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Who Is The Most Active User Of Drones Over The United States?

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At this point everyone in the world knows what a drone is: some have been bombarded by one, others, thousands of miles away, have done the bombardment, and everyone else is split whether or not this remote-controlled form of international retribution and global Pax Americna should be allowed over the territory of the US - either for purely peaceful, or outright military, as was the case with the Chris Dorner manhunt, purposes.  And as with most issues that polarize US society, the approach is one of form opinion first, and investigate the underlying facts later.

To that end on Friday, the Government Accountability Office, or GAO, issued testimony on Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS, or also Drones), titled "Continued Coordination, Operational Data, and Performance Standards Needed to Guide Research and Development" which while full of largely useless information, does have an informative section detailing which entities received Certificates of Waiver or Authorization (COA) or said otherwise "permissions to drone" for a period , from the FAA, which is the ultimate authority granting UAS flyovers in the US. Among the agencies seeking and being granted such permissions are all domestic military; public (academic institutions, federal, state, and local governments including law enforcement organizations); and civil (private sector entities).

So which entity engaged most actively in US-based droning in 2012? It will come as no surprise that of the 391 COAs issued in the past year, the Department of Defense accounted for 201 or, well over half of all authorized droning operations. One can rest assured that America is truly well defended, if mostly from enemies domestic.

The GAO's take on this:

Currently, FAA authorizes all domestic military; public (academic institutions, federal, state, and local governments including law enforcement organizations); and civil (private sector entities) UAS operations on a limited basis after conducting a case-by-case safety review. Federal, state, and local government agencies must apply for Certificates of Waiver or Authorization (COA), while civil operators must apply for special airworthiness certificates in the experimental category. Because special airworthiness certificates do not allow commercial operations, there is currently no means for FAA to authorize commercial UAS operations.


Since FAA started issuing COAs in January 2007, 1,428 COAs have been issued. At present, under COA or special airworthiness certification, UAS operations are permitted for specific time frames (generally 12 to 24 months); locations; and operations. So, one agency can be issued multiple COAs to operate one UAS for the same purpose. In 2012, FAA issued 391 COAs to 121 federal, state, and local government entities across the United States, including law enforcement entities as well as academic institutions (see fig. 2).


According to an industry forecast, the market for government and commercial use of UAS is expected to grow, with small UAS having the greatest growth potential. This forecast estimates that the worldwide UAS market could be potentially worth $89 billion over the next decade. The majority of this estimate is for military-type products (primarily the U.S. military) with the associated research and development for production estimated to be $28.5 billion over the next 10 years. As smaller UAS are expected to continue to improve in technology and decrease in price, their prevalence in the national airspace is expected to increase. The forecast also indicates that the United States could account for 62 percent of the world’s research and development investment for UAS technology over the coming decade.

For those not quite up to speed on the whole droning thing, here is a simplified chart explaining it all:

Finally, the risk factors read like a point by point challenge to either every black hat hacker out there, or Iran, whichever responds first.

Command, Control and Communication Systems

Ensuring uninterrupted command and control for both small and large UAS remains a key obstacle for safe and routine integration into the national airspace. Since UAS fly based on pre-programmed flight paths and by commands from a pilot-operated ground control station, the ability to maintain the integrity of command and control signals are critically important to ensure that the UAS operates as expected and as intended.

Lost Link

In a “lost link” scenario, the command and control link between the UAS and the ground control station is broken because of either environmental or technological issues, which could lead to loss of control of the UAS. To address this type of situation, UAS generally have pre-programmed maneuvers that may direct the UAS to hover or circle in the airspace for a certain period of time to reestablish its radio link. If the link is not reestablished, then the UAS will return to “home” or the location from which it was launched, or execute an intentional flight termination at its current location. It is important that air traffic controllers know where and how all aircraft are operating so they can ensure the safe separation of aircraft in their airspace.18 FAA and MITRE have been measuring the impacts of lost link on national airspace safety and efficiency, but the standardization of lost link procedures, for both small and large UAS, has not been finalized. Currently, according to FAA, each COA has a specific lost link procedure unique to that particular operation and air traffic controllers should have a copy for reference at all times. Until procedures for a lost link scenario have been standardized across all types of UAS, air traffic controllers must rely on the lost link procedures established in each COA to know what a particular UAS will do in such a scenario.

