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The (Two) GOP #SOTU Responses

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Well, this is awkward, but in our always fair and balanced way, we present the two sides of the GOP's response to Obama's SOTU - the 'official' Marco Rubio response and Rand Paul's Tea Party Express response, with speech excerpts and streams...

 

Marco Rubio:

 

Rubio's not so greatest moment:

 

A few excerpts from Rubio's speech:

“This opportunity – to make it to the middle class or beyond no matter where you start out in life – it isn’t bestowed on us from Washington. It comes from a vibrant free economy where people can risk their own money to open a business. And when they succeed, they hire more people, who in turn invest or spend the money they make, helping others start a business and create jobs. Presidents in both parties – from John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan – have known that our free enterprise economy is the source of our middle class prosperity. But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems.”

 

“Mr. President, I still live in the same working class neighborhood I grew up in. My neighbors aren’t millionaires. They’re retirees who depend on Social Security and Medicare. They’re workers who have to get up early tomorrow morning and go to work to pay the bills. They’re immigrants, who came here because they were stuck in poverty in countries where the government dominated the economy. The tax increases and the deficit spending you propose will hurt middle class families. It will cost them their raises. It will cost them their benefits. It may even cost some of them their jobs. And it will hurt seniors because it does nothing to save Medicare and Social Security. So Mr. President, I don’t oppose your plans because I want to protect the rich. I oppose your plans because I want to protect my neighbors.

 

Economic growth is the best way to help the middle class. Unfortunately, our economy actually shrank during the last three months of 2012. But if we can get the economy to grow at just 4 percent a year, it would create millions of middle class jobs. And it could reduce our deficits by almost $4 trillion dollars over the next decade. Tax increases can’t do this. Raising taxes won’t create private sector jobs. And there’s no realistic tax increase that could lower our deficits by almost $4 trillion. That’s why I hope the President will abandon his obsession with raising taxes and instead work with us to achieve real growth in our economy.”

 

The real cause of our debt is that our government has been spending 1 trillion dollars more than it takes in every year. That’s why we need a balanced budget amendment. The biggest obstacles to balancing the budget are programs where spending is already locked in. One of these programs, Medicare, is especially important to me. It provided my father the care he needed to battle cancer and ultimately die with dignity. And it pays for the care my mother receives now. I would never support any changes to Medicare that would hurt seniors like my mother. But anyone who is in favor of leaving Medicare exactly the way it is right now, is in favor of bankrupting it.”

 

Despite our differences, I know that both Republicans and Democrats love America. I pray we can come together to solve our problems, because the choices before us could not be more important. If we can get our economy healthy again, our children will be the most prosperous Americans ever. And if we do not, we will forever be known as the generation responsible for America’s decline.”

 

and 5 minutes later...

Rand Paul (via Tea Party Express - no Embed!):

click image for link...

 

Below are a few excerpts anticipated from Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-Ky.) Tea Party response to the State of the Union Address.

We are the party that embraces hard work and ingenuity, therefore we must be the party that embraces the immigrant who wants to come to America for a better future. We must be the party who sees immigrants as assets, not liabilities. We must be the party that says, ‘If you want to work, if you want to become an American, we welcome you.’”

 

The path we are on is not sustainable, but few in Congress or in this Administration seem to recognize that their actions are endangering the prosperity of this great nation.”

 

Both parties have been guilty of spending too much, of protecting their sacred cows, of backroom deals in which everyone up here wins, but every taxpayer loses. It is time for a new bipartisan consensus. It is time Democrats admit that not every dollar spent on domestic programs is sacred. And it is time Republicans realize that military spending is not immune to waste and fraud.”

 

“Not only should the sequester stand, many pundits say the sequester really needs to be at least $4 trillion to avoid another downgrade of America’s credit rating. Both parties will have to agree to cut, or we will never fix our fiscal mess.”

 

Washington acts in a way that your family never could – they spend money they do not have, they borrow from future generations, and then they blame each other for never fixing the problem.”

 

“If Congress refuses to obey its own rules, if Congress refuses to pass a budget, if Congress refuses to read the bills, then I say: Sweep the place clean. Limit their terms and send them home!”

