Guest Post: Gun Rights - Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”. 

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values. 

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.  

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads? 

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/03/first-molon-labe-town-in-america/

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience. 

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left. 

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration. 

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.             

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.            

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

http://defensedistributed.com/

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant. 

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support".  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.  

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…

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TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

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Wanton1's picture

The is no Democracy without citizen weaponry.

Only oppression.

 

writingsonthewall's picture

So the UK is 'oppressed' - my my - we are desperate aren't we!

writingsonthewall's picture

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.

 

In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny. In contrast the armed united states has already had one civil war - and is about to start it's second.

 

By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civial war.

 

This article makes no sense in the real world - it only makes sense in the world of the deranged and paranoid gun supporter.

 

What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection - only tyranny comes from that. In Britain - when we have our revolution - the 'armed guards' you all fear so much will lay down their arms in support of the revolution.

 

Just as the red army laid down it's weapons and stood with the revolutionaries in Russia. If a population needs guns - it will get them. However to have them to begin with merely gives reason for the state to clamp down. Ghandi defeated the biggest colonial power in the world - without firing a single shot. Are Americans so confident they cannot match him?

 

The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. The right always lose elections and they feel they need to retain a 'threat of violence' so they can maintain power - against the wil of the majority

Brit_Abroad's picture

Right, you're a Brit ?

You Sir are talking out of your arse.

Try fucking reading about the English Civil War for a start.

You muppet !!!

You really just don't get it do you !!!!

akarc's picture

The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. 

Which is one reason why I own guns.

I live in a rural redneck area where the mantra is, Screw blacks, jews, gays, unions, and immigrants. The "N" word is considered politically correct speech, drunk driving is a rights and pissing in the puddle you are standing while barefoot is a rite of passage. The confedrate flag flies above the American flag. Walmart or the county prison are jobs to aspire to. And all these fuckers own guns.

So when it comes down I will be engaged in a two front war. In other words, my ass is toast!

smartstrike's picture

I also perceive rednecks' with guns as a bigger threat than any government curtailment of my civil rights.

 

gnomon's picture

Hey Wall, I read your newspapers.  Still allowed a butterknife?  I see that the violent crime rates in the uk are four times what they are in the U.S.  I hope that you are never unlucky enough to be the victim of a break-in by three or four hoods with knives and bats, and all you have is a cellphone in your hand.                                                                                                                                                                                  

So It isn't just about defending yourself from government over-reach though you guys in the uk are truly up shit creek without a paddle without a Constitution and no Second Amendment/Firearms.

A Majority Rule that trumps inalienable rights is a Tyranny and Genocide waiting to happen.  Just wait until Sharia Law is your new Common Law.  Won't be long now.    

Room 101's picture

"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America..."

Really?  Who was that Oliver Cromwell fella then? 

"...and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny"

I 'm not not an expert on British genocide, revolution, or tyranny.  I'd have to defer to the Boers, the Indians, and the Irish to comment on that.

"By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civil war."

You forgot the Swiss.  I agree.  Never seen a more bloodthirsty bunch.

"What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection."

Hmmm.  I guess those Continentals on Lexington Green were all about raising their consciousness and transcendental meditation, eh?   We know that they threw flowers and cited love poetry to the British soldiers afterall. 

"The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us."

And the REAL problem in Britain is an emasculated population that would sooner lick the hands of those that would kill them rather than raise the most feeble of protests. 

Thank you for your comments.  You're reminding us of how glad we are to not be British subjects. 

 

 

Rogue Trooper's picture

Perfect response to that Limey Unich.  They are all on a path to complete self-destruction.  Will make 28 Days Later look like a doco. More appropriate I would recommend the Sean Bean flik 'Outlaw'.  Sums up the UK perfectly.

Unfortunately, many over in the UK do get it.  I suggest they just get out of that shit-hole, like the South African's with any sense did.

I was born in what was, Great Britain, once was an empire I read somewhere? Glad I left a long time ago...

Off to the range... ;)

 

NuYawkFrankie's picture

re And the REAL problem in Britain is an emasculated population that would sooner lick the hands of those that would kill them rather than raise the most feeble of protests. 

 

Couldn't have said it better - or  more accurately - myself

Although I'd be tempted to substitute "a population of goddam pu$$ies" for "emasculated population" ;)

NuYawkFrankie's picture

Re In the UK we have... never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny

LOL!!!  THere's n othing quite as self-righteously dumb as a Thick-Brit!!