Dedicated Radio-Frequency Spectrum

Progress has been made in obtaining additional dedicated radio-frequency spectrum for UAS operations, but additional dedicated spectrum, including satellite spectrum, is still needed to ensure secure and continuous communications for both small and large UAS operations. The lack of protected radio-frequency spectrum for UAS operations heightens the possibility that a pilot could lose command and control of a UAS. Unlike manned aircraft—which use dedicated, protected radio frequencies—UAS currently use unprotected radio spectrum and, like any other wireless technology, remain vulnerable to unintentional or intentional interference. This remains a key security and safety vulnerability because, in contrast to a manned aircraft in which the pilot has direct physical control of the aircraft, interruption of radio transmissions can sever the UAS’s only means of control. UAS stakeholders are working to develop and validate hardware and standards for communications operating in allocated spectrum. For example, FAA’s UAS Research Management Plan identified 13 activities designed to mitigate command, control, and communication obstacles. One effort focused on characterizing the capacity and performance impact of UAS operations on air-traffic-control communications systems. In addition, according to NASA, it is developing, in conjunction with Rockwell Collins, a prototype radio for control and a non-payload communications data link that would provide secure communications.

GPS Jamming and Spoofing

The jamming of the GPS signal being transmitted to the UAS could also interrupt the command and control of UAS operations. In a GPS jamming scenario, the UAS could potentially lose its ability to determine its location, altitude, and the direction in which it is traveling.19 Low cost devices that jam GPS signals are prevalent. According to one industry expert, GPS jamming would become a larger problem if GPS is the only method for navigating a UAS. This problem can be mitigated by having a second or redundant navigation system onboard the UAS that is not reliant on GPS, which is the case with larger UAS typically operated by DOD and DHS.

Encrypting civil GPS signals could make it more difficult to “spoof” or counterfeit a GPS signal that could interfere with the navigation of a UAS. Non-military GPS signals, unlike military GPS signals, are not encrypted and transparency and predictability make them vulnerable to being counterfeited, or spoofed. In a GPS-spoofing scenario, the GPS signal going from the ground control station to the UAS is first counterfeited and then overpowered. Once the authentic (original) GPS signal is overpowered, the UAS is partially under the control of the “spoofer.” This type of scenario was recently demonstrated by researchers at the University of Texas at Austin at the behest of DHS. During the demonstration at the White Sands Missile Range, researchers spoofed one element of the unencrypted GPS signal of a fairly sophisticated small UAS (mini-helicopter) and induced it to plummet toward the desert floor. The research team found that it was straightforward to mount an intermediate-level spoofing attack, such as controlling the altitude of the UAS, but difficult and expensive to mount a more sophisticated attack. The research team recommended that spoof-resistant navigation systems be required on UAS exceeding 18 pounds.

Human Factors

UAS stakeholders have been working to develop solutions to human factor issues for both small and large UAS. According to FAA, human factors research examines the interaction between people, machines, and the environment to improve performance and reduce errors. Human factors are important for UAS operations as the pilot and aircraft are not collocated. The separation of pilot and aircraft creates a number of issues, including loss of sensory cues valuable for flight control, delays in control and communications loops, and difficulty in scanning the visual environment surrounding the unmanned aircraft. As part of its UAS Integration in the National Airspace System Project, NASA is working to develop human factor guidelines for ground control stations and plans to share the results with RTCA SC-203 to inform recommended guidelines. In addition, the Department of the Army is working to develop universal ground control stations, which would allow UAS pilots to fly different types of UAS without having to be trained on multiple configurations of a ground control station.

Source: GAO


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Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:05 | 3252210 Hulk
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My wife has had one following me around for a few months now...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:14 | 3252226 ihedgemyhedges
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I had one following my wife.  The data revealed no activity in the bedroom...........well, my bedroom.........

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:18 | 3252234 goldfish1
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Saw  a drone today flying with a crop duster looking plane. Rural nor thern ohi o. wtmf?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:28 | 3252252 MrX
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who the HELL cares about drones when this kind of shizzle is going on:

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:09 | 3252323 Buckaroo Banzai
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How about some Sunday evening humor.

Kroll Show: Drones

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:55 | 3252463 markmotive
Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:29 | 3252590 GetZeeGold
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In efforts to keep the drone population healthy....the USDA has announced the first ever drone hunt.


Be the first on your block to mount one over your fireplace.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:41 | 3252602 kralizec
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Now that would be a great trophy to show off.  ;)

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 10:24 | 3252708 tbone654
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Just wait until one of them drones knocks down a plane full of 2nd graders...  Then someone will ban/confiscate them all...  problem solved...

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 10:44 | 3252743 Enslavethechild...
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Eventually the Drones will figure out how to determine which slaves are nonproductive and vaporize them.

