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Guest Post: Gun Rights - Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”. 

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values. 

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.  

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads? 

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/03/first-molon-labe-town-in-america/

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience. 

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left. 

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration. 

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.             

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.            

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

http://defensedistributed.com/

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant. 

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support".  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.  

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…

 


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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Our government has been trying to control drugs for a hundred years, yet they are readily available to anyone who wants them.

 

Beg to differ, no they have not.

Could have been solved nearly overnight.Do it the Hong Kong way.(You sell/possess drugs, YOU DIE).

Simple and been damned effective.

Plus they have not tried to stop the war for various reasons, it brings in tons of wealth, and it allows the militarization, and additon of 1000's more agents,there is a method to the "Seeming" madness.

One just has to look behind the door.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Correct. It is not about controlling drugs, but controlling people through another bullshit excuse to enlarge the Police State.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment gnomon
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The crisis comes. Martial Law is declared.  The internet is taken offline.  Only approved State Media belches forth.  That is when you must come to the aid of your neighbors when they come for their firearms/supplies.  And they must do the same for you.  We must hang together or surely hang separately.

And trust that however it goes down for you, you have done one of the most noble, honorable things in your life.

Let a million little insurrections bloom, if they decide to go nuclear on Liberty.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment CH1
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It will never be that distinct.

They will ALWAYS supply a reason to believe - a reason to comply without calling yourself a coward.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment gnomon
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WRONG!  If you know your neighbors, you give THEM the benefit of the doubt.  Why would you not after what has gone down these last few years?  I would not want to be the assholes assaulting a house only to find out they are taking fire from behind by two or three neighbors.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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The human mind can, and will, justify anything in the right conditions. There is no end to the lows one will entertain once human dignity has been compromised........

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment gnomon
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And yet there are revolts when the time is ripe, when Liberty and Property are being raped and the Rule of Law has been supplanted by tyrants.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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But it's not just a handful of corrupt government officials and bankers who are destroying our liberty and property is it? There is an active 47-55% of the citizenry that is complicit in the theft of both. They will not participate in any revolutionary actions, nor will the majority of those who enjoy the perception of freedom and economic prosperity due to their present standard of living, which is quite comfortable and enjoyable. Most people will not rock the boat because they want to get in the boat, they will surrender much, much more liberty and property than you can imagine, and they will justify it ALL in order to survive another day...........

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment g speed
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sad but true--except maybe its 75 percent

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 16:58 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Luckily they're all lazy as dogshit and the only real way they can hurt us is by being surveillance monkies for the state.  See something say something for your food allotment.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment The Thunder Child
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Duplicate

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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I guess we would need to backtrack and ask the native Americans if they would be willing to peacefully share, the Ice Tea could put down his gun.

www.tradewithdave.com/?p=15385

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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First they took my freedom to travel, but I wasn't a traveller so I said nothing, then they took over my "healthcare" but I was a bitch so I said nothing, then they took the guns but guns are scary so I said nothing, then they confiscated my 401k and pension but I had no nuts so I said nothing, then they came for my children and wife and I was still a bitch so I said nothing.......

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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hense,  911... exactly 4,213 days thereon-- one man from a faraway land, set on course a deliberated legacy of diabolical triumph in the name of 'willful obfuscated freedom'?

jmo

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment walcott
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Pray for all the good people now and throughout histoy who wanted to take your guns. 

Pope Benedict, Dianne Feistein, Michale Moore, Piers Morgan, Michael Blooberg, Adolph Hitler, Fidel Castro, Mao, Stalin, King George. 

And throw all the evil patriots (regular people) throughout history under the bus

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Nathan Hale, Patrick Henry, Paul Revere, Ron Paul, JFK,

Stewart Rhodes

who defend liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of worship and the right to arm and defend yourself. And erase shitty things like the declaration of independence from history. 

 

and zerohedge and all their readers and anybody who knows this is absolute bullshit what's taking place!

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment conspicio
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"America is a whorehouse... where the revolutionary ideals of your forefathers... are corrupted and sold in alleys by vendors of capitalism..."

 

Red Dawn, 1984

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Nobody downvotes a Red Dawn quote!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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I know this is completly insane.  I could safely guess that one downvote came from AnAnonymous. Another one from a DHHS employee who is angred at all he is reading and to cope with his internal conflict with what he is reading verses what his masters have been telling him? He reacted with instinct and just pushed the downvote. The third?

Either way what they read will effect them... one way ot the other.

Lines in the sand.... and all that.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment conspicio
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WOLVERINES!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime. We are the first and last line. If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come. This is our responsibility. This is our providence. There can be no complacency. There can be no compromise. There can be no fear. It ends on this ground. One way, or another…
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Roger that, bro. We, Americans, are a special breed in humanity, especially for those who are graced with being from the central matrix of Americanism, named America.

Freedom, truth and justice under our guidance have progressed as never before.

We are the last line to hold before the Statist and their tyranny.

We will hold because we are Americans. And holding for Freedom, Truth and Justice, that is we Americans do.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Future Jim
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Are you allowed to tell us for whom you are a paid shill?

More specifically, are those of you who write under this pseudonym allowed to tell us for whom you think are a paid shill? You are all certainly being played by someone higher up than whoever is paying you, and their agenda is probably different than what you've been told.

... but I guess you need the money pretty badly to do this kind of work ...

It is never to late to become the person you've always wanted to be and embrace the soul of your humanity.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment InHayekWeTrust
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This is an article from "The Onion," right?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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A big sguad of military helicopters just flew over the house, and shook the whole fucking thing. 15 years living in this area and I've never seen anything like it. The only time I've seen any military aircraft around here was during 911,and that was only two jets. The last time I remember seeing anything like I saw today was growing up by an arsenal. It was normal to see lots of military equipment. This .....today was weird.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Hulk
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No need to worry Doc, they are just going to fight the aliens who are arriving to earth in meteors.

Time to dust off your Radio Shack Color Organ and learn to communicate with them.

Might even want to dig up Francois Truffaut and see if he can be of any help...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment g speed
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just the national guard weekend duty grind-- a whole bunch of guys that signed up for extra pay and have to do the required weekend stuff- they like it less than you do---

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Another fabled past based article.

'Americans' cant do without their fabled past drug.

'Americans' cant stand on their own without their take of fantasy.

Since when guns as they were used in the US is an example of guns being used to serve freedom?

Since US Americans lavishly used guns to maintain human beings in slavery? Just after they declared freedom an unalienable human right?

Just keep applying the 'american' pattern, buddy, it wont get old because of that.

Owning guns is a human right. It just happens that things that are deprived of guns ownership are no human beings, they are sub humans or non humans.

'Americans' already solved the problem.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment gnomon
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You are one fucking, incoherent idiot.  You need to get out of that opium den you post from and go look for a bullet to the back of your head.  

Run out into traffic and squeal that the PLA are running dogs whose balls have shriveled up from too many testosterone injections.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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More ad hominem by a barking 'american'.

As a stalwart defender of civilization, you 'american' have not yet gotten what ad hominem mean?

Djee, the 'american' nature is eternal...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Rusty Trombone
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Me Chinese, Me pray Joke , Me Put Pee Pee in you Coke.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment RSBriggs
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Don't feed the asshole troll....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Yes, it is true and 'american' proven.

If you dont feed trolls, they leave.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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I think you just said, Don't Pay Your Fucking Income Taxes.  I'll be damned if that's the first thing you've implied that I totally agree with....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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As long as you agree with 'americanism', well, it makes it.

Oh, wait, as an 'american', you do not have that option, it is either be 'american' or die, well...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:39 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous dancing with strawsmen:

Another fabled past based article.

'Americans' cant do without their fabled past drug.

More Chinese citizenism fantasy and offuscationism.

History of Chinese citizenism is repeation of two things: distorting the fabled past and farming the myth.