Hey -go ask the Irish about that. That last time I looked they'd suffered about 500yrs of British tyranny.

Wile you';re at it, go ask the Scots - although their subjugation was only about 400years or so.

WHat a freekin moron!!!

e_goldstein's picture

"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny."

Yeah, you just export that shit to Ireland. Now go fuck yourself and have a horrible day.


nc551's picture

Never suffered a revolution?  If you didn't live disarmed under tyranny you might be blessed by a revolution.

 

Nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection?  Us americans had the revolutionary war.

 

Gun rights advocates are most likely to impose tyranny and try to maintain power?  Gun rights are about NOT being subject to arbitrary power.  Live and let live.

 

That is my downvote, slave.

CaptainObvious's picture

So much bullshit, so little time, but I'll take a stab at it.  (A "stab", since you Brit pussies aren't allowed a "shot".)

"In the UK we have had LESS civil wars than America - and we have never suffered geonocide, revolution or tyranny. In contrast the armed united states has already had one civil war - and is about to start it's second."

You have most certainly suffered through tyranny.  Your islands were conquered by the Romans, who enslaved you and killed you, by the Normans, who enslaved you and killed you, by the Germans, who didn't bother with the enslavement and just settled for killing you.

America had one Civil War.  Britain, by contrast, has had many, many civil wars, the most notable being the Cromwellian Civil War following the regicide of Charles I.  You also had The Anarchy, where the succession of Matilda, William the Conqueror's daughter, was challenged by civil war.  You had the Despenser War, a civil war in which the Mortimers organized the barons in revolt against Edward II and his buttfucking buddy Hugh Despenser.  You had the War of the Roses, a civil war about the succession after the death of Richard II. Should I go on?

You have never suffered genocide?  Tell me, dear man, how did the Druids and Celts fare on the British isles?  How many of those races are still around today to tell of the mass extermination of those races?  And then tell me about how the English oppressed the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, the Indians, the Americans, the Aborigines, and tell me how you don't know about genocide.

"By contrast - heavily armed nations - like in the middle east - are notorious for their tyranny, revolution and civial war."

You're not fucking serious, are you?  Britain, three hundred years ago, was THE empire.  You Brits staked claims on every continent.  How did you do that, by asking nicely and politely?  Oh, hell to the no.  You used your superior navy and well-disciplined army for conquest.  You used your "heavy arms".  You had Canada and America, you had India and Ceylon, you had Ireland and Scotland and Wales, you had Australia, and you made near-continual war on France, Spain, Portugal, and Holland to fight over possessions in the Indies, in Africa, in South America, in the Caribbean.  What eventually stopped the British Empire?  Stupid politicians and clueless economists and oppressed people rising up all over the empire and saying enough is enough.  (This is the same way the American Empire will end, by the way.  It's the same way ALL empires end.)

"This article makes no sense in the real world - it only makes sense in the world of the deranged and paranoid gun supporter."

This article makes plenty of sense to people who are not so downtrodden and willing to lick the feet of their slave masters.  You?  Are not one of those people.

"What gun advocates don't seem to understand is that revolutions come about because of a mass of unstoppable consciousness - nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection - only tyranny comes from that. In Britain - when we have our revolution - the 'armed guards' you all fear so much will lay down their arms in support of the revolution."

Nobody ever had a revolution based on armed insurrection?  On the contrary, that is what most revolutions are based on, you ass-licking dolt.  Very few insurrections succeed without arms, the most notable being Gandhi, who only succeeded without arms because you Brits let him.

There is no guarantee that the "armed guards" will lay down their arms in support of the revolution.  Many armed guards became armed guards because they like the power they can wield, and many will be highly reluctant to relinquish that power.  Only those who fear for the safety of their own families and those who have principles and aren't afraid to stand up for them will lay down their arms.  There is no concrete way to tabulate who those folks are.

"Just as the red army laid down it's weapons and stood with the revolutionaries in Russia. If a population needs guns - it will get them. However to have them to begin with merely gives reason for the state to clamp down. Ghandi defeated the biggest colonial power in the world - without firing a single shot. Are Americans so confident they cannot match him?"

