Greenspan: Ignore The Economy, "Only The Stock Market Matters"

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Starting at around 1:50, Greenspan states the odds of sequester occurring are very high - in fact, the playdough-faced ex-Chair-head notes, "I find it very difficult to find a scenario in which [the sequester] doesn't happen" But when asked how this will affect the economy, Awkward Alan is unusually clearly spoken - "the issue is how does it affect the stock market."

While not so many of our leaders have taken the path to direct truthiness, Greenspan somewhat shocks a Botox'd and babbling Bartiromo when he admits "the stock market is the key player in the game of economic growth."

Bartiromo shifts uncomfortably in her seat, strokes her imaginary beard and stares blankly as Greenspan explains that while the sequester will have a real effect on the real economy, "if the stock market can hold up through this, then the effect will be rather minor."

He ends with a couple of wonderful truthisms - data shows that not only are stock markets a leading indicator of economic activity, they are a major cause of it - 6% of the change in the growth in GDP results from changes in the value of stocks and homes. So there it is - if we didn't already know, straight from an old horse's mouth - it's all about stocks!

Fiscal problems? "The problem is so severe at this stage that unless we come to terms with it in a large way, we are running into very serious trouble," but Dr. Greenspan, if stocks stay up, it's all good right? Greenspan's wealth effect meme is all there is...

 

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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:08 | 3248846 macholatte
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Alan was one of 2 things:

a)  an incompetent bureaucrat

b)  part of the criminal sindicate

 

either way, he made fools of nearly all of us for 20+ years.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:49 | 3248875 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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My point is that there really is no he.

He is merely a puppet.

He likely never made a decision on his own and for all we know the Fed minutes are scripted.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:34 | 3249267 kliguy38
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correct......you have done your homework well

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:09 | 3249385 nope-1004
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When I watched this interview yesterday, I couldn't fucking believe what I was hearing.  He came out and admitted that the Fed's only intention is to blow more hot air into equities and housing, creating more of a bubble to prove their theory that stock markets are leading indicators and causes of economic recovery.

He is a fool.  The Fed is wrong.  These people are not "the smart criminals" many here claim.  These guys are morons.

Their 'data' on this issue is heavily skewed.  It was backed up by 2 things:  Reduced lending standards (easy credit), and a military that forced USD policy, both over a 50 year time span.

When you have that type of global control, you can make the stats into anything you want.  As China and Russia start to move away from the US dollar, and as this credit-fueled depression brings about more pain (especially to those entering retirement, which he ironically mentions), this economic experiment in goosing fiat will end in a tragedy.

But, tragedies don't happen to policies that are legit, warranted, accepted, and work.  Therein lies the proof that these guys are complete fools.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 09:30 | 3249174 vamoose1
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  not  to  mention  the   butt  ugliest  pandering  blowjob   ever   conceived

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:03 | 3249515 Anasteus
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Greenspan is one of very few who dare to say the bitter truth knowing that nothing would change or endanger the position of the syndicate. He could unleash the monetary policy and participate on shattering the gold monetary perception, while at the same time promote it as the only valuable monetary asset as pointed out on several public occasions, unlike Bernanke incessantly tricking people into false beliefs, such as 'gold tradition' or 'non-inflationary QE measures'. Greenspan has no problem to say openly the government and presidents are, in fact, irrelevant much like to emphasize the importance of stocks or housing whenever the clan is planning so. Those who want to listen could find truth between the lines even though mixed with lies. The puppets around him, if not so corrupt, scared or fooled, could have hooked into development of some good ideas he tacitly offered to them.

He's certainly not a puppet; he's higher in the hierarchy. Say, an agent.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 07:24 | 3249091 He_Who Carried ...
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The problem with Grinspin is

that at one point we all have to

make money and so, although he's

been bullshitting each and everybody

for quite some time, he still wins

and thos who keep on betting on justice

and sanity will lose. Forget about the

long awaited monetary disaster. Its so

not going to happen!

Did anybody end up in jail for what

they did before 2008? No, of course not!

This is the US !!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 09:21 | 3249162 Bendromeda Strain
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Forget about the

long awaited monetary disaster. Its so

not going to happen!

Riiiight... cuz math has been rescinded in the new normal. Where exactly did you go to get that free lunch?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:57 | 3249640 He_Who Carried ...
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You're still in Gold, right?

