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Meet China's Housing Debt Slaves

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Think Americans are the only people in the world toiling under a gargantuan, and unrepayable, debtload, which at last check was a massive $55.3 trillion, or about $175K per person? Think again. Meet Sherry Sheng, a 29-year-old Shanghai policewoman, who bought herself a 4,000 yuan ($642) black fur jacket, splurging for the last time before she starts paying off the mortgage on her first home.

Sherry is what is known as a Chinese "housing slave."

Bloomberg explains:

Sheng is part of a generation of middle class that Chinese media has dubbed “fang nu,” or housing slaves, a reference to the lifetime of work needed to pay off their debts. They’re taking on mortgages even as the government maintains property curbs to damp prices that have almost tripled since China embarked in 1998 on a drive to increase private home ownership.

 

“It’s a treat for myself because I could never afford such a luxury after I start repaying my housing loans next month,” said Sheng, who paid 1.1 million yuan for the one-bedroom apartment on the city’s western outskirts and will be using about 70 percent of her salary to service her mortgage.

 

China’s growing middle class reaching for homeownership helped property prices rebound starting in the second half of last year. They rose 1 percent in January from December, the biggest gain in two years, according to real estate website SouFun Holdings Ltd. Home prices in Beijing and Shanghai each rose 2.3 percent from December.

 

Average per-square-meter prices in 100 cities tracked by SouFun are five times average monthly disposable incomes. A 100- square-meter (1,076-square-foot) apartment today costs about 40 years’ annual income, according to SouFun and government data, even as salaries have more than quadrupled since 1998.

 

Sheng was able to buy her 50-square-meter apartment after borrowing a combined 770,000 yuan through a 20-year mortgage from Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. and a 15-year loan from the local housing providence fund. Her parents helped with the 30 percent down payment. She will repay about 4,000 yuan a month for the home, a one-hour subway ride from central Shanghai’s historic Bund that cost 16 times her annual salary, based on the apartment price and her income.

 

Chinese homebuyers typically use 30 percent to 50 percent of their monthly incomes to repay mortgages, said Wu Hao, a manager at the loan brokerage of Bacic & 5i5j Group, Beijing’s second-biggest realtor for existing homes. It advises clients to keep monthly repayments lower than one-third of their incomes.

 

The “general guideline” among Chinese banks is that a borrower’s salary should be at least twice their monthly payment; otherwise they’ll be asked to submit proof of assets, such as property, cars, or insurance to show their ability to service the debt, Wu said. Using 70 percent of monthly income to pay the mortgage is “very rare,” she said.

Why do we bring this up? Because the Chinese housing bubble is now the biggest it has ever been; according to some it is even bigger on a relative basis compared to the US housing bubble (either in 2007 or 2013).

The property market has already “heated up,” while home prices in major cities may rise as much as 10 percent in the next three months, said Johnson Hu, a Hong Kong-based property analyst at CIMB-GK Securities Research, in an interview.

 

Loose monetary policy will drive housing prices and sales up in the near term, Hong Kong-based Jinsong Du, Credit Suisse Group AG’s head of property research, wrote in a report Feb. 18.

 

The new government may introduce more property curbs when it takes power in March. China may tighten credit policies for people buying a second home or raise the tax on gains on transactions of existing homes in the most affluent, or so- called tier-one cities, the China Securities Journal reported Feb. 1, citing an unidentified person.

 

Home sales in China’s 10 biggest cities almost quadrupled to 8.5 million square meters in the first five weeks from last year, property data and consulting firm China Real Estate Information Corp. said in an e-mailed statement Feb. 19.

Once it was tulips. Now, it's houses.

Chinese urban residents’ average disposable income rose 12.6 percent last year to 2,047 yuan a month, according to the statistics bureau. The average one-square-meter of new floor space cost 9,715 yuan in December, according to SouFun.

 

The shift to private home ownership stems from reforms started in 1998, when then Premier Zhu Rongji privatized state- owned housing provided at low rents to urbanites, transferring home ownership from the government to the families occupying the dwellings. About 230 million people moved to cities in the 2000- 2011 period, the biggest urbanization in history, according to the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

 

The idea of buying a property with borrowed money didn’t become popular until 2004 when home prices in major cities started rising fast enough to compensate for interest payments, enticing buyers to borrow to buy property, said Liu Yuan, a Shanghai-based researcher at Centaline Property Agency Ltd., China’s biggest real estate brokerage.

