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Iran Says It Has Brought Down Another Foreign Spy Drone

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Back in December 2011, a US RQ-170 Sentinel drone was either brought down or crash landed smack in the middle of Iran, allowing the local military and scientists to reverse engineer it furthering their own understanding of possible countermeasures, as well as selling the underlying technology to China and other countries eager to peek inside America's remote-controlled "oppression liberators." All this happened because someone during the drone design phase forgot to add a self-destruct option. Now, over a year later, we will see if someone finally thought of adding this simple feature following news that Iran has just brought down another (just modestly antagonizing) foreign spy drone over its territory.

From Reuters:

Iran's Revolutionary Guards have brought down a foreign surveillance drone during a military exercise, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said on Saturday.


"We have managed to bring down a drone of the enemy. This has happened before in our country," the agency quoted war games spokesman General Hamid Sarkheli as saying in Kerman, southeast Iran, where the military exercise is taking place.


The agency gave no details on who the drone belonged to.


In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman said he had seen the reports. He noted that the Iranians did not specifically claim that the drone was American.


In the past, there have been incidents of Iran claiming to have seized U.S. drones.


In early January Iranian media said Iran had captured two miniature U.S.-made surveillance drones over the past 17 months.


Several drone incidents over the past year or so have highlighted tension in the Gulf as Iran and the United States flex their military capabilities in a standoff over Iran's disputed nuclear program.

In other disturbing drone-related news, Michael Krieger reports that when it comes to targeted killings...

It's OK if Obama does it"


In a YouGov poll of 1,000 voters last August, Tesler found significantly more support for targeted killing of suspected terrorists among white “racial liberals” (i.e., those liberal on issues of race) and African-Americans when they were told that Obama supported such a policy than when they were not told it was the president’s policy. Only 27 percent of white racial liberals in a control group supported the targeted killing policy, but that jumped to 48 percent among such voters who were told Obama had conducted such targeted killings.

- Joan Walsh’s recent article at Salon:  Targeted killings: OK if Obama does it?


Think about how troubling the above passage is.  Basically, a reasonably large percentage of the population of America will simply allow Barrack Obama to do whatever he wants because he is black and a member of their “Democrat” football team.  The irony is incredible, but believe me this fact is not lost upon the elites that want to perpetuate the warfare state indefinitely. They fully understand that Obama essentially neutralizes a large part of the “liberal” resistance simply because he is black and ostensibly “liberal.”


I came across the above information while reading Glenn Greenwald’s article about how MSNBC has finally make the total transformation into official government propaganda arm by hiring Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod.  His article is a scathing must-read.  Here are my favorite excerpts:


Last month, MSNBC’s Al Sharpton conducted a spirited debate about whether Obama belongs on Mount Rushmore or instead deserves a separate monument to his greatness (just weeks before replacing frequent Obama critic Cenk Uygur as MSNBC host, Sharpton publicly vowed never to criticize Barack Obama under any circumstances: a vow he has faithfully maintained). 


A Pew poll found that in the week leading up to the 2012 election, MSNBC did not air a single story critical of the President or a single positive story about Romney – not a single one – even as Fox aired a few negative ones about Romney and a few positive ones about Obama.


“Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has become a contributor for MSNBC. Rachel Maddow introduced Gibbs as a new member of her network’s stable in the final minutes before President Obama’s State of the Union address on Tuesday night. . . . Gibbs was White House press secretary from 2009 to early 2011, when he left to become a senior campaign adviser for Obama’s re-election.”“David Axelrod, the former White House senior advisor and senior strategist for President Obama’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns, has joined NBC News and MSNBC as a senior political analyst, the networks announced today. . . . Like Gibbs, Axelrod will appear across the networks’ programming.”Finally, American citizens will now be able to hear what journalism has for too long so vindictively denied them: a vibrant debate between Gibbs and Axelrod on how great Obama really is.


That you can cover what political officials do more effectively when you act adversarially and without their “cooperation” doesn’t seem to occur to them. Moreover, getting to sit for personal interviews with the president usually produces anything but adversarial questioning. As even Politico admits: “some reporters inevitably worry access or the chance of a presidential interview will decrease if they get in the face of this White House.”


Well looking at the bright side, the more the mainstream media continues to screw up, the greater the opportunity they are creating for people like me.


Full article here.


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Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:44 | 3271571 GMadScientist
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One many hundred still in the air?

