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Submitted by Steve Hass of TheDiplomat.com

Why Wasn’t There A Chinese Spring?

It has now been two years since the self-immolation of the Tunisian street vendor, Mohamed Bouazizi, provided the spark that set the Arab world aflame. A wave of protests spread throughout the region in quick succession and led to the overthrow of long ruling autocrats in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Libya, and possibly Syria.

The collapse of regimes like Hosni Mubarak’s in Egypt, which many considered “an exemplar of…durable authoritarianism” was a salient reminder to many that such revolutions are “inherently unpredictable.” Before long some began to speculate that the protest movements might spread to authoritarian states outside the Arab world, including China. Indeed, the Chinese government was among those that feared the unrest would spread to China because, as one observer noted, China faced the same kind of “social and political tensions caused by rising inequality, injustice, and corruption” that plagued much of the Arab world on the eve of the uprisings.

Alas it was not to be as the Chinese government has proven far more durable than many of its counterparts in the Arab world. This inevitably raises the question of what factors differentiated the Chinese government from its Arab counterparts in places like Egypt?

Fortunately,in the more than two years since Mubarak fell, a number of theories have been advanced to explain the Arab Spring.

One set of explanations has centered on social and economic drivers. According to this reasoning, unrest in the region was driven by a highly discontented and mobilized society. Youth unemployment and official corruption enraged citizens throughout much of the Arab world and the diffusion of new communications technologies, particularly social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter, enabled these individuals to channel these grievances into effective anti-regime collective action.

One shortcoming of this explanation is that the same sources of discontent and social media websites are available throughout the developing world, but successful revolutions are rare. In China, for example, official statistics suggest youth unemployment is low, but independent research has found that the problem may be large and growing, particularly among the type of young, urban and highly educated groups who have spearheaded many revolutions historically. Meanwhile, cross-national measures of corruption place China squarely between Tunisia and Egypt. Finally, Internet penetration rates also place China shoulder-to-shoulder with Tunisia and Egypt, and social media has increasingly appeared as a critical tool for mobilizing Chinese protestors in frequent “mass incidents,” and spreading news of sensitive topics, such as official corruption and public health threats posed by environmental pollution.

Many academics have made the case that the quality of authoritarian rule in Egypt, Tunisia and other toppled dictatorships has lagged behind that in China, causing a breakdown in the former but not the latter. Beijing has developed crack internal security forces for dispersing crowds and constructed its regime around a hegemonic, well-established political party. While these explanations have merit, researchers had identified similar authoritarian support in the Arab world immediately before the turbulent year of 2011. One key to the resilience of regimes in Tunisia and Egypt were their “robust” security forces, which were well-trained and armed – thanks in part to generous American support – and supposedly fiercely loyal to the regime.

Meanwhile, Mubarak and Ben Ali were carefully institutionalizing their regimes by constructing hegemonic political parties and skillfully using nominally democratic elections and legislatures to maintain regime cohesion and co-opt potential challengers. Meanwhile, in China, presumed to be bolstered by more effective institutions, public scandals surrounding high-ranking leaders, such as the wealth of Wen Jiabao’s family or the dramatic fall of Bo Xilai, and the malfeasance and corruption of middle and low-ranking officials, reveal that politics within the CCP may not be as orderly, managed and predictable as once imagined. 

But, of course, the Chinese regime has not collapsed and does not seem to be in its death throes. This is puzzling in some respects, because the country experiences annual protests that reportedly topped 180,000 as recently as 2010. Clearly popular discontent is high and Chinese citizens participate in contentious politics in large numbers, but these remain mostly localized affairs targeted at local issues, such as corrupt, low-ranking officials who engage in land grabs. Aside from the June 4 incident of 1989, they have not transformed into protest movements coordinated on a national scale and positioned against the central government itself, as appeared rapidly in Tunis and Egypt’s Tahrir square.

So why have Chinese citizens trended towards localized protests rather than the national protest movements seen in the Arab spring? As discussed in an important body of research, one source of this difference is linked to the structure of the state itself. In China, unlike most autocracies – including Mubarak’s Egypt and Ben Ali’s Tunisia—the state is highly decentralized. Local governments are given a substantial level of autonomy over development policies as well as social management – decisions related to dealing with popular challengers through repression or alternatively, the extension of concessions.

Since local authorities make decisions over the carrots and sticks used to address the demands of citizens with a high degree of autonomy, these officials rather than the national leadership or the regime itself are the primary target of most protest actions. In fact, it is a common phenomenon in China that aggrieved locals will appeal to the Center for assistance against corrupt local officials, even making reference to local officials’ poor enforcement of central directives and policies.Thus, the struggles faced by everyday Chinese are often directed at particular local officials and local issues, limiting the desire of protestors to take the dangerous leap of coordinating their actions across local communities to challenge the regime itself.

As a consequence, much like the Middle East, the years 2011 and 2012 have been ones characterized by very high levels of protest activities in China. However, because of the decentralized nature of the Chinese state, these battles have been ones won and lost by claimants contesting local officials rather than challenging the regime itself.

 

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Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:03 | 3269878 de3de8
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As with everything, only a matter of time.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:12 | 3269888 DoChenRollingBearing
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That would be a big part of my take as well, a matter of time.  China is a place with many problems, and their turn will come when the popular discontent reaches a high enough level.  Another "tick tock".

But, Oriental culture (respect for authority, etc.) as well as the localized .govs there (which I did not know about until reading this article) does seem like they will keep the lid for now.

Still, in the end, CHINA is going to explode, and it will be big.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:21 | 3269905 francis_sawyer
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Year of the barbeced flame broiled snake?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:22 | 3269910 akak
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Year of Wok Your Dog.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3269939 DeadFred
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Soros didn't fund the Chinese spring. Enough said.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3269949 john39
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yeah, but he is busily funding the american spring...   divide and conquer...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:48 | 3270031 Bicycle Repairman
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This is the American spring?  Feels like November to me.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:47 | 3270226 phyuckyiu
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Well, Soros did try actually, but when they had a policeman every 100 feet on the boulevard ready to dissapear the first person who shows anything related to a 'lotus flower' (gotta love color revolutions by the book), he realized he didn't have enough spies to pull it off.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:53 | 3270343 ZerOhead
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Guest Post: Why Wasn’t There A Chinese Spring?

Hmmm... Let me guess... Small Chinese testicles producing an insufficient amount of testosterone or well behaved individuals in a society that due to population density appreciates order and conformity perhaps?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:46 | 3270497 akak
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You just described AnAnonymous to a (low) T.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 20:03 | 3270517 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A sane comment. And it must be added that Chinese citizenism is the biggest scam in human history, as they pictured themselves as the antithesis of the regime existing in those days, while ambitioning to become a bigger version.

Duplicity.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 21:07 | 3270627 akak
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Indeedly, Chinese 'american' Citizenismistic ambitionalizing is the crustiest bit of the mattering thing, definitely a certain self-indictable factualized something.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 21:34 | 3270670 Half_A_Billion_...
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This writer is a moron; it's all about food prices.  When food is gone, the women want war or revolution, and they get it.  When food is here, the women stay away from men raging for war.  

