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Dorner's Last Stand - Live Webcast

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It appears that the authorities have finally caught up with the infamous LAPD vigilante, who is now engaged in a shoot out with the police in the Big Bear area. Follow his last stand at the following CBS newsfeed live. A separate stream from the inland CHP can be found here.

To those joining in now, here is what you've missed:

A person believed to be the fugitive ex-Los Angeles cop sought in three killings exchanged gunfire with authorities in the San Bernardino Mountains on Tuesday, a law-enforcement official said on condition of anonymity.


The officer requested anonymity because the officer was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.


It's believed Christopher Dorner committed a residential burglary of a cabin where a couple was tied up, the officer said. One of the people was able to get away and make a call.


Authorities responded to the location and gave chase when the burglar fled in a stolen car. Gunfire was exchanged.


The area is in the Big Bear region where a search for Mr. Dorner has been under way since his pickup truck was found there Thursday.


A KCAL-TV reporter in the Angelus Oaks area along Highway 38 reported gunfire in his vicinity. The noise of the gunbattle was broadcast by the station, whose reporter suddenly found himself near the fight. Someone could be heard yelling at the reporter to get out of the area.


Road blocks are up around Big Bear.

From CBS LA:



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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:19 | 3238274 mercenaryomics
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He probably has few or none right now, but I'm sure he'll have dozens of them plus plenty of assault rifles he just forgot to use after this is over. 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:10 | 3238676 e_goldstein
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but, but that would be illegal in Kalifornia.

Bet he had a collection of scissors that makes Big Sis blush.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:26 | 3238068 HANKREARDON

Waco anyone?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:26 | 3238070 bigdumbnugly
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well, with every l.a. cop and sherriff on the scene here i wonder if there's a mini crime wave going on downtown.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:34 | 3238103 ebworthen
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"Hey look, no one's gaurdin' the liquor store!"

"Sale on home electronics!"

"Pharmacy is open!"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:38 | 3238360 El Oregonian
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well, with every l.a. cop and sherriff on the scene here i wonder if there's a mini crime wave going on downtown.

Well yeaahhh, With all the cops up at Big Bear there are none avaible to commit mini crime waves downtown...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:27 | 3238071 flapdoodle
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It really doesn't matter if its Dorner or not. They will claim it is and the body will be burned/riddled-with-bullets/undergoe-rapture and never be found or never shown in an open coffin.

Mission Accomplished!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3238308 machineh
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Osama bin Dorner ... buried at sea.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:42 | 3238374 lakecity55
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:27 | 3238074 howenlink
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"Big Bear school district remains in lockdown."


That'll solve it!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:43 | 3238149 Coldsun
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The kids are safe, after all it's a gun free zone!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:30 | 3238315 machineh
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Why don't they make it a bear free zone too?

Those things are dangerous to kids!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:28 | 3238078 youngman
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I loved the prank call....the press is hyping this up real we should have another wacko next week to keep us entertained...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:28 | 3238081 Bastiat
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This could go on for a day or two. Once they have him locked down they will try to talk with him somehow.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:37 | 3238123 GolfHatesMe
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Hopefully it goes on through the State of the Union.  What will the press do?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:31 | 3238320 machineh
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:23 | 3238504 francis_sawyer
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Fake punt

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:44 | 3238152 Taffy Lewis
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No, Bastiat, they want this guy dead so that he can't talk. The cops have already killed an innocent guy driving a pickup truck, and 2 Asian chicks in a truck delivering newspapers - there is complete disregard for civilians.

I can't remember the name of the movie that I saw recently with the skinny white cop that wanted to do the right thing against the evil other cops. Hard core.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:32 | 3238083 jack stephan
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This is junk food for the brains. It's filler, fodder. Whatever. Look, just build it to the interview, okay? Keep saying that word, "Live lnterview with Wayne Gaalle!!!!"

Sorry I had to.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:27 | 3238518 Smiley
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"Repetition works, David."

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:32 | 3238091 Stud Duck
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CNN is running a live feed, or something like it right now!
CNN says he is barracked in a cabin.