(guess we're gonna need something stronger than WPA2 on these

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:52 | 3271595 smlbizman
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yeah beer...yeah iran....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:16 | 3271626 kaiserhoff
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This seems like a fun new sport.

Bet those suckers would fetch a pretty price on Ebay.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:22 | 3271668 mudpuppet
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that would be funny


Im relisting this drone because the last ebay buyer never payed.  If you have zero stars please contact me before bidding

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:36 | 3271722 BKbroiler
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they'll never get it in the air.  They'll just let khomeni drive it around town with the top down, blastin.  check out my new ride, amah-dino.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:02 | 3271787 francis_sawyer
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They must have been reading the "22 ways" thread on ZH yesterday...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:29 | 3271959 Zer0head
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Never underestimate the CIA.  What better way to intoduce Stux II than with a drone named honeypot. As the Iranians plug their shit into the thing to try and decode it,  Stux II will be running amok in their 'closed' networks.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:34 | 3271968 Xibalba
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The CIA isn't that smart.  But perhaps when Iran returns it.....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:06 | 3272563 flapdoodle
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It would be naive to believe that the Iranians aren't getting a bit of cyberhelp from their neighbors to the north and their other neighbors a ways east...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:25 | 3272966 DaveyJones
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I vote for this theory. Lots of folks have stakes in that place

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:10 | 3273276 TruthInSunshine
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Iran is reportedly about to release incontrovertible proof that this was indeed a U.S. military drone as they've discovered it was completely engineered & constructed in China.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:40 | 3272625 thisandthat
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I bet they're pretty much aware of that danger, now - doubt you could pull that one again. Also there's that thing called offline computers - you don't need them all on a closed network any more than in an open one.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:01 | 3271784 indygo55
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China pays WAY more, and GOLD yoo.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:22 | 3272095 CH1
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All the polling numbers prove one thing: Politics is brain poison.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:56 | 3273026 prains
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fuck me me a tool

fuck me me a mule

fuck me three me 




Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:33 | 3271715 Cortez the Killer
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Who says its their territory?

ownership is transitory

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:33 | 3271847 Jack Burton
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Ideed! Iranians have no ownership of the territories of Iran, they are simply a caretaker government until Israel and the USA take possession of their legititamate rights to ownership of Iran and the underlying oil. In a globalized world, the US and Israel have every right to any property they can obtain ownership of, the people may be allowed to stay on as workers and paid security forces to protect the US and Israel's property rights. This system of free markets worked well with America's Indian populations who ceeded their land rights to a new and more legitimate ownership. The same system worked in Palestine when European jews arrived to take over their rights to the lands. There is every reason to believe that Iranian lands can be obtained by Israel and the USA in a free and fair manner. Nobody should assume that nations and their populations hold any rights to land that can not be negated by the US and Israel using their devine rights.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:57 | 3271895 BooMushroom
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Interestingly, Mexico is working on taking ownership of parts of the USA in the same, non-military way.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:25 | 3271952 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, Iran has a catastrophically bad birth rate, but they don't have an immigration problem, say, of Americans and Israelis moving there, importing their family members and outbreeding them.   Because of the tyranny and poverty and buzz-kill harshing-my-mellow islamic fundamentalism stuff.     Other than that you are exactly right.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:26 | 3272969 DaveyJones
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...and they're more effective

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:49 | 3271987 Kirk2NCC1701
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The armed colonizing of attractive real estate by 'civilized' people will continue until the 'savages' stop attacking.  Even if it is a counter-attack.  Notice throughout history how it is ALWAYS the 'civilized' societies doing the colonizing, all the while blaming the 'savages' for their attacks on colonial settlers and settlements?

/ "Their nerve... to defend themselves against our more 'enlightened' modes of living!" /sarc

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:29 | 3272971 DaveyJones
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it's almost as if ... they have an agenda 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:22 | 3272335 JR
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Your article deals with two primary points: Number one, the aggressiveness of the U.S./Israel cabal in the world, and, two, the relationship between the Indians and the white settlers of America.

One wonders, do you bring up the Israeli question to hammer again the age-old subject that the American continent belonged to the Indians when the truth is they clearly were in constant warfare with each other and were not even the first occupants of America.

Ironically, the question of land rights for the Indians that keeps coming up is promoted by the very people that you describe, tongue-in-cheek, as having a right to all of the world’s property –namely the Jews. But in reality, they make no apologies that their transcient culture benefits from open borders, mixed cultures (except for the Jews themselves) and revisionist history of the culture that America’s Founders used in writing the Constitution and its early laws.