I'm making my own aluminimum foil suit to go with my hat.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:48 | 3252415 The Gooch
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Congratulations, Mr. X.

You went from "that was a cool and unusual post" to cheap, link-pimp.

Do you play those Maytags at your Mom's house?


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:25 | 3252244 RockyRacoon
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I see that "Academia" rates 2nd highest.  That would be DOD-2 I suppose.  Funds to develop the contraptions for DOD use, of course.  Why not just list the DOD total at 292 and be done with it?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:43 | 3252275 A Nanny Moose
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I noticed that too. good point Rocky. Perhaps they are monitoring the status of those gummint guaranteed student loans? If you have a gummint guaranteed reverse mortgage from "The Fonz" you better be on your toes.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:11 | 3252322 RockyRacoon
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Student loans?   Maybe the educational course should be gaming.  At least the students can get proficient with a joy stick.  Perfect for a drone-jockey.

That makes it DOD at 292 and everyone else combined at 82.

Where's the "justice" in that?

I see a Hollywood movie in the offing:  Drone Wars!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:32 | 3252354 Richard Chesler
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The banksters've had one in the White House for a few years now.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:33 | 3252355 DaveyJones
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most college memories dredge up proficiencies with the joy stick

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:39 | 3252403 RockyRacoon
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I had a different stick in mind.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 11:04 | 3252778 Coldsun
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You played broomball too?!?!?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:16 | 3252389 A Nanny Moose
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Fuck that shit. I can learn that in my mother's basement for free. Although the sex isn't as good, and I'm a little old.

"Begun, This Drone War has." -Yoda.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:24 | 3252587 CPL
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It's how this very awesome 15 year old figured out the markers for early-stage pancreatic cancer.  15.  Years.  Old. 

He did it with the free acedemic research off the internet and did what an army of PhD's haven't done.  Very impressive

Formal Education is nothing is you don't apply it or aren't hungry for a result with it.  He did it by absorbing every pdf he could find on genetic markers and the cheapness of the available equipment.  While the government envisions terrorists making bio-weapons.  Most normal smartie pant's are seeking something a little more long term and sustainable.


I know there is a bit of doom and gloom but occassionally the sun peeks out from behind the clouds.  Just gotta be there to catch the ray.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:52 | 3252607 Buckaroo Banzai
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Interesting story, but did you take a close look at that website? It's a Cultural Marxist front. Run by Participant Media, which bills itself as "Entertainment that inspires and compels social change".

Ugh. I need to take a shower now. Disgusting.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:53 | 3252628 CPL
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Yeah.  I tend to tune out the political drivel and just look for the gold while data mining, this was interesting because it's so rare to see lately.  A genuine piece of good news about a kid doing what kids do well.  Challenge assumptions and break the rules because they don't know different.  Rebels, true rebels, versus that idiotic dogma sold to the mainstream of people standing next to a symbol.

It goes with my theory that the mainstream media is completely broken and no longer can cover stories that matter while stuffing national fish wrap with nonsense nationalism.  Eventually though all the real news ends up in small back page blurbs, back water websites and niche professional news letters/blogs.

I'm hopeful that if this kid is doing this, at 15 challenging the preconceived notions of Cancer research that there is also another kid out there figuring out an agricultural problem, an engineering problem, an energy problem, etc.  The goal to education, imo, is for the student to surpass the teacher as we hope for our children's lives to be better than ours. 

As hammy as that sounds.  The fact he managed to do what he did in the 'modern' education system with peers and teachers telling him it could not be done.  It's outstanding.  Tenacious and smart.  It's a good combo.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 10:24 | 3252709 goldfish1
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mainstream media is completely broken and no longer can cover stories that matter while stuffing national fish wrap with nonsense nationalism

Yet millions plug in. Keeps 'em from spying on their neighbor.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 11:57 | 3252985 Buckaroo Banzai
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"I tend to tune out the political drivel and just look for the gold while data mining"

That's great, but we can't patronize this shit, whether it's in the mainstream media, or on the internet. Everyone needs to avoid websites like that one for the exact same reason we need to avoid the MSM. By patronizing it, we feed it. Cut off their page views and you will cut off their ad support.

This is how we fight this war. STOP giving them your page views.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 14:41 | 3253646 Mr. Magniloquent
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I'm hoping to be the one to solve the "agricultural problem". I will be submitting my patent and business model to an angel investment group in June. We'll see what happens.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:33 | 3252636 Room 101
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Even a broken clock is right every now and then. 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:54 | 3252422 ebworthen
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Those universities and colleges are recycling Federal grant money back to the military while simultaneously educating the Sons and Daughters of PLA (Chinese) Military Officials who are here to spy while in graduate degree programs at Ivy League institutions bankrupting the taxpayer with overpriced tuition and comcomittant student loans.

