Guest Post: Gun Rights - Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”. 

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values. 

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.  

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads? 

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience. 

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left. 

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration. 

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.             

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.            

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant. 

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support".  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.  

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…

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AnAnonymous's picture

But the Founding Fathers were statists. They never hid they worshipped the State. Early 'americans' reveled in crushing stateless societies, underlining how an 'american' society was so superior to stateless societies for one reason: the State.

It is always funny that 'americans', when looking at their past, forgot to mention that their 'american' ancestors were living just next to stateless societies and that, already, in 'american' societies, the State was as big as it could be.

'Americans' by their nature, are Statists. Them trying to deny it is one of these 'american' farces 'americans' are compelled to play because they can not face the 'american' history as it is.

Points made by this 'american' propagandist rely on a fabled past.

Early 'americans' did not use guns to promote freedom. They used them to maintain slavery.

Early 'americans' by all measures were among the biggest statists of their times. They worshipped the State and spitted on stateless societies.


It is just another 'american' who want other 'americans' to regroup around his nest of cheap propaganda and fabula.

As their 'american' nature force 'americans' to act.

AnAnonymous's picture

Ah, the consequences of the consent of the governed.

Always amazing to see how 'americans' think that it is enough to tell that something is wrong... Their words is power.

What is wrong? That 'america' was nexting stateless societies? That 'america' was much advanced statewise? That 'america' crushed stateless societies?

Is it what is wrong? Is it what is stupid?

The consent of the governed. 'Americans': "if we deny reality hard enough, reality will comply. We are Americans. Nothing resist us."

nmewn's picture

No, you bloviating bag of bullshit.

If you had actually read AND COMPREHENDED the Bill of Rights you would have discovered they had great misgivings about creating a CENTRALIZED federal government.

Thats why the Bill of Rights exists.

Again, don't you have some new born little girls to commit state sponsored genocide on China-Man?

AnAnonymous's picture

Oh yes? They had great misgiving about creating a centralized federal government?

But had no issue with creating an imposing State structure for their own times while living next to state less societies?

One could guess that the building of a superior State is to be seen as the emancipation: something that could not be done right now but should be performed in the future.

'Americans' and their truer than true stance...

nmewn's picture

You're kinda retarded aintcha?

What "stateless society" are you talking about...Indians? You sayin the American Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes...maybe perhaps not even any wars among them BEFORE whitey showed up?

No, I didn't think

Hulk's picture

Makes you want to spray AA with windex and stake him down on top of a fire anthill, don't it !!!

AnAnonymous's picture

Good to read that the other 'american' does not inspire the same feeling.

That is human selection as performed by 'americans' and how they select like minded people.

Hulk's picture

Isn't there a tank somewhere that you can stand in front of ???

(and my apologies to the fellow who had the balls to do that 20 years ago...)

New_Meat's picture

it doesn't have the cojones to do that, that is, to stand for something.

yawn, made me bored

AnAnonymous's picture

Ah, 'americans', you wont make them...

See that fine example of 'americanism' and what mental gymnastics he is forced in to make up for its beloved 'americanism'


One states that Indian societies were stateless societies.

This 'american' is forced to translate this as:
You sayin the American Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes...maybe perhaps not even any wars among them BEFORE whitey showed up?

Read it up again, it might be hard to believe, even for 'americans'

From the statement of Indian societies were stateless societies, it turned into Indians had no rules, laws, leaders, traditions, beliefs or alliances amongst tribes, crowned by the race card being played to trump it all.


Well, no, the statement that Indian societies were stateless societies simply means that they had no State.

Who could have figured that out? In all evidences, not that fine specimen of 'americanism'.

Rusty Diggins's picture

Chinese Founding fathers had their bowel movements examined daily to determine the proper course for blobbing up.

AnAnonymous's picture

The Chinese had founding fathers?

'Americans' or how fantasy is their shelter...

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

AnAnonymous, failed academic turned Chinese citizenism propagandator, said:

But the Founding Fathers blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' reveled in blah blah blah...
'Americans' by their nature blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' did not blah blah blah...
Early 'americans' by all measures blah blah blah...


Endlessly repeation of your rejected thesis will not give unrejection.

It is just another 'american' who want other 'americans' to regroup around his nest of cheap propaganda and fabula.

It is just another Indo European Han propagandationist who want to blob up Chinese citizenism to beyondness of Andromeda and Horsehead Nebula.