“The Indians that the white man met were no more the original inhabitants of the country than were the Normans and Saxons the original inhabitants of England. Other peoples had come and gone before, leaving only their shadows upon the land…” –Louis L’Amour, Haunted Mesa

And there were rumors among the Indians of a dark-skinned people who lived  before them in secluded valleys in North America who were neither Indian nor African... "Even the Utes on the western slopes of the Rockies never saw North America until about the year 1000, when they came down from the north. They came, they conquered whoever was here, and they settled down.”

And the Utes talked of ghost houses along the sides of the mesas (we know it as Mesa Verde National Park) who preceded them.

L’Amour was an accurate chronicler of the American frontier, using extensive research and thousands of original papers by authenticated sources for his more than 200 books of mainly western fiction.

 And it must be remembered that the Indian, free-roving as he was, could not compete with the farmer in his hunting and food-gathering existence, “for the Indians needed thousands of acres for even a small group to exist (North to the Rails).” And much of the land the settlers acquired was bought legally from the Indians.

America’s history is not as depicted in modern-age, revised, politically-correct textbooks. Rather it is L’Amour’s story of the victory of expanding civilization over the wilderness, conquering the untamed Wild West.

And just as the Indians were forerunners to the Spaniards, the latter also feared the Indians such as the Komantsi, those fierce men who loved to fight and took no prisoners, except women, and wanted none. They wanted the Spaniards’ horses but they attacked all they saw, while seeking horses and stealing women

To read L’Amour is to know that the West’s history has been revised to misrepresent the white culture, that it is not a one-sided venture as depicted by the revisionists. His stories portray the numerous Indian tribal nations that dwelt on the continent, how they fought and, yes, how they annihilated other Indian tribes. For war for many Indians was their way of life. In short, the American Indians did not live as one peaceful tribe in harmony with each other and Mother Earth.

 “Often the migrating tribes remained for many years in one general area, and then, pushed out by others or because of a drought or the scarcity of wildlife, they moved on. Their warriors went on raids or were raided.

“And the Indians who lived near the white men came to desire the white man’s things and sometimes did not wish to live in the old way. Many of the tribes acquired guns…”

And it should be recorded that “the regulations laid down by the Spanish king forbade enslavement of the Indians,” although to some extent it was done, and vice versa.

So when you think of the “Indians” think of the Natchee, the Conjeros, the Pawnees, the Kiowas – the most feared of all the tribes of the southern plains - and the other hundreds of tribes—all with varying traditions and mores. And remember that “what happened here has happened in every land on earth. Men, animals and plants tend to seek out a place where they can develop. Before the coming of the white man, who is the last of the invaders up to now, there were invading Indians from the North or South, attacking the settlements of those before them.” And before them there was Kennewick man – a white man.

And remember that “in almost every war the white man fought against Indians, he was aided by other Indians who joined to fight against traditional enemies.”

That though the Natchee in general avoided wars and fighting, “their young men were eager for war…to take scalps, to count coup, to win honors.” That the Conjeros, a branch of a fierce people called Apache with their camps of squalor, had a bloody reputation for fighting other Indian tribes and destroying any other Indians they came upon, and were always on the war path, as were the Seneca of the Iroquois League, a league of several tribes that came together to fight as one north beyond the Hudson river, destroying the tribes that lived near them. That the Seneca were enemies of the settlers because the settlers were friends of the Catawba who were their enemies… And so on...

It is time to stop repeating nonsense about the Indians.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:30 | 3272972 Almost Solvent
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Exactly. And some of the highest rate of alcohol/drug abuse among those who reside on a reservation.


Now they can't open enough casinos or provide 5k% interest loans without trippin over each other.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:23 | 3272098 kaiserhoff
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They didn't build that...,

and you belong to the gubbermint.

                         Rufus, the First (gay president)

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:42 | 3272244 Bandit und Buster
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Like Palestine, eh?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:23 | 3272336 Cortez the Killer
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You dont own anything unless you can stand over it with a rifle and defend it.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:40 | 3272626 Things that go bump
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So, back to the days when you could only own what you could defend with your own strong arms? That is a big leap backward in civilization.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:54 | 3272642 Overfed
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It has never changed. The only difference is that many prefer to pay someone else to hold the rifle for them.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:54 | 3272029 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Where's Gary Powers when they need him?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:44 | 3271576 AssFire
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I hope we fail.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3271678 akak
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Got a mouse in your pocket?