But hey, when you are running a distortion racket, when wokking the dog might as well wok the entire kennel.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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;-))

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly. Force them to show their true colors. Expose their dishonor and maliciousness. Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.
_______________________

Could the same works for 'americans'? Let them just act so they put down the masks?

Ummmm, well, an idea to explore somehow.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Rusty Diggins
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junked ya because of your consistency "buddy"

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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But, but, but it means that this post did not collect the consent of an 'american'?

But, but, how heart stricking is that?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous asked:

But, but, but it means that this post did not collect the consent of an 'american'?

But, but, how heart stricking is that?

Not to worrying. Under Chinese citizenism, if heart go bad, can always harvest a new one from Tibetan. Best to get them pre-incinerated, though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277907/Horrifying-image-Tibetan...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Useless to go that far.

'Americans' immolate left, right and center.

But hey, better to look away rather than at 'american' societies.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, displaying evasion and denial in the best tradition of Chinese citizenism, showing again its nature, which is eternal (and irresistable, for Indo European Han people), said:

But hey, better to look away rather than at 'american' societies.

Laughable.

Not a point. You sidetracked on dilution for any cause you did not declare.

More strawsmen and offuscation, wok calling the cooking marmit black.

Shows nature of Chinese citizenism not only eternal, also having endless repeations vociferously.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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;-))

         ;-)>

                   !!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment De minimus
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The republican party leadership is now "owned" by the democrats, who in reality and in fact are  "Marxists" .

Remember all those little zippergates we had a few years back? Don't for one minute think that we have heard all of them, just enough to scare the republicans into doing what the Marxists want done and not so much so as to remove the veil as well as the level of power from their hands.

Marxists have a playbook and they use it over and over because it works. The media will never tell because they are Marxist to the core and helping to drive it, if not leading it.

Make sense now?

 

Ps. DHS just purchased several billion rounds of 40 calibre hollowpoint. For qualification purposes they say. I wonder, considering the circumstances, and the fact that it's enough ammo to shoot every American 5 times, do you believe them?

I do not.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Clark Bent
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I wonder where they are keeping all that ammo. Such a large amount might have a tendency to get lost. Is there nobody out there who might have some fall off the truck. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment Curt W
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I saw an article that said DHS uses 15 million rounds a year on practice ranges, and that they were purchasing 750 million rounds for that purpose.

50 years worth?

I do not believe

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment gbresnahan
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I thought this was the country "of the people, by the people, for the people"?

How do we remind our (public) servants who's in charge around here?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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WeThePeople are still in charge. WeThePeople aka the 'american' middle class.

Noise in the static comes from one thing:

some 'americans' are pushed away from their 'american' middle class status.

'Americans' have a strong entitlement spirit.

The result is that those 'americans' who are less and less middle class or even middle class no more, keep considering themselves as middle class. Therefore, they keep thinking the 'american' government should continue to serve them.

Bad news: the 'american' government serves the middle class. You're no longer middle class? Either you can pay to buy favour as the higher class is compelled to or well, you come to terms with the fact an 'american' government is not meant to serve you.

The way 'americanism' is.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment moondog
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Chinese citizenism and depravity is seen in their taking of organs from prisoners and military conscripts.
If Chinese citizenism spreads like disease to rest of Asia, they destroy lands, poison water and steal organs from citizens just like they do in China.
Chinese citizenism is evil and devoid of morals or mercy.
China executes more prisoners than all other countries in the world put together.
China hates human life. This is a characteristic of Chinese citizenism.

Chinese citizenism is all about conquering, raping, pillaging and blobbing-up.

Save the roadsides from the waste of billions of Chinese!

The world must put an end to the scourge of Chinese citizenism.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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That is a good work of fiction there, that chinese citizenism.

Might be worth trying to sell it to Hollywood.

'Americans' like this kind of stories that divert them from their own achievements thanks to 'americanism'

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment moondog
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Your words are like Chinese roadside achievements. Smelly, and piled high.

Your mind is washed with Chinese citizenism.

Fiction is for minds that create. Know you not fiction in reverse engineered, Chinese citizen created copy of American citizenism society.

Your reality is non-fiction, toxic cloud of death Chinese citizenism. May your lungs breathe the black cloud of Chinese citizenism for the formation of cancer.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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But the Founding Fathers were statists. They never hid they worshipped the State. Early 'americans' reveled in crushing stateless societies, underlining how an 'american' society was so superior to stateless societies for one reason: the State.

It is always funny that 'americans', when looking at their past, forgot to mention that their 'american' ancestors were living just next to stateless societies and that, already, in 'american' societies, the State was as big as it could be.

'Americans' by their nature, are Statists. Them trying to deny it is one of these 'american' farces 'americans' are compelled to play because they can not face the 'american' history as it is.

Points made by this 'american' propagandist rely on a fabled past.

Early 'americans' did not use guns to promote freedom. They used them to maintain slavery.

Early 'americans' by all measures were among the biggest statists of their times. They worshipped the State and spitted on stateless societies.

Etc

It is just another 'american' who want other 'americans' to regroup around his nest of cheap propaganda and fabula.

As their 'american' nature force 'americans' to act.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Wrong.  Infact, stupid.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Ah, the consequences of the consent of the governed.

Always amazing to see how 'americans' think that it is enough to tell that something is wrong... Their words is power.

What is wrong? That 'america' was nexting stateless societies? That 'america' was much advanced statewise? That 'america' crushed stateless societies?

Is it what is wrong? Is it what is stupid?

The consent of the governed. 'Americans': "if we deny reality hard enough, reality will comply. We are Americans. Nothing resist us."

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment nmewn
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No, you bloviating bag of bullshit.

If you had actually read AND COMPREHENDED the Bill of Rights you would have discovered they had great misgivings about creating a CENTRALIZED federal government.

Thats why the Bill of Rights exists.

Again, don't you have some new born little girls to commit state sponsored genocide on China-Man?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Oh yes? They had great misgiving about creating a centralized federal government?

But had no issue with creating an imposing State structure for their own times while living next to state less societies?

One could guess that the building of a superior State is to be seen as the emancipation: something that could not be done right now but should be performed in the future.

'Americans' and their truer than true stance...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You're kinda retarded aintcha?

What "stateless society" are you talking about...Indians? You sayin the American Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes...maybe perhaps not even any wars among them BEFORE whitey showed up?

No, I didn't think so...lol...idiot.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Makes you want to spray AA with windex and stake him down on top of a fire anthill, don't it !!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Good to read that the other 'american' does not inspire the same feeling.

That is human selection as performed by 'americans' and how they select like minded people.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Isn't there a tank somewhere that you can stand in front of ???

(and my apologies to the fellow who had the balls to do that 20 years ago...)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment New_Meat
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it doesn't have the cojones to do that, that is, to stand for something.

yawn, made me bored

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Ah, 'americans', you wont make them...

See that fine example of 'americanism' and what mental gymnastics he is forced in to make up for its beloved 'americanism'

So

One states that Indian societies were stateless societies.

This 'american' is forced to translate this as:
_____________________________
You sayin the American Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes...maybe perhaps not even any wars among them BEFORE whitey showed up?
______________________________

Read it up again, it might be hard to believe, even for 'americans'

From the statement of Indian societies were stateless societies, it turned into Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes, crowned by the race card being played to trump it all.

Wonderful.

Well, no, the statement that Indian societies were stateless societies simply means that they had no State.

Who could have figured that out? In all evidences, not that fine specimen of 'americanism'.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Rusty Diggins
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Chinese Founding fathers had their bowel movements examined daily to determine the proper course for blobbing up.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The Chinese had founding fathers?

'Americans' or how fantasy is their shelter...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, failed academic turned Chinese citizenism propagandator, said:

But the Founding Fathers blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' reveled in blah blah blah...
'Americans' by their nature blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' did not blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' by all measures blah blah blah...