 

Today about 50 percent to 70 percent of home buyers in the first-tier cities of Shanghai, Beijing and Guangzhou use mortgages, borrowing an average 50 percent of a home’s value, according to Centaline.

Which is why, perhaps more even than the US, China is truly stuck between a rock and a hard place - on one hand it can not afford a real estate bubble pop as it would make the millions of debt slaves into millions of far poorer, deleveraging and in many cases, broke, debt slaves, and lead to the downfall of the financial system stuck holding mortgages that no longer generate cash flows. On the other hand, inflation is already resurgent, and as the recent halt to reverse repos shows, China is this close to a repeat of the spring of 2011, when it lost control of inflation, and had to demand that global central banks end their reflation effort for fears what hot money flows would do to its social stability.

Worst of all, however, is that in the pursuit of the great Chinese dream, more and more housing slaves will emerge, beholden to a insolvent system reliant on constantly creating over $100 billion in new liabilities (i.e., deposits) per month. Anything more than that, and you have hyperinflation; anything below that and you have a housing crash. And since Goldilocks only works for so long, when the PBOC finally veers off course, it will be the "Sherries" in China left holding the bag. A very empty bag.

 


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Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Mongo
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Shocking, absolutely shocking!

 

Check out Sweden. Massive housing bubble about to burst.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Kitler
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She's a cop with a gun and a taste for expensive furs in a country where corruption rules.

She'll make out OK.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Chinese urban residents’ average disposable income rose 12.6 percent last year to 2,047 yuan a month, according to the statistics bureau.

 

Exactly, what the fuck is "disposable income"??

So, let me get this straight, the Chinese still have 2000 a month in disposable income to "blow" on a house note?

Well, there's the problem, in the US, disposable income is negative...

Are we sure about the housing bubble over there?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:50 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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You know...money left over after inflexible expenses like food, shelter, and electricity...for optional stuff...like filtered gasmasks.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Stackers
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There are more vacant homes in Beijing than in the entire United States.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/beijing-alone-has-50-more-vacant-housing-us

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Lore
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That seems a bit misleading, like comparing apples to oranges:

1. The American numbers are understated (e.g., due to Shadow Inventory - millions of empty bank-owned properties sitting unlisted to avoid outright market collapse).

2. Driving through a big Chinese city, you don't see many of what we would call "homes." What you do see is millions upon millions of shitty multistorey shoebox apartments. So to say that Beijing has "millions of homes sitting empty" really means that there's an oversupply of apartments.  (Incidentally, stuffing people into shoeboxes is the Western city-transforming ideal of Agenda 21 greenshirts. They use phrases like "end of suburbia" and "walkable community" so it doesn't sound like a pigpen.)

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Here is a 1915 photo of the very walkable community of Saratoga Springs, NY (and I think this is what JHK is talking about):

http://www.shorpy.com/node/13251

(PS Do view full size)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Where are all the fat people?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment NumNutt
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Inside, playing on their Xbox....

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Old pictures of downtown Syracuse NY were equally impressive.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 04:49 | Link to Comment I only kill chi...
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Looks like it has a real Drug Store.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 05:04 | Link to Comment Lore
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Uh huh, The greenshirts dangle those tranquil shots from the turn of the last century, as though grassroots totalitarianism bears any relation to the libertarian constitutional past. It's not even a joke. It just seems perversely hypocritical.  Understand: AMERICA IS BEING DESTROYED BY PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW BETTER THAN MARKETS. GREENSHIRTS DON'T BELIEVE IN MARKETS.  THEY THINK THEY CAN DO BETTER THROUGH THE LOCAL CARBON POLITBURO.  The old horrors of history are dredged up and recycled "To Save the Planet" from the environmental equivalent of Al Qaeda.

READ IT AND WEEP: THE POST SUSTAINABLE FUTURE

It's so obvious to people who can think analogically. But our students are being dumbed down and turned into pseudo-religious zealots, not critical thinkers. 

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 05:49 | Link to Comment BorisTheBlade
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It's hard looking at pictures like this one to come to the conclusion that what has happenned to the urban environment and by extension to society in general can be referred to as 'progress'. Technology has surely improved and calculating capacity of all computers is now in excess of any human needs and what it's largely used for? Playing idiotic games, guiding missiles slaughtering people half way across the world? Fuck that. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against technology per se, but corresponding decline in HUMAN CULTURE has easily outdone all the good that technology could really bring. Fuck consumerism, it's a plague.