Who's this "we" of which you speak?

It's they.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:49 | 3271876 A Nanny Moose
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Who is "they" other than we? We allow this horseshit to continue.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:21 | 3272094 knukles
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We's on first....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:29 | 3271702 Ima anal sphincter
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+1000, four little words that mean so much.

It really does suck to have to cheer against your government. Oh....excuse me. It's not "our" government. It's the Rothschild's.

I hope "all" those drone things crash or better yet, find the "proper" target.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:57 | 3271774 McMolotov
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People love to say that if you don't vote, you have no right to complain. I point out that if you don't vote, it means you haven't given your tacit approval to everything a corrupt government does. As such, it's no longer my government at all because I choose not to legitimize it with a vote.

A government belongs solely to the people whose continued support allows it to wield authority. That includes the people who hide in the shadows, but it more importantly includes the vast swathes of voters who are under-informed, misinformed, or corrupt themselves. They're the biggest obstacle to overturning the system, which makes them the system's greatest asset.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:03 | 3271789 francis_sawyer
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 "Their" government has yellow fringes around the flag... Mine doesn't...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 21:09 | 3272677 JuliaS
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Absolutely right! Democracy implies compliance with the will of the majority, regardless of idiotic it might be. That's why I'm a constitutional republican. I belive that rights should not be voted on and cannot be voted away. I belive in "live and let live" prinicple.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:45 | 3271579 LeisureSmith
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Ha Haw!

Nelson Muntz

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:17 | 3271816 NuckingFuts
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Worst. drone. ever.

-Comicbook Guy

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:54 | 3271582 hedgeless_horseman
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The United States of America, defender of freedom, liberty, and private property...but only for us and not for them.

Watch this important lecture to gain some empathy for the brown people with the oil...your soul may depend on it.

Oceania has always been at war with pretty much everyone else.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:34 | 3271720 Cortez the Killer
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let the "brown people" make their own fucking drones.

oh yeah, I forgot, they cant

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:01 | 3271905 BooMushroom
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Maybe not, but I hear they do pretty well with submarines:,29307,2061931_2260135,00.html

I suspect with enough drug-war-enabled profits, drones will be forthcoming.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 21:12 | 3272682 thisandthat
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Basically they are doing what many governments wished they could, but were never capable of doing. Private iniciative, bitchez!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:49 | 3272264 Bandit und Buster
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let the "brown people" make their own fucking drones.

oh yeah, I forgot, they cant"...

AND Let the jews fight their own wars and pay their own way!

Oh yeah, I forgot, they can't

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:37 | 3271858 TBT or not TBT
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Iran is a brutal tyranny, as experienced by most iranians, within their own country.    

Also, persians are kinda...white, and not far off, genetically, to bad white people, of which one would have to guess hedgeless_horseman counts himself as one, the good kind of white person presumably.     Persians are not to be confused with arabs, for whom islam is a native ideology entirely in tune and intertwined with their tyrannical backward culture.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:00 | 3271899 smlbizman
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i down voted you for this reason.....when i finally saw video of iraq, they had beautiful palm tree lined strrets...buildings and such. so they had a modern society , which would take plumbers, electrcians and you get my point.....then i saw the same kind of appearence in iran, people bustling in a modern looking city dressed like casual fridays...another modern they should be considered exactly like us. which is to say, when their people have had enough than they will do something to change it....this countries hands (ussa) are so filthy fucking dirty, none of us has a right to critize any other govt until we get the balls and show the rest of the world how its seems like everything has a reset button on it these days.....and i could be drunk or wrong ...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:34 | 3271967 TBT or not TBT
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Iranians wait in lines to buy milk and bread.    The women MUST cover their hair in public or else be arrested.   There is no recourse for what the police do to arrested people, including fairly frequently just killing them.    Sure, there are smart people in Iran, ambitious people, skilled people, but they are controlled by a brutal dictatorship that is very effective, very pervasive.     Same thing existed in Iraq, with a brutal minority controlling all others, including the main ethnic/religious majority there.    These tyrannies will not reverse themselves.    We should kill their leaders and vaporize their republican guards, police of the police, and so on, all in one coordinated strike, blowing them up all at once.    No occupation needed as Iran is quite capable culturally of establishing a respresentative republic once the regime's repressive tools are elliminated.    Until then, no.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:39 | 3271979 McMolotov
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"These tyrannies will not reverse themselves."