 


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Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Fuck Yeah, Rand Paul! Fuck you, GOP establishment that should hang yourselves after losing to commie Obama in '12!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment saints51
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Don't allow the hype to consume you. He will not say the same as Rubio. He has to appease his followers just like Admiral General Obama.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Stackers
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12 year combined term limits for either house of Congress.

And you can not take a job in anyway related to your previously held public office for another 12 years (lobbiest)

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment aka Gil
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How 'bout one and done? Do your tour of duty then go back home to your real life. Fuck that career politician bullshit.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:18 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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I cannot imagine that there is anyone in the US that believes that any politician is so important that they cannot be replaced after one term.... oh, excuse me, except the politicians themselves and the people who use them, through corrupt means, for personal gain.

The parasites are so well entrenched that it would take a revolution to remove them.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:28 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Let them serve one term and then face the firing line......we'll see who really wants to serve after that.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:51 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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one term then prosecute for the crimes they inevitably commit

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment booboo
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Best way to remove a tick is to stick a lit match to theis ass.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment ncdirtdigger
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Well, no, that is not the best way. The best way is to smother them with oil. By lighting a match to their arse, the head typically remains embedded in your skin and cause infection.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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If they are so unimportant, why even bother at all? Why the need to appoint people with the power to order us around, while maintaining our faith that their whims will in some way align with what is best for individuals? Why beg them for your freedom by voting?

We could do better by drawing straws. Think of all the resources saved by avoiding the campaign cycle altogether.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment DJ Happy Ending
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Damn straight.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Rand Paul is great. Rubio is an open-borders RINO Bush-bot. Rubio is Mel Martinez 2 aka a real POS.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:54 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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And you expect people to take you seriously?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment tango
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Get serious. You should know how ZH operates.  ALL politicians, businessmen, entertainers, scientists and educators are evil. No one but the Tylers (and maybe Ron Paul) can be believed. Rand Paul was King of the World until he backed Romney.  Suddenly, "I never trusted him"  "He's a traitor."   "I knew it all along"  blah bah.  I've joked to my wife that these ideologues may survive a financial meltdown but who the hell would want to live with someone who hated everyone and everything?  

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:46 | Link to Comment H E D G E H O G
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FUCK THEM ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:29 | Link to Comment 20834A
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And to round it all out: Libertarian Party Response

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/RhmFXRe5Z68" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:52 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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That lady makes way too much sense. Great analysis in less than 10 minutes.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:25 | Link to Comment smart girl
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So pleased to hear the Libertarian response. The last election is the LAST TIME I will vote for a Repo or Demo Drone.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:04 | Link to Comment ATM
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The problem with Libertarian is the whackos they run for election. The platform is correct them they put these fucked up candidates.... it is almost like the Dems and Reps are sabotaging them by placing these freaks on the ballot for them....

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:12 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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The libertarian position is fantastic, post collapse. It would be fantastic pre-collapse if people were willing to accept that the libertarian party would hasten the collapse... and not blame the policies for the collapse. Unfortunately, I don't think that most libertarians understand this. I think most libertarians think that something magical happens when the gov't balances its budget.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Did it ever occur to you that even if people despise the Matrix that they view the alternatives with even greater distate?

The fact that the TP seems to run only looney tunes candidates is a tell...

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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As much as I like the libertarian ideas the people leave a lot to be desired. It is one thing to have good ideas it is another to put them into action......

 

Too many dreamers not enough doers. And the few that do instead of rallying behind them they snipe at them for every little thing. People ain't perfect neither are the candidates if the fundamental idealogy is in line then you need to start doing and start putting up a unified front or else this is never more than a second rate good intentions but ultimate exercise in futility.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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A lot of libertarians need to come off their high horses just a little bit and start taking a more pragmatic approach. You can't win every battle in a war, sometimes 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Idealism only works in fantasy land, if you want it work in reality you need to be flexible. There has to be a balance between long and short term. Fabian socialists like Obama are masters of this they know how to slowly grind you down through attrition. That is exactly what is going on here.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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thanks for that link, she made some great points, and managed to keep a meme going throughout - stop voting for big government.

followed up by going to the lp.org site to see how the actual beliefs and policies looked in writing - again, the only political party that is geniune about using the word "Liberty, Freedom" and smaller government.