Etc

Endlessly repeation of your rejected thesis will not give unrejection.

It is just another 'american' who want other 'americans' to regroup around his nest of cheap propaganda and fabula.

It is just another Indo European Han propagandationist who want to blob up Chinese citizenism to beyondness of Andromeda and Horsehead Nebula.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Once the elections are rigged, there is no need to represent the people, only the riggers.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Gun ownership was never particularly widespread in the UK so it was easy to control. The revolvers of Victorian England were carried by middle-class gents rather than being widespread which is why the Police Force was always unarmed. It was relatively easy to restrict gun ownership and it came AFTER World War One when guns might have become more available and when fear of Communist Insurrection as in Germany or Russia probably worried the Government with high rates of unemployment and conflict in Ireland. The main Acts were 1920, 1937, 1968, 1997 followed by the lunatic 2006 Act restricting sale of plastic replicas

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment onlooker
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There was a spike up in gun prices and many retail stores are short on stock. However, in the open marketplace prices are dropping and sales are decreasing as the need may have been met.

One can certainly make a firearm but the price even in this inflated market makes a purchase much more reasonable.

 

Ammunition is another matter. Many types are difficult to find and prices have increased. 223 is 70c to $1 a round. There are still some that are % higher but “reasonable” in today’s market. A smart buyer will look to the ammunition supply and buy that, and then the firearm to match.

One can save the brass casings and reload shells. However, this crunch is like the last crunch, primers and powder are in short supply. One has to stay ahead of the curve. Many bought heavy as they saw Obama might win. That was a profit move. Short supply is 9mm, 223, 7.62x39, and rimfire 22. If the imported ammunitions is being stopped by Customs as some report, the ammunition squeeze could continue for months, or forever depending upon legislation or a Presidential Order.

Ammo is the critical part of the equation.

 

Read the new proposed California Laws carefully. California is the blue print as it was last time. Do NOT break these laws, and there are hidden parts like the registration that asks who the gun was loaned to. It has been a felony to loan a gun in California for years.

 

Do NOT break these laws. California is in desperate need of money. Fines , fees and penalties may not be the worst of it. In some areas of the U.S drugs found on property can lead to confiscation of the property. Have no doubt that California will seize assets including real estate.

Moving is not an option for many. But, it is certainly something to consider. One thing you do not want is to put your family in danger because you do not comply with a law that you feel is un-constitutional. Dead or in jail does not win the game.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:37 | Link to Comment moondog
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STOP spending money in states like California, Missouri and NY (KILL their tourism). Move your family and your $$ to a gun friendly state (use local Credit Unions, and buy local products - NO California/NY produce). The bonus in moving is that gun friendly states will typically have much lower taxes and be more business friendly. Let's starve the beast!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment gnomon
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I have done the same for some time now.  Make them Pay!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment TrumpXVI
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Primers are the key.

It might be too late to stock up on them; don't know as I haven't tried to buy any in years.  I've still got at least 5k Rem 7.5BR small rifle primers in their boxes.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Bad Attitude
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A coworker who does a lot of reloading is having serious trouble buying primers. They are in shorter supply than regular ammunition.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Don't make me get off the couch, Bitchez............

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Our problem is we let the collectivists in and they stole everything they felt was worth stealing, then broke what was left.  Now they are arrogant enough to throw it in our faces.  They can't understand that they have crossed the line in a way that makes people view all of their past actions through a different lense with this gun nonsense. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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An Indian could state the same, replacing the word "collectivist" by 'americans'

__________________

Our problem is we let the Americans in and they stole everything they felt was worth stealing, then broke what was left. Now they are arrogant enough to throw it in our faces. They can't understand that they have crossed the line in a way that makes people view all of their past actions through a different lense with this gun nonsense.
_________________

Well, did not end that well for Indians...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:31 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous, subterfuging the dialoggery, said:

An Indian could state the same, replacing the word "collectivist" by 'americans'

A Tibetan (or a Kachin in north of Burma) could state the same, replacing the word 'americans' by ' Chinese citizenism Indo European Han citizens'.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Rustysilver
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Like I stated before, during the communist days in Central Europe, (either Romania or Hungary; I can't tell the difference between the two) you

had to register the typewriter. Yes, fukkn' typewriters. That did them a lot of good.

US and European .gov are scared. They don't know what to do.  All they're doing is collecting data b/c they think that might help.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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'American' governments are indeed scared. They are scared to death.

Just as this was written, one or two 'american' political servants just died out of stress.

'Americanism' has scared them to death... No, no, they can not do what their predecessors did before but this time, fully covered by 'american' mantra. No, sir, I swear it is not the case.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Thanks to modern technology Americans get their computers, their 21st century typewriters, automatically registered when they logon to the internet.  That saves a lot of police work and breaking down of doors.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment akarc
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I CALL OUTDATED RHETORIC! 

While the post contains many emotional touch buttons and perpetuates the meme put out by people who have no intention of doing anything, it does at least, sound good. If not total fantasy, that at one point in time could have been true but is nothing but the spouting of dinasour caricatures now.

The oppourtunities to take action have presented themselves on numerous occasions in the past. If the robo repo of veterans homes was not enough to bring people out. Or the threatened condemnation under emminent domain of Rivera Beach, Florida so homes could be stolen and property given to Yaght club developers couldn't bring people out. If the fact that no BANKSTER has gone to jail over what you or I would go to jail for as they stole money from every working class American can't bring people out. What the fuck do you think will? The theft of all the gold at the bottom of lakes (where my guns happen to reside at the moment). The very people who spout this rhetoric sat on their asses as occupiers were met with overwhelming force and unconstitutional tactics.

"The Occupy movement is an international protest movement against social and economic inequality, its primary goal being to make the economic and political relations in all societies less vertically hierarchical and more flatly distributed. Local groups often have different foci, but among the movement's prime concerns is the claim that large corporations and the globalfinancial system control the world in a way that disproportionately benefits a minority, undermines democracy and is unstable."

Which is a sentiment that is often echoed here on Zero Hedge in any variety of word combinations. Yet whether you agreed with Occupy or not, you can not deny that there was a whole scale violation, nay a crushing, of individual liberties and constitutional rights by those sworn to uphold the constitution but were all to happy to get them some.......

To cheers of the dirty hippies deserved what they got???????

And whether you agree with occupy or not, people like oath keepers (joke) and others should have been on the front lines defending them even if they did not agree with their ideas. They should have been ready to defend their constitutional rights to express them.

I can say this because I have had involvement w/ many such groups. They proclaim their agenda to be constitutional freedom but all to often is nothing more than a vehicle by which to promote their selfish political agenda and not one that protects the rights of "ALL" individuals.

When I posited to one organization that you can not advocate for and seek support for your own rights if you are not willing to advocate for and seek protection of the rights of those whom you may disagree with, they threatened me. I took action, I lost money, my life was endagered. The organization no longer operates in this area. Note the operative words. "It cost me time and money". How many will risk that over a "cause?" 

In the 60's how many heads had to be banged in before the populace finally woke up to say enough is enough and gathered on greens of Washington and told the government get the hell out of Vietnam?

But that was then. And while many of the faux revolutionaries are stacking guns and ammo. The government is stacking Better guns, better ammo, better serveilance, drones, militerazation of buercratic agencies, cordoning off legitimate protest sites, i.e. out of site out of mind. Controlliing the media with no fly zones over breaking news. And if you think soldiers will not violate their oath and come after you............

In other words, the failure to lock and load in the past as rendered your guns today impotent unless you have an overwhelming desire to be a martry who will be forgotten in a few days time as Bieber tweets choke the internet and clandestine communication is beyond the understanding of most internet users.

Do the math. Alot of guns are floating around out there. Multiple ownership of many. Now subtract those who just like to own guns and bitch from those who might actually take action? The past dictates that the gun owners do little while the unarmened take to the streets, get their heads beat in and are called scum by the uber constitutiioalist???