It's a circle jerk, guess who gets jizzed on?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:27 | 3252510 CaptainObvious
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All this talk about drones has tempted me to mount a ladder to my roof and paint "Lick my sack, joystick jockeys" across the surface of said roof.  Alas, I'll have to forego that juvenile pleasure, because that would surely move my position on the drone-kill list even higher.  I'm content to be in the low 900s on that list at present.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:08 | 3252503 toys for tits
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I remembered hearing a story on NPR about this one college professor who hacked a drone.  I guess he got his the unofficial way.



Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:36 | 3252516 Daily Bail
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Obozo the annointed one played golf this weekend with Tiger Woods.  Watch the White House drone try to hit a golf ball.

Warning - this is ugly.

Presidential Shankapotomos (Watch Obama's Golf Swing)
Mon, 02/18/2013 - 05:03 | 3252531 CaptainObvious
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Give the guy a break, it's difficult to keep your swing straight with a limp wrist.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:55 | 3252608 Buckaroo Banzai
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Well what do you expect. OF COURSE he's going to hit it to the left every time.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 06:23 | 3252555 Disenchanted
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Look at the "Academia" associated with the MITRE Corp. at the FFRDC link(Wiki) below, under the "Administrator" column:


The MITRE Corporation (stylized as MITRE) is an American not-for-profit organization based in Bedford, Massachusetts and McLean, Virginia. It manages Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) supporting the Department of Defense (DOD)


The origins of MITRE:


Under the leadership of C. W. Halligan, MITRE was formed in 1958 to provide overall direction to the companies and workers involved in the US Air ForceSAGE project. Most of the early employees were transferred to MITRE from the Lincoln Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where SAGE was being developed.


MITRE Corp. is DoD

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:14 | 3252227 Eireann go Brach
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The Drone = Obamas Legacy!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:52 | 3252421 The Gooch
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Ze Germans. One CCTV at a time.

H/T Liberty Blitzkrieg.

Follow the link to vid.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:35 | 3252448 Lore
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Do corporations or families qualify for waivers?  Which ones?  Are they retroactive, and if so, to what date? 

The use of drones as agents of government does little to present a caring face to the public.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:15 | 3252229 zerozulu
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Who Is The Most Active User Of Drones Over The United States?


I think answer is Walmart.

I see a lot roaming there.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:16 | 3252230 ShortTheUS
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And she could end up taking half your stuff just like the government.


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:26 | 3252251 Hulk
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Damn! Hopefully I  get to keep my japanese love doll !!!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:24 | 3252346 ZeroAvatar
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Thank you Tylers:



Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:59 | 3252426 MeMadMax
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Relax guys.

DOD is the Army, National Guard, and Air Force training their guys to fly these things before they send them to paki/afghan, and now north africa.

Navy is starting drone programs too so they need some as well.

I personally am more concerned with the DHS numbers as the FBI/CIA is there, luckily, its a relatively low number...


Have fun...

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:30 | 3252513 CaptainObvious
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Relax?  Do you realize how many different intelligence agencies are under the umbrella of the Department of Defense?  I'll relax only when somebody invents a ground-to-drone missile available for sale to Joe Sixpack.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 08:28 | 3252589 Wilcat Dafoe
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That was a dildo.  And it wasn't following you, it was stuck inside your bottom. 

And like a real drone, it was up to no good.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:06 | 3252211 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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TOTUS only does things which are good for U.S.

Remeber if an evil and hate filled POTUS with a "R" by his name ever comes into office you will be told that drones are bad thing.

Long live the TOTUS

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:07 | 3252212 Cursive
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Death to all drones!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:12 | 3252219 rehypothecator
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How can you kill something that's ALREADY DEAD?!  

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:21 | 3252243 Stuffs And Stuff
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How can something be dead that was NEVER ALIVE?!


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:44 | 3252278 A Nanny Moose
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Kinda like a corporation, or Government itself.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:57 | 3252305 Stuffs And Stuff
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Get your facts straight!

Corporations are people.

People are machines.

Got it?


Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:17 | 3252392 A Nanny Moose
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Damn you with your Oligarchical induced realities.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:49 | 3252418 Stuffs And Stuff
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I agree - It makes me want to vomit. 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:59 | 3252679 jimmytorpedo
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Actually, we've been re-classified as animals.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 10:07 | 3252692 CH1
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People are machines.