I don't vote, but voters should consider putting their vote where their mouths are. . . or just continue blindly voting brand names, and divisive big government rulerships.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:23 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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Maybe people have not noticed, but the modus operandi of the controlling parasitic elitists is to always make it appear as if there is someone who represents the views of everyone, including the majority. It provides hope and with hope comes control. Hence we had Ron, now Rand Paul and that is why there is always one opposition voice from the Fed.

A cynical person might view Rand Paul as just filling his role as a slave for the elitist parasites.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:23 | Link to Comment Rick64
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Sorry, which one is the dog, and which one is the pony?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Rand Paul lost me when he endorsed Romney. No more Rand Paul for me.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment kito
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egggactly jlee--- +1

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Rand lost me on his first interview side by side with his father. It was obvious the nut had fallen far from the tree

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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i tend to agree.....but i think he was forced to play the game.....as long as he doesn't change HIS tune, then I'm OK with him.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:17 | Link to Comment kito
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thats bullshit, hes not forced to do anything, hes a sellout plain and simple. dont preach anti establishment and then endorse big gubbmint nitwitmitt romney.....................

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment redpill
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I was pissed at that as well.  But there's also a difference between Senate and House.  His Dad could afford to be uncompromising because his congressional district is so safe.  In the Senate it's the entire state.  On one hand I think he's too establishment, on the other hand I think he is playing for the war and not the battle.  He doesn't do us any good if he gets voted out for some rubber stamp establishment Repub prick.  Senators get a lot more leeway when they've been in office for a longer period of time, people know them, they are more trusted.  He may be kowtowing to the establishment now to give him more leeway later.  And frankly, I would not be surprised to see a Presidential run out of him.  Don't underestimate the strategy of that family, they will try to push the cause of liberty through whatever avenue is available.  I'd be the first to agree he is not his dad, but compared to the other fuckfaces up there, he'll do for now.

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:54 | Link to Comment CrimsonAvenger
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He may be playing the long game, going along now to be more influential later. That would be fine if we had much of a later to work with.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment redpill
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At the end of the day he's still a politician, you can't really trust him anyway.

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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Good points... Rand is like the semi overweight chick that has a nice face & if you could just ge her in the gym 3-4 days a week things might work out.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Lore
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Yah. You want under that roof, you play the game. That's part of what makes these things so deeply glib. For one hour, everybody wears a cheesy grin and pretends not to hate each other's guts. Empty the room, turn out the lights, and the back-biting resumes.

He lost me the moment he raised Unnatural Climate Change.  Agenda 21 is getting lame.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Well, he made a mistake. Guess what, he's human. Rand is still better than just about anyone else in the Senate.

OK, that's a low bar. But still.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment john39
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His recent trip to grovel in is-ra-el tells you all you need to know... Just another Christian Zionist posing as a sentient being.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:01 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Pat Buchanan sums it up nicely.............

 

''In this city, the Israeli lobby is regarded as right up there with the National Rifle Association as a crowd that rewards its friends and punishes its enemies, with this exception: Far more congressmen and senators are willing to stand up to the NRA than to defy AIPAC.''

 

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/05/buchanan-the-gop-obsession/

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
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Makes you wonder what game Rand is playing.  From a distance, his presidential ambitions look fairly obvious, like he wet his pants and hopes no one will notice.  And you can't blame him.  Barry O. showed the way -- a long "distinguised" career in the Senate does not make you presidential material.  Your stock drops every day you spend in Washington.  So if a senator wants to be president, he has to make the run ASAP.  Perhaps Rand doesn't want to be a long-term back-bencher and gadfly and laughing stock of the DC elites like his father.