 

As the saying goes: "When there's food on the table, there are lots of problems.  When there's no food on the table, there is one problem."

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 06:35 | 3271188 TwoShortPlanks
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It's been 5 years now, and I'm still waiting for that American Spring.

Pot this is Kettle, come in Pot, do you read me...you're black...over!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 06:44 | 3271189 TwoShortPlanks
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And you'll never see a Spring from those Perma-Slave Russians, slaves to Communisim, slaves to Mafia, the women are slaves to fashion and bling, the men are slaves to Vodka!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:26 | 3271210 Supernova Born
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Darwin is bored by the question.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:50 | 3270344 knukles
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Because the Chinese aren't Arabs, silly

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 20:16 | 3270528 nmewn
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The One Hundred Word Eulogy...Duck Duck Go it ;-)

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:14 | 3272084 knukles
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OK nmewn, I give.
So a few of 'em are.

(God, some people just gotta pick pick pick pick)

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 21:17 | 3270638 Karl von Bahnhof
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He did. But they were not stupid.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3272071 All Risk No Reward
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It isn't Soros, it is bigger than Soros.  The real shot callers avoid the public attention so you can focus on the smaller players (relative to the bigs, anyway).

This is true - the Big Finance Captital controlled CIA wasn't funding and financing a revolution in China.

Not to mention the China "boot" on that neck is quite a bit heavier.

That's why Rockefeller (and Big Fiannce Capital) loves his little "Chinese model" so much he wants to implement Mao's "success" in America.

Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution (60-80 million dead), it has obviously succeeded (controlled slaves!) not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration (more sophisticated slave masters!), but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose (work for the master or get sent to prison where your organs will be snatched for cash!). The social experiment (wicked evil) in China under Chairman Mao's leadership (#1 mass murder in human history) is one of the most important and successful in human history (can't wait to bust America and the West and implement this model everywhere!).– David Rockefeller

But don't worry, ZeroHedge authors consistently tell you the 5th grade level math financial collapse of America is because central bankers are juvenile.

Fluoride heads under mass perception management (useful idiots) or Vichy traitors?  The reader must decide.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:38 | 3270489 WmMcK
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Wok, don't run.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 05:27 | 3271154 Ctrl_P
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Year of the Horse Burger.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 20:31 | 3270547 plaspotje
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nothing here is going to happen, unlike the arab world , the west controls here nothing, China has kept the west out along it borders for over 100 years, remember all these little wars vietnam korea ext ext. no israel here either to sow discontent and no religion to speak of  everyone is buddhist and goes to temple to find out how much money they will make this year  hahaha.

Chinese are gamblers and see a future in everything so it keeps them busy trying to make more money, unlike the west, only stupid people here get screwed by government.   they have kept out the western bank and money handlers for good reason, just imagion the damage these criminals could have done in China.  the usa fed is helping the euro banks because the damage wallstreet has caused , now imagion what China's damand would have been from the usa fed.

i live here 4 years and i see discontend but i also see people just find other ways to get ahead, they know they could not make more money in any other nation on this planet,  the people of the west get screwed nationaly, the usa people get screwed internationaly (IRS)  in China its very local and only dumb people fall in the government trap.

protests is just a pasttime and rebalances how local  government functions in the future.

i like the article but nothing is going to happen here.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:20 | 3269902 westboundnup
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Simple.  The Chinese gov't bribes its citizens.  I have a friend who is a Chinese citizen and was shocked to learn that he pays virtually no tax on his income. He indicated that except for the wealthy, income taxes can be offset by credits and other means, such that the vast majorit of Chinese pay nothing. Looks like they learned the lesson of the American Revolution.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:31 | 3269931 Moe Howard
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Average hourly wage for a factory worker in China $1.38. How much could they tax?

Blood from a stone. These people have to save money for health care, old age, etc out of that.

China is not cradle to grave socialism. Just a gangster government.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:16 | 3270003 Pure Evil
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And with the coronation of Obama back in January, it looks as if the same gangster government pattern has been established in the US.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:24 | 3270295 fockewulf190
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One big difference; the Chinese civilian population have next to no guns (Mao made sure of that), but the US civilian population have over 300 million.                                               

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:44 | 3270112 westboundnup
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Think of the rising middle class in Hong Kong, Shanghai, etc.  They are the element which the gov't has to placate.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:19 | 3270459 meizu
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A bus ticket in china cost 17 cents, in canada cost 3 dollars.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:53 | 3270348 de3de8
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Just like the U.S. is breibing theirs.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:27 | 3269915 CPL
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Actually there has been for the past three years.  Last year alone there have been just under 1.5 million killed from forced police action.  In a country with 1.4 billion 1.5 million is nothing.  

 

It's a month to replace the bodies by proxy of population growth.  If you want to read about police actions in China you read an Indian news paper, the Communist fish wraps out of Mumbai keep track of it.  The US news would never publish the news or the numbers, nor would any western world paper (mainly because they aren't journalists, anymore than a ad billboard reports the 'news').  The fact Foxxcon riots were covered was merely a distraction piece to lightly discuss shitty working conditions...and it's one of the 'good' places to work...

 

To admit that the population size of seattle was killed by direct intervention would cause a much larger more organised better armed Chinese uprising.  Which is coming btw, PRC sock puppets have nearly guarenteed their extinction by their bungling. 

 

Scale, location and language keep that gate firmly shut, until the 50 or so rebel groups operating in China figure out how to get their shit together which looks like it'll be soon with Pakistani gun makers exporting east over the last year or so.  Someone's getting ready for something.  News sources are too disconnected right now to get a clear picture.

 

Something however is going to happen soon.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3269958 max2205
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Just wait until they run out of pork 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:13 | 3269999 CPL
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No shortage of long pork, I'm under the suspicion that things are not what they seem in China and what is being shipped isn't as advertised.

Ask yourselves a question.

How can pork maintain it's current price range and quality for six years and yet medium ground beef increases on a wholesale level and is being mixed with horse/goat meat to keep costs rising to only 500%.

You find a similar meat.  

The closest meat to pork is people, otherwise known as long pork.  Notice in the super market the cuts of pork available.  They are tiny in comparison to a fully grown sow.  Chops like that come from a much smaller animal and in pig husbandry you don't sell a small pig until it's bred a couple of times first unless you are plannign on maintaining a herd size.  Combine that with exponential rising costs of feed over six years.  And all the meat packing plants shuttering their doors due to credit difficulties.

Well, it's not rocket science at that point where to obtain pork like meat that would pass inspection as a pack of bacon, pork loin or chops.  

Any case, it's a theory.  One that I'm actioning by avoiding any and all store bought meat.  Craigslist I'm guessing in the US and the UK have farmers that sell livestock quarters.  I dare anyone to find a small pork chop being sold unless picking a young sow for slaughter.  Otherwise, look at what's on sale and question why.  I suppose I should go out of my way sometime and collect a random sampling for testing.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:12 | 3270069 granolageek
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CPL,

You know china, I know pig raising.

A brood sow will have 14 piglets/year. On average that will be 7 boys and 7 girls.

