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Titan CEO Crushes Socialist "Work Ethic", Tells France "You Can Keep Your So-Called Workers"

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Update: FRANCE'S MONTEBOURG TELLS TAYLOR REMARKS `IGNORANT, INSULTING' - And now we know Taylor was spot on.

The French industry minister is not amused. The CEO of US tire-maker Titan International has explained to the French unions (who think he belongs in an asylum) why his company is not interested in any deal - noting "you can keep your so-called workers," adding that he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day. Maurice 'Grizz' Taylor went 'postal' at the suggestion his company invest in France: "Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs." His truth-filled reality letter concluded: How stupid do you think we are? Titan is the one with the money and the talent to produce tires. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government." The flustered Frenchman refrained from immediate reply but gallicly noted, "Don’t worry, there will be a response; it's better written down." Indeed, just as long as its not the labor minister.

Via The Globe And Mail,

The CEO of a U.S. tire maker has delivered a crushing summary of how some outsiders view France’s work ethic in a letter saying he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day.

 

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The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours. They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three and work for three,” Taylor wrote on Feb. 8 in the letter in English to the minister, Arnaud Montebourg.

 

“I told this to the French union workers to their faces. They told me that’s the French way!” Taylor added in the letter, which was posted by business daily Les Echos on its website and which the ministry confirmed was genuine.

 

“Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs,” he said. “You can keep the so-called workers.”

 

Socialist President Francois Hollande might take some comfort in Taylor’s view of his own country’s business policies: “The U.S. government is not much better than the French,” he said, referring to a dispute over Chinese exports.

 

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The minister refrained from an immediate reply: “”Don’t worry, there will be a response,” Montebourg told reporters on Wednesday after meeting Hollande. “It’s better written down.”

 

Union leaders were less cautious. CGT official Mickael Wamen said Taylor belonged more “in an asylum” than the boardroom of a multinational company.

 

Taylor’s comments are the latest blow to France’s image after verbal attacks last year by Montebourg on firms seeking to shut ailing industrial sites prompted international mockery.

 

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Talks with Titan over a possible purchase of the plant’s farm tire section fell through last September after a failure to reach a deal with the CGT union on voluntary redundancies.

 

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His letter to Montebourg accuses the French government of “doing nothing” in the face of Chinese competition.

 

“Sir, your letter states that you want Titan to start a discussion. How stupid do you think we are?” he wrote. “Titan is the one with the money and the talent to produce tires. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government.”

And for purity's sake, here is the full letter itself (highlights ours):

February 8, 2013

 

Mr. Arnaud Montebourg
Ministere Du Redressement
Productif
139 rue de Bercy
Teledoc 136
75572 Paris cedes 12

 

Dear Mr. Montebourg:

 

I have just returned to the United States from Australia where I have been for the past few weeks on business; therefore, my apologies for not answering your letter dated 31 January 2013.

 

I appreciate your thinking that your Ministry is protecting industrial activities and jobs in France. I and Titan have a 40-year history of buying closed factories and companies, losing millions of dollars and turning them around to create a good business, paying good wages. Goodyear tried for over four years to save part of the Amiens jobs that are some of the highest paid, but the French unions and French government did nothing but talk.

 

I have visited that factory a couple of times. The French workforce gets paid high wages but works only three hours. They get one hour for breaks and lunch, talk for three and work for three. I told this to the French union workers to their faces. They told me that's the French way!

 

You are a politician so you don't want to rock the boat. The Chinese are shipping tires into France — really all over Europe — and yet you do nothing. The Chinese government subsidizes all the tire companies. In five years, Michelin won't be able to produce tires in France. France will lose its industrial business because its government is more government.

 

Sir, your letter states that you want Titan to start a discussion. How stupid do you think we are? Titan is the one with the money and the talent to produce tires. What does the crazy union have? It has the French government. The French farmer wants cheap tires. He does not care if the tires are from China or India and these governments are subsidizing them. Your government doesn't care either: "We're French!"

 

The U.S. government is not much better than the French. Titan had to pay millions to Washington lawyers to sue the Chinese tire companies because of their subsidizing. Titan won. The government collects the duties. We don't get the duties, the government does.

 

Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs. You can keep the so-called workers. Titan has no interest in the Amien North factory.

 

Best regards,

Maurice M. Taylor, Jr

Chairman and CEO

Source pdf

 

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Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:45 | 3259801 Overfed
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WTF? You mean you expect us to work for our money?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:46 | 3259811 Popo
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The French are just a few short years away from discovering that they're peasants.    At which point one must hope that they re-live the only moment in history when they weren't a bunch of lazy asshats and drag the bankers from their homes to meet madame guillotine.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:49 | 3259823 Fish Gone Bad
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Moar Hoarse!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:50 | 3259825 CH1
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A corp boss with balls.... didn't know any of those remained.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:56 | 3259846 SafelyGraze
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send more of that manufacturing work to the us, where an increasing number of employes work for less than a dollar per hour

http://doc.sd.gov/documents/InmatePay.pdf

the pay is low, but at least the food is terrible. what? did you say something to me?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:02 | 3259863 hedgeless_horseman
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Nunc est bibendum!  Because in socialist France, someone else will always pick up l'addition.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:05 | 3259891 TruthInSunshine
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Bernanke should just use conjured-for-free digitized fiat to pay the workers in France.