People are TOOLS.

Fixed it for ya.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:35 | 3252358 DaveyJones
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they're doing it with the economy

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:42 | 3252272 goldfish1
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remain vulnerable to unintentional or intentional interference?

can be bothered by GPS interference devices of which there are 19 on the market?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:55 | 3252300 zerozulu
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I read some where there is a part in the microwave oven that can bring down a drone if you point it at and turn it on.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 09:33 | 3252639 General Decline
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It's called the magnetron. Sounds good in theory. My guess is that they are already hardened against microwave radiation.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:07 | 3252215 Stuffs And Stuff
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Finally, the risk factors read like a point by point challenge to either every black hat hacker out there, or Iran, whichever responds first.

Indeed. It's only a matter of time until drones are used here, and with this there will be a lot of hacking I'm sure.

I personally think drones should be banned entirely. There is nothing positive that comes from them; war and invading privacy? No thanks.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:36 | 3252517 CaptainObvious
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Oh no, there's many positive things that can come from drones, besides war and invading privacy.  There's also disruption of commercial air traffic with drones that lose their line-of-sight control; endangering commercial air traffic with drones that lose their line-of-sight control; property damage from out-of-control drones that crash on buildings, cars, people, and animals; and the waste of perfectly good ammunition when people get a little crazy that Big Brother is watching and blast a magazine's worth at a drone they can't hope to hit.  You guys never look on the bright side of life.



[/sarc] for the clueless.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:08 | 3252216 Cabreado
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-->  Little Johnny is addicted to games

-->  Johnny's Dad never grew up

Which would be the immediate problem, I wonder...

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:15 | 3252221 nmewn
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"What's the frequency, Kenneth?!?" ;-)

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:45 | 3252281 A Nanny Moose
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IDK, but it seems more frequent that I piss my pants and start talking in tongues. That shit only use to happen when the microwave oven was running.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:13 | 3252223 TuesdayBen
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Mindy McCready droned

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:21 | 3252340 CompassionateFascist
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This is true synchronicity. Yesterday threw out both my Mindy McCready CDs and re-used the jewel boxs for home-scratched CDs. Jung's the Man. 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:13 | 3252225 q99x2
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Not to mention that there's some Rambos out there that can't wait to take out a bankster or political enemy. And then you have your corporate enemies and just people that would takeover control for the fun of it.

As I see it this is a perfect excuse, not to mention the asteroids, to quit flying. I don't like it to begin with.

Here's some more fun info.

The Department of Homeland Security is set to purchase a further 21.6 million rounds of ammunition to add to the 1.6 billion bullets it has already obtained...

Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.

So the FEDs are going to Fucking kill us. If not then they are wasting taxpayer money.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:17 | 3252233 nmewn
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lol...bullish for warehouse space & snoozing, drooling Wakenhut guards ;-)

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:56 | 3252301 zerozulu
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Bullish for microwave ovens

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:18 | 3252236 Stuffs And Stuff
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It's actually over 1.6 billion. I haven't been keeping too up-to-date on this since it really doesn't matter, but it's atleast 1.8 right now, not including the future shipment you mentioned.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:27 | 3252349 CompassionateFascist
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No, DHS is using debtbux to drive up the price of ammo for the rest of us. Pathetic, just pathetic. Never mind the price, I just ordered 5 boxes of Hornady lit-up 3,000 fps .308. Can't wait 'til that first low-flyer appears over my backyard.  

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:41 | 3252409 Lukacko
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Yup producing an ammo shortage.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:16 | 3252231 Shell Game
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"The first American patriot to shoot down one of these drones, that comes too close to his children and his backyard, will be an American hero"  --Judge A. Napolitano



Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:20 | 3252239 nmewn
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Even meteors refuse to fly over "my hood".


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:32 | 3252258 Shell Game
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:47 | 3252286 nmewn
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I love it when a plan comes together ;-)

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:51 | 3252292 Yen Cross
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 That was funny, nmewn. I have my eye on you.   "Meet The Fockers, reloaded".

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:36 | 3252266 Hulk
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They will be charged with making an illegal drone fall !!!

(do you guys have prince Albert in a can ???)

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:40 | 3252518 CaptainObvious
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Nah, they can bring up charges without even mentioning the illegal drone that was illegally spying on you.  They can charge you with discharge of a weapon in an illegal area and claim that you said you were shooting at a squirrel or some such rot.  You really think they're going to allow public records of illegal drone flight paths to come to light?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:30 | 3252512 AnAnonymous
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And it will be my pleasure to try that 'american' hero?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:17 | 3252232 Cognitive Dissonance
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One would have to be deaf, blind and dumb not to see where this is all going.

