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Guest Post: America Loves Drone Strikes

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics blog,

This graph shows everything we need to know about the geopolitical reality of Predator Drones (coming soon to the skies of America to hunt down fugitives?).

The American public loves drone strikes:


The American public does not approve of the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. But for everyone else, it’s open season.

But everyone else — most particularly and significantly, the countries in the Muslim world — largely hates and resents drone strikes.

And it is the Muslim world that produces the radicalised extremists who commit acts like 9/11, 7/7, the Madrid bombings, and the Bali bombings.  With this outpouring of contempt for America’s drone strikes, many analysts are coming to believe that Obama’s drone policy is now effectively a recruitment tool for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and similar groups:


Indeed, evidence is beginning to coalesce to suggest exactly this. PressTV recently noted:

The expanding drone war in Yemen, which often kills civilians, does in fact cause blowback and help al-Qaeda recruitment – as attested to by numerous Yemen experts, investigative reporting on the ground, polling, testimony from Yemen activists, and the actual fact that recent bungled terrorist attacks aimed at the U.S. have cited such drone attacks as motivating factors.


After another September drone strike that killed 13 civilians, a local Yemeni activist told CNN, “I would not be surprised if a hundred tribesmen joined the lines of al-Qaeda as a result of the latest drone mistake. This part of Yemen takes revenge very seriously.”


“Our entire village is angry at the government and the Americans,” a Yemeni villager named Mohammed told the Post. “If the Americans are responsible, I would have no choice but to sympathize with al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda is fighting America.”


Many in the U.S. intelligence community also believe the drone war is contributing to the al-Qaeda presence in Yemen. Robert Grenier, who headed the CIA’s counter-terrorism center and was previously a CIA station chief in Pakistan, told The Guardian in June that he is “very concerned about the creation of a larger terrorist safe haven in Yemen.”


“We have gone a long way down the road of creating a situation where we are creating more enemies than we are removing from the battlefield,” he said regarding drones in Yemen.

Iona Craig reports that civilian casualties from drone strikes “have emboldened al-Qaeda” and cites the reaction to the 2009 U.S. cruise missile attack on the village of al-Majala in Yemen that killed more than 40 civilians (including 21 children):

That one bombing radicalized the entire area,” Abdul Gh ani al-Iryani, a Yemeni political analyst, said. “All the men and boys from those families and tribes will have joined [al-Qaeda] to fight.

And al-Qaeda’s presence and support in Yemen has grown, not shrunk since the start of the targeted killing program:

Meanwhile Yemen Central Security Force commander Brig. Gen. Yahya Saleh, nephew of ousted president Ali Abdullah Saleh, told Abdul-Ahad that al-Qaeda has more followers, money, guns and territory then they did a year and a half ago.


All at a time when Yemen is facing a “catastrophic” food crisis, with at least 267,000 children facing life-threatening levels of malnutrition. Hunger has doubled since 2009, and the number of displaced civilians is about 500,000 and rising.


As U.S. drones drop bombs on south Yemen villages and AQAP provides displaced civilians with “free electricity, food and water,” tribes in the area are becoming increasingly sympathetic to AQAP.

Let’s be intellectually honest. If a country engages in a military program that carries out strikes that kill hundreds of civilians - many of whom having no connection whatever with terrorism or radicalism - that country is going to become increasingly hated. People in the countries targeted - those who may have lost friends, or family members - are going to plot revenge, and take revenge. That’s just how war works. It infuriates. It radicalises. It instils hatred.

The reality of Obama’s drone program is to create new generations of America-hating radicalised individuals, who may well go on to be the next Osama bin Laden, the next Ayman al-Zawahiri, the next Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The reality for Obama’s drone program is that it is sowing the seeds for the next 9/11 - just as American intervention in the middle east sowed the seeds for the last, as Osama bin Laden readily admitted.

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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:18 | 3236237 AnAnonymous
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Wrong again. I consider myself a middle class American, and I oppose this warring. This is sufficient to refute your claim.

How typically 'american'

So one middle class person (who self proclaimed being middle class by the way) and the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of the 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

All the other 'american' middle class members can support the action by the government, as long as one self proclaimed middle class person tells to be against, woops, the statement has to be wrong.