Otherwise known as penis envy!

The other shift that scares me is the extreme dividions between political parties and advocate groups.  Say beyond all odds and with the help of a miracle or two various factions were able to overthrow the corrupt facsimlie of what passes for our government.  What will it be replaced with?  Uber right wing christians?  Uber left wing socialists. To be honest the fear of what may replace the present is as palpable as the fear of the present.

Scary observation number two: It's seems a lot of the gun toting faction is more focused on religion, race, creed, unions, poor people, immigrants as being the cause of our problems. Then again they are easy to fight/bully. Not like going up against a real enemy that will flat kick your ak47 ass! Most especially when you look behind you and find your other gun toting friends are in the house with their blinds drawn.

As some one who as been advocating for a pre-emptive strike for over 40 years I look around at the rhetoric today and laugh and puke at the same time.  Were Sun Tzu alive today he would do same.

aka rc  

 http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/ 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment kayl
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@akarc

1. We will not be forgotten for standing up. Our children will know.

2. Like Dorner, if everyone took out two or three, the conflict would soon be over since we have the numbers.

3. The Vietnam War ended, not because of protests, but research shows it ended because of fragging.

So when fragging starts within the ranks of gov, state, and local enforcers, the tide will turn.

4. Wedge issues keep the people divided, but patriots look through them already

5. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must wait until the ugly face of tyranny has unveiled itself.

6. What should take the place of gov? A Constitutional Republic if we can restore it.

 

Gun registration is the line. Burn outs across the country, July4Patriot-style, is the torch of Paul Revere.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment akarc
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Kayl,

 

1. We will not be forgotten for standing up. Our children will know.

We, individuals who do stand up, will also know. We will also know who hasn't by their lack of presence anywhere but disussion forum.

2. Like Dorner, if everyone took out two or three, the conflict would soon be over since we have the numbers.

Guerilla warfar is the only option left. Though my own experience, and again that is just my experience, is that we do not have the numbers.

3. The Vietnam War ended, not because of protests, but research shows it ended because of fragging.

So when fragging starts within the ranks of gov, state, and local enforcers, the tide will turn.

This sent me on a search to find some good reading. Thanks. Apparently it was a combination of fragging, rampant drug use, deserations, awols and the awareness of the increasing resistance at home.  I wonder if there are any good stats re the caliber of serviceman at that juncture in history versus the caliber of todays service man/woman.  And this is in no way a condemnation of servicemen of any era as I support them wholeheartedly.  My involvement w/ many vets however at times reveals a mindset that demonstrates a lack of understanding of todays issues.

I run across leo who in private will express dissenting opinions. Have also seen some during PGR runs who will passive aggressively disobey orders and find that encouraging.

4. Wedge issues keep the people divided, but patriots look through them already.

You are correct. And many of my postings are designed to call attention to the differences. Constitutional Patriots do not judge people by their religion. A popular sport here.

5. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must wait until the ugly face of tyranny has unveiled itself.

It hasn't yet???

6. What should take the place of gov? A Constitutional Republic if we can restore it.

Agreed

Gun registration is the line. Burn outs across the country, July4Patriot-style, is the torch of Paul Revere.

Hmmm, just what is gun registration anyway <G>

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment kayl
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akarc,

1. Contributions will be in many spheres of activity: combat, recon, supply, medical, religious services, etc. Never judge or presume you know what the contributions of others should or will be. The undergrounds and gray markets will be in play too.

2. The young people today (under 25) are a sullen and self-absorbed bunch. The boomlet generation numbers almost as large as the boomers. They are getting stopped, groped, and shuffled into and out of jails. They are learning how to hustle because there are no jobs. Asymmetrical warfare is an historical tradition in America. Woe be to TPTB if the younger generation unites with their fathers and older patriots. They will be out in numbers just 'cause. I see it as a necessary factor in the revolution.

3. Thanks for the nudge. Of course, the war ended based on many factors. Fragging is one that is almost never discussed. We have many cultural differences between then and now. No draft: the stats on drug use, desertions, and AWOLS are probably lower. Suicides are up, which indicates an internalization of guilt and remorse and the effeminization of the male culture. Men in the 60's said: "Fuck it and started fragging." Men today, in essence, blow themselves up. The service men today have a lack of knowledge in history. They don't need to be smart, just discern the patterns of history.

4. Ditto.

5. Civil war takes many years to develop, like on a scale of 10 to 20 years. TPTB are in the process of unveiling the hierarchy. But revolutionary war takes both sides to be ready. The PTB have squelched massive dissent for these ongoing wars. They have divided the young among themselves between an avid bunch of protesters and apathetic underachievers. They have divided the young from their fathers' generation: this was a key element to the protests in the 60s. The military is not disaffected and fragging yet. High taxes and inflation has not broken the backs of the people yet. Food, communications, and energy are still flowing. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must hang back until the government makes a horrendous move.

6. Registration is a legal contract. You are representing your corporate fiction to give up your right to all decisions regarding the personal use of your firearm, and you place yourself under Admiralty law with body attachment for failure to abide by the terms and conditions of the contract. Look up the word register in the Black's Law Dictionary 4th ed.

Under the Uniform Commercial Code, when you receive a contract and don't reply, the presumption is that you have accepted the terms and conditions of the contract. Therefore, if you receive a request to register, politely acknowledge the request and return it rejected for failure to make a claim for which relief may be granted. Remember the 2nd Amendment.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:22 | Link to Comment akarc
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Kayl, thanks for your response. All good thoughts that bear condideration. It may be that over the years I have become a bit jaded and suspect.  Over the years I have watched many who have become disillusioned  and have adopted the mantra, "I just want to be left alone."

It is hard to for some who have followed what they believe to be a noble cause only to find it is as full of the lies as that which they profess to be against.

Although I believe I know what the anser is not, I can not profess to have any clues as to what the answer is.  As a nation we have had a good deal longer than 20 years of corruption.  Much it involving out and out theft at the hands of of the corporate/government alliance.

 

I live in a town with two major universities full of students that rarely ventur off campus and have little real world experience and/or knowledge. A town Highly dependent on state jobs occupied by employees who suffer abuses daily for fear of losing their jobs.  Granted it is a conservative town in a conservative state which may skew my own observations.  

What I see is a national government  whose abuses are accelerating versus a populace that  if they do give a damn are are reluctant to verbalize it much less take action.   

 

I find it all extremely depressing. 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment israhole
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Americans are all talk no action, and the Jew World Order knows it.  They let you keep your guns as if guns do anything sitting in a closet, while you debate about keeping your weapons, almost as if asking permission.

When it really comes time to confiscate, let's see what all the big talkers do when an alphabet agency picks up their kids from school,  suggesting if they ever want to see their brats again they cough up the weapons.

Americans will fold like a cheap lawn chair, resting easy believing they didn't have a choice just like the rest of the hens. They can't even put down a bag of chips, but they'll fight to the death?  Sure.

The time to use weapons is now, before the push to take them, but the average American 'tard is too doped up and dumbed down to know it.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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When the time for confiscation comes, Jesus would have come back already.

'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

Confiscation of guns is not an option.

Confiscation of guns is one favourite fantasy of 'americans'

Wont happen. You do not get rid of guns when you are an extorter and a farmer.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment kayl
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@israhole

Everything is at stake in this war. There is no morality. Remember "no quarter asked or given." We can arrive at their doorsteps too. Dorner has shown it to be true.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   The internal issues that these self indulged politicians, bankers, corp. oligarchists, are causing are not just restricted to "We The People".

 

 

    A large portion of the world is fed up with the over reach of U.S. policy. I'm sure those external axioms/factions are just sitting back and watching the "Gong Show" with baited breath. They would love to see the system tear itself apart without firing a single round...

