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The Men Who Built America: Remembering The Gilded Age Part 1

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It is perhaps time to look back at what once was. In Part 1 of the 4 part History Channel series, a new war begins as out of the turmoil of the Civil War, America enters an age of enlightenment that will change the landscape of the country forever. The growth is driven by five insightful men who will change the world forever. John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford and J.P. Morgan rose from obscurity and in the process built modern America. Their names hang on street signs, are etched into buildings and are a part of the fabric of history. These men created the American Dream and were the engine of capitalism as they transformed everything they touched in building the oil, rail, steel, shipping, automobile and finance industries. Their paths crossed repeatedly as they elected presidents, set economic policies and influenced major events of the 50 most formative years this country has ever known. From the Civil War to the Great Depression and World War I, for better or worse, they led the way.



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Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:43 | 3265893 Stackers
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Built America ? More like stole America and destroyed the Representative Republic in the process installing their own fascist oligarchy

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:50 | 3265919 true brain
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what is this? Propaganda on ZH.

if you're going to paint a true picture of what happend, you have to include backroom dealings, bribes , extortion , murders and the ultimate theft of American liberty, treasure.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:59 | 3265946 Big Slick
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If someone like this coke-addled Marxist we know as POTUS ever told Carnegie “You didn’t build that” he’d get his ass kicked to within an inch of his life.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:07 | 3265959 Big Slick
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@ Stackers - Yeah, life prior to the late 19th century was really awesome!

(you caught me in a bad mood.  I apologize)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:23 | 3266016 Mr. Magoo
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If you watched the series you will find stackers is 100% right on. these guys were complete low life scum

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:32 | 3266037 prains
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nothing like a little american revisionism to make you want to crack open a Bud and pour it on the floor 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:48 | 3266063 prains
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thanks junksters

hit the mark

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:02 | 3266190 fourchan
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that was a great series, warts and all.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 03:09 | 3266256 James_Cole
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I managed to get 10 mins in, if I want to watch silly nonsense I generally prefer Keeping up with the Kardashians though, I'm a sucker for boobs. Not enough boobs (in the literal sense) onscreen in this one. 

I'm still waiting for the History channel documentary about Jesus delivering the constitution personally to James Madison, I'd love to hear Trump weigh in on what Jesus was thinking at that moment. I'm sure Jack Welch could offer some brilliant insight too. 


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 07:18 | 3266370 new game
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watching "The West" series.

some things just don't change

the native indians(can not say americans anymore) are you!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 08:04 | 3266392 Gazooks
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Deadwood, there's some real Americana to get all fucking teary-eyed over.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:18 | 3266458 economics9698
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JP Morgan does not belong on the list, that would be the pos Rothchild. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:46 | 3266159 RebelDevil
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Greedy scum they were, but aleast they were BAMF, and not pussies as a lot of men always seem to be.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:58 | 3266089 jballz
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What the fuck is wrong with you people? Jews, robber barons, presidents, fed chiefs, commies, nigs, soros, Buffett, Goldman, Morgan,

Seems to me you guys want to bitch about anyone who ever been more successful than you.

Is that a syndrome? Anti-narcissism?

One thing it sure makes me grateful you assholes are not in charge. Bunch of little fucking stalins with no balls on the table to have your way.

Cry on, stock market emos. It will all be over soon.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:08 | 3266109 prains
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pretty sure anti narcissism isn't a syndrome BUT sure as hell you are

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 07:17 | 3266369 jballz
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I am.

I am declaring war on the stock market emos.


This was a great site before all the fucking whiners came here to dump their baggage.


cut yourselves elsewhere, bitchez.





Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:56 | 3266408 Gazooks
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fuckin A, jballzi


no-nuthin pussies bleedin an'a weepin like dyin little girls in Damascus


let's you an me take the day to go kill an blow-up shit

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:39 | 3266491 tango
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Now THAT'S a site that lots of folks here need.  I've never seen such incredible anger over mundane topics - Spanish politicians taking a bribe, APPLE, CNBC, movies, sports, name it and they're foaming at the mouth.  Keeping that much anger pent up day after day is not healthy.  Take Care 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:27 | 3267938 sadmamapatriot
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You know, you're right. ZHers have so much righteous hate for so many things but what do they love? Gold, guns, tits and ass, and maybe Ron Paul. Uh, I think we need to find a little more than that to be positive about in life. Is this all there is? I think not.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:00 | 3266187 newengland
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Soon over for your sort, entitlement queen. Long live the Republic.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:32 | 3266642 GMadScientist
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Fuckin putz hasn't moved more than one county over since his criminal ancestors came over on the Mayflower, but now he's all about "The Republic".

Where the fuck have you been for the last 40 years then? Just biding your time?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 08:11 | 3266401 max2205
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It was grim for the 99 %  but it was a great series

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:48 | 3281220 csmith
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Sums up the entire history of man pretty well.

Some people DO. Some people DON'T. Some people just pick nits. End of story.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:33 | 3266479 tango
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jballz -I've said that a 1000 times. Blaming others is something we all do but most folks eventually realize it's juvenile. Hatred for others is an element of crises, No one escapes their wrath except Ron Paul and they will eventually turn on him as they did his son.  Rigid Ideological purity is impossible.   It's formulaic -Tyler tries historical perspective and gets the same dreary diatribes that never changes regardless of subject (along with a Youtube URL as "proof"). 

