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Just Say NO: Seattle Residents Kill the City’s Drone Program

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The anti-surveillance state movement is gaining traction and following Charlottesville, Virginia becoming the first city to pass anti-drone legislation, the engaged citizenry of Seattle have now succeeded in killing their city’s own drone program earlier this month.  On the state level, while legislation has been introduced in several places, it appears Florida is closest to enacting domestic surveillance drone regulations into law.  The title of the bill is the “Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act.”  From Forbes:

After a Public Safety, Civil Rights and Technology Committee hearing in Seattle (held the night of Feb 7), where residents raised concern over the Seattle Police Departments attempt to use surveillance drones, the program was successfully killed.


In a written response, Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn wrote: “Today I spoke with Seattle Police Chief John Diaz and we agreed that it was time to end the unmanned aerial vehicle program so that SPD can focus its resources on public safety and the community building work that is the department’s priority. The vehicles will be returned to the vendor.”


On the legislative side of things, multiple states are already moving to enact laws to strongly regulate the use of surveillance drones.  According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Maine has a bill introduced to regulate drones, as do Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Texas. In Virginia a hearing has already been held on a bill, while Montana has three bills, and hearings have already been held there as well.


Of all states, however, Florida is the closest to enacting domestic surveillance drone regulations into law.


The Florida bill was introduced by state Senator Joe Negron—a very powerful Republican who chairs the budget committee. The actual title of the bill is the “Freedom from Unwarranted Surveillance Act,” and according to the ACLU it has strong bipartisan support, along with support from public defenders, the Florida Sheriff’s Association, and Florida Police Chiefs.

While these guys will try to get away with anything they think they can, this demonstrates that when the citizenry is involved and active we can control our own destiny.  Great job Seattle!

Full article here.


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Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:04 | 3257959 a growing concern
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Tomorrow's headline: Hipsters Get Hellfired!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:10 | 3257982 Induced Coma
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Anyone foolish enough to believe TPTB will follow some silly notion such as "laws" deserves what is coming to them.


Not that I wish anyone to be droned...



Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:24 | 3258021 Dr Paul Krugman
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Gold bugs have been wrong for a year and a half.  Gold bugs who thought interest rates would rise have been wrong for 3 years.  Yet somehow the yelling and arm waving doesn't stop, all the gold bugs in the world keep shouting at the top of their lungs that soon - because of inflation - bonds will collapse and gold will skyrocket.

Yet why has gold risen up until now?  Inflation expectations.  And now that gold has fallen maybe those gold bugs will realize that inflation is low, if anything at all.  Rates rise a measly little bit and bonds are collapsing!  Even Tyler understands that bonds are where people have been seaking investment during this depression.

Do gold bugs listen to the facts?  No.  Now they will read about drones and bullets and guns and hid in their hampers with pots on their heads hoping for space aliens to come and take them away from a society that has rules and laws and science. 

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:29 | 3258029 Hulk
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Gold Bulls Paul, we're Gold BULLS !!!

(damn, they're are some good looking perps at the top of the page)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:58 | 3258288 The Proletariat
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What's up Paul....fuck you...and those Keynes cum stains on ur upper lip

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:34 | 3258381 markmotive
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'The US empire abroad must have a US police state at home'

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 10:58 | 3259183 sessinpo
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Wow, that was a real contribution. Very insightful and ful of facts and logic tha we all can use and respect.


Funny, I head about the same type of thing. An associate that like to flip houses  gave me the same reaction when I was telling him that real estate doesn't always go up (back in 2006). After his bankruptcy, he doesn't seem to come around much more.


And I am anti Krugman. Krugman is one of the dumbest liberal economist in history.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:32 | 3258041 espirit
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Jeez, you need to get out of your mom's basement more often.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:37 | 3258055 Dr Paul Krugman
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My moms basement is a nice house on the beach and I write a blog and like to familiarize myself with others. 

I find Zero Hedge informative.

1)  The readership and writers are well versed traders

2)  I like to know what my opponents are saying before they come begging back telling me they were wrong, like Niall Ferguson just did

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:43 | 3258068 Pure Evil
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I hope I get droned real soon.

