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10 Immutable Laws Of Money

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Via Lance Roberts of Street Talk Live,

Money – we all want it, but few of us are willing to sacrifice to get it. Those that have it generally don't understand it, and those that don't have it come up with excuses why they can't get it. If this sounds confusing – it is.

For all that we have accomplished in the United States in the last 200+ years we have failed miserably at teaching our children the basics of money management. I am not talking about stock and bond portfolios but rather the basics of spending less than you make, understanding of credit, and how to balance a check a book.

We are inundated daily with credit card commercials that show how great life can be – just charge it. We are enticed to buy things that we don't really need though the use of zero percent financing – but only while it lasts. We are motivated to consume anything and everything in pursuit of the American dream but no one ever talks about the consequences of our actions.

The Secret To Wealth

I could literally be kicked out of the financial community for divulging the one secret that has been so closely guarded by the credit card companies, the mortgage companies, the banks and WallStreet for so many years. This secret, of course, is the true road to wealth and happiness. It is irrefutable, undeniable and absolutely achievable. If you implement this one secret in your life – you will be rich and you won't be able to stop it.

The Secret: Spend Less Than You Make

That's right. This is the one secret that no one wants you to know because the more you save – the less the credit card companies make.  The more you save the less in fees that Wall Street makes.  The more you save the wealthier you get.

The 10 Laws Of Money

1) Money Doesn't Grow On Trees

My father used to always tell me several things – all of which I am beginning to find out weren't exactly true – such as; "When I was your age I had to walk uphill to school in the snow – both ways!", "I could go to a double feature and eat all the popcorn and soda I wanted for a nickel and have change left over!" and, of course, my personal favorite; "Where do you think that comes from – money doesn't grow on trees!"

What my father was trying to teach me was to respect the effort that goes into making money in the first place. My whole life my father worked two jobs, and sometimes three, to support me and make sure that I had everything I needed – not always everything I wanted – but always what I needed. As a young boy, of course, I didn't fully understand the impact of what he was trying to teach me until I got a family of my own.

People generally work very hard for their money but then squander it by making bad financial decisions. You must learn respect for the money you make and one of the best ways to do this is by using an "envelope system" for a few months.

The "envelope system" is easy. Simply cash your paycheck and put all the money into envelopes for rent/mortgage, car notes, food, utilities, entertainment, etc. Then go ahead and begin living your life. What the envelope system will show you is where you are squandering your money and help you focus on the areas of financial distress so that you can cure the problem.

Oh, by the way, there is no borrowing from one envelope to cover a shortfall in another, when the envelope is empty then you are out of luck until next month...so make sure you don't spend too much of your "food" money eating out.

2) Wants Always Exceed Needs

It is always surprises me when I council people on financial planning the shear look of horror that comes across their faces when I mention the word "budget".  It is almost as if I have just asked for them to amputate both arms.

However, a budget is the only way to achieve financial success in your life - you have to spend less than you make.  I hear all the time; "You don't understand – I needed a new car", "...we needed a bigger house" or "...we just have to have our annual vacation."

The difference between a "want" and a "need" can sometimes be small and insignificant, but, most of the time they are on different planets. Did these people need a new car – maybe, but they could have bought a 2-year old car that looks great and saved 30% on depreciation. Did they really need a bigger house or could they have gotten by in the one they are already in. These are all the questions that you have to ask yourself.

  • #800000;">FOOD
  • #800000;">SHELTER
  • #800000;">UTILITIES
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These are your needs – everything is a "want". Keeping the "wants" under control is a huge first step in your financial wealth.  So, before you buy something tomorrow – stop and think about it – is it a "want" or a "need".

Your Life Is Worth 60%

In planning your life, and spanning the gap between "wants" and "needs", build a budget after analyzing your spending patterns keep your committed expenses at or below 60% of your gross income. That's right – that leaves 40% of your gross income just hanging out in the wind, but more on that in a moment.

Now, 60% is not a magic number but it is a realistic goal to work toward and, at any rate, it's a good place to start. However, once you start using this method, you really won't need to track your expenses because your checking account balance will generally be equal to the amount of money you can spend. The key is keeping a lid on those committed expenses.

What About The Remaining 40%?

That 40% is what you paid yourself, and your family, with first. Let's look at an easy example:

Joe makes $100,000 per year and is in a 25% tax bracket. Once he is paid, $17,500 goes into his company retirement plan, pretax, OR 17.5% of our 40% goal.  Joe is already almost halfway to his goal.

 

Joe then deposits $458.33 per month, ($5,500 annually) into a Roth IRA for himself and an additional $458.33 each month into a Roth IRA for his wife.   Since these are AFTER-TAX investments we need to adjust upward by adding the taxes back in which would value the total of the $11,000 in  annual contributions at $13,750.  So far Joe has already saved 31.25% of his goal of 40%.

 

Joe then deposits $730 into an investment account each month, via automatic deposit, which is an additional $8,760 a year making up the balance of the savings goal.

 

Joe then has a final net paycheck he deposited into his bank account which is equivalent to 60% of his gross pay after all  deductions. Each month Joe spends everything in his bank account. He doesn't have to worry about saving anything because it has already been done and Joe learns not to miss the money piling into his savings accounts because he never got to see it in the first place.

The real secret to building a budget that really works isn't tracking what you spend any more than counting calories is the secret to losing weight.  The key is creating a sustainable structure for your finances, one that balances spending and income, and leaves enough room to handle the unexpected.

3) The Poor Are Debtors

This is a simple rule – "You can not borrow your way to wealth...period."  You will never see a late night infomercial on how to build your way to wealth by swapping debt between low interest credit cards.

For a lot of people, part of the difficulty in reducing committed expenses comes from the need to make big monthly credit card payments. If you're carrying a substantial amount of non-mortgage debt, I'd suggest using the 20% that would otherwise go to retirement and long-term saving to aggressively pay down your debt -- but only after you cut up those cards.

Every dollar in interest that you don't pay is just like getting a guaranteed risk-free, and tax-free, return on your money equal to the interest rate on the debt. When your debts are paid off -- and it won't take long using 20% of your gross income -- immediately redirect that money back into savings.