That way, this Titan CEO can obtain even lower labor costs than in China or India, French workers are fully employed & compensated for a 15 hour full time work week, and everyone is happy-- I think everyone...

What could go wrong? I can't think of any adverse, ripple consequences from this very easy and straightforward solution.

Bernanke can fix everything with his awesome set of MMT tools.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:44 | 3260110 Shizzmoney
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Bernanke isn't an MMT'er.....because for that to be true, the money printed would actually have to hit the people's HANDS.

Printing for banks isn't an economic policy - it's institutional hegemony that in reality, is akin to a cannibal eating his own flesh.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:55 | 3260174 TuesdayBen
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How do you say 'ouch' in French?  And 'we're so fucked'?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:15 | 3260283 TerminalDebt
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if I have to work 7 hrs a day when will I find time to read ZH?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:15 | 3260470 TruthInSunshine
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+1

Or better yet, on Facefuck, or tweeting my exact activity & location minute by minute (to 3 unknown followers), instead.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:24 | 3260332 homonohumanus
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Who cares? I would say (and it applies to most occidental countries at this point":

L'important c'est pas la chute mais l'atterrissage"... :(

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:43 | 3260411 Conax
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Sacrebleu!!  On est foutus!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:56 | 3260177 NotApplicable
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Well, it isn't like there's any valid practitioner of MMT. Rather, there's merely theoretical masturbation in the form of sophistry in order to create a facade of legitimacy for them all.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:52 | 3260131 The Juggernaut
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Keep your stupid fucking workers lol.

 

Best regards,

The Truth

 

LOL this would also be a great letter to American soclialists.  Those fucking idiots.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:59 | 3260192 NotApplicable
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Just think, if they let us keep the fruits of our own labor, perhaps people might have an incentive to produce, rather than be just another leech keeping a chair warm in a pretend job in a pretend economy.

As always, we pretend to work, while they pretend to pay us.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:24 | 3260664 MachoMan
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True, but on the plantation, your incentive to work is that you don't get whipped, killed, or raped...  the ability to receive the fruits of your labor is solely dependent upon your ability to bargain...  and more likely than not, the result of collective bargaining given your individual bargaining power is lacking...

The incentive to produce is largely a function of the effort involved...  where the world economy is more and more established, viable innovation becomes harder and harder to achieve...  at some point, entrenched players become practically unknockoutable...

If you were allowed to have the fruits of your labor, then you would be dangerous because that might allow you to compete...  and competition is to be avoided at all times...  therefore, you may not keep the fruits of your labor. 

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 08:55 | 3262679 jerry_theking_lawler
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there will not be too much more bargaining by governments....they will simply enact 'trade' sanctions and tariffs to favor their countries buesinesses.

as we all know, this will be the last step before all out war.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:05 | 3260533 Not Too Important
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"Bernanke should just use conjured-for-free digitized fiat to pay the workers in France."

Aren't we already doing that?

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:12 | 3259915 eatthebanksters
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The time is near for the lies to be exposed and the fraudsters for what they really are...the moochers and the looters and the flock they have taught so well to live off the teet of the folks who are successfule will soon realize what every animal in nature knows, if you don't carry your load you will starve.  Before the total collapse you can be sure that the wealthy people will be exploited and marched down the streets to the guillotines...better for the moochers and the looters to blame someone, anyone, but themselves. The last lie will be to blame the very people who worked hard to create the jobs that the sheeple need...when those people are no longer around to build the world, the final lie will be exposed and the world will go through a very painful restructuring.  My advice to anyone with real money...put it in a very safe place and get out of Dodge....Midas' Valley would be a great place.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:18 | 3259949 Cortez the Killer
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why is this the bankers fault?

the french people are greedy and lazy and elect politicians that serve their interests (right, America?)

natural law is a bitch, and titan's CEO saying fuck you to the frogs isnt surprising at all.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:23 | 3259977 Badabing
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Jew ne comprends pas
Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:57 | 3259983 TruthInSunshine
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Think of France as Paulson/Bernanke/Geithner/Summers thought of (or at least CLAIMED TO have thought of) AIG, or Citi, or...take your pick.

If France's economy continues to plunge, then asteroid 2012 DA14 immediately comes circling back around and does a direct hit on planet earth, according to financial and banking institutions.