If you are trying to build up your herd you have 6 boars to sell. If you have a clue, you will sell them at 200-250 lbs, which does produce the cut size in the stores. That's the point where weight gain/amount of feed goes way down. Also the point where you start making sausage out of cuts that get tough with age.

At an exponential increase of 700% per year (hey, all you hyperinflationists!) It doesn't take long to max out your herd. Then you have 14 per sow, all sold at supermarket size. (For every one kept for breeding, a big pig "retires" to sausage.)

Anyway, the size argument is bogus.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:29 | 3270198 CPL
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Have you seen the size of the chops in store lately?  And the loins themselves?  The super market shrink ray effects package size.  I understand a pound is still a pound though.

Seriously, if you are heading out today, go look at the size of what's in a meat cooler in the pork section.  I like my pulled pork BBQ and ribs, something is off with it versus what I buy from a local pig farmer (meat is usually better picked and tastes better, price is about the same as the store but it stores a bit longer in a deep freezer).  The meat cuts are smaller, more compact, tougher.  Maybe it's storage, freezer burn...just something off with it.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:38 | 3270213 kaiserhoff
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One of the great things about hogs is that they will eat almost anything: acorns, grubs, gleaned grain, long pig;)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:13 | 3273494 StandardDeviant
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Have you been watching "Snatch"?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:24 | 3270090 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Authoritarian gov'ts collapse quickly. Look at dissolution of tthe Soviet Union. The west knew of problems about 6 weeks before they called it quits. This will also be with China. One day the commies will state there are problems and a few weeks later the commies are gone.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:42 | 3270108 Pseudo Anonym
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dna testing will clash with your

Any case, it's a theory.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:09 | 3270268 cynicalskeptic
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Soylent Green - coming soon to a market near you... (far more appealing if in a natural form - can charge more too).   Been wondering the same for a while.  Chinese don't waste anything - what happens to the rest of the prisoners killed for their organs?  And yes. people do taste very much like pork (so said Japanese hold outs after WWII who resorted to cannibalism).   Woiuldn't put anything past people who'll mix in melamine (plastic) with feed to make it look likt the protein content is higher (so what if that wipes out the kidneys of anything that consumes it).

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 07:20 | 3271208 strangewalk
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I lived in China for 7 years. The Chinese masses have lost the ability to form opinions or beliefs because they've been told what to think for so long. The indoctrination begins early, it's intense and culturally reinforced; 1.5 billion robots. Social workers who orient new immigrants in the West say that mainland Chinese exhibit similar traits to religious cult members who've undergone extreme brainwashing. The Chinese worship 3 things, money, their own history/culture, and the emperor (represented today by the CCP). Adding to this, modern Chinese men have been feminized, they're like sheep and the only army they could defeat would be one made up of gentle Tibetan monks or Uyghur lettuce farmers. There's been too much made of China, there's really not that much there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkGH0_DRBRE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDHow0_rXfY   

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:35 | 3270483 WmMcK
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That's what my Rabbi said ...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:46 | 3269967 kaiserhoff
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Good points CPL.  Works in reverse as well.  If you want to see the real slime in India, read the China press.  Those nations hate each other.  You might think they would have more pressing concerns.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:57 | 3269986 CPL
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How to find and read news is just as important as having someone recording the story.  India and China are always in a position to beggar thy neighbour as they have been measuring their national borders for three thousand years, at least.

If you want to read US news, the real US news, you read a Jamacian newspaper.  The Kingston Gleaner isn't bad, it has real reporters working for it and they have a lot of concerns that directly effect the island as a result of US policies.

If the US sneezes Canada catches a cold, in Jamacia's case it's terminal cancer with see sawing.  BTW if anyone is entertaining the idea of all inclusives in the Caribbean, random murder rates are up all over but Cuba...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:26 | 3270014 Brindle702
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atimes.com is my resource for Asian news.  Can you recommend or give a link or two to some decent Indian and/or Asian news sites in english?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:43 | 3270029 CPL
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Just use a translator and get a dictionary.  Paper bilingual dictionaries, real ones have a purpose.  Own them and use them.  The meanings of words change in bad political times.  Sometimes having the correct word helps find a piece of news that is overlooked or avoided.

The electronic translators are available from numerous online services.  Learn to use google translate to build keywords to search for news articles.  When looking for anything in any language, Private search must stay on always or the Google cookie will shape the news offered to you (yes Google knows exactly where you are at all times...mostly)

Duckduckgo cannot help you btw.  It just isn't big enough or build well enough to do the job.  

Google is the single largest search engine on the planet and has a habit of digesting anything, in any country in all languages.  The world doesn't care that you speak only English, in fact your governments count on your ignorance and mental disconnection from other people and languages.  

Most people couldn't name five of their neighbours asking them to learn how to say hello in another language is a stretch.

After a while you'll end up with search terms in other languages, then you can properly scan the news.  Not even the alphabet soup agencies have anything like it because they are too distributed and bureaucratic.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:44 | 3270115 neptunium
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CPL - Can you please provide any more info for the 1.5 million killed by police intervention - I'm well aware of the scope of western MSM outlets and some of my contacts there have reported on numerous occasions that entire villages/cities have been "disconnected" (phone/internet/roads) in order to handle unrest without any pesky coverage showing up - that said, 1.5 million waaay higher than I'd otherwise have thought possible. 

Then again, who in the west knew the true figures for the cultural revolution until it was all over. 

Any sources you could provide would be much appreciated - N

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:19 | 3270175 CPL
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Am I writing your term paper?  No.

http://translate.google.com/#en/hi/China%20police%20murder

Take that, play with the language.  Make sure you cloak yourself with proxy server that is basically anonymous.  Peru is good.  Why?  Because nobody cares about Peru.  That simple.  It's not flagged external to Peru.  Peru does however watch it's citizens online traffic.  Outside of Peru, nobody cares.  Since you are just using a proxy and researching a country elsewhere...peru is safest.

http://www.proxynova.com/proxy-server-list/country-pe/

Then turn on private browsing.  Google news.  There you go.  There are far too many articles to possibly quote on here, and there is the other fact.  

I just don't care the slightest what happens in China because as a country it's cost me too many long weekends, nights and direct costs cleaning up viruses, poorly executed amateurish hacks and questioning the stated legality of every piece of electronics equipment from there (parts piracy).  I build systems for people that have insurance, part of that insurance is based on the fact I can deliver something that won't burn down a data center because it's motherboard is made of paper.  

Want to know why North America doesn't have any innovation and stalled out engineering?  China.  Fuck China.  Let it burn when it happens.  I'll bring marshmallows.