Here are 15 signs that indicate you are not managing your financial life correctly and are hindering yourself from becoming wealthy:

1) Your credit card balances are rising while your income is decreasing.

2) You are only paying the minimum amounts required on your accounts, or maybe even less than the minimums.

3) You're juggling bills. For example, you apply for another credit card and use cash advances from it to pay an existing card.

4) You have more credit cards than a successful gambler has poker chips.

5) You are at or perilously near the limit on each of your credit cards.

6) You consistently charge more each month than you make in payments.

7) You are working overtime to keep up with your credit card payments.

8) You don't know how much you owe and really don't want to find out.

9) You have received phone calls or letters about delinquent bill payments.

10) You are using your credit card to buy necessities like food or gasoline.

11) Your credit cards are no longer used for the sake of convenience, but because you don't have money.

12) You are dipping into savings or your IRA to pay your monthly bills.

13) You are hiding the true cost of your purchases from your spouse.

14) You're playing the card game by signing up for every credit card that sends you an unsolicited offer.

15) You have just lost your job, or are fearful that you are about to, and are concerned about how you will pay all your bills.

The first step in becoming wealthy is to quit using credit cards – of any type, for any reason.

The Credit Card Rollup Solution

If you want to get rid of your credit card debt – no matter how large – the following method will work in no time. You just have to get serious about doing it.

Step 1) Sit down and cut up all of your credit cards – ALL OF THEM.

Step 2) List the balances for each card from LARGEST to SMALLEST and the minimum payment for each.

Step 3) Pay the minimums for each card on the list and 5 times the minimum for the smallest card balance.

Step 4) Repeat each month.  Don't worry about paying off the debt with the highest interest rate first. This approach gives you some quick wins. It's like losing five pounds in the first week of a diet.

Step 5) When the smallest credit card has been paid off ROLLUP all the money you WERE paying on the smallest credit card and apply all of it to the next card on the list INCLUDING the minimum payment you were already making on the previous card.  By the time that you get to your last credit card – which will be the one with the highest balance you will be putting huge chunks of money on the card each month. Before you know it – you will be debt free.

Step 6) When you are finally free of all of your credit cards – reward yourself. Take the next two months of payments you were using to pay off your last credit card and buy yourself something.

Step 7) After you reward yourself – it is time to get back to saving. ALL OF THE MONEY that you used to pay towards the credit cards – now goes into savings. You have a lot of ground to make up and this is a good way to get there.

4) Moral & Physical Hazards Don't Apply

I remember watching "Fear Factor" and realizing that people will do anything for "quick and easy money""Sure, Joe, I will eat those South American Hissing Cock Roaches for $50,000."  Yet, these same individuals won't do the financially smart things, and sacrifice their "wants," in order to save that same $50,000.

In America we have been raised to be financially lazy. We are unwilling to do what is necessary to become rich yet we will play the lottery, which is nothing more than a poor man's tax, in hopes of becoming a millionaire. Yet the sad statistic is that 80% of lottery winners are broke again within 10 years because of bad financial management.

Like David Letterman, I should start a segment on "Streettalk with Lance Roberts" called "Financially Stupid Human Tricks" and highlight some of the things that we are enticed to do by lenders in the name of "financial management" such as;

Borrow From Your 401(K)

Companies don't have to offer a loan feature with their 401(k) retirement plans, but according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, most of them do. Eighty-three percent of American workers covered by 401(k) plans can borrow against their accounts, and about two in five participants have an outstanding loan.

People who borrow from their workplace retirement funds, meanwhile, love to think it's a smart move, since when they repay the loan they're essentially paying interest to themselves rather than to a credit-card company or other lender.

This is true, but 401(k) borrowers also could be putting their retirements at risk. If they lose their jobs or get fired, the loan must be repaid, typically within 60 days. If that's not possible, and often it's not since people who lose their jobs don't tend to have a lot of cash sitting around, the outstanding loan balance is taxed and penalized as a premature distribution. That can equate to a penalty of up to 40% or more, depending on your tax bracket, in taxes and penalties in addition to the amount that you borrowed.

It gets worse, since you can't put that money back. Whatever the money your borrowed might have earned in future years is gone forever. If you had borrowed $7000, the average outstanding loan balance, and assume an 8% return, that loan could cost you more than $75,000 in future retirement funds.

Never touch your 401(k) plan – like your home equity.  If you screw everything else up in life you will have a roof over your head and food to eat.

Stretch To Buy A House

Beware, homebuyers. Everyone around you is conspiring against your financial best interests.

Your real estate agent wants you to buy the most expensive house you can: the higher the price tag, the bigger their commission.  Why do you think they always show you a house that can't afford first?  This is because when they show you the house you CAN afford – you will only remember all the nice things that were in the house you couldn't afford. The next thing you know you are stretching to buy a home way out of your price range.

Your friends, and family also may get into the act, telling you it's okay to stretch for that mortgage, since rates are so cheap and your income will eventually rise.  Maybe, maybe not, but anyone who's been house-poor knows the emotional, psychological and financial stress of stretching too far.

Buying too much house should mean giving up other things you want: vacations, eating out, a college fund for your kids, a sufficient retirement kitty. However, what it means to most, intentional or not, is piling on ever more debt, as you borrow to try to maintain your lifestyle.

5) The Best Things In Life Are Free

Too often we equate spending time with a loved one, or with our family, with going somewhere and doing something that can quite quickly become very expensive. However, isn't the purpose of the outing just to spend time communicating and interacting with those that we care about the most?

Learn to be creative. Board games at home, sports in the front yard, water balloon fights, $0.99 cent movie rentals and homemade popcorn, theme nights such as "Stay up as late as you can" or "Slumber party" – it really doesn't matter what you do, you can still have a lot of fun and in a lot of cases – it won't cost you a dime.

Laugh At Your Neighbors' Overspending - Petty? Yes! Helpful? Definitely!

After all, trying to keep up with the Joneses may be what got you into financial trouble in the first place. Realizing that the Joneses aren't as well off as they seem -- and are struggling with debt-related stress as well -- can make keeping up with them a little less attractive.