The population that needs guns needs them now, not when the black market can supply them.  Would we Americans have kicked your British asses without guns?  Uh, no.  We had to have a force that equalized your force to win the war.  Gandhi, as I already stated above, won only because you let him.  You think the British empire couldn't have crushed him like a bug at any point?  One bullet is all it would have taken, as Gandhi's assassin proved in 1948.

 "The REAL problem in america - is those who demand gun rights - are also the most likely to impose tyranny on the rest of us. The right always lose elections and they feel they need to retain a 'threat of violence' so they can maintain power - against the wil of the majority"

The rest of US?  Tell me, when did you move to America?  You are not part of "us". 

The people who demand gun rights are the people who believe in rights in general.  The people who demand gun control are the people who believe in control in general.  Who is more likely to impose tyranny, those who believe in rights or those who believe in control?

The will of the majority? The will of the majority, based upon the last US election, is for the Free Shit Army to continue to thieve the property and goods of the people who work.  I can tell that you have no problem giving up the fruits of your labor to some British slag sitting on her fat arse, popping out one child after another to the current man of the month, eating better than you are, living in better housing than you can afford, all in the name of "equality" and "fairness".  Is it equal for one person to work 40-60 hours a week and for the other person to work 0 hours?  Is it fair that some criminal can obtain an illegal gun, enter your home, steal your shit, rape your wife, shoot your dog, and you aren't allowed by law to fight back to defend your life, the lives of your family, your home, and your possessions? 

I'd pity you, but for the fact that you have opted for serfdom and have enclosed your ankles in chains by choice.  Instead, I sneer at you.

AnAnonymous's picture

Ah, 'american' articles, they are so invigorating.

What a blast to read 'american' fantasy. You've got to love it.

rsnoble's picture

As Cody Wilson would say: "FUCK THE US GOV'T"

And I totally agree with him that these godamn clowns fucked up big time letting the internet out of the gate.  It's over for them.  Outlaw the net?  Good fucking luck with that.  You won't have a society you can control at all if you piss everyone off, you won't have a society you can control for much longer with the knowledge we are gaining.  The elites are fucked! 

Unless we blow ourselves back to the stoneage, which is entirely possible, everything is full steam straight ahead.  Basically we're going to have a bunch of nitwit trillionaires grasping at straws and doing everything they can to fuck us over.

Get yourself a 3D printer:

http://www.robo3dprinter.com/products/robo-3d-abs-model-fully-assembled

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261169664563?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3...

 

DEATH TO THE ELITE!

De minimus's picture

Just my little anti push down effort, you see folks the Marxists are active on this as well as other sites. Sorry for the repeat post.

 

The republican party leadership is now "owned" by the democrats, who in reality and in fact are  "Marxists" .

Remember all those little zippergates we had a few years back? Don't for one minute think that we have heard all of them, just enough to scare the republicans into doing what the Marxists want done and not so much so as to remove the veil as well as the level of power from their hands.

Marxists have a playbook and they use it over and over because it works. The media will never tell because they are Marxist to the core and helping to drive it, if not leading it.

Make sense now?

 

Ps. DHS just purchased several billion rounds of 40 calibre hollowpoint. For qualification purposes they say. I wonder, considering the circumstances, and the fact that it's enough ammo to shoot every American 5 times, do you believe them?

I do not.

Falconsixone's picture

There never was a peaceful solution. The only thing they understand is aggression, death and destruction. The longer humans wait the tougher it will be to hang these fucks on cold sharp hooks. imo

Room 101's picture

This nullification talk is really a bunch of bullshit.  It's been knocked down by the courts every place it's been tried. And then those who pushed for it go back to saying yessir, yessir just the same as before. 

If you want self-governance, then put on your big-boy boxers and make outright political independence as your ultimate goal.

EDIT: Full disclosure - I'm not particularly pro-secession, but things are clearly moving in that direction.  Whether I happen to like it or not.    

 

world_debt_slave's picture

SNAP to pacify the masses.

Cyclerider's picture

If people wanted to stop killing, they'd acknowledge that guns in the hands of government kill far more people than those in the hands of private citizens.  Democide= murder by government.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

Another problem is that humans have terrible memories, at least compared to chimpanzees.  Watch this fascinating research.

http://youtu.be/DqoImw2ZWmI

rsnoble's picture

Oh you're not kidding a lot of us have terrible memories just bring up the criminals that created 9-11.  That is so yesterday.

rsnoble's picture

BTW let's say the gov't does outlaw 3D printers, which I don't think will happen, it's too fucking late because the knowledge is now widespread.  What a 3D printer can do is nothing short of a miracle but how it works is not so hard to understand.