   Ex; Bear Bombers Over Guam | Washington Free Beacon

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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   it's strange to think such a thing could happen in my lifetime, and yet here we are. the tension in the air is getting thicker, the anger and desperateness is starting to boil. trust in the government is shot, gone as they have proven themselves untrustworthy to over and over again.

the only ones left extolling the virtues and rightness of the abomination that sits in power in DC are those who are to frightened, have grown to addled and corrupted themselves or simply do not wish to take personal responsibility for there futures and their fate. unwilling or unable to step out of there own myopic, prescription drug induced, food stamp feed normalcy bias. they are the ones who will except any loss of freedom, any violation of rights and liberties in order to stay safely inside their bubble. just keep them entertained and distracted keep them feed, keep them addled and diminished with anti-anxiety, or anti- psychotic synthetic poison, give them a boogie man to fear and they will give up their very souls, with both hands.

these are the people we need to reach out to now as best as we can.

the rest of us are as ready as we can be I think, we've made up our minds and decided to follow the path set for us by our founding fathers to whatever end that might lead us to. no living on our knees, no begging for the scrapes off the table, no FEMA camps or jackboots stomping us while waiting in the bread line, literally, economically or metaphorically. 

I am no rambo, my battle so far has been fought with words, with sings and stats and facts in an attempt to reach out to others, to protest and let the PTBs know that many of us, of "we the people" are still watching and we don't approve of the bullshit they do in our names.

I am no rambo and I don't relish the idea....but I will stand and I will fight if and when the time comes. I don't know how well I will do or how long I will last, frankly I don't know if I'm to old to make a decent solider but I've accepted and found peace with the idea that I may have to do more than just exercise my right to freedom of speech, association and assembly, of little of them that remains anyways, in order to live free.

when words or peaceful actions no longer effect change, when your voice as a free citizen is strangled and crushed by a system run by the corrupt and despotic who seek only to enhance their power by taking everything from you that made you a free individual in the first place...well maybe it's time we start speaking the only language they will understand.

godspeed to all the patriots, wherever you are.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Little John
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Now that he war on drugs is nearing a victorious completion it just makes sense to shift those resources to a war on guns.  A few short decades of unpleasantness  and we will have peaceful society free from injustice and racism.  Why would we not trust the government? 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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That was a very good MDB impression. It was aliens, LIBERT-ALIENS

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment oefi
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One big flaw: you can't educate the public. 95% don't give a shit about beeing a slave or not.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The 'american' middle class is free. They do not need education.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment DosZap
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One big flaw: you can't educate the public. 95% don't give a shit about beeing a slave or not.

Until they realize WHAT they are, then they will give a shit.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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sorry for -1 but history shows you are wrong.

I WISH you were right, I wish I could +1 you for hope, but sadly history shows even right to the death camps many will believe anything but the truth because then they must admit they helped author their own death warrants. These sheep in denial would never admit they helped sign their own death warrants.

So +1 for hope -1 for historical precedent & -1 is how I marked it.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What happened by the way to that 'american' negro, Droner?

Ah, this is one of this twist in history.

Just think, if that guy was an Indo European, he would be the standard bearer, a one man vanguard for a large scale 'american' movement of armed 'americans' assaulting the State.

Alas, alas, alas, this 'american' is a negro so it relieves the brave hearted 'american' indo europeans from following in the negro's steps...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Just think, if that guy was an Indo European Han Chinese citizenism citizen, he would be distorting the fabled past and farming the myth.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment q99x2
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A peaceful solution exists but it requires organization.

You got your gun owners

Your health conscious athletes

You got your musicians

Your mothers and fathers

You got your software tech programmers

Your artists and authors

You got your activist students

Your unemployed youth.

Your Stanford Lawyers

Incarcerated drug users

Those trying to hold onto the family money

And everyone in the States and all over the world

Against the FED banksters and Washington D.C.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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The reason there are no solutions to gun rights is there is no inherent problem in people's right to own guns.  The phrase "a solution in search of a problem" is appropo here.

But, like everything in the statists' agenda, the stated problem is simply a misdirection to the desired outcome.  The desired outcome is to reduce the ability of the governed to challenge the central state.  The veil is "protecting" children and other innocent citizens from the "scourge" of gun violence.  It's startling how many are hypnotized by these statist spells.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Professor Fate
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Time to give praise where it is earned.  You have to thank Obama and the liberals for two things.  First: The arming of America. (No one could have done it better)  Everyone is buying a firearm thanks to the Chuckie Schumers, Obamas, Feinsteins and other assorted leftist anti-constitutionalist nutjobs.  And Second:  the segragating of America.  The country is well on its way to becoming two nations again over slavery.  But this time, the slavery is not about racism.  It is about the slavery of remaining "true" Americans to a few hundred power hungry politicians in the District of Oz   The fact is, if we had more like Gov. Perry (like him personally or not) wooing big business to tax friendly / labor friendly states, the entitlement states like Illinois / Kalifornica would collapse.  I read that State Farm is on its way out of Illinois and on its way to Dallas.  What a shame for "Rahmland".   

Fate the Magnificent

"Push the Button, Max" 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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First: The arming of America. (No one could have done it better) Everyone is buying a firearm thanks to the Chuckie

_____________________

It was stated a long time ago. 'American' nature is eternal and 'americans' are predictable.

'Americans' will always favour solutions that bring in more consumption over solutions that reduce consumption.

As a reminder, here was the summary posted on the article telling about Obama's 23 points:

____________________
Nothing unexpected. Goes as foretold.

'American' plan is simple as usual:

1-Consumption
2-More consumption
3-More consumption
4-More consumption
5-More consumption
6-Still more consumption
7-Still more consumption
8-Still more consumption
9-Still more consumption
10-Still more Consumption
11-Still more Consumption
12-Still more Consumption
13-Still more consumption
14-More and more consumption
15-More and more consumption
16-More and more consumption
17-More and more consumption
18-More and more consumption
19-More and more consumption
20-More and more consumption
21-Even more consumption
22-Even more consumption
23-Even more consumption

Obama's plan, Obama, your typical 'american' president.
_________________________________

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous Chinese citizenism Indo European Han plan is simple:

1-Consumption of just killed cat
2-Roadside excretion
3-More roadside excretion
4-Crapping in public park
5-Blame 'americans'
6-Still more roadside excretion
7-Still more crapping in public park
8-More blame 'americans'
9-Still more roadside excretion
10-Still more Consumption of stir fried salamanders and monkey fingers
11-Still more Consumption of pickled dog toes
12-Still more Consumption of aborted female fetus in spicy ginger sauce
13-Still more roadside excretion
14-More and more roadside excretion
15-More and more roadside excretion
16-More and more blame 'americans'
17-More and more roadside excretion
18-More and more crapping in public park
19-More and more roadside excretion
20-More and more roadside excretion
21-Even more roadside excretion
22-Even more crapping in public park
23-Even more blame 'americans'

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Wanton1
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The is no Democracy without citizen weaponry.

Only oppression.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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So the UK is 'oppressed' - my my - we are desperate aren't we!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.

 

In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny. In contrast the armed united states has already had one civil war - and is about to start it's second.

 

By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civial war.

 

This article makes no sense in the real world - it only makes sense in the world of the deranged and paranoid gun supporter.

 

What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection - only tyranny comes from that. In Britain - when we have our revolution - the 'armed guards' you all fear so much will lay down their arms in support of the revolution.

 

Just as the red army laid down it's weapons and stood with the revolutionaries in Russia. If a population needs guns - it will get them. However to have them to begin with merely gives reason for the state to clamp down. Ghandi defeated the biggest colonial power in the world - without firing a single shot. Are Americans so confident they cannot match him?

 

The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. The right always lose elections and they feel they need to retain a 'threat of violence' so they can maintain power - against the wil of the majority

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Brit_Abroad
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Right, you're a Brit ?

You Sir are talking out of your arse.