LAPD probably not get in on the action.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:33 | 3238098 Rustysilver
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This doesn't look good for the police. 15+ vehicles and how many personnel against one guy. And you guys are worried that government will confiscated your PM.  I don't  think there are enough police or cars to do it in one state.

CT got 36+ inches of snow from blizzard Charlotte.  They are bringing National Guard to dig out my town. People are using snow blower to clear the street that have not been plowed.  Oh yeah, the government is READY.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:47 | 3238164 IridiumRebel
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I dug my street out in Bridgeport with the neighbors. Seeing that "We don't need the fuckin city!" Look in their faces was worth the three hour dig. Great post!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:17 | 3238264 Big Corked Boots
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You live in Bridgeport? OMG. My condolences.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:45 | 3238101 Jason T
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send Dorner's "Sam Trutman"..



Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:35 | 3238112 Dr. Engali
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Where is the live feed of Obama and team in the situation room?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:52 | 3238177 ebworthen
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Just watch Obummer milk this for gun control, even though it's a former military member and cop.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:58 | 3238201 NemoDeNovo
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Tonight is the State of the Banana Republic Speech, the Irony is not lost on me.


"Its NOT a Conspiracy Theory...Its a BUSINESS Plan" ~ Nemo

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:36 | 3238118 Zarba
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"The name's Pliskin. But you can call me 'Snake'."

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:37 | 3238120 orangegeek
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So where are the fucking drones?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:37 | 3238124 youngman
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the Fish and Wildlife guys know they are on National news now..this will go on for days...." we have to win this one for the grouper"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:41 | 3238138 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That pun was so bad it is was good.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:34 | 3238337 machineh
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If Clinton were still president, we'd have to 'win it for the groper.'

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:18 | 3238694 jimmytorpedo
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Is this why the Fish And Wildlife guys got 70 million hollow points from DHS for?

He sure will have a lot of holes in him for his burial at sea.

He'll sink for sure.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:38 | 3238130 stant
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lapd inter gang fued

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:41 | 3238140 blindman
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to date, not one bit of evidence revealed to the
public implicating the suspect other than a digital
"manifesto". new world order run by the media.
trust no media, trust no man in the dis-information
new world age.
Grateful Dead Oakland Stadium 7 24 87 View from the Vault 4
from the vault the dead.
what is really happening/happened?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:43 | 3238150 catacl1sm
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I was just thinking the same thing earlier today. They don't want to arrest him, they want to kill him. The proof is in how they shot the newspaper ladies in the blue truck and then rammed and shot at a guy in a silver truck. He's pretty much guilty without a trial.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:59 | 3238202 blindman
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listen to the ""gun battle" recorded earlier". two voices
and hundreds of rounds fired. who fired all those rounds
and how many hit a target/ person(not the legal definition of
person)? how did that happen? were there 10 or twenty officers
present when the one said " you ..." and the suspect said "me..?" ?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:06 | 3238226 Jason T
Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:55 | 3238416 blindman
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exactly! where is this recording from? who made it
and why was it released immediately? wtf? exactly !
how long till it is revealed to be a recreation? or fake?
or is ..... wtf? who could have recorded this? who would
have? "wtf is this?"
comment: it is theater and show and fucking bullshit any way
you look at it, gangnam/california style.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:17 | 3239822 Clashfan
Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:38 | 3239857 blindman
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Gun battle with wanted ex-cop - caught on tape
here at second 42 the verbal exchange but there is
no response of "me..?" just garble and gunfire.
looks like some one did a shootout mix of the audio.
now ,to the infowars link.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:24 | 3238510 blindman
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the house is now on fire//
set either " by the suspect or inadvertently
by the officers.." abc live reporting.
more sad developments unfolding at this time.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:42 | 3238142 Meatballs
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How I hate these media pukes. Have nothing? Make shit up and blather. Headline on the video: Suspect 'attacked' 2 people in home. You know what? If he attacked them, they'd be dead. Fucking blathering idiots.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:43 | 3238144 are we there yet
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Where is Charlie Sheen when we need him.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:44 | 3238151 falak pema
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humphrey bogart : high sierra; he was a gangster in that. 