Parts are generic.  What are they going to do? Outlaw plastic? Outlaw electric motors? Outlaw UPS delivery service? Outlaw importation?

They are losing their grip big time and the only thing they have left is to rapidly play out their playbook which is just going to be pure disaster.  It's not going to work, we'll all suffer in the process.  We are thru with the fucking clowns trying to control our every move.

dtwn's picture

Don't even need a 3D printer.  Just some basic hand tools.  This dude built an AK47 out of a shovel:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/build-yourself/179192-diy-sho...

A milling machine can easily make an AR receiver.  Just look at the Pakistani 'Khyber Pass' gun industry.  They turn out decent weapons in a thrid world country with rudimentary tools and techniques.  Gun making isn't rocket science.

Phoenix_Rising's picture

I'm a retired Toolmaker and I made almost all my guns.

Lots of homemade guns out there. lots

rsnoble's picture

I have a milling machine.  And a lathe.  I'm just not that good with them. Yet. The machine can easily make the parts......that's not the hard part you have know what you're doing.  Are there CNC receiver programs? I don't know but doesn't matter because I don't have CNC.  3D printing is going to blow machining away.  Much easier to push a button and sit back and watch. 

With todays technology you don't have to be overly smart for this crap.  Parts and boards are premade etc.  Just plug this into that and you have this.

I am rather mechanically inclined so I am going to combine the 3D with the machine shop.  I have near to zero electronics training yet I can build an IPhone operated Drone with some sort of weapon.  That's powerful

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Outlawing powerful magnets needed for good electric motors would be fairly easy.

Outlawing various kinds of plastic & metal beads needed for sintering would also be easy citing weapons manufacture & labeling everyone a terrorist.

No it's not nice but yes it can happen. You already lost the right to a trial before life in prison (NDAA) - this is not a stretch.

 

rsnoble's picture

The cat's out of the bag.

Helvetico's picture

You gun nuts love to fantasize about bloody, violent shoothouts. All the government would have to do to make you go without a whimper is cut off your power for about a week. Got your own generators? Good: they'll cut off your supply of diesel. Got your own supply of diesel? They'll jam all your local communications devices. Got your own cool set of hand signals? They'll figure it out via drone surveillance. Anybody in your area need their Social Security, Medicare, unemployment or veteran's benefits? Not available during a revolution, dickheads.

If the 2nd Amendment were your key to freedom, you wouldn't be in the fix you're in now, morons. The government has advanced all sorts of oppressive legislation without giving a second thought to your precious guns. All the 2nd Amendment does is give you the false feeling of power while every one of your rights is stripped with nothing stronger than a pen. 

 

 

rsnoble's picture

Looks like elite whipped your pea-sized brain.

dtwn's picture

The Syrian rebels have done just fine without power.  The Afghanis have done just fine agains the Russians and the US.  You are clearly shortsighted, naive and stupid to not be aware of current events or history.

Helvetico's picture

I'm glad a gun nut drew the parallel between Islamic jihadists in Syria and Afghanistan and firearms fanatics in the US. It's a shitty analogy, however: Syrians who've grown up under Assad and his father are used to deprivation and living in a police state. Most Afghans have never even emerged from the 7th Century. Americans break into tears if they run out of toilet paper.

 

 

Citxmech's picture

As soon as "the man" clamps down on water, fuel, transportation, and power, that - they will crush commerce, which will mortally wound the beast - they won't, and essentially can't do this on a wide-spread basis.  Not to mention that it will build popular support for the resistance.

How many folks, formally apathetic about gun-rights looked at the disarmament campaign after Katrina and woke-up?

This is a fight they can't win.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Ya? Look at Burma / Myanmar. Look at North Korea. Look at ECB domination of the poorer euro nations. They won there.

There's only so many tactical outlays in a given period of time: X time Y muntions and Z food supply = your eigenvector.

Now all the solutions spell out what's remaining of how you can resist and how they can overthrow your resistance.

nmewn's picture

So your analogy is...when the government deprives us of toilet paper TSHTF? Whats to prevent us from just taking YOUR Charmin?...it works both ways spud.

If this is the best argument gun grabbers have (top & bottom on this thread) one calls a right the same as registering a car...and then you...I'll cry when I run out of fiat toilet paper...lol...I'm not concerned in the least.

