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Guest Post: Gun Rights - Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populace is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”. 

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values. 

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.  

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads? 

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/02/03/first-molon-labe-town-in-america/

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience. 

This brand of internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left. 

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration. 

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.             

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.            

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

http://defensedistributed.com/

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant. 

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with "majority support".  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.  

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…

 


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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:02 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Mom?

 

Is that you?

 

...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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Best response to this issue ever.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment A. Buttle
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How's the weather in Quantico, Stevie? No raise this year sucks, huh? How bout them Wizards!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I'll refer your ridiculous argument to another document of import... See if you recognize these words:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Wanton1
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Nullification is legal as apple pie.

You twit.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:51 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Sorry, that is factually incorrect.

 

The nullification issue was decided by the US Civil War: 1861-1865.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:05 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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No, it was not. Period. The consitution remains that States exceed Federal at all times except "interstate commerce" and the Supreme Court, and I'm sure executive orders have a place in there too.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:31 | Link to Comment runningman18
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Even if nullification was "illegal" (which it's not), how are you going to stop it?  Your so-called laws are meaningless.  The only option for the feds is to use military force.  I say hey, bring it on!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:00 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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I hate to break it but nullification is indeed illegal, Federal authority is supreme in the US, that was the point of Constitution in the first place (original Articles of Confederation gave states authority). You might want to take some time and actually READ the Constitution you are so adamant about ...'defending'?

 

"Your so-called laws are meaningless" who/what are you, Genghis Khan? What a joke!

 

"The only option is for the Feds to use military force." No, the option is to cut off your Social Security check ... then you will have to pawn your belongings to afford booze.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment g speed
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dumbest comment on a article yet on Zero Hedge

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:03 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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nullification is FULLY legal and FULLY Constitutional. The States' laws EXCEED THE FEDERAL laws in authority.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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There is a solution but the government won't go for it.  Pass this law:  Use a gun in the commission of a crime and go to jail for ten years.

We all need to get guns out of the hands of the criminals.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:35 | Link to Comment g speed
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and your definition of a "crime" is??

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:02 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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90% of these gun-toting criminals are carrying badges & are immune to prosecution by virtue of full access to destroy evidence or manufacture evidence to frame an accuser of any crime.

That's a serious problem, hence the Rise of the Dark Dorner & more black Jason Bourne copycats to follow soon.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment TomGa
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This is How the DHS Seizes Your Guns

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently raided one of our readers: a kitchen table FFL dealer who does everything—everything—by the book. He has, however, consistently criticized the ATF for its unconstitutional regulations and long history of extra-legal activities. This is his story.

Update to follow, after he consults with his lawyer . . .

 First of all, forget about them coming to the door. They’ll intercept you on your way home from the Doctor’s office (for example), then one vehicle will come up behind you and two will block your way in front and turn on the flashing lights. They then jump out with ‘real’ assault rifles, point them at you and order your hands up, and exit the vehicle.  You, being a law abiding citizen, comply. At gunpoint, they order you to assume the position against your car, handcuffs you and frisk you, and you’re directed to get into the back seat. Then the lead agent gets into the driver seat and drives your car to your driveway. You sit there with cuffed hands behind you – bleeding.

As multiple vehicles close off the street and announce over a loudspeaker for all your neighbors to remain indoors (and are prohibited from leaving), the lead agent calls your house and directs your wife to come out of the house – and sit in the front seat. She does. Then the Homeland Security Special Tactical Unit, and the county sheriff Swat Team arrive, and drive two armored cars over the curb onto the lawn, as the “Jack Booted Thugs” with machine guns, helmets, boots, camo, etc. enter and search your house."

 

Continues:

http://chasvoice.blogspot.nl/2013/02/this-is-how-dhs-seizes-your-guns.html

 

Molon Labe, eh?  More like, divide et impera.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Phoenix_Rising
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Better start hiring a whole lotta DHS officers....

Like all the IRS they hired to impliment Obamacare.

GOOD LUCK

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment gnomon
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They do a few of these and a disturbed hornet's nest would be tame in comparison. Hell would be unleashed.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:48 | Link to Comment g speed
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Meanwhile Mr Nebish is peering in the back yard window of Mr swat team leade'rs house and taking aim at the kids inside with mom's old 16 ga double because he lost his job and blames the guy with a gov't job and the snazy new blacked out SUV parked on the front lawn. 

One fantasy calls for another-

Tom Ga---turn off the tv--get a life--

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:55 | Link to Comment TomGa
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TV? WTF? This actually happened, Ace. And DHS / BATFE sure as hell came and took 'em. The government just keeps playing a strategy of "divide and conquer," albeit one-by-one.  Your comment is a complete non-sequitur.

 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:01 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Absolutely. There was a youtuber named CoryC who lost a bunch of guns & a bunch of cash they can hold for 7 years with no charges, only the accusation he "may have" been selling human growth hormone. He had another stash of money, silver & guns, thankfully.

His channel is gone now but his video details that he was talking about airline tickets with a person who worked on his driveway. THAT person is accused of HGH dealing & the police all decided "airline tickets" was code (it wasn't) and took EVERYTHING. He had a newborn child and guns were pointed at EVERYONE.

If he resisted they would have killed his wife & child right in front of him.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment dtwn
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"Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a "majority" we do not have in order to prevail."

 

Those skeptics can eat a dick.  All one has to do is look at Syria.  The FSA terrorists are able to bring down Assad's MiGs and hellicopters with heavy machine guns.  They have captured tanks.  They have captured and overrun many military bases and weapons depots.  Small weapons can be used to secure bigger weapons, then those larger weapons can capture artillery etc.  That's also forgetting what can be done with a little fertilizer to make IEDs.  Also, some terrorist 'rebel' groups have acquired heavy weapons from defectors from the Syrian army.  Technology means nothing to a determined opposition.  Shit, look at Afghanistan.  Dudes living in mud huts with crude AK47s have defeated both the Russian and American armed forces.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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Afghans are tough because they live in mud huts without running water, electricity, telephones or heat. They walk up and down 14,000 foot mountains strewn with rocks and prone to avalanches in the winter. Some still live as nomadic goatherders. 

You think soft, fat Americans used to extra-soft Charmin are woven from the same material? Put the bong down.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment runningman18
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American gun enthusiasts have far more weapons training and much more advanced equipment than the Afghans, and frankly, we shoot straighter and farther.  Afghans use 30 year old AK's and mortor rounds and wool blankets to hide thermal signature.  The American people are much better equipped, and many of us have been training in harsh conditions for years.  Your argument is pure conjecture based on a biased worldview, but I guess we'll find out soon enough how "soft" we are...