The average family of four has $100,000 of debt between mortgages, credit cards, car loans, etc. That means that 50% of all families have even more than that in debt. Currently, consumer debt, not including mortgage debt, is at historic highs while personal incomes fail to increase fast enough to cover the shortfall.

So, using your neighbors financial stupidity as a measuring stick for your own successful money management is a great way to keep you on track for your goals. Go ahead, deride the neighbors for financing everything they buy or feeling superior for winning a better mortgage rate, thanks to lower debt loads.

Never underestimate the power of bagging on someone to make yourself feel better – just not to their face. You do still want to be invited to dinner every now and then.

Remember that your peace of mind is, ultimately, what living frugally is all about. You are living today for what you want tomorrow. So, whether you're paying off debt, saving more or simply living within your means, you're trying to avoid the fear and stress that plague people who aren't in control of their spending. Remembering that can help you avoid burnout, stick to your plan and get you to your goal that much quicker.

6) Money Can't Buy Happiness

That ole' cliché is only spoken by those that don't have money and are unwilling to go get it. It is true, however, that "Money can't buy happiness" but it sure can buy a whole lot of whatever comes in second.

7) There Is No Such Thing As Five Easy Payments

Don't get sucked in by finance schemes. To many times people try and rationalize that they will use this credit card or that financing plan because it has zero percent interest. It doesn't matter. If you can't afford to pay cash for the item immediately, on the spot, then you have no business buying it.  Most likely it is a "want" anyway.

Debt is debt in all shapes, forms, and fashions.  Ultimately, it is the fine print that traps you and pushes you further away from attaining your financial goals.

8) A Wad In Your Pocket Is Better Than Your Pants In Wad

Unfortunately, 50% of all marriages in America end in divorce. The number one reason is financial distress. We all want the good things in life and we generally make emotional decisions versus logical ones. If you want to get out of debt, and be free of the financial stress that comes along with it, here are seven radical realities to get your pants out of a wad and put a wad in your pocket.

Reduce Housing Costs. Do you really need a pool in the backyard? Do you really need two extra bedrooms that are being use to store clutter and junk? People generally buy way more house than they need. Reducing your monthly mortgage payments by dropping the size of your house can put a lot more cash into your pocket.

 

Drop A Car, Gas, Maintenance, and Payments -- imagine the money you could save if you gave up one household car, or found other ways to commute and run errands. Or trade in your car on a two or three year old car to reduce your monthly car notes.

 

Get (Another) Job. You don't have to work nights and weekends forever, but if a part-time job gave you an extra $300 a month, that's $3,600 you can put toward debt this year.

 

Quit Your Vice. Your indulgences can add up fast. Giving up your smoking habit can save you thousands of dollars a year. Eating out can add up fast too – so brown bag your lunch and start cooking at home. It isn't convenient – but it's the financial smart thing to do.

 

Live moderately. Shifting priorities, and locations, can help downsize your lifestyle. .

 

Let the kids go public. According to the Council for American Private Education, the average cost of private elementary and high school is about $4,689 a year. You are already paying for public school in your annual school taxes – might as well get some bang for your buck. Don't think your child will learn as well as they would in a private school? How about taking some time out of your schedule to work with them at home – it's free and you will create a lot more with your child than just a smart kid.

 

Tap Your Crap. Garage sells, EBAY and a host of other avenues these days offer you outlets to get rid of all that crap you have accumulated over the years – and it may just generate a few extra bucks towards paying off debt.

I understand your initial reactions to most of this but once you start adopting some these guidelines you will begin to discover other avenues to begin to live within your means and begin to take the steps required to live a happy and wealthier life.

9) Dress For Success

All too often I see people driving expensive cars, dressing in $1000 outfits and wearing enough jewelry to make Mr. T jealous – yet they don't have a penny saved to their name and enough debt to declare themselves a federal deficit.

If you ask those who've already become millionaires what their lives are like, you might be surprised. I highly recommend the book, "The Millionaire Mind," by Dr. Thomas J. Stanley, author of the best seller "The Millionaire Next Door."  He surveyed nearly 1,000 of the nation's millionaires, and what he found may surprise you.

First, he sorted out those who were "balance-sheet" millionaires and those who simply lived an affluent lifestyle while burdened with debt. Balance-sheet millionaires tended to own their homes without a mortgage, while those who merely lived a wealthy lifestyle carried jumbo loans. Millionaires with assets between $2 million and $5 million live, on average, in homes that are valued at $355,000 (based on the Internal Revenue Service database figures).

The millionaires in his survey tend to have started businesses, and have built their wealth by finding a profitable niche. They tend to love what they do and are motivated by building the business, not by building wealth.

They live comfortable lifestyles, but are not wasteful. In a fascinating example, most of the millionaires in the survey report they buy expensive shoes, but almost all have them resoled. For the most part, they remain married to supportive and responsible spouses who run economically productive households -- from clipping coupons to buying household supplies in bulk.  Bottom line: They spend less than they earn.

When it comes to investments, these millionaires look to the stock market primarily as a place to grow capital once their businesses have matured. They are not speculators in the markets, rarely visit a casino and almost never buy lottery tickets. Of course, you might figure that they don't need to speculate, since they're already wealthy. But perhaps these stable qualities are the reason they got wealthy in the first place.

However, if you put a pair of pantyhose on your head and ask for money – that generally works as well.

10) Live Like No One Else Today

As Dave Ramsey often states:  "If you live like no one else today – you will be able to live like no one else tomorrow."  Rich is good. Retiring that way is easy. You just have to commit to a lifestyle of being financially smart and of being a good saver. This, of course, will cause you to be a sworn enemy of the credit card companies, a villain to the banks and ultimately ostracized by the "Jones'" for not keeping up with them.

But in the end it will be you that is laughing all the way to the bank with a wad of cash in your pocket, an emergency fund in the bank, a steady income from your investments to live on and not a worry in the world.  Now, wasn't the sacrifice in the beginning worth it?

