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Guest Post: ObamaCare: The Neutron Bomb That Will Decimate Employment

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

ObamaCare will act as a neutron bomb on employment in the U.S. for two basic reasons.

Longtime readers know I have repeatedly explained why healthcare, i.e. sickcare, will bankrupt the nation. Here are two of the dozens of entries I've written on sickcare:
America's Hidden 8% VAT: Sickcare (May 10, 2012)
Can Chronic Ill-Health Bring Down Great Nations? Yes It Can, Yes It Will (November 23, 2011)
I have also explained why ObamaCare's "fixes" are simulacra reforms that don't even address the systemic costs arising from the cartel-fiefdom structure of sickcare:
Why "Healthcare Reform" Is Not Reform, Part I (December 28, 2009)
Why "Healthcare Reform" Is Not Reform, Part II (December 29, 2009)

Sickcare is unsustainable for a number of interlocking reasons: defensive medicine in response to a broken malpractice system; opaque pricing; quasi-monopolies/cartels; systemic disconnect of health from food, diet and fitness; fraud and paperwork consume at least 40% of all sickcare funds; fee-for-service in a cartel system; employers being responsible for healthcare, and a fundamental absence of competition and transparency.
Please glance at these charts to see how the U.S. healthcare costs are double those of competing nations on a per capita basis. Japan provides care for a mere 36% per person of what the U.S. spends--yet millions of Americans remain uninsured or underinsured.
If you set out to design a corrupt, inefficient, wasteful, unfair, deranged and unreformable system, you would arrive at U.S. healthcare.
Sickcare ignores the structural causes of our ill-health:
86% of Workers Are Obese or Have Other Health Issue Just 1 in 7 U.S. workers is of normal weight without a chronic health problem.
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), i.e. ObamaCare, is a neutron bomb for employment. A neutron bomb is an enhanced-radiation thermonuclear weapon that famously leaves buildings, autos, etc. intact but kills all the people, even those inside buildings, vehicles, etc.
ObamaCare will act as a neutron bomb on employment in the U.S. for two basic reasons:
1. It is immensely complex, and already-marginalized small business owners will shed employees or simply close rather than have to figure out what all those thousands of pages of regulations and statutes mean to the survival of their business.
2. ObamaCare's primary mechanisms of lowering costs, insurance exchanges and technocratic selection of "best care practices," do nothing to change the systemic flaws of sickcare.
Many other commentators have already outlined how ObamaCare is driving employers to replace fulltime workers with part-time workers to avoid having to pay outrageously expensive monthly healthcare insurance premiums. In this sense, the ObamaCare neutron bomb is already decimating fulltime employment.
I see this response as a Corporate-America strategy. Corporate America has the human resources infrastructure and financial heft to figure out compliance and exploit loopholes in the insanely complex law. Small business has neither the infrastructure nor the financial resources. Small business owners will rely on the same cartels that are currently providing insurance for guidance, and of course the ObamaCare offerings will suit the financial needs of sickcare cartels.
Once small business owners see the costs of their options, some may opt to pay the penalties and others may follow the corporate strategy of turning each fulltime job into two part-time jobs to avoid paying for coverage or penalties, but many will choose instead to call it quits: either downsize to a one-person/one-household business with no employees at all, or sell/close the enterprise and escape the burdens.
What the lobbyists and attorneys who wrote the Obamacare monstrosity do not understand (because they have no exposure to or experience in the real economy) is the fragility of most small businesses: costs keep rising but revenues are stagnant. The mental and financial stresses keep rising, and ObamaCare does nothing to mitigate either source of stress.
The inside-the-Beltway types who crafted this mess have no idea of the pressures facing legitimate (non-black-market) business in America, corporate and small business alike.
ObamaCare offers even more incentives for Corporate America to offshore operations, and it provides powerful incentives to millions of marginal small businesses to shut down or shed all employees.
I am not alone in simply not wanting to waste the time, money and energy required to understand the new law and its various impacts on my business. We will cling to our already insanely expensive private healthcare insurance, which by the way has been grandfathered in: new self-employed entrepreneurs won't be able to buy the absurdly costly policy we have--they will be offered a range of even worse deals, with higher costs and less coverage.
The neutron bomb has gone off, unseen by politicos and the Elites who wrote the bill. It is already decimating fulltime employment, and it will soon add momentum to the free-fall erosion of small business growth and employment.
The strip malls and office parks will still be standing; there just won't be many employees in them.

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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:16 | 3266856 GetZeeGold
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Necessarily so....we haven't shown you the full agenda.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:24 | 3266886 Richard Chesler
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"If you set out to design a corrupt, inefficient, wasteful, unfair, deranged and unreformable system, you would arrive at U.S. healthcare."

Cunt Pelosi must be so proud.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:26 | 3266905 Shell Game
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"Cunt Pelosi must be so proud."