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:55 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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common big-city dwelling Murrikins have none of these skills, even many who have guns.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment g speed
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Yea really tough-- sucking on huckas while the women harvest that poppy milk ---

 American softies on the other hand have to go through high stress activities every day(drive in NY city much---or LA freeway) work with multiple schedules --use duplicity and "craft" daily in their routine, are past masters at reading intent and body language in others, are rife with distrust and hate for authority, have many layers of networks, are mobile and elusive and most likely have a stock of weapons and ammo. Many are educated in the use of machines and advanced tech, have access to state resources and communications, are past (or current) members of some military/veterans group. Most have access to medical supplies and cures.  

If I had to choose I'd rather mess with an Afgan than with an Amero in a hostile environment.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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You might want to pull up a topo map of the states, Junior. Just might be a few who live, work, hunt, fish, prep prepared in mountains as well.

Some of us grew up in the mountains to Junior.  

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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Afghans are tough because they live in mud huts without running water, electricity, telephones or heat. They walk up and down 14,000 foot mountains strewn with rocks and prone to avalanches in the winter. Some still live as nomadic goatherders. 

You think soft, fat Americans used to extra-soft Charmin are woven from the same material? Put the bong down.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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I think you seriously underestimate the ability of a desperate American population to bring asymetric and leaderless resitance to bear.

Of course they system is crushing itself so hard now from its own bloated weight that it won't take much to ultimately bring it down.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Nimby
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You're right.  The Northeast is fucked.  I guess the South really will rise again.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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Especially when the disarm the NE. I also expect Ca to be invaded by Az in the midterm.

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:22 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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"All one has to do is look at Syria.
The FSA terrorists are able to bring down Assad's MiGs and hellicopters with heavy machine guns.  They have captured tanks.  They have captured and overrun many military bases and weapons depots ..."

 

... something to somehow look forward to, the US turned into Syria.

 

For what great cause? To improve peoples' lives, for justice or honor? No, 'patriots' of course ... Fighting to the death for their right to possess symbols ... fetishes of ruin and empty power, to bully, intimidate and terrorize others for no reason other than because they can.

 

These false patriots have so little courage they must hold the symbols because without them they have nothing.

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment gnomon
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No we hold to the inalienable rights which must not be compromised for the so-called Greater Good, (which is just a euphemism for oppressive State Control and the confiscation of property along with a severe truncation of Liberty).  

From the tenor of your comments I think that you might believe that you are in tune with the future such as it is now unfolding, and that the State will never turn on you.  

You will find yourself sadly mistaken if the linchpin of the Constitution and our inalienable rights is forcibly removed and rendered ineffective.

We only wish to be left alone and to leave others alone.  

"Syria" is their choice, not ours.  And we dearly hope they will think again and not set in motion something which will be very hard to harness even if they think it might be to their advantage.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Brixton Guns
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The biggest problem with discussions like this is that so-called "revolution" or armed revolt of any kind is EXACTLY what TPTB [ie the CB cabal] want - giving rise to full deployment of the MSHEPA [Model State Health Emergency Powers Act] and all the rest of the FEMA-camp oriented Executive Orders that go with it.  The current buzzword is "civil unrest" and this is exactly what bullhorning maniacs like Alex Jones are serving to incite, meanwhile hiding behind the very Jesuitical disguise of being a "truther" - nothing could be further from the truth as these disinfo clowns serve as gatekeepers, throwing wrenches into earnest efforts to uncover the real story behind the lies we are constantly sold.

Only peaceful nonconfrontational resistance, noncompliance, has any chance of working.  The second guns are pulled out, hello martial law, and the Constitution is gone - FOREVER.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment runningman18
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They want a small revolt that they can control and demonize.  Not a massive fight.  Plus, it doesn't really matter.  Like the article says, when you are faced with the choice of fighting back, or kneeling down and begging for mercy, what are YOU going to do?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:50 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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"Only peaceful nonconfrontational resistance, noncompliance, has any chance of working"

Even though in the past it always led to genocide & defeat.

No, you Fail.

India got wise too which is why they have NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Ghandi won NOTHING.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment dragoneyes74
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The gun issue, which I won't be commenting on anymore because I'm just tired of it, seems to be as sensitive as the abortion issue.  And like the anti-abortion crowd, the gun-loving crowd is absolutist in their thinking and doesn't seem to hear the grey-area arguments others like myself have been making.  I find the arguments of gun lovers to be either delusional, or simply created around a lie they are telling themselves because they don't want to be bothered with questioning their own biases. 

The main problem with your piece, Brandon, is it's built on a lie that is convenient for your desire to feel threatened, but it has no basis in reality.  The government does NOT want to disarm the population.  I've said this so often that I'm sick of the conversation.  No one wants to change the 2nd Amendment.  Period.  The moment someone wants to do that I will be the first one in line at the protests.  The debate is, and always has been, about where to draw the line in the degree of firearm power that is necessary for the purpose of civilian self-defense from other people and "government tyranny".  This is where the gun lovers veer off into the fantasy land of ideas and disconnect from practical reality, which, by the way, is the same mistake Ben Bernanke and many other intellectuals make.  Most intellectuals are capable of far ranging combinations of complex thoughts in the mental realm of IDEAS, but are usually incapable of imagining how those ideas would translate into the physical world.  Meaning, they can put together a theoretical synthesis of ideas that fits nicely together like a puzzle in their mind, and even seems to make logical sense, but they break down when they're actually implemented, mostly because the realm of absolute ideas, just like the realm of computers, can not factor in the free will and psychology of people in the real world where shades of grey and zero absolutes reign supreme.  Find me a person capable of traversing the same far ranging and complex depths of the intellectuals but with a strong grounding in human psychology and the physicality of the real world, and who is also capable of a fully embedded imagined translation of those ideas into our practical everyday modern existence, and I'll show you the true perception of an awakened mind.

Our politicians, while often corrupt, narcissistic and immoral, are not monsters like Hitler was a monster.  These people grew up with us, interact with us all the time, and most likely had good intentions when they started.  Sure, many of them got corrupted by the power, but there is no secret story that's revealed to them when the get elected and enter the halls of Congress.  The problem isn't the individual politicians; the problem is the system itself.  The politicians are simply doing what humans do: protecting their own self-interest.  You could make the case that this is the fatal design flaw of a democracy, or a republic that morphs into a democracy.  While even the most well-intentioned family-run monarchy or dictatorship will eventually have a generation in the lineage that succumbs to the power and morphs into a repressive totalitarian regime, a system with politicians endlessly trying to appease their constituents may always result in the public demanding so many safeguards and benefits to protect their own self-interest that the system implodes.  Many of the things that conspiracy theorists point to are simply the workings of a corrupted system, not the collusion of the participants in power operating under the same agenda.  (There are some conspiracies I am sympathetic to, btw.)  