La grande évasion (1941) - IMDb

Didn't end well.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:46 | 3238157 thedrickster
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Maybe out of the cabin, oh shit

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:50 | 3238170 youngman
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Is it.......Uncle Tom´s Ccabin????......I had to bring race into it..makes it more multicutural..

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:49 | 3238165 NemoDeNovo
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"OVER, Nothing is OVER 'til we dicide it is!!  Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:55 | 3238189 falak pema
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Yes those Japs bombed Guernica and occupied France. Then they met Rambo in Stalingrad shoot out.

Thats when Rommel won the war and we all made peace at Nuremberg. 

Now Il Duce runs Italy. 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:52 | 3238175 chunga
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Local police scanner - I can't get it to play.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:53 | 3238178 youngman
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I wonder if Bob Dylan will write a 17 minute song about would be easy because Dorner rhymes with a lot of words...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:15 | 3238256 e_goldstein
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Why would he? Dylan sold out years ago.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:53 | 3238179 Totentänzerlied
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The ABC feed is showing a stop & search vehicle checkpoint - with weapons drawn. How many 4th amendment complaints do you think they'll receive? I'm going with none.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:53 | 3238180 ForTheWorld
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I believe this is appropriate for the situation...

Townes Van Zandt - Pancho & Lefty -

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:55 | 3238187 Black Markets
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I'm glad we don't have guns in the UK. 


Thank fuck we don't have to put up with lunatics taking innocent people hostage every other day of the fucking week.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:57 | 3238199 Sparkling Wiggles
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Your police aren't armed? 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:59 | 3238203 Black Markets
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Nope, nobody has any guns so why would they need to be? So they could shoot up innocent people delivering pizza?


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:04 | 3238223 thedrickster
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Ah-ha, the guns of Brixton

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:05 | 3238224 Black Markets
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BB guns don't count.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:33 | 3238333 SilverIsKing
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How would they stop a guy wielding a machete in a heavily populated area?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:47 | 3238393 Black Markets
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Stroll up to him and spray mace in face.


Sit down dickhead.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:10 | 3238631 Iocosus
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How about your military? That's why we have guns.

Now back to the horsemeat.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:16 | 3238936 Buckaroo Banzai
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You don't know the first fucking thing about mace, or how to use it.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:37 | 3238350 Teamtc321
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Do double sharp scissors and knee pad's so you can crawl under your desk?

When in doubt, make sure you pull the garbage can behind you to block the intruder's view of plumbers ass crack. 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:20 | 3239829 Clashfan
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No guns in Britain? When they kick at your front door, then, how you gonna come?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:13 | 3238253 Strom
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They should probably ban knives next.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:27 | 3238302 Evil Bugeyes
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Once they were dead he threw a fragmentation grenade towards their bodies and then drove to Hyde police station, Greater Manchester, to hand himself in.

And fragmentation grenades. Not to mention sticks and stones. And unhappy thoughts.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:48 | 3238396 seek
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They already have. People have faced jail time for having butter knives in their car's glove compartment.

A few years ago there was a call to ban ownership of steak knives in the home as well:

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:44 | 3239402 e_goldstein
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But if they do that, then how will they cut their donkey-meat steaks?


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3238309 Sparkling Wiggles
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Guess this must be a picture of one of your cops holding some sort of sexual device.


Can I get one that runs off 110V or would I need some sort of adapter?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:17 | 3238478 syntaxterror
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Who needs guns in a country filled with tax-loving sheep desperate for the latest news on what the Royal Family uses for toilet paper?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:01 | 3238209 My Days Are Get...
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The Royals and the Bankers own you folks in the UK - how are you going to take your country back

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:08 | 3238234 Black Markets
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Take our country back?


Our Royals are in Afghanistan fighitng the Taliban (where are your senators kids?), we nationalised all but 2 of our banks and I can cross the street without the Police shooting at me.