I call bullshit. This country was founded by getting rid of tyranny, and while we may have had a bit of outside help from (of all places) France, we did it primarily on our own. To believe other countries are incapable of doing the same is arrogant as hell. When they want change, it will happen.

Moreover, we're broke and it's none of our damned business. Does this fact really need to be pounded into someone's head here on ZH?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:18 | 3272088 TBT or not TBT
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Count me as being "arrogant as hell" then.     The governments of Iran and Saddam's former regime control the oil revenues, and every business worht controlling in those countries, which they use to pay their layers of minions to brutally control everyone else, with lots of guns and brutality and pervasive totalitarian control.     This ain't 18th century New England.    It's a lot more orwellian than that.

As to what is "our business" let me remind you that you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.    Weakness is a provocation.    Appeasement is an invitation to worse aggression later.   And so on.   Sorry to be a bubble burster, but reality always comes rushing back in.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:55 | 3272152 francis_sawyer
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There is an extraordinary representation of jews in Iran who don't seem to mind the living conditions... I take it that 'Netanyahu' will consider that when he sends in the airstrikes... Or is it all just a BULLSHIT propaganda job... I forget...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:27 | 3272599 TBT or not TBT
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Numbers on that?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:36 | 3272367 Bandit und Buster
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If anything the Iranians are appeasing the US.  We have already declared war on them in more ways than one. THEY are not the threat! Israel is the threat to peace in case you missed that somehow. 

WWII was for the communist make Europe safe for communism!

Now the jews want wwIII!  and they want the US to fight it for them and shed OUR blood! again! Your appeasment argument is HOLLOW!  WARS ARE FOR BANKSTERS WHO ARE MOSTLY ZIONIST JEWS!

"‘We’ve been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not.  I’m sure,’ Ra’anan Gissin, a senior adviser to [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon, said n an interview Friday." Stephanie Innes, Arizona Daily Star, March 18, 2003. 


"What is the basis of Judaism? A practical passion and greed for profit. To what can we reduce his (the Jew's) religious worship? To extortion. What is his real God? Cash!" - Karl Marx, founder of Communism, quoted in the British Guardian, July-August, 1924.

"The Jew is an inborn Communist." - Otto Weininger, Sex and Character, page 311.

"We Jews are going to bring war on Germany." –

David Brown, President of American Hebrew, in 1934, quoted in Edmonson's I Testify, page 188.

"The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism." - The Chicago Jewish Sentinel, October 8, 1942.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:39 | 3272984 DaveyJones
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good point. The USA does nothing to control oil does it? In its country or any other

What's more tyrannical, admitting you're doing it or killing your own and others then telling anything but the truth for the same reason?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:46 | 3272138 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I call bullshit:


Despite all that has been written about the American Revolution, it seems that very little of what actually happened, or even the correct order that events occurred is known today by the vast majority of Americans.

From birth they are taught the war was the utmost expression of liberty and nobility, a notion so sacrosanct that no one seems to question it.


The proclamation act of 1763, ...
angered those colonists ... who wanted to claim more and more Indian land, so they started to organize for war by drilling their own militias.


So by the time Britain attempted to enforce an anti-smuggling policy, the practice had become perversely 'time honoured' and by interfering in such a way, it was portrayed by protagonists (smugglers) as violating the 'rights' of colonists and started the talk of the King as a Tyrant.


the colonial protagonists reacted to this with even more vehemence and set up secret insurgent groups employing thugs, best described as drunken, canting, cruel hypocritical lairs without order or cleanliness (e.g. the Sons of Liberty) who subjected anyone who sold these stamps to physical violence and the burning down of their houses.


All of this unrest was still only from a small minority of colonists, but by allowing smuggling to go on for so long, this minority had become powerful, influential and resourceful, getting their way by carrying out acts of aggression.


Congress appointed George Washington as commander in chief of the Continental Army who quickly turned his attention to Canada, first inviting them to join the rebellion, but when rebuffed he planned a two pronged invasion,


when the rebels fled, they set fire to as many of the buildings in Manhattan as they could,


Washington wanted the time to make an example of loyalist 'Tory' homesteaders in the area and had his men raid their farms and houses, killing, raping, pillaging as many as he could,


France agreed and entered the war on the rebel side, but failed to mention they were going to prolong the war in order to weaken both the British and the Americans,


Another Perspective on 'Americanism'

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:53 | 3272641 Things that go bump
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Well, this country may have been founded in that fashion, but our recent history is a betrayal of everything we once stood for. The US and Britain ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran in 1953 and replaced him with the infinately corrupt Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, enabling him to put his boot on the necks of the Iranians and propping him up for decades in exchange for his more friendly-to-the-west leanings.    