<Of course, I just described half the US population.......on accident of course. Nobody would intentionally be this way......right?>

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:47 | 3252284 A Nanny Moose
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Depends. Who was responsible for their education?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:19 | 3252237 Rusty Trombone
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I really starting to reconsider my opinion of stated Reductio Ad Absurdum when some gun grabbing pussy hoplophobe posits that we want everyone to have Stinger missiles.

Contemporary arms in the hands of the aggressor demands contemporary arms by the common citizen.

This whole situation is fucking crazy.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:49 | 3252290 A Nanny Moose
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Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:20 | 3252240 Mister Minsk
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On December 23, 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles, and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:21 | 3252241 Hunter S. Thompson
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Is this the reason you cannot legally import a laser pointer that is greater than 5mw so you can't burn out the video cameras?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:36 | 3252265 nmewn
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Operative word...legally ;-)

I think the thing to do with these pieces of shit is, just as the article says, interfere with its communications, get it flying in a circle and do what we love to do...down here...whether the target is moving or the shooter is moving.

Hey Earl, hold my beer and watch this!

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:51 | 3252291 A Nanny Moose
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Seriously...I thought it was a bird of prey, preying on my goats.

FFS. between that an my goddamed boating accidents, it's a wonder I can remember jack shit.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 11:42 | 3252935 JOYFUL
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Laugh not...I was unaware of the whole issue of these mini-drones till I heard a weird buzzing sound and come outside one day last August to see this floating above my fields...bird of prey was exactly what it looked like at first glance... then the buzzing, and the weird gyrations hooked up in my head, and I realized it was a remote controlled object, with some kind of control issue that the operator was attempting to fix mid-air. Some kid with an airplane. Cept, I live so far out in the middle of nowhere the chances of that were bout zero. Still didn't clue in till I went back inside and looked up the image I had seen...the serrated wings made it easy.

That's when I was disabused of my lingering notions of 'privacy' in the C21st century. These things are all over the place now...and no matter what the manufacturers might say...can be weaponized in a snap!

No biggie, says I, I'll just move on to another country without on the ground CIAmossad arrangements...oops...

"Carry-on sized case: Easy to transport, all in one boxHand-launched: No additional equipment needed"

Hiding is finished. The only thing left to do is ride out and take the battle to them!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 15:31 | 3253800 Cathartes Aura
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the where to buy list is interesting, as is the home address.

it's good to realise that run 'n' hide isn't such an obvious option, acting accordingly resolves the mind.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:17 | 3252337 jumbo maverick
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Another way to kill the drone would be,

I have heard the drones are run out of the AF base in Las Vegas. So you do your intel and discover who the young drone operators are. Then you hire some of the high class whores to lure the operators into a compromising situation.

Once at the hotel room the operators are attacked. Imagine being a young healthy 20 year old male that has been castrated.

Or you could just have someone snipe the drone operator as they are getting into their car at a 7/11.

Either way you don't try to kill the drone flying at 30,000 feet. You get the operator.

This is just a mental exercise. In no way am I trying to overthrow the us government that I love and would defend with my life if need be. For the record I love America and I love our government even more so please don't drone me.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:34 | 3252356 nmewn
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Or jam the drone or catch them coming to and from base at lower altitude.

But I'm like you...I love our federal government and in no way would I ever get in its way to protect and serve the public by spying on ranchers in the upper mid-west! ;-)

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 07:52 | 3252578 krispkritter
Mon, 02/18/2013 - 06:22 | 3252255 Peter Pan
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How does the US government know if a foreign country has drones flying over the US or not?

Are these drones small enough to allow them to enter US airspace from an offshore vessel and drop a nuclear device on America?

It seems to me that these versatile little machines will be the next Pandorra's Box.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:31 | 3252257 Dr Paul Krugman
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Tyler Durden needs to refocus his attention on the issues at hand.  Managing a blog is a tough business and I worry that Mr Durden tries to hard to appease the diverse group that reads here instead of focusing on the real talent of this blog - showing how bad the depression we are in is.

Not many sites are focusing on this with stocks at all time highs and even though those of us who worked hard to get a retirement account are happy, many others are not as fortunate.  We need to refocus back to the problem - we need to make a recovery happen.

And for those of you who will berate me (I have gotten used to coming in here and taking the gloves off), please, do your best.

Paul Krugman: I Almost Enjoy Hate Mail:

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:33 | 3252262 Rusty Trombone
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Satan  - Get Thee Behind Me !