So, point blank.  I'm not posting 2000 links in Hindi and Indosesian from over a year.  You are going to have to do a couple of things yourself here.  I am not my brother's keeper, especially not China's.  It's offered nothing but spit in the face of Engineers, Dev and Tech everywhere for 30 years.  Fuck China.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:11 | 3270272 cynicalskeptic
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Not good to roast marshmallows over THAT fire - toxic fumes, worse than the US military burn pits for waste.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 01:51 | 3271061 Buck Johnson
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And that is the truth, only a matter of time.  But not only for China, for the US also.  Eventually there will be a revolution of ideas on the inequality of wealth and services to people.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:04 | 3269880 Rubicon
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Business is not a democracy

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:09 | 3269881 Luckhasit
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"It always business, never personal"

-Nino Brown

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:26 | 3269919 CPL
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If you don't have a personal touch to delivery you don't have any business.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:01 | 3269992 willwork4food
Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:49 | 3270034 salvadordaly
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Damn you!!!!! Allright I'm back to the comments after 1 1/2 hours. It's bookmaked, I don't know why but it is. Now I know why I bookmarked it, cause I'm going back now, later hedgies, and curse you willwork4food!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:10 | 3269887 JawsMusic
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China has a thriving economy that makes enough hard currency to feed its people.

Egypt not so much. I saw Egypt and continuing problems there as a reflection of the fact that egypt can't really generatre enough food either locally or by generating foriegn trade to to trade for food.

If you can't grow enough and have noting to sell your people stave.... hungry people are not stable...

China does not have that problem... yet...

 

 

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3269912 Moe Howard
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I was in Egypt back in the early 1980's. USA wheat made into flat bread in government bakeries and distributed cheap everywhere.

Seemed to me that is what kept the rebellion at bay.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3269948 Icantstopthinki...
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And it crushes the local farmers of wheat.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:16 | 3270280 cynicalskeptic
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Keep them fed and employed - even if what they're eating is crap and they're employed building empty cities.......   

The historical path would see China at war - likely with Russia - soon;  lots of fighting age men (and not enough women), a growing country short on energy and raw materials adjacent to a huge empty remnant of Empire (Siberia) full of raw materials, empty land and water....   but China seems to be buying friends and influence - and raw materials and energy and farmland.  Maybe the PLA is too busy running all its busionesses to go to war.   Could be a new paradigm,  The US goes broke fighting wars trying to secure energy and rtaw materials while China simply buys thoise things using all the $$$ they got making crap for the US.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:18 | 3269892 Desert Irish
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I recall there was great expectations of a Chinese Spring during Europe's Spring in 1989 - Tiananmen Square proved the old adage - might is right. As Moa said "revolution comes from the barrel of a gun" why would that be any different today? Too many powerful interests determined to keep the quid pro and the peasants in their place. This has been going on for 5,000 years now.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:15 | 3269893 Downtoolong
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However, because of the decentralized nature of the Chinese state, these battles have been ones won and lost by claimants contesting local officials rather than challenging the regime itself.

So there's your answer. Just add an "s" to make it plural, i.e., Chinese Springs, like a whole box of springs.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:19 | 3269899 icanhasbailout
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There are plenty of Chinese springs but they're all defective

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:15 | 3269894 Ian56
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A better question would be :-

Why hasn't there been an American Spring to throw off the Yoke of Neocon Fascism and Plutocracy?

America is run by and for the elites to the detriment of 99.9% of the people - just like Egypt was.   

 

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3269957 toady
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Beat me to it....

Why doesn't the headline ever read 'why no US Arab spring? '

It really is the only one that matters. It's the the only one that can end the fed & the petro $.

What did the Arab spring accomplish? Old dictators replaced by chaos, soon to be replaced by new dictators. China would / will be the same.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

At least a US revolution has a small chance of taking down the banksters...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:20 | 3270084 TPTB_r_TBTF
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a fat chance of taking down the banksters.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:59 | 3270048 Missiondweller
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There was. It was called the Tea Party.

But we were successfully painted as "racists & extremists" by the media.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:18 | 3270081 granolageek
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Dude,

 

I work for a gun company. Nobody there who isn't 2nd amendment friendly.

But all the ones who think that Obama is <b>personally</b> gonna show up in a black helicopter to take their guns away belong to the tea party.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 07:01 | 3271196 StychoKiller
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Would it be less rayciss if it were a pink helicopter?

So far, the only guns the current administration have been in favor of have ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.  All you've demonstrated is your possession of faulty logic.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:19 | 3269901 LawsofPhysics
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Ask anyone who has moved their manufacturing to china, there are no sheep like chinese sheep. American sheep are not quite there... ...yet.  They do what the party tells them, period.  American sheep have been distracted and have not realized that they have one party... ...yet.  The merican sheep must be disarmed before this awaking can occur.  All by design folks.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:28 | 3269928 Unstable Condition
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Spot on, +1

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3269940 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, a good comment.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3269955 john39
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Chinese went through some pretty hard times in recent history...   Invasion, civil war, mass starvation (tens of millions dead) followed by the insanity of the cultural revolution.    lets see how Americans hold us as the overlords attempt to do the same to Americans as was done to the Chinese.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:03 | 3270051 disabledvet
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with the 90's being America's "100 flowers bloom" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign and "now America has its cultural revolution" and we are all to be Xia Fang'ed (sent to the countryside to work with peasants.) Hmmm. There is much to what you speak. Have we progressed at all since the Great Depression? Or was the entire post World War II experience "but a myth to get us back to the grinding reality"? There are no shortages of "Gangs of Five" here. We call them "garage bands" also known as "indie rockers" or "punk bands" and "rappers." My personal favorite is called "Hollywood" actually. The first "moving picture" made in the USA i believe was of a train robbery. Interesting beginning to our "Edison Pictures" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuto7qWrplc beautiful reproduction. i find the musical backdrop especially enjoyable for a "period piece." what say all of you?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 07:03 | 3271199 StychoKiller
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The first movie ever made was called "The Kiss", the first long movie might have been "The Great Train Robbery."

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:44 | 3269964 Icantstopthinki...
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The pyramid schemes: family, society, government, military, school, work have lately turned into plantation schemes.  The American dream was simply to move up the pyramid.  In the plantation there is no moving up.

I think the early peoples that constructed these pyramids in the middle east, south america and asia were trying to warn us with their pyramids, not build tombs or altars.

 

 

The world is becoming flatter.... at least in terms of it's pyramid schemes.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:21 | 3269903 Moe Howard
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The Chinese are good serfs. No need to rebel.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3269911 Stud Duck
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When the food prices rise again and jobs start declining, China will have its come to Jesus moment. Historically China has had political upheavals that appear spontaneously. There is no reason to beleive that it will not happen again.

As we watch the countries of North Africa as well as the countries of southern Europe slowly implode politically and economically, we will then pay the costly price of  the combination the intellectually lazy Keyensian and the morally corrupt Social Democracy. 

Then inevatable food shortages comming to these countries will most probably result in more killing of each other that will make Syria look like a small riot!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:12 | 3270000 Things that go bump
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In China, the 1st emperor of a new dynasty always mounts the throne with bloody hands.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:25 | 3269913 booboo
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The "Arab Spring" was just another ruse, really folks, arming muslims, providing free news coverage by the paid press, muslim brotherhood fills the vaccum. It is a MIC wet dream come true. I mean we couldn't just invade friendly Mubarak, UN hero "Q daffey" THis is long term investment money. Muslims revert to means (go goofy jihad) and bada boom bada bing add water instant "justified war". Again, why do you think they are allowing them in country like they are? jew got it!! so they can root out the "tarist" hding under your kids bed by blowing your front door off and dragging you into the streets. China? Hahaha. their wise tho this shit plus they don't have any rights to take away anyway. Remember what Imelt said, he  the admires the commie system, just mow the homes down build a factory.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:27 | 3269917 JustObserving
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Why isn't there an American Spring?