It is only by taxing the actually productive taxpayers (i.e anyone who doesn't work for or own a major financial or private banking entity that can get cost-free fiat to gamble...I mean "invest" and "loan") more thusly while putting their children and future children into even more odious loads of debt that France can be saved, thus saving the whole system, even if living standards for the overwhelming majority take a big shit (which cause these people to pare back consumption dramatically, leading to an even bigger crisis than if France had been allowed to actually experiencing what used to be thought of as normalhealthy contractionary periods to flush out the toxic debt, excess malinvestment and get back to equilibrium - a thought process experiment of another time, when there weren't geniuses like Bernanke that could eliminate the downward moves in cycles of economic activity).

But I'm not sure if this answers your question, assuming I'm even correct. What was the question again?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:41 | 3260417 marathonman
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Normal healthy contractionary periods to get back to equilibrium are long gone.  We all know Mises was right - there is no means of avoiding the bust at the end of the credit expansion, just whether its by giving it up or destroying the currency.  ZH'ers know that the dollar is doomed, by hook or by crook, the Democrats / Republicans / banksters will make sure of it.  The mountain of malinvestment in the US and the west is so high that society will collapse when the credit expansion stops.  Society will collapse when the dollar goes bust.  Those are the choices.  Of course they will try to distract us with a really big slogging war to take our attention from the shit sandwiches they've been serving everyone.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:30 | 3260016 otto skorzeny
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I would respect this guy if he built the company-but who the fuck is going to buy his expensive tires if the chink building them is making a buck a day you fucking race-to-the-bottom idiot?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:37 | 3260065 fourchan
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cant beat a chinese slave state.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:42 | 3260102 MagicHandPuppet
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"Let them eat Cake!"

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:08 | 3260243 zuuma
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Let them eat TYRES!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:46 | 3260444 TerminalDebt
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The one left holding the most fake money wins

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:53 | 3260479 TruthInSunshine
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It should become clearer (for those who didn't previously know) why the ObaMao Administration slapped a big 'ole trade tarriff on Chinese tire exporters prior to his re-election campaign. Gotta' shore up those union base votes.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:03 | 3260530 HondaFullOfSilver
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I don't know, maybe someone at Accuride was a generous campaign contributor?   It's abundantly clear that protectionism does nothing but create higher prices for all, for the benefit of people who probably could and should be replaced with more pliant labor.  

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:34 | 3261204 The Heart
Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:09 | 3260248 Raymond Reason
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Right, until we become an American slave state.  De-centraliztion is the only solution.  Worldwide revolutions. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:56 | 3260493 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Certainly harder to beat an economy where the Chinese govt subsidizes all of the tire companies. But that has a finite lifespan too, regardless of any current surpluses. So the guy mentioned it cost him millions to sue so the Chinese would have to pay a duty in the US. So is the real bitch the lazy western workers, or the even lazier govts who don't raise duties to protect their local industries?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:15 | 3260619 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Certainly harder to beat an economy where the Chinese govt subsidizes all of the tire companies. But that has a finite lifespan too, regardless of any current surpluses. So the guy mentioned it cost him millions to sue so the Chinese would have to pay a duty in the US. So is the real bitch the lazy western workers, or the even lazier govts who don't raise duties to protect their local industries?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:15 | 3260620 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Certainly harder to beat an economy where the Chinese govt subsidizes all of the tire companies. But that has a finite lifespan too, regardless of any current surpluses. So the guy mentioned it cost him millions to sue so the Chinese would have to pay a duty in the US. So is the real bitch the lazy western workers, or the even lazier govts who don't raise duties to protect their local industries?

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 06:10 | 3262534 Tango in the Blight
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Oh yes you can. There are now robots whixh cost even less than a chinese sweatshop worker. Within the next decade most people will lose their jobs. If you work consists mostly of repetitive motions it can be programmed and be done better and cheaper by a machine. Only the creative people and the wealthy who benefit from the machine's labor will be able to eat, the rest will starve off and die.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:44 | 3260421 Diogenes
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who the fuck is going to buy his expensive tires if the chink building them is making a buck a day you fucking race-to-the-bottom idiot?

 

Every farmer in France. You heard him. The French will not only buy the tires because they are cheap, they will get an extra thrill out of screwing their neighbors out of a few centimes.

If you don`t know that, you don`t know the French.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:10 | 3260849 eatthebanksters
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The guy getting paid in China is making more than the guy not getting paid in America.  The workers in China are putting money back into a growing economy which will ultimately result in more jobs, better pay and a higher standard of living.  Life is about competition...if you're lazy you lose.  It ain't easy, no one said it was supposed to be.  If you didn't have a govenrment that gave shit away (by taking from hard workers) what would you do?  Sit under a tree and starve?  Fuck, get up and work, be a productive part of society.  Lastly, when I support hard working rich people please don't mistake that for supporting immoral or corrupt business people or bankers.  I will tell you there are WAY more honest hard working people that have built their own businesses than there are rats on Wall Street...you can poison the rats...I'm talking about the people who built America.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:10 | 3261099 Umh
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The same people who buy the other cheap goods.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:47 | 3260126 Panafrican Funk...
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If it involves productive work in exchange for fractionally reserved paper fiat, it is the bankers fault for any resultant market fuckups.  This should be obvious by now.     