Helvetico's picture

In the absence of government, there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please. The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses. 

You fucktwits are under the impression that you are all potential Patrick Henrys, full of good, clean, patriotic intentions. You're not. You're a bunch of fucking dangerous vandals who couldn't organize your sock drawer without getting into an argument, followed by a firefight. 

If this sort of violence ever does break out, it will be limited, local and quickly stamped out. Nobody will support it except for young, unemployed men. Children, the elderly, mothers and employed men will flee. Anyone who gets a government check will flee. Anyone who wants potable water will flee. Anyone who wants prescription medication will flee. 

What are you planning on doing with casualties? Do you have field hospitals set up next to your solar panels? Are you stocked up on medical equipment and prescription medication? What's your plan for getting rid of waste in order to avoid cholera? Shitting in holes? How will you dispose of the bodies? What will you do with prisoners? What will you do when your generators, trucks and guns break down? Do you have machine shops set up which can replicate everything you might need, from lithium batteries for your night scopes to timing belts for your trucks?

Here's the thing, shitheads: we live in modern times. Unlike the revolutionaries who lived more than 200 years ago, we're highly dependent on a whole panoply of things we could never manufacture ourselves. Most of you can't hunt for shit, or even raise a decent food crop. You can't dress a wound or apply a tourniquet. Reading Soldier of Fortune or old boy scout manuals isn't going to do the trick, either. 

You're soft, modern men living an online fantasy about how you're going to return to nature and rough it in order to "win back" the country. I only wish I could lay bets on how long you'd last in a true "state of nature." Shorting you would be the most enjoyable money I'll ever make.

 

 

Helvetico's picture

In the absence of government, there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please. The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses. 

You fucktwits are under the impression that you are all potential Patrick Henrys, full of good, clean, patriotic intentions. You're not. You're a bunch of fucking dangerous vandals who couldn't organize your sock drawer without getting into an argument, followed by a firefight. 

If this sort of violence ever does break out, it will be limited, local and quickly stamped out. Nobody will support it except for young, unemployed men. Children, the elderly, mothers and employed men will flee. Anyone who gets a government check will flee. Anyone who wants potable water will flee. Anyone who wants prescription medication will flee. 

What are you planning on doing with casualties? Do you have field hospitals set up next to your solar panels? Are you stocked up on medical equipment and prescription medication? What's your plan for getting rid of waste in order to avoid cholera? Shitting in holes? How will you dispose of the bodies? What will you do with prisoners? What will you do when your generators, trucks and guns break down? Do you have machine shops set up which can replicate everything you might need, from lithium batteries for your night scopes to timing belts for your trucks?

Here's the thing, shitheads: we live in modern times. Unlike the revolutionaries who lived more than 200 years ago, we're highly dependent on a whole panoply of things we could never manufacture ourselves. Most of you can't hunt for shit, or even raise a decent food crop. You can't dress a wound or apply a tourniquet. Reading Soldier of Fortune or old boy scout manuals isn't going to do the trick, either. 

You're soft, modern men living an online fantasy about how you're going to return to nature and rough it in order to "win back" the country. I only wish I could lay bets on how long you'd last in a true "state of nature." Shorting you would be the most enjoyable money I'll ever make.

 

 

nmewn's picture

We can't even get decent Bolshevik trolls around here anymore...lol.

"In the absence of government,..."

Who said anything about absence of anything? You believe we are ALL anarchists?

"....there's nothing to prevent you and your armed buddies from looting, stealing and raping as much as you please."

There is a difference between liberating supplies stolen from the people and "looting" isn't there? And by all appearences, it looks like your rape smear was just thrown in for rhetorical effect. We believe in both men AND women being able to defend themselves.

"The US will turn into Somalia overnight, except the gangbangers will be white and spout Constitionalist nonsense instead of Koranic verses."

You're now living under the misconception that Constitutionalists are all white and this country's Bill of Rights is a statement of ones religion?

Are you on Feinsteins staff or Obama's? I only ask because you're a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance (as defined by your comment) that can only come from one place...inside the federal government itself.

Helvetico's picture

I am Diane Feinstein, and my cock is bigger than yours. That's why I'm in the US Senate and you're home alone, crying and lovingly stroking the metal dildo you call a "gun." Now run along and play with your penis replacers while I write the laws of this country with my 14" laptop.

overmedicatedundersexed's picture

feinstein writes nothing pal, she is paid to shill what is written for her, she is a face put in public so the real masters can remain safely out of public eye.

nmewn's picture

Wow...cocks, dildos, dead bodies, rape, religion, penis...I'm forming quite the opnion of your comments.