The sick fucking thing, Dick, is that she is...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:32 | 3266938 true brain
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Notice that the cost took off at 1984; that's around that year that HMO concept was introduced and implemented.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:03 | 3267094 kaiserhoff
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This isn't the only thing killing America, but it would be sufficient.  It will suffice.



Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:42 | 3267797 James_Cole
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A good article on how everyone not on medicare is being totally ripped off in the US.

Healthcare is the ideal monopoly industry, with or without Obamacare.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 18:25 | 3268400 tbone654
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did anyone notice that employers are dropping spouses from medical coverage like crazy?  The bomb has already hit...

The best model is to divorce your spouse legally, continue to live with them...  Pay them 100% of your wages for services...  Sign up for state run healthcare at no cost...  sign up for state run food stamps at no cost...  sign up for rent assistance...  Free school lunches...  Do not own a house... etc.

There were benefits to being married... there are no more...  all a part of the communist democrat party plan...  No one from this point forward should marry in the U.S. if you have any business sense...  $235,000 average cost per child, etc.

Note: June marks the 50 year anniversary of the supreme court upholding the lower court ban on "prayer in school"...  I thank all you communist fucks for wrecking this country over the past 50 years...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:26 | 3266910 Bicycle Repairman
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"The neutron bomb has gone off, unseen by politicos and the Elites who wrote the bill."

They are fully aware.  They wrote the bill.  This crisis will not go to waste.  Imagine the popularity of our eventual "savior".

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266923 dracos_ghost
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I also think they are fully aware. This is textbook Cloward-Pivens strategy. The end game is destruction so they are on message.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:36 | 3266970 The Thunder Child
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Obamacare IS the endgame, it was fully designed to push us of the cliff.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:48 | 3267028 imapopulistnow
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As much as it appears - to any logical person - that those who designed this thing must know it will fail, sadly I would venture they do not have a clue. 

It is a combination of innumeracy and emotion-driven ideology.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:56 | 3267070 mayhem_korner
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It will fail if one believes that it is intended to improve access to and/or quality of healthcare.  But that is not it's objective.  It will succeed in its real objective.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:02 | 3267670 cynicalskeptic
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The OBJECTIVE was to feed the insurance companies - NOT to provide health care for the masses.  If you really wanted to provide health care (like every other western industrialized nation) you'd go with a single pay system (allowing additional paid for premium service if so desired - makes the elite feel better).

Costs in the US are due to all the OVERHEAD - insurance carriers that don;t want ot pay, docotrs and hospitals that waste half theor time trying to collect  and propped up drug costs and FRAUD (want a rascal hoverround free wheelchair diabetic supplies etc).

Only in the US does the money go not to the direct providers - doctors and hospitals but to the INSURANCE COMPANIES who are making record profits and the drug and supplies providers who collect HUGE mark-ups on their sales to gov't programs.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:52 | 3267257 Buckaroo Banzai
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There are good politicians, and evil politicians, but very few stupid politicians. (I mean besides you, Joe Kennedy).

Since they are not stupid, it goes without saying that they know exactly what they are doing.

It is important to remember, that these people, while very smart, are mentally disabled. You see, they are convinced that they know what's best for you and I, and they are going to ram it down our throats, whether we like it or not. "Baby must take its medicine!" It's a sick brew of megalomania, sociopathy, and narcissism.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:30 | 3267753 Endgamer
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Those who originally crafted Obamacare did so out of naïvité.  However, its sponsors have a complete understanding of the intended consequences and they've already named the bill after their scapegoat.  

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:54 | 3267059 mayhem_korner
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The endgame is consolidation of power.  Obamacare is just a component of it.  See Alinsky, More, Plato, and Marx for recipes to create the false god of utopia via central control.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:46 | 3267241 dick cheneys ghost
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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:52 | 3267265 Stoploss
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Old school Marx.  This is some really old school shit.

Where is Mcarthy when we need him?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:46 | 3267013 Chuck Walla
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Necessarily so....we haven't shown you the full agenda.



Can't fundamentally change America without crushing the people first. Education then welfare then health care prepares the sheeple for the "new" normal of dictatorship.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:30 | 3267189 Karl von Bahnhof
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Soviets were geniuses compared to this!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:53 | 3267267 Buckaroo Banzai
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The Soviets only dreamed of doing what these sick fucks in Washington DC are now doing.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:18 | 3267348 kaiserhoff
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Funny you should mention that.  One of my first comments on ZH many moons ago was along those lines.  As best I remember...

"If the KGB ever got to choose an American President, wouldn't Barry Hussein make the short list?"

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:27 | 3267373 Buckaroo Banzai
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Funny you should mention that. Because that's exactly what did happen.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:41 | 3267416 overmedicatedun...
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who had the time and finances to sit down and write 2000 plus pages of regs as in o bum a care..answer that and you know the reason it is a gift to some and the death of it sure was not one senator or congressman or thier staff who wrote this gigantic bill.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:46 | 3267604 Anusocracy
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Corporations that parasitize other corporations should be expected to arise.