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:54 | 3252297 A Nanny Moose
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May I prescribe you some pennecilin, and profilactics for what you are about to receive?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:35 | 3252359 CompassionateFascist
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Say what you will, the real Paul Krugman knows the difference between "too" and "to"........or maybe not. 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:44 | 3252520 CaptainObvious
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I find that funny, since the real Paul Krugman doesn't know the difference between two, two hundred, two million, and two billion.  Well, okay, he actually knows the difference, but he just doesn't give a shit.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:13 | 3252478 Schmuck Raker
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I've been thinking of making a bumper sticker along similar lines:

"Texter, get thee behind me."

Thoughts, anyone?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:37 | 3252267 Colonel
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What other nation uses drones? Not even the Ruskies use drones to terrorize other nations.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:45 | 3252282 Dr Paul Krugman
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See?  There are more important issues at hand than trying to hold back law inforcement from doing their job.

What about the negative GDP from last quarter?  Obviously we are not doing enough to grow the economy and if we were then unemployment would have subsided by now.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:01 | 3252307 Laser Shark
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Dr. K, you're the reason that everybody wants to go to Princeton.

I look forward to your next blog post about how stupid Republicans are and how smart Democrats are.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:12 | 3252477 IridiumRebel
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For having a Phd., you spell like shit.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:46 | 3252521 CaptainObvious
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There can only be one MDB.  You, sir, are not MDB.  And if you're not trying to be MDB 2.0, then you, sir, are a flaming jackass.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:44 | 3252277 Stuffs And Stuff
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Do we not already know how bad the depression is?

When Tyler has something new to say in relation to the economy, I'm sure he'll post it.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:45 | 3252279 nmewn
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So, Paulie, you gonna give 50-75% of your wealth and future income over to the state?

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:49 | 3252288 Dr Paul Krugman
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If Congress made it the law then of course I would.  Happily.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:57 | 3252303 Yen Cross
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I'll bet yer long " Kitty Piss" being the Cat lover you are?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:28 | 3252353 nmewn
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If Congress made it a law to report your soul-mate to authorities for speaking out against Congress...would you do this happily, also? How about, forcing you to buy something from some company somewhere. Still happy to do it?

Remember, it's a law ;-)

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:35 | 3252366 Yen Cross
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Would (it) be asking too much, if I slept on that thought?  ( i don't take sides) unless it's important

   You're Important/

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:49 | 3252289 kliguy38
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Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:12 | 3252330 McMolotov
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The domestic use of drones has everything to do with how bad the depression is. Our government is turning its eyes inward and beginning to regard the citizenry as potential enemies. Such things are usually the last desperate acts of a dying nation.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:42 | 3252365 MrPalladium
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And the irony is that all we need do to collapse the system is cut up our credit cards, stay away from the malls and wait.

Perhaps the drones are meant to keep track of who is not out shopping!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:17 | 3252480 Schmuck Raker
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I don't think you are the real Krugman, you spelling is two good.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 06:35 | 3252557 e-recep
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> Paul Krugman: I Almost Enjoy Hate Mail


sick bastard.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:08 | 3252320 zerozulu
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404 page not found

but here it is.


Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:39 | 3252268 lolmao500
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Now if they could start taking out the domestic enemies living in Sacramento, Chicago, NY and Washington DC, that would be a great start.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:00 | 3252269 Yen Cross
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 Little green men with cattle prods?

  You think I'm joking? Try having a garage sale, or opening a Lemonaid ™ stand<

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:51 | 3252524 CaptainObvious
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You think that's bad?  Try organizing a protest (with or without permit) in a no-free-speech zone.  Then it'll be big white men in body armor with tasers and assault rifles.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:40 | 3252270 williambanzai7
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Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:52 | 3252293 Stuffs And Stuff
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Nice work. I can just see them doing this; bombing styrofoam, for our safety - Pew pew.

I'd like to know how you post pictures in these comment boxes, WB7.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:16 | 3252336 williambanzai7
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Only contributors can post images.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:21 | 3252342 Stuffs And Stuff
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Oh well.

Keep up the good work.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:50 | 3252373 williambanzai7
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If you have something you've done send it to me twitter or post a link where I will see it.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:16 | 3252335 williambanzai7
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I wonder what the trees think. I also wonder what Bloomberg packs his terminals in, but I can guess.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:53 | 3252526 CaptainObvious
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Nice work, Banzai, keep fighting the good fight!

One question, they send in two drones if the styrofoam cup is larger than 15.9 oz. and filled with a sugar-laden carbonated beverage of death? 