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:53 | 3260164 NotApplicable
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Without the aid of the banksters, the French would've discovered the impossiblilty of their lifestyle long, long ago.

Banksters and colonialism go hand in hand.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:06 | 3260233 Anusocracy
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The bankers are world class thieves.

The French people are petty thieves.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:46 | 3260124 WTF_247
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You should realize that this theory only works if the moochers and looters are a minority of the population.  Once they are the majority, cutting them off = riots and revolution because they have a sense of entitlement based off of history.  Good luck with trying to reason with them - having no money/food/housing all a sudden makes people desperate and drastic measures are the norm.

Unfortunately the way most of the world is going this is going to be the end game - as has often been repeated - the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.  That has already happened for the most part - govt's are now making up for it by printing money.  Once that starts to have negative consequences (and it will), the end game is in play.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:32 | 3260370 billsykes
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The french have always had a issue with balance, look at Versailles - made to out do his finance minister, built on the backs of taxpayers. 

France is so fucked right now, there is only so much chinese dumb money out there to prop up commercial real estate, all the other industries are screwed competitive wise even in their own country. 

The only way I see France coming back 360, is with a complete collapse of the economy, leading to civil uprising or a mass external mobilizing event to whip up nationalism and industry (war). 

Its too bad, very pretty country and nice people, if the bankers get their way in owning everything- it will be like a sarajevo or moscow like shittyness, try driving down the street in a shithole and feel the "joie de vivre" (joy of living)

(if you have never been, like driving in any city in mexico- not fun)

 

One of the problems with banker (WWO) mentality is that there is no middle ground for social improvements with no tagible ROI, this is why you have little greenspace, crappy build to spec buildings, shrinking social programs, lack of social cohesiveness (too many immigrants not integrating).

BUT there has to be a balance between that and full on socialism because neither works in the long (50yrs+) run and both really turn out the same in the end. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:01 | 3260812 eatthebanksters
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I look at the down arrows and am amazed at how so many won't see the truth...there is an old saying that I like, it goes like this,"You don't have to make your decisions based upon reality, but you do have to live with the consequences."  For all those socialists who gave me a down arrow let me ask you a simple question:  what happens when the output of a group falls below what is required to sustain the group? (France)  Then, here's the next question:  why would anyone work hard when the fruits of their labor are taken away and given to those who won't work (hard)?  And last question:  if the government is willing to give you so much for free, why would you work at all?  If you are honest with the answers to these questions (all of which revolve around basic human nature - which no system will change) you will have to admit that socialism/communism will fail everywhere it exists today, just as it failed behind the iron curtain 25 years ago.  Go figure...and when your supply of nuts for the winter runs out, don't come to this hardworking squirrel.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:09 | 3259902 SafelyGraze
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http://www.unicor.gov/about/faqs/faqsgeneral.cfm

and there's still plenty of "labor reserve" left untapped

Number of Workers: 14,200
Percent of Eligible Population Employed: 8%
Employment Goal: 25%
Pay Rates: 23 cents to $1.15 per hour

plus, diverse areas of expertise

Clothing & Textiles: Military Items and Apparel, Protective Clothing for Law Enforcement, Mattressess, Linens, and Embroidery and Screen Printing, Medical Textiles, Gloves, Textile Repair, and Custom Made Draperies.

Electronics Products: Braided Cable Assemblies, Circuit Boards, Electrical Cables & Cord Assemblies, Electrical Connectors, Molded Power Cables, Outdoor Lighting Systems/Flood Lights, Power Distribution Systems, Repair Services for Electrical Components and Wire Harness Assemblies.

Fleet Management & Vehicular Components: Fleet Vehicle & Vehicular Component Remanufacturing, Fleet Vehicle Upfitting (New & Retrofitting) and Fleet Management Services.

Industrial Products: Prescription & Non-Prescription Safety Eyewear, Shelving, Traffic and Safety Signage, License Plates, Dorm & Quarters Furniture, Promotional Awards and Gifts, Air Filters, Perimeter Fencing, Catwalks & Mezzanines, and Architectural Signage.

Office Furniture: Systems Furniture, Seating, Office Furniture, Filing & Storage products.

Recycling: computer and electronic equipment. UNICOR is ISO-9001:2008 certified. The environmentally sound processing of computer and electronic equipment, health and safety of our workers is paramount. We have a "no landfill" policy, therefore, every part and/or component is reused or recycled.

Services: Data Services, Printing & Bindery, Contact Center/Help Desk Support, Reverse Logistics and Distribution.

http://www.unicor.gov/products_services/index.cfm

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:11 | 3259908 SafelyGraze
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and coming soon to UNICOR -- 

(drumroll) ..

finacial services and investment advice (limited to inmates in nyc correctional facilities)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:04 | 3260221 NotApplicable
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Long ago, I worked for an electric utility that UNICOR tried to sell it's services to for digitizing our maps.

