point unless acknowledge you are in process of strawsman making.

As shown again once again by this 'american' who would like to sell the idea that because one 'american' claims to be middle class and claims to oppose the actions of his government, past, present and future, the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of an 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

AnAnonymous big on delusion. The man needs to get his puzzle together as he is running out of ammo to smear Americans. I recommend him to take some coursework in logics and rhetorics, at the very least.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:24 | 3236244 AnAnonymous
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Your self-righteousness is inconsistent. Don't you mean "USism for dummies"?
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That is great. Wonderful. 'Americans' know no bounds.

What an exhibition of self righteousness indeed. Dare to remember the case of US citizenism and how the term was rejected?

And here's a demand for another term than 'americanism', something like USism?

Another display of an 'american' trait: 'Americans' have hijacked humanity in order to hide themselves in.

'Americans' chose 'americanism' to name their system, favouring the confusion between the geographical locations known as the 'americas' and themselves.

Since US Americans also love to call 'America' the US, well, the picture is gotten.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:36 | 3236270 Ralph Spoilsport
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Feel free to start using the term 'USism'. Your attempts at trying to sound as though you have finally mastered the English language will only continue to provide amusement. See, here's the thing - you're trying to make some kind of a point and nobody knows what it is, other than you don't like the USA and its citizens. Well, the picture is gotten that you are the best troll ever and if your true intent is to be a clown, you are a winner by USA standards and tradition. Only in the USA could you achieve such status by being a buffoon. Congratulations! You are moving up in the world.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3236453 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous bleated:

What an exhibition of self righteousness indeed. Dare to remember the case of US citizenism and how the term was rejected?

Remember it? Hell, I'm still laughing about it. Your US citizenism fantasy is the source for coining Chinese citizenism to describe your particular oddballism and crackpottery.

And here's a demand for another term than 'americanism', something like USism?

USism was used to mock the inconsistency of the commenter. Your reading comprehension stumbles and falters.

Since US Americans also love to call 'America' the US, well, the picture is gotten.

Since Chinese citizenism citizens love to call American middle class "the king class", well, the picture is gotten. The picture is the resentment, envy, and jealousy held by Chinese citizenism citizens, as poured out in such comments.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:50 | 3236199 Ralph Spoilsport
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Such hubris from someone who fails miserably at sounding the least bit knowledgeable. For your edification, the term Usan is already taken by the medical community and the Union of South American Nations.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:26 | 3236248 AnAnonymous
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Add one i and the case is closed.

Usian...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:33 | 3236456 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous blabbered:

Add one i and the case is closed.

Usian...

Add a few more letters and you have AnAnonymous:

Confusian...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:49 | 3236207 Ralph Spoilsport
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Made me laugh too, alas alas. Dropping down 'American' Usanism always turns into something when monolizing the laundry detergent.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:29 | 3236255 AnAnonymous
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Always made me laugh to read this kind of big delusion.
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The big delusion is to think that telling that one self proclaimed middle class person claiming to be against 'american' government's actions, should mean that an 'american' government does not do the bidding of its 'american' middle class is something more than cheap propaganda.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:35 | 3236460 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Adding repeation to your already repeations does not remove your errors.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:09 | 3236069 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Americans Love Drone Strikes

What's that saying again... "What goes around, comes around"?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:48 | 3236492 Alpha Monkey
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I also like "Live by the sword, die by the sword".

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:30 | 3236091 andrewp111
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Forget drones. I am all for asteroid strikes. Countries filled with enemy Islamic populations should be hit with small asteroids, just big enough to wipe them completely. And a nice biggish one (maybe 1 km in diameter) striking right at the point where Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan meet would do wonders for the world. All the cash we are wasting fighting ground wars in Afghanistan would be better spent on asteroid diverters.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:36 | 3236124 Setarcos
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Idiot!

During the mid-20th Century your gubbermint convinced you that the "commies" were coming, but then the Soviet Union collapsed and your gubbermint needed another BIG BAD WOLF to keep the sheeples in check.

Hey presto, Islam was conjured up out of thin air and you fell for it, along with millions of other Usans, most of whom know zero about Islam and even less about where other countries are located.

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:41 | 3236096 Disenchanted
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Drone Wrath for a Compliant Society

 

Beware of the unseen predators over foreign lands for the blowback is the real source of the instability and a root cause of hatred for American hegemony. What you are witnessing is the imbalance between Legislature and the Presidency. The war powers responsibility of Congress, long surrendered to the imperial commander and chief of killing incorporated is a national tragedy.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:15 | 3236110 f16hoser
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CIA believes Average Americans are al-Qaeda too. Get it?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:23 | 3236118 q99x2
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The New Research Center is probably funded by Ratheon. You need luke Rudkowski to do a survey for you.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:33 | 3236123 Racer
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"We have gone a long way down the road of creating a situation where we are creating more enemies than we are removing from the battlefield,"

Exactly what they want to do, so they can kill even more people and suppress more amerikans into giving up their rights.