It is even funnier as 'americanism' clearly answers to the point.

An 'american' nation is an undivided nation. It leads to results like an elected president is not only the president of those who voted him in but also the president of those who voted for another candidate and those who did not vote at all.
As the result, the president, as by 'american' standards, is the representative of every member of the 'american' society.

It is something to recall because usually, 'americans' use this feature to associate/dissociate conveniently from the actions of their government.

As shown again once again by this 'american' who would like to sell the idea that because one 'american' claims to be middle class and claims to oppose the actions of his government, past, present and future, the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of an 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:44 | 3236292 Ralph Spoilsport
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As shown again once again, this screed would make more sense if you submitted it in Mandarin or Cantonese so it could be processed by Google Translate or BabelFish back into English. By 'american standards', what you have submitted is gibberish. Is my laundry done yet?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3236413 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous droppings:

So one middle class person (who self proclaimed being middle class by the way) and the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of the 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

Yep, that's the way it works when you're dealing in absolutes. With your cockamamie theories about Americans and the US middle class you make blanket statements in ascribing various qualities to all Americans. Therefore, a single counterexample is sufficient to discredit your buffoonery.

All the other 'american' middle class members can support the action by the government, as long as one self proclaimed middle class person tells to be against, woops, the statement has to be wrong.

Yes, that is how it works when one makes absolute claims. It works that way in science as well. Never heard of the null hypothesis?

An 'american' nation is an undivided nation.

Another unsupported assertion.

It leads to results like an elected president is not only the president of those who voted him in but also the president of those who voted for another candidate and those who did not vote at all.
As the result, the president, as by 'american' standards, is the representative of every member of the 'american' society.

Welcome to delusion land, also known as AnAnonymoustan. Please, no more issuance of bizarre offuscation on this point unless acknowledge you are in process of strawsman making.

As shown again once again by this 'american' who would like to sell the idea that because one 'american' claims to be middle class and claims to oppose the actions of his government, past, present and future, the statement that an 'american' government does the bidding of an 'american' middle class has to be wrong.

AnAnonymous big on delusion. The man needs to get his puzzle together as he is running out of ammo to smear Americans. I recommend him to take some coursework in logics and rhetorics, at the very least.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:24 | 3236244 AnAnonymous
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Your self-righteousness is inconsistent. Don't you mean "USism for dummies"?

That is great. Wonderful. 'Americans' know no bounds.

What an exhibition of self righteousness indeed. Dare to remember the case of US citizenism and how the term was rejected?

And here's a demand for another term than 'americanism', something like USism?

Another display of an 'american' trait: 'Americans' have hijacked humanity in order to hide themselves in.

'Americans' chose 'americanism' to name their system, favouring the confusion between the geographical locations known as the 'americas' and themselves.

Since US Americans also love to call 'America' the US, well, the picture is gotten.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:36 | 3236270 Ralph Spoilsport
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Feel free to start using the term 'USism'. Your attempts at trying to sound as though you have finally mastered the English language will only continue to provide amusement. See, here's the thing - you're trying to make some kind of a point and nobody knows what it is, other than you don't like the USA and its citizens. Well, the picture is gotten that you are the best troll ever and if your true intent is to be a clown, you are a winner by USA standards and tradition. Only in the USA could you achieve such status by being a buffoon. Congratulations! You are moving up in the world.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3236453 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous bleated:

What an exhibition of self righteousness indeed. Dare to remember the case of US citizenism and how the term was rejected?

Remember it? Hell, I'm still laughing about it. Your US citizenism fantasy is the source for coining Chinese citizenism to describe your particular oddballism and crackpottery.

And here's a demand for another term than 'americanism', something like USism?

USism was used to mock the inconsistency of the commenter. Your reading comprehension stumbles and falters.

Since US Americans also love to call 'America' the US, well, the picture is gotten.

Since Chinese citizenism citizens love to call American middle class "the king class", well, the picture is gotten. The picture is the resentment, envy, and jealousy held by Chinese citizenism citizens, as poured out in such comments.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:50 | 3236199 Ralph Spoilsport
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Such hubris from someone who fails miserably at sounding the least bit knowledgeable. For your edification, the term Usan is already taken by the medical community and the Union of South American Nations.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:26 | 3236248 AnAnonymous
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Add one i and the case is closed.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:33 | 3236456 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous blabbered:

Add one i and the case is closed.