Quinvarius's picture

Once the elections are rigged, there is no need to represent the people, only the riggers.

Sandmann's picture

Gun ownership was never particularly widespread in the UK so it was easy to control. The revolvers of Victorian England were carried by middle-class gents rather than being widespread which is why the Police Force was always unarmed. It was relatively easy to restrict gun ownership and it came AFTER World War One when guns might have become more available and when fear of Communist Insurrection as in Germany or Russia probably worried the Government with high rates of unemployment and conflict in Ireland. The main Acts were 1920, 1937, 1968, 1997 followed by the lunatic 2006 Act restricting sale of plastic replicas

onlooker's picture


There was a spike up in gun prices and many retail stores are short on stock. However, in the open marketplace prices are dropping and sales are decreasing as the need may have been met.

One can certainly make a firearm but the price even in this inflated market makes a purchase much more reasonable.


Ammunition is another matter. Many types are difficult to find and prices have increased. 223 is 70c to $1 a round. There are still some that are % higher but “reasonable” in today’s market. A smart buyer will look to the ammunition supply and buy that, and then the firearm to match.

One can save the brass casings and reload shells. However, this crunch is like the last crunch, primers and powder are in short supply. One has to stay ahead of the curve. Many bought heavy as they saw Obama might win. That was a profit move. Short supply is 9mm, 223, 7.62x39, and rimfire 22. If the imported ammunitions is being stopped by Customs as some report, the ammunition squeeze could continue for months, or forever depending upon legislation or a Presidential Order.

Ammo is the critical part of the equation.


Read the new proposed California Laws carefully. California is the blue print as it was last time. Do NOT break these laws, and there are hidden parts like the registration that asks who the gun was loaned to. It has been a felony to loan a gun in California for years.


Do NOT break these laws. California is in desperate need of money. Fines , fees and penalties may not be the worst of it. In some areas of the U.S drugs found on property can lead to confiscation of the property. Have no doubt that California will seize assets including real estate.

Moving is not an option for many. But, it is certainly something to consider. One thing you do not want is to put your family in danger because you do not comply with a law that you feel is un-constitutional. Dead or in jail does not win the game.

moondog's picture

STOP spending money in states like California, Missouri and NY (KILL their tourism). Move your family and your $$ to a gun friendly state (use local Credit Unions, and buy local products - NO California/NY produce). The bonus in moving is that gun friendly states will typically have much lower taxes and be more business friendly. Let's starve the beast!

gnomon's picture

I have done the same for some time now.  Make them Pay!

TrumpXVI's picture

Primers are the key.

It might be too late to stock up on them; don't know as I haven't tried to buy any in years.  I've still got at least 5k Rem 7.5BR small rifle primers in their boxes.

Bad Attitude's picture

A coworker who does a lot of reloading is having serious trouble buying primers. They are in shorter supply than regular ammunition.

A Lunatic's picture

Don't make me get off the couch, Bitchez............

Quinvarius's picture

Our problem is we let the collectivists in and they stole everything they felt was worth stealing, then broke what was left.  Now they are arrogant enough to throw it in our faces.  They can't understand that they have crossed the line in a way that makes people view all of their past actions through a different lense with this gun nonsense. 

AnAnonymous's picture

An Indian could state the same, replacing the word "collectivist" by 'americans'


Our problem is we let the Americans in and they stole everything they felt was worth stealing, then broke what was left. Now they are arrogant enough to throw it in our faces. They can't understand that they have crossed the line in a way that makes people view all of their past actions through a different lense with this gun nonsense.

Well, did not end that well for Indians...

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

AnAnonymous, subterfuging the dialoggery, said:

An Indian could state the same, replacing the word "collectivist" by 'americans'

A Tibetan (or a Kachin in north of Burma) could state the same, replacing the word 'americans' by ' Chinese citizenism Indo European Han citizens'.

Rustysilver's picture

Like I stated before, during the communist days in Central Europe, (either Romania or Hungary; I can't tell the difference between the two) you

had to register the typewriter. Yes, fukkn' typewriters. That did them a lot of good.

US and European .gov are scared. They don't know what to do.  All they're doing is collecting data b/c they think that might help.

AnAnonymous's picture

'American' governments are indeed scared. They are scared to death.

Just as this was written, one or two 'american' political servants just died out of stress.