Send me your wife, I'll find

a job for her while you fart

at home into your pillows...  :-))

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:06 | 3249800 NidStyles
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Not only are you a moron, you're a disrespectful troll hiding.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 08:15 | 3249119 Winston Churchill
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My thought also, but I'm not sure how recent  an event it was.I think he had early

onset sometin in his fifties.It would explain a lot.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 09:20 | 3249160 verum quod lies
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He has always been like that. As Art Laffer used to say (barely paraphrasing): "The only question I have about Greenspan is when he is talking will his drool will hit the table or floor first?"

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:24 | 3250097 El Oregonian
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Lord, can you imagine (I'm sure you can't) having to look up and see that slobbering/dripping wrinkling face peering down at you? I shutter to think what that hangnail hag Andrea Mitchell thinks when looking up? I think I'd vomit...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:30 | 3248773 sunaJ
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JFC, the madness (and sadness) in this man is so apparent - complemented nicely by an infinitely-befuddled and cracked-out Bartiromo.  I am using this as my new addition to show plainly to my industrious but blind friends the insanity of our central planning.  It is there if you tell them to really watch: both of them.  So obvious, a caveman can see it.

 

Edit: Remind yourselves, this is a man that once said something about irrational exuberance and the markets swooned.  He has dropped the double-speak and is full-tilt admitting that we are fucked.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:34 | 3248793 Element
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 02:34 | 3248937 Bananamerican
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"He has dropped the double-speak"

"not only are stock markets a leading indicator of economic activity, they are a major cause of it" (hmm, and I suppose, "tails are notorious wag-ers of dogs")

I wouldn't say he's dropped much, sunaj

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:09 | 3248751 flacon
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How do you folks like being referred to by the ~MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE~ as a "consumer". That's all you are in his mind (besides being a slave), you are a CONSUMER.

 

"Consume more you fat bitch. Eat it and love it. More, more, MOAR!".

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:56 | 3248810 sunaJ
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As I have taken steps to prepare for the Great Fucking Transition (GFT), I have come to know the Farm Service Agency.  In educating myself in their programs and their central-planning psyche, I was a little creeped-out by their use of the terms "consumer" and "producer", justifying their self-described raison d'etre.  I like some of their "producer" resources, but I am sick at the feeling I get when I realize I was considered only a "consumer" by my government for the vast majority of my life.

Long Live The Republic?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 04:03 | 3248982 macholatte
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I am sick at the feeling I get when I realize I was considered only a "consumer" by my government

 

useless eater ........ feel better now

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 09:15 | 3249156 Hippocratic Oaf
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The only way he can now feel somewhat significant is to be purposefully shocking.
Break this horses leg so I can shoot him.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 23:41 | 3248699 NemoDeNovo
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and his Big Nose wife Andrea Mitchel of MSLSD fame

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 23:52 | 3248715 DoChenRollingBearing
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Greenspam, the greatest ever?  Bigger than The Bernank?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:27 | 3248781 jeff montanye
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pound for pound.  with stronger physical resemblance to break any possible tie.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:50 | 3248820 zorba THE GREEK
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Greenspan: "Ignore the economy"

Zorba: "Ignore Greenspan"

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:50 | 3248821 paddy0761
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99% of "evil jew bankers" give the rest of them a bad name.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 04:04 | 3248983 Andy Lewis
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And yer the Nazi filth that gives Nazi filth a bad name.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 07:08 | 3249076 economics9698
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Fuck you.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 09:35 | 3249178 TradeRush
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No Fuck you Goebbels!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:39 | 3249261 fomcy
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Current FED balance sheet holding:

 

Some of the Items I see

 

Gold stock 11,041 0 0 11,041

 

What? FED holding GOLD stock? Interesting. Any highlights?

 

Source: http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

 

"10. Collateral Held against Federal Reserve Notes: Federal Reserve Agents' Accounts Millions of dollars Federal Reserve notes and collateral Wednesday Feb 13, 2013 Federal Reserve notes outstanding 1,379,246 Less: Notes held by F.R. Banks not subject to collateralization 256,247 Federal Reserve notes to be collateralized 1,122,999 Collateral held against Federal Reserve notes 1,122,999 Gold certificate account 11,037 Special drawing rights certificate account 5,200 U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities pledged (1,2) 1,106,762 Other assets pledged 0 Memo: Total U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities (1,2) 2,812,756 Less: Face value of securities under reverse repurchase agreements 76,666 U.S. Treasury, agency debt, and mortgage-backed securities eligible to be pledged 2,736,090 "

 

GOLD Certificate Account... Interesting.. So Ben While talking "gold is Relic " Open Gold Account. :)))

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:13 | 3249410 akarc
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Wasn't he the guy thyat said, "whoops?"