What we can agree on is the intention of the founding fathers was to setup a system that made it much more difficult, if not impossible to have the degree of manipulation we see today in our currency as well as the deep integration of economically powerful international corporations with the power of the politicians to write laws in their favor.  And there are things we can do to reverse that.  Unfortunately, I doubt it can be done without a collapse of the system first, but it CAN be done.  And if it can't be done proactively, it will be done simply by reachig the limits of the system.  While most of the political corruption we see today is the result of economic power dominating political power, there is no secret plan to takeover the country that will require a violent revolution from the people that your writing about guns always implies. 

If you want to know what your violent revolution would look like then look no further than the Chris Dorner situation, only on a larger scale.  You and your gun toting Ted Nuggent cohorts with all your idealogies and manifestos would be the crazy people on the news who lost touch with reality but were on a mission to protect the country from the bad guys in Washington.  The police and the military would gun you down as the rest of the public looks for jobs and wonders what goes wrong in people's minds to make them commit such violent acts.  As much as I'm sick of the rantings and philosophies of gun lovers, I do believe you have good intentions, at least I'm going to look at it like that.  I believe you are sincerely concerned about the direction of this country and want to ensure freedom does not get crowded out by power.  However, I suggest you focus your passion on raising awareness of the issues that matter.  Things like: campaign finance reform; abolishing the federal reserve and returning to money that can't be manipulated; replacing the income tax with a consumption tax so the politicians can't manipulate the tax code; dismantling the revolving door of politicians and corporations....  

The only chance we have is through awareness, not through violence.  No one wants to disarm the public.  We simply want to examine the line of what is an acceptable weapon to make available to civilians.  The price of having the line too slanted in your direction is that unnecessarily powerful weapons become too easily available to mentally unstable people.  There is no way to absolutely prevent these horrific tragedies, and we need to step up what can be done in terms of identifying mentally unstable people before they turn to violence, but there has to be some kind of admission on behalf of the gun lovers that if we blindly allow violence-prone mentally unstable people to anonymously purchase high-powered weapons society suffers more than it is protected.  There has to be a way to allow those who can responsibly handle the power to have those weapons while filtering out those who can't.  Whether that's requiring stricter licensing, or training, or whatever, the gun crowd needs to hear that we don't want to disarm the responsible gun owners, we want to make it more difficult (granted, it would never be impossible) for the wrong people to get their hands on them.  Maybe one tragedy is avoided because a mentally unstable person has to reach out to the black market to get his weapons and someone alerts the police.  The NRA has a monetary agenda just like the Republicans have a political agenda to get their funding, as well as the votes of the gun loving public, who I believe are sincere but misguided in their thinking about what weapons are necessary and what weapons are overkill.  That is the debate.  

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Phoenix_Rising
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Handguns cause 97% of gun related deaths.....

Mostly illegal handguns at that

Everyone speaks to support their prejudices....both sides.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Nimby
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And firearms are reposible for 100% of firearms deaths!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Phoenix_Rising
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Sorry I was wrong here.....

I should have said 97% of gun related CRIME (not deaths) involve handguns.

I still stand by my comment of illegal handguns causing the biggest share (no hard data to confirm this)

Long rifle or so called assault rifles are around 3%

 

SO WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS?  That was my point.

The FBI's own statistics show that banning these weapons will do little to reduce the overall number of homicides/crime.

Over 60% of all gun related crime/homicides are committed by blacks and Hispanics.

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 The violence in Chicago in the 1930's was not due to a failure to ban tommy guns.

Nor is the violence today unrelated to Prohibition II (war on drugs) and the ancillary criminal-gang-fostering prison system.

Prohibition II, as conceived and practiced, is a "jim Crow" policy. Of course, it is not strictly racist, but was intended to suppress anti-establishment whites as well. Intrusive policing is a hallmark of enforcing victimless "crimes".

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment kill switch
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So whats wrong with an AR-15 fully auto? Just trying to be at parity with the government....what the hell a little fair play me thinks.

 

The kill switch

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:38 | Link to Comment gnomon
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dragoneyes, 

I hope they are paying you for this drivel, this smarmy clap-trap designed to seduce the majority into that one last fatal step into unescapable tyranny.

As Brandon pointed out our forefathers faced this exact same dilemma prior to and at the onset of the American Revolution.  I don't want civil strife, and I will not strike the first blow, nor even plan for the first blow.  But I will respond forcefully if they try to jam this agenda down my throat or my neighbor's throat.

Your message is to trust the government.  They have lost that trust on the eve of financial collapse and probable world war.  What fools would we be to give up significant advantages for our survival, (the most basic of our inalienable rights), in such a toxic, corrupt, and dangerous environment?

As I said, hope they paid you well, because you are blowing smoke up your own ass, no one else's.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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+1.

Lots of good Germans ended up paying the ultimate price because they believed that their leaders were benevolent.  A benevolent government shouldn't/wouldn't fear the people - and a benevolent government would abide by the rule of law that authorizes its own existance.

This government, at present, has declared the Constitution irrelevant to their mission.  That mission, by definition, has become an illegal program.

Sure, the govt doesn't want to disarm us - they just want to take as many of the effective arms of defense from us as they can possibly manage.  But it's for our own good, of course (while they stockpile more and more ammunition).

Oh yes, and don't forget that 2+2=5 when asked for your papers at the next "freedom and safety checkpoint."

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment runningman18
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If the government does "not want to disarm the population", then WHY are the trying to DISARM us right now?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 02:41 | Link to Comment chirobliss
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Good luck with a reasoned argument. This is now the website of mouth-breathers and rabid revanchists whose fervid imaginations are only inflamed by the fact that most reasonable people do not want to live in their Somalia-like warlord ruled frontier.

They lost the last election, and the one before that and the one before that, and they will lose every election to come because they are born losers, and every election lost rubs in their craw the fact that the world still turns and it is leaving them behind.

They don't believe in democracy and the only liberty they campaign for is their liberty to impose their asinine dogmas on everyone else, preferably through the barrel of a gun.

I salute you for your willingness to engage in a presentation of thought informed by facts, but sadly the insane are unable to perceive a challenge to their imagined reality as anything other than an assault on their person and your efforts will draw little other than abuse and thumbs down.

Take pleasure in the dismissive asinine vitriole, as will I in those that will inevitably greet me too. It is a mark of a reasonable person, and reasonable people are unwelcome in Tyler's sanitorium. 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:48 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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"They don't believe in democracy and the only liberty they campaign for is their liberty to impose their asinine dogmas on everyone else, preferably through the barrel of a gun."