I'm looking forward to showing them my one-eyed baby.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:16 | 3258162 Freddie
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F Dronz! 

Krugman is a douchebag.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:45 | 3258077 erg
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You wrote hid in their hampers did you mean hid in your pampers? You're missing an e...amongst other things.

You and MDB are sweet on each other arntcha?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:42 | 3258241 MillionDollarBoner_
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I think what happened was he dropped an e, thereby altering the tense.

Perhaps if he dropped an e more often he would lighten up a bit...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:57 | 3258331 erg
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No need to come to his defense, you're not the MDB I'm looking for.

I think he should drop a hit. Maybe he'd make more sense.

Edit: That's civil, polite speak for mind your own fucking business. I am amazed and inundated by the flood of fools that don't know their business.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:50 | 3258084 CaptainObvious
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Your mom's basement was a nice house on the beach, until Hurricane Sandy blew it down like the big bad wolf.  Anyone who is stupid enough to build on a beach deserves what they get.  (Oh, and if your mom's house is on the opposite coast, then you are currently being bombarded by radiation from Fukushima.  Couldn't happen to a more deserving fellow.)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:58 | 3258103 Chupacabra-322
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These Criminal Banksters own the “government”. The “government” does not tell them what to do, they tell the “government” what to do. They are the reason there is war everywhere, why the “government” ruling over us attacks nations all over the planet committing murder and terrorism against them and treason against us every day. I can’t imagine what sort of force will have to come to the fore to stop these Criminals, but they must be stopped.

The “government” is a criminal organization. They rule with fire power. They are a gang that numbers in many thousands. Their goons are everywhere. America in under an occupation of criminals and will continue to be until they are at last forcibly removed from our land. Their economic Ponzi scheme is about to collapse and the main mechanism of their control will be gone. Their central bank, the Fed Reserve, (see fifth Plank Communist Manifesto) has run its course. A 100 year conspiracy is coming to fruition and the deed is done. Just one big problem for them, 200,000,000 guns in the hands of free Americans who hate their guts, and are hell bent of restoring this Republic to Constitutional legitimacy. Whatever cruelty, whatever ruthlessness the criminal “government” uses we must exercise even more so. Don’t forget, they want us dead. No quarter for traitors! No quarter for the enemy!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:02 | 3258116 Chupacabra-322
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According to the US Air Force, information from the internet is being used to sabotage satellite signals critical to military operations.
This week’s New Scientist reports that instructions on how to build satellite jammers, using cheap equipment from home improvement stores and electronics fairs, are to be found on the internet. The UAVs have two alternative systems for communication.

Line of sight radio :
In the military C-Band 500 – 1000 MHz that can be jammed with simple spark-gap radio
Satellite communication :
In the Ku-Band between 10.95 – 14.5 GHz, and the satellite can be jammed.
The Uplink-Band to the satellite is 13.75 – 14.5 GHz
The Downlink-Band from the satellite is 10.95 – 12.75 GHz

And you should jam the Uplink frequencies with a jammer directed at the satellite.
If you jam the communication, then the operator becomes blind and the UAV will fly around until it crashes or the fuel is gone. But you must kill both links of communication to kill any rescue.

There are a limited number of satellite channels available which means that the satellite link becomes a bottleneck. The satellite is therefore used as a backup and jammer-rescue channel and for single special operations from far away from the target, while C-band radio is used for multiple simultaneous operations from near the targets. Every military base have their own UAVs that must be operated through the C-band radio. C-band radio is also reported to be used for take off and landing. Which means that the C-band radio is your primary target. The C-band radio is also easier to jam.

A radio jammer can also be used to deny the enemy to call in air support when you attack. Send out a team to jam the airbase radio before you attack any of those spread out tiny outposts or patrols.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:19 | 3258176 Freddie
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Maybe the military/Pentagon/Joint Serfs might defend The Constitution instead of being cowards douchebags towards with the usurper and the criminal Senate.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:05 | 3258443 Gold Dog
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Don't Drone Me Bro!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:11 | 3258537 Solarman
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They want you to spend all of your time chasing these freq's.  They are using laser communication, and just like in a fiber optic cable your bandwidth becomes unlimited, and sent across angstroms to limit the ability to jam it, like the ARPA net.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:10 | 3258324 Half_A_Billion_...
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You are so good that the guys here actually think you're PK.  Keep it up!  Amazing work.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:26 | 3258363 ISEEIT
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Dearest Lord paul...