'Americanism' has scared them to death... No, no, they can not do what their predecessors did before but this time, fully covered by 'american' mantra. No, sir, I swear it is not the case.

FeralSerf's picture

Thanks to modern technology Americans get their computers, their 21st century typewriters, automatically registered when they logon to the internet.  That saves a lot of police work and breaking down of doors.

akarc's picture


While the post contains many emotional touch buttons and perpetuates the meme put out by people who have no intention of doing anything, it does at least, sound good. If not total fantasy, that at one point in time could have been true but is nothing but the spouting of dinasour caricatures now.

The oppourtunities to take action have presented themselves on numerous occasions in the past. If the robo repo of veterans homes was not enough to bring people out. Or the threatened condemnation under emminent domain of Rivera Beach, Florida so homes could be stolen and property given to Yaght club developers couldn't bring people out. If the fact that no BANKSTER has gone to jail over what you or I would go to jail for as they stole money from every working class American can't bring people out. What the fuck do you think will? The theft of all the gold at the bottom of lakes (where my guns happen to reside at the moment). The very people who spout this rhetoric sat on their asses as occupiers were met with overwhelming force and unconstitutional tactics.

"The Occupy movement is an international protest movement against social and economic inequality, its primary goal being to make the economic and political relations in all societies less vertically hierarchical and more flatly distributed. Local groups often have different foci, but among the movement's prime concerns is the claim that large corporations and the globalfinancial system control the world in a way that disproportionately benefits a minority, undermines democracy and is unstable."

Which is a sentiment that is often echoed here on Zero Hedge in any variety of word combinations. Yet whether you agreed with Occupy or not, you can not deny that there was a whole scale violation, nay a crushing, of individual liberties and constitutional rights by those sworn to uphold the constitution but were all to happy to get them some.......

To cheers of the dirty hippies deserved what they got???????

And whether you agree with occupy or not, people like oath keepers (joke) and others should have been on the front lines defending them even if they did not agree with their ideas. They should have been ready to defend their constitutional rights to express them.

I can say this because I have had involvement w/ many such groups. They proclaim their agenda to be constitutional freedom but all to often is nothing more than a vehicle by which to promote their selfish political agenda and not one that protects the rights of "ALL" individuals.

When I posited to one organization that you can not advocate for and seek support for your own rights if you are not willing to advocate for and seek protection of the rights of those whom you may disagree with, they threatened me. I took action, I lost money, my life was endagered. The organization no longer operates in this area. Note the operative words. "It cost me time and money". How many will risk that over a "cause?" 

In the 60's how many heads had to be banged in before the populace finally woke up to say enough is enough and gathered on greens of Washington and told the government get the hell out of Vietnam?

But that was then. And while many of the faux revolutionaries are stacking guns and ammo. The government is stacking Better guns, better ammo, better serveilance, drones, militerazation of buercratic agencies, cordoning off legitimate protest sites, i.e. out of site out of mind. Controlliing the media with no fly zones over breaking news. And if you think soldiers will not violate their oath and come after you............

In other words, the failure to lock and load in the past as rendered your guns today impotent unless you have an overwhelming desire to be a martry who will be forgotten in a few days time as Bieber tweets choke the internet and clandestine communication is beyond the understanding of most internet users.

Do the math. Alot of guns are floating around out there. Multiple ownership of many. Now subtract those who just like to own guns and bitch from those who might actually take action? The past dictates that the gun owners do little while the unarmened take to the streets, get their heads beat in and are called scum by the uber constitutiioalist???

Otherwise known as penis envy!

The other shift that scares me is the extreme dividions between political parties and advocate groups.  Say beyond all odds and with the help of a miracle or two various factions were able to overthrow the corrupt facsimlie of what passes for our government.  What will it be replaced with?  Uber right wing christians?  Uber left wing socialists. To be honest the fear of what may replace the present is as palpable as the fear of the present.

Scary observation number two: It's seems a lot of the gun toting faction is more focused on religion, race, creed, unions, poor people, immigrants as being the cause of our problems. Then again they are easy to fight/bully. Not like going up against a real enemy that will flat kick your ak47 ass! Most especially when you look behind you and find your other gun toting friends are in the house with their blinds drawn.