They denounce CNBC, Bloomberg, JPM, Goldman, etc not realizing that the Tylers follow these guys religiously. I fully expected the frenzy to these men who gave us a world that alllows folks in boxers to bitch about things they can't comprehend. This could be an intellectual powerhouse site but instead it's becoming known as a hangout for kooks. For all the chatter there is an utter absence of ideas.  Nothing but "hang 'em all", "buy gold", "grow your crops" or "don't iinvest, watch tv, movies, sports".  It's as if they're terrified of happiness.  They may very well survive our coming financial Armageddon but who would want them as neighbors?  LOL

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:14 | 3266596 Ljoot
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Neighbors? I can't stand them either!


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:31 | 3266641 eclectic syncretist
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These men, like all men, were products of their time and place in history, along of course with contributions from their own unique genetic predispositions and other environmental factors.  It's rather sad and inappropriate to have JPMorgan on this list since he never built anything but cavernous debt as a moneychanger.

In all, we have been better served by men like Vanderbilt and Rockefeller than Bernanke (man of the year??? WTF?!), Greenspan (Maestro???? WTF?!), Obama (Nobel Peace Prize???!  WTF?!), Joe Kennedy ect.   The list goes on and on.  At least the men in this series (other than Morgan) produced something of value that they left behind them after they were gone.  They did at least do that service to the country, despite their many obvious personal shortcomings. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:20 | 3266879 tango
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I went to Vanderbilt and a little known fact: The Vanderbilts (then) matched the gifts of private donors which is why Vandy was always near the top.  We forget the great public sites these men funded and yes, they were ruthless (the show is pretty clear on that) but they were also visionaries who enabled our future.  JPM saved America with his own money once so he gets a slight reprieve (LOL).   I've always said that the incredible progress during this time would have been impossible under any other form of government.  By the end of the show one can see the rising influence of the State on daily affairs, a trend that has never stopped. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 23:27 | 3269137 dtwn
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You forgot Rothschilds in your list of ZHedgies fav things to blame.  Idiots.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:54 | 3266162 Sizzurp
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Carnegie owed his fortune to sheer ruthlessness, if not blatant fraud.  When Duquesne Steel invented a new less expensive way to produce rail by rolling method, Carnegie floated a letter to all the railroad companies that Duquesne Steel lacked "homogeneity".  Carnegie had no clue what that meant, nor any basis for the claim, but the deceit worked, and Duquesne was forced to sell the company to Carnegie for a song.  Carnegie then incorporated the rolling method for producing rails into all his manufacturing, and all concerns about homogeneity disappeared.  Carnegie made a fortune.  Some people refuse to lose, he was one of them.  I don't begrudge people for getting rich, as long as they are bringing a needed product to market, and do so without the helping hand of government cronyism.  

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 04:35 | 3266305 israhole
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Henry Ford warned America when he wrote "The International Jew".  One can buy it at Amazon, and damned if he wasn't right about everything. Make sure to get the one written by the man himself:



Fri, 02/22/2013 - 05:02 | 3266329 James_Cole
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It's public domain and can be found widely online. An interesting historical document - mein kampf for Americans - it is also a good reminder that American business leaders to a surprising degree supported Hitler. 

"The International Jew" is an endless rant from a racist madman and I'm guessing isn't covered in History Channels series linked above, so if you must indulge, here you go:

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:49 | 3267815 dark pools of soros
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Because only Nazis have ever had a problem with Jews

All Hail Shylock!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 05:41 | 3266344 lewy14
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Any concentration of government power sufficient to guarantee "fairness" is also sufficient to screw everyone.

Which it inevitably will, once that concetration of power has been established.

So live with unfairness. It's the lesser evil.

(And yes, I've been on the receiving end of being cheated and threatened in business. Would rather live with those outcomes than having big brother wander over to re-arrange the piles, because inevitably big brother will arrange for his pile to be bigger.)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:10 | 3267125 Omen IV
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JP Morgan created a similiar repression of certain Tesla electric systems inventions which would have cut the demand for copper substantially - at the time Morgan controlled Utah Copper among other mining interests which had the majority of copper production in the 1890's

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:21 | 3265977 ACP
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There's always a level of backroom bullshit. No country/society is immune. But without total government control, people have the chance to stake their own claim.

You come up with a good idea, you pimp it and get investors and make money by paying employees to do the work. That's Capitalism.

If that's so bad, what's the alternative? Name a system, in all of recorded history, that allowed a person born outside of nobility to build a business empire?


Bueller? Anyone? Bueller?


Edit: You've gotta ask yourself just one question......are you better off now, with limited options, or when government was so small it didn't have the ability to limit/punish/fuck you up/legislate you out of existence because their buddy asked them to?

Not that I'm against the Securities and Exchange Acts of 1933 and 1934, but before the crash of 1929, several big players became BILLIONAIRES, yes BILLIONAIRES off of insider trading and market manipuation. Do you know what happened after the crash of 1929? They lost EVERYTHING, because the free markets took care of that bullshit. How many market manipulators and insider traders actually get their just deserts, now that free markets are a thing of the past? How many businessmen?

Obama uses his "pro-women" propaganda as an excuse to pay women at the White House (when he actually hires women) far less than their male counterparts. Is that justice?


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:36 | 3266042 Mr. Magoo
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The problem was because of the unscrupulous acts of these monopolists they brought on govt intervention and regulation which had progressively got worse as time goes on and today are the fruits of their back room deals , bribes and exploitation. i am not against capitalism but when it is used to oppress and exploit your fellow countrymen then it becomes a big problem

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:49 | 3266064 ACP
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In that case, I ask again, what is the better alternative?