 


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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment CH1
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PROBLEM: The State takes every last scrap of surplus they can.

Living on 60% of what remains after that robbery is all but impossible for many people.

Thrift worked in 1910 - it's a LOT harder now.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Money does not buy happiness. But it is a wonderful stress reliever.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment RuiNsPro
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Money has to be hard. Any soft money is a tool used by the issuers to rob the users.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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Good article.  It's amazing how many people live so far beyond their means.  I have a good frined of mine who literally pays 7X as much rent as I did before buying and is contstantly broke and borrowing money.  I had to catch a ton of flack from my own family for refusing to buy any house that I couldn't pay for in cash.  Fuck debt.  6 figures, no debt, (small) owned home, in my 30's.  life is good.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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right on.  i went debt free over a year ago, modest house and two economical vehicles.  pay off the plastic every month.  buy food in bulk and process my own as much as i can.  i have positioned myself in a manner that i consider fairly well hedged against both inflation and deflation.  life is indeed good, so far as it goes.  if i could unplug from the world completely it would be even better, but alas.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment markovchainey
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Rock on BKBroiler...that's the happy situation we should all be trying for.

Personally, I think this author is nuts...17.5% into your 401(k)...LAME.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment donsluck
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As long as that 401k is focused on PMs, not so lame.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:50 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Quite palying with the false narrative.

Let me list the real top 10 properties of "money":

1. Money is debt

2. Money is debt

3. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

4. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

5. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

6. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

7. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

8. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

9. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

10. Money is debt that exceeds society's ability to repay it because criminals collect interest and hoard it.

Actually, the mechanics are bit more complicated than a top 10 list can support, so they are graphed out here:

Debt Money Tyranny

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 01:40 | Link to Comment mkkby
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Staying out of debt is one way to go.  The other is GO MASSIVELY INTO DEBT and make a high risk/reward investment.  If you lose, default.  Fuck the bankers.  Just don't get student loans.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:51 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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A 401k is lame because it is a contract with a criminal, broke government that is always devising ways to rip off the gullible who think making deals with the government is a good idea.

You don't possess a 401k PM account - and lack of possession will become a problem at some point.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:10 | Link to Comment amusedobserver
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In addition to the fallacy of the "paying yourself back" justification you always hear, he should have added that you're really paying taxes twice on the money you borrow from your 401K.  You're not borrowing from yourself, you're borrowing from the 401K Plan.  Say you borrow $1,000 and you're in the 25% bracket.  Look at the cash flows:

1.  Put $1,000 into the plan with pre-tax dollars:  No Tax.

2.  Borrow $1,000 from plan:  No Tax

3.  Pay back $1,000 with after-tax dollars.  Amount needed to earn to pay back loan:  $1,250.   Taxes paid: $250

4.  Retire and take out $1,000 and get taxed on it.  Taxes paid:  $250    Amount you have left:  $750

5.  Total taxes paid $500 and you get $750 net.

So by borrowing from your 401K you get to pay income tax at the millionaire's rate of 40%.  At least you get something to brag about.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment monkeyboy
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So what is this - Rich Dad, Zerohedge Dad?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I was thinking Suze Ormon, conventional ignorance at it's finest.

Anybody who thinks this article "can't stop you from becoming rich" does not understand central banking.

"Saving" money is only possible within a sound currency regime. What we have today, is but a system of theft, and idiots like this author promote it out of ignorance (hopefully).

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment ultraticum
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Also, owning your own home is a huge myth:  they can arbitrarily quintuple your real estate taxes over a period of just 10 years . . . . I know - it happened to me.  You may THINK you own your own home (even debt free), but you LEASE IT FROM THE COUNTY AT ARBITRARY RENT.  DON'T FORGET THAT.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment donsluck
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Not so in California. I know, everyone hates California.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Hold on there a second.  This article is good advice for many people.  Some really don't have a clue as to how to quit the credit habit.  Really, it's true.  I've met some and we all know others.  The majority of the article was about how to shed debt, and that's always good advice.   Don't be so harsh.  One must attain peace of mind before one can begin to build a future.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:55 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Money is debt - society can't shed debt without collapsing the money supply.

This is Debt Money Tyranny in action.

http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77

Debt slaves borrow their money supply from debt slave masters.

The Gates Foundation is one of the biggest debt slave operations on the planet.

Whatever monetary wealth they hold onto is UNPAYABLE DEBT SOME OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE HAVE SLAVE AWAY AND PAY PERPETUAL INTEREST!

There is no way to pay back that debt because the money required is being held onto by the Gates Foundation.

The Matrix is child's play - real life is many times more Machiavellian.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:55 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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This article also implies "Never take out student loans!"

So let me get this straight: If I am unlikely to make more than $50K per year without a college education, and my parents can't pay for my college education, and since tuition is anywhere from $15K-$40K per year (+ $10K R&B), then If I don't get straight A's in high school, then I'm fucked!?

I love this article, but as long as tuition costs an arm and a leg, keeping yourself out of big debt is extremely difficult.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Hive Raid
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Could've just said BTFD and got a five star trophy for his mantel.

This advice is so 90s. The era has ended. True though about saving, but as half the population makes shit it doesn't add up to much. What's the point of living in poverty just to have a few bucks when you're old and can't enjoy it?

I guess ZH posts these things just so people can rip on them.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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joe makes 100k a year and has no expenses?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Whiteshadowmovement
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Lol, i love how this article noted successful people tend to "almost" never buy lotto tickets...

Much of the rest of it read like a mix between that SNL sketch w/ steve martin: "Dont buy stuff you cant afford" and that guy who used to do those infomercials in his clown suit of qyestion marks yelling about all the free money his book will unlock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex14LPgWehs

http://www2.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=10258

+1 this if you remember this guy... I vote for him as next president

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:21 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand junkers, maybe more
People junking without speaking....

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Whiteshadowmovement
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lol, fuck 'em...

 

tell me this guy doesnt crack you the fuck up...I miss this guy, he was way ahead of his time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPC3mLNL3B0

"$15,000 to write a novel!"