As some one who as been advocating for a pre-emptive strike for over 40 years I look around at the rhetoric today and laugh and puke at the same time.  Were Sun Tzu alive today he would do same.

aka rc 


kayl's picture


1. We will not be forgotten for standing up. Our children will know.

2. Like Dorner, if everyone took out two or three, the conflict would soon be over since we have the numbers.

3. The Vietnam War ended, not because of protests, but research shows it ended because of fragging.

So when fragging starts within the ranks of gov, state, and local enforcers, the tide will turn.

4. Wedge issues keep the people divided, but patriots look through them already

5. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must wait until the ugly face of tyranny has unveiled itself.

6. What should take the place of gov? A Constitutional Republic if we can restore it.


Gun registration is the line. Burn outs across the country, July4Patriot-style, is the torch of Paul Revere.


akarc's picture



1. We will not be forgotten for standing up. Our children will know.

We, individuals who do stand up, will also know. We will also know who hasn't by their lack of presence anywhere but disussion forum.

2. Like Dorner, if everyone took out two or three, the conflict would soon be over since we have the numbers.

Guerilla warfar is the only option left. Though my own experience, and again that is just my experience, is that we do not have the numbers.

3. The Vietnam War ended, not because of protests, but research shows it ended because of fragging.

So when fragging starts within the ranks of gov, state, and local enforcers, the tide will turn.

This sent me on a search to find some good reading. Thanks. Apparently it was a combination of fragging, rampant drug use, deserations, awols and the awareness of the increasing resistance at home.  I wonder if there are any good stats re the caliber of serviceman at that juncture in history versus the caliber of todays service man/woman.  And this is in no way a condemnation of servicemen of any era as I support them wholeheartedly.  My involvement w/ many vets however at times reveals a mindset that demonstrates a lack of understanding of todays issues.

I run across leo who in private will express dissenting opinions. Have also seen some during PGR runs who will passive aggressively disobey orders and find that encouraging.

4. Wedge issues keep the people divided, but patriots look through them already.

You are correct. And many of my postings are designed to call attention to the differences. Constitutional Patriots do not judge people by their religion. A popular sport here.

5. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must wait until the ugly face of tyranny has unveiled itself.

It hasn't yet???

6. What should take the place of gov? A Constitutional Republic if we can restore it.


Gun registration is the line. Burn outs across the country, July4Patriot-style, is the torch of Paul Revere.

Hmmm, just what is gun registration anyway <G>


kayl's picture


1. Contributions will be in many spheres of activity: combat, recon, supply, medical, religious services, etc. Never judge or presume you know what the contributions of others should or will be. The undergrounds and gray markets will be in play too.

2. The young people today (under 25) are a sullen and self-absorbed bunch. The boomlet generation numbers almost as large as the boomers. They are getting stopped, groped, and shuffled into and out of jails. They are learning how to hustle because there are no jobs. Asymmetrical warfare is an historical tradition in America. Woe be to TPTB if the younger generation unites with their fathers and older patriots. They will be out in numbers just 'cause. I see it as a necessary factor in the revolution.

3. Thanks for the nudge. Of course, the war ended based on many factors. Fragging is one that is almost never discussed. We have many cultural differences between then and now. No draft: the stats on drug use, desertions, and AWOLS are probably lower. Suicides are up, which indicates an internalization of guilt and remorse and the effeminization of the male culture. Men in the 60's said: "Fuck it and started fragging." Men today, in essence, blow themselves up. The service men today have a lack of knowledge in history. They don't need to be smart, just discern the patterns of history.

4. Ditto.

5. Civil war takes many years to develop, like on a scale of 10 to 20 years. TPTB are in the process of unveiling the hierarchy. But revolutionary war takes both sides to be ready. The PTB have squelched massive dissent for these ongoing wars. They have divided the young among themselves between an avid bunch of protesters and apathetic underachievers. They have divided the young from their fathers' generation: this was a key element to the protests in the 60s. The military is not disaffected and fragging yet. High taxes and inflation has not broken the backs of the people yet. Food, communications, and energy are still flowing. Oath keepers, militia, and patriots must hang back until the government makes a horrendous move.

6. Registration is a legal contract. You are representing your corporate fiction to give up your right to all decisions regarding the personal use of your firearm, and you place yourself under Admiralty law with body attachment for failure to abide by the terms and conditions of the contract. Look up the word register in the Black's Law Dictionary 4th ed.