What form of government exploits the People less than Capitalism?

That TINY SLIVER of self-determination that exists in (Democratic) Capitalism created the powerhouse this is (was) the United States.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:35 | 3266136 Pseudo Anonym
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the answer to your

...ask again, what is the better alternative?

is a system of governance where nobody is allowed to fuck w/ the law to their advantage.  it's one thing to out-compete on a level field and another to rig the law against the society so one can benefit at the expense of others.  in a just society, all would be equal before courts; winners and losers equally

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:50 | 3266161 ACP
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Yes, that was the intention of the Constitution of United States. It had its flaws, but provided for better opportunities than ever before for the "common man." The problem is, what you just described is impossible. That kind of society will never exist. The Founding Fathers realized that no matter how "good" a leader was at the present, somewhere down the line, a tyrant would emerge. Limitations were put in place as to the power of government. Humans are mortal, so the best one could do is assert a balance of power.

Humans are crafty fucks and will always try to find a way to circumvent laws to their advantage. The Fed has been used and abused to the advantage of those in power...that was the first mistake. People are paid for their votes nowadays. What form of government would create a playing field more level than Capitalism, ruled by Democracy?

It's easy to describe the perfect world, but that's not possible. Now I realize that's what they Founding Fathers meant by their grammatically incorrect "more perfect union" statement...there's no such thing as perfection, you can only get close. Despite the fact that they were risking everything for a "social experiment," they still managed to maintain a sense of humor.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:02 | 3266183 Pseudo Anonym
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the problem is that the so called "founding fathers" were conspirators whose goal was to subvert articles of confederation.  in my view, the constitution was a con job:

i think the time when articles of confederation were in force was most likely when the common man had the most opportunities. ever.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:45 | 3266230 James_Cole
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"If that's so bad, what's the alternative? Name a system, in all of recorded history, that allowed a person born outside of nobility to build a business empire?"

Feudalism comes to mind. People on here love ragging on them so might as well bring them up - Rothschild family were not nobility & did build a business empire. 

Also, China must be capitalist then right? 

"Edit: You've gotta ask yourself just one question......are you better off now, with limited options, or when government was so small it didn't have the ability to limit/punish/fuck you up/legislate you out of existence because their buddy asked them to?"

When has the US gov not had this ability / not excerised this ability? Things are much better now than in the past certainly. 

"several big players became BILLIONAIRES, yes BILLIONAIRES off of insider trading and market manipuation. Do you know what happened after the crash of 1929? They lost EVERYTHING, because the free markets took care of that bullshit."

Last I checked a few survived lol. And important to underline a related point: there were massive bank bailouts 1929-1935. 

"now that free markets are a thing of the past?"

There were free markets in the US? When? I want dates so I can easily prove you wrong.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:12 | 3266453 Pseudo Anonym
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Rothschild family were not nobility & did build a business empire.

and dont forget lived in ghetto and were persecuted.  but you know how it goes.  the abused becomes the abuser times ten

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:53 | 3266527 tango
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I'll repeat what someone else.  And your alternative is? I've heard the old "Founding Fathers were bad guys" and international conspiracies and the 1% in all their varied manifestations.   But that's alll claptrap more suited to poker night or the water cooler.  What other economic system/government literally changed the world with material wealth beyond anyone's wildest dreams?  For that matter, what other nation today has folks lining up outside its embassies in order to try their hand? 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:25 | 3267539 James_Cole
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"What other economic system/government literally changed the world with material wealth beyond anyone's wildest dreams?"

Insert the name of any empire here. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:49 | 3266167 RebelDevil
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 03:34 | 3266272 Richardk888
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Capitalism is fine as long as it is a true free market.

Carnegie was not interested in capitalism.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 08:16 | 3266403 max2205
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They brought us out of the dark ages and shoved us back into the darkness 130 years later

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 04:03 | 3266287 JOYFUL
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What form of government exploits the People less than Capitalism?

You give yourself away. That a government can be described as "capitalist" is the essence of the problem that you reinforce with your effort to conflate governance of the polity with the mode of economic governance a society chooses to operate under...

in your theoretical construct of 'capitalism' the role of a 'government' would be restricted to enacting and enforcing laws that keep playing fields level and reduce barriers of entry for all players. That's the myth of capitalism...the reality of capitalism is what we have now...a fully formed fusion of special interest groups and concentrations of capital with politico/juridicial lackeys who sell political leverage for money and  enforce  economic monopoly via the heavy hand of the state. "Capitalism" as you have so well defined.

You've delivered a knock out punch to your own argument. Thanks for coming out.

Next act please.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 04:07 | 3266290 Richardk888
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Sounds more like Fascism

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 04:23 | 3266302 JOYFUL
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We have a winner!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266927 Kayman
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Sarcasm aside, you nailed it.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:57 | 3267076 JOYFUL
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Yeah, I sometimes rue the tendency to understate my nuance is a tough play to the peanut gallery...

here's a catch up for the more febrile of the ism fetishists amongst us...

     the capitalism of your dreams is the fascism of your waking reality...

Hope that helps.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 02:08 | 3269381 putaipan
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the fascism of my waking reality is capatilisms' worst nightmare....