You just described the tyranny of a power grabbing government. You hide behind vocabulary because you think if you use large words you will win an argument. I am not pro gun, I AM ANTI CRIME YOU SMARMY COCKSUCKER. Do some fucking research. Why did home invasions go up in Australia by leaps and bounds when they confiscated guns? That is right Mr. "I don't understand the criminal mind or tyrannical government". You're a needle dick little fuck. I don't want my orthodoxy to be forced on anyone, I simply want to protect my daughter. Fuck you. You know words, you certainly do not know human nature. No amount of legislation or confiscation will stop violence and I'll be damned if you will render me impotent to defense of my home and person. The founding fathers gave us the second amendment to safeguard our freedom and protect our shit. 3.7 GPA and entering a top tier law school in 2014 just so I can wipe the fucking courtroom with little shits like you.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 04:28 | Link to Comment chirobliss
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I wish you well on your future career.

Before you appear before a judge, or even before you proceed to entertain your classmates in moot court you may like to learn a few of those "big words" and while you're busy at that you may also like to investigate the meaning of the words you use but which are clearly beyond your comprehension like "tyranny" and "freedom".

And, of course in presenting arguments in support of your biases you may wish to investigate why, time and again, judges admonish green advocates that, "correlation does not imply causation" (cf... increase in home invasions and consequences of south-asian immigration into Australia post the White Australia Policy.)

Also, I would love to be in court when your riposte to a judge who overrules you for not having done a little basic research is to remind said judge...

  "I AM ANTI CRIME YOU SMARMY COCKSUCKER"

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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You use big words to bandy about in the hopes that floating them will take the focus as your opponent goes to see what they mean. Big words have been used in our legislation for the simple fact of eroding liberty at the hands of the pen. I understand that these battles will be fought by the pen and not the sword.I simply out research people. You provide no research. You provide assumptive verbosity. Do you refute my claim or counteract it with other stats? No. You fall back on your slick tongued arsenal which is only worth the hot air that courses past it. I suppose in this case you have used your muscles of masturbation; the worth of this exercise. Judging by your posting hour, you are more than likely a Brit. Stay there and well far away from our debate as we would never debate about the verbiage of the anti-knife legislation that beckons your halls of judiciary accord. Unless of course I assumed wrong and you are part of the pro-knife club. Make no mistake. You have merely taught me some new words that I will never use. You provide no clarified backing to any argument. You don't even have an argument. You just put people down by assuming we are all "mouth breathers" as if to make you seems better than others. Put downs. Nothing of worth. You are a smarmy cocksucker.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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Spot on observastion from the troll's who spew forth their Alinsky tactic's defense. What they don't realize, is how obvious their naked emperor arguement has become to all of us so called common people they preach at, imho. 

 

I take the politically correct approach when answering centrist planned, for the collective gun grabber comment's now a day's. I tell them to FUCK OFF!!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Check out my post below/above(depending on your ZH preferences) that has STATISTICS....you know? Those fucking things that no amount of words can undo?

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Teamtc321
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I have and I agree. My comment above was point at chirobliss Alinsky style debate tactics.

 

Keep up the good work Rebel and thank you for posting fact's, gun grabber's hate fact's backed by statistics imho.   

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 16:22 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Molon Labe

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Skip
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I think it behooved each and every single one of us, AND OUR FAMILIES, to join the NRA.

http://www.nrahq.org/

Because the Bolsheviks are prepared to do their WORST and believe me, that is TOO TERRIBLE to contemplate.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_...
Americans never give up your guns   Thursday, December 27, 2012
By Stanislav Mishin

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Who needs "nuclear energy" with AnAnonymous>isms <...    I can feel the the HEAT!   <sarc>

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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One page one of the web posting, not a single mention of holding a Constitutional Convention.  What's the matter, worried that a convention would destroy the RKBA?  What about debt slavery, the destruction of the Fourth Amendment, EPA run amok, etc.???  There is so much to fix and a loud publc debate about a Convention and the required ratification of its work product by the surviving states will drive the left nuts, for it means the end of their power.   Please tell me why the trajectory we are on is worse than holding a Convention.

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment gnomon
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A Constitutional Convention is a trap prior to the Deluge.  After the Deluge it will be a good idea, if it goes as I suspect it will.  

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Nick Jihad
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Because the people voting in that convention would be the same ones who voted in Obama? Duh?

 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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Let’s see… we organize an assembly in your county for the purpose of holding criminal and useful-idiot classes accountable for their crimes… and you hunch down and twaddle your thumbs?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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If there are to be constitutional conventions, we must follow the example of American Founders: they began with local assemblies (conventions) and, eventually, held national conventions (Continental Congresses); and, they did not wait for permission from a so-called authority (king, Congress, National Council of Churches…).

However, before Americans, or anyone, can establish a convention – much less, know what to do when one is established – it is essential they learn the real history of redress, its law and procedures.

As you gain this knowledge, you will realize the enormous power available to you thru the right of redress.

And, you won’t find this knowledge in current law or history books.

So far, I possess a monopoly on this knowledge, despite my many efforts to disseminate it.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:30 | Link to Comment g speed
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Redress worked well in England when Englishmen were willing to execute the King. It's just another way of applyng force--you have to back up the right of redress with force.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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You’re right.

And the only force that will obtain redress, and advance liberty, is available only thru assemblies, which are the only instruments by which men exercise their sovereignty – in every land and every age.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment baldski
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Tyler Durden:

Where did you find this bat shit crazy person and why is he posting here?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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Tyler, you wrote, “Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads?”

You then suggest we try other methods, namely, watching/joining “Oath Keepers” or “Sheriffs for gun rights”.

I would suggest caution relative to these organizations, a lot of it.

Oath Keepers represent themselves as adhering to constitutional principles.  But, when you examine their corporate charter, their founders have set themselves up as directors/dictators for life; once you buy a share in such a corporation, you lose your right of disposal relative to the property represented by your shares.  These are two rather clear anti-constitutional measures.

While Sheriffs for gun rights (CSPOA) may have good intentions, the main result of their actions will be to divert otherwise useful energy and resources into fruitless actions while ruling thieves grab more booty and search for places to hide.

Why are their actions fruitless?  If you will examine the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) of any city, county or state, you will find they derive 20% to 50% of their revenue from the US Treasury.  When these state employees feel their monthly checks of $5,000 (for grunts) to $15,000 (for department heads) at risk, all but one in 10,000 will buckle; and, I may be optimistic here.

I’m sorry, but all existing forums of redress are corrupted beyond remedy.

If we are to have redress, we must learn lessons of history.  In particular, we have to learn lessons of how English rebels brought down judges and tax collectors, bishops and kings who thot they had a divine right to impose taxes or debt on other men without the latters’ consent; men, who 150 years later, would guide American rebels.