Under the Uniform Commercial Code, when you receive a contract and don't reply, the presumption is that you have accepted the terms and conditions of the contract. Therefore, if you receive a request to register, politely acknowledge the request and return it rejected for failure to make a claim for which relief may be granted. Remember the 2nd Amendment.

akarc's picture

Kayl, thanks for your response. All good thoughts that bear condideration. It may be that over the years I have become a bit jaded and suspect.  Over the years I have watched many who have become disillusioned  and have adopted the mantra, "I just want to be left alone."

It is hard to for some who have followed what they believe to be a noble cause only to find it is as full of the lies as that which they profess to be against.

Although I believe I know what the anser is not, I can not profess to have any clues as to what the answer is.  As a nation we have had a good deal longer than 20 years of corruption.  Much it involving out and out theft at the hands of of the corporate/government alliance.


I live in a town with two major universities full of students that rarely ventur off campus and have little real world experience and/or knowledge. A town Highly dependent on state jobs occupied by employees who suffer abuses daily for fear of losing their jobs.  Granted it is a conservative town in a conservative state which may skew my own observations.  

What I see is a national government  whose abuses are accelerating versus a populace that  if they do give a damn are are reluctant to verbalize it much less take action.   


I find it all extremely depressing. 






israhole's picture

Americans are all talk no action, and the Jew World Order knows it.  They let you keep your guns as if guns do anything sitting in a closet, while you debate about keeping your weapons, almost as if asking permission.

When it really comes time to confiscate, let's see what all the big talkers do when an alphabet agency picks up their kids from school,  suggesting if they ever want to see their brats again they cough up the weapons.

Americans will fold like a cheap lawn chair, resting easy believing they didn't have a choice just like the rest of the hens. They can't even put down a bag of chips, but they'll fight to the death?  Sure.

The time to use weapons is now, before the push to take them, but the average American 'tard is too doped up and dumbed down to know it.


AnAnonymous's picture

When the time for confiscation comes, Jesus would have come back already.

'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

Confiscation of guns is not an option.

Confiscation of guns is one favourite fantasy of 'americans'

Wont happen. You do not get rid of guns when you are an extorter and a farmer.

kayl's picture


Everything is at stake in this war. There is no morality. Remember "no quarter asked or given." We can arrive at their doorsteps too. Dorner has shown it to be true.


Yen Cross's picture

   The internal issues that these self indulged politicians, bankers, corp. oligarchists, are causing are not just restricted to "We The People".



    A large portion of the world is fed up with the over reach of U.S. policy. I'm sure those external axioms/factions are just sitting back and watching the "Gong Show" with baited breath. They would love to see the system tear itself apart without firing a single round...

   Ex; Bear Bombers Over Guam | Washington Free Beacon


marcusfenix's picture

   it's strange to think such a thing could happen in my lifetime, and yet here we are. the tension in the air is getting thicker, the anger and desperateness is starting to boil. trust in the government is shot, gone as they have proven themselves untrustworthy to over and over again.

the only ones left extolling the virtues and rightness of the abomination that sits in power in DC are those who are to frightened, have grown to addled and corrupted themselves or simply do not wish to take personal responsibility for there futures and their fate. unwilling or unable to step out of there own myopic, prescription drug induced, food stamp feed normalcy bias. they are the ones who will except any loss of freedom, any violation of rights and liberties in order to stay safely inside their bubble. just keep them entertained and distracted keep them feed, keep them addled and diminished with anti-anxiety, or anti- psychotic synthetic poison, give them a boogie man to fear and they will give up their very souls, with both hands.

these are the people we need to reach out to now as best as we can.

the rest of us are as ready as we can be I think, we've made up our minds and decided to follow the path set for us by our founding fathers to whatever end that might lead us to. no living on our knees, no begging for the scrapes off the table, no FEMA camps or jackboots stomping us while waiting in the bread line, literally, economically or metaphorically. 

I am no rambo, my battle so far has been fought with words, with sings and stats and facts in an attempt to reach out to others, to protest and let the PTBs know that many of us, of "we the people" are still watching and we don't approve of the bullshit they do in our names.

I am no rambo and I don't relish the idea....but I will stand and I will fight if and when the time comes. I don't know how well I will do or how long I will last, frankly I don't know if I'm to old to make a decent solider but I've accepted and found peace with the idea that I may have to do more than just exercise my right to freedom of speech, association and assembly, of little of them that remains anyways, in order to live free.

when words or peaceful actions no longer effect change, when your voice as a free citizen is strangled and crushed by a system run by the corrupt and despotic who seek only to enhance their power by taking everything from you that made you a free individual in the first place...well maybe it's time we start speaking the only language they will understand.

godspeed to all the patriots, wherever you are.