Parasitism is a very successful strategy.



Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:46 | 3267240 midtowng
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The solution is a single-payer health care system just like the rest of the industrialized world has.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:13 | 3267338 Buckaroo Banzai
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BULLSHIT. The rest of the industrialized world is getting dragged down the drain by the burden of their single-payer systems. Look at how much cheaper medical care is in the so-called "non-industrialized world". The quality of care you can get in Thailand for the money you spend is astounding. Why is that?

Because there is a FREE MARKET for health care there.

I cannot fucking believe how obvious this is. Our healthcare system is so fucking socialized it's ridiculous, and yet there are so many turd-brains who cry for even more socialization of medicine. What a pathetic bunch of dimwits live in our country now.

We used to have a cash-for-services model in this country that WORKED GREAT. For those that couldn't pay, there was a robust network of charity hospitals. Your average doctor charged a reasonable cash fee. If you couldn't pay the posted fee, you worked out a barter arrangement or payment plan, or our doctor frequently simply reduced his fee on a case by case basis BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE BUSINESS OF HELPING PEOPLE GET BETTER, NOT GETTING RICH OFF HIS PATIENTS.

What a degenerate moral sewer this country has become.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:20 | 3267354 kaiserhoff
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Amen.  Break the monopoly power of the MDs and no one will need SICK INSURANCE.

That's the way America was, will into the seventies.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:26 | 3267540 Umh
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Most Doctors today work for a company instead of for themselves because they need the bureaucracy to deal with the insurance companies.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:54 | 3267638 Anusocracy
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And behind the insurance companies stands government and its regulations.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:00 | 3267474 GCT
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Bingo buckaroo wins the prize.  When living in the Far East medical care was indeed market driven.  I use several doctors and the visits were 15 bucks, the tests done in-house and the x-ray was 20 bucks.  Insurance and the government gots us to this point and now we are all basically screwed.

My brother has AIDs and his medication is over 1500 bucks a month.  Visiting Africa the same drug manufactured by the same company was 4 bucks. Until the American people actually wake up and get tired of being ripped off nothing will change. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:54 | 3267644 Oldwood
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The medical drug industry is about wealth redistribution. The reason why drugs are so cheap in Africa is because drug companies will basically give the drugs away there to prevent another company cloning them. All of the marketing and development costs are borne by Americans because this is the only country that will protect their patents. In order for free markets to work there have to be rules. Just like with our exporting of jobs due to competition with low wage countries, drug manufacturers would stop development of new drug technologies if they could not protect their patents. Your brother might well despise the drug companies for what they charge, but if there was not customer willing to pay the costs would the drug even exist?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 19:49 | 3268649 Savvy
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If Americans made what Africans did, the drugs would cost 4 bucks in the US too

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:20 | 3267910 NeedtoSecede
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Wish I could keep hammering tha Green Arrow for you Buck.  Nothing more needs to be said on this subject.

Oh ya, Pelosi is a CUNT, I agree with that point too.

We are so fucked.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 19:44 | 3268616 Savvy
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Not really. U.S. GDP per capita income is $48,112 India's (for ie) is $3,627. While a $5k knee replacement for you may seem a great deal (and they do have some of the world's finest surgeons) for an average Indian it's as out of reach as a $65k knee replacement is for the average American. If you have the cash to fly to India to take advantage of this, by all means, I sure as hell would rather than spend the horific amount it costs in the US and for more than financial reasons too.


You say:

The rest of the industrialized world is getting dragged down the drain by the burden of their single-payer systems.


Really? source? Perhaps demographics will play a role in the not too distant future but I haven't heard much noise about it. I pay $120.50/mnth for two adults (I'm self employed, not covered by employer) for total complete healtcare, no deductibles. So perhaps you could explain how Canada can provide complete health care for all it's citizens at half the cost the US does with so many problems (outrageous premiums, high deductibles, 50 million unisnured and often no coverage at all despite having a plan)?

I'll add. illegal immigrants do not get health care provided.

edit to add. Obamacare exacerbates everything wrong with US H/C unbelievably damaging it will be.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:09 | 3270062 MedTechEntrepreneur
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I can tell you all as a Medical insider that Obamacare is ALREADY cratering the medical market.  The American Bioengineering and Lifesciences  in emerging medical devices leads the world in innovation.  Now, companies that I work with and my own company  are being devastated by the Venture Capital market drying up like a Serengenti drought. The FDA was already chasing a lot of business to Europe...and now this.  Obamacare with its device tax and associated cost explosion will kill the emerging device market for a generation or even perhaps permanetly....pending an American Spring, that is....

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:21 | 3267532 Umh
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I will give you credit for knowing that Obamacare is worse than a single-payer health care system. That doesn't make a single-payer plan a great idea just better than what the Democrats cooked up.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:57 | 3267651 Anusocracy
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"The solution is a single-payer health care system ..."