And people say that the war on drugs is a failure...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:59 | 3259865 tbone654
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Is money/wage not just one form of a placeholder for work effort?  In fact while there are other rewards for work effort, money/wages only comes from work effort...  Or central planning these days...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:10 | 3259898 TruthInSunshine
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The first thing any person who's been exposed to textbook economics in the west, east, north or south should do is unlearn the economics they were "taught."

Sorry, Economists: The Crisis is a Huge Problem for Your Discipline
Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:11 | 3259911 GeezerGeek
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In the US many are well compensated for their efforts - in the voting booth. Free phone, food, cheap housing - all for only a couple of votes once every 2 or 4 years.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:38 | 3260055 TruthInSunshine
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"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -Alexis de Tocqueville

(Ritholtz's QOTD, his first positive contribution to society in about 5 years.)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:07 | 3260846 Nick Jihad
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Yes, it's a very curious inversion - foreign people have to offer you a fair deal for your dollar, but your fellow citizens can rob you and you have no recourse. Just be glad they aren't shipping you off to the Gulag, i guess.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:25 | 3259985 paterphysi
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Yeah it is all the fault of the poors isn't it? Let's leave those titans of industry alone!!! God, you are all dopes and dupes for the rich. They could give a fuck about you and would just has happily walk all over you as they are doing with workers. But hey, you all would be glad to be fucked in the ass by them, won't you? After all it is their right in the order of things.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:31 | 3260367 Anusocracy
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I can see through the fog. The problem is, and always has been, government. Not the stupid poor or the evil rich, but government.

What do you see?

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:46 | 3260442 shovelhead
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I require a kiss and a reach around too!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:35 | 3260046 otto skorzeny
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wait til you have to commit a crime on purpose to get a 10 cents an hour job in prison-but then the Jews own the prisons-so where does that leave you?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:55 | 3260490 TruthInSunshine
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It really does depend on whether the citizenry agrees to surrender their weaponry in exchange for "security."

Just ask Greeks (or Egyptians....or Libyans....or on and on...)

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:52 | 3259833 nope-1004
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These French workers should just do what comes natural when being pushed by a CEO who threatens to take his manufacturing to a country that pays less than 1/10 their wage:  Strike!!  C'mon.  Get outside, stand around the burning barrell and sing.  You'll really send a message to the CEO.

lol

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:16 | 3259932 eatthebanksters
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You forgot to mention the wine....they always drink wine when they sing

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:03 | 3260212 He_Who Carried ...
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Gold is crashing today.

If 1560.- does not hold, then where will it stop....?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:05 | 3260230 fonzannoon
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who cares? Weak hands baby.....everybody out!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:20 | 3260315 ParkAveFlasher
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Shut the fuckin mint down.  Shut it down, baby.  Daddy's backin' up the Brinks.  I'm back in the game, bitchez.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:44 | 3260432 Al Huxley
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Damn straight - at these prices, more for me, thanks paper traders.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:44 | 3260427 Optimusprime
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Perfect breasts.  Whose?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:50 | 3259826 Martin T
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As long as we drag the politicians with the bankers along, I am cool with that...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:53 | 3259841 toys for tits
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When that happens the government will be rethinking their support of the unions.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:55 | 3259852 YuropeanImbecille
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I always hated the french, and I am happy that their Jew president "hollande" is destroying their whole fucking disgusting country :)

 

 

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:38 | 3260067 john39
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looks a lot like what the money changers are doing to the U.S...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:18 | 3260305 Raymond Reason
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The french are still pissed about english becoming the reserve language. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:10 | 3261102 FrankDrakman
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Wait until it becomes Mandarin.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 22:15 | 3261956 Frankie Carbone
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Cold day in hell before I learn to speak Chink.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:13 | 3259919 Antifaschistische
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Don't worry....we'll raise the minimum wage in the US and feel good about ourselves.   That way, we will effectively employ 100,000 Chinese to make our tires also...because someone thinks that hiring all those Chinese is better than paying our massively unemployed youth $4 per/hour.   It's much better to let them all sit at home and play video games, or borrow $40k to take some classes at the University of NoFutureJob to keep them hopeful for a few years before reality sets in.

ps. I have nothing at all against Chinese workers.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:21 | 3259965 eatthebanksters
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Yes, while unemployment goes up at home, we ship jobs and dollars overseas to help other countries grow their economies.  The libtards will say that $4 per hour isn't enough to live on...well, if you're already living at home or getting government support, it helps and when you add it all up its lots of money back into our economy...that revs things up, demand goes up, production goes up, competition to hire skilled workers increases and wages go up.  Wow!  If you want to kill an economy, establish a high minimum wage.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:38 | 3260403 Anusocracy
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If you want to kill an economy, establish a government.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:11 | 3261110 FrankDrakman
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Or give women, the unemployed, and the uneducated the vote. Works just as well.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:18 | 3259940 Soph
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France is one of the exceptions wherein its not all the bankers. It is certainly partly the bankers, but it is also partly just the nature of the French, and their sense of entitlment and absense of work ethic. Nevertheless, your point is quite valid Popo, they're fubar however you come at it.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:26 | 3259997 paterphysi
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yeah, those stupid French people not wanting to work their lives away. How dare they!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:23 | 3260326 Oldwood
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Back when everyone had to work (it was called survival) I would think you would be hard pressed to find anyone surviving when only willing to "work" 3 hours a day. A farmer would surely starve.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:36 | 3260389 HoaX
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How many hours do you actually think most Lions "work" per day to survive? Energy preservation and efficiency help a lot when it comes to actual basic survival.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:46 | 3260443 Optimusprime
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Lions are predators.  Like banksters. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:19 | 3260647 HoaX
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Rawr..(And lol at people downvoting a basic fact of nature).