We have more than our share of  "rising inequality, injustice, and corruption” that plagued much of the Arab world.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:26 | 3269918 Ms. Erable
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Fuck China; why no American Spring?

Wait - don't answer that until I get back from maxing out my SNAP card at Walmart and catch up on viewing the most recent American Idol recordings from my DVR.

(edit: missed it by that much...)

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3269936 Moe Howard
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American Idol viewership is dropping like a rock. What does that mean?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:37 | 3269944 icanhasbailout
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It means I'm not the only one who thinks Nicky Minaj is an ugly, talentless hack.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:53 | 3269977 toady
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I never got into 'reality tv', never watched american idle, but I saw that nicki whatever and thought damn, maybe I should watch that.

That's one hot slut.

You say she's a singer?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:55 | 3269982 akak
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"American Idle"

I don't know if you wrote that on purpose or not, but it is brilliant in either case.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 07:07 | 3271201 StychoKiller
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"American Idyll" would be too cheesy!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:26 | 3270015 MedTechEntrepreneur
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There will be an American Spring. The Progressives are gut rotting everything they can. The crazed lesbian Big Sis hasnt bought 1.2 billion rounds of ammo for nothing.  All the Executive Orders for hitting the Kill Switch on the internet, suspending civil liberties etc....oh yeah...its coming.  And the Progressive Oligarchy is going down.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:32 | 3269927 Flakmeister
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The answer to the question lies in a very different direction...

Do the Chinese subsidize food for it's populace on this level?

Egypt's wheat buyer Nomani removed

"What this person does is critical to the Egyptian political stability," said Hani Sabra, an analyst at Eurasia Group, a political risk and research company, speaking from New York.

"You have tens of millions of Egyptians dependent on subsidised bread.

"The country will collapse politically if there is no access to bread."

Combine this with the fact that the oil that Egypt used to export and provided for a source of hard currency to satisfy the demans of the largest wheat importer in the world is no longer there...

You do know that Egypt ceased to be an net oil exporter in ~2010? Do you?

Bueller??

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:35 | 3269941 Moe Howard
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Good catch. Makes sense. This is in line with my observation of the bread distribution in Egypt back in the 1980's. Kept the lid on.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:07 | 3270058 disabledvet
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we became a net importer of oil in 1950. "prices only moved in one direction (higher) since." so now that we are on the cusp of becoming the world's major energy exporter prices will...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:29 | 3270097 Flakmeister
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The US will never again be a net exporter of oil....

http://www.postcarbon.org/drill-baby-drill/report

Read the full 166 page report... I did...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:43 | 3270110 Whiner
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No oil in a Muslim society equals starvation. A closed society where the Mullas and American puppets hand out goodies.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:17 | 3270282 Mad Cow
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Hey Cackmeister, what do you think will get us first, global warming or peak oil?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:30 | 3269929 Atomizer
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America wirr continue to receive foreign aid from China. If timeline of changing US curture aren’t met, we will demand full payment on all outstanding bank notes.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:30 | 3269933 partimer1
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Chinese economy has been growing rapidly in the last 30 years, and they have their own currency. If the economy is getting worse, the regime is in trouble. It's always the economy that matters the most. Democracy and politics are just bunch of BS to fool the public. The truth is always behind the scene. This is universally true.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3269937 Skip
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Because the "Arab Spring" was really the ZIONIST SPRING. Since the Zionists are on COZY terms with the ChiComs that is why there was no "Chinese Spring" Ehud Olmert's grandparents are from China. Jewish-Americans have been adopting Chinese mainland girls like crazy, especially in LA and NYC.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:36 | 3269943 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sigh...  It's always the juice fault.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:27 | 3270017 jimmytorpedo
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OJ did it!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:51 | 3270038 Mr. Hudson
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Do you have any web sites that support this claim?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:49 | 3270122 TPTB_r_TBTF
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.

To the limited degree that numbers exist, they suggest that the proportion of intermarriages of American Jews and Asian-Americans is growing. NY Times

 

Shanghai was an important safe-haven for Jewish refugees during the Holocaust, since it was one of the few places in the world where one didn't need a visa. Wikipedia

 

a study titled "In Search of the Right Spouse: Interracial Marriage among Chinese and Japanese Americans," which offered this insight:

…it appears that there is a propensity for our interviewees to meet and date Jews in college or in their professional fields and marry them. Eighteen percent of the Chinese and Japanese American women and men we interviewed were married to Jewish partners. Five described how they shared a cultural affinity with their Jewish spouses; most often they mentioned how both cultures valued strong family ties and educational achievement. Interviewees also described their Jewish spouses as having a sense of "ethnic tradition" and an immigrant legacy found lacking in non-Jewish whites they had known or dated. 

Asian-Jewish-Life

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:36 | 3269942 TrustWho
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Very interesting, China is decentralizing and America is centralizing. The central state is viewed as the protectorate for the people against the crimes of the more local state. This is pure genius as the central state can appease the muppetts while raping them at the same time. People are like herding speies and are ripe for the slaughter as they do not understand: "Power corrupts and Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely". By definition, no government institution cares about anyone, but POTUS wins the argument every time as he is fair, just and balanced for all while he tells us he has joined the wealthy 1% class and his net worth continues to grow.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3269945 World of Debt
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Skip: what a twisted, anti-Semitic, uneducated, and deluded world you ive in... so sad.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:21 | 3270007 algol_dog
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I knew there had to be a Jewish contingent involved in this. Isn't there always?

Amazing to me that the Jewish world population amounts to some 0.2%, yet they have all this amazing power and wizidary to control the rest of the worlds sheepy populous. They must be truly "Godlike".

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:57 | 3270131 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Jews are Natural Born Killers.

When asked to kill their only son, they comply!

(Genesis 22.2)

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:07 | 3270155 shovelhead
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Circumcision= Superpowers.

Ask Superman...

Little Ka-el got clipped.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:39 | 3269946 jballz
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There were 28 self immolations in Tibet last November, china implemented a domestic spying program called skynet (seriously) to try and stop them before they got the match lit. Tibet has been in Tunisia mode for decades. The difference is a state powerful enough to identify the uprisings before thy start and send thought criminals to labor camps to build our shit long before they can organize a popular revolt.

See falun gong, Dali lambaaaa etc. long history.

Also there is plenty to infer the Arab spring was covert regime change by our Langley peace corps. Mainly to lock in the north Africa oil and lock out china (Egypt not much of a producer but they had signed long term deals with china under Mubarak that included the largest refinery in the world to be constructed, giving china regional strategic points....)