We are twenty years ahead of you.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:16 | 3238262 GubbermintWorker
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Baaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaa, black sheep, have you any wool?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:42 | 3238371 machineh
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'Our Royals are in Afghanistan fighitng the Taliban.'

You pathetic lot got booted from Afghanistan in 1880. Same result this time.

Too many royals, not enough subjects.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:45 | 3238383 The Swedish Chef
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Aren´t your lot, pathetic or not, being booted from Afghanistan as we speak?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:46 | 3238387 Black Markets
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Too many royals, not enough subjects.


Like I say, we're twenty years ahead of you. Let me know when the presidents kids are behind enemy lines.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:26 | 3238713 jimmytorpedo
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B Markets, you obviously no longer (if ever) lived in the UK.

Forst of all, DIana's bastard son goes to A'stan with an extra batllion to watch his ass.

You have stabbings, pushed in front of trains, kcked to death, brutal non gun murders every year,..

Twenty years ahead in tax cow slave status.

Anti-gun shill, who do you work for?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:28 | 3239597 Teamtc321
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There are "Anti-Gun" planted nut sacks all over the net. Probably some Soros spun off fund feeding these fucking rat's. At a earned dime a post, the gun grabbing rat's are eating up some band width that is for sure.

I stay pretty political with them, I tell them to FUCK OFF!! Fucking Rat's!!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:38 | 3239660 Archduke
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Perpetuating the proud noble norman tradition of the bastard sons taking up ams and plundering for the family's good name and fortune.

I suppose Thacther's son commandeering a private mercenary army to conquer his own african banana republic fits that model as well?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:08 | 3238233 GubbermintWorker
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Don't worry, all of you are already hostages.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:29 | 3238312 Black Markets
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Being a hostage is not something I have to worry about.


No such asymetrical situation is possible in a society without guns.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:34 | 3238339 GubbermintWorker
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Even though, overall, you pay more taxes to your overlords than we do?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:39 | 3238365 Black Markets
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Yeah the US has a better economic system than we do. In fact the US has the best economic system in the world.

Most opportunities and low taxes. That's why it's so ironic to see people blaming "the system". The system is the best in the world.



If you can't make it in America you can't make it anywhere.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:35 | 3238552 syntaxterror
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Then why is everything Made in China?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:31 | 3239349 blindman
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that was a special kind of funny! depends on
your definition of the term "make it". turn
of a phrase , well turned!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:43 | 3239684 SilverRhino
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>>No such asymetrical situation is possible in a society without guns.

You don't live in a society without guns.  The criminals have all of the guns in your society.   So yes, you do have the rare worry of being someone's hostage.   Why?   Because YOU don't have a gun with which to defend your own life.  

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:18 | 3238271 401-Kulak
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WTF you talking about - violent crime rates are 4 times higher than the US.

Yes, there might be fewer guns involved but the lack of a means of protection results in far higher crime rates.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:26 | 3238295 Black Markets
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US Murder rate = 4.8 / 100,000

UK Murder rate = 1.2 / 100,000


Reference: UNODC

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:34 | 3238336 SilverIsKing
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:56 | 3238428 CheapBastard
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We're way ahead of the UK in fat people too. You guys need to eat more kidney pies.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:42 | 3238370 Black Markets
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Bravo to the people who voted this down!?


Whale sandwich anyone?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:21 | 3238959 Buckaroo Banzai
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The UK is a nation of stupid drunken faggots, living amongst Muslims who are going to rip what's left of your collective balls off and jam them down your throats, while raping your wives and sisters, and laughing at how worthless and pathetic you are.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:30 | 3239019 object_orient
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The new Freddy! Now that the original Freddy has calmed down a bit.