When you learn these lessons, American Founders lose much of their luster; all they did was add a few improvements to what their ancestors did.

You see, an American Revolution is nothing more than the process of redress of grievances.  That’s all.  Thomas Jefferson said we should have one every twenty years to clear away accumulated grievances.  I have to disagree, grievances occur every day in every community of the globe.  Why wait twenty years for justice?  The redress of grievances should be a daily service… on a global scale.

But let’s start among ourselves for now.

In the meantime, without these lessons of history, all that is possible to you are missions of suicide.

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment runningman18
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What the hell are you talking about?  Oath Keepers has regional directors, but how are they "dictators" again?  Who is being "dictated" to?

The founding fathers were the very first group of rebels to institute a government based on the respect of individual liberty, and, they defeated the most powerful empire of the world at that time.  I hardly call that small potatoes.  Also, the English have never crawled out from under the thumb of the elites.  Even to this day they act like a bunch of simpering slaves, handing over all their firearms and cowering before government.

Also, how does one "redress greivances" when the system is totally corrupt?  How does one redress greivances with a government that serves a financial elite, rather than the common man?  

There is only one way - physical revolution.

 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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Why do you insist on a Bolshevik revolution?

Do your research… and you will find that there are two kinds of revolution: one that advances the cause of tyranny and the other that advances the cause of liberty. I call one a Bolshevik – the other, an American – revolution.

We are dealing with events that will shape the destiny of the world; only fools, or saboteurs, will not perform due diligence.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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When he wrote Democracy in America, de Touqueville cited the fact that most Americans could trace the history of their country back to its origins, and even the most average blue-collar type could articulate it with clarity and understanding of why the country was born and why the people were so independent and resourceful.  He said as long as Americans could do that, their republic would be strong.  

I wonder what he would say today.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment chirobliss
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Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.

Gawd, what a moron.

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.

And again I say... Gawd, what a moron. And lest you think me uncivilised for unvarnished name calling, this twit has besmirched the reputatons and histories of every democracy in the western world.

American exceptionalism clearly refers to some Meercan's exceptional ability to be totally ignorant of everything outside their hallowed borders.

Gawd, what a moron.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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"And again I say... Gawd, what a moron. And lest you think me uncivilised for unvarnished name calling, this twit has besmirched the reputatons and histories of every democracy in the western world."  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm      

Oh you Brits are so civilized.....What will you ban next? Hammers? Screwdrivers? Hide behind your anonymity with baseless taunts. You know you are wrong. Here you go Mr. Research:  

The UK:  "According to bare statistics, the ban initially appeared to have little impact, as the number of crimes involving guns in England and Wales rose heavily during the late 1990s to peak at 24,094 offenses in 2003/04."  

Australia:  (In 1996) Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement, banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms. The government also launched a forced buyback scheme to remove thousands of firearms from private hands. Between Oct. 1, 1996, and Sept. 30, 1997, the government purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 of the banned guns at a cost of $500 million.  To what end? While there has been much controversy over the result of the law and buyback, Peter Reuter and Jenny Mouzos, in a 2003 study published by the Brookings Institution, found homicides "continued a modest decline" since 1997. They concluded that the impact of the National Firearms Agreement was "relatively small," with the daily rate of firearms homicides declining 3.2%.  ... In 2008, the Australian Institute of Criminology reported a decrease of 9% in homicides and a one-third decrease in armed robbery since the 1990s, but an increase of over 40% in assaults and 20% in sexual assaults."

I'll check back as you peruse your fucking thesaurus......

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment samsara
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Something tells me this isn't sitting well in the fly over country.

 

New York State Resistance - "... prime for something like that." 1/29/13   

4:16 min 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BTdhVxva5KU

(I love it at 2:37 a guy says " I get a sense from the audience here that there is not a lot of enthusiasm for compliance..." and the crowd roars...  )

Non-Compliance Resistance Evident at Buffalo vs New York State Q & A Forum  
The Total Meeting 33:26 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol1SzjHPFGw

 

Old guys from Buf are pissed,  Youth unemployment going to mid double digits,   I don't know,  not a good combination. 

One old timer like in the film, said "I've got a closet full of nothing to lose,  and several don't give a damn suit cases to put it in"

 

An average guy with nothing to lose is a scary thing.

A fade out background sound track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvgRrbLq5Zs

 

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Phoenix_Rising
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For a lot of people it's time....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment TomGa
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Remember the pissed off guy who flew his plane into an IRS office?  Not a lot of the population has planes, but a damn lot of them sure as hell have guns. Just sayin'....

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:03 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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One last thought before I get hammered and log off the PC for the benefit of mankind this evening:

Just imagine where the fucking clowns in gov't would be at right now at this minute with gun legislation and all their other bullshit if it weren't for internet!!!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Although I agreed with almost everything this article said, on a superficial level, it is otherwise another example of the degree to which is it manifestly IMPOSSIBLE to make any sane arguments, given the actual degree to which our whole social system is utterly INSANE!!!

When weapons of mass destruction made war insane, they simultaneously made violent revolutions insane. However, nothing stops the established social habits within the established social systems from continuing their tragic trajectory towards becoming increasingly insane, to a degree that goes completely OFF THE SCALE of all previous human history, by several orders of magnitude!!! THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON THE RUNAWAY TRIUMPH OF FINANCIAL FRAUDS, BACKED BY FORCE. Those are going to automatically get worse, faster ... That includes everything that leads towards preparations for the people whose social habits made and maintained those systems which drives them towards preparing to start more genocidal wars, along with imposing democidal martial law. OF COURSE, they want to disarm the American people, in order to be able to do that more than ever before.

OF COURSE, any Americans who understand that are going to try to resist, and they should resist, EXCEPT, nothing makes any sense anymore, after science and technology make human beings become literally billions and trillions of times more powerful. There is NOTHING SANE which actually can be done to resist the already established runaway social insanity situations. There is NOTHING LEFT within those established systems which can fix them. Furthermore, there is nothing sane which could be done outside of those systems either!!!

The established systems are going to FORCE more people to try to resist the runaway FRAUDS. However, there is no saner system which could possibly be agreed to by enough people to be able to replace the runaway insanities with something that might work better instead! We are inside of a sophisticated social slavery system, where the slave masters are going to keep on pushing that to get worse and worse, as far as they can possibly push that. They are NOT going to give anybody else a chance to change towards anything else which theoretically makes more actual sense! We are STUCK inside a spiral of increasing social insanities, automatically getting worse, faster ...