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:18 | 3266605 myptofvu
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ACP is right because you still have "unscrupulous acts, monopolies, back room deals etc." with any other form of society ie: Socialism, Faschism, Crony Capitalism etc.. but with pure Capitalism at least you have producers doing it instead of the parasitic class. Lesser of two evils if you will.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:45 | 3266158 Tango in the Blight
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Are Richard Branson and James Dyson nobleborn men?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:14 | 3266205 ACP
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You can decide for yourself, per Wikipedia:

Richard Branson:

Branson was born in Blackheath, London, the son and eldest child of barrister Edward James Branson (10 March 1918 – 19 March 2011)[4] and Eve Huntley Branson (née Flindt).[4][5] His grandfather, the Right Honourable Sir George Arthur Harwin Branson, was a judge of the High Court of Justice and a Privy Councillor.[6] Branson was educated at Scaitcliffe School (now Bishopsgate School)[7] until the age of thirteen. He then attended Stowe School until the age of sixteen. Branson has dyslexia and had poor academic performance as a student, but later discovered his ability to connect with others.[8]

James Dyson:

Dyson was born in Cromer, Norfolk, England, being one of three children. Dyson was sent to Gresham's School,a boarding school, Holt, Norfolk, from 1956 to 1965, when his father died of cancer.[2] James excelled in long distance running: "I was quite good at it, not because I was physically good, but because I had more determination. I learnt determination from it."[3] He spent one year (1965–1966) at the Byam Shaw School of Art (now part of Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design), and then studied furniture and interior design at the Royal College of Art (1966–1970) before moving into engineering.[citation needed]

Henry Ford:

Henry Ford was born July 30, 1863, on a farm in Greenfield Township, Michigan.[2] His father, William Ford (1826–1905), was born in County Cork, Ireland, in a family that was originally from western England.[citation needed] His mother, Mary Litogot Ford (1839–1876), was born in Michigan as the youngest child of Belgian immigrants; her parents died when she was a child and she was adopted by neighbors, the O'Herns. Henry Ford's siblings were Margaret Ford (1867–1938); Jane Ford (c. 1868–1945); William Ford (1871–1917) and Robert Ford (1873–1934).

His father gave him a pocket watch in his early teens. At 15, Ford dismantled and reassembled the timepieces of friends and neighbors dozens of times, gaining the reputation of a watch repairman.[3] At twenty, Ford walked four miles to their Episcopal church every Sunday.[4]

Ford was devastated when his mother died in 1876. His father expected him to eventually take over the family farm, but he despised farm work. He later wrote, "I never had any particular love for the farm—it was the mother on the farm I loved."[5]

In 1879, he left home to work as an apprentice machinist in the city of Detroit, first with James F. Flower & Bros., and later with the Detroit Dry Dock Co. In 1882, he returned to Dearborn to work on the family farm, where he became adept at operating the Westinghouse portable steam engine. He was later hired by Westinghouse company to service their steam engines. During this period Ford also studied bookkeeping at Goldsmith, Bryant & Stratton Business College in Detroit.[6]

Andrew Carnegie:

Andrew Carnegie was born in Dunfermline, Scotland, in a typical weaver's cottage with only one main room, consisting of half the ground floor which was shared with the neighboring weaver's family.[2] The main room served as a living room, dining room and bedroom.[2] He was named after his legal grandfather.[2] In 1836, the family moved to a larger house in Edgar Street (opposite Reid's Park), following the demand for more heavy damask from which his father, William Carnegie, benefited.[2] His uncle, George Lauder, whom he referred to as "Dod", introduced him to the writings of Robert Burns and historical Scottish heroes such as Robert the Bruce, William Wallace, and Rob Roy. Falling on very hard times as a handloom weaver and with the country in starvation, William Carnegie decided to move with his family to Allegheny, Pennsylvania in the United States in 1848 for the prospect of a better life.[3] Andrew's family had to borrow money in order to migrate. Allegheny was a very poor area. His first job at age 13 in 1848 was as a bobbin boy, changing spools of thread in a cotton mill 12 hours a day, 6 days a week in a Pittsburgh cotton factory. His starting wage was $1.20 per week.[4] Andrew's father, William Carnegie, started off working in a cotton mill but then would earn money weaving and peddling linens. His mother, Margaret Morrison Carnegie, earned money by binding shoes.


It seems to me the first two had quite the advantage over the last two.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:33 | 3266478 midtowng
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The people who built America often have Irish, eastern European, and Chinese names. They were treated like dirt (or worse) and shot down by thugs hired by the Rockefellers and Vanderbilts.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:35 | 3266655 GMadScientist
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They don't want to hear real labor is an affront to the fanciful notions with which they've filled their heads.

They've never contemtplated the realities of a one-company town that only takes scrip and will hire Pinkertons if you protest cutting your wages in half.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:00 | 3265954 Talleyrand
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Well now, that may be a little harsh. I like to think that they simply bought enough government lackeys to erect a few barriers to entry  in order to establish and maintain their monopolies, oligopolies and cartels, then buy more politicians and bureaucrats. They were the pioneering giants of rent seeking. What's the issue?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:06 | 3266105 Neethgie
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You are so full of shit you don't even realise just because crimes have been done in jpm name doesn't mean he's responsible unless dimon has a fucking seance going on, dude this people got mega rich but they also through opulence and deSIgn helped others achieve a better quality of life.