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:39 | 3271982 john39
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nice c- grade propaganda you are trying spread.  Iran is a beautiful country with pretty solid people.  as for the bile you are spreading about oppression, look around the U.S. or Europe lately?  Certainly a far higher level of culture in Iran than say israhole....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:52 | 3272273 nmewn
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TBT is married to an Iranian if I recall, I would suspect he knows very well what he's talking about.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:07 | 3272069 smlbizman
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tbt...maybe would should improve their lives and move them to detroit...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:19 | 3272089 css1971
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Iran had a democracy until the US instigated a coup in 1953 and installed a King. America made Iran what it is today by destroying their democratic republic.


So..... your point was?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:06 | 3272933 TBT or not TBT
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Mostly you'll get an earful about Carter letting/helping the Shah to fall, but sure they'll wear you out about Mossdegh too, and the British, and so on.    Bottom line though, lots of Iranians are nostalgic about the time of the Shah, when Iran was modernising fast, the schools were integrated, and Islam wasn't in your face, and the mullahs weren't ruining everyone's day, and week, and month, and life.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:27 | 3273108 o2sd
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Yes, all of which was created by the country that promotes tyranny everywhere, the USA. Try researching what Iran was like under Mosaddegh before your country's reign of terror.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:34 | 3271969 McMolotov
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Exactly. The way our government and the complicit media describe these places, you'd think they were Detroit.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:37 | 3272985 TBT or not TBT
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Or Obama's old community organizing locales in Chicago.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:20 | 3271943 Global Hunter
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Great link HH!  Thanks

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:48 | 3271583 NoWayJose
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Drone makers are cheering this, as the US will be forced into buying Drone 2.0 models with anti-hacking features.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:22 | 3271823 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Drone Wars shall continue -- as long as someone is footing the bill.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:52 | 3271884 A Nanny Moose
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...but made in China.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:04 | 3272048 Kirk2NCC1701
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Of course it never occurs to the 2.0 SW geeks, that by then Iran's (and Russia's and China's) HW geeks will have learned how to spot them and track them in the sky, and use them for target practice.  Or will have made clone copies of 1.0 drones, and use them to... "Return to Sender, address well-know".  What poetic irony that would be.

"That's why it's going right up your... I knew you'd be surprised!".  - philosopher Zappa

But, hey, why impede sales of 2.0 SW in the meantime? /sarc

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:14 | 3272080 TBT or not TBT
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Russia is imploding demographically and therefore economically, as is, and will, China.   Their leaders are interested in enriching themselves, and screwing around with tech for sale to broke governments is not their way forward.    

As to Russian tech, western militaries have been going through the best stuff they could come up with like hot knife through...air, and that's loking backward, at products of a less comprehensively destroyed Russia.   Going forward, Russia gets worse, as it has been doing for decades.   

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:42 | 3272377 Bandit und Buster
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"Russia is imploding demographically and therefore economically, as is, and will, China.   Their leaders are interested in enriching themselves,..."

OHHHH! I see, and THAT'S the difference they have with the US, right! Got it!  /sarc

you're full of shit or ignorance!


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:10 | 3272937 TBT or not TBT
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Russia's birth rate is and has been well below 1 per woman for a long while.   Demographers are agreed anything below 1.4 and you're doomed.      The US birthrate had been holding in the 2.0/2.1 arena buy has dropped to 19 and now 1.8 with the Obama Democrat party and other control freak central planning assholes clouding our future.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:48 | 3271584 djsmps
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So they downed a Freedom Enabler.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:49 | 3271585 insidious
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How will people feel in America if Americans get tracked down and killed by non-US drones and the governments repsonsible refuse to release evidence as to the reason for the assasination? Will we so easily accept the judgement of the executive branch of another nation or would we see it as an act of war?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:04 | 3271615 SilverDOG
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Targets will be the ones trying to escape from the FEMA camps.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:39 | 3271866 TBT or not TBT
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Moral relativism much?    Iran's government is a brutal tyranny bent on regional domination, genocide, acquisition of the ADM needed to pull it off.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:47 | 3272385 Bandit und Buster
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It's so confusing! So you're saying their just like israel and therefore THAT'S  the problem?? Hmmm

OK for Israel to be a brutal tyranny to the regional people and dominate them w/ genocide and but but but NOT Iran!