Add a few more letters and you have AnAnonymous:


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:49 | 3236207 Ralph Spoilsport
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Made me laugh too, alas alas. Dropping down 'American' Usanism always turns into something when monolizing the laundry detergent.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:29 | 3236255 AnAnonymous
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Always made me laugh to read this kind of big delusion.

The big delusion is to think that telling that one self proclaimed middle class person claiming to be against 'american' government's actions, should mean that an 'american' government does not do the bidding of its 'american' middle class is something more than cheap propaganda.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:35 | 3236460 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Adding repeation to your already repeations does not remove your errors.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:09 | 3236069 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Americans Love Drone Strikes

What's that saying again... "What goes around, comes around"?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:48 | 3236492 Alpha Monkey
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I also like "Live by the sword, die by the sword".

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:30 | 3236091 andrewp111
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Forget drones. I am all for asteroid strikes. Countries filled with enemy Islamic populations should be hit with small asteroids, just big enough to wipe them completely. And a nice biggish one (maybe 1 km in diameter) striking right at the point where Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan meet would do wonders for the world. All the cash we are wasting fighting ground wars in Afghanistan would be better spent on asteroid diverters.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:36 | 3236124 Setarcos
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During the mid-20th Century your gubbermint convinced you that the "commies" were coming, but then the Soviet Union collapsed and your gubbermint needed another BIG BAD WOLF to keep the sheeples in check.

Hey presto, Islam was conjured up out of thin air and you fell for it, along with millions of other Usans, most of whom know zero about Islam and even less about where other countries are located.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 06:41 | 3236096 Disenchanted
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Drone Wrath for a Compliant Society


Beware of the unseen predators over foreign lands for the blowback is the real source of the instability and a root cause of hatred for American hegemony. What you are witnessing is the imbalance between Legislature and the Presidency. The war powers responsibility of Congress, long surrendered to the imperial commander and chief of killing incorporated is a national tragedy.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:15 | 3236110 f16hoser
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CIA believes Average Americans are al-Qaeda too. Get it?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:23 | 3236118 q99x2
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The New Research Center is probably funded by Ratheon. You need luke Rudkowski to do a survey for you.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 07:33 | 3236123 Racer
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"We have gone a long way down the road of creating a situation where we are creating more enemies than we are removing from the battlefield,"

Exactly what they want to do, so they can kill even more people and suppress more amerikans into giving up their rights.

The same with unemployment and QEasing... the real reason is not to help the people but to suppress and impoverish to the benefit of the 1%

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:06 | 3236149 Monedas
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"Communism is two North Korean soldiers and a dog .... voting on what's for dinner !".... Monedas 1929

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:20 | 3236166 samsara
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:13 | 3236226 Monedas
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:14 | 3236154 hooligan2009
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is it just me or is it very very easy to make drones? hw easy then would it be to make, say, 100 of them and fly them into the US from Mexico..or Cuba..or maybe, heaven forbid, Canada?

IED's are, so far, restricted to the American colonoies of Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. Pretty sure that if we see signs of AQ using drones over those places, it won't be long before they become portable across the Pacific and Atlantic.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:24 | 3236171 Dr. Sandi
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There will probably be a day when you can just launch drones from your own back yard. Blend them in with the official drones on their daily cleanup of nests of speeders, squatters and rogue cops.

Just send your pet drone on its mission amid all the other drones that will be up there.

Since government agencies never talk to each other, there's no way they'll know if yours is one of theirs until it has leveled the local cable TV tower. And even after, if they don't compare notes, it'll probably just look like another government job.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:46 | 3236483 Alpha Monkey
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I personally see it also cumming from the ocean.  An underwater drone-craft carrier, nestling up along a coast, launching a strike force and returning to whence they came for re-arming and re-fueling, as well as moving to a new location.  Pop up, launch, sink back down, pop up for return, sink back down, move along.  This isn't so much an AQ thing, but more of Chinese or other developed nation warfare.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:04 | 3239776 fajensen
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You could privatise and automate to enhance scalability: Build a drone carrier, the auction off each drone on the internet. Or maybe hide racks of dormant drones in portable launcers everywhere, creating a machine plague: Every yahoo with a fat enuff credit card and internet access gets a change to blow shit up.