I do know that you dear Sir have deigned so as that you haveth a twitter account (buy/sell/price signal us?): and having been allowed this knowledge Paul the great, I, in submission to your mighty 'education' do humbly request that you smite not only these heretics who besmirch and belittle your heavenly credentials here in the unholy space of zerohedge..But that you deign proper the elimination of the great heretic to be found at the dissident haven of EPJ.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:12 | 3258451 Gold Dog
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Oh Great Krugman!

After reading your bottomless wisdom and taking stock of my stack of relics..... occered to me that I had not bought any Krugs for a few years so I grabbed a couple of tubes just now.

Thank You for Your Magnificance!

Lowley Dog

PS- When does Kangaroo post? I see that Provident has a good price, I just need the ocasional reminder!


EDIT- Almost forget, can YOU find the missing "E"?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 04:34 | 3258704 WhiteNight123129
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You like inverted duration trades? I think you should.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:34 | 3258050 erg
erg's picture forgot the all-round douchebag addendum.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:47 | 3258052 Yen Cross
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 Really Paul? Gold has out performed every equity market over the last 5 years! Gold was $700 in 2008 and it's $1600 and some change now!  You're a fucking "Charlitain". Go back to that Shit Ball rag "NY Times!"

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:56 | 3258099 Papasmurf
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A can of fruit cocktail that cost $ .99 six months ago now costs $1.39 at Walmart.  But there's no inflation according to you.  I suppose you don't eat, since you're already full of . . .

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:07 | 3258109 JustObserving
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The world is drowning in fiat money.  The US has printed $3.6 trillion, the UK has printed at least $600 billion, ECB and Bank of Japan have expanded their balance sheet by trillions.  The total printing by these four is about $8 to $9 trillion.  The rate of printing in US now $1.02 trillion a year, while all the gold held by the US is about 8000 tonnes worth $400 billion.

Just the land value of Beijing is $20 trillion.  The total property value of China and Hong Kong is $200 trillion.  Property values in India are at least $30 trillion.  Other countries in Asia have similar property bubbles.  Property in Asia is worth $400 to $500 trillion.  And all the gold bullion in the world is worth only about $4 trillion.  All the gold mined in human history is about $9 trillion but more than half has been used in jewelry.

What are the world's equity markets worth?  Maybe $60 to $80 trillion.

What is the amount of silver bullion available?  Maybe, 1 billion ounces worth under $30 billion.

US debt and unfunded liabilities are $140 trillion and grow by $23 billion a day, enough to buy 75% of the world's silver bullion everyday.

So anyone who thinks that inflation will be subdued much longer is dreaming or is a deluded Central Bankster.

When you look at the enormous numbers for real estate and equities and debt, gold and silver are a bargain now.


Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:37 | 3258228 MillionDollarBoner_
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Is that really you?

Learn to fucking spell, mate! You are an insult to academia.


That's not a verb, dude...its a fucking helicopter!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:58 | 3258286 goldfish1
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Inflation can be measured by the cost of laundry detergent. In 2008 a 156 OZ box of Arm & hammer was 7.99. Now a 57 oz box is 7.59.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 06:01 | 3258750 CompassionateFascist
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Sounds about right. The weekly basket of grocs that cost me c. $40 in '06 is now c. $120. But there's "no inflation". My income in nominal dollars, meanwhile...remains about the same. 

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:48 | 3258412 Go Tribe
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So you're 100% equities? Or what???

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:15 | 3258543 Bunga Bunga
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Minimum wage hikes will kick off the inflationary spiral soon. Every business owner, who is not completely retarded, will suck out the 10 or 20 bucks per day, their customers have more in their pockets. To a certain degree they are forced to, because their cost is rising too. Bonds prices are not a scale for anything anymore, because not only the interest rates, but the whole yield curve is heavily manipulated by the Federal Reserve. The inevitable bond collapse gets just delayed, but will happen as soon the market forces will brake their way. Central planning always failed.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 04:32 | 3258703 WhiteNight123129
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JUst wait. There are no exception in history to money inflation. People know credit induced inflation which is benign. Money inflation is far different. No exception in history when you explode the monetary base prices follow.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:25 | 3258024 espirit
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Here in Florida, we're long Ghillie suits and goose guns.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:41 | 3258063 prains
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Can't some other govt agency not under state control just take over drone surveillance?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:54 | 3258597 Lore
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When will Pakistan pass its own anti-drone legislation? 