Speaking of "RELATIVISM"! 


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:15 | 3272950 TBT or not TBT
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Gays, and even gay arabs, live openly and freely so in..WHICH middle eastern countries?    Not in the paleosimian terrortories, mind you.    Those are fanatical, ignorant shitholes like much of the arab world but with the added stench and patheticness of living off welfare from the West for so many decades.    I am talking of the wealthy, free, neighboring country, the highest educated in the world, that has sadly had to wall out these sad neighbors, and from time to time fight for their lives against multiple invading armies at once, intent on killing every last one of them. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:30 | 3273117 o2sd
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Looks like we've got an Israeli astroturfer. Lets see if he and francis can get together and make sweet forum fireworks.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 21:10 | 3272678 Things that go bump
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Don't you just love an underdog with so many attractive virtues.  

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:53 | 3271888 Shell Game
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Blowback is a bitch..

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:04 | 3272061 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, countries that send drones over U.S. soil to kill americans will get blown...not "back," but "up."    That's how a republic of a free people handles foreign aggression, by agressing back ten or a hundred times as hard, not twice.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:49 | 3271587 NoWayJose
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How much longer until we see Iranian drones built in China flying over the US Fleet?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:13 | 3271927 The Heart
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The funny part of this is when these things start flying over isreal, they will not know if they are American drones, or the Iranian ships in new chinese copied American drone airframes.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3272070 TBT or not TBT
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It isn't the airframe that makes the drone, it is the software and communication/control systems.    That's the hard part, and they don't have that, nor the satellite links needed.     The USA does.  Iran will not likely reach that level off of their current political and economic model, which is a suicidal one. 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 21:14 | 3272694 StychoKiller
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Satellites are only relay points in space, they take in whatever radio signals fit in their bandwidth and send it back down to a reception point.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:20 | 3272957 TBT or not TBT
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That cost a shitload to put up there and maintain.   Oh.   You only get to use them if you own them or lease services from those who do.    Get it in your head now if you can, that Iran is having to bring in North Korean ballistic missile technology.    North Korean.    Nevermind a launcher worthy of entrusting a very expensive satellite on, or twenty...which is what you'd need to even start.   Iran is not going to have a C3I network worth a damn, probably ever, for this and other reasons.     Pretty much only the USA has a comprehensive global one.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:04 | 3271588 nmewn
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"In a YouGov poll of 1,000 voters last August, Tesler found significantly more support for targeted killing of suspected terrorists among white “racial liberals” (i.e., those liberal on issues of race) and African-Americans when they were told that Obama supported such a policy than when they were >>>not<<< told it was the president’s policy. Only 27 percent of white racial liberals in a control group supported the targeted killing policy, but that jumped to 48 percent among such voters who were told Obama had conducted such targeted killings."

Gotta love the "progressive" back flips.

Happiness, is a warm drone.


Speaking of idiot "progressives", their agendas and's a young man who knows his rights...

...well done young man ;-)

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:44 | 3271750 formadesika3
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"In a YouGov poll of 1,000 voters last August, Tesler found significantly more support for targeted killing of suspected terrorists among white “racial liberals” (i.e., those liberal on issues of race) and African-Americans when they were told that Obama supported such a policy than when they were >>>not<<< told it was the president’s policy. Only 27 percent of white racial liberals in a control group supported the targeted killing policy, but that jumped to 48 percent among such voters who were told Obama had conducted such targeted killings."

Things never change. Nixon goes to China.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:41 | 3271868 TBT or not TBT
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Nixon identified easily with other control freaks and paranoiacs.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:44 | 3271754 Anusocracy
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The liberals back their subhuman leaders just like the conservatives do.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:47 | 3271875 TBT or not TBT
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"Conservatives" come under withering attack from their own kind constantly, and don't put up with Jesusification of the order liberals have allowed Obama/Axelrod to do.    Obama is very, very human, a psychologically damaged man lashing out against wrongs he imagines inflicted upon the Rest of the World(Kenyans, Indonesians, and Hawaians for example...the peoples of his upbringing) by the West.    He's been attracted to other damaged subversive minds throughout his life thereafter, not just those his lefty mom and grandparents inflicted on him.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:46 | 3273164 Anusocracy
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Prehistoric psychopathic alpha-males were hard wired for their behaviors.