The solution is the separation of government from existence.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:52 | 3267445 Dingleberry
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Here is the logic:

Obamacare=job loss=unemployment/welfare/SNAP cards n' shit=more "poor & disenfranchised"= Dem votes.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:11 | 3267510 mercenaryomics
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And don't forget how many government-teet-suckling dem voters  a $9 minimum wage will produce...  

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:01 | 3267662 Anusocracy
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Harry Browne once said that the government breaks your leg and then offers itself as a crutch.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:15 | 3266858 localsavage
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No reason to see this as a problem we will just "drop" some more and keep the numbers steady and Benny will print some more to pay for it.  Problem solved  DOW 20k bitches

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:54 | 3267061 max2205
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it's the robot it

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:16 | 3266862's picture

Can they just let me go to the Pharmacy and buy some anti-biotics already when I need them like the rest of the world....would save tons of money...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:19 | 3266873 maskone909
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**edit. oxycodone/vicodin ftmfw

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:21 | 3266885 TheGreatOutdoors
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Consumers self-prescribing antibiotics (and not finishing the full course because they begin to feel better) is a big factor in the emergence of drug-resistant bacteria.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:28 | 3266907 dwdollar
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I guess all those antibiotics used on animals don't do anything?

Just another bogus lie used by Uncle Scam's sick-care industry... Resistance happens regardless.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266922 Bicycle Repairman
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Shhhh.  The meme is that over-use of anti-biotics by you causes the problem.  Stay on script.  Leave the "food industry" alone.  They know what they're doing.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:02 | 3267852 Matt
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It's the same thing; the consumer is the factory farm, since the individual animal was not diagnosed with a disease by a veterinarian and prescribed the antibiotic. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:59 | 3267470 Meat Hammer
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Statists get mad when you don't let them frame the debate.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:43 | 3267004 Winston of Oceania
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Complete bs, it is the antibiotics they feed your meat source that's doing that. Cows so sick on hormones and what we feed them that we have to pump them full of antibiotics to keep them growing twice the normal rate.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:05 | 3267674 Anusocracy
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Where do you get your prescription antibiotics ever the counter?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 17:39 | 3268229 Matt
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Mexico? Pet and farm supply stores?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:34 | 3267971 NeedtoSecede
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Who the fuck are you here trolling for TGO?  Are you some lacky from Nanny Bloomberg's Home Office or something, lecturing us about anti-biotics?  JFC, how many people die every year from medical "mistakes" while in the fucking hospital?  How many people die from infections they get while in the fucking hospitals? And these same fucking cocksuckers who kill patients by the thousands every year are in bed with them same cocksockers who are trying to tell me how many bullets my guns (which have killed nobody) should hold.  Go fuck yourself with your worthless fucking lecture!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266928 SwimmininNawlins
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Great link, thanks

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:47 | 3267020 The Gooch
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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266890 francis_sawyer
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Nope ~ the 'Bankers Incorporated' want you sick so they can print MOAR money for themselves... No profits in everybody being healthy...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:29 | 3266916 Winston Churchill
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Google 'fishmox".

Exact same manufactures,pills,dosages repackaged as fish anti biotics.

No script required.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:37 | 3266969's picture

My fish does look kinda sickly now that you mention it...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:40 | 3266987 The Thunder Child
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Good tidbit there, I was having problems acquiring that prep.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:47 | 3267025 Chuck Walla
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Can they just let me go to the Pharmacy and buy some anti-biotics already when I need them like the rest of the world....would save tons of money...

A franchise is worthless if its not protected at all hazards, like politicians and lawyers...


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:57 | 3267078 F22
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MRSA, VRE, VRSA...... These are just a sampling of the superbugs we've created with the current flawed system.  If anyone can buy antibiotics whenever they want, there will be no effective solution for any infection.  The pathogens evolve far more quickly than we will be able to create new drugs.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:05 | 3267107 kaiserhoff
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My new fave avatar;)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:24 | 3267365 ebworthen
ebworthen's picture said:  "Can they just let me go to the Pharmacy and buy some anti-biotics already when I need them like the rest of the world....would save tons of money..."

That's why they don't let you, it would save you money and lose them money; that's what it's all about.


Moneycare for them, not healthcare for us.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:33 | 3267390 joego1
joego1's picture, get the fish antibiotics. The exact same as human stuff just have a fish on the label.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:35 | 3267394 joego1
joego1's picture, get the fish antibiotics. The exact same as human stuff just have a fish on the label.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:51 | 3267440 LedMizer
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:24 | 3266872 Cognitive Dissonance
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"The neutron bomb has gone off, unseen by politicos and the Elites who wrote the bill."

Sorry Charles, but that is accusing those who pushed this monstrosity of simple ignorance or blindness. Neither is the case. They knew what they were doing when they started down this slope. And so we should have as well. 