When will Seattle move to block Smart Meters and other tentacles of Big Green Brother?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:29 | 3258033 mjorden
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no, tomorrows headline "China hacks DATABAZEZ!" ....

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:32 | 3258039 SMG
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It's a good start, keep fighting anyway you can!

Never give up, never give up, 

never, never give up!



Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:04 | 3257960 CH1
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Stop feeding the tyrants!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:05 | 3257961 LetThemEatRand
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"Dronie -- I am your creator, and I am imperfect.  Therefore, you are imperfect."

"Error.  Must Analyze...."

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:36 | 3258226 Albertarocks
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"Just what do you think you're doing Dave?"

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:47 | 3258410 Drunken Monkey
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+5 for Original Star Trek reference

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 03:41 | 3258674 SDShack
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You forgot the punchline...Kirk to Dronie..."Exercise your prime function... destroy yourself!"

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:05 | 3257962 EscapeKey
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they'll no doubt find some way of pushing it through regardless in "the interest of the people"

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:18 | 3257974 JLee2027
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True. They'll be some contrived threat or event if necessary.

The police state attempts will continue until the bastards are no longer able to make their own money and HAVE to depend on the people.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:22 | 3258017 philipat
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Federal Law is higher and will ultimately prevail. BUT in the meantime, it is good that "We the people" have an (Increasingly rare) opportunity to make our opinion known.


Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:34 | 3258049 NotApplicable
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It just means that only the feds will have drones.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:40 | 3258060 CH1
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Right, they don't give a shit about local laws.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:51 | 3258086 CaptainObvious
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They don't give a shit about federal laws, why bother with local ones?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:20 | 3258465 Gold Dog
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When drones are outlawed only oulaws will have drones.

Speaking of drones, has anyone listened to the Krugman jackass lately?



PS- Kangaroo, wherefore art thou?

 (This sale cannot last too much longer!)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:43 | 3258070 MrTouchdown
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I'm sure they'll use the "common welfare" clause. They use it for everything else.


Starting to look a lot like State vs. Federal, though, isn't it?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:24 | 3258473 Gold Dog
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I don't understand?! Why are the peeps in Colorado let off the hook?


Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:06 | 3257963 Mr. Lucky
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When the only tool you have is a drone everyone looks like a target.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:06 | 3257965 Yen Cross
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 Best news of the day! Starbucks being droned, got the lefties excited!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 03:55 | 3258679 StychoKiller
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Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:07 | 3257970 Apathetic or Wh...
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Bone the drone!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:07 | 3257972 john39
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good step... but no one is safe until the feds/military ground the drones, both domestically and abroad (except in lawful declared wars-ie, non-banker wars)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:09 | 3257978 a growing concern
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I'm in favor of wars on bankers.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:52 | 3258092 CaptainObvious
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Only if we use drones, though.  A drone strike maximizes the whole collateral damage thing, and bankers need lots of collateral damage.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:51 | 3258422 Go Tribe
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No one's safe until they eliminate terrestrial robots as well. Either mano a mano or no war.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:10 | 3257981 nmewn
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So, as a Florida resident, I guess this means I don't get to try out my new AA battery?

Anyone in the NE want it?...its still in the crate ;-)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:21 | 3258014 booboo
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nmewn, you in old real Florida, (north of Gainesville) NewYorkarica (South of Gainesville to Poincianna) Crackerville South of Cow town to Okeechobee) or Cuba?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:49 | 3258083 nmewn
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Well, I was born in St.Pete., lived north of Jax across Trout River behind the railroad tracks on the incoming flight path of old Jax airport, lived in Haileah which was cool as a kid, then back to the Burg where I attended the same High School as MsC and was a beach bum______in time, now I'm in real Fla and lovin it...close to my roots in south Ga.