So many Muslims runnin round, rapin folks.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:47 | 3239686 SilverRhino
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US Violent Crime Rate : 466 / 100,000 

UK Violent Crime Rate : 2034 / 100,000


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:47 | 3238388 Piranhanoia
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You get knifed up close before you can protect yourself.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:47 | 3238391 1911A1
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If it weren't for all of those burglaries, robberies and rapes, the UK could be a decent place to live.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:03 | 3238447 exgop
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dont forget about the rain,fog cold,and bad food

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:25 | 3239835 Clashfan
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I'd rather eat Al Sharpton's asshole than eat British food... wait... where's the edit button?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:10 | 3238673 Dr. Engali
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I thought that the people in the U. S. had turned into a bunch of pussies for taking all the shot they put up with.. then you came along. What happened to you Brits? Did your balls fall off?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:48 | 3238738 Randall Cabot
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Yeah, well the 2nd amendmant is for killing tyrants pal, and even though Dorner is a completely fucked up wackjob he's killing tyrants.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:56 | 3238196 reader2010
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Col. Trautman: If you send your people in there after him they'll get killed.

Sheriff Teasle: You know, we're just a small, hick-town sheriff's department colonel, but we're expected to do our duty just like our heroes in the Special Forces.

Col. Trautman: In Special Forces we teach our people to stay alive in the line of duty.

Sheriff Teasle: No shit, I never thought of that.

Col. Trautman: You want a war you can't win?

Sheriff Teasle: Are you tellin' me that two hundred of our men against your boy is a no-win situation for us?

Col. Trautman: You send that many, don't forget one thing.

Sheriff Teasle: What? Col. Trautman: A good supply of body-bags.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 18:56 | 3238198 gnomon
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LIke I said, Dorner is a Dope.  Dorner is just another incontinent, undisciplined liberal with a racist axe to grind.  His only plan was to kill somebody and make the news.  I doubt if he was even toilet-trained as a child.  

Hell will welcome him with open arms and scorching licks of flame.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:05 | 3238225 blindman
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liberal? that escaped me. thanks for the heads up !

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:24 | 3238284 Big Corked Boots
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He got me at incontinent. He must realize that Dorner isn't full of shit.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:49 | 3238399 Bad Attitude
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Read Dorner's manifesto. He discusses the politicians he admires and the political policies he supports. Yes, he is a liberal.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:08 | 3238452 blindman
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i read that sad and despairing fictitious
"manifesto", where our suspect delights in the
talents of the entertainment industries most
liberal celebrities, lending some implication that
might lead one to think he has liberal tendencies.
however, one might notice his career of military and
law enforcement service and employment. allegedly
and presumptively as nothing, repeat, nothing has
been established to be a true fact. nothing.
facts , apparently do not amount to a hill of beans
anymore, let us just generalize and speak and act like
horse's asses.
i'm in !
ps. he decries injustice and authoritarian abuse,
is that a liberal or conservative complaint?
of course, that is in the alleged "manifesto" of uncertain

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:20 | 3238270 ebworthen
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Oh yeah, this is all about politics, hum...hum, durp-durp.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:26 | 3238298 gnomon
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Yes, racial politics is the main grist for the dem mill these days.  They should just firebomb the house with gas-filled wine bottles.  Don't waste a bullet or one more officer's life.

Dorn epitomizes the tantrum-like behavior of the Left.  And his heroes are from the Left.  And he is for gun control.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:52 | 3238402 ebworthen
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This is about cognitive dissonance.

What or who Dorner purports to believe in is meaningless.

What has meaning is that he believed he could serve his country as a soldier, only to find out it was a war searching for a cause, fought for the sake of bankers and the military/industrial complex.

He joined the Police thinking he could serve there, only to discover that they weren't the good guys either, and that many were racist thugs (and racists of all colors and stripes, whites against blacks, Hispanic officers ridiculing new Hispanic immigrants, black commanders allowing the racism to keep their post, etc.).

It's a hard thing to realize your entire society is a Ponzi and that chaos and barbarism are at the heart of a supposedly civilized society.  A bunch of baboons in uniforms and suits and other costumes disguising their primal behavior with verbiage, labels, catch-phrases, euphemisms, equivocation, and outright lies.