Now we will reap what they have sown.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:28 | 3266913 Shell Game
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ay-gawd, CD, reminds me of that gem from her Highness..


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:21 | 3267159 Cognitive Dissonance
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Even she had a problem speaking such nonsense without mentally and verbally stumbling.

<That does not compute.>

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:39 | 3266982 akarc
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"And so we should have as well. 

Now we will reap what they have sown."


Which is cause and consequence of damn near every problem in this country.

We should have known

we did not care to

We should have taken action

we did not care to

we should have been responsible citizens

we were not

we will reap what "WE" have sown.

And then bitch about it!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:08 | 3267115 kaiserhoff
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Well said CD, but if this crowd isn't ready for what's coming, no one is.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:24 | 3267168 Miss Expectations
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So then you have to ask yourself, why doesn't Charles see?  Simple ignorance, blindness or complicity? 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:15 | 3267879 Cognitive Dissonance
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IMHO Charles believes in the system, just not this system. He has his own ideology and thinks if only we changed this or tweeked that everything will be somewhat better.

He thinks it is just a matter of a few bad apples. Or even many bad apples. Doesn't matter. He will not look directly into the abyss.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:19 | 3266874 Shizzmoney
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I can't wait for my premiums to go up, ad nauseum, for the rest of my life.

There WILL be mass layoffs due to ObamaCare.  Corporatized Health Care is even worse than Single Payer.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:32 | 3266937 Bicycle Repairman
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"Corporatized Health Care is even worse than Single Payer."

Yes.  Let's solve this crisis once and for all.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:21 | 3266876 TheGreatOutdoors
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*Removed - reply placed in wrong thread.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:20 | 3266878 gaoptimize
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A key component of our economic problems well addressed.  Thanks.  You will never see this discussed so well in big-pharma sponsored MSM. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:20 | 3266880 Yellowhoard
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For the last time, ObamaCare is designed to kill old people.

Old people are expensive.

It's not complicated.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:27 | 3266911 mayhem_korner
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It's designed to increase central control of the allocation of services.  As is the objective of all statist policies.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:34 | 3266950 Yellowhoard
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No argument here.

Central control is necessary to reward the newly brainwashed youth and kill off the older generation that disagrees with the new paradigm.

All kinds of budget problems and empire building objectives are accomplished with national healthcare.

It's a level of evil that is really hard to get your mind around.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:38 | 3266976 Winston of Oceania
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Helps out with those pesky unfunded liabilities hanging over our heads as well...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:42 | 3267000 mayhem_korner
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It's a level of evil that is really hard to get your mind around.


+1 well said.

It's right in the strike zone of the statist playbook, though.  Use the "undeniable" - in this case, everyone's "right" to have their bodies taken care of - as a buttress for engineering resource allocations.  Most of the major tenets of statism anchor to some "undeniable" veil - "educating our children", "caring for the sick", "feeding the poor", "taking care of our seniors".  No one dares to challenge these veils for fear of being labeled discompassionate.  But it is all a LIE.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:20 | 3267353 Buckaroo Banzai
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In order to control people, you need to control their minds (PUBLIC EDUCATION AND HIGHER EDUCATION).

To completely control their minds, you must also control their bodies.

That means you must control their food (MONSANTO) and their health (OBAMACARE).

You also need to make sure they can't physically resist ("COMMON SENSE" GUN CONTROL)

You also need to make sure they can't mentally resist (PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS, FLUORIDES IN THE WATER)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:29 | 3266914 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Actually, the real plan for old people is this: Get them to spend their last bucks buying foreclosures in Florida, move there, then BAM, global warming floods the whole place underwater, and washes them all out into the Gulf of Mexico, where they absorb oil, and help fish populations recover. It's science, science!

Extra credit: Hidden waiver in a congressional bill exempting insurance companies from paying for the houses. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:59 | 3267081 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I see you old haters have no sense of humor, or you fear this is the real plan. I see why MDB gets a thrill on trolling for idiots.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:59 | 3267283 mayhem_korner
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The thing about humor needs to be funny.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:31 | 3267557 RSBriggs
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And in most cases, the truth usually isn't very funny...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:40 | 3266962 Winston of Oceania
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"Old people are expensive" You are quite correct in the regard of their usefulness to the State. Remember comrades; the health care system is nothing more than an organ of the State and as such a consumer (us sheeple) must at least not pose a burden to the State. If you can no longer work what right have you to "retire" to a life of leisure while your fellows toil , er I mean serve the glory of the the State.


"It's not against right, it's You against the State" Ludwig von Mises

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:45 | 3267012 mayhem_korner
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Old people are also insightful, witty, and the ultimate destination of everyone hoping to avoid a premature visit to the mortician.

Among the worst things Obamacare does is neuter the remaining beauty inherent in the elderly.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:21 | 3267153 Shizzmoney
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For the last time, ObamaCare is designed to kill old people.

