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Is This Where The Secret JP Morgan London Gold Vault Is Located?

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In a world defined by "financial innovation", where $1 of hard collateral can spawn over $1000 in repoed and rehypothecated liabilities (and assets), where "shadow banking" is far more important than traditional bank liabilities (and to this date remains completely misunderstood), and where every month the central and commercial banks force create over $100 billion in credit money (which end consumers refuse to absorb and which therefore ends up in the stock market), the concept of a "hard asset" is an increasingly redundant anachronism. Yet while the Federal Reserve has emerged as the bastion of the New Normal's financial innovation front in which the concept of money is backed by absolutely nothing other than the Dollar's increasingly fleeting reserve status, when it comes to the definition of "Old Normal" money - gold - it still is the domain of the first and original central bank: London.

At first blush, most would not associate London with the hard asset mecca of the world: in fact, when it comes to some of the most spectacular hyper-levered "New Normal" cataclysms in recent years: AIG, Lehman, MF Global, JPMorgan's London Whale, all of them originated in London. Yet for the most part these events occurred precisely because of the mindboggling leverage already employed by the London financial system. Recall that the UK has some 600% in financial debt/GDP - an unprecedented amount compared to any other developed world nation. Yet, paradoxically, the fact that there is so much financial leverage implies that there must be an abundance of hard assets at the bottom of the London Exter Pyramid. After all, financial counterparties, especially in this day and age, may be insolvent but they are not idiots, and all will demand at least some paper representation that there is a trace of hard collateral at the bottom of the latest financial Frankenstein CDO, SPV, CLO, CPDO, RMBS or [insert any other modern financial "asset" acronym]. And keep in mind we are talking private sector gold: Gordon Brown's epic blunder of dumping the sovereign UK gold at rock bottom prices hardly needs a mention.

Which is why in order to spawn such a gargantuan amount of financial debt, London, which for centuries was the financial capital of the world and which sequestered the bulk of the world's real, tangible wealth until the ascendancy of the US in the 20th century, London's commercial vaults, are literally full of gold (as much as it may pale in comparison with the total notional amount of liabilities it has created).

After all it is the London Bullion Market Association. Not New York, Zurich or Singapore.

Why is London such an integral part of the gold financial world? We'll let none other than JPMorgan explain:

The characteristics of the London market uniquely support the use of gold as collateral by ensuring:

  • Quality and liquidity: “London Good Delivery” sets the standard for gold quality. Rigorous specifications as to size and purity ensure that each London ood Delivery gold bar meets pre-set standards with little to no variation between one bar and the next. This consistency ensures that counterparties will receive gold of an expected quality (99.5% fine), which allows the metal to be easily transferred between members of the London Bullion Market. Ultimately, this facilitates trading and market liquidity—both desirable attributes for collateral.
  • Flexibility: The London gold market uses both unallocated and allocated gold. In layman’s terms, allocated gold specifically identifies each gold bar with a specific owner. Allocated gold is essentially held in separate accounts; it cannot be pooled with gold from others to satisfy obligations. In contrast, unallocated gold is held in a general pool by the bullion dealer and the customer has a general entitlement to the metal, but not to a specific gold bar. The LMBA states that unallocated gold “is the most convenient, cheapest and most commonly used method of holding the metal.”

    In practical terms, unallocated gold is comparable to putting dollars, pounds or euros into the bank. Once deposited, the money becomes fungible—you can withdraw the same amount of money you put in, but you will not receive back the same exact bills that you deposited. The use of unallocated gold allows for amounts smaller than a gold bar to be used as collateral between counterparties—a significant benefit to a collateral program given that a London Good Delivery bar weighs 438.9 ounces, and gold is currently trading for over US$1,700 per ounce.

  • Transparency: Readily available price information promotes market transparency and aids in daily mark-to-market and margin calculations. Gold is priced by the market twice daily (morning and afternoon) and widely reported by both the financial press and data vendors. Use of a predictable daily price fix point allows counterparties to mitigate their daily exposure and set haircuts to manage ongoing price fluctuations. The afternoon U.S. Dollar London old Fix is viewed by market participants as the appropriate way to mark gold given daily price fluctuations and increasing values.
  • Ease of transfer: The London Bullion Market clears daily using paper transfers that evidence the unallocated gold held between members. This allows them to simply and efficiently settle mutual trades and transfers to/from third parties while mitigating the costs and risks associated with physical movement of bullion. The use of paper transfers and unallocated gold facilitate easy transfers between counterparties when needed.