"$9,000 to take a computers calss!"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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I am going to see if that number still works.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Whiteshadowmovement
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"Call him, you have nothing to lose! And a whole new life to gain!!!"

 

"...and those who know about the programs are the ones who get the money!!!

"I got $25,000 from the Federal Government"

"I got $30,000 from the government!"

"...but I was able to get monies (sic) for my business to buy equipment"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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This article is wrong on so many levels that it is hard to know where to start. This writer has absolutely no clue what he is talking about when it comes to money. His topic doesn't touch on a single role of money; he talks about human behavior, not the properties of money.

Problem: as you suggesti s a taxation issue. The issue is, how you are taxed? Other than the obvious direct theft by government Fractional Reserve rights (counterfeiting rights) which have been bestowed upon modern banks, therby diluting your savings, is another hidden tax.: Inflation is a tax on your savings. The government has legislated these rights into existence and the judiciary have given them protection, allowing the practice to continue un-opposed. Legal sanction to counterfeit your savings. That is; a law for them and a law for you.

Recind fractional reserve banking laws. End the Fed.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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This article cherry picks on so many levels it is not worth the effort debunking it.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:31 | Link to Comment donsluck
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Whining won't help you. You have to play the cards you have.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Go ahead, bury your head in the sand. They'll just use your exposed ass a a bike rack.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:16 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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While telling people to get rid of credit card debt is all well and good, you're right that he misses out a detail or two.

Also, there's this common error:

The average family of four has $100,000 of debt between mortgages, credit cards, car loans, etc. That means that 50% of all families have even more than that in debt.

No, not necessarily.  He's thinking of the median -- the middle value in a sorted series.  Now, technically the median is a type of average; but when you say "average", most people are thinking of the mean.  (If nine families had only $10,000 of debt each, and one had $910,000, the mean is still $100,000, but the median is $10,000.)

A minor point, but it suggests a degree of innumeracy which is a bit worrying coming from someone who's presuming to give out financial advice.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Very good suggestions for slaves! Thrift for a single male means 90% of earnings saved or he better grow weed and lay back.

Counting taxes as needs instead of wants gave it away,
sheeple herding instructions. If you pay taxes you are doing something wrong, only VICES are taxed, so slow down.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment clara-to-market
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Money makes the world go round.

The world go round.

The world go round.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/02/yesterday-we-went-to-pizza-hut-for.html

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Stares straight...
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Last night dragon lady served me up a dirty sanchez....

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment My Days Are Get...
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When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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When the going gets tough, the tough get FREEBIES.

The author makes it all SO HARD: Be frugal, spend less than you make, drive a clunker, don't borrow money from Guido and Vincenzo, don't eat out at expensive restaurants, have beans and rice three times a week and those are the ONLY MEALS YOU ARE ALLOWED! How much fun is that?

I have a suggestion: Lose your job, sit on your assets at home, drink beer and collect 99 weeks of unemployment, sign up for EBT & SNAP benefits, apply for SSDI (get a good lawyer!) and have Doritos and Grolsch for supper as often as you like. Need to talk to your lazy unemployed welfare bum friends? Get an Obama Phone--it's your birthright as a Poor Person By Choice. Don't forget to vote for more free T-bones and Supreme 5-Cheese Pizzas with Sausage, Pepperoni and Anchovies.

If you need cash for lottery tickets, go to the store and spend all your SNAP benefits for Delmonico steaks. Sell these around your neighborhood for half price and Voila! You can win the lottery and buy as much cigarettes and liquor as your lifestyle requires.

If this doesn't work out, you can get an Obama Student Loan and go back to school to learn how to turn Sudafed into popular recreational compounds that people will pay you handsomely for. All it takes is a little drive and persistence.  And a lot of sheep willing to pay for your lifestyle.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:39 | Link to Comment moonstears
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lmao crucible, good stuff, man.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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"PROBLEM: The State takes every last scrap of surplus they can.

Living on 60% of what remains after that robbery is all but impossible for many people.

Thrift worked in 1910 - it's a LOT harder now."

 

Bull hockey. Try living like a typical middle class 1910 family and see what you save (no car, no air conditioning, no TV, no radio, no eating out unless invited to a relative's for Sunday dinner, rented house or apartment, plenty of good food to eat (no junk food) and warm clothes to wear, buy only clothes and furniture built to last).

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:36 | Link to Comment CH1
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Bull hockey. Try living like a typical middle class 1910 family and see what you save (no car, no air conditioning, no TV, no radio, no eating out unless invited to a relative's for Sunday dinner, rented house or apartment, plenty of good food to eat (no junk food) and warm clothes to wear, buy only clothes and furniture built to last).

Wow, you really need to read some history. Real history, that is, not school books or political bullshit. Maybe some old newspapers would be a good start.

Here's a helpful exercies: Make a list of things that were invented between 1870 and 1910.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Vooter
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"Here's a helpful exercies: Make a list of things that were invented between 1870 and 1910."

Well, in 1910, there were only 5.07 automobiles per 1,000 people. The first primitive radio broadcasting station was built in 1909, and the first radio programming didn't appear until 1916. And the first residential air conditioner didn't hit the market until 1928. So, he's right--in 1910, automobiles, air conditioning, radio and obviously TV were NOT a part of the typical middle-class American family home.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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lol wallstreeters who sit at the feeding troph of printed fiat telling the sheeple to save and live within their means.

 

the real secret to wealth:

Bribe everyone you can

Get insider information

Be a banker

Get friends in washington to throw over-priced contracts your way

Get friends in washington to pass laws that will put your competition out of business

Get the State to pay your expenses and let you keep the profits.

Fire as many people as possible

Exploit the people you keep

Step on the heads of those beneath you

Keep your mouth shut

Collect interest first, then collect collateral when they have nothing left to pay the principal.

and the GOLDEN RULE, Never Pay Taxes EVER.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Joe Kennedy approves this post

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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Its just such a joke when they tell people to sit there and behave like good little sheep and to save for a rainy day, when they make it rain shit every fucking day.

 

Titanium shit proof umbrellas are fucking expensive and the smell is starting to get really bad.