Rand must know the Israel lobby will oppose him with all their might (just like Hagel) no matter how much he sucks up to them now.  So you wonder what's the point of all his sucking up now, and walking back his earlier comments on foreign aid etc.  Maybe his ambition has made him a fool.  Or maybe it's a pragmatic attempt to blunt the force of the opposition.  Personally, I think he has blown it already.  If you are opposed by AIPAC, and you appear to stand for nothing, you have no chance.  But ambition makes people blind.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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gotta love how y'all make up different backstories for your Paul family candidate, anything and everything but taking their actions at face value, their beliefs as their agenda, their words as their truths.

politicians & voters, big government hand-in-glove, tight fi(s)t.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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READ: Synagogue Rising...tells it all!

www.synagoguerising.com

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment sunnydays
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I agree.  He is a traitor and I don't believe anything he says anymore.  Once he turned his back on his father for his own political gain, it showed he was in it for politics not for intergirty.   I don't listen to anything he says anymore.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:56 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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Turning his back on his father was pretty low. No one in the world would even know the name of Rand Paul if it weren't for his father - Ron Paul.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:55 | Link to Comment LongBalls
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+1 JLee. Any man who can not even stay loyal to his father can't be expected to be loyal to a citizen he has never meet. Rand Paul is no different than Benedict Arnold. It's up to the people now as it always has been. It's time for us to realize it.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:48 | Link to Comment Lore
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An earnest noob yearns to uphold 'principles' and 'values,' but it's a rare person whose ideals aren't subsumed to some extent by peer pressure, culture and other powerful forces in a political environment.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:25 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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... and if ever given the opportunity, he would cowtow to the queen as Obahblah does. He had to prove his loyalty to be allowed his position as a leader of those unhappy being slaves to parasites.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:12 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 And didn't Rand Paul also vote for the NDAA?

He is a "war on terror" global militarist.

Having accepted the fantasy of  "full-spectrum" global military dominance with endless economic expansion in a global "free market", 

 foreign overseas resources and markets become necessary and "vital US interests" to "protect" both for alleged military and economic "security".

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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No Rand was one of the few that voted against it.

http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2012/s/229

You know who did vote aye, Marco Rubio.

 

You want a clear differentiation between the 2 this vote is as clear cut as it gets.

 

 

Question On the Conference Report H.R. 4310

 Ayes: 81 (Democrat: 44; Republican: 36; Other: 1)

 Nays: 14 (Democrat: 6; Republican: 7; Other: 1)  Abstained: 4 (Democrat: 0; Republican: 4) Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 1/2 (50%) Percentage of 'aye' votes: 81% Result: Conference Report Agreed to

 

The 14 that voted nay in the Senate

John Barrasso [R, WY]
Mike Crapo [R, ID]
Richard J. Durbin [D, IL]
Michael B. Enzi [R, WY]
Chuck Grassley [R, IA]
Tom Harkin [D, IA]
Patrick J. Leahy [D, VT]
Mike Lee [R, UT]
Jeff Merkley [D, OR]
Rand Paul [R, KY]
James E. Risch [R, ID]
Bernard Sanders [I, VT]
Ron Wyden [D, OR]

 

 

Thu, 02/14/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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and yet Rand Paul himself says he voted for it on the grounds his amendment made NDAA acceptable enough for him (i.e. continue the crimes of the global "war on terror" so long as the US government could facetiously deny that rights of US citizens were not being abridged).

http://www.dailypaul.com/265603/rand-paul-explains-ndaa-vote

 

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment tango
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Let's see.  You liked Rand Paul before he endorsed Romney.  You liked his views and ideas and speeches.  As for as I now he has not changed but suddenly he is persona non grata?  If you are only going to like folks who are ideologically pure (shades of Marxism) then it will be a very lonely world.  I am still waiting for Ron Paul to get the boot from ZH when he says or does something slightly different from the party line.  Or maybe he's tainted beause he has thanksgiving with his evil son.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Mr. Magniloquent
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I fail to understand what is confusing abou the reversal of favor for Rand Paul. He claimed to stand for a set of values, then publicly endorsed the epitome and incarnate of everything he swore to be against. He publicly and "joyously" endorsed the most polar opposite of his stated moral, political, and philosophical beliefs for the singularly most powerful and influencial executive position in the known universe.