And speaking of JP Morgan, incidentally the subject of this post, what do we know about their London-based gold vault services? Once again, in their words:

J.P. Morgan recently integrated its gold vaulting service in London with its tri-party collateral agency service.

  • J.P. Morgan operates one of the two largest commercial gold vaults in London (one of only six in the City) and is a member of the London gold clearing system.
  • J.P. Morgan is also one of the few truly global providers of collateral management services. As collateral agent, J.P. Morgan works with two parties that have an established collateralized lending or financing arrangement.

Who is the other largest commercial gold vault in London? Why HSBC of course: the bank which has recently been embroiled in virtually every scandal involving global money laundering, also happens to be the custodian for such massive (supposedly) physical gold repositories as those of the SPDR Gold GLD ETF. The HSBC gold vault is also known as "Gold's secret hiding place" as CNBC penned it, when Bob Pisani was allowed to take a look deep inside the vault's bowels but only after he was theatrically blindfolded (a visit which we commented on at the time).

Yet Pisani's blindfold, while theatrical, was premeditated: the number of people who know where the HSBC vault is located is a handful, because the last thing commercial gold vaults, and certainly their customers, would want to deal with is a Simon Gruber-type Die Hard 2-style goldjacking.

Amusingly it was none other than the Bundesbank who in November invoked the ghost of the fictional New York Fed gold heist when a member of its executive board told NY Fed's Bill Dudley that  "you can be assured that we are confident that our gold is in safe hands with you. The days in which Hollywood Germans such as Gerd Fröbe, better known as Goldfinger, and East German terrorist Simon Gruber, masterminded gold heists in US vaults are long gone. Nobody can seriously imagine scenarios like these, which are reminiscent of a James Bond movie with Goldfinger playing the role of a US Fed accounting clerk." This happened two months before the Bundesbank diametrically (and embarrassingly) flip-flopped and decided to, all pinky swears to the contrary, begin repatriating its gold from the New York Fed (and Paris) after all. But not London (at least not yet). It also perhaps means that the days of Simon Gruber may not be "long gone", especially if the whereabouts of vaults containing billions worth of gold bullion were known to the public.

And just like the SPDR would want nothing less than to have the address of the HSBC gold vault made public (the same goes for HSBC of course), so those other ETF providers who use JPM's London gold vault as a custodian, such as Blackrock's iShares IAU ETF, or ETF Securities, would want nothing less than to have the location of JPM's vault exposed.

Needless to say, the actual addresses of "LBMA Vault" provided by the LBMA in its Annex 2 for "The Good Delivery Rules for Gold and Silver Bars" lists the headquarters office of the vaulting firm, and certainly not the actual address, because it would have been somewhat disingenuous to blindfold Pisani just to deliver him toe 8 Canada Square, or the HSBC head office in London, the address provided by the LBMA as vaulting address of HSBC. And certainly the address given for the JPM vault at 125 London Wall, aka Alban Gate, which was the firm's headquarters until its move to 25 Bank Street in 2012, is the last place even one bar of gold would be found.

Which is why we were quite stunned to find, in the deep recesses of the internet (and hosted by the Indonesian stock exchange of all place), a trade ticket from May 26, 2011, issued by the Perth Mint of Australia to Avocet Gold Mining (a West African gold miner), in which the Mint confirms its purchase of 2,126 ounces of gold at a price of $1,526 for a total transaction price of $3.246 million.

What is notable about the trade ticket is the additional information provided for the account clearer, in this case, none other than JPMorgan Chase Bank NA, London, as well as the number of the Gold Account held by said clearer: "No. 01380" but what is by far the most interesting, is that the actual physical address of the JPMorgan facility is provided: 60 Victoria Embankment, London.