Or are you just here because Marxism ain't cool anymore and being contrarian is in atm

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:47 | 3266702 GMadScientist
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Why make the assumption that we couldn't have the better life without their opulence?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:06 | 3266106 Neethgie
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You are so full of shit you don't even realise just because crimes have been done in jpm name doesn't mean he's responsible unless dimon has a fucking seance going on, dude this people got mega rich but they also through opulence and deSIgn helped others achieve a better quality of life.

Or are you just here because Marxism ain't cool anymore and being contrarian is in atm

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 03:22 | 3266263 Missiondweller
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Amazing what you can get done without unions and the EPA.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:47 | 3266710 GMadScientist
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Amazing who you can get done with Pinkertons and a bought government.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 03:30 | 3266268 OldPhart
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I actually find this film rather inspiring.

These men built their shit without government hand-outs, hired others and made their own empires on sheer grit and determination.  That IS the 'murican dream.

Everyone that bitches about backroom deals, government intervention, etc.  That shit exists today, in spades, and look at the shitstorm we're dealing with (or will be dealing with). I find it commendable that a simple idea, coupled with determination, created systems that we still have today.

The fact that they were asshats that made life miserable for everyone else became the impetus for dear ol' Teddy to start his trust busting and create the Progessive element of the fascist democrats/republicans we have today with the resultant, and imminent, social collapse.

Raw, nekkid capitalism created this country and made us a world power.  Government interventions have turned us into little more than global thugs ready and eager to drone ten year olds.  And we now have a population satisfied to elect thuggish morons that eye their constituents as terrorists.

What we need today are those people with the grim determination to view our corrupt, evil government as irrelevant and begin to apply themselves to needs that the rest of us are too fucking stupid to even conceive tesla power or a use for fuckin' tumbleweeds.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 17:15 | 3268146 dark pools of soros
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Raw nekkid capitalism exists today in the form of Jesse Jane

Go long Diosa Tequila

And she told me she's taking over playboy channel from Hef

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:37 | 3273140 torabora
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One of my buds is obsessed with repurposing pine needles. They're out there.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 07:02 | 3266362 WarriorClass
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The last of the Founders Republic having been destroyed by America's first dictactor, Abraham Lincoln, America was ripe for the plunder by the countries first facists.  Remember the Ludlow Massacre, carried out by the government owned by Rockefeller.


The rest, as they say, is history.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 09:17 | 3266457 robobbob
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+ QE and beyond

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:08 | 3266586 Shizzmoney
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I can't wait until we build the time machine, and then I can do a "Assassin's Creed" style cleaning of these plutocratic douchebag traitors.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:27 | 3266627 Mrmojorisin515
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wrong friend, lincoln stole the republic

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:42 | 3265895 LetThemEatRand
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Douche Americana!

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:42 | 3265896 HedgeAccordingly
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great series! next it will be buffett all over the streets for our children -

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:45 | 3265902 Mercury
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Hey! I didn't know the History Channel still did history.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:53 | 3265929 Skateboarder
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Nat Geo got watered down quite a ways also. Cringeworthy shit on the televisor these days.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:50 | 3266067 A Nanny Moose
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Nat Geo? Psh. The "Learning" Channel, brings us Honey Boo Boo.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:04 | 3265968 otto skorzeny
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you could at least count on the old history channel for some kickass"Secret Weapons of the Third Reich" or something

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:46 | 3265904 reader2010
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Modern capitalist nations are the fruit of a history of slavery, genocide, violence and exploitation every bit as abhorrent as Mao’s China or Stalin’s Soviet Union. Capitalism, too, was forged in blood and tears; it is just that it has survived long enough to forget about much of this horror…

- Terry Eagleton (1943 - ), British literary critic.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:51 | 3265923 Clowns on Acid
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Terry was a typicxal, lefty apologist, pommie douchebag.


Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:54 | 3265932 LetThemEatRand
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Fucking pommies.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:02 | 3265958 reader2010
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Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) famously states,  "dare to use your own reason is the motto of enlightenment."

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:28 | 3266029 Dasa Slooofoot
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quote more people to show us how you're using your own 'reason'.  

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:00 | 3266094 Laser Shark
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The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never be certain they are genuine.

- Abraham Lincoln

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:14 | 3266119 TruthInSunshine
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 "Apple OS, Android, Microsoft...Android, Microsoft, Apple. As far as I'm concerned, any of these operating systems is capable of providing a means to implement accurate logistics for our Continental Army in our pursuit of defeating the British. I'd go so far as to state Linux is not only capable, as well, but maybe the most logical choice as it is the least vulnerable to hacking."

-- George Washington

   Remarks made in 1777, during the Battles of Saratoga

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:50 | 3266724 GMadScientist
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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 06:54 | 3266361 Optimusprime
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The (translated) quote from Kant, which I first read decades ago, is from his short essay, "What is Enlightenment?".  It is not reasonable to ignore what others have said and thought.  Do you know what "memorable" means?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:02 | 3266100 reader2010
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I only quote some great thinkers here because of the existence of thinkpol.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:58 | 3265945 newengland
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Socialist bull$shit. Fck the workers and makers, so the Socialist Internationale can put a jackboot on the face of mankind...paraphrasing Orwell, British political critic.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:11 | 3265984 Big Slick
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'paraphrasing' is right.  I honestly don't know what point you are making.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:54 | 3266072 THX 1178
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Newengand: Everybody wears jackboots these days... govt workers, banking cartel acolytes... EVERYONE. Private sector jackboot on your left cheek, public sector jackboot on your right. But sure keep playing into the left right paradigm... im sure you'll make it just fine in the world with an understanding like that.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:50 | 3266236 James_Cole
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"Socialist bull$shit. Fck the workers and makers, so the Socialist Internationale can put a jackboot on the face of mankind...paraphrasing Orwell, British political critic."