It was a stunning hypocricy and betrayal to most. Even if it were nothing but a career move with no effect on his actual actions and voting record, it displays a lack of integrity. It is irrefutable proof that Rand Paul can be bought, and cheaply at that. He may be the sweetest smelling slime within the cesspool of D.C., but in endorsing Romney he publicly numbered himself among their filth.

Is that so difficult to grasp?

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Matt
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I wonder what magic plan Marco Rubio has to create 4% growth?!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Mr. Magoo
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I think he means the new prison industrial complex

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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He said:

But if we can get the economy to grow at just 4 percent a year, it would create millions of middle class jobs.

Exponential function says:

At that 2.3% growth rate, we would be using energy at a rate corresponding to the total solar input striking Earth in a little over 400 years. We would consume something comparable to the entire sun in 1400 years from now. By 2500 years, we would use energy at the rate of the entire Milky Way galaxy—100 billion stars! 

Link 

ROFLMAO 

JFC people are so stupid.

 

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment VisualCSharp
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Exactly. And Obama has it exactly backward: The economy grows due to jobs being performed for economic benefit, not the other way around.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:16 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Those exponents are a bitch aren't they.  But still, math does not lie.

Wonder if that's why they don't teach that in skool anymore.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment tango
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You are assuming we make zero progress in non-fossil fuel energies, quit all efforts at conservation and stop striving for more efficiency.  Fossil fuel use in the US continues to decline for obvious reasons - the recession but mainly the miniaturization and greater and greater efficiency built into devices.  A new paradigm will allow growth but that may be unnecessary if technology can provide the things we need at a dirt cheap price.  

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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The laws of thermodynamics apply and if you read the link, the author addresses the valid questions that you bring up. It matters not what the source of energy is .. for example: to melt iron – whether it fusion, fission, coal, gas , etc, etc. you would need the same amount of energy (heat). The post used 4% and I used 2.3% in the example. You’re not going to get much more efficiency out of an electric motor ….

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:55 | Link to Comment Nation of Imbeciles
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RUBE-io, a BUSH Mini-Me(feign surprise here), was likely referring to BUSH43's Econo shake-n-bake book, "The 4% Solution: How to Unleash the Economic Boom America Needs in the 21st Century" by The Bush Institute (2012, Hardcover).The remainder of these are almost being given away.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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not that I didn't believe you, but...
http://www.amazon.com/4-Solution-Unleashing-Economic-America/dp/0307986144 - the GWB book.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Nation of Imbeciles
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OK, I couldn't resist but here it is at eBay's Half.com for $5.93 plus shipping:

http://product.half.ebay.com/The-4-Solution-How-to-Unleash-the-Economic-...

Also, for those that need a really good dose of happy fun or a laugh at the incompetent leadership of this nation, one need only look here:

http://www.fourpercentgrowth.org

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment TideFighter
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The winner of the 2012 presidential election, if he would have ran. 

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment SillySalesmanQu...
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Someone needs to sweep these two clean and send them home.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Lady Heather...UNCLE
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...it's all smoke and mirrors, a farce. Congress is a faux debating chamber full of self-interested charlatans making noises of sham and bullshit. They tell tales as of an idiot, full of sound and fury...signifying NOTHING

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment tango
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And what is your solution?  (shooting, hanging or firing all elected officials is an option only if an alternative is offered.)  U see comments like these on ZH and while I may emotionally embrace them I see zero alternatives ever offered. "Going back to 1782" is not really a viable solution. 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Stop Alqueda/AL CIA duh?

Here's an idea Criminal Obama.  Stop funding, arming and training the same terrorists you claim to be protecting us form.