Ladies and gentlemen: we may just have uncovered the actual location of the ultra-secretive JPMorgan gold vault in the city of London.

Where is 60 Victoria Embankment, London? See below:

The building's southern/river face is the glorious facade of the City of London School which occupied this location from 1879 until 1986 (and which is currently situated just east of here along the Blackfriars Underpass, next to the Millennium Bridge).

As the map above shows, it is a rather sizable building, located just off the Thames river and steps away from the Blackfriars Bridge, whose official designation until recently was Morgan Guaranty Trust Company of New York, Ltd, a remnant from the firm's merger with Guaranty Trust Company in 1959 (recall that JPM was called Morgan Guaranty Trust until 1989).

A cursory media search about the otherwise very nondescript looking building at 60 Victoria reveals that it had been fully leased by JP Morgan as long ago as 1991. What is more interesting, is that the property had previously been bundled as part of a high-profile commercial mortgage-backed securities, or CMBS, deal called White Tower 2006-3. The deal consolidated properties formerly owned by one-time London real estate mogul, Simon Halabi, one of the financial crisis most notable falls from Grace, who had an estimated net worth of $4.3 billion in 2007, and in April 2010 was declared bankrupt, and whose current whereabouts have since been unknown.

White Tower 2006-3, most infamous for being the first CMBS deal to be placed in liquidation after the start of the currency crisis, held a variety of properties near and dear to JPMorgan's heart, first and foremost 60 Victoria Embankment, the 420,000 sq ft of office buildings fully let to JP Morgan Chase; but notably Alban Gate, the 382,000 sq ft office property located on London Wall in the heart of the City and fully let to JP Morgan Chase. The latter also was JPM's UK headquarters until last year.

What happened next is interesting: in July 2010 Carlyle bought the bulk of the "White Tower" asset portfolio from the defunct CMBS, paying some £173 million for the 60 Victoria Embankment location. Three very short months later, none other than long-time 60 Victoria resident JPMorgan bought the very same building from Carlyle for a whopping £350 million: a transaction which doubled Carlyle's money in an unprecedented three months! At the time the now former CEO of JPM's investment bank Jes Staley (and who currently works for BlueMountain - the same fund that made a killing by squeezing none other than JPMorgan's London Whale traders), said, "These properties are long-term investments and represent our continued commitment to London as one of the world's most important financial centres." Frank Bisignano, chief administrative officer, added: "These properties are among the most attractive pieces of real estate in London. These buildings ensure that our employees will have the necessary technology, infrastructure and amenities to take our businesses forward." Curiously, JPM showed zero love for its Alban Gate location, which it promptly departed to go to its new Canary Wharf HQ, and Carlyle was forced to pull the sale of this property a year later as it did not get enough satisfactory bids.

A pressing question remains: why did JPM, a long-time tenant of 60 Victoria not submit its own bid for the location it knew it would end up purchasing outright in a few months from Carlyle anyway? Why overpay by £177 million in exchange for merely having one more middleman do a three-month transaction? We hope to find out.

Yet what is very clear is that there was something of far greater value to JPM at the 60 Victoria location than at its old headquarters.

What that "thing" may be, and what is the missing puzzle piece in this story, comes from a very peculiar article written nearly four years ago in an Abu Dhabi/Arab Emirates website titled TheNational, titled "Mystery gold cargo linked to Saad, Gosaibi feud", which described just that - the fate of a series of very peculiar gold shipments, the key of which once again involved the two main abovementioned players: Perth Mint and 60 Victoria Embankment.

We repost the entire story below, while highlighting the key parts:

The Qantas freighter QF71 that took off from Perth Airport on November 3 last year bound for London would not have attracted any special attention, despite the fact that it was carrying 1.2 tonnes of gold bullion, then worth about US$28 million (Dh102.8m).


Perth, in Western Australia, is home to Australia's Gold Corporation Mint, where bullion is processed and turned into standard 12.5kg bricks. From there, the ingots are shipped daily around the globe to vaults in America, Europe and Asia, evidence of the world's apparently insatiable appetite for the precious metal. But what made this shipment unusual was that it was the first of 15 such cargoes, of varying quantities and values, which over the next seven months were eventually unloaded mainly in London. Smaller amounts were also delivered to Dubai and Zurich.