Some see it and find acceptance and a role where they can be true to their convictions without lying.  Others give in to the lying and the games.  Some can't find contentment and seek revenge.  Dorner is seeking revenge against the barbarism of society.  Society will portray his barbarism as the insanity of one, a mental illness, in an attempt to disassociate itself from it's own barbarism and lies to maintain the illusion.

Politics is one of the mushrooms that helps you fit through doors in Wonderland.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:03 | 3238649 Five8Charlie
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I wonder how fast this one will be swept under the rug. It's pretty damning for someone so deep in the system to lose it like this.  Cognitive dissonance, indeed.

Think the media will have a real discussion on the topic that maybe militarizing the police with assault weapons is a bad idea when those cops have zero checks on the violence they initiate?

... Not fucking likely....

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:55 | 3238842 Cathartes Aura
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wow, that's a seriously well-thought out reply ebworthen - so didn't expect to find one on this thread. . .

It's a hard thing to realize your entire society is a Ponzi and that chaos and barbarism are at the heart of a supposedly civilized society.

this is where keeping your mental "operating system" up-to-date helps tremendously, so that ones mind doesn't get presented with evidence that causes such severe cogdiss that "going out with a bang" seems like the only option.

the dominant, ongoing theme is lack of Trust in the Systems that have seemed to serve you all your life - if things have been working for you in as much as you've had relatively few hurdles to overcome in your life, then your strength (and mind) hasn't really been tested, certainly not for all that is incoming now. . .

we all must learn to act accordingly - "trust" must be earned from now on, words/descriptions/labels need to be defined before agreed upon, and. . .

question everything!


Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:29 | 3239839 Clashfan
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We hardly have any real information about any of this, so it's hard to know exactly what's happening.

But my bet is that this guy has much more to do with DID (dissociative identity disorder) and PTSD (probably from childhood) than he does with "cognitive dissonance."

Cognitive dissonance is more like when people can't face the truth because it challenges their worldviews, like morons who can't admit to themselves that 911 was an inside job. That's cognitive dissonance.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3238304 Taffy Lewis
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No, gnomon, what he is doing is going after crooked cops.

Don't subscribe to Rush this time and take his word as gospel - he is dead wrong on this saga.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:37 | 3238355 gnomon
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So, tell me this TL why did Dorner not take his time and shoot the actual cops who were crooked?  He could have easily got the drop on them.  None of them would have seen it coming.  

This guy, if he actually had a real grievance, went about it in a loosey-goosey, bizarre manner, all over the map, with too much talk and not enough laser-like focus on the actual culprits, (as perceived by him).  

Sorry he is a dope.  And he talks too much.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:53 | 3238833 Taffy Lewis
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Nobody said he wasn't a dope - you just come off on your anti-liberal rant like you have been listening to Rush too much over the last week or so. That's all. This isn't left vs. right. This is the commoners, the plebes, against a police state.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:33 | 3238332 besnook
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jesus, you are fn thtupid. he supported john huntsman, the only sane candidate the republican put up besides paul. you are the wackodoodle in need of exlax because you are the one full of shit.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 21:09 | 3238672 gnomon
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Looks like Dorn got a good preview of Hell before he actually got there.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:02 | 3238216 GubbermintWorker
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I figured that when they found his burnt out truck that he had another vehicle planted there already to take off in. He didn't plan this too well.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3238311 Lmo Mutton
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That was not in the script hus handlers gave him.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:08 | 3238230 Watts_D_Matter
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Barry said dont let that brother ruin my SOTU address....cut the live feed on my bro...I am the Fuhrer!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:46 | 3238385 machineh
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Rambro trumps Debt Bro ... this ain't no skeet shooting.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:11 | 3238240 ebworthen
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LAPD News Conference:

"We hope he will surrender, stop the bloodshed, and let the criminal justice system take over."

Fat chance buddy.

Did you not read the manifesto? 

Dorner is not going out alive if he has a say about it, and the LAPD does not want him to come out of this alive and talk on the stand about the racism in the LAPD.  They are going to kill him one way or another.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:16 | 3238265 CJHames
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So much for being Jason Bourne.