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:58 | 3260495 BigJim
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The problem isn't that they don't want to work their lives away.

The problem is that Man is given life, but he isn't given the means to live. Thus, to live well, he needs to either be productive... or steal someone else's produce.

They work three hours a day, but expect to consume goods and services that require 8 or 9 hours of work a day.

Sorry, the maths doesn't add up.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:17 | 3261350 Marco
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Not really ... 3 hours a day was enough to sustain their lifestyle a decade ago, when they were running a trade balance. It would probably still be enough if Germany hadn't attacked Europe from within through government planned wage deflation.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:58 | 3260810 Totentänzerlied
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If they don't wish to work, why haven't they transformed France into a non-productivist hunter-gatherer society - the kind where work hardly even exists. Oh, it's because they want all the benefits and comforts of petit-bourgeois industrialized civilized life, without the effort.

You can't have it both ways (okay, you can, using next-gen energy and food production technology which makes all prior economic and political modes obsolete, but don't tell the plebs that!).

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:30 | 3261385 Marco
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Because something like that has to be done communally, ie. through government. But their government (and all our governments) are betraying us and most people don't notice. Hell, most people here don't see that debt financing has got fuck all to do with socialism ... debt financing welfare is in fact a method to destroy socialism. When Europe was still socialist we either taxed the hell out of everytyhing or used true devaluation (none of this nansy pansy central bank balance sheet expansion).

Debt finance everything for as long as it lasts and free trade uber alles ... until everything collapses and TPTB can finally get back all the land the peons stole from them after the middle ages, with socialism getting painted as the cause to make sure the peons don't get uppity. That's the plan and it's going swimmingly.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:18 | 3260890 Nick Jihad
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In fairness to the tire workers, all those farmers who want to buy cheap tires from China or India, themselves demand and receive _huge_ CAP subsidies. In a society where everone is using political "juice" to steal from everyone else, it is simply self-defeating not to play the game. "If you're not getting something for nothing, you're not getting your fair share".

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:44 | 3260431 Anusocracy
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If it's moral for the Elite to do it, why isn't it moral for the lower classes to do it?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:11 | 3260259 kliguy38
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bankers have prepared better this time. they won't go down without paying a lot of money to have some of their gestapo take out a lot of peeps

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:13 | 3260275 Stoploss
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The unions are in the process of discovery..

They are "discovering" fascism is THE number one enemy of unions.

Fun times ahead indeed.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:38 | 3260401 sadmamapatriot
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I think I am in love. American union worker, this means you, too.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:36 | 3260970 crowd
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"At which point one must hope that they re-live the only moment in history when they weren't a bunch of lazy asshats and drag the bankers from their homes to meet madame guillotine."

Actually they didn't do a very good job that time.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:24 | 3261161 Umh
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I don't think any bankers met the guillotine during the French revolution. I think it may even have given the Rothchild's a boost.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 17:26 | 3261169 frenchie
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actually judo masonic (bankers) made the hutzpah happened... and mostly good folks met the guillotine...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:51 | 3260154 Dingleberry
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If he really had balls he would have said "let them eat cake!"

I see the guillotine returning once the peasantry finds out they can't get cradle to grave bennies for free.

And liberal Americans are always saying how good the Euros have it. They need to live there for awhile. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:10 | 3261326 Marco
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No, he expects you to work for survival ... any money you get in excess is lost profit.

Of course if he can find a machine to do it than less it costs to feed you he'll gladly use that too.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:44 | 3259803 VulpisVulpis
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Awesome.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:27 | 3260001 otto skorzeny
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And I'm sure the asshole CEO that rakes in millions coming up with dumb shit like this is worth every penny he makes-pretty soon there will be no one left to afford his tires and then we'll see how much of an asshole he is when the unwashed masses come for their pound of flesh

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:41 | 3260091 sunnyside
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Two sides to the same fucked up coin.  Just like the election, Obama vs Romney.  Neither one of them would of been a good choice.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 18:00 | 3261282 Ident 7777 economy
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" ... Neither one of them would of been a good choice. "

 

Idiot; You like Axelrod and Valerie Jarret must be ...

 

And Cass Sunstien, Van Jones ...

 

Idiot.

 

Where was the SCOAMF for seven hours the night of Bengahzi?