Takes a long time for neighbors to get to know you and trust you here...and for new neighbors, the same. We leave each other alone unless the need arises, hurricanes, tornadoes, broke tractor/vehicle, a crackhead moves in, you know, standard stuff ;-)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:00 | 3258110 booboo
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nice, spent a good bit of time hunting those parts, Monticello, north of I-10. Pretty good turkey hunting ground.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:17 | 3258169 nmewn
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Good turkey hunting from Marion county on up through Jefferson.

Here's something good that just came on the market you might be interested in...they had a booth set up in Tennessee last weekend. Seen one today, pretty cool no matter the terrain, slope, no slope, pivots 180 degrees...

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:28 | 3258206 espirit
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Good down here also, in the Osceola swamps north of Kenansville.  Had 9 birds take flight from my little green patch Monday morning.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:38 | 3258232 nmewn
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Damn, we all crackas round

Keep the back door open, we may have to go "liberate" Cuba at some point ;-)

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:16 | 3258336 espirit
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you betcha.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:48 | 3258414 booboo
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hunted 10 mile, lots of birds, Mormons are proud of their land.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:14 | 3257992 booboo
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If Obama had a drone it would look like him and he would call it Super Fly

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:14 | 3257995 toys for tits
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I saw the president droning on this morning. Is that what we're talking about?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:16 | 3257997 Lmo Mutton
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Drones are computers.  People laws do not apply to computers.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:17 | 3257998 Smegley Wanxalot
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No worries.  POSident Dinglebarry Oblowhard will show you state and city peons who's boss in his kingdom.  Now fuck you and take a missle up your ass, you Starbucks guzzling beanheaded serf-boy.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:17 | 3258001 QQQBall
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Look for a false flag in PNW... "Preventable, if only we had drones at our disposal"

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:20 | 3258011 Hulk
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You can do the same thing with a Barrett and have a lot of fun at the same time !!!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:20 | 3258012 djsmps
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By golly, I'm sure this will end that pesky drone problem.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:21 | 3258015 disabledvet
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just as long as they don't shoot down little Bill's "spy cam on the bikini clad girls next door" it's all good.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:27 | 3258200 OldPhart
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Really?!  Drones?

Law Enforcement needs to think outside of the box, like these people.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:22 | 3258018 cherry picker
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Geeez, I just bought stock in a drone manufacturer.  These cities and states are going to kill my business.  I must be on somebody's hit list/  :)

Thank God states and cities are upholding the Constitution wheras the White House could give a rat's ass.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:54 | 3258095 CaptainObvious
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Sorry, Benny can't print rat's asses, or the White House would be glad to give those.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:55 | 3258096 NoWayJose
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Drone makers will need to apply for Obama green grants. Swap out the cameras and missiles for air pollution sensors and global warming thermometers.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:16 | 3258165 CaptainObvious
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You forgot the carbon sensors, dude.  How is Al Gore gonna get his fair share of the carbon tax if the drones aren't measuring carbon levels?  Al needs a new pair of free-range leather shoes with organic cotton liners, you know.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:22 | 3258186 cherry picker
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Good point, but aren't drones using an unnecessary amount of fuel creating polution considering they are not transporting life forms.  They should be abolished under the EPA.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:23 | 3258019 alien-IQ
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I'm looking forward to the day that some bright enterprising 15 year old figures out how to hack police drones and we see them start falling out of the sky like pigeon shit.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:05 | 3258403 Reptil
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That will be used as reason to authorise the use of autonomous artificial intelligence as controller over drones, since these do not rely on hackable control signals. There was a robot developed that would patrol and engage enemies, and would switch to an autonomous program if the signal is disconnected. So what happens when a drone is disconnected?

Using autonomous units, is a further development in controlling a large body of persons or everthing inside a large space, by very few people, or by something that's not a person.

Apart from this initiative to curb invasive technology, and the use of it, why is there not even a discussion about autonomous units? Or about artificial intelligence?

Seems important to me.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:15 | 3258546 Freddie
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F SkyNet! .