Little John's picture

Now that he war on drugs is nearing a victorious completion it just makes sense to shift those resources to a war on guns.  A few short decades of unpleasantness  and we will have peaceful society free from injustice and racism.  Why would we not trust the government? 

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

That was a very good MDB impression. It was aliens, LIBERT-ALIENS

oefi's picture

One big flaw: you can't educate the public. 95% don't give a shit about beeing a slave or not.

AnAnonymous's picture

The 'american' middle class is free. They do not need education.

DosZap's picture

One big flaw: you can't educate the public. 95% don't give a shit about beeing a slave or not.

Until they realize WHAT they are, then they will give a shit.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

sorry for -1 but history shows you are wrong.

I WISH you were right, I wish I could +1 you for hope, but sadly history shows even right to the death camps many will believe anything but the truth because then they must admit they helped author their own death warrants. These sheep in denial would never admit they helped sign their own death warrants.

So +1 for hope -1 for historical precedent & -1 is how I marked it.

AnAnonymous's picture

What happened by the way to that 'american' negro, Droner?

Ah, this is one of this twist in history.

Just think, if that guy was an Indo European, he would be the standard bearer, a one man vanguard for a large scale 'american' movement of armed 'americans' assaulting the State.

Alas, alas, alas, this 'american' is a negro so it relieves the brave hearted 'american' indo europeans from following in the negro's steps...

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Just think, if that guy was an Indo European Han Chinese citizenism citizen, he would be distorting the fabled past and farming the myth.

q99x2's picture

A peaceful solution exists but it requires organization.

You got your gun owners

Your health conscious athletes

You got your musicians

Your mothers and fathers

You got your software tech programmers

Your artists and authors

You got your activist students

Your unemployed youth.

Your Stanford Lawyers

Incarcerated drug users

Those trying to hold onto the family money

And everyone in the States and all over the world

Against the FED banksters and Washington D.C.

mayhem_korner's picture




The reason there are no solutions to gun rights is there is no inherent problem in people's right to own guns.  The phrase "a solution in search of a problem" is appropo here.

But, like everything in the statists' agenda, the stated problem is simply a misdirection to the desired outcome.  The desired outcome is to reduce the ability of the governed to challenge the central state.  The veil is "protecting" children and other innocent citizens from the "scourge" of gun violence.  It's startling how many are hypnotized by these statist spells.

Professor Fate's picture

Time to give praise where it is earned.  You have to thank Obama and the liberals for two things.  First: The arming of America. (No one could have done it better)  Everyone is buying a firearm thanks to the Chuckie Schumers, Obamas, Feinsteins and other assorted leftist anti-constitutionalist nutjobs.  And Second:  the segragating of America.  The country is well on its way to becoming two nations again over slavery.  But this time, the slavery is not about racism.  It is about the slavery of remaining "true" Americans to a few hundred power hungry politicians in the District of Oz   The fact is, if we had more like Gov. Perry (like him personally or not) wooing big business to tax friendly / labor friendly states, the entitlement states like Illinois / Kalifornica would collapse.  I read that State Farm is on its way out of Illinois and on its way to Dallas.  What a shame for "Rahmland".   

Fate the Magnificent

"Push the Button, Max" 

AnAnonymous's picture

First: The arming of America. (No one could have done it better) Everyone is buying a firearm thanks to the Chuckie


It was stated a long time ago. 'American' nature is eternal and 'americans' are predictable.

'Americans' will always favour solutions that bring in more consumption over solutions that reduce consumption.

As a reminder, here was the summary posted on the article telling about Obama's 23 points:

Nothing unexpected. Goes as foretold.

'American' plan is simple as usual:

2-More consumption
3-More consumption
4-More consumption
5-More consumption
6-Still more consumption
7-Still more consumption
8-Still more consumption
9-Still more consumption
10-Still more Consumption
11-Still more Consumption
12-Still more Consumption
13-Still more consumption
14-More and more consumption
15-More and more consumption
16-More and more consumption
17-More and more consumption
18-More and more consumption
19-More and more consumption
20-More and more consumption
21-Even more consumption
22-Even more consumption
23-Even more consumption

Obama's plan, Obama, your typical 'american' president.