I think that the 21'st century version of "SPECTRE" would basically just build "buttons that blow shit up" and sell the access to them. Sell the TV-rights too BTW, "Carnage"- and "Will law enfocement make it this time"- are near-perfect for P.P.V. Outsourcing the minions, the big planning and the red-shirt personel also simplifies the operation as well as reducing the risk and the costs (Even though it is always Dr. Evil Himself that narcs out The Plan to The Hero).

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:23 | 3236168 israhole
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Live by it, die by it.  American goyim are particularly dumbed down compared to just about any other.

Enjoy your slavery!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 08:25 | 3236173 Dr. Sandi
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It's not slavery, it's a lifestyle choice.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:03 | 3236218 dark pools of soros
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More targets, more funding
Win-win for the MIC

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:15 | 3236231 Seasmoke
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Wonder what those numbers would look like if the head nigga in charge was GWB.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:37 | 3236274 earnyermoney
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Majority would be opposed. These numbers show the progressive left carried out a campaign of cynical faux outrage against the projection of American military might under GWB. Now that Barry's in control, everythings cool.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:16 | 3236232 Vooter
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For your droning entertainment:


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:22 | 3236242 surfsup
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Um, I think it might have to do with who has the best drones...    Let the drones fight while the masses are inhibiting uptake and virutally the same phenomina is going on as war.  More soldiers dead from suicice than battle!  At least one has somewhat of a choice in this one -- toss the bottle -- instant upgrade in survial odds across the board.  But some monkeys will still medicate -- they finally found a way to make war obsolite -->

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3236303 Ralph Spoilsport
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"some monkeys will still medicate"

Sounds like you know whereof you speak.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3236296 chindit13
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There's a time and place for drones.  The time is NOW, the place, however, is far from Waziristan, the Hadramaut or Big Bear.  It's Kachin State.  The enemy is both the Tatmadaw and the People's Republic of China.  The crime of which they are guilty:  genocide.  Ethnic cleansing.  Call it whatever you want.  It's trying to wipe out a race of people who happen to occupy a land rich with precious metals, gemstones, jade, tropical hardwoods and dam-able rivers, all of which China wants.

For well more than a year the Tatmadaw, funded and supplied by China, has been waging war against the Kachin people.  The Kachin Independence Army, or KIA, has a history of guerilla warfare, and may even have invented it.  They fought with Merrill's Marauders, the Chindits and Vinegar Joe Stilwell during WWII against the Japanese, earning a reputation as fierce and courageous warriors.

The fearless KIA has been holding the Tatmadaw to a draw, so the Tatmadaw, with the aid of China, have changed tactics.  Rather than fight the KIA, the Tatmadaw is attacking women of birthing age.  They are engaging in rape and murder on a massive scale, in an attempt to eliminate the reproductive capacity of the Kachin people.  The Tatmadaw is targeting areas where refugees gather.  They are using conventional artillery as well as poison shells supplied by the People's Republic of China.  They have set snipers near any and all crop fields, gunning down anyone who dares try to work the fields.  They have outlawed, under penalty of death, any mining for precious metals or jade by the Kachin people, under orders from China to reserve all of these resources for China alone.  Cutting wood, either for sale or for cooking, has also been outlawed, under penalty of death.  People who can neither work nor eat do one of two things:  die or migrate.

Women as young as pre teen are being raped on an incredible scale.  You want photos?  You don't want to see them.  Young girls raped repeatedly, their breasts cut off with a bayonet, then shot point blank in the head, left naked and rotting on the ground for the rats or vultures to eat.  Girls burned alive.  Babies cut from the womb.  Pure savagery.

Genocide.  Encouraged, funded and directed by China.

The story is there, but the world is too caught up in Syria or Afghanistan or Big Bear or North Korea or the EU to give it any thought.  It's an isolated area.  There is dengue and cerebral malaria, afflictions that don't know what "International Press" means, so the not-so-intrepid press stays away.

You all want to fuck Bernanke or Obama or whomever.  I want to fuck China.  I want to fuck them with a John Brennan-autograph model Hellfire missile up their collective asses.