Psst... don't anyone remind Newengand that Orwell was a vocal member of the labour party and self-identified as a socialist. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:53 | 3266744 GMadScientist
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Psssst....he was a double-agent for the fascists.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 06:50 | 3266360 Frankie Carbone
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Just can't seem to let go of the Great False Dichotomy, can you? It's been beaten into your brain for so long by the Tee-Vee that there is simply no way to strip that macro out of your forebrain, is there?


THIS, is why we are fucked folks.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:52 | 3266734 GMadScientist
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Vanderbilt and Carnegie were only "workers" of the system and "makers" of profits...and your sycophantic assumption that you can share their pie is misplaced and laughable.


Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:55 | 3265905 Banksters
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Only the Best for J. P. Morgan


Then there was J. Pierpont Morgan, who came by his wealth honestly, having been born into it. When your father has made a name for himself in banking, you can be counted upon to get the finest business education in the country.

So when the Civil War came, he shelled out the $300 to buy a substitute to serve in his stead. While Morgan stayed home, evading military service and the draft, he made enormous profits by providing war materiel. The erstwhile benefactor bought 5,000 rifles for $3.50 each from an arsenal, and then turned around to provide them to a field general for $22.00 each. The cheap price he paid for them was due to a defective mechanism, since any unwitting soldier who attempted to fire one, lost his thumb. 


Fucking piece of shit through and through.   Money has a way of legitimizing complete scumbags.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:56 | 3265937 Edward Fiatski
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What a great Entrepreneur. :)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:56 | 3266757 GMadScientist
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Truly the Dick Cheney of his time.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 17:39 | 3268228 Clycntct
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Free market forces-BOOM Thumbs optional.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:49 | 3265912 dick cheneys ghost
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...........................................How about the History Channel does a Docu on ''DEBT MONEY'' that would be something I would watch...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:09 | 3265978 Banksters
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The last thing the bankers want is for people to understand how they create money from nothing and get back labor, resources, land and liberty.  Fuckers.


Yep, fucking fed has 3 trillion dollars of assets through QE.   Where is Rod Serling?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:34 | 3265998 dick cheneys ghost
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It appears that the History Channel is run by Disney................which is ...............all jewish propaganda....................


I wont look for that "DEBT MONEY" docu anytime soon

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:58 | 3266772 GMadScientist
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$3T in sweet nothing promises...that Maiden Lane has the clap.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:50 | 3265917 Technical Bard
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These men did great things.  The most notable is that much like modern technology, their actions were inherently deflationary.  They drove down the cost of the products they sold by improving efficiency and production methods.  The people of America paid less for oil, steel and cars after Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford than they did before these men changed the game.  Others copied their advances, but without the vision they put forth, the USA would have advanced more slowly than it did.  It was only as they became very rich that people, particularly politicians, started to look askance at their wealth.  Rockefeller, very notably, got more rich AFTER Standard Oil was broken up by the Sherman Anti-Trust action than he did before, however.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:04 | 3266102 Ropingdown
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Americans didn't pay less for steel due to US Steel, but in spite of it.  Carnegie was an interesting a driven man, but his entry into the steel business wasn't about genius. Rather it was about being Tom Scott's assistent at the Pennsylvania Railroad and starting out with huge contracts, then working from there.  We still haven't come to terms with the incorporation and unionization of the US as it affects political representatioon.  It seems, though, that when that problem gets fixed, we'll just end up with everyone demanding a white-collar gov job and more benefits pyramid schemes.  People are no damned good! Laugh. The Gilded Age incorporation of the nation did provide the fastest growth decades in US history.  "How the Other Half Lived" is a good read.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:53 | 3265920 newengland
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I must disagree with the headline and brief words thereafter.

Those men profited from a greater people who founded the USA, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They didn't make that ;-)

Only Henry Ford had the honesty to admit the ugly face beneath the mask when he said that if the ordinary person understood the money system which had taken hold of the Republic, there would be a revolution by morning.

The others - John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie

and J.P. Morgan were carpetbaggers: sluts for money with no care for country or conscience.

OK, maybe, Carnegie was a little better than that. The rest were robber barons.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:58 | 3265934 Edward Fiatski
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I concur, although, John D. did leave an interesting legacy and I adore the the statue of Atlas in Rockefeller Center in NY and what it represents in relation to cocksucking irrational sheeple.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:01 | 3265957 newengland
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Agreed, Edward.

Ugly men often finance great works of art and beauty. To offset their ugly ways?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:08 | 3265975 Edward Fiatski
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Well, they did build New York and the rest of the world, even if thru a conspiracy of murder, backstabbing, fraud and two World Wars. Someone has to do it - otherwise people would still be casually farming potatoes, living the "good life". LOL

You know, spice things up, eh? Perhaps you'll understand some day.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:11 | 3265982 otto skorzeny
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if you're holding up NYC as some model of virtue and culture then the rats and roaches have already been gnawing on your brain.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:14 | 3265992 Edward Fiatski
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Not New York per se, but the whole concept of the City. Would London as an example suffice? :)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:19 | 3266008 otto skorzeny
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I find beauty in the country-being stacked like cordwood in the concrete jungle is not the place for me

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:26 | 3266024 Edward Fiatski
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I do understand your point of view, but the advances in the City have made life in the country side a bliss, if you can afford to have all these modern tools: from the chainsaw to a solarpanel-heated boiler.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:42 | 3266051 newengland
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London proves your point. It is a polluted, litter strewn, overcrowded, debt ridden, hateful place where people fear to walk the streets after dusk unless they are naive (prime targe for muggers), drunk, drugged or have private security detail.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:48 | 3266062 Edward Fiatski
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Well, the peasant population can be dealt with on a moment's notice, I'm talking about the infrastructure. :)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:06 | 3266107 newengland
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Wrong again, Herr Goebbels. This is the 21st century, not your failed last century ways.