 

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lokckfWyoO1qafrh6.gif

 

 

My favorite part :Get another job to pay down your debts HAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FUCKING MORON, IF YOUR BROKE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE WHY PAY DEBTS? they aren't even real debts everyfucking time you swipe a credit card new fiat is fractionally created out of nothing, if its made of nothing I owe fucking nothing!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Solon the Destroyer
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The main themes of the article are true whether you are living in a Fiat world or a Gold world:

Wealth comes from savings.

Over-spending consumes wealth.

I can't see why any true old-school Liberal, or Gold bug, or Austrian, or Libertarian would have any issue with the themes of this article.

And sitting around whining about the present state of the world and how difficult it is to work on the two themes I have reiterated above only demonstrates to everyone that blows through here the lack of personal accountability in that whiner's life.

The world is what it is.  Sure we can work to change it, and do, but in the meantime find a way to save wealth and protect your future and your family.  And preferably save and preserve that wealth in Gold coins.

But just sittin' around and whinin' about the evils that envelop us will only end in personal misery.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:10 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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What is so hard to understand the impossibility of saving wealth by saving dollars? You hold dollars, you get robbed by Benron, who loans the to the fed critters to spend against you.

This stuff is NOT hard to understand. Fiat is crime. Which is something understood by any true old-school Liberal, or Gold bug, or Austrian, or Libertarian.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Solon the Destroyer
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Where do you see me saying "save in fiat currencies"?  .

And before you can save in PMs, you have to spend less than what you earn.

You're right this stuff is NOT hard to understand. Except by you apparently.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:50 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Now why you gotta get all uppity!

I'd say that the fiat view is expressed "within the themes of the article" you said we all should understand.

So, what you just did, was to ignore the underlying premise of the article, claim how great it was despite this incoherence, then wonder why the rest of us are so damned dumb in complaining about it.

In other words, it's a typical "half-baked" idea that is presented a wholly coherent. Remember, the author stated that this idea cannot stop you from becoming rich.

Just because the author makes some good points in no way excuses his ignorance in giving out such dangerous advice. Anyone who saves dollars is unwittingly aiding and abetting the enemy, the CBs.

If you think I've blown it out of proportion, just wait until all of those petrodollar holders send the paper crap back over here. Then we'll see the regime have to scramble as their crime unfolds.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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I stated above that there are people who can benefit from the credit reducing suggestions.  Yeah, there is a BIG problem with fiat currency, government/industry/banking raping of the economy, and all that stuff.  But regular folks who (ignorantly) find themselves drowning in debt can't do anything to improve their lot in life.  The suggestions could work if implemented rigorously.  THEN they can tackle the systemic problems as you lay out.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Casey Stengel
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The purpose of the article was to show you how you can save enough fiat dollars to buy some PM's. I followed  his advice about debt for the last 20 years and now I own the farm and rental properties. It really helped that I have a wife who bought into this lifestyle also. We set financial goals and acheived them.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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Save a penny to buy gum, walk to store, gum now costs 2 pennies, go back home, work save two pennies, walk back to store, gum now costs 3 pennies, go back home save, go back to store now 4 pennies.

 

Eventually the rat stuck in the maze will figure out saving pennies is not the way to go.

 

You can save gold, You can save silver.

Save Fiat? its not worth it.

 

Rich people don't save money, they get into shit-loads of debt and get bailouts, thats the secret to wealth.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Pareto
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I agree.  There are a million events and privelages working against savers that this author never mentions, but, that most ZH'ers have.  But, its still, nevertheless, true.  In the end, however that turns out, you can't retire if you don't have any fucking money/assets to retire on.  Plain and simple.  All the shinannigans in the world do not change this fact, though, they make it harder for people to save.

For me its pretty straightforward.  I had the benefit (if i can call it that) of watching somebody really close to me, die a popper - not because he never worked, he worked all the time - but, because he never saved.  I think he knew what he was supposed to do, but, could never execute.  I really don't think he understood how to manage his money, yet he knew there is never a free lunch.

The point is, when you stop working, in the absence of any retirement savings, your life style is rapidly and severely diminished.  Yes government takes too much (yeah i'm working on fixing that by sheltering some of my income), yes the government prints too much and debases the currency and punishes savers by stealth (yeah i'm working on that too - diversifying to PMs), and yes shit costs too much (yeah i'm working on that too - wife knows price spreads on a jar of peanut butter better than traders at COMEX on gold).  But, at the end of the day, if all I do is bitch about it, and then just go on pretending that its all going to be ok "hey kid you won the big one" type thing, then this action too will have consequences.

There is a ton of shit I want to do, or, would like to do in my life, for sure.  Damn it, everybody ought to be able to experience those things, whatever those things happen to be.  But, I can tell you what I don't EVER want to experience, and that is wondering how my rent is going to be paid, food is going to be paid, etc., when I am 85 and nobody gives a fuck about me.  That, more than anything scares the absolute shit out of me most....more than anything.  So even though there's the government with their foot on your neck, doesn't entitle one with the right to say "fuck it".  Because when your 85, nobody's going to give a shit about you, your past, your obstacles, etc.  Your retirement, in the end after all is said and done, is your problem and only your problem.  cheers ZH'ers.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment donsluck
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I distill your post down to this, "execute". I was a big fan of the Don Juan novels by Carlos Castaneda. One big theme (other than the constant tripping) was "a warrior acts". Don Juan was not concerned with appearance, only action, focused with the warriors "unbending intent".

Now I am working in my garden (February is spring in California). My unbending intent is to successfully grow the spring lettuce, cabbages, peas etc.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment recidivist
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Death comes from the left...and a warrior only eats two mouthfuls of food at a time. 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:00 | Link to Comment Tedster
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"But I can tell you what I don't ever want to experience ..., etc, when I'm 85."

Exactly. This is where family comes in, or used to anyway. If one has no family, better have a big ole' pile o money.