Disgraced former CP Illuminati Bo Xilai had in his office a "map of greater China".  He didn't produce the map, but as a senior official he had a copy.  The map included, as one might expect, Taiwan, the Daioyous, and Tibet.  It also included the land of the Tatmadaw.  China is using its proxy military in an attempt to make that map a reality.

Nobody is doing a thing to stop them.  Nobody cares.  It's just another genocide.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 10:57 | 3236519 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...and in the south of the country, the Karen people aren't faring much better at the hands of the Tatmadaw.

But hey, Burma must be OK, because President Obama visited them. I'm sure the Tatmadaw are as respectful of human rights as the Saudis are and as Shah Reza Pahlavi was. That's how US allies roll.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 10:30 | 3240105 Disenchanted
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So...We SHOULD go abroad seeking monsters to destroy?

Isn't that largely how we've come to be in our current predicament?


You love the (failed)status quo don't you chindit...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 11:53 | 3236718 dscott8186
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And now you understand why when two Islamist parties fight each other, it is usually to the death with no prisoners taken.  Once having finished the battle the victor usually goes to the losers village, kills all the male children, widows and take the young girls as slaves/wives.  This is how tribalism works and revenge is part and parcel of it.

The Romans understood this early on regarding tribes by making allies of the losers or failing their cooperation - wiping them out to the last man, woman and child.  The Ottoman Turks did no different than the Romans to the Arabs. And the Arabs did no different to the Turks when supported by the Germans in WWI & WWII.

If you bothered to observe the Iran/Iraq war, the troops under Saddam Hussein and those under the Mullahs slaughtered each other mercilessly. To be taken as a prisoner was a fate worse than death to be continually beaten, starved and tortured.  

It doesn't matter if it is drones, or troops on the ground or naval bombardment.  In the Middle Eastern culture, there is a vendetta on whomever gets blamed.  Obama's failure is not one of using drones, it is one of bad PR failing to blame al Qaeda for the woes in Yemen.  (I'm not known as any supporter of Obama, he is an incompetent boob as far as I am concerned.)  

The failure of US policy whether under Carter, Clinton, Bush or Obama is one of assumptions.  Each made their decisions based on the faulty assumption that their logic based on their Western culture would be understood and accepted by a Middle Easterner.  There are only two types of peace to be achieved in a tribal culture - the peace of the grave OR an alliance.  Those who aren't part of the alliance are blamed for all the death and mayhem - that's how a tribal system works.  Al Qaeda makes alliances with tribal elders and therefore whenever the Yemeni government singles out an al Qaeda fighter(s) for a drone strike, who gets blamed?  The non-alliance actor. Collateral damage no matter how unintended, serves to reinforce the alliance. Thus the enemy of enemy is my friend.

btw- This is exactly how the CIA orchestrated the initial victory in Afghanistan after 911.  They made alliances with every tribe thus isolating the Taliban and pushing them out before on coming US Troops.  They failed in the long run because they stopped at the border using the flawed Western assumption that national borders mean something to tribes, they don't.  Had the CIA continued on into Waziristan using the same tactics we wouldn't be having problems now in Afghanistan because there would not have been a safe haven among the Pashtun tribes.


It is ignorance, not drones that bedevils US policy.  When al Qaeda bombed market places killing Muslim women and children in Iraq, who got the blame?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 12:33 | 3236848 Renfield
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I found this comment enlightening, thanks for that. I heard somewhere that Afghanistan is where empires go to die. The tribalists are not stupid at all.

Me, I don't identify my tribe by race or nation, but I have some of that same mentality I think. I know how to treat a fucking enemy.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 11:58 | 3236725 mercenaryomics
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I wish they had surveyed Pakistan, Yemen or Afghanistan; you know, see if people feel safer now that we've given them "freedom." 



Edit: And it makes sense why the Military Industrial Complex loves drones, drones help recruit more "terrorists" and that means the MIC gets what it wants: MOAR WARZ BITCHEZ! 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 13:36 | 3237079 jmc8888
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They don't know what it means, or the implications.  Sad, but true.

If these people knew it was against the constitution, and that it could be used on them, and that they would never be hauled in front of a court it would just happen, and kill any family or friends or neighbors around them, among other things, they would be against it.

But they're too busy watching 16 and pregnant.


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