The total value of the bullion exported in these operations approached $430m at current market prices, and it weighed 10.4 tonnes. The other distinguishing factor was the identity of the recipients, or "consignees" as they are known. According to documentation seen by The National, they were all companies associated with the al Gosaibi family of Saudi Arabia. The al Gosaibis have since fallen out spectacularly with their partner, Maan al Sanea of Saad Group, in the biggest corporate scandal to hit the Middle East, leaving about 120 banks worldwide with debts estimated at up to $22 billion and a decreasing likelihood of getting their money back.


In a global hunt for assets to offset their losses, the banks have looked into every corner of the Al Gosaibi trading empire and the Saad Group controlled by Mr al Sanea. A small army of lawyers, forensic accountants and corporate investigators has been hired to track down assets over which the banks believe they have claim. They have turned up property, financial investments, relatively small amounts of cash and other baubles of the wealthy, such as aircraft leases. There was even a private zoo. But the most curious discovery so far is the Gosaibi gold.


Perhaps the most remarkable fact about the shipments is that although there are detailed and specific records of them having taken place, neither party in the al Gosaibi-al Sanea confrontation seems to lay any claim to their ownership. Each side denies it was responsible for the shipments. Despite being regularly ranked among the world's billionaires, neither the family's controlling partnership, Ahmad Hamad Al Gosaibi and Brothers, nor Mr Al Sanea's Saad Group has any previous known involvement in the bullion business.


The first shipment took place just as the world appeared on the verge of financial meltdown last November. They continued until May, when the crisis in the two Saudi families exploded into the public domain after they failed to make repayments on loans associated with their banking businesses in Bahrain. The shipments reached a peak in late February and early March, just as tensions within the al Gosaibi family intensified after the death of Sulaiman, the family patriarch and chairman, on February 22.


One shipping document shows that, the following day, "a shipment of 21,500 fine ounces of large 12.5kg gold bars, minimum 99.5 per cent purity" was sent from AGR Matthey, a well known Australian bullion dealer, from Perth Airport via Singapore to London's Heathrow. From there, the bullion was moved to the vaults of Standard Bank of South Africa, located in the London offices of JPMorgan Chase at 60 Victoria Embankment, Blackfriars, London.


The shipment was marked "London good delivery", meaning it met the internationally recognised standards for bullion delivery and could be deposited alongside bullion of the same quality. The Standard Bank account in which it was deposited was in the name of Al Gosaibi Trading Services, one of the companies owned by the al Gosaibi family. But financing such a transaction - the gold was worth about $20m - is a complicated process.


The usual procedure is for the consignee to arrange a letter of credit with the supplier, which is then guaranteed by a bank. In this case, the letter of credit bears the reference number "Awal 157". Awal is the Bahraini bank owned by Mr al Sanea, but which is now in the administration of the Bahrain Central Bank. Ten of the 15 shipping documents bear the Awal reference, while the rest have reference to "TIBC", The International Banking Corporation, the al Gosaibis' Bahraini bank which is similarly in administration.


It is common practice in the trade finance business for those letters of credit to be separately financed by a third party, such as an international bank. This is what happened with the Gosaibi gold. The amounts paid for the bullion were drawn down from lending facilities with these global banks but those borrowings have not been repaid, banking sources say. International banks, so far frozen out of the settlement process in Saudi Arabia or offered derisory amounts by the feuding families, are keen to track down the location and ownership of this bullion, to seize and offset against debts owed them. While most of the bullion ended up in London, two shipments went to other locations.


Also on February 23, some 629kg of "London good delivery" were shipped from Perth on Singapore Airlines flight SQ226/SQ490 to Dubai International Airport. The shipment was delivered to the Brinks Global Services facilities at the Dubai Airport Free Zone, marked for the attention of: "Malcolm Clingham, for account of Al Gosaibi Trading Services Ltd." Again, the financing reference was "Awal 158". Attempts to reach Mr Clingham were unsuccessful. An employee of Brinks in Dubai said he left the company about four months ago.