People are sheep mostly everywhere, this grass roots myth is almost always just that. They are always following someone and the powers that be stay on top of that. Arabs are particularly malleable, mossadegh, the shah, the ayatollah, Mubarak, ka daffy duck, these are all assclowns by any measure. The people have low expectations over there.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:38 | 3269947 Taterboy
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Chinese springs are on sale at the auto department at Walmart!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:43 | 3269951 AssFire
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There was no China Spring because our government does not have the resources there to undermine and incite as it does in the rest of the world (except of course, Israel).

When our "fairness ideas" like government hand outs and destroying the family etc.. are put in to play it will have a disastrous effects as it has in Europe and the USSA.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:39 | 3269952 akak
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Make me laugh.

Chinese Spling not needed by good obedient peoples of glorious Chinese Communist Sharty ruling-overness, provided by whom of overabundances of roadsides to indulge ancient roadside squatting traditionals of fabled Chinese past.  Chinese shitizenism manifested in daily public roadside deblutions making for much blameplacing happiness aside from priding of work in locked FoxConn sweatshops, dog wokking adds to double lucky joy thereof, resulting forcing of stool to the posterior sends joyness of Middle Kingdom being towards heavenly realms, insanitation of lockstep citizenism squeezing all monolizings of thinking means into collectivstic condemnations of suchlike non-Chinese foreign devils via blobbing-up hypocritizenationalistic inability to self-indict sordid running-dog imperialistic invasion and annexations of neighboring nations such as Tibet moreover self-justificationizing such as "liberation" rather than genocide as is factualized.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:04 | 3270144 TPTB_r_TBTF
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spoken like a true 'chinese shitizen'.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:55 | 3270246 akak
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It's their eternal nature, don'tcha know.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:08 | 3270267 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Chinese shitizenism manifested in daily public roadside deblutions making for much blameplacing happiness aside from priding of work in locked FoxConn sweatshops, dog wokking adds to double lucky joy thereof, resulting forcing of stool to the posterior sends joyness of Middle Kingdom being towards heavenly realms, insanitation of lockstep citizenism squeezing all monolizings of thinking means into collectivstic condemnations of suchlike non-Chinese foreign devils via blobbing-up hypocritizenationalistic inability to self-indict sordid running-dog imperialistic invasion and annexations of neighboring nations such as Tibet moreover self-justificationizing such as "liberation" rather than genocide as is factualized.

Alas, alas, nothing from nothing leaves nothing alas, increased by three, speeching of that there single sentence gives wording to said a roadsides full downthere, both sides, somehow spoken thusly.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:40 | 3269953 Seize Mars
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Sorry to pooh-pooh the article, but asking "why not" isn't really the right question. In my advanced stage of skepticism and cynicism, I think that tinpot revolts happen really becaue of one thing. Food. Food prices "are" inflation. Inlfation is made - on purpose - from banks. All banks (except those in Syria, Iran and North Korea) are all in the same clearing system. Some people refer to this as "Rothschilds" banks. (BTW Iran has a peg to the USD anyways so the link is firm although slightly less direct.)

So if the Great Eye says so, Egypt has runaway inflation. It was caused. On purpose. The reason China hasn't is because the Great Eye didn't say so.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:41 | 3269956 magpie
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'Coups that fail are seldom remembered'

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:44 | 3269962 SDRII
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Entire article premised on notion that springs are always organic. There is a reason McCain said Spring is coming to Russia and China. Tibetian immolations just havent had same media impact for a variety of reasons - unlike say the Bo-UK-Haklyut -France.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:46 | 3269966 SDRII
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& China operates on a different timeline than upticks

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:14 | 3269995 magpie
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The Russians moved fast to crack down and defuse with outlets to the discontent. In the Chinese case, probably the venality of certain actors was overestimated. Moscow followed the Kiev/Tahrir "Color Revolution" script, while China was meant to get the Benghazi/Homs treatment. So not all revolutions are the same...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:48 | 3269970 Ribeye
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Earth Spring,

"boing"

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:52 | 3269975 Missiondweller
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Why? I'll tell you why.

 

The Egyptian military wasn't willing to run their own people down with tanks the way the Chinese proved so willingly to do in Tianamen Square.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 13:58 | 3269987 partimer1
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Uninformed as hell. The author is at best a salaried mouthpiece for someone, and failed to know anything about history of any country. You can ask why there is no American Spring, no European spring, etc. the injustice in this country in the last 5 years is no less to many people. China is owned by a small group of people, and America is owned by a slightly bigger group of people. You think you make any difference, think again.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:25 | 3270091 disabledvet
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basis of the article...to get you to think exactly as you have namely "why no American Spring?" but you and i must "connect the dots" to achieve that goal...and indeed "by naming dot number two" you have moved the goal post forward fine sir...and we thank you. "but now you need to be our guide as well" and surmise from the inference "from whence comes the American Spring" only "without the Chinese one." and whether or not "it was a five dollar spring that i'm being charged $350...." well, we'll leave that for another day.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:16 | 3270002 maskone909
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fuck china. when does shtf in good ol usa

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:19 | 3270005 Floodmaster
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The State is not social, but purely anti-social, it's an economic exploitation of one class by another,indistinguishable from a criminal class/mafia.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:20 | 3270006 Manipuflation
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"One shortcoming of this explanation is that the same sources of discontent and social media websites are available throughout the developing world, but successful revolutions are rare."

Bullshit.  We are taking over the InterWeb one domain name at a time.  You bankster cocksuckers really have no chance against us.  This place is ours and you can fuck right off.  Note to Banksters:  The more you do, the more we are going to do to make it hurt you. 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:27 | 3270010 e-recep
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the chinese are getting richer. why would they want to change the regime??

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:24 | 3270012 laomei
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Because generally, people in the west who read the propaganda articles about china written by hacks, they have zero clue what's actually going on in China, how China works nor why it works.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:04 | 3270053 Missiondweller
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Oh we know.

 

Because its a police state where they have no problem running you down with a tank.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:57 | 3270033 earleflorida
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the chinese are very ingenious, adaptive, and inherently resourceful. once the internet becomes ubiquitous throughout all provinces... is when the people will define their intrinsic business skills. why is this important? they will virtually cut out the middle-man bringing about a refined cost structure of true price discovery via trade from within. all the bureaucrat's need do is let commerce flow with a classical, eye-popping embossed... caveat`empto,r as the `ignoble?bottom-line curs[e]ive, defining regulatory structure framework!  in other words, use the inverse of the usssa business model! the year of the snake... this nascent zeigeist has signs of blossoming! ironically, the chinese government has made great strides in the last ~ quarter century?   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8057762.stm

Smartphones and tablets/notebooks are the future. africa has also shown financial life and semi-independence since the introduction of the internet and satellite technology, with lots, and lots of valuable spectrum.

jmo

Ps.  like it or not, the chinese are evolving more towards a true democracy, whilst the ussa is headed in the opposite direction.

excellent read to the author...

and thankyou Tyler, as always 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:11 | 3270068 maskone909
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its a curious thought; does a global system need a balance of dictatorships/deomocracys? when one falls, another pops up. is it our turn to be a slave nation to provide goods/services to the world for pennies? certainly appears to be the trend.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 14:55 | 3270042 kevinearick
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China and the US are two sides of the same coin, giving each other escape routes. How long can the US Navy keep up? Where is it at now on the margin?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:13 | 3270074 Mr. Hudson
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The Chinese people have no guns; thus, no "Chinese Spring". This makes sense. But, Americans on the otherhand, are armed to the teeth, and yet, why isn't there an "American Spring"?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:26 | 3270191 besnook
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americans are fat and stupid and so far the people who would get actively, kinetically angry are still able to eat pretty easily.

it is pretty clear, however, usa .gov doesn't seem to want to mess with millions of armed americans with a gun grab especially after the huge philisophical support dorner received for actually shooting the first line enforcers of the state as part of his grievance.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 01:53 | 3271062 Curiously_Crazy
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... and highly medicated.