Try fucking reading about the English Civil War for a start.

You muppet !!!

You really just don't get it do you !!!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment akarc
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The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. 

Which is one reason why I own guns.

I live in a rural redneck area where the mantra is, Screw blacks, jews, gays, unions, and immigrants. The "N" word is considered politically correct speech, drunk driving is a rights and pissing in the puddle you are standing while barefoot is a rite of passage. The confedrate flag flies above the American flag. Walmart or the county prison are jobs to aspire to. And all these fuckers own guns.

So when it comes down I will be engaged in a two front war. In other words, my ass is toast!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment smartstrike
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I also perceive rednecks' with guns as a bigger threat than any government curtailment of my civil rights.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment gnomon
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Hey Wall, I read your newspapers.  Still allowed a butterknife?  I see that the violent crime rates in the uk are four times what they are in the U.S.  I hope that you are never unlucky enough to be the victim of a break-in by three or four hoods with knives and bats, and all you have is a cellphone in your hand.                                                                                                                                                                                  

So It isn't just about defending yourself from government over-reach though you guys in the uk are truly up shit creek without a paddle without a Constitution and no Second Amendment/Firearms.

A Majority Rule that trumps inalienable rights is a Tyranny and Genocide waiting to happen.  Just wait until Sharia Law is your new Common Law.  Won't be long now.    

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Room 101
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"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America..."

Really?  Who was that Oliver Cromwell fella then? 

"...and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny"

I 'm not not an expert on British genocide, revolution, or tyranny.  I'd have to defer to the Boers, the Indians, and the Irish to comment on that.

"By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civil war."

You forgot the Swiss.  I agree.  Never seen a more bloodthirsty bunch.

"What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection."

Hmmm.  I guess those Continentals on Lexington Green were all about raising their consciousness and transcendental meditation, eh?   We know that they threw flowers and cited love poetry to the British soldiers afterall. 

"The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us."

And the REAL problem in Britain is an emasculated population that would sooner lick the hands of those that would kill them rather than raise the most feeble of protests. 

Thank you for your comments.  You're reminding us of how glad we are to not be British subjects. 

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Perfect response to that Limey Unich.  They are all on a path to complete self-destruction.  Will make 28 Days Later look like a doco. More appropriate I would recommend the Sean Bean flik 'Outlaw'.  Sums up the UK perfectly.

Unfortunately, many over in the UK do get it.  I suggest they just get out of that shit-hole, like the South African's with any sense did.

I was born in what was, Great Britain, once was an empire I read somewhere? Glad I left a long time ago...

Off to the range... ;)

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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re And the REAL problem in Britain is an emasculated population that would sooner lick the hands of those that would kill them rather than raise the most feeble of protests. 

 

Couldn't have said it better - or  more accurately - myself

Although I'd be tempted to substitute "a population of goddam pu$$ies" for "emasculated population" ;)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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Re In the UK we have... never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny

LOL!!!  THere's n othing quite as self-righteously dumb as a Thick-Brit!!

Hey -go ask the Irish about that. That last time I looked they'd suffered about 500yrs of British tyranny.

Wile you';re at it, go ask the Scots - although their subjugation was only about 400years or so.

WHat a freekin moron!!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:44 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny."

Yeah, you just export that shit to Ireland. Now go fuck yourself and have a horrible day.


Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment exgop
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Fucking islanders

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:22 | Link to Comment nc551
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Never suffered a revolution?  If you didn't live disarmed under tyranny you might be blessed by a revolution.

 

Nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection?  Us americans had the revolutionary war.

 

Gun rights advocates are most likely to impose tyranny and try to maintain power?  Gun rights are about NOT being subject to arbitrary power.  Live and let live.

 

That is my downvote, slave.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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So much bullshit, so little time, but I'll take a stab at it.  (A "stab", since you Brit pussies aren't allowed a "shot".)

"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny. In contrast the armed united states has already had one civil war - and is about to start it's second."

You have most certainly suffered through tyranny.  Your islands were conquered by the Romans, who enslaved you and killed you, by the Normans, who enslaved you and killed you, by the Germans, who didn't bother with the enslavement and just settled for killing you.

America had one Civil War.  Britain, by contrast, has had many, many civil wars, the most notable being the Cromwellian Civil War following the regicide of Charles I.  You also had The Anarchy, where the succession of Matilda, William the Conqueror's daughter, was challenged by civil war.  You had the Despenser War, a civil war in which the Mortimers organized the barons in revolt against Edward II and his buttfucking buddy Hugh Despenser.  You had the War of the Roses, a civil war about the succession after the death of Richard II. Should I go on?

You have never suffered genocide?  Tell me, dear man, how did the Druids and Celts fare on the British isles?  How many of those races are still around today to tell of the mass extermination of those races?  And then tell me about how the English oppressed the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, the Indians, the Americans, the Aborigines, and tell me how you don't know about genocide.

"By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civial war."

You're not fucking serious, are you?  Britain, three hundred years ago, was THE empire.  You Brits staked claims on every continent.  How did you do that, by asking nicely and politely?  Oh, hell to the no.  You used your superior navy and well-disciplined army for conquest.  You used your "heavy arms".  You had Canada and America, you had India and Ceylon, you had Ireland and Scotland and Wales, you had Australia, and you made near-continual war on France, Spain, Portugal, and Holland to fight over possessions in the Indies, in Africa, in South America, in the Caribbean.  What eventually stopped the British Empire?  Stupid politicians and clueless economists and oppressed people rising up all over the empire and saying enough is enough.  (This is the same way the American Empire will end, by the way.  It's the same way ALL empires end.)

"This article makes no sense in the real world - it only makes sense in the world of the deranged and paranoid gun supporter."

This article makes plenty of sense to people who are not so downtrodden and willing to lick the feet of their slave masters.  You?  Are not one of those people.

"What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection - only tyranny comes from that. In Britain - when we have our revolution - the 'armed guards' you all fear so much will lay down their arms in support of the revolution."

Nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection?  On the contrary, that is what most revolutions are based on, you ass-licking dolt.  Very few insurrections succeed without arms, the most notable being Gandhi, who only succeeded without arms because you Brits let him.

There is no guarantee that the "armed guards" will lay down their arms in support of the revolution.  Many armed guards became armed guards because they like the power they can wield, and many will be highly reluctant to relinquish that power.  Only those who fear for the safety of their own families and those who have principles and aren't afraid to stand up for them will lay down their arms.  There is no concrete way to tabulate who those folks are.

"Just as the red army laid down it's weapons and stood with the revolutionaries in Russia. If a population needs guns - it will get them. However to have them to begin with merely gives reason for the state to clamp down. Ghandi defeated the biggest colonial power in the world - without firing a single shot. Are Americans so confident they cannot match him?"

The population that needs guns needs them now, not when the black market can supply them.  Would we Americans have kicked your British asses without guns?  Uh, no.  We had to have a force that equalized your force to win the war.  Gandhi, as I already stated above, won only because you let him.  You think the British empire couldn't have crushed him like a bug at any point?  One bullet is all it would have taken, as Gandhi's assassin proved in 1948.

 "The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. The right always lose elections and they feel they need to retain a 'threat of violence' so they can maintain power - against the wil of the majority"

The rest of US?  Tell me, when did you move to America?  You are not part of "us". 

The people who demand gun rights are the people who believe in rights in general.  The people who demand gun control are the people who believe in control in general.  Who is more likely to impose tyranny, those who believe in rights or those who believe in control?

The will of the majority? The will of the majority, based upon the last US election, is for the Free Shit Army to continue to thieve the property and goods of the people who work.  I can tell that you have no problem giving up the fruits of your labor to some British slag sitting on her fat arse, popping out one child after another to the current man of the month, eating better than you are, living in better housing than you can afford, all in the name of "equality" and "fairness".  Is it equal for one person to work 40-60 hours a week and for the other person to work 0 hours?  Is it fair that some criminal can obtain an illegal gun, enter your home, steal your shit, rape your wife, shoot your dog, and you aren't allowed by law to fight back to defend your life, the lives of your family, your home, and your possessions? 