Jeez, should that Criminal house go up in flames all the world's problems would be over next day.  Shit, I'm surprised those Lucerferians didn't burst into flames form all the lies. 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Glass Seagull
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In unrelated news: NSA has just allocated a 6th surveillance drone to watch Rand Paul's increasingly alarming moves. The way he refers to cutting debt just won't be tolerated much longer. The milk must continue to flow from the great goy sow.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Theta_Burn
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Just look at that dais... Joe Biden beaming from the buffet and open bar, Alfred E Newmwn..I mean john Boenher...what a putz and of course O'TOMma, 3 minute was all i could take of this shambles...

ANY poilitician with a shred of integrity, who can actually sit through something like this is to be commended.

Rand we have high hopes for you..

“If Congress refuses to obey its own rules, if Congress refuses to pass a budget, if Congress refuses to read the bills, then I say: Sweep the place clean. Limit their terms and send them home!”

 

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Who gives a damn what rand has to say? He went over to the holy land to kiss their ass. Sell out.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW! TERM LIMITS NOW!

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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No!!!

Perp walks now!  Perp walks now!  Perp walks now! 

Perp walks now! Perp walks now! Perp walks now!

Perp walks now! Perp walks now! Perp walks now!

Perp walks now! Perp walks now! Perp walks now!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:44 | Link to Comment goldenbuddha454
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Fuckin-A-Right!  Shoulda got done in 1994 we wouldn't be in this shit fuckin mess!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Mr. Magniloquent
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What do term limits do other than provide incentive for those in office to plunder everything they can get while in office without having to deal with the aftermath? Similarly, no incumbants means there is no person to blame. Short term limits create a perverse time-preference and annhiliate any meaningful accusations.

The only term limit which will ever be effective, is capping time of office at zero.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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#STOU by Colonel Flick/WilliamBanzai7, on Flickr">DORNER <a href=#STOU" />

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment OldE_Ant
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It should say "I am Droner" and please put me out of my misery.  (smoking burnt blackened body and all)

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:17 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Not according to the LAPD or SB Sherrif's.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:20 | Link to Comment JohnG
Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:34 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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It does seem a little convenient to have this crisis created and get national propaganda attention at the appropriate time as a back for a backdrop to the state-of-the-union. It is also extremely convenient that virtually all of the governments victories over the people turn up dead (suicided, dumped in the ocean or burnt to a crisp) so that there is no one alive and no physical evidence that could contradict the propagandized psy-op.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:00 | Link to Comment Nation of Imbeciles
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Funny how the anagram for Dorner is DRONEr. Timing is everything. I was musing earlier that Obama would pardon him during the SOTU.

Tue, 02/12/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment OldE_Ant
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Amazing.  No one can seem to figure out.  We have an inherent/inalienable RIGHT to Life, Liberty and the persuit of happiness.    What seems to get clearer to me everyday is that the government we created to 'protect' those rights is acting deliberatly to forcably take them away from us.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:41 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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This is a common misconception of the American people. The US Constitution was based on the Magna Carta... and the Magna Carta only provided rights to land-owners (you know, the real people; not monsters, beasts, slaves or goy). In the US, the only true land owner is the Crown Corporation and everyone else is simply a tenant... check you property deed. Better yet, try not paying your real estate taxes and you will see who really ownes your home.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment pazmaker
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so true so true!

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment rustymason
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Rand the neocon is so radical. (yawn)

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:11 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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When did the Rubio feed go to "this video is private" ?     Marco must have got wind of your trying to air it.   Did he say, "Castro"? 

he must be running for president of something to change from a teaparty into,  well,  whatever it is.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment Stuart
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I'm so sick of the lies from both sides of the aisle.   About this SOTU..to  all of them, STFU!  

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment michael_engineer
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Funny, no mention by Rubio of trickling the wealth up and out of the country to invest on low wage earners in other countries as being a structural cause of the plight of the middle class. He must have missed that

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment Kingkongballs827
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Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:19 | Link to Comment toys for tits
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PVC Gun Burial Tube.

 

Where do you hide the shovel to dig it up?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:25 | Link to Comment mkhs
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You, sir, will want our extra long PVC Shovel Burial Tube.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Monedas
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You tie a white nylon rope to it .... kind of like a tampon string !