/ posted from my iphone

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Lore
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That's what happens when easy credit dictates what gets built. Discrimination goes out the window.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 04:50 | Link to Comment sodbuster
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Up the street on the porch is a dude pimpin' his ho's- Over by the drug store is a tweeker dealing meth out of his wagon- not much has changed, I guess.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment JuicedGamma
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Wow look at those elm trees. They're pretty rare now but before Dutch Elm Disease they were pervasive.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Lore
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They are beautiful.  'Ubiquitous' might be a better adjective. 'Pervasive' implies negativity.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 01:12 | Link to Comment Demonoid
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Try Detroit, 1915.

http://www.howardshollow.com/antiquepre1920Detroit/3.htm

Then look what a century of progress can do, based on a deep understanding of the mechanisms of wealth creation and how to strengthen them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/23/detroit-decline_n_813696.html#2...

They call it "ruin porn" now.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Demonoid
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And for dessert, here's a side-by-side comparison of the Packard car factory, then and now.

Wipe your mouse side-to-side over the photos to see the transition.

http://www.freep.com/article/20121202/NEWS01/120823062/The-Packard-Plant...|defcon|img|FRONTPAGE

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:52 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Walkable: adj   conducive to being crossed on foot without tanks interceding.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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When the Chinese go and work at factories, they usually live in dorms in size of an average bathroom, 6 at a time.  Some even co-ed.  They have shitters that are basically just holes in the ground.

Don't laugh......because....its THE future of Serfdom de Americana.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:49 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Dude, noboby should give a crap about the bailout. It's the "why" of the bailout, i.e. the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th and 17th Amendments which enslaved us!!!! BoA is just another shitpile being spray painted with gold Krylon.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Dan Conway
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Exactly.  Her debt service is 70% of her reported income.  And she is a she which are in short supply so she will be courted by several rich scheming guys looking for a princess with police connections. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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Wait until she wants to move or gets lung problems from the serious pollution there. Medical bills will eat the 30% left over after that whopper of a mortgage payment.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Medical treatment is free in China. So is college tuition, but you have to prove yourself first.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 10:13 | Link to Comment johnnylaw187
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Unfortunately for her, cops in China don't carry guns, so people have close to no respect for them.  They do make New Orleans' cops circa Katrina look like boy scouts though in the corruption department.    

Now when the claxon sounds at the local garrison, then it's on.  

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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Having a new world order has its privileges. IT's called ownership. Debt = owners= fuckyoufiststyleintheass. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Not home owner ship.  High level home renter.   Stop paying those taxes and it's gone.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Weyland_Yutani
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Agreed!

My friend recently sold his 30 sqm flat in central Stockholm for SEK 2,3 million. That is fucking ridiculous.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Holy crap. $365,000USD for a box ?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment bonzo112358
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Try 750k for a box and its actually pending.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Culver-City/4230-Revere-Pl-90232/home/6722472

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment W74
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That house doesn't look too bad, I'm actually looking for something like that but at abou 1/6th of the price here on the east coast.  You Califianians are pay some ridiculous prices for housing.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Move out of Yonkers.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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You nailed it, Mongo! Sweden is a bankster's paradise (apart from pushing for a cashless society [also this, though you'll need g00gle translator]) where you can borrow up to 85% of RE's value and choose not to pay off your principal as long as you pay interest to the banks... all the while those same banks must hold a capital reserve of 0,2% of issued loans.

Ah, Sweden, the next Spain...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:13 | Link to Comment Blond Viking
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Unfortunately I think you're right. I bought my flat (90 square metres in the centre of Stockholm) for SEK 1 million in 1993. Today it's worth about SEK 7 million (i.e. more than USD 1 million). It's going to get really ugly here, this is the early 1990s all over again.

 

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment GFKjunior
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But Bill Gates and the Economist said Sweden is the model the world should strive to be like?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment busternc333
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Calgon... Take me away.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment AldoHux_IV
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The new opium of the opium wars have been distributed upon the masses and that new opium is called leverage-- imported from the greatest minds of economics and academia. History repeating for those who seek not to learn but go full Bernanke with it.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment InTheLandOfTheBlind
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the truth of your statement makes me wonder why good ole opium isn't good enough anymore

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment JackT
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Hello Friends, come on in and make yourselves at home.  We're all in this one together, can I get you a drink?