I'd pity you, but for the fact that you have opted for serfdom and have enclosed your ankles in chains by choice.  Instead, I sneer at you.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Ah, 'american' articles, they are so invigorating.

What a blast to read 'american' fantasy. You've got to love it.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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As Cody Wilson would say: "FUCK THE US GOV'T"

And I totally agree with him that these godamn clowns fucked up big time letting the internet out of the gate.  It's over for them.  Outlaw the net?  Good fucking luck with that.  You won't have a society you can control at all if you piss everyone off, you won't have a society you can control for much longer with the knowledge we are gaining.  The elites are fucked! 

Unless we blow ourselves back to the stoneage, which is entirely possible, everything is full steam straight ahead.  Basically we're going to have a bunch of nitwit trillionaires grasping at straws and doing everything they can to fuck us over.

Get yourself a 3D printer:

http://www.robo3dprinter.com/products/robo-3d-abs-model-fully-assembled

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261169664563?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3...

 

DEATH TO THE ELITE!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment De minimus
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Just my little anti push down effort, you see folks the Marxists are active on this as well as other sites. Sorry for the repeat post.

 

The republican party leadership is now "owned" by the democrats, who in reality and in fact are  "Marxists" .

Remember all those little zippergates we had a few years back? Don't for one minute think that we have heard all of them, just enough to scare the republicans into doing what the Marxists want done and not so much so as to remove the veil as well as the level of power from their hands.

Marxists have a playbook and they use it over and over because it works. The media will never tell because they are Marxist to the core and helping to drive it, if not leading it.

Make sense now?

 

Ps. DHS just purchased several billion rounds of 40 calibre hollowpoint. For qualification purposes they say. I wonder, considering the circumstances, and the fact that it's enough ammo to shoot every American 5 times, do you believe them?

I do not.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Falconsixone
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There never was a peaceful solution. The only thing they understand is aggression, death and destruction. The longer humans wait the tougher it will be to hang these fucks on cold sharp hooks. imo

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Room 101
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This nullification talk is really a bunch of bullshit.  It's been knocked down by the courts every place it's been tried. And then those who pushed for it go back to saying yessir, yessir just the same as before. 

If you want self-governance, then put on your big-boy boxers and make outright political independence as your ultimate goal.

EDIT: Full disclosure - I'm not particularly pro-secession, but things are clearly moving in that direction.  Whether I happen to like it or not.    

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
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SNAP to pacify the masses.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Cyclerider
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If people wanted to stop killing, they'd acknowledge that guns in the hands of government kill far more people than those in the hands of private citizens.  Democide= murder by government.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

Another problem is that humans have terrible memories, at least compared to chimpanzees.  Watch this fascinating research.

http://youtu.be/DqoImw2ZWmI

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Oh you're not kidding a lot of us have terrible memories just bring up the criminals that created 9-11.  That is so yesterday.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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BTW let's say the gov't does outlaw 3D printers, which I don't think will happen, it's too fucking late because the knowledge is now widespread.  What a 3D printer can do is nothing short of a miracle but how it works is not so hard to understand.

Parts are generic.  What are they going to do? Outlaw plastic? Outlaw electric motors? Outlaw UPS delivery service? Outlaw importation?

They are losing their grip big time and the only thing they have left is to rapidly play out their playbook which is just going to be pure disaster.  It's not going to work, we'll all suffer in the process.  We are thru with the fucking clowns trying to control our every move.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment dtwn
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Don't even need a 3D printer.  Just some basic hand tools.  This dude built an AK47 out of a shovel:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/build-yourself/179192-diy-sho...

A milling machine can easily make an AR receiver.  Just look at the Pakistani 'Khyber Pass' gun industry.  They turn out decent weapons in a thrid world country with rudimentary tools and techniques.  Gun making isn't rocket science.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Phoenix_Rising
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I'm a retired Toolmaker and I made almost all my guns.

Lots of homemade guns out there. lots

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:59 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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I have a milling machine.  And a lathe.  I'm just not that good with them. Yet. The machine can easily make the parts......that's not the hard part you have know what you're doing.  Are there CNC receiver programs? I don't know but doesn't matter because I don't have CNC.  3D printing is going to blow machining away.  Much easier to push a button and sit back and watch. 

With todays technology you don't have to be overly smart for this crap.  Parts and boards are premade etc.  Just plug this into that and you have this.

I am rather mechanically inclined so I am going to combine the 3D with the machine shop.  I have near to zero electronics training yet I can build an IPhone operated Drone with some sort of weapon.  That's powerful

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:21 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Outlawing powerful magnets needed for good electric motors would be fairly easy.

Outlawing various kinds of plastic & metal beads needed for sintering would also be easy citing weapons manufacture & labeling everyone a terrorist.

No it's not nice but yes it can happen. You already lost the right to a trial before life in prison (NDAA) - this is not a stretch.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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The cat's out of the bag.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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You gun nuts love to fantasize about bloody, violent shoothouts. All the government would have to do to make you go without a whimper is cut off your power for about a week. Got your own generators? Good: they'll cut off your supply of diesel. Got your own supply of diesel? They'll jam all your local communications devices. Got your own cool set of hand signals? They'll figure it out via drone surveillance. Anybody in your area need their Social Security, Medicare, unemployment or veteran's benefits? Not available during a revolution, dickheads.

If the 2nd Amendment were your key to freedom, you wouldn't be in the fix you're in now, morons. The government has advanced all sorts of oppressive legislation without giving a second thought to your precious guns. All the 2nd Amendment does is give you the false feeling of power while every one of your rights is stripped with nothing stronger than a pen. 

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Looks like elite whipped your pea-sized brain.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment dtwn
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The Syrian rebels have done just fine without power.  The Afghanis have done just fine agains the Russians and the US.  You are clearly shortsighted, naive and stupid to not be aware of current events or history.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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I'm glad a gun nut drew the parallel between Islamic jihadists in Syria and Afghanistan and firearms fanatics in the US. It's a shitty analogy, however: Syrians who've grown up under Assad and his father are used to deprivation and living in a police state. Most Afghans have never even emerged from the 7th Century. Americans break into tears if they run out of toilet paper.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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As soon as "the man" clamps down on water, fuel, transportation, and power, that - they will crush commerce, which will mortally wound the beast - they won't, and essentially can't do this on a wide-spread basis.  Not to mention that it will build popular support for the resistance.

How many folks, formally apathetic about gun-rights looked at the disarmament campaign after Katrina and woke-up?

This is a fight they can't win.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:19 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya? Look at Burma / Myanmar. Look at North Korea. Look at ECB domination of the poorer euro nations. They won there.

There's only so many tactical outlays in a given period of time: X time Y muntions and Z food supply = your eigenvector.

Now all the solutions spell out what's remaining of how you can resist and how they can overthrow your resistance.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment nmewn
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So your analogy is...when the government deprives us of toilet paper TSHTF? Whats to prevent us from just taking YOUR Charmin?...it works both ways spud.

If this is the best argument gun grabbers have (top & bottom on this thread) one calls a right the same as registering a car...and then you...I'll cry when I run out of fiat toilet paper...lol...I'm not concerned in the least.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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In the absence of government, there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please. The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses. 

You fucktwits are under the impression that you are all potential Patrick Henrys, full of good, clean, patriotic intentions. You're not. You're a bunch of fucking dangerous vandals who couldn't organize your sock drawer without getting into an argument, followed by a firefight. 

If this sort of violence ever does break out, it will be limited, local and quickly stamped out. Nobody will support it except for young, unemployed men. Children, the elderly, mothers and employed men will flee. Anyone who gets a government check will flee. Anyone who wants potable water will flee. Anyone who wants prescription medication will flee. 