The same with unemployment and QEasing... the real reason is not to help the people but to suppress and impoverish to the benefit of the 1%

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:06 | 3236149 Monedas
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"Communism is two North Korean soldiers and a dog .... voting on what's for dinner !".... Monedas 1929

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:20 | 3236166 samsara
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Troll

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:13 | 3236226 Monedas
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Minder

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:14 | 3236154 hooligan2009
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is it just me or is it very very easy to make drones? hw easy then would it be to make, say, 100 of them and fly them into the US from Mexico..or Cuba..or maybe, heaven forbid, Canada?

IED's are, so far, restricted to the American colonoies of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. Pretty sure that if we see signs of AQ using drones over those places, it won't be long before they become portable across the Pacific and Atlantic.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:24 | 3236171 Dr. Sandi
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There will probably be a day when you can just launch drones from your own back yard. Blend them in with the official drones on their daily cleanup of nests of speeders, squatters and rogue cops.

Just send your pet drone on its mission amid all the other drones that will be up there.

Since government agencies never talk to each other, there's no way they'll know if yours is one of theirs until it has leveled the local cable TV tower. And even after, if they don't compare notes, it'll probably just look like another government job.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:46 | 3236483 Alpha Monkey
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I personally see it also cumming from the ocean.  An underwater drone-craft carrier, nestling up along a coast, launching a strike force and returning to whence they came for re-arming and re-fueling, as well as moving to a new location.  Pop up, launch, sink back down, pop up for return, sink back down, move along.  This isn't so much an AQ thing, but more of Chinese or other developed nation warfare.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:04 | 3239776 fajensen
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You could privatise and automate to enhance scalability: Build a drone carrier, the auction off each drone on the internet. Or maybe hide racks of dormant drones in portable launcers everywhere, creating a machine plague: Every yahoo with a fat enuff credit card and internet access gets a change to blow shit up.

I think that the 21'st century version of "SPECTRE" would basically just build "buttons that blow shit up" and sell the access to them. Sell the TV-rights too BTW, "Carnage"- and "Will law enfocement make it this time"- are near-perfect for P.P.V. Outsourcing the minions, the big planning and the red-shirt personel also simplifies the operation as well as reducing the risk and the costs (Even though it is always Dr. Evil Himself that narcs out The Plan to The Hero).

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:23 | 3236168 israhole
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Live by it, die by it.  American goyim are particularly dumbed down compared to just about any other.

Enjoy your slavery!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:25 | 3236173 Dr. Sandi
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It's not slavery, it's a lifestyle choice.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:03 | 3236218 dark pools of soros
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More targets, more funding
Win-win for the MIC

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:15 | 3236231 Seasmoke
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Wonder what those numbers would look like if the head nigga in charge was GWB.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:37 | 3236274 earnyermoney
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Majority would be opposed. These numbers show the progressive left carried out a campaign of cynical faux outrage against the projection of American military might under GWB. Now that Barry's in control, everythings cool.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:16 | 3236232 Vooter
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For your droning entertainment:

http://youtu.be/OEPYr6Pxbfg

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:22 | 3236242 surfsup
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Um, I think it might have to do with who has the best drones...    Let the drones fight while the masses are inhibiting uptake and virutally the same phenomina is going on as war.  More soldiers dead from suicice than battle!  At least one has somewhat of a choice in this one -- toss the bottle -- instant upgrade in survial odds across the board.  But some monkeys will still medicate -- they finally found a way to make war obsolite -->

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3236303 Ralph Spoilsport
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"some monkeys will still medicate"

Sounds like you know whereof you speak.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3236296 chindit13
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There's a time and place for drones.  The time is NOW, the place, however, is far from Waziristan, the Hadramaut or Big Bear.  It's Kachin State.  The enemy is both the Tatmadaw and the People's Republic of China.  The crime of which they are guilty:  genocide.  Ethnic cleansing.  Call it whatever you want.  It's trying to wipe out a race of people who happen to occupy a land rich with precious metals, gemstones, jade, tropical hardwoods and dam-able rivers, all of which China wants.

For well more than a year the Tatmadaw, funded and supplied by China, has been waging war against the Kachin people.  The Kachin Independence Army, or KIA, has a history of guerilla warfare, and may even have invented it.  They fought with Merrill's Marauders, the Chindits and Vinegar Joe Stilwell during WWII against the Japanese, earning a reputation as fierce and courageous warriors.

The fearless KIA has been holding the Tatmadaw to a draw, so the Tatmadaw, with the aid of China, have changed tactics.  Rather than fight the KIA, the Tatmadaw is attacking women of birthing age.  They are engaging in rape and murder on a massive scale, in an attempt to eliminate the reproductive capacity of the Kachin people.  The Tatmadaw is targeting areas where refugees gather.  They are using conventional artillery as well as poison shells supplied by the People's Republic of China.  They have set snipers near any and all crop fields, gunning down anyone who dares try to work the fields.  They have outlawed, under penalty of death, any mining for precious metals or jade by the Kachin people, under orders from China to reserve all of these resources for China alone.  Cutting wood, either for sale or for cooking, has also been outlawed, under penalty of death.  People who can neither work nor eat do one of two things:  die or migrate.