 

Right ... idiot.


Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:25 | 3260335 Oldwood
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So your point is....he should have pursued the French deal, paying workers to drink coffee, or...he should have declined, but been more polite about it?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:00 | 3260513 BigJim
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Well, presumably the shareholders would rather pay him millions and have him buy a factory in China and see a return on their capital, then hire a CEO who gets paid a 'fairer' wage but buys a factory in France and then goes rapidly bankrupt.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:45 | 3259806 Temporalist
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No more "Freedom Fries"?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:03 | 3259881 brak
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"Freedom Tires"!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:49 | 3259812 knukles
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Well well well.  Appears after all I have a few comrades (Pun not intended.... get it comrades... 3 circles within circles) in arms regarding the French.
Pass the croissant flavored Jello, Pierre.

Amazing.  Bloody amazing that these people think they are the "centre" of Europe, a major military and politicial power on the global stage and serious cultural influence anymore.
Gimme a Royale with cheese and a Coke.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:55 | 3259853 hardcleareye
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What are your thoughts on the Mali "intervention"?

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:07 | 3259892 knukles
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Well, for a start the Frenchies couldn't even get there without American airlift support so is an American deal, as well, just like the Arab Springs which if you remember, many of which were begun by the Frenchies who then needed after 3 days... 3 days... bombs... they ran out of bombs... (Who the fuck goes to war without enough bombs?)... which were then resupplied from US stockpiles.
So, nothing new, eh?
Same pattern of events.  Appears from a distance as another skirmish in the Long War against the New Permanent Enemy, the New Caliphate, designed, aided and abetted in its arrival by the West, I guess. 
It certainly seems so, no?

The more the merrier... or so they say.

PS... Plus they got gold.  Uranium...
Funny how all these deals seem to in some direct or indirect way involve gold oil or other natural resources.
We must hate them for their Natural Resources from which we Must Free Them.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:49 | 3267249 FrankDrakman
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As I've noted elsewhere, the frogs haven't won a major battle since Napoleon.

Here in the Great White North, the frogs have the lowest GDP per capita of any province, excluding the three maritime provinces (whose total population is less than that of Montreal), the lowest birth rate, and the highest income and sales taxes. However, as myriad strip club customers can attest, they have the hottest women.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:11 | 3259909 itsonlymoney
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Not to worry - the Germans are there now and they'll take care of business.  But, Long Live the Legion Etrangere - they know what they're doing and are damned good at it.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:13 | 3259918 Matt
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Canada is lending (at our expense) an aircraft to transport the French so they can get to the battle. America is likely providing the amunition, since the French seem to have run out in the Libya intervention.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:25 | 3259987 aleph0
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The French want to move in to protect their Uranium Mining oprations in Niger just across the border ... and dig up more gold while they're at it.
Also, it's the perfect public distraction from Hollande's failures.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:47 | 3259815 AON
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On these comments alone, i'd vote for this guy to be the next president of the USA

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:54 | 3259844 Joe Davola
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You had your chance in '96.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:48 | 3259818 Shizzmoney
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The problem isn't that the workers are Socialist.....the problem is that they are French.

But you guys keep loving you some false left-right paradigm while the "elites" loot the system. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:51 | 3259829 knukles
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Booyah.
Le homme speaketh the troof

Gimme a freedom fries and a designer water from the tap.
On ice.
Lotsa ice.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:52 | 3259831 CH1
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The problem isn't that the workers are Socialist.....the problem is that they are French.

True words. At one time, there were Frenchmen with sense and courage. But that was quite a while ago.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:54 | 3259849 Doubleguns
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But I will take a couple dozen of the women. Socialist women are easy!!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:16 | 3260293 Things that go bump
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Remember, they don't shave. 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:58 | 3259862 john39
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not defending the french work ethic, but how many of you really want to go work in an indian tire factory?    if that CEO could get away with it... they would have eight year old kids smelting lead eighteen hours a day... 

this is just more divide and conquer bs....  

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:21 | 3259963 CH1
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how many of you really want to go work in an indian tire factory?

Actually, I know almost nothing about indian factories. The propaganda is bad, but I really don't know if that matches reality.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:31 | 3260029 otto skorzeny
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I can see where your love of all things Jew includes commoditizing human beings

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:54 | 3260482 Anusocracy
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That's what government does.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:57 | 3260498 shovelhead
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You're irreplaceable?

Special? Unique?

Doubtful.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:57 | 3260182 Dingleberry
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French unions are like unions in the US. They only care about the dues from workers. And particularly defend the bad workers.  Unions do not care about the company and certainly not the products produced. Not all unions are like that. Germany and Japan are full of unions.  But somehow, someway, they manage to make goods that everyone worldwide wants, and will even pay a premium for them.  I concur with the unlimited greed that exists in corporate boardrooms. But the reality is that even liberals won't buy overpriced shit.  How many liberal Dems support the UAW by purchasing domestic autos?