BTW: She's making about $900/month

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:01 | Link to Comment harami
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Holy fuck, the US has a bunch of unemployed debt slaves and China is about to have a metric shit ton of their own, what could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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When a shit storm happens a lot of people get covered in it, even those who did not go out into the shit storm.  Just sayin...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:19 | Link to Comment InTheLandOfTheBlind
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one wonders if that fur coat was from a shit leopard

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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cat or dog..

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Hoory fuck! I carnot pray my hrome rone.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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those "housing slaves" mortgages are presumably at fixed rates however their party/state has fixed their growth and Yuan to the US dollar which is depreciating like a ripe bananna. 

70% of today's income is 50% next year, and drops 10% every year till its gone, 10 years from now her mortgage payments will be equal to one day's lunch.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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That's probably her wet dream.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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God knows it's mine.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Maos Dog
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LOLZ

Umm, what was that myth I kept hearing the last few years about the "China housing market is mostly in cash?"

 

"Unlike U.S. home buyers who took advantage of zero-down-payment loans in the mid-2000s, Chinese home buyers usually put down at least 20 percent or 30 percent, if they aren’t buying their homes outright with cash. This means it would take a far bigger drop in real estate prices to cause people to default on their loans and therefore destabilize the banking sector."

 

MYTH BUSTED!!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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RORZ

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:05 | Link to Comment Jason T
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Chinas GDP per capita is about 17% of US gdp per capita.  When it gets to 25%, china will be worlds largest economy... but they have a ways to go on productivity.  Productivity gains will lead to higher wages ..

 

Her wage increases will rise enough that the % of her income going to he mortgage will decline.

US wages are growing poorly due to vey poor labor productivity growth ..  

still not the best way to buy a house..

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:44 | Link to Comment gadzooks
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From the traditional sense this would be true,but the umongous sceam of overlayered yield coverages and massif overpopulation implications

says predictably that hyperinflation pressures will dominate over any attempt to aliviate by traditional mesures,the colonial perversion will crush

practicly everything over the mid to long term.... 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment slightlyskeptical
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If you go by the number of products they produce they have everyone beat by a landslide.  Prices are much lower in China. Put their production into retail price terms and they have everyone beat by a large margin.

 

China is #1....Fuck Bernanke!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:06 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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debt money is the new OPIUM

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment razorthin
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I guess she never got her hands on a translated 2007 WSJ.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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My dad in his infinite wisdom gave me a few rules of life. One was never let your mortgage exceed 25% of your gross income. Thanks dad , I'm forever grateful.

Miffed:-)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment razorthin
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I couldn't buy an Amish-made shed for that.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Well, many of our McMansion friends call our house on a country dirt road an Amish shed but we love it. Our base mortgage is $1000/ month ( we pay 2000 to pay it off sooner) they pay $3-4k/ month. The catch? I must drive 42 miles to work. At least mr miffed can telecommute. Homes in our area are roughly going for the same price when we bought 10 years ago. If one is into the "impress your neighbors " type of lifestyle our house would not suit.

Miffed:-)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Awh shucks. Everyone knows that the people are going to rise and imprison the banksters. They stole our money to begin with. Time we take it back.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Good one.

+1 funny

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Who want dim sum?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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The sad reality in China, is that if you want "the girl" you have to "buy the house/apartment".   Families will frequently prevent their daughters from marrying a guy (even if they are madly in love) if the guy not only can't afford "the apartment" but if he can't afford one of acceptable square footage.

The good part of this phenomena is that boys grow up knowing that they have to get a job and work to "get the girl". 

The bad part is that they become debt slaves.

The good part....is that when Chinese get mad because their property values drop by 70%, they will start thowing rocks.  Lots of rocks.  Unlike American's that will just cower in the corner and ask for a new saviour.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Dan Conway
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Her solution = husband + inflation + police graft.  Problem solved.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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When my daughter lived in Shanghei for a year she told me the women she met had a saying that went something like " marry for money... Love will follow". She always felt American women were gold diggers but the Chinese women have raised it to new levels. I asked a Chinese friend of mine if this really was true and she confirmed it, especially in the younger generation.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Why shouldn't they be choosy? They are a scarce commodity.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:54 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Never marry for money; you'll earn every last fucking penny.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:31 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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+10

and never accept a job you hate. You will earn every last fucking penny and drive everyone around you nuts.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Back up to me lady, so I can put you in a full nelson.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Kayman
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"Back up to me" 

Wasn't that Father Nelson ?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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If 70% of your salary going towards a mortgage is considered "middle class", then we are truly and terminally fucked.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment wcvarones
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Hey, at least they're not blowing it on useless college eductations!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment AGuy
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"Hey, at least they're not blowing it on useless college eductations!"