With a jaundiced eye towards history, back in the 80s and 90s, (while mostly did stupid things with my money) I did ponder the nature of money (not to mention people, and government) and finally surmised that despite whatever nonsense is foisted in the next 50 years a silver dollar ought to pretty much still buy a big plate of eggs and potatos and juice and coffee and steak and such. The peace of mind, the intangible benefit, may be best of all. While I couldn't and didn't go all LaVere Redfield, holding a percentage of wealth in a portable, analog form just makes sense, if only for a good night's sleep.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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Timmy Geitner in da house. Welcome Timmah!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:59 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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Pay attention to Dre4dwolf.  My only criticism is that he mispelled "puppets" as "friends".

Otherwise spot on.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Get (Another) Job.

no thanks. One is too many.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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I clicked on the title thinking this would be "qualities that money should have" like non-perishable, verifiable, divisable, storable, portable, finite quantity and quality, proofable, etc.  Very disappointed.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:11 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Sounds like you already know everything you need to in that department already.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Almost impossible to make an honest living and pay all the bills.....the math just doesnt add up

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment bugfixx
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You need to SPEND EVERYTHING you earn.  Acquire and own things of real value debt-free rather than accumulate soon to be worthless fiat promises to pay you later.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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Thats not true, the fiat doesn't "promises to pay you later", the notes aren't redeemable for anything =/

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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funny, I have been redeeming it for many things lately.  Physical things of real value that is.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 04:09 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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yes everything turns upside down when they do the same

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment RebelDevil
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(and during inflation) - GOLD & SILVER

The people who dumped their savings in gold and silver over the last 2 decades would be somewhat wealthy right now.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Agstacker
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The next time you get an offer from a credit card company, simply shred the application that has your name on it and mail back an empty envelope, they have to pay postage.  

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment chistletoe
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better yet, tape it to a brick and mail the brick.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:27 | Link to Comment recidivist
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I had a friend that did that -- he would put his return address prominently on the brick wrapped in brown paper with their postage prepaid label..he said they would only send him the offers once, it cut right down on the volume of junk mail he got.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Yer supposed to fill the envelope with the shredded paper (sans personal info).

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment trendybull459
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professor [kostpa] 10.01.2013 10:08 ?????:

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???????-??????? ? ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????. ??????? ??????, ????? ? ?????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ????????? ? ??????????... ??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? - ??? ?????? ?????? ?????. ????????????????????, ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ????????????... ?? ?????????? ? ??? ? ??? ???????????? ? ????, ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ????????? ?? ??????? - ?????????? ???????????? ? ???????. ????? ??????? ????????? ? ??????? ??????????????? ? ??????? ????????? ? ??. ? ??????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????? - ???????????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ? ???????. ? ? ????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? - ??? ????????? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? ....New World Order,how to prapare yourself,what to do and what to expect(in russian)

 to be continued here

http://trendybull777.blog.com/2013/02/12/world-new-orderin-russianwhat-to-expect-from-future/

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:12 | Link to Comment BigJim
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You think question marks grow on trees? What a waste of pixels.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Zola
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I think it is Time for the Ultimate Hitler video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJFW7-hyWpE

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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None of this bullshit applies to Lords Blankfein, Bernanke and Hussein-Obama.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment RationalPrepper
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Thought this was a decent list, most of which people already "know."  It's inaction that is the problem.  But then I came across this: "Let the kids go public..."  No thanks - endoctrinated kids capable only of group thought has sunk costs and misery associated with it.  If you must, the author is correct - you must work with them at home.  However, the public school system, in its current form, as allowed parents to abrogate their responsibility to educate their children.  And they fill the kids with mush brains.  But at least they eat well - Thanks Michelle O.

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment trendybull459
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???????????? ????? ??????????????, ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ? ???????. ? ? ????? ? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? – ??? ????????? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????????? ??????? ??? ????????? – ? ??? ????? ? ?????. ? ??????????? ???????? ????????? – ??????????? ????, ??????????? ??????? ????????? – ??? ? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????, ?????? ? ???????… ?????? ??????????? ????? ??????? – ????? “??????? ????” ??????? ????? 1937 ??? – ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ? ??????, ?????????? ? ????????? ? ?????????? ? ???????????? (??? ??? ????? ?? ????????, ???????, ???????…). ???????? ??????? ?????? – ????? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ???????? ????… ??????????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ????????? ? ???????? ??????. ????????? ???????????? ????????, ??????? ????????…....New World Order,how to prapare yourself,what to do and what to expect(in russian)

 to be continued here

http://trendybull777.blog.com/2013/02/12/world-new-orderin-russianwhat-to-expect-from-future/

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:43 | Link to Comment chistletoe
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you can have all the wealth that you want, if you really want it.

 

you can have all the happiness that you want, if you really want it.

 

but not both.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Korrath
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Here, let me slim down your article for you by paraphrasing Marie Antoinette

"The peasants are starving?  You silly middle-class fuckers should all go eat cake."

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the secret to wealth is a lot like the rumor to poverty. Mostly bullshit pushed by an agenda.

 

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment davidsmith
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Another little sophomoric, ill-informed sermon from ZH.  STOP POSTING THIS DRIVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment AldoHux_IV
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While I agree money management makes sense, I don't agree with his overall philosophy on money and abiding by the system. Any deeper thought will tell you that the system is flawed inasmuch as the money managment of money. It's why we have the cluster fuck of mess we're currently in: knowing we need to change, but having faith the system works and so it's a matter of tweaking this or that when imho the whole shit stinks 6 ways from Sunday. Money management will always be as necessary as common sense, but the current money system is a debt laden slave trade and is as impermanent as any other fraud.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment nightshiftsucks
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Too late now,all the markets have been ruined. Might as well live it up and have  a good time while it still can be had.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:13 | Link to Comment Whiteshadowmovement
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment FoodStampPrez
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I'm all about saving something for "retirement", but which are you going to enjoy more? A $3,000 vacation with your hot wife/girlfriend at age 30 or a $7,500 vacation with your saggy wrinkled balls when you are 70?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment balz
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Bro, when you'll be 70 you'll have more fun sharing lifelong memories with your wife than whatever you could do at 30.

Life changes.