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:48 | 3252287 ziggy59
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And who shall protect us from our self proclaimed protectors?

We are seeing, in not so slow motion anymore, the very govt, our founding fathers warned about.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:57 | 3252302 A Nanny Moose
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There will be uber-protectors. Note the success of FBI, CIA and FEMA, USCGS, rolled into DHS. Not one Terrorist attack since then. /sarc.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:09 | 3252325 zerozulu
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Note the success of FBI, CIA and FEMA, USCGS, rolled into DHS. Not one Terrorist attack since 1776

corrected for you

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:19 | 3252396 A Nanny Moose
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Damn those revolutionaries.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 04:55 | 3252527 CaptainObvious
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? ~ Juvenal, Satires

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:20 | 3252296 Atomizer
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Page 5/6

Page 9/10 

MDID- Like a vise

Don't be limp wristed, link one & two dl is clean. The third link creates clarity.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:55 | 3252298 IridiumRebel
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Everything digital tracks you. They're tracking you here. You want anonymity? Pass notes from paper like 3rd grade, otherwise, just know they know.

Sun, 02/17/2013 - 23:57 | 3252304 Atomizer
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Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:20 | 3252441 Arkadaba
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I'm telling :p

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 02:43 | 3252456 IridiumRebel
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Did you get my note?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:02 | 3252311 Rustysilver
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I expect any day now that a Drone lands in my backyard. I will sell it on eBay to the highest bidder.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:03 | 3252312 IridiumRebel
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They're over us here in CT. They had them deployed for Sandy Hook.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:07 | 3252318 Stuffs And Stuff
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Imagine the shipping fees....

Perhaps a lawsuit would be more profitable?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:11 | 3252328 zerozulu
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Don't forget to repaint it before selling.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:20 | 3252341 Yen Cross
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IridiumRebel Stuffs And Stuff

                                                                     I love you guys. Newbees and well seasoned.


Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:18 | 3252394 Atomizer
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The album may have been lifted by my ex-wife back in 1992, the Case Western Reserve University memories can never be erased. :)

hill o' beans / force feed

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:58 | 3252425 Yen Cross
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Z/H reunions. I can't wait to have the privilige to meet you.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:37 | 3252343 Yen Cross
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 I forgot Rusty.  My appologies.


   I am a dumb Mutha Fucker. I should have hedged the metals into London. I fucked up , and now it's too late!  Fuck me naked!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:23 | 3252485 FreeMktFisherMN
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I really wonder how low they can take the PM mkts. The miners' margins will go from minimal to nonexistent if their output keeps getting monkeyhammered, as they deal with geopolitical risk, labor strife, and their energy costs thanks to inflation. Thus supply gets squeezed and especially for silver as a beta play since it is a byproduct in mining and gets consumed in industry, this would be super bullish for it. 

And the other thing is, I do think they are trying to shake the weak hands, but most people who have the guts to face up to what is going on/have 'awoken' to the evil going on with inflation, .gov tyranny, etc., are not dumb enough to sell their phyzz PMs, and conversely are quite thrilled to trade paper fiat for PMs at a discount on these raids. The hands are getting stronger I guess is my thesis. 

Either way the decoupling of paper and actual underlying phyzz PMs keeps pushing forth.

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 03:25 | 3252487 FreeMktFisherMN
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I don't know about you all but Apmex is always way slow to load for me, and it seems like on these raids the supplies thin out quick at Provident and elsewhere. 

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:40 | 3252361 dreadnaught
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The city of Seattle has overwhelmingly voted against letting the SPD use drones in city limits-so now they (2) are 'presumably' being sold-funny but the SPD had little to say one way or the other about it

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 00:47 | 3252371 Colonel Klink
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Smile for the unconstitutional birdie!

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:13 | 3252380 Monedas
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Obama is a CIA groomed stooge muppet .... of course he's gonna use drones .... it's not really "his" decision, anyway !  Putin is the real deal .... head of the KGB .... which means .... he's Obama's boss .... note Syria ?

Mon, 02/18/2013 - 01:20 | 3252382 Monedas
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Look at these clowns .... Pelosi, Paneta, Hillary, Obama .... you think these idiots outsmart the KGB .... they're employee, terrestial drones of the KGB !  Where are the 8 hours of missing Obama tapes .... while Benghazi was going on ?     Fuel rods for North Korea .... yes !  Hanoi offers us Camranh bay as a naval base .... no, we don't want to offend the Chicoms .... and the leftists would lose all their talking points !

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