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:31 | 3249411 mdkersey
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The situation of his birth or his ancestry has nothing to do with this discussion: you should limit yourself to speaking of the man's opinions and judgement. To do otherwise tells us more about you than about him.

Many posts here are far, far beyond the pale.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 23:59 | 3248726 kliguy38
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He is telling you the game. Its ALL about CONtrolfidence. Without it they have nothing behind the newly printed fiat. Fiat REQUIRES the bluff. If they lose the bluff they lose the game. Good luck with the bluff trying to give the middle class their jobs back.....at least anywhere near their previous wage levels. Of course if you still have your jobs then you don't see it, but we've been in full depression for four years. Just ask the 22% unemployed.......not the faux number of 8%. GL fellow peeps....we're cannon fodder for their amusement.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:05 | 3248748 t0mmyBerg
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Here's the thing.  Even if the stock market matters for confidence (and that is debatable, he mentioned something like stocks PLUS housing correlated to 6% of GDP), that still does not mean that the Feds should actually manipulate the market to achieve that result.  WTF have we come to?  I mean even 5 years ago, polite people looked at you as if you had bunny ears if you really seriously thought the Feds might be controlling stocks, and here we are less than 100 months later and it is taken as routine and unremarkable?!?  For christs sake WTFF?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 07:10 | 3249077 economics9698
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The scumbag wants more QE for his buds on Wall Street.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:10 | 3248760 infinity8
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How much did that shrivelled troll get paid to come out of his cave/hive/whatever to spew that? Fucking shit-bag. Maria's voice gives me a rash and that was the most ridiculous "interview" i've seen since i-dont-know-when. You are absolutely right and I am ABSOLUTELY SICK of it.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:17 | 3248851 20834A
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+1 He'speaking to and of the 1%. The stock market IS the only 'economy' that matters to them. The rest of society is immaterial to them. They don't give a fuck if the 'little people' who pay taxes suffer.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 05:46 | 3249036 fiftybagger
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"He is telling you the game. Its ALL about CONtrolfidence"

I just voted "no confidence" and stacked more silver.

Silver For The People

http://www.brotherjohnf.com/

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 00:54 | 3248828 williambanzai7
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MOE GREENSPAN

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:01 | 3248836 gould's fisker
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WB a couple of weeks ago I told you we'd be hearing from Greenspan.  What a terrible affliction to be able to sense when Dr Economic Death is on humanity's doorstep once again doling out his twisted douchebagery.  I guess destroying an economy once is never enough.  I have to admit i feel sorry for moe.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:58 | 3248898 williambanzai7
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The Greenspan Effect: Allow a douchebag moron to continue to appear on TV and publish books and he won't keep his fucking trap shut.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 02:20 | 3248927 Bunga Bunga
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But people want to watch him and Cramer. An old saying says, that people get the leaders they deserve.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:21 | 3249244 yogibear
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He should be spending time with bubba in a prison cell.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:42 | 3249278 DonutBoy
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Damn you Banzai - you slander Mo

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:25 | 3250371 Moe Howard
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That shit will not go unpunished.............

 

In the midnight hour, she cried MOE MOE MOE!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 01:03 | 3248839 Falkor
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Pure Evil!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 10:18 | 3249238 midtowng
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When most of your wealth, and most of the wealth of the people you are talking to, is wrapped up in stocks and bonds, this statement sort of makes sense. At least from a perspective anyway.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:11 | 3249809 Clayton Bigsby
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Agreed.  That is just downright fucking alarming...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 05:36 | 3258736 MeelionDollerBogus
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holy shit, that's an actual +256. I saw that +100 icon guy here & there and figured it was another one.

Good show.

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 23:38 | 3248688 Xibalba
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Good thing AAPL is at all time highs!  

 

 

 

oh wait....

 

Good thing the Stock market isn't affected by stocks!  

Fri, 02/15/2013 - 23:55 | 3248723 DoChenRollingBearing
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But, we are near highs in many indices and other individual stocks.  I am a lousy preditor of the future, but it looks to me like lightening up on stocks (if you were smart enough to buy when they were lower) might be a smart move now.

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