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:28 | 3258030 ShakaZulu
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As Bill Gates looks out his 50 gabillion dollar home drone free picture window thinking, "There's more than one way to skin a cat."

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:30 | 3258034 Bunga Bunga
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Will the federal drones respect the city law and turn just around at the city's border?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:52 | 3258091 NoWayJose
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Not a chance. Homeland security drones will be able to go anywhere anytime to protect us from something or other. All this did was kill the city program.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:31 | 3258036 whoopsing
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I wonder what the scrap value for a drone is


Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:46 | 3258078 IridiumRebel
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Ask the Iranians.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:32 | 3258044 q99x2
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And, with each action like this millions wake up.

Very good news.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:39 | 3258058 Decolat
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Someone get a RC hoverdrone with a camera, a sign that says 'trust us it's for your own safety', and peek through windows of people who support this horseshit.


Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:45 | 3258076 Reptil
Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:47 | 3258081 JuicedGamma
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Drones should be regulated out of all skies. They are the epitome of lazy thinking and a very poorly conceived foreign policy.

Maybe John Kerry will do better, one can hope? Oh forgot hope and change was just a slogan.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:50 | 3258085 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Drone unto others, as others Drone unto to you.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:09 | 3258321 espirit
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You mean like an anti drone - drone?

I think I could probably market that idea.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:58 | 3258098 Pure Evil
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It's all meaningless. State and local laws may stop state and local governments from using drones, but the Feds own the airspace over the US.

From Wikipedia:

In the United States, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has the sole authority to control all airspace, exclusively determining the rules and requirements for its use. Typically, in the "Uncontrolled" category of airspace, any pilot can fly any aircraft as low as he or she wants, subject to the requirement of maintaining a 500-foot (150 m) distance from people and man-made structures except for purposes of takeoff and landing, and not causing any hazard. Therefore, it appears to trump any individually claimed air rights, near airports especially.

Specifically, the Federal Aviation Act provides that: "The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States."[1] The act defines navigable airspace as "airspace above the minimum altitudes of flight…including airspace needed to ensure the safety in the takeoff and landing of aircraft."[2]

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:03 | 3258302 MillionDollarBoner_
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Come on Texas...secede already. Once one state tells the fuckers where to get off, others will follow and soon it will be an avalanche.

Oh, and when you do it, remember to repudiate "your share" of the federal debt. "You didn't make that" so why should you honour it?

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 21:58 | 3258104 NoWayJose
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I can see it now, 'green' grants from Obama to use drones to study global warming and to spy on the evil corporations polluting the planet.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:07 | 3258132 Herkimer Jerkimer
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If we aren't careful, you will be remembering, 20 years from now, how you watched the unfolding of a civil war, as more and more states and places, start waking up and banning this and other activities, in a tit-for-tat rebutal to what is seen as the over-stepping of the federal mandate.

The feds need to be very, very careful.

This is some serious shit.



Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:11 | 3258147 yogibear
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Would have made good skeet/drone shooting.  

They should put a bullseye underneath it as a challenge.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:26 | 3258198 Oldwood
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I'm not so sure about drones but there are manned airplanes flying over my house every few minutes and have been doing it for years. I know I'm in the flight path for the airport but I just know they are watching me. I can feel their eyes like wet peaches staring down at me!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:33 | 3258208 sitenine
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Just to be cynical - Are we erecting freedom zones? Maybe they can use it as an advertising slogan too, "live in _______, we wont spy on you with drones." Or even more far fetched, 'the administration' recognizes that we don't want their fucking drones flying over us and they give up on the idea.

I thought Charlottesville was a fluke, and this is one occasion where I am extremely happy to be wrong. Go Seattle. Someone needs to stand up to the tyranny, because it sure as hell ain't going away on its own.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:30 | 3258213 Biggieshort
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Wow. a whole city populated by "terrorists"....SEND IN THE DRONES!

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:47 | 3258260 Oldwood
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Like gun control, i fear ultimately all they will end up doing is making sure citizens will never own one.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:47 | 3258263 Yes_Questions
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" that SPD can focus its resources on public safety and the community building work that is the department’s priority. The vehicles will be returned to the vendor"


Oh snap.  I hope that vendor doesn't employ one of those mean Paul Sorvino looking guys like in Bullworth.