And poor young people (unless they bow to their corporate masters).

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:32 | 3267565 RSBriggs
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Poor, young, white people.   There, fixed it for you.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:40 | 3267224 secret_sam
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You're clearly quite crazy.  It would be far easier to kill old people if that's what anyone wanted to do.  Just cut off the Medicare.

ACA is about increasing government subsidies to the FIRE sector.  FIRE owns government and they want more money.  "ObamaCare" is how they're getting it.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:00 | 3267288 hootowl
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It is also designed to kill new people/newborn/preborn citizens.  They are also expensive and pay no taxes/tribute for years.  Nearly 60,000,000 (that's 60 million) preborn American citizens have been legally murdered since 1973, many of whom would have been paying taxes/tribute by now..(unintended consequences?) ...Thus the desperate need for the illegal alien invasion of instant tributees for fleecing to try to keep the governmental scam afloat a little longer.....again a failure of central planning as the illegal alien "tributees" are actually succoring parasites feeding off the few remaining domestic tributee sheeple who have been deluded/coerced/intimidated into their fuedalist role as hosts for both the demented liberal (Is that redundant?) domestic parasites and the illegal alien parasitical hordes.



Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:07 | 3267497 secret_sam
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The unborn aren't citizens.  You should read the Constitution one of these days--it's discussed there.  Some folks consider that an important document.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266895 JustObserving
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Everyone know that the US is bankrupt due to medical care costs.  Unfunded liabilities for Medicare are $107 trillion or $340,000 per citizen.

And they rise at least $6 trillion a year or $20,000 per citizen per year.

The US makes Greece look like a model of financial propriety.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:32 | 3266896 DutchDude
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Reminds me of the Dutch healthcare system... almost 20% of GDP is spent on healthcare by our goverment, AND all people are obliged to pay a montly insurance fee of at least €110,- (cartels) with a risk of €200-500,-

And those fees have risen 5~10% for the last years...

If you don't pay; there's a 30% fine, but if you still don't pay... well, nothing really happens if you're broke; you're still getting treatment. The costs are being couched up by the rest. In a country with more and more broke people costs are begint payed by less and less people... it's going out of control here. Some parties plan on making that fee income dependable; families earning ~50-70K a year should pay up to €500,- a person if it's up to the socialists! This plan almost passed voting in the Netherlands!

Hope that's not heading your way fellow ZH-ers in the states!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:54 | 3267458 Dingleberry
Dingleberry's picture is. See you at the bottom.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:25 | 3266897 lakecity55
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So, was this  the main WMD in the Cloward-Piven strategy?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:26 | 3266906 toys for tits
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The 30 hours is the new work week.

This will result in some new part time hirings, which will offset the full-time firings.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266926 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I believe the GOVT calls this job creation. For every 4 full time jobs, I can create 5 part time jobs. It's like fractional reserve employment.I think I need to run for CONgress. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:02 | 3267093 El Crusty
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yup, and i was just in lowes the day before yesterday. they had a big "now hiring" sign next to the front door with all the positions listed- seasonal employment ( part time ) shelf stockers ( part time) cashiers ( part time) garden center workers ( again, part time)

there are no more full time jobs avaliable for the average hourly worker period.  the hourly workforce is quickly turning into a "new normal" where you have to work 2 or even 3 part time jobs just to get a full work week.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:20 | 3267352 seek
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I saw the same at my doctor's office, of all places. He has a tough timebeing profitable as is, with O-care he had to make his full-time staff part time, and then had to bring in part-time staff to make up the deficit in hours.

I talked with him about it, he said his two choices were to move staff to part time and add staff, or move staff to part time and drop one day that the office is open (thus reducing revenues) he was open to reducing open hours, but fixed costs were eating him alive.

I am so fucking happy the last employee I had in my business left 11 years ago. I have nothing against people working for me, but have issues with the government making it unaffordable to do so.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:53 | 3267449 DoChenRollingBearing
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Great anecdote.  This looks to be an unfortunate model for small business everywhere here in the USA now.  Our small business is in Peru.  No such burden there, yet anyway.

And I think I will have more of my own medical work done there as well.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:29 | 3266919 howenlink
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I can't find the freeking Fast Forward button, the Rewind button, or the Pause button.  What the heck kind of system is this?!?

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:30 | 3267755 Anusocracy
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There is only a self-destruct button.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:30 | 3266920 yogibear
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Bubble Bernanke and the Fed will just keep being the buyer of last resort for US debt.

Their on their way to following Japan in the Zimbabwe economic plan.

The US follows Japan in a currency crisis  some time later.

Bernanke and the Fed laid out their cards.

The Fed has no exit plan because they cannot exit. They all know this in the Federal Reserve.