We ALREADY are inside of a global system of electronic fiat money frauds, backed by the force of atomic bombs. The USA already has an abundance of weapons of mass destruction, which actually make ALL the other conventional weapons relatively trivial by comparison. All the hundreds of millions of chemically powered weapons, with their countless billions of ammunition stockpiles, are STILL RELATIVELY NOTHING COMPARED TO THE ALREADY EXISTING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

We are terminally stuck inside of a runaway social insanity, with no known boundaries yet on the horizon. The entire history of War Kings and Fraud Kings built what exists today, which is inherently going to continue to double down, and try to back up their constantly bigger legalized lies, with more legalized violence. That spiral of social insanity has no end in sight ... there is nothing on the horizon of history which could provide us with anything saner, as an alternative social system.

The established social systems are ALREADY PSYCHOTIC, and they must necessarily drive themselves onwards, towards their overwhelming psychotic breakdowns. They are NOT going to give anybody else an opportunity to actually opt out of that! However, almost all "resistance" is simply going to end up being another part of that overall pyschotic breakdown of those social systems.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO IMAGINE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION OR THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR HAPPENING IF THERE WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BACK THEN!

THERE IN NOTHING APPARENT ON THE HORIZON OF HISTORY THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH ANY APPLICABLE CONCEPTS FOR HOW TO CONDUCT A SANE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION OR SECOND AMERICAN CIVIL WAR.

Of course, I have been attempting to dream up ideas that might work in that context for several decades, but, obviously, way, way, way too few other people are even remotely close to thinking about those deeper issues, much less agreeing upon any system of solutions to these kinds of problems. The deeper evolutionary dilemma that we face is the basic nature of the human experiment, making stupid little monkeys become billions and trillions of times more powerful, but otherwise just as much the same stupid little monkeys as we always were before!

The real human ecology is a vast horde of Zombie Sheeple, who will keep on being fleeced worse and worse, and then slaughtered, worse and worse, by much smaller groups of the Vicious Wolve People. That system has been evolving for thousands of years, and has recently been amplified to astronomically increased sizes, which have made that entire system TOTALLY INSANE. However, the FACT that that system is insane is practically irrelevant. It WILL continue to manifest its social habits, by even greater frauds, backed by even more force. As that happens, more and more people will be driven to the situation where they are belatedly waking up, and required to try to belately resist, because they will be given no other choice, since they will be at bay, and no quarter nor mercy will be shown.

However, there will STILL be no sane way to accomplish the social purposes which still need to be accomplished. There will be no saner set of solutions emerging, but rather, only more of the psychotic breakdowns, and everything we do to "resist" (which we will be forced to attempt) shall only precipitate more crises, that provoke even more collapses into chaos.

Of course, in theory, there are still laws of nature, and therefore, still some more realistic solutions based on the true situations. However, those are so, so, so far away from the already established systems run by the established elites, and their controlled opposItion, that such basic social truths, based on radical scientific realities, will continue to be almost totally irrelevant to what actually happens, which will simply be even MORE FRAUDS, BACKED BY MORE FORCE, NECESSARILY GOING THROUGH PSYCHOTIC BREAKDOWNS!

Another more recently posted article,

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-16/james-howard-kunstler-dangers-a...

about a audio recording with James Howard Kunstler about the The Dangers Of The Age Of Delusion, SCRATCHED THE SURFACE of our real situation with quotes like these:

History is very peculiar in the sense that sometimes cultures and societies go through very strange periods of their history, and we’re in one of those now. And I characterize this as the “great period of America lying to itself.” And the way that it’s really carried out as a practical matter is that accounting fraud is now the basic mechanism for running most of the important things in American life. Accounting fraud is now the basis for banking and finance, and it’s certainly the basis for government, and certainly for its fiscal role.

 ... inability of the country to construct a coherent story about what’s happening to us, and therefore the inability to construct a story about what we might do about it. ... THE MORE DISTRESSED SOCIETY BECOMES, THE MORE DELUSIONAL IT GETS! ...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 05:33 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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HENRY V, Act 4, Scene 3

Henry V's speech before the Battle of Agincourt

...he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
....

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 17:08 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Julius Caesar Act 5 Scene 1

If we do meet again, why, we shall smile;
If not, why then this parting was well made. 

O! that a man might know
The end of this day's business, ere it come;
But it sufficeth that the day will end,
And then the end is known.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 17:17 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Rise like lions after slumber

In unvanquishable number

Shake your chains to earth, like dew

Which in sleep had fall'n on you

Ye are many-they are few.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Time warps back to Shakespeare does NOT address the point which I made, that the weapons became billions, then trillions of times more powerful, during the life time of those still alive today, and the weapons are headed towards becoming quadrillions of times more powerful, in the foreseeable future ... with no end in sight, as long as science and technologies continue to advance as they have been ...

There is NOTHING in human history to compare that to.

The ONLY thing that even roughly compares to atomic energy was the development of photosynthesis ... Similar comparisons could be made for the ways that genetic engineering and nanotechnology have the potential to be weaponized. Even more awesome, are the ways that computer/machine entities, like the currently runaway drone technology, have real potential to manifest the classic science fiction nightmare scenario of those evolving to become independent of old fashioned humanity.

I would certainly have the "stomach to fight" IF there was any sane fighting to be done. The problem, which was the POINT of my comment above, is that there is no longer any possible ways to engage in "sane" fights. We are stuck watching runaway social insanities automatically get worse, while there is nothing that appears actually possible be done about that, which make enough real sense, since no sane debate of how to go through paradigm shifting militarism, to have a better murder system, is even remotely possible at present.

The ONLY possible future seems the runaway development of more frauds, backed by more force, becoming more and more insane ... while any attempts at effectively resisting that may only provoke precipitations into chaos, that will eventually happen anyway. Therefore, I am not against resisting sooner, rather than later, and certainly believe we will eventually be backed into corners, and put worse at bay, with no other choices left. However, there is NO group that I am aware of that I could join which provides any better theories about what to do, as a viable strategy to resist, or win any "revolution" since postmodernizing wars are completely INSANE!

In my opinion, all of the alternative suggested solutions in this article above will eventually fail, and therefore, the psychotic breakdowns must finally happen ... however, there will be nothing better come out of that ...

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:05 | Link to Comment mumcard
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If they used even tactical nukes then there would be millions more supporting us. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment samsara
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Molon Labe

 

Get your t-shirt today
http://tinyurl.com/ael67s5

 

 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Kingkongballs827
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PVC Assault Weapons Burial Tube. Bury your guns now before its too late! Nitrogen Sealed

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160973339240?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:00 | Link to Comment mendolover
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Great idea but who wants to pay $250 for a plastic tube?  Home Depot bitchez!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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He has posted this to the ire of the others here for weeks......keep doing so. It will not be bought. I admire your entrepreneurial spirit.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 02:13 | Link to Comment laughing_swordfish
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It's time to move past the sterile debates about "gun control"..