No legacy here.  Damn.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:20 | 3238275 Never One Roach
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Are they sure it's not two old Mesican ladies in there who are just angry and shoot'n back?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:23 | 3238279 Joebloinvestor
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Just in:

SOTU address to be delayed until deputy situation resolved.




Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:25 | 3238293 ebworthen
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Obama hoping for another death or two so he can badmouth "guns" and forget to mention his role as "Chief of Killer Drones".

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:32 | 3238328 Taffy Lewis
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Yeah, ebworthen, Dorner also mentioned 2 football concussions in his manifesto. DingleBarry will use that too to come to our rescue and let us know how he is going to save football. Didn't you know, he is the messiah!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:48 | 3238394 GolfHatesMe
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Except his skeet shooting rifle

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:22 | 3238280 Strom
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Officers searching every vehicle coming off the mountain, with guns drawn.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:24 | 3238285 reTARD
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If this is to be his last stand, then why did he burn his firearms and ammo with his truck? So much for his claim to use "unconventional and assymetrical warfare" on the police.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:35 | 3238340 lakecity55
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This is going to go on long enough so Skeeter can preface his teleprompter SOTU speech with "I've just been told the evil Droner is caught. We must now ban gunz! Tonight I will issue an EO!!"

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:25 | 3238291 Moe Howard
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What we have here is a failure to commuicate...........

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 20:25 | 3238514 sink critically
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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:25 | 3238292 blindman
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will someone , even someone from the police force,
please give this suspect a phone to call charlie
sheen , fucking please already.
this give new meaning to the term/word "californicated" !
i tell you this, it is the motion and rotation of a clown colony. future generations, should they manifest, will
wonder in confusion and awe at these spectacles.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:26 | 3238297 ZeroAvatar
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Look, I gotta say it right now, I was wrong on so many levels.....yesterday I said there was NO WAY this guy was still on the mountain.  And I was wrong.  Just like Phoenix Capital Research when he said emphatically there would BE NO QE3!  But, HE apologized......I'm not going to.  I don't have subscriptions to newsletters to sell. So I hope, unlike PCR, that I haven't been permanently discredited.  I hope you'll all STILL READ my comments. AUMEN.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:30 | 3238300 Whoa Dammit
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I guees now they can search our cars, including opening doors, hatch backs and trunks whenever they have a suspect cornered miles away. 

Wonder what would happen to someone trying to go through that area with a moving van. Would all their shit have to be pulled out on the side of the road?

Home of the slave on live TV.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:30 | 3238321 lakecity55
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he's surrounded and they're jackbooting people's cars 50 miles away.

these idiot moron cops are 100% out of control.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:28 | 3238307 Payne
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If they are searching they do not know where he is !  or do they just like to search ?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 22:03 | 3238878 CPL
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Bunch of us have been listening to police's gone very quiet.  So therefore they over load the switch and pohone conversations bleed out of the towers like an AM radio station.  Anycase.  Here's the word.


Nobody in cabin.


Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:32 | 3238329 Strom
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The police are asking people not to talk about Dorner on Twitter...

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:55 | 3238420 saints51
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Also caught that on the live feed. They want their story perfect. Keep the sheep asleep. Too many are starting to question all the bullshit.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:58 | 3238437 magpie
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Probably fucking up the data mining, too many false positives

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:33 | 3238335 chump666
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The guy is f*cking crazy. 

SWAT, competent ones, will let this guy waste ammo.  Then they will kill him. If he doesn't kill himself.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:56 | 3238430 saints51
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Sounds right. He will be out of ammo then commit suicide with 2 shots in the head and 1 in the chest.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:35 | 3238343 stant
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time to nuke the place from orbit, the sol address is coming up

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:38 | 3238357 magpie
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unless this can still be discussed over a few beers

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 19:36 | 3238344 ebworthen
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They're bringing in an armored vehicle and satellite trucks.

Reported that Dorner said he had a .50 caliber with armor piercing ammo in his manifesto.  If it's a Barret and he knows how to use it the LAPD better get a long ways away.

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