It's got to be almost 1 in 5 that's on some form of either antidepressant, calmative, synthetic opiod or benzo. Not to mention fluride levels in the water or the chemicals in the food stuff.

I'm sure that's keeping a lot of the people happy sheeple (ok if not happy at least to out of it to care)

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:17 | 3270080 Cardinal Fang
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The difference between the Arab Spring and any hypothetical China Spring is the lack of preponderance of weapons and tools. In NA, there is an AK behind every grain of sand. In China, there is one Party Authorized 6 foot ladder or screwdriver per 100 square miles. Not gonna do much without 'equipment'.

I know, I know, they make a lot of shit over there, but it is a capital offense to leave the screwdriver factory with a free, unauthorized Peoples Liberation Army screwdriver.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:24 | 3270088 magpie
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The uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt may have been violent but the people weren't armed either.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 15:46 | 3270113 Flakmeister
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On a lighter note...

Dicks Wok Inn, 388 Copper Bay Rd, Sandspit, BC

Good food, ate there a few years ago...

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:26 | 3270469 WmMcK
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I'm sure it's a fine restaurant --
but what I want to know is when do the dicks wok out?

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:12 | 3270163 Edward Fiatski
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Smell the splendid flavours of Sakura in the haze of radioactive dust.

 COMING SUMMER 2013

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:38 | 3270190 Radical Marijuana
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The "Arab Spring" was covertly caused and controlled by the Western banksters. Its real purpose was to destroy those leaders and countries which might otherwise become a threat to the originally Western, and now globalized, fiat money systems.

China has already been integrated into that system, and therefore, is not any kind of radical threat to it. As China becomes the biggest country in the world, along many different dimensions, China is now surpassing the USA in creating money out of nothing!

China is more and more becoming the paradigmatic pattern for the rest of world to be forced into following. After China becomes the world's leader in making money out of nothing, it also becomes the world's leading plutocracy, where the power to make money out of nothing is the supreme form of "wealth."

Those words should be put in quotes or italicized, because AFTER "money" ceases to have any intrinsic value, but rather is created out of nothing, and can return to nothing, because fiat money is simply triumphant fraud, backed by force, THEN the meaning of words like "money" and "wealth" become inverted and perverted.

China is emerging as the new world's leader of force backed frauds. The current Chinese system is becoming the test case of the degree to which it is possible to continue to sustain that system.

A "Chinese Spring" would have to be a radical revolution, that actually went through enough social collapse and chaos to cause the downfall of the current Chinese (and related global) ruling classes ... with the possible emergence of some new ruling classes out of that civil (and global) chaos.

The PROBLEM with that pattern of human history repeating itself one more time is that everything now has been astronomically amplified in size, and therefore, a sufficiently real collapse into civil war to overthrow the current ruling classes, and thus, actually enable some new ruling classes to emerge through that process, would also be astronomically amplified in size, which practically goes beyond human comprehension, since it goes beyond anything that has previously happened in known human history.

The mass media presentation of the "Arab Spring" was a totally bullshit view of what was happening. There was NO "Arab Spring" ... there were simply some Arab countries slipping down into an even worse "Arab Winter."

There will be no genuine Chinese Spring, nor North American Spring for that matter, until we go through a "global winter" that will practically go beyond any known ice age in previous human history.

A genuine revolution must primarily be a revolution in the paradigms of militarism, where warfare is viewed as the oldest and best developed social science, which must be profoundly transformed.

A genuine "Global Spring" would be the emergence of better death control systems, negotiated by the organized crime gangs that are dominating the world.

As long as the current systems of fiat money, made out of nothing, as force backed frauds, continue, then we are still within the established political economy, which is a fascist plutocracy. China has already been integrated into that system. Islamic countries are being resistant to that process, since their basic beliefs against usury etc., are in the way of more globalized triumph of the fascist plutocracy systems.

The alleged "Arab Spring" events were merely more minor episodes in making sure that there were no Islamic countries which were coherent enough to be able to challenge the dominant system of international finance. Since China has already embraced and been more fully integrated into those systems, there are no real reasons why the global ruling classes would be interested in covertly causing or controlling any "Chinese Spring."

In North America, the destruction of individual liberties is accelerating, in order to reduce Americans to similar social status as the Chinese now endure.

What is happening, mostly subconsciously, is that the laws of nature are working through human evolution, in paradoxical ways, due to our social systems being based on triumphant dishonesty about all of that.

There is no evidence that human beings can make energy out of nothing, nor send energy to nothing. Rather, all the evidence indicates the opposite. Therefore, we are circumscribed by real limits, that we adapt to live within. However, the paradoxical ways that we have adapted to do that is through social systems of organized lies, operating organized robbery, which take the symbolic form of a fiat money, forced backed fraud.

Therefore, the global fascist plutocracy is based on controlling people through legalized lies, backed with legalized violence. The primary manifestations of those processes have been the ways that different old-fashioned systems of organized lies and robbery (such as Islam) still compete with the more modern systems, such as fascist plutocracy.

The "Arab Spring" was only another deliberately driven and managed set of deceits, which fit into the overall goal of defeating Islamic systems of organized lies, by the more dominant globalized systems of organized lies.

All of that is actually taking us deeper and deeper into the "Global Winter." Any genuine "Global Spring" must be some radically different set of organized lies, operating organized robbery, that surpasses the fascist plutocracy, as well as all of the other old-fashioned social systems, as expressed by various religions and ideologies.

A genuine "Global Spring," IF we survive through to that, will be the emergence of a new kind of ruling class, which I believe will emerge out of the transnational scientific community, that may perhaps survive through the severe social storms and chaos that will be caused by too much "success" by the current systems of organized lies, destroying themselves with their own madness, since too much "success" of that system means too much triumphant force backed frauds, which refuse to admit more truth about themselves, and therefore, can not resolve the problems caused by too much of their own "success."

The chances of any genuine "Global Spring" are the same as the survival of the human experiment of developing enough science and technology that becomes sufficiently self-reflexive to be scientific about itself. The paradoxes we now face are that events which are referred to as the "Arab Spring," etc., were simply more runaway frauds, NOT the emergence of more social truth.

The possible emergence of more social truth is sublimely paradoxical, because it would have to include revolutions in the paradigms of militarism, which faced the facts that warfare was the oldest and best developed social science, wherein success in war was based on deceits.