Continuation until the dollar blows up. Zimbabwe financial system or bust!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:31 | 3266929 secret_sam
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The ACA is shit, definitely, but let's get real.  The system was totally fucked WAYYYYY before "ObamaCare" came along.

The real issue is Medicare.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:33 | 3266941 lakecity55
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Insurance companies should be able to do business over state lines. A compnay in Idaho might offer better plans for you than one in your state, IMO.

Also, restrain tort lawyers.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:36 | 3266967 mayhem_korner
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restrain tort lawyers.


That conjured up images of almost-VP John Edwards, which made me throw up a little...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:21 | 3267530 mercenaryomics
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Haven't you been listening to glorious leader? Commerce over state lines sounds dangerously close to "free markets." I'm sorry but I'm forced by big sister to say something when I see something, I must report you to my local drone operator. Actually, I'm not sorry, for every suspected domestic terrorism report I file, I get an extra chocolate ration. 

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:12 | 3267699 MachoMan
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Could you please articulate the problem with tort lawyers and the "broken malpractice system"(O.P./author)?  I see this a lot, but I'm curious of your bases.  Is it that malpractice insurance is too costly?  That there are too many large jury awards for malpractice?  Please advise.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:40 | 3266985 L_Conquistador
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But now everyone is required to participate and take a bite of the she-ite sandwich.  We'd be better off to go back to the Wild-West every man for himself healthcare system.  If some fat ass wants to drink big gulps all day, get diabetes, and ride off into the sunset, let him.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:14 | 3267136 secret_sam
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"Requirements" that you can ignore really aren't, if you think about it.  And we pay for every fat ass as soon as they've lived long enough--that's been around a long time.

The real issue is Medicare.  It is basically the SOURCE of every single one of the truly fucked up aspects of the US healthcare industry.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:31 | 3266932 stant
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"down to one person business" allready there

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:28 | 3267378 joego1
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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:32 | 3266933 busted by the b...
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"The neutron bomb has gone off, unseen by politicos and the Elites who wrote the bill. It is already decimating fulltime employment,"

I'm not saying it won't have any effect, but it should be showing up in the withholding tax data, jobless claims, and employment numbers, no?  I don't see it yet.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:20 | 3267152 aardvarkk
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If the Fed stopped printing to the sky, I bet you'd notice something.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:40 | 3267592 Umh
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Having your hours reduced doesn't make you unemployed.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:33 | 3266942 Seasmoke
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If you ask to work over 30 hours one more time , you are fired !!

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:34 | 3266943 Bicycle Repairman
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Will you people with wealth just give it up and die already?  The "economy" thanks you.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:48 | 3266951 mayhem_korner
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Once the relationship between the payer and the beneficiary is broken (or socialized), the wheels are off.  Healthcare is no different than anything else.  Indeed, it is the poster child of brokenness, the mother of all dumping grounds for free-ridership and fiscal malevolence.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:35 | 3266952 trillion_dollar...
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I maintain this law will never be implemented to full effect. The biggest mistake made by proponents of this piece of shit is attaching Obama's name to it. Once its effects truly begin to be felt, there will be less and less incentive for them to fight for it given that Obama has already won reelection and he will no longer be president in 2017. On top of that, they all are slowly coming to realize how difficult it will be to implement and how far reaching the unintended consequences will be. I expect implementation to be delayed past the 2014 midterm, so the Democrats up for reelection can try to escape the impending debacle that will consume the first 2-3 years of what will end up being the short life of this bill.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 12:35 | 3267210 gamera9
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No consequences for dems, with MSM help they will blaime it on the repub, or Bush.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:02 | 3267482 Meat Hammer
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And that's all part of the master plan.  Blame the destruction of the economy on capitalism and its supporters, the GOP.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:10 | 3267505 secret_sam
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What do you mean "attaching Obama's name"?  It's called the Affordable Care Act.

The fact that it's called "ObamaCare" is just evidence of how effective the Republican-leaning elements of the press are at indoctrinating their victims.

For some reason, no one refers to the prescription-drug benefits added to Medicare in '03 as "DubyaCare."

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:37 | 3267582 RSBriggs
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There ARE no "Republican leaning" elements of the press...

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:23 | 3267926 secret_sam
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You've never heard of the Wall Street Journal or the New York Post, huh?

I guess I'm not surprised.  You must be getting your news from USA Today or something.  Heh.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 15:23 | 3267729 trillion_dollar...
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What do you mean "attaching Obama's name"?  It's called the Affordable Care Act.

Its coloquially refered to as Obamacare. Even Obama doesnt mind the name since he has stated that the law shows that "he cares". You and other proponents may not like that. But, deal with it.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:21 | 3267908 secret_sam
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It's a Republican talking-point to call it "ObamaCare."  Just like the estate tax is the death tax.

What's interesting about our propaganda system is that so few people even *realize* they're brainwashed by the media.

(PS: Not that it matters, but I'm completely opposed to the law, as would be obvious to anyone with the most rudimentary reading comprehension.  I'm sorry your schooling failed you.)