It's time to form revolutionary cells, each independent and controlling its own actions (prevents the Centralized Beast from breaking us).

In addition to reading about individual freedom and the 2nd Amendment, we need to study successful revolutionaries such as Mao, Lenin, and Castro.

The "other side" has much to teach us about revolutionary organization, winning the support of the local population, and using the abuses of TPTB to win ever more converts to our side.

What the oligarchs and their paid stooges in the House and Senate (and many state legislatures) trluy fear are independent, small cells of dedicated citizens bent on seeking a rough but final justice.

Herewith a few examples of things that independent cells can do:

1) Finger any local oligarchs (i.e the biggest landowner in the area, the most powerful local banker, the local paid elected stooge) for assassination, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES;

2) Similarly target local federal officials, particularly those in the BLM (exercises much control over available land, especially in the West), FBI, DEA, and ATF. None of those who serve the Beast are patriots - they have sold themselves out and turned turncoat against their fellow citizens;

3) Persuade citizens suffering from terminal illnesses, in exchange for cash support of their families, to become SUICIDE BOMBERS at rallies organized by TPTB for the local bought politicians and other fellow travelers;

Let a hundred Syrias bloom in these United States...

 

 

 

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:50 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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To  answer your opening question, No.

Americans that believe in Constitutional standards as Law of the land have been declaired "Enemy of the state" back in 2009 DHS / MO. joint brief called the MIAC Report.

This report criminalized 80% of Americans due to their Constitutional belief system. Libartarians, gun owners, Ron Paul supporters and basically free thinkers that voice their opinion outside the relentles drone of Coprporatised, now confirmed Government ran propaganda machine designed to give you your opinion, releive you of your critical thinking skills as to shape Americans mind set of one topic or another.

They are NOT legally bound or beholden to report the truth anymore, they were officially relieved of that task in the beginning of December (coincedentally) when a Bill was passed allowing the Govt. to propagandise the MSM's and relieved any duty or liability from said news outlets to report the truth. Revolution is inevitable at this point IMHO because they have removed mechanisms that would give a peaceful solution a chance.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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THEY can finger print me every day if THEY want and take my name and address and a picture and know my favorite color. It's the day THEY come to get my guns THEY have to worry about. Information does not stop me from defending my freedom.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:43 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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yes it does. The purpose for repeated finger-printing is to ensure that you are cut off from food, land & jobs the instant you suggest anything, like gun ownership protection, because that biometric ID will soon be tied to your participation in everything.

You'll have to live 100% off grid including loading all your own ammo and MAKING your own guns to escape it - or leave the country. That's what's coming.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:55 | Link to Comment mendolover
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Money 4 Nothing
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This is what everyone needs to know and quickly.

Subject: HR 5736 amendment

Published on Jan 29, 2013
Last week, the House passed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that would repeal the Smith-Mundt Act: a 1948 law that prevents the U.S. government from distributing propaganda at home. Alyona discusses the proposed provision with Michael Hastings, who broke the story. What is the significance of the amendment when the line between propaganda, and public relations has become increasingly blurred?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKEdi...

BBG Announces New Strategic Plan Is to repeal the ban on domestic dissemination of BBG programs contained in the 1948 Smith-Mundt Act.
http://www.bbg.gov/press-release/bbg-...

Amendment lifted and inserted into 2013 defense bill originating from HR-5736. No more independant news networks, all news becomes pre approved, pre packaged then diseminated to MSM's for public release. All news networks to be rolled into one communication hub.

And this is what everyone better get their mind wrapped around..

This link below is from CT department of emergency management DHS/FEMA drill schedule. Click on December 14, 2012

and read. 

http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/calendar.asp?mm=12&yyyy=2012&calendar_ID=0&showTop=True&image1.x=16&image1.y=8

 

This link below is the template used of how to plan for a school shooting scenario through DHS/FEMA white paper. Do not distribute but read very carefully and you will see the paralells between role play and reality.

 

http://pottawattamie.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/document1.pdf

 

Crisis Actors hired for National emergency drills. "Helping schools and first responders create realistic drills, full-scale exercises, high-fidelity simulations, and interactive 3D films"

Link > http://crisisactors.org/

"We live in an era when truth is treason"

 

 

 

Oooppss! Spilled the beans.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrOP_Hd6GY

 

http://www.ctnow.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-newtown-choir-controversy-20130207,0,7610328.story

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:56 | Link to Comment nah
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the government will protect wallmart

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you dont need guns

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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I find many of the comments here to be based on a false debate.

Gun rights guarantee freedom

vs.

Freedom is not guaranteed by gun rights.

Of course, gun rights in the absence of other rights are no guarantee of freedom.

Gun rights were not meant to be the sole guarantee of freedom. They were meant in the Bill of Rights to act in combination with other rights (habeas corpus, prohibitions against torture, freedom of speech and assembly, etc.). The rights were also meant to work in conjunction with other Constitutional limitations on government power.

Having eviscerated the protections of other rights, the protection of gun rights has also been eviscerated.

Having allowed the establishment of a standing militarized police army, the authorization for unchecked executive power including assassination , a huge prison industry, an intrusive DHS-NSA surveillance operation, intrusive Prohibition legislation for victimless crimes, and so on … the power of an armed citizenry has been enfeebled.

Manning the barricades to defend the right to own a gun hardly seems an inspiring cause,

UNLESS it is connected to other rights which form the basis for a freedom worth defending.

Unfortunately, having failed to vigorously defend against abridgements to other rights, any vigorous defense of gun rights now may seem belated, insincere, and myopic.

Thus, the call to draw any “line in the sand” is pointless

if it is merely a call not to surrender gun rights.

Only if it is a call to RESTORE ALL RIGHTS, beginning here, can it be a cause worthwhile.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment gnomon
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The Second Amendment must be defended at all costs in order to ever have a hope of restoring our other now diminished rights.  As has been pointed out, upholding the Second Amendment is uniquely suited for serving as the last redoubt from which we can recover our other rights.  Violence must be exercised by the State to tear down that redoubt which then catalyzes and intensifies the overall conflict.  

What had been a slow strangling largely out of view of the not-so-informed public becomes highly visible and polarizing, bringing things to a head.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:36 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Simply put: to lose the right to be armed & to defend one's self, family & community IS A GUARANTEE of the loss of freedom & rights.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment sagelike
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The premise of this post is utter nonsense. 

The writer doesn't have to offer any proof because in countries like the UK and Australia, it just hasn't happened yet but give it time. Let's not forget about Canada and the rest of Europe. 

THe irony of course is that the threat to tdemocacy comes mostly from the right and it seems to me that the US is most at risk. 