The other non-London shipment took place on April 29, when 689kg of gold left Perth on Singapore Airlines flight SQ226/SQ346 to Zurich in Switzerland. The shipment was marked for delivery to: "UBS AG Zurich, for account Standard Bank PLC." Although no named consignee account was mentioned on the shipping document, the financing reference was "TIBC 438". The final shipment to arrive in London took place on May 6, when 722kg was placed on a Delta Airlines flight DL94 in Salt Lake City, Utah, in the US. This was marked for the Al Gosaibi Trading Services account at Standard Bank at the JPMorgan Chase building in London. The financing reference was "Awal 177".


So while there is plenty of evidence that the gold shipments took place, there is huge uncertainty about who initiated them, who owns the bullion, and even where the gold is now. The company named as the bullion account holder, Al Gosaibi Trading Services (ATS), is a wholly owned subsidiary of Bahrain-based Al Gosaibi Investment Holdings (AIH), based in Bahrain which is in turn owned by three family members. But the management control of ATS and AIH is in dispute.


In a legal filing in New York, John D Potter, a former general manager of Al Gosaibi Investment Holdings, declared that: "Mr al Sanea exercised complete control over the operations and activities of AIH, to the exclusion or virtual exclusion of the other directors and the shareholders." Lawyers for Mr al Sanea, the London firm of Harbottle & Lewis, declined to comment on the gold shipments. But sources close to the Kuwait-born financier have denied he was involved in the transactions.


Creditor banks, which asked to remain anonymous, have told The National that their inquiries to Standard Bank in London have not so far produced any positive indication of ownership of the bullion, or even confirmation that it is still in Standard's vaults. Through its South African head office, a spokesman for Standard Bank said: "Our executives in London are adamant they cannot comment - not even off the record - as this would be a breach of client confidentiality."


Whoever ends up owning the gold from Perth will at least have made some money out of the Saudi confrontation, which has affected the kingdom's economy and stock market, and ravaged the balance sheets of regional and international banks. The gold price has risen by nearly 50 per cent over the past year. The shipment last November, worth some $28m when QF71 took off from Perth, is now valued at $42m - wherever it might be.

Courtesy of TheNational, we now know that one of the key features of the building at 60 Victoria is that it houses at least the vault of the Standard Bank of South Africa: in other words, somewhere deep underground, there is, indeed, a major gold vault. We also know, that after leasing this location for nearly two decades, JPMorgan decided to take the plunge and bought it outright in 2010, in a transaction that as shown above was a scramble to park cash and to procure the property for sale. In other words, JPM now has sole custodial possession of all the vaulting services offered under its 60 Victoria Embankment address.

So is this where the legendary JPMorgan London vault is located? Certainly nothing short of Blythe Masters admitting on live TV that yes, this is where one of the two largest commercial gold vaults in the UK is located, and as JPM admitted previously, only one of only six commercial vaults in all of London, there will be speculation and one can't be certain.

However, a quick cursory virtual trip around this building using Google's Street View feature shows that this building, barricaded on every side by a dense forest of bollards, is as protected from outside interest (especially of the automotive kind) as any modern day fortress.

The building's entrance on John Carpenter street, just north of Victoria's embankment - bollards everywhere:

The building's reinforced back/delivery entrance: corner of Kingscote and Tudor: barriers, a reinforced gate with a screen on top of it, and even more bollards which surround the entire building and prevent the parking of any cars in proximity to the building:

And finally, not one, but two rows of bollards, cordoning off a 60 foot area in the street on both sides. South view:

And north view:

Needless to say, no car, or any other potential threat, can enter that ~60 foot space from either side.

Is that where, dozens of feet underground, the world's most secretive commercial gold vault is located? Just below what was once the main campus of the City of London School for boys.

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Update: a quick Google Street View trip around the block from the main JPM entrance to Carmelite Street, just south of Tudor Street, or here...

... reveals the following armored Brinks trucks waiting:


In front of an even more impressive looking gate:

h/t Ro

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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:29 | 3250520 Yen Cross
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 You're a Ruskie? Cunny I love you. Are you a Ruskie?