A genuine "Global Spring" is over the horizon of history, since we are now heading towards the deepest "Global Winter" there has ever been!

That is why there is NO "Chinese Spring" and NO "American Spring." Collectively the human species is not remotely close to becoming more scientific about itself, since it actually controls itself through the maximum possible deceits, due to the history of warfare enabling a monetary system which is force backed frauds, based on runaway fiat money, made out of nothing.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:42 | 3270219 besnook
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you are missing one key aspect of your thesis. the chinese have largely excluded the western mega banks from the main party inside china. they have been relegated to the periphery. that will not stand. that is the central catalyst for conflict.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:54 | 3270233 Radical Marijuana
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Yes! I agree with that besnook.

There is also a deep racism that persists from the history of the Western powers, that created the fiat money debt engine, along with the steam engine, etc., which were used to conquer the rest of the world, including China.

China was forced into assimilation and imitation of Western systems of physical and social technologies. The resulting new, emerging Chinese ruling classes have been forced to adopt those systems, and have become able to duplicate those even more than the original Western powers originally did. (I.e., China now makes more money out of nothing than the USA does!)

However, China is not yet given an equal seat at the global table, and is still discriminated against, by the previously established dominant world powers, which were primarily Anglo-American (Zionist).

Somewhat similar things could also be said about Russia too. Therefore, those are real reasons why we are more likely headed into some horrible Global Winter, rather than some better Global Spring.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 16:38 | 3270214 besnook
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the article is correct on the mechanics but the bigger reason is also in the 1989 uprising. chinese are chinese first. china is as diparate as the old usa was when one would find, sometimes, stark differences in custom and language just crossing state lines or even intrastate but they are all chinese first. listening to chinese banter on the internet and it is clear they smell the fresh air on the mountaintop of the world. they will not let local disagreements get in the way of their ascent to the peak to plant their flag. ironically, giving all the china doomsayers, the only thing about the central leadership that might upset the whole of the people is if the grand poobas back down in any way from what the chinese now think is rightfully theirs. the chinese people will be willing to sacrifice and suffer if they see the value which the central .gov will easily define as uber nationalism to defeat the west(usa).

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 17:06 | 3270264 Radical Marijuana
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Indeed, besnook, I agree with the view that power lends scope to previously existing depravity. I find that every group that ever gains more power then tends to abuse it.

I undertand that the Chinese are about 90% from the general ethnic group called the "Han." That is different than North America, where there is, or soon will be, no more single dominant ethnic group, but rather a plethora of varoius different minorities.

All of this is wildly out of control, and, as always, I would add the extremely important emergence of an industrial ecology, which may surpass the human ecology, since computer/machine entities have the potential to become more than human beings currently are.

How any of these astronomically amplified potentials play through is WILDLY UNPREDICTABLE!!!

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:12 | 3270454 MeBizarro
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Han Chinese are the Chinese first.  That's the key.  The other ethncities even if they speak a Chinese dialect are mainly tolerated.  Those in the Wester provineces who are Muslim and don't speak Mandarin are subhuman just as they have been regarded by the Han Chinese dynasties for over a millenium.  Foreigners are foreigners. 

Difference between China and the US is that the Chinese leaders are still genuinely nationalistic in their outlook and actions, have long-term memories (including grudges and willingness to plan/act), and have always been willing to literally build on top of the bones of some of their people if necessary.  

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 18:15 | 3270376 lovemesomeZH
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Because CIA can't penetrate the commie heart.

 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 18:53 | 3270423 W74
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Oddly the Chinese are allowing a revival of Buddhism because it knows citizens are losing faith in communism.  The reason it's odd is because it's an ancient import from India and any and all religions must be suppressed anywhere the communist belief system (indeed it is a living belief system based on hope and change and false notions of prosperity by stealing from anyone who has more than you) but they also know it's either going to be a soft landing or a hard one and the government in the Northern Capital would rather adapt than have adaptation forced upon it.

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:28 | 3270474 MeBizarro
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There hasn't been a 'Chinese Spring' simply put because the average Chinese citizen has seen a profound improvement in their lives within even 2 generations.  My wife's friend is a great example.  Here father grew up starving, he has feet issues to this day due to the lack of proper shoes, and largely survived during the Cultural Revolution because his family was incredibly resouceful including illegally trading for all kinds of good including pigs with nearby mountain villagers for locally-grown produce they hid. 

He worked incredibly hard to pour all of his resources into his 3 children's education.  His daugther (wife's friend) did very well on her exam scores, was at the top of her class in industrial design engineering (close equivalent to mechanical engineering), and just finished her PhD at an American university on thermflow dynamics in closed systems.  Didn't pursue an academic tenure track though & instead took a high end with a US nuclear power plant whose staff is overwhelmingly white and nearing retirement.  Even after having her first kid, she is still on track to run her dept in another 2 years.  His other 2 children have done incredibly well for themselves with one in Beijing and another in Australia.

So basically within 2 generations you have gone from a large number of people in China who were fortunate enough to eek out a substitence living during the Cultural Revolution to children who score enough on university exam scores to have a profoundly better level on par with upper middle class folks or better in the Western world.  That kind of profound success can't be underestimated.  Now in order to get there the Chinese had had to sacrifice a hell of a lot and are going to have a lot of issues because of the huge amount of change & turbulence.  

The other issue is that life in rural parts China still pretty much sucks and in some ways is even worse than it was for substience farmers.  Rural Chinese folks aren't serfs but they aren't much better off either because there is a huge 2-class system in China and even the university exam system which is the only way out (besides the military) is rigged and almost impossible for someone without the educational means to do well & escape.  The other issue is that the Chinese are disaterously copying the Western-style of urban development that is based around the personal car.  You think they would have learned from the issues the US has today due to its dependence on the car.  At least the Chinese though have had the common sense to build a world class rail network.  Light years better than anything in the US and on par with anything i have been on in France and Japan. 

Sat, 02/23/2013 - 19:41 | 3270493 MeBizarro
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It always amusing to read on here the dopes you think the 2nd amendment is what 'preserves freedom.'  Couldn't be more wrong and every modern domestic surveillance intelligence agency has understood is that information is power (assuming everyone is feed because a lack of food/starvation has always been the classical reason for rebellion or revolution).   The only difference is that in the past it required massive efforts by large-numbers of human agents to begin to gather this kind of intelligence and even in communist regimes it was sometimes difficult to gather.    If they know where you go, who you associate with, what you read, and generally what you think, they know you and know if you present a real threat or not.  

Western intelligence agents were shocked when they went through various archives in the Eastern Bloc in the 1990s & just how widespread these efforts were & how many people were invovled in spying on one another.  The best example was in East Germany where the statistical odds were that one of your closest friends/family members was reporting to the Stasi or one of of the local police paramilitary units information about you of some sort.  What these intelligence agencies didn't have was Western technology but they made up for it in spades with good old-fashioned human surveillance on a scale that was severely understimated by the West. 

All intelligence agencies took these lessons to heart and in the US we have built a Frankenstein-like monster with droves of personal information that is consulated (and often supplied by the person themselves) that would make their Stasi counterparts jealous with envy in comparison. 

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