Women as young as pre teen are being raped on an incredible scale.  You want photos?  You don't want to see them.  Young girls raped repeatedly, their breasts cut off with a bayonet, then shot point blank in the head, left naked and rotting on the ground for the rats or vultures to eat.  Girls burned alive.  Babies cut from the womb.  Pure savagery.

Genocide.  Encouraged, funded and directed by China.

The story is there, but the world is too caught up in Syria or Afghanistan or Big Bear or North Korea or the EU to give it any thought.  It's an isolated area.  There is dengue and cerebral malaria, afflictions that don't know what "International Press" means, so the not-so-intrepid press stays away.

You all want to fuck Bernanke or Obama or whomever.  I want to fuck China.  I want to fuck them with a John Brennan-autograph model Hellfire missile up their collective asses.

Disgraced former CP Illuminati Bo Xilai had in his office a "map of greater China".  He didn't produce the map, but as a senior official he had a copy.  The map included, as one might expect, Taiwan, the Daioyous, and Tibet.  It also included the land of the Tatmadaw.  China is using its proxy military in an attempt to make that map a reality.

Nobody is doing a thing to stop them.  Nobody cares.  It's just another genocide.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:57 | 3236519 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and in the south of the country, the Karen people aren't faring much better at the hands of the Tatmadaw.

But hey, Burma must be OK, because President Obama visited them. I'm sure the Tatmadaw are as respectful of human rights as the Saudis are and as Shah Reza Pahlavi was. That's how US allies roll.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 10:30 | 3240105 Disenchanted
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So...We SHOULD go abroad seeking monsters to destroy?

Isn't that largely how we've come to be in our current predicament?

 

You love the (failed)status quo don't you chindit...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 11:53 | 3236718 dscott8186
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And now you understand why when two Islamist parties fight each other, it is usually to the death with no prisoners taken.  Once having finished the battle the victor usually goes to the losers village, kills all the male children, widows and take the young girls as slaves/wives.  This is how tribalism works and revenge is part and parcel of it.

The Romans understood this early on regarding tribes by making allies of the losers or failing their cooperation - wiping them out to the last man, woman and child.  The Ottoman Turks did no different than the Romans to the Arabs. And the Arabs did no different to the Turks when supported by the Germans in WWI & WWII.

If you bothered to observe the Iran/Iraq war, the troops under Saddam Hussein and those under the Mullahs slaughtered each other mercilessly. To be taken as a prisoner was a fate worse than death to be continually beaten, starved and tortured.  

It doesn't matter if it is drones, or troops on the ground or naval bombardment.  In the Middle Eastern culture, there is a vendetta on whomever gets blamed.  Obama's failure is not one of using drones, it is one of bad PR failing to blame al Qaeda for the woes in Yemen.  (I'm not known as any supporter of Obama, he is an incompetent boob as far as I am concerned.)  

The failure of US policy whether under Carter, Clinton, Bush or Obama is one of assumptions.  Each made their decisions based on the faulty assumption that their logic based on their Western culture would be understood and accepted by a Middle Easterner.  There are only two types of peace to be achieved in a tribal culture - the peace of the grave OR an alliance.  Those who aren't part of the alliance are blamed for all the death and mayhem - that's how a tribal system works.  Al Qaeda makes alliances with tribal elders and therefore whenever the Yemeni government singles out an al Qaeda fighter(s) for a drone strike, who gets blamed?  The non-alliance actor. Collateral damage no matter how unintended, serves to reinforce the alliance. Thus the enemy of enemy is my friend.

btw- This is exactly how the CIA orchestrated the initial victory in Afghanistan after 911.  They made alliances with every tribe thus isolating the Taliban and pushing them out before on coming US Troops.  They failed in the long run because they stopped at the border using the flawed Western assumption that national borders mean something to tribes, they don't.  Had the CIA continued on into Waziristan using the same tactics we wouldn't be having problems now in Afghanistan because there would not have been a safe haven among the Pashtun tribes.

 

It is ignorance, not drones that bedevils US policy.  When al Qaeda bombed market places killing Muslim women and children in Iraq, who got the blame?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 12:33 | 3236848 Renfield
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I found this comment enlightening, thanks for that. I heard somewhere that Afghanistan is where empires go to die. The tribalists are not stupid at all.

Me, I don't identify my tribe by race or nation, but I have some of that same mentality I think. I know how to treat a fucking enemy.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 11:58 | 3236725 mercenaryomics
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I wish they had surveyed Pakistan, Yemen or Afghanistan; you know, see if people feel safer now that we've given them "freedom." 

 

 

Edit: And it makes sense why the Military Industrial Complex loves drones, drones help recruit more "terrorists" and that means the MIC gets what it wants: MOAR WARZ BITCHEZ! 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 13:36 | 3237079 jmc8888
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They don't know what it means, or the implications.  Sad, but true.

If these people knew it was against the constitution, and that it could be used on them, and that they would never be hauled in front of a court it would just happen, and kill any family or friends or neighbors around them, among other things, they would be against it.

But they're too busy watching 16 and pregnant.

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