   Cunny come  Kleen?  yen still loves you.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:41 | 3250574 CunnyFunt
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I <3 YC, but he/she/it is deficient in geography.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:47 | 3250581 Yen Cross
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 Cunny you're awesome. Be well. Thanks for your honesty.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:49 | 3250588 CunnyFunt
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No, thank you YC, amigo. I'm back home and with my woman, so all is good. Baked potato and lager time ...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:56 | 3250596 Hulk
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He used to love me...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:01 | 3250603 Yen Cross
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 Give her my(your) best.  A nice Chanti, works well. A spanish desert wine works well.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:07 | 3250613 CunnyFunt
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Cheers! "somewhat nutty character" I love it! She doesn't need much encouragement ;-)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:03 | 3250649 Yen Cross
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 Cunny ,  Enjoy your evening with your significant other.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 23:55 | 3250752 TheFourthStooge-ing
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CunnyFunt said:

I <3 YC, but he/she/it is deficient in geography.

YC is not a true Scotsman. ;)

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:11 | 3250904 CunnyFunt
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+1 Stoogeie!

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:51 | 3250498 Broomer
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Wouldn't you have a saved copy of the page?

Because you posted the link and it was hammered by everyone reading the thread, it was blocked by Google.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:54 | 3250593 KingdomKum
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fucking unbelievable !   you da man  !







we few, we happy few,  we band of silver holders  .  .  . 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 02:51 | 3250891 PhilofOz
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Brilliant! I'm amazed by this site and its contributors more on every passing day.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:49 | 3251017 Troy Ounce
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"A 19m deep excavation for a complex L-shaped basement was carried out using top down construction techniques...."


And the Underground line City & Waterloo which runs next to the building directly to the Bank of England is 18 M deep. must be a coincidence?




Sun, 02/17/2013 - 11:45 | 3251192 francis_sawyer
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This is getting better all the time...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:24 | 3250466 Hulk
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Thread Hijcak: A must watch Jim Rickards interview on currency wars and several scenarios he draws up.

Absolutely stunning. 


Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:27 | 3250552 cosmictrainwreck
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thanks, Hulk - that's "as good as it gets"

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 04:48 | 3250964 saulysw
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Agreed - and interesting watch.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 06:02 | 3250994 Shell Game
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A worthy hijacking, thanks.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 07:13 | 3251023 Seer
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"The Bears" spelled it out pretty well back in this 2010 video:


Long rabbits feet!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:22 | 3251070 smacker
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Scary. Is it time to become an ostrich? ;-)

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:55 | 3250805 tip e. canoe
Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:41 | 3250483 rsnoble
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The more exposure to these criminals is the closer we are to outright collapse and WW3.  Is that good or bad? LOL.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 20:56 | 3250504 hannah
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where is pussy galore when you need her....?

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:01 | 3250509 CompassionateFascist
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I believe Pussy (that is, Honor Blackman) will soon have a page of her very own @ http://seductivejewess.com. 

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:06 | 3250517 BeansBulletsBandaids
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Wasn't it the 3rd die hard where Simon Gruber stole the gold? I thunk the second one was set at an airport or something.....

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:17 | 3250535 faustian bargain
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I liked the one where Simon Gruber takes over as headmaster of Hogwarts...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:11 | 3250525 Peter Pan
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Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:26 | 3250550 SolidSnake961
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would love to see someone try pulling an ocean's 11 on this place

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 07:18 | 3251025 Seer
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It already happened, didn't you read the article?  JPM did it! :-)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:32 | 3250558 e_goldstein
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Articles like this are why I keep reading ZH. Good work, Tyler.


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 00:56 | 3250808 tip e. canoe
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another excellent link.   interesting that the 1987 excavation is nowhere to be found in those docs.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:38 | 3250571 q99x2
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 I'm getting my metal detector and a ticket to London when the revolution against banksters starts. Thanks for the map.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 07:20 | 3251026 Seer
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Just be sure to set that detector to "Gold" and not "Tungsten!"