Are you gonna personally order my assassination Mz. Feinstein or you gonna leave it to your " huge staff"?...lol.

So tell me Di-Fi, how big do you think my dick is and what good will ALL your laws be when no one OBEYS them?

 

runningman18's picture

I have solar power, actually.  You guys going to cut off the sun?

Also, the 2nd Amendment IS our key freedom.  Notice that Obama has issued all these draconian executive orders and signed legislation like the NDAA, and yet, he has barely implemented it.  Why?  Because they haven't disarmed us yet.  If our guns didn't matter, they would be using their totalitarian powers right now on a wide scale.  They are still afraid of our ability to fight back.

 

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

A good coat of paint over all your land & a good coat of salt would deal with your food supply & solar panels pretty quick. Drones can do that if not use actual guns or missiles to hit a panel or a structure (your house).

Don't forget that.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

You forgot we can signal using our own laid cable AND laser-sight AND no drone can spot reflected sunlight or lasers that are aimed properly, AND well-armed people can defend their land from the government with ONE EXCEPTION.

Nerve gas.

That's right, when the time is right the USA will use drone to drop nerve gas all over the place, killing millions, then say Iran hacked a drone.

The story's already so well written it needs only the ending.

The US military has been far too open with their drones being hacked AND by Iran AND Iran plays into it like IDIOTS for national pride AND a story over a year ago of the entire drone network being infected with a virus that keeps re-infecting, can't be removed by any means. Openly ADMITTED, too openly to be trusted.

tongue.stan's picture

The whole Dorner fiasco highlighted an interesting aspect of the police state gun control matrix.

Who were the ones cheering on Dorner in his fight against injustice/racist cops/the Man? Why, it was the ghetto dwellers, the EBTers, and overwhelmingly (though unverifyably) unregistered gun owners, ie. gang bangers who have no problems killing.

So, who are in fact allies against the tyranny of the out of control State and its confiscatory madness?

Why, it appears that the pot bellied redneck good ole boy gun luvers have an enemy in common with the droopy panted dark skninned illiterate goofballs of the inner city. They both hate the shit skittles being rained down upon them by the demon unicorns of the Statists.

If the two groups ever wake up to this reality, TPTB will be well and truly fucked.

Room 101's picture

Which might be why those who are truly able to communicate across the race gap have very short life expectancies.  

steve from virginia's picture

 

 

Dumbest article yet on Xero Hedge:

 

"Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment."

 

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well ...

 

Nullification is illegal and unconstitutional. So much for defending the Constitution.

 

... it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment ...

 

Huh? First of all, the premise is factually incorrect, there is an establishment push to do as little as possible about everything, Second, even if the 2d Amendment was repealed (like the 18th Amendment) firearms would still be legal along with other consumer products such as lawnmowers and paint remover. In the sense that the 2d Amendment permits what is not prohibited elsewhere, it is redundant.

 

The problem with the 2d Amendment is it gives a platform to  Freikorp apparatchiks like Brandon Smith or corporate penis-suckers like Wayne LaPierre to insinuate themselves into the political space as 'Defenders of the Constitution'. The only reason these fools can get away with such nonsense is the government bosses aren't smart enough to know when they've been rolled.

 

In addition, Article One describes in detail the organization of the military forces of the Republic and Congressional responsibilities, one of which is the suppression of insurrections. This is and was a duty of militias, by the way. The idea that the Constitution by way of the 2d Amendment somehow sanctions insurrections -- which is the unnofficial nomination of the legitimate government as a 'tyranny' by 3d parties outside of the Federal government itself -- is completely wrong, the Amendment intends the exact opposite.

 

Since the government is able to arm its military forces there is no need for a 'shadow' military force, indeed such forces have historically proven very dangerous. They are easily coopted by extremists, intelligence agencies or militaries, they undermine and overthrow legitimate, in many cases democratic governments.

 

 

gnomon's picture

Steve, 

These red herrings have been put out of their misery long ago.  It is embarrassing that you are foisting them upon zerohedge readership who know from much research and historical literature and even the most recent Supreme Court rulings that what you are trying to feed us is a bunch of crap. 

I have seen and expected much better from you.