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment bg6666
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Now, if you would like to sell your own possessions Huston now requires that you are fingerprinted and have a mug shot taken.

http://dailybail.com/home/red-alert-the-gold-police-have-arrived.html

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:03 | Link to Comment Renfield
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How the hell does this not make a ZH headline?

Scariest news I've heard all week. Not unexpected, but dreaded by me. As the criminal government moves to make peasant ownership of PMs illegal, and begins to try tracking us down, how do we continue to buy? Do we have to stay away from dealers if (when) this becomes a trend, and rely only on black market?

I'm disappointed in Texas. I would have expected this in California or Illinois or hell even one of the New England "blue" states before I'd have expected it in Texas. Thought Texans still had at least some idea of liberty, autonomy, property rights. Guess I was wrong.

I don't think this is going to stay in Houston. So when it comes to my town, then what?

Been stacking up as much as I can for lo these last seven years or so, but it isn't anywhere close to enough.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:16 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Have you considered taking up boating?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:23 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Wow...really? In fact in the USA there are only TWO "rules of money" dip shit. "If the lawyer doesn't Phuck you out of your then the doctor will." and that's it! In other words "there's a reason why the USA (until 2013) never had a government health insurance option" and that reason was to make all Americans decide (not surpringly) the "money or your life" question." in short "to go bankrupt is to be an American." this is why bailing out banks is TOTAL INSANITY.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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Tough crowd.

The point is, spend less than you make. The rest, whatever.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:43 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Sho 'nuff.  I think a lot of those here who are so critical may be stooped by a heavy load of debt.  Anyone suggesting self-imposed austerity is seen as the enemy.  It's easier to trash decent suggestions than actually DO anything about it.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Haloween1
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In today's economy, only a fool would hew to these prescriptions of personal financial management.

Better to spend all one's income and more, get as deeply into debt as one possibly can, renege on that debt, live in one's house until thrown out due to foreclosure, whine that it's all somebody else's fault and go on the dole.  Let the idiots who saved and sacrificed bail you out by stripping them of all income on their savings and investments.

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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I admire people who follow these prudent practices, as do I. The problem is, these are precisely the people who are being robbed daily by the corruption and financial malpractice of Wall Street, the government, and the reckless. The real challenge today is avoiding the influence on your life of the irresponsible.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Acidtest Dummy
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I heard that many Chinese believe that wealth flows from access to power more than from hard work or risk taking behavior. I heard that most wealthy people got that way from having a well paying job and working it for a long time. (Second place went to inheritence.) And we know only gold is money.

      Add it up -- best way to become wealthy is open a mortuary and steal the dead's precious dental  prosthetics. QED

       We should also PROSECUTE THE WAR CRIMINALS!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Banjo
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Makes sense. SPEND LESS THAN YOU EARN. Over decades not just a week or two.

Work towards skilling up so you can get better paid work or even start your own business.

The millionaires are the ones that run business there is scope for tax advantages deductions for stuff that you buy e.g. cell phone, computers, insurances etc.. can become tax deductable.

 

The worst off with no hope is the min wage working sap.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:19 | Link to Comment FecundaGoat
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My wife and I saved and invested at least 25% for thirty years....Now we have 5 homes, get three rent checks, and a have huge 401Ks....I'm 48 and we are retiring this year!!

That rising net worth always felt better to us than mindless spending...We still had great times!!

Let me tell ya....We are very happy now!!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Vooter
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Can I come over?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Cosimo de Medici
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The secret?  Get born well, and I don't mean inheritance.  The fact is, just about everything is set by virtue of the birth lottery.  Everybody loves to rip Obama a new one for his "you didn't build that" line, but the harsh reality is that what a white male with a decent IQ and born in the US can do, relative to a female born in rural Bangladesh, are light years apart.  Humility.

The second thing is that nobody---not Keynesians, not Austrians---nobody can really explain how an economy works.  Take a finite planet, add a potentially almost infinite number of people, strive toward efficiency, and a whole lot of somebodies get left out along the way with neither purpose nor opportunity.  There is an end point, a limit, and as a species we reached it.  Imagine where China would be today if twenty or thirty years ago America decided to neither go into debt nor accumulate unnecessary "stuff".  There wouldn't be two high-rises in Shanghai and Rolls Royce wouldn't have a dozen dealerships from Beijing to Kunming.

The whole world, save for a few sad places in Africa, is dressed for the party but there is no punch in the bowl.  I cut back, you lose.  You cut back, I lose.  Three steps forward, two (maybe three) steps back.  That is the best theory I can come up with on how an "economy" works.  Set some seedcorn aside on the rise, eat it on the decline, or better yet, time your span to coincide only with the rise part.  Anybody alive today caught the inflection point.  The bad one.  Now we see who really has survival skill.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:02 | Link to Comment eaglefalcon
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Bravo!!! This makes a crapload of common horse sense. Have you ever wonder how people get fat? It ain't because they suffer from depression, it ain't because they were born with metabolic deficiencies, it ain't because their dietary habit is unscientific, it ain't because supermarkets and junk food joints conspire to pump their weight up. Fat people are fat because they eat more than they poop!

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that, in order to get rich, you've got to make more than you spend

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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No, there’s plenty of other reasons, one of which is hormone (endocrine) disruption. When poisoned foods, be it water supply or additives to food regulate your hormones incorrectly you can NOT burn the fat & you will store more fat than you should. The precious chemistry of life is being destroyed before your very eyes by big pharma & big industry poisoning.

You probably have no idea how many birth control pills you've ingested through your on-grid water-supply. And you have no idea how that will affect your metabolism.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:52 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Plato

"Love of wealth wholly absorbs men and never for a moment allows them to think of anything but their own private possessions; on this, the soul of every citizen hangs suspended."

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:33 | Link to Comment Slartibartfast
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"Money – we all want it, but few of us are willing to sacrifice to get it"

 

Productive capital: an individual willing to sacrifice to succeed.

Non-productive capital: a corporate entity happily sacrificing others in order to succeed.

 

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:34 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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Sweet advice I am short FICO.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:37 | Link to Comment gbresnahan
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You can always recover lost money, you can never recover lost time.  time > money

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