What are you planning on doing with casualties? Do you have field hospitals set up next to your solar panels? Are you stocked up on medical equipment and prescription medication? What's your plan for getting rid of waste in order to avoid cholera? Shitting in holes? How will you dispose of the bodies? What will you do with prisoners? What will you do when your generators, trucks and guns break down? Do you have machine shops set up which can replicate everything you might need, from lithium batteries for your night scopes to timing belts for your trucks?

Here's the thing, shitheads: we live in modern times. Unlike the revolutionaries who lived more than 200 years ago, we're highly dependent on a whole panoply of things we could never manufacture ourselves. Most of you can't hunt for shit, or even raise a decent food crop. You can't dress a wound or apply a tourniquet. Reading Soldier of Fortune or old boy scout manuals isn't going to do the trick, either. 

You're soft, modern men living an online fantasy about how you're going to return to nature and rough it in order to "win back" the country. I only wish I could lay bets on how long you'd last in a true "state of nature." Shorting you would be the most enjoyable money I'll ever make.

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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In the absence of government, there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please. The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses. 

You fucktwits are under the impression that you are all potential Patrick Henrys, full of good, clean, patriotic intentions. You're not. You're a bunch of fucking dangerous vandals who couldn't organize your sock drawer without getting into an argument, followed by a firefight. 

If this sort of violence ever does break out, it will be limited, local and quickly stamped out. Nobody will support it except for young, unemployed men. Children, the elderly, mothers and employed men will flee. Anyone who gets a government check will flee. Anyone who wants potable water will flee. Anyone who wants prescription medication will flee. 

What are you planning on doing with casualties? Do you have field hospitals set up next to your solar panels? Are you stocked up on medical equipment and prescription medication? What's your plan for getting rid of waste in order to avoid cholera? Shitting in holes? How will you dispose of the bodies? What will you do with prisoners? What will you do when your generators, trucks and guns break down? Do you have machine shops set up which can replicate everything you might need, from lithium batteries for your night scopes to timing belts for your trucks?

Here's the thing, shitheads: we live in modern times. Unlike the revolutionaries who lived more than 200 years ago, we're highly dependent on a whole panoply of things we could never manufacture ourselves. Most of you can't hunt for shit, or even raise a decent food crop. You can't dress a wound or apply a tourniquet. Reading Soldier of Fortune or old boy scout manuals isn't going to do the trick, either. 

You're soft, modern men living an online fantasy about how you're going to return to nature and rough it in order to "win back" the country. I only wish I could lay bets on how long you'd last in a true "state of nature." Shorting you would be the most enjoyable money I'll ever make.

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:46 | Link to Comment nmewn
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We can't even get decent Bolshevik trolls around here anymore...lol.

"In the absence of government,..."

Who said anything about absence of anything? You believe we are ALL anarchists?

"....there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please."

There is a difference between liberating supplies stolen from the people and "looting" isn't there? And by all appearences, it looks like your rape smear was just thrown in for rhetorical effect. We believe in both men AND women being able to defend themselves.

"The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses."

You're now living under the misconception that Constitutionalists are all white and this country's Bill of Rights is a statement of ones religion?

Are you on Feinsteins staff or Obama's? I only ask because you're a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance (as defined by your comment) that can only come from one place...inside the federal government itself.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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I am Diane Feinstein, and my cock is bigger than yours. That's why I'm in the US Senate and you're home alone, crying and lovingly stroking the metal dildo you call a "gun." Now run along and play with your penis replacers while I write the laws of this country with my 14" laptop.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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feinstein writes nothing pal, she is paid to shill what is written for her, she is a face put in public so the real masters can remain safely out of public eye.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Wow...cocks, dildos, dead bodies, rape, religion, penis...I'm forming quite the opnion of your comments.

Are you gonna personally order my assassination Mz. Feinstein or you gonna leave it to your " huge staff"?...lol.

So tell me Di-Fi, how big do you think my dick is and what good will ALL your laws be when no one OBEYS them?

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment runningman18
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I have solar power, actually.  You guys going to cut off the sun?

Also, the 2nd Amendment IS our key freedom.  Notice that Obama has issued all these draconian executive orders and signed legislation like the NDAA, and yet, he has barely implemented it.  Why?  Because they haven't disarmed us yet.  If our guns didn't matter, they would be using their totalitarian powers right now on a wide scale.  They are still afraid of our ability to fight back.

 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:16 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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A good coat of paint over all your land & a good coat of salt would deal with your food supply & solar panels pretty quick. Drones can do that if not use actual guns or missiles to hit a panel or a structure (your house).

Don't forget that.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:12 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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You forgot we can signal using our own laid cable AND laser-sight AND no drone can spot reflected sunlight or lasers that are aimed properly, AND well-armed people can defend their land from the government with ONE EXCEPTION.

Nerve gas.

That's right, when the time is right the USA will use drone to drop nerve gas all over the place, killing millions, then say Iran hacked a drone.

The story's already so well written it needs only the ending.

The US military has been far too open with their drones being hacked AND by Iran AND Iran plays into it like IDIOTS for national pride AND a story over a year ago of the entire drone network being infected with a virus that keeps re-infecting, can't be removed by any means. Openly ADMITTED, too openly to be trusted.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment tongue.stan
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The whole Dorner fiasco highlighted an interesting aspect of the police state gun control matrix.

Who were the ones cheering on Dorner in his fight against injustice/racist cops/the Man? Why, it was the ghetto dwellers, the EBTers, and overwhelmingly (though unverifyably) unregistered gun owners, ie. gang bangers who have no problems killing.

So, who are in fact allies against the tyranny of the out of control State and its confiscatory madness?

Why, it appears that the pot bellied redneck good ole boy gun luvers have an enemy in common with the droopy panted dark skninned illiterate goofballs of the inner city. They both hate the shit skittles being rained down upon them by the demon unicorns of the Statists.

If the two groups ever wake up to this reality, TPTB will be well and truly fucked.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Room 101
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Which might be why those who are truly able to communicate across the race gap have very short life expectancies.  

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Dumbest article yet on Xero Hedge:

 

"Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment."

 

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well ...

 

Nullification is illegal and unconstitutional. So much for defending the Constitution.

 

... it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment ...

 

Huh? First of all, the premise is factually incorrect, there is an establishment push to do as little as possible about everything, Second, even if the 2d Amendment was repealed (like the 18th Amendment) firearms would still be legal along with other consumer products such as lawnmowers and paint remover. In the sense that the 2d Amendment permits what is not prohibited elsewhere, it is redundant.

 

The problem with the 2d Amendment is it gives a platform to  Freikorp apparatchiks like Brandon Smith or corporate penis-suckers like Wayne LaPierre to insinuate themselves into the political space as 'Defenders of the Constitution'. The only reason these fools can get away with such nonsense is the government bosses aren't smart enough to know when they've been rolled.

 

In addition, Article One describes in detail the organization of the military forces of the Republic and Congressional responsibilities, one of which is the suppression of insurrections. This is and was a duty of militias, by the way. The idea that the Constitution by way of the 2d Amendment somehow sanctions insurrections -- which is the unnofficial nomination of the legitimate government as a 'tyranny' by 3d parties outside of the Federal government itself -- is completely wrong, the Amendment intends the exact opposite.

 

Since the government is able to arm its military forces there is no need for a 'shadow' military force, indeed such forces have historically proven very dangerous. They are easily coopted by extremists, intelligence agencies or militaries, they undermine and overthrow legitimate, in many cases democratic governments.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment gnomon
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Steve, 

These red herrings have been put out of their misery long ago.  It is embarrassing that you are foisting them upon zerohedge readership who know from much research and historical literature and even the most recent Supreme Court rulings that what you are trying to feed us is a bunch of crap. 

I have seen and expected much better from you.  

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