Go drive in Cali or other liberal bastions and get back to me...... 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:23 | 3260325 zuuma
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Go drive in Cali or other liberal bastions and get back to me.....

 

So I went driving in a liberal bastion and found:

2 american cars

3 geman cars

15 japanese cars (some n. american built, of course)

1 swedish car (rear covered in lefty agitprop stickers)

ZERO french cars

ZERO italian cars

 

It would seem you are correct, sir.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:00 | 3260511 shovelhead
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Wrong.

Liberals WILL ALWAYS buy overpriced shit if it's hip and trendy.

Truckdrivers don't buy $5.00 latte's

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:30 | 3260020 paterphysi
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Exactly john39, exactly right. The people here defending this guy don't realize that they too are considered expendable by these so-called "elites" they worship.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:05 | 3260534 shovelhead
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Spoken like a true minimum wage earner who deserves MOAR because it's "fair".

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:06 | 3260545 BigJim
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As opposed to working in the fields all day?

Most Indians is dirt poor. Educating their children is not an option because their parents can't afford to feed them unless they're productive. It's tough, but that's life in the developing world... and everywhere else that has never had free market capitalism.

And maybe the 'developed' world, too, pretty soon...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:26 | 3259992 Shizzmoney
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At one time, there were Frenchmen with sense and courage.

And then they moved to the UK, Germany, Belgium, and the Caribbean.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:55 | 3260486 Optimusprime
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Or were slaughtered in the First World War.  Never, ever forget that one.  We are all still paying the price for the Anglo-American-Rothschild bloodbath that our childish history books try and blame on the Germans.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:03 | 3260833 mumcard
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Yes, you can get rid of millions of pesky white men by having them do several charges against machine gun nests a day.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:07 | 3259874 McMolotov
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The French: "Don’t worry, there will be a response," Montebourg told reporters...

Expect some serious taunts invoking hamsters and elderberries.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:12 | 3259914 knukles
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Yoo hoo, Pierre!
Lookie here!
I got this hamster for you!
I stuck some elderberries in him for you.

Oh, I knew you'd like that, Pierre.
Oh, gentle, don't make him pop!

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:24 | 3259982 eatthebanksters
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I'm expecting a fart in my general direction...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:52 | 3260473 Diogenes
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`There will be a response ...... eventually..... the union will get to work  on it...... when they get done smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:07 | 3260554 shovelhead
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LOL!

Sitting around with their feet up...

"This deserves an immediate response...next month."

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:42 | 3260991 Voice_Of_Unreason
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Your mozer was an 'ampster and your fazer smelt of elderberries ....

http://youtu.be/9V7zbWNznbs

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:18 | 3260303 homonohumanus
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You are quiet stupid sir...

French used to be to pretty close somehow to how the "core" of America was.

Strong religious beliefs, hard working, mostly a rural country (shift latter than UK or Germany) and so on.

 

I guess you are just another ignorant with an overall IQ lower than the sum of your prejudices...

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:57 | 3260500 Optimusprime
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That's "quite stupid", sir. 

But I sympathize with your point.  People too readily identify a given nation with the current regime that rules it.  That is quite stupid, particularly here in fight club, where so many (quite properly) refuse to identify themselves with the regime that rules the US empire.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 15:47 | 3260768 Anusocracy
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The French are as good or bad as anyone else.

Most people lose whatever common sense they had when the government opens its Candy Store. The French are no different.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:05 | 3260839 Totentänzerlied
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So France was a thoroughly Protestant nation? Uh, no.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 16:28 | 3260934 Nick Jihad
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The French like to believe that their revolution was akin to our revolution. But the American revolution did not require guillotines, and the France will never erase those bloodstains.

 

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 14:28 | 3260344 Oldwood
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so you are saying their problem IS NOT running out of other peoples money

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:48 | 3259819 Derezzed
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France has never had such a retard as president. This moron is the worst they could ever get ... only because they couldn't stand Sarkozy. The irony is there are around 40% retards that think that Hollande is doing a great job. Oh mercy !

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:06 | 3259893 McMolotov
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Do the French pronounce 'retard' the way the fat guy did in The Hangover?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoendYt_ZJ0

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:48 | 3259820 waterhorse
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"Titan is going to buy a Chinese tire company or an Indian one, pay less than one Euro per hour wage and ship all the tires France needs."

Great idea, Maurice!  Hope the lawsuits from faulty manufacturing cut into your bonus.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 12:51 | 3259830 Fish Gone Bad
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The Chinese are perfectly capable of making a good product.  It is when people try to be cheap is when problems occur.

Wed, 02/20/2013 - 13:27 | 3260003 slightlyskeptical
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People that are trying to be cheap have all their products made in China. Once in China are they going to all of sudden start not being cheap?

Unless most of you are independently wealthy already, you have a very self defeating attitude. It will work it's way to you as well. Work for Chinese wages or be unemployed is only a decade or so away. And you just open the door and let them in.  The stupidity of the common man disgusts me.

 

 

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