Learn some humility. It is good for you and others. Enlightened self interest is best.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:17 | 3266123 Edward Fiatski
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Ah, yes, humility - there certainly isn't any in calling the whole concept of a City a failure.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:40 | 3266045 newengland
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Then we must agree to disagree. Life is finite, and so are resources. Only rats thrive in cities. Anything of lasting beauty has come from country ways. Cities only exist because better ways thrive, and gift surplus to weak central control cities.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:51 | 3266066 Edward Fiatski
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That's a Soviet model you're describing - where the peasants send their produce at gunpoint to Moscow to feed the elite.

There has to be balance, first & foremost in the Cities, and in this century there will be balance with the help of technological advancement, or there will be death of Civilisation.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:03 | 3266099 newengland
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Your assertion is no substitute for factual argument.

Everything good comes from people in peaceful places who are able and willing to defend themselves: the Republic, the majority, the country.

Hateful central controllers steal from the country. The cities and technology are bankrupt now. This is the 21st century, not your theory.  This is the lesson of history, Heir Goebbels.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:18 | 3266127 Edward Fiatski
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You seem to have a vision regarding to what happens next to our Civilisation, care to share? "Technology is bankrupt now?" Are we all going to be milking cows in the 21st century?


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:02 | 3266798 GMadScientist
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If NewEngland has his way, yes, we'd all be forced into agrarian subsistence and personal self-defense (a kinder, gentler FEMA camp).

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:56 | 3266177 bunnyswanson
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Corrupt nations keep you up at night Eddie? Russia's aberrant meterorite:

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:07 | 3266108 disabledvet
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Morgan actually cleaned up the mess that Vanderbilt left behind. "the railroads never worked before Morgan." i do agree "we need to set aside the Constitution" when talking about these folks. Much the same could be said of the "Class the Stars fell upon" (from West Point) due to World War II i might add. American history post Civil War is a complex combining a meteoric rise from the ashes (as much money as was made by these guys it was nothing compared to what happened to the USA as a result of World War I--the Great War as Europe calls it) as much as we have...whatever it is we have now. Bailout Tycoons? I just love saying it actually cuz needless to say "the guys pictured here did not care one wit as to the legality" let alone "State" response. Yet today...that is not true...yes, yes? "there is fear of authority" i think. and history is indeed a fickle Judge. Carnegie fer sure is a fascinating "up from the boot straps" character. Steve Jobs is very much the Carnegie of our Age...very different view on Philanthropy interestingly Carnegie KNEW he and Mr. Bessemer's process would be used for war. I find it interesting that most of our Internet Pioneers fail to see how their invention is used the same...and thus don't appear to try and differentiate themselves from "it." Horrible thing "all this knowing." You would think it make a man scream for peace...yet I hear nothing "save the sound of approaching Hellfire." Clearly Morgan "had a plan" in mind when he solved "the Railroad disaster that was America." And that plan "was to get the Government business by creating an economy that created a Government debt market." One need only look at today to exclaim "and what a bond market it is!" You can't have ANY of this borrowing PERIOD without Morgan of 100 plus years ago. "quiet men" who knew the perils of actually "seeing the future" and how terrifying it truly was. many associate our current "issues" with the Great Society and the 60's but I think you really need to go back to the 20's and the Great Gatsby and "the Last Tycoon" to really get an understanding of how "all that was truly the Beginning." that era laid the foundation for MASS communication and MASS markets and MASS consumption..."all of which was unleashed as a result of World War II." fast food, Wal Mart, Best Buy, directed advertising, "Windows" computing...all of this begins...and in a sense "ends" with America's "victory" in World War II. This is when this great Economic Experiment was begun...and is still going it would appear. (a "debt" market for private securities??!!!) "this time is complicated" because the guy's in this piece never had to "maintain an Alliance system." the folks doing that "aren't paid all that much"...but more than enough to bankrupt a nation..and their business operations. no one can say what tomorrow will bring...but winning an election is one thing...bringing the full force and fury of the State on some entity a whole 'nother. "that's why you have to include the Roosevelts in that list." You just can't have these guys without that family. Trust me "those guys would all be the first to admit it." believe me "they never had to ask where the phuck are my bridges" back then. Carnegie told 'em straight up..."how many you want?" interesting post i must say....and of all things American know this..."history is living with them." all this media exists in this country for a reason. this place wants to be SEEN AND HEARD.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:08 | 3266827 GMadScientist
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Indeed, the genesis of capitalism for capitalism's sake (and little else...unless you find value in sunken metal on seafloors and missing limbs).