Tue, 02/19/2013 - 22:48 | 3258267 conspicio
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So I wonder at what point the drone activity becomes an interference with the enjoyment and use of my property? Because, takings law, bitchez. Federal airspace starts (class E) at 1,200 feet AGL. Helos can use airspace below that if not causing a hazard to persons or property on the ground. So what will civilian drones be subject to follow? No one knows, just yet. But I will bet that it will allow a height so low it can sniff a rat fart on a windy night.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:59 | 3258303 ISEEIT
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Seattle is interesting. Kinda like North Korea but just a bit different. The natives are full political retard and yet seem to have a certain adversity to subjecting themselves to the same moronic lunacy that they deem entirely appropriate for all the 'other' people. This might be yet another sign of an impending choke point for more than a few of the useful idiots.

Once they come for YOU......Shit begins to get real.

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 23:08 | 3258318 Boxed Merlot
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 multiple states are already moving to enact laws to strongly regulate the use of surveillance drones...


Reminds me of the joke Berkeley Ca pulled on the residents there...


"The City of Berkeley has posted signs at city limits proclaiming its nuclear free status. The ordinance specifies possible fines for such activities within its borders. At the time of the passage of the act, the University operated a nuclear reactor for research purposes, the Etcheverry Reactor, which it continued to operate after the act went into effect. The University of California, as a state institution, is not subject to Berkeley's municipal regulations, including the ban."...


Give me a break, someone evidently needed some headlines imo.  Like criminals are gonna start registering their guns.  More likely the armed forces are striking more medals of valor for the hotshots playing with their joysticks.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:04 | 3258442 bigrooster
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Fuck You Drone Brother!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:22 | 3258468 Kiwi Pete
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I wonder if Yeman will follow suit?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:32 | 3258487 ebworthen
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I was kind of looking forward to trying to shoot one of those damn things down, but better this way (I suppose).

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:52 | 3258584 They Tried to S...
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This is a political ruse - the Mayor is grandstanding - the vendor informed them in advance that they would not accept a return, 


So the Drones stay in Seattle .....but the sheep and the rest of the country think they have been returned. 


Don't believe the hype - the vender has already said all sales are final! NO REFUND FOR YOU!


PS: the WA ST. Department of Transportation still thinks they will use them.....they have great ideas for future surveillance under the ruse of Avalanche control....

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 01:54 | 3258595 jonjon831983
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In other news: "Ohio Plans Drones to Hunt Lost Kids as They Bring Jobs"

Now, they need to give medals for flying civie drones

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 04:23 | 3258699 AnAnonymous
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Freedom from... Cant wait for 'americans' to jump on that one, or maybe not, for they are 'americans'

More posturing from 'americans' as expected.

Keeping the face, keeping the face, freedom above all for the empire of Liberty.

Drones can fly high and who decides air space sovereignty? Funny huh? Trouble is that you cant bamboozle 'americans' about 'americanism'.
Incroaching of sovereign territory. And who does that? certainly not 'americans' working for the Federal government flying drones in the US air space...

'Americans' facing 'americanism'. How helpless they are. And they depict themselves as the last line to hold. JKC.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 05:34 | 3258735 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:


Still spamming your fastfood franchise Just Killed Cat? Pathetic.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 08:28 | 3258836 AnAnonymous
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And one could guess that franchise sells tons in your fantasy world.

In the mean time, in the real world, 'american' corporations do the selling job to please the 'american' middle class.

Fantasy, the last shelter for an 'american'.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 08:55 | 3258892 Atlas Crapped
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Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground
You in mid-air
Send in the drones ... where are the drones ... ther ought to be ... drones.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 09:19 | 3258933 Mi Naem
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I think it's great that Seattle, Charlottesville, and other local and state governments may restrict drone surveillance.  But they will not stop the Feds who claim all airspace under their control. 

Maybe these local governments shouldn't be so hasty to disarm what may be the closest thing to a non-federal air force they'll likely have access to for the foreseeable future.  Otherwise, who will stop the Fed's drones? 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 11:21 | 3259345 roadhazard
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Kudos to Charlottesville Va. Power to the People.

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