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:59 | Link to Comment unrulian
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since i don't use ebay can one give bad feedback without actually purchasing something from the troll?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment a growing concern
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Suck a dick, fuckface.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Rubio is a pro-amnesty Rovian Bush bot.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment kicksroute66
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He was really nervous...

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Nation of Imbeciles
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Let's give him a break, after all it was his Quinceañera.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Stay thirsty my friends....

Mark Rubio

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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To all the comments about individual politicians and their unique tendencies: Are you fucking stupid! They are, by definition, psychopathic megalomaniacs--all of them. NO differnce. The only sane one among them would be the one that was willing to pick up an assault rifle and kill the rotten lot of them. That would be a politician you could believe in; a person of, by and for The People--and not just of this rotting corpse of a country, but for the benefit of ALL humanity. Enough is enough. Someone in that corrupt collective of cretan cowards get some balls! This revolution could have a one-man army and a hero the likes of which has never been, and never will again be known to history. Imagine...

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 02:14 | Link to Comment Lore
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Some of them are merely ballast. Some are just joes like you and me who get public office only to get overwhelmed with issues so big they're hard to comprehend.

You don't really want to hurt anybody. That's TV talk.  We need good people to put their heads together and find constructive solutions.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:05 | Link to Comment smart girl
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In my limited view of politics, candidates are selected by the major parties, then shoved down everyone's throat. I mean elected.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Lore
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Sure, they're groomed and shaped like a garden vegetable. That doesn't make them all evil -- just most of them.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:05 | Link to Comment smart girl
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In my limited view of politics, candidates are selected by the major parties, then shoved down everyone's throat. I mean elected.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment stant
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so we had 3 sol addresses

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Poor Rubio has an issue with oral hydration. He reminds me a young nervous JFK (no reference to oral hydration).

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment goldenbuddha454
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Didn't he and Robert orally-hydrate Marilyn Monroe?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment q99x2
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The time has come to turn this country over to the rule of open source software.

And, get the military industrial complex off of our Internet. If they are on the net then they are not taking the correct precautions in the first place. Personally I don't believe they are on the net and that Obama's executive CISPA order is strictly for controlling communications of the citizens of the US on behalf of the NWO.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 03:09 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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Well, I hope all the arm chair critics of Rand will be marching on Washington, fully armed, when Obama attempts to get the senate to ratify the UN small arms treaty and/or pass the Feinstein "assault weapons" bill.  All you useless fucks need someone to filibuster these bills but you just don't realize it.

How many of you useless fucks even know about the UN small arms treaty and its history?  Rand has been a relentless opponent of this one world gov treaty.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:58 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Gun ownership is not about a conversation with the political class.  Let them pass their bills.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:18 | Link to Comment Diplodicus Rex
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"This video is private" - What does that mean if it's not too dumb a question?

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:09 | Link to Comment Monedas
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They want a donation !

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 05:25 | Link to Comment andrewp111
Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:47 | Link to Comment Frankie Carbone
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They all suck.

Jesus Christ. I simply cannot believe that there are still a few poster here that take this Kabuki Theater seriously.

Shows you the power of the media when combined with a carefully crafted script cited by well dressed, good-looking carnival barkers and nefarious con men.

Works every time.

Cool your greviances men. Take a deep breath. The opposition is at work and working for you! You DO have a voice! See??? Everything is going to be all better. There are people in Washington fighting for you!

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:18 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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The only fix is a collapse of the dollar. Starve the beast that is our government and almost all the washington politicians

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 06:56 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Marco Rubio?  It's clear that the Republican's are determined to continue on their corporatist/statist path, even if it means becoming a rump party.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:12 | Link to Comment Monedas
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There are 1000 or more Muslims for every Jew .... there are 1000 or more government hole lickers for every Libertarian .... we could learn a lot from my Jews !

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:44 | Link to Comment madcuban
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How quickly we forget.  Rand Paul, the turncoat.  He made a closed door deal to give Romney his backing.  This "response" to Obama's SOTU is probably part of that deal.  He gets more exposure as a Tea Party rep (which he clearly proved us he is not).  Fuck you, turncoat Rand.  This is all a sideshow distraction.  Can't believe anyone watched the Hollywood show.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Clowns to the l...
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They're all politicians. They choose their words to fit the moment, assume the peons will believe them and then they move on to disassembling this country.