It was a debt scam from the "continental" on, DV.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:28 | 3266141 bunnyswanson
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Nonsense.  He cornered the market through cronyism and advantages of being born the son of a rick crook.  These men did not climb the ladder through achievements, then climbed the ladder but knocking every other person off of it. Look around you today.  Has there ever been so much hardship, bloodshed, chaoas and uncertainty?  Not to our knowledge but then we would never know because these fat cats also bought the Town Criers so no one knows what the is going on, we have to spend every free hour on the internet like detectives to find the truth. You should be paid well.  You make a very good Clapper. 1872

Rockefeller is tainted by the scandal surrounding the South Improvement Company scheme, a secret alliance between major refiners and the railroads. However, he uses the scheme to persuade other Cleveland refiners to sell out to Standard Oil. Following the so-called "Cleveland Massacre," Rockefeller owns 22 of the 26 refineries in town.

Laura gives birth to Edith.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:42 | 3266684 Vince Clortho
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Ahhh yesss!  The notion that if these men had not performed their deeds,  America would yet be in the stone age.

Railroads, Skyscrapers, automobiles and gasoline ... surely no ordinary mortals could have conceived these ideas.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:55 | 3266083 A Nanny Moose
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Capital does not care a bout arbitrary political boundaries, or the religion of Statism

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:10 | 3266113 newengland
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'Dont Be Fooled Again' (The Who). The lyrics say it all. 

Capitalism is the least harmful option, in my opinion. The biggest slaughter of people has come from socialism, communism, fascism, islamism. That's the fact, jack.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:52 | 3265925 williambanzai7
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The men who bilked America...


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:00 | 3265952 LetThemEatRand
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On this one point we can (hopefully) all agree -- they didn't build this.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:11 | 3265985 Banksters
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The term derives from the medieval German lords who charged tolls on ships traversing the Rhine without adding anything of value. (see robber baron).

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:06 | 3266092 williambanzai7
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In the case of the American robber barons, we have an example of men who built something and then positioned themselves unfairly to milk the populace and entrench their competitive position by means of predatory monopolistic behavior and cronyism.

The new robber barons have accomplished the same thing. But all they have built is a global TBTF Ponzi Klepto-pyramid.

Neither of the schlemiels pictured above can even claim credit for the ATM machine which Paul Volcker singled out as the only productive financial innovation he has seen in the last three decades.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:44 | 3266228 newengland
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The love  of money is the root of all evil. The use of money is a necessary thing. Only the Constitution of the USA comprehends the difference between those two things, imo.

Only modern politicians and gangsta bankstas have betrayed the Republic: a safe place for anyone who defends it.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 01:11 | 3266114 JR
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The word bank was borrowed in Middle English from Middle French banque, from Old Italian banca, from Old High German banc, bank "bench, counter". Benches were used as desks or exchange counters during the Renaissance by Florentine bankers, who used to make their transactions atop desks covered by green tablecloths.[12]

One of the oldest items found showing money-changing activity is a silver Greek drachm coin from ancient Hellenic colony Trapezus on the Black Sea, modern Trabzon, c. 350–325 BC, presented in the British Museum in London. The coin shows a banker's table (trapeza) laden with coins, a pun on the name of the city. In fact, even today in Modern Greek the word Trapeza (???????) means both a table and a bank. -- Wiki

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:52 | 3265926 Edward Fiatski
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There's certainly something, which had been built during that time period, as a consequence of "interesting events", and it is the Fed.

Novus Ordo Seclorum, bitchez.

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:57 | 3265938 NoDebt
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Thanks for the walk down memory lane.

This is an article on ZH?


Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:58 | 3265941 A Lunatic
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The Native Americans saw this shit a bit differently...............

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:00 | 3265953 otto skorzeny
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fuck them-they got casinos and alchoholism as a consolation prize

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:03 | 3265965 LetThemEatRand
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And they get to use the word "native" in a positive sense.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:12 | 3266848 GMadScientist
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As opposed to "gone native".

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:12 | 3266847 GMadScientist
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Not the dead ones or the kids they never had.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:17 | 3265999 Banksters
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Russell Means: Welcome To The Reservation

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:34 | 3266225 DavidPierre
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A strong voice out of Prisoner of War Camp #44.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 00:23 | 3266017 newengland
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'Native Americans' were immigrants from Asia, and killed each other mercilessly, so there's no reason to think they were better than white settlers who brought great literature, math, science and my family to this land. The 'native Americans' have fallen into the same pit as aboriginal people in Australia, and that is their choice.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 08:55 | 3266442 Buckaroo Banzai
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Read "The Frontiersmen" by Allen W. Eckert to read the real story about the American Indians in the 18th and early 19th centuries. They were an almost psychotically brutal race. It is historical fiction, but heavily cited and solidly based in reality.

Of course this isnt the story you'll find told in our educational system. It is despicable what the Cultural Marxists have done to history.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:21 | 3266887 GMadScientist
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You talk big for someone who can't even get past conceptions like "the American Indians" as a homogenous block of people (oversimplify much?).

Try 'Guns, Germs, and Steel'.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:15 | 3266860 GMadScientist
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Yes, I'm sure all that dressing up in red coats and forming lines and shooting muskets at each other was all very "civilized".

Your family came here because white people couldn't get along with other white people in England, dumbass.

(as if we didn't know you're actually a 2nd generation mick running from an IRA investigation and hiding in Southie anyway)

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:59 | 3265948 otto skorzeny
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nice of history channel to squeeze this in between episodes of jews on american pickers and pawn stars fucking goys out of $. why is this even on ZH?

Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:59 | 3265949 Banksters
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Tesla was a great American.


And he died penniless because psychopathic fucks mentioned above stole his inventions and left him penniless.  



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