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:44 | 3250578 Yen Cross
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 Tyler . respectfully. Can the forum have a ( GMT real time widget) ? Your posts are beautiful. sometimes +7 on your posts makes me silly.   Z/H should be GMT.   ( Z/H is global and we all know it)

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:49 | 3250587 Charles Nelson ...
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So when do we get Jaime Dimon's mistresses address?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 10:52 | 3251141 francis_sawyer
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I'd suspect they were one in the same...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 21:55 | 3250597 CalibratedConfidence
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killed it.  great report

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:04 | 3250606 earleflorida
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Bravo... Tyler!!!



Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:05 | 3250612 amanfromMars
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I have a question. Well, a couple of questions, actually, which may probably cause a few more to be asked.

If one deposits/purchases a weight of gold …. and is furnished with a paper value note/fiat currency advice note for that gold, and let us imagine a holding deposited/purchased a number of decades ago, does one today, on redemption of that furnished invoice, receive the original weight of gold or just a fraction of that gold to the fiat currency paper value on the original invoice.

Should the latter be the case, is the vault full of gold which has no owners, although with possession being nine-tenths of the law*, is someone doing very nicely, thank you very much, for practically/virtually nothing.

And if one were to purchase gold today, because of the seriously inflated price of the bubbling commodity, a correspondingly much smaller/lighter weight of gold, and receive a paper value note/fiat currency advice note for that vaulted gold in a deposit, does the reverse happen on a crashing of the gold price, with one receiving a greater weight of gold to the value of the original fiat currency invoice should one wish to take possession? 

* ... "Possession is nine-tenths of the law is an expression meaning that ownership is easier to maintain if one has possession of something, and much more difficult to enforce if one does not. The expression is also stated as "possession is nine points of the law", which is credited as derived from the Scottish expression "possession is eleven points in the law, and they say there are but twelve"" ….. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:15 | 3250628 Kingkongballs827
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PVC Assault Weapons Burial Tube. Bury your guns now before its too late! Nitrogen Sealed



Sun, 02/17/2013 - 03:51 | 3250935 aaxiom
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If you're referring to a depository (and while I hate depositories, I encourage the use of private ones only these days), you typically deposit ounces and receive ounces in kind. If your holdings are segregated, you have title to specific serial numbers and specie. These services cost money on some periodic basis and those fees are determined by the average market value over the specified period.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 09:26 | 3251074 francis_sawyer
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Once again... paper upon paper upon accounting ledger entries upon accounting ledger entries...


I'm not saying the following will happen, but at the end of the day, whoever HOLDS the shit can just burn all the records, & melt the shit down & recast it as a giant dildo if they're so inclined...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:30 | 3250641 jonjon831983
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Um... intriguing...

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:34 | 3250650 constantine
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I almost forgot about the tour of the GLD vault.  It was so nice of Bob Pisani to give us a tour of that space that Evelyn De Rothschild cleared out of his winecellar.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:40 | 3250659 Broomer
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Quote from the article:



“London Good Delivery” sets the standard for gold (...) of an expected quality (99.5% fine)

That's relatively impure. More like a lot (1 part in 200).
I could think of only two reasons for this:


  1. the standard is old. Better purity would add too much to the cost in the old days, and to rectify this nowadays, the bars would have to be recast at a high cost.
  2. <tinfoilhat> Such an amount of impurity would allow the bars to be easily tracked. You would add controlled amounts of trace metals to mark the origin of the bar. This would allow tracking of the bar even if it was recast. </tinfoilhat>

It's paranoia of course, but only the paranoids survive and my tinfoil hat seldom disappoints me.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 01:06 | 3250821 DoChenRollingBearing
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Your Number Two idea is very good.

But, you could do that as well at .999 fine.

Sat, 02/16/2013 - 22:41 | 3250660 Northeaster
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So doesn't this receipt show that J.P. Morgan does in fact have a physical position in PM's? If this was that long ago, and continued over time (speculating here), then they could in fact control/influence the market. This of course would blow holes in all those paper/Blythe "manipulation" theories/conspiracies no?

I don't know one way or the other, but if this is legit, then they do in fact have physical holdings, which sinks the conspiracy arguments of not having any or being "short" just in paper.


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