Politician: Someone who talks a good game during elections and during times of significant talking points then abandons their "principles" once the smoke clears.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:05 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Anything that comes as a benefit to the people from any politician's actions is purely an accident that can be corrected! Their best lies are always covered with a very thin veneer of truth, kind of the candy coating on the bitter pill. The sad part is that most knowingly ignore the truth.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:33 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Hey Rand downgrade ain't happening. Obama and his economic hit squads the SEC and DOJ knee-capped Egan-Jones and are in the process of going after S & P in retaliation for the last downgrade. Uncle Warren and his proxy Moody's won't downgrade no matter what and Fitch well they are controlled by the French (enough said).

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:34 | Link to Comment goldenbuddha454
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Let's be honest here, Rubio is a nice guy and he means well, but is he the real deal?  This is still yet to be seen.  Rand Paul is the real deal.  He gets it!  The days of spending are over, or atleast should be over in theory, but won't be over in practice. Backroom deals will always be cut to spend more money we don't have on stupid projects like Green Energy and cow flatulence, unpopular wars and aid to tin-pot bannana republic dictators.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You seem to be very confused re: Rand, I suggest you review his stance on Medicare transfers...

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:35 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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flak, why don't you list for us what your ideal candidate's platform would be, tea party types would like to know.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I'm still waiting for USPS to deliver my Hope & Change from 2008.

They said they put a tracer on it, and if it shows up, they'll call me.

The tracer request cost me $5.70.

FORWARD

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:06 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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Obama's definition of compromise- Agree with me

Rino's definition of compromise - Agree with me

Result - Nada

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Sixdeuce062
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i think rand is slowly waking up to the fact that he can not change the republican party. hes not there yet and because hes young compared to most politicans i think he is a little more openminded than his dad but it seems like he has realized that you cant make chicken salad out of chicken shit

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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One and done!

Newbies cannot be manipulated so quickly by other newbies.

Keep the public dime just that, small.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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It's only a matter of time until the rats trot out Jeb Bush. They'll probably time it right around his daddy's last breath. What a douchebag he is.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Nation of Imbeciles
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Don't laugh. If these morons have their way as they have for over 30 years, Jeb will be president #45 from 2017 to 2025, where a DEM loser will take over for 8 years, and then George P. Bush from 2033 to 2041.

Since Reagan, both parties have been neatly playing the vegetized electorate by simple trading the White House back and forth every 8 years. Never in our history have we had so many two term presidents is such a short period.

Take a moment to look at the sacrificial 2nd term lambs over that same period: Mondale, Dole, Kerry, & Romney. The common ingredient is that they were supposed to lose. It's all there if you're looking at it closely.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Don't you people realize not the matrix people but the low-brow tinfoil hat paranioa crowd that this is nothing more than bread and circuses. Rubio is being built up as the next Hulk Hogan in this WWE scripted wrestling match here. Vince McMahon ultimately profits either way. The match is nothing more than bread and circuses. Obama is playing the role of good guy gone bad and now the the scripted savior is being built up for the good vs. evil pay per view match. The masses eat it up and no one is the wiser.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment moneybots
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"If congress refuses to obey its own rules, if Congress refuses to pass a budget, if Congress refuses to read the bills, then I say: Sweep the place clean. Limit their terms and send them home!”

 

The correct word to have said is US, as he is part of congress.  Clean house and send us home and limit our terms.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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Rubio says that it was the government, not banks (or  the Federal Reserve), that caused the "housing" crisis.

I bet he got a nice check from JPM, Goldman, and BAC in the mail this morning, for that nugget.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Rubio is next ethnic flavor of the month for the establishment, nothing more. He is their hispanic Urkel for pandering purposes.

Wed, 02/13/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Marley
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"in our always fair and balanced way"

Laugh my fucking ass off.  Never underestimate the power of delusion.

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