First comes the Housing Bubble, then the Student Loan Bubble.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Not Housing but Apartmenting Slaves.  The Chinese Commies learned from their American commardes that mortgages make people socially docile in the age of consumerdom.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:29 | Link to Comment hannah
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those dumb fuck chinese actually make mortgage payments..?! americans dont and look at all the consumer goodies we can buy with the money. paying for things is so last century....

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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How many apartments/condo's are empty , unfinished speculative purchases? 30% ? 40% ? %50% ? .. more? ... When China crashes it's going to auger in like a jet in a dive...

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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You are forgetting that China has over 10x the population of the US and many are more educated than college grads in the US. They also have free health care, free tuition for college and a huge surplus on their FX roles. They are legions ahead of the west in many areas that count...so don't count them out. To do so would be a mistake.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 02:08 | Link to Comment hannah
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if the chinese are sooooo fucking smart, how come they work to make shit that we pay for with credit that we never pay back....?!?!?!?!? i would say the usa is 'winning' this one. let them work all day. i'll get up at noon and go buy one of their iphones and then maybe take a nap.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 04:03 | Link to Comment kareninca
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Yeah, and when toddlers are run over in the road in China, drivers just keep going by.  No-one stops.  Remember that video?  Part of the reason was that no-one wanted to bring him to the hospital, because they'd be charged for it.  Not to mention arrested, since the Chinese police are so stupid/corrupt that they assume that a Good Samaritan must be the culprit (just like in India).

Free health care, ha ha.  What I've read is that Chinese people save so diligently because if you don't hand over the cash the moment you enter the hospital, they boot you out.

But I count them out because they abort their baby girls, and leave them to die in the street (that's where my adopted niece was found, on a January day).  My husband has a student from China; she just told us that there are entire towns in China that are occupied solely by the single guys who have given up on marrying, since so many of the baby girls were killed.  She was not joking.  I have not seen that anywhere in print, but I assure you that she was not joking.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:47 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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double post .. oops...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment nasa
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She had to buy herself a fur coat?  She must look like the Chinese version of Janet Reno.   

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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Ah well, better then some fur cape.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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As said, we havn't seen nothing yet.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment stopcpdotcom
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Life was so much simpler when China was communist.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Hi Sherry ! I'm the Hulk and I'm here to help !!! Wink, Wink !!!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment uranian
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Once it was tulips. Now, it's houses.

 

nice summary in 7 words.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment titty sprinkles
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Sorry, duplicate

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment titty sprinkles
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I can't math this time of night.  Can we get some currency conversions?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment W74
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When was that Canada bubble supposed to burst?

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Floodmaster
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Nation-wide ponzi scheme need credulous people, Canada can be defined as a banker's paradise.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment headless blogger
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I heard Evelyn de Rothschild recently talking in an interview and he was praising China up and down and down and up.

They're just after these Chinese people's money. They are busy turning 1 billion Chinese people into American-Style idiot debt slaves, which then gives the Rothschild types plenty of grazing ground.

The Rothschilds, et al, got it all wrong, though. This is going to back-fire on all of them big time. It will not only bring the West down, but its going to likely wipe out their own families too.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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And the world is banking on the Chinese consumer......  rather hard to consume much when most of your salary goes towards home and car payments

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Zero-risk bias
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After 70% (4000RMB ) of a 5714RMB salary goes to a mortgage?

200RMB utilities / mth ... 200RMB food / mth = 1114 RMB /mth or 278 RMB / week

Although people mention that there is a healthcare system in China, like quite a few countries in the world. People still need to pay tax. I know people here, some earn less than 3000, and still need to pay a few hundred tax a month, for social security. It ain't free for many, (Maybe that's payed by her employer?)

Which leaves... 0 RMB, (or need of someone to pay your bills, Louis Vuitton, Channel fur coats, Valentines cards, and shit).

 


 


 

 

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 04:19 | Link to Comment Edward Fiatski
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Ants will be ants.

ROW HARDER, PEASANTS!

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