The Republicans seem quite intent to manipulate the voting system and right wing wing nuts will be quite content with the illusion of democracy while they shine their rifles.

It's like Goethe said: 'none are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.'

An apt description for a republican or a Tyler Durden if I ever heard one.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment gnomon
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We are not and never have been a democracy as configured in Canada, Europe, Australia, et al.  We are a democratic republic.  And up until the last ten years those democracies overseas and to the north had liberties that were much more truncated and capable of being altered at will than ours were.  Unfortunately, we are descending to their level, largely due to our war on terror and the subsequent leftist push to become like those Social Democracies.  Obummer and the leftists have doublied down on expanding  those pernicious practices began under Bush.  But our Constitution as instituted should not allow such infringements on liberty to happen.   "Packing" the Supreme Court with leftists allies and/or one skirting Congress with Executive Orders is and will be the favored means to render null and void our Constitution.

If you are not aghast at some of the nanny state restrictions on self-defense imposed upon the citizenry of those Social Democracies, then you have simply lost your instinct for survival in the modern world.

The threat to the Republic is now coming from a leftist President and and a leftist Senate and some RINOs in both Houses.  To say otherwise is to be purblind to the stark realities. 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment Gyoza Mimi
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Said, isn't it? Rebelious articles, altought devoid of meaning and sense, bring thousands of eyeballs of marvelling pre-MBA hopefuls and hopeless failed CFAs that are turned into solid advertising revenue. It's a shame that ZH turned to that type of fund raising.

 

Paraphrasing Goethe, 'none are so hopelessly foolish as those who falsely believe they are the only one who know the truth.'

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 05:40 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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Paraphrazing a toddler "you are a dummy."

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 02:15 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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http://youtu.be/nUmKT43j4Tc

all the proof one needs.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment wchild
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Good Article

Enemies, Foreign and Domestic

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/02/enemies-foreign-and-domestic.html

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle --  Sun Tzu, The Art of War

Jack Mullen
Activist Post

America is facing two wars, both instigated by a foreign nation with foreign interests; wars to be fought here on American soil with Tyranny and Liberty in the balance.

At this very moment Americans are secretly being herded, manipulated, divided and gulled into a civil war; a weakening, disarming, demoralizing, devastating, but still dispensable civil war. Then, without relief, the second, and most brutal, war will begin; a war to determine the future of the world for generations to come.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment akarc
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"I’m sorry, but all existing forums of redress are corrupted beyond remedy."

The ability to seek redress against the worngs of the government/corporate alliance has and continues to exist.  It was alluded to in a previous post by another commenter. Individaul acts against individual perpetrators.  Hit and run tactics.  Those are the tactics that strike fear into the hearts of the enemy if conducted for a long enough time frame.

That they are not happeningn ow speaks volumes.

Placing trust in organiztions such as "Oath Keepers" is folly.  Google an organization known as "U.S. Defenders" then google who started the organization.  I know U.S. Defenders who are not aware of that little contradiction.

During my affiliation with one faux patriotic organization we constantly ran up against LEO obstruction.  I was able, through constant badgering of the press, to bring about a sit down between the Organzations leader and Cheif of Police.

The press asked the leader about my allegations. Hes response, "Although rc's allegations are factually correct, they do not necessarily reflect the views of the organization?"

When the allegations were exact views previously verbalized by the leaders of the organization???

While affiliated w/ another faux patriotic organization I publicly took on a bank. The organization went nutso. You can't do that, people won't support us.

So when I read the volumes of comments here about what should or should not be done I see it as whisling in the graveyard after dark.  how many here actually go out into the streets and "engage"?

Intellecual masterbation is a fine past time. But whensomeone is kicking in your door it's time to kick ass.

 

 

 


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 18:57 | Link to Comment akarc
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"I’m sorry, but all existing forums of redress are corrupted beyond remedy."

The ability to seek redress against the wrongs of the government/corporate alliance has and continues to exist.  It was alluded to in a previous post by another commenter. Individaul acts against individual perpetrators.  Hit and run tactics.  Those are the tactics that strike fear into the hearts of the enemy if conducted for a long enough time frame.

That they are not happening now speaks volumes.

Placing trust in organiztions such as "Oath Keepers" is folly.  Google an organization known as "U.S. Defenders" then google who started the organization.  I know U.S. Defenders who are not aware of that little contradiction.

During my affiliation with one faux patriotic organization we constantly ran up against LEO obstruction.  I was able, through constant badgering of the press, to bring about a sit down between the Organzations leader and Cheif of Police.

The press asked the leader about my allegations. Hes response, "Although rc's allegations are factually correct, they do not necessarily reflect the views of the organization?"

When the allegations were exact views previously verbalized by the leaders of the organization???

While affiliated w/ another faux patriotic organization I publicly took on a bank. The organization went nutso. You can't do that, people won't support us.

So when I read the volumes of comments here about what should or should not be done I see it as whistling in the graveyard after dark.  How many here actually go out into the streets and "engage"?

Intellecual masterbation is a fine past time. But when someone is kicking in your door it's time to kick ass.

respectfully

aka rc

http://www.bigbendbikersforfreedom.com/

 

 


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 19:20 | Link to Comment sfisher
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State and Federal Government are proposing outrageous gun control laws that so clearly violate the inalienable rights of the citizens, declared as such in the constitution.  While this is only one encroachment/evisceration of the constitution, it is one that may actually awaken the sleeping giant.

Successful pushback on these issues could start people thinking about where else our government is not working in our interests, and perhaps some good can ultimately come out of this.   

 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Gyoza Mimi
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What is the best way to cause an erection amongst the "below-50 IQ" club members? Create a short article using the words like "government tyranny", "inevitable genocide", "freedoms", "liberties", "socialistic monstrosity".

Some of those articles are created by entities that are financed by fear - NRA is a good example. Others are written by sheer retards with lacking knowledge of history and simpleton's understanding of social dynamics. This article seem to be part of a later camp.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.

brandon - i love and adore you and your golden words!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 05:37 | Link to Comment Bloodstock
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WE WILL NOT COMPLY!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Herkimer Jerkimer
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Bravo!

 

I've been waiting for someone with more voice, to start the discussion, of what is going to happen when the gun-grabbers just don't stop.

While not outwardly calling for revolution and still hoping for a peaceful settlement on this issue, I think at some point, now, we should begin to have the discussion such that we should at least begin to think about when we should think about the time we take up a far more serious form of resistance against government, what that would entail and the steps required.

I do hope that this is settled out, peacefully, or it will end in a very un-civil war because we're not talking about smoking, or large pop drinks, we're talking about a sentiment that is buried in the culture of America, what it means to be American and when you start changing things at that deep a level, you are changing the very notion of America itself.

 

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