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:35 | 3266953 Tsar Pointless
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If any of you people still believe that our "legislators" write these bills, when you already know they don't READ them, you are not worthy of taking another breath.

So, those of you of this mindset, kindly refrain from oxygen intake, and do your part in allowing a decrease in healthcare costs.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:49 | 3267035 mayhem_korner
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I for one believe that our legislators can neither read nor write.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:36 | 3266959 Marley
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Yeah, and don't forget about the shadow market and free trade.  Those really helped employment.

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Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:36 | 3266965 Eugene9876
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This article misses the point. US employment is already decimated, and the powers that be already know that.  Obamacare is simply a mechanism to:

(1) suck up remaining wealth and funnel it into baby boomer health care,

(2) force independent physicians into large collectives and ram underpaying medicare down their throats,

(3) function as a massive new non-outsourcable US jobs program, just like tech in the 1990s, and housing bubble in 2000's, and

(4) then finally collapse in 2021 when the reconciliation mechanism used to pass the bill terminates.  Of course, the health care bubble will be so big at that point, it will be time to "renegotiate" and the providers will have very little leverage in the imploding bubble, and the resulting new gvmt health care system will be much much stingier.


Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:37 | 3266972 Sizzurp
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Debt tower waiting to crash.  This will probably be what pushes it over.  Someone other than a Marxist "progressive", as they like to call themselves, is going to have to clean house when it's over.  

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 13:26 | 3267370 seek
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I think the Marxists are trying to set themselves up to be the clean-up crew. Pretty sure that's in the playbook, crash the existing system intentionally to rebuild it as the one you want.

They, of course. are delusional about how much compliance they will get. The parasites will join right up, but the producers will go Galt on them. That's already happening. The best the can hope for is a broken copy of the Soviet era, and it'll be a shadow of even that. More likely they get a civil war they're not prepared to fight themselves, and many of those that they would send in as proxies are on the other team.

Interesting times indeed.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:38 | 3266980 NoWayJose
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This isn't rocket science - the plan will be to suck as many people into the Obamacare National Plan, using taxpayer money to undercut private insurers.  Once the private insurers go bust (or agree to partner with the Obamacare National Plan and its restrictions), we will see a graduated monthly fee based on income so that the poor get this for free and the rich get soaked.  And, of course, the Obamacare National Plan will need to start rationing care, just as many social medicine countries do.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 16:19 | 3267902 Westcoastliberal
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Apparently, you've not read up on "Obamacare". It is NOT some national insurance plan in lieu of private insurance, rather it is designed to protect their interests. Spend some quality time at this link and education yourself; Jose if you can see it.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:39 | 3266983 Number 156
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Sorry, but your Nanny State thinking is making you wrong on a couple of points.

Telling people what they cant eat and that they are making poor choices got us here in the mess called universal health care.

All you need to do is enforce the law, and other than law enforcement, government needs to get out of it altogether.

Every time they come to 'fix' something, it ALWAYS ends up like Amtrak or worse.



Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:50 | 3267042 mayhem_korner
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+1 Amtrak.  Customer service that has to be experienced to be believed.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:40 | 3266988 ramacers
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all the better for rivers of blood. gotta happen.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:50 | 3267040 rwe2late
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systemic disconnect of health from food, diet and fitness

No disagreement, but other disconnects deserve mention,

such as:

from debilitating workplaces

from polluted environment

from disabling militarism

from Prohibition II and the ancillary mass prison industry

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 14:34 | 3267572 mercenaryomics
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Maybe your downvoters enjoy GMO food watered from Monsanto-pesticide creek, slapped onto non-decaying constructed "bread" with a patty of diseased-cow-fed cattle and some corn-syrup based condiments colored with artificial red #3 and yellow #24 and flavored with that beaver puss sack stuff. Yummy!

And big pharma along with the prison guard unions fund the anti-pot laws, maybe downvoters prefer having to go purchase drugs through the cartel instead of growing their own substitutes under threat of fines, imprisonment and loss of life.   

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:53 | 3267053 q99x2
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The business model works great. It moves all the wealth into the hands of the most durable and prosperous and then allows them to purchase everything for less until they are sent to prisons. That is how things work so what's the big deal.

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:55 | 3267065 silvertrain
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im wondering how    "you gotta get your chip or no healthcare"    is going to work out...??

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:55 | 3267066 silvertrain
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im wondering how    "you gotta get your chip or no healthcare"    is going to work out...??

Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:57 | 3267067 Waterfallsparkles
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Now under Obamacare there are a lot of drugs and procedures that are no longer available.

My Cousins Dad takes a drug called Xarelo as a blood thinning agent.  This Drug is no longer available to him.

A friends Husband who is now 80 years old is no longer eligible for dialysis.

I guess they will just have to hurry up and die already.

The death squads are now in place and functioning.

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