Modern era psychopathic alpha-males are hard-wired for their behaviors.

He's genetically damaged.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:28 | 3271837 GMadScientist
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Seems like he was looking to get hassled...lucky he didn't get shot by the Po-Po.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:56 | 3272279 nmewn
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He was only walking down the street.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 19:46 | 3272521 GMadScientist
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Sorry, nobody rehearses that much without knowing they want an audience.


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:25 | 3272592 nmewn
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Do you have any evidence to support your claim he rehearsed anything or are you reacting just as the cop did without any real justification? Do you have any evidence (besides the cop saying so) that someone actually called in saying they see someone walking around with a gun?

He is a law student, who knows his subject matter very well...its perfectly legal to open carry where he was so there is no reason for the cops to hassle him. He not only knows the gun laws of this locale (and the cop obviuosly did not) but his rights as an American when it comes to the gestapo tactics often employed by the local gendarmes. We don't have to "show our papers" on demand just because authority demands them.

Everyone has a cell phone camera these days...some cops don't like that either. Usually the same ones who use video gather information & evidence on their Thats too bad...just

The only saving grace for this cop (and his department and town finances) is his supervisor did know the law and let him go immediately, with his scary, black, high capacity, fully loaded, gun ;-)

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:51 | 3271592 Hannibal
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Except for Iran, every country has the right of self defens against foreign evil doers.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:06 | 3271620 StarTedStackin'
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List me up a set of countries that have already PROMISED to Nuke Tel Aviv and D.C., once they get the capability.......

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:22 | 3271670 pies_lancuchowy
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wake me up when you read the REAL quote from mr Ahmadinejad, not the zionist 'translation', repeated a thousand times, like Goebbels taught

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3271674 Anusocracy
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How many times have the nutjobs in Washington or Tel Aviv mentioned nuking various countries?

The US is the most violent, warlike country, with Israel number two.

Nobody else comes close.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:43 | 3271745 samcontrol
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in decades , the US empire is still an infant.

Say... Rome for example.

The human race is warlike...just happens US has the most and best toys right now. don't really know wtf for..
but hey you got saddam and the family... no complaints there except for the thousands of innocent dead civilians and crippled US marines.
I still don't understand why it is not eASier to kill foreign leaders.
Kennedy was easy enough.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:30 | 3271840 GMadScientist
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Why kill someone when you can arrange a plane crash instead?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:02 | 3271906 A Nanny Moose
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...and blame it on the Russians

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:02 | 3271908 TBT or not TBT
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So, we should have taken the nuclear option off the table, formally?   Or physically, like Obama has said he would like to do, if he could?

The reason we don't have big wars and lots of smaller ones is because we constantly excercise and maintain readiness of a hierarchy of force responses, including and up to annhilation.    For our investments we get something called "peace", actual peace in our time.     Iraq and Afghanistan, however poorly executed and thought out, were tiny little affairs, on a scale of wars the USA has known in the past, and would like to avoid in the future.   Killing the leaders of menacing tyrannies, I agree with you, is a great idea, and would be far less costly than what we do now.   We don't kill them because we've tied our own hands with this club called the United Nations, within which we have made sacrosanct the nonsense called "sovereignty".    Pathetic brutal tyrannies should not be treated as sovereign.    Adopting that principle would make sorting out Iran or Saddam, Chavez or Castro or Mugabe very cheap and way more effective.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:54 | 3271891 TBT or not TBT
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We, here in the developed world, are prosperous and free because we are good at war, "peace" being always and everywhere a state of affairs resulting from another thing called "Victory" coupled with "Strength."     Strength exudes directly from freedom, and that is the reason western armies beat the crap out of arab ones at war.    Arab fighters have no intrinsic interest in victory as individuals.  They are slaves in a tyranny, or they die and get their 72 always-virgin teen fuck slaves.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:45 | 3271989 john39
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"war is peace... ignorance is strength"....  i get it.    but you should know, i think that Orwell was being sarcastic.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:31 | 3272973 TBT or not TBT
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There is no country on this planet that didn't come to exist as the result of victory, or victories, of their own or by powerful allies.     Peace is the period between wars that establish new borders.     That's the history of...history. States remain states by maintaining coercive power, the ability to do violence themselves, or reliance on allies ability to do so.     Frequently enough they liver or die on their ability to defend their territory, and sometimes this extends even to taking out or cutting down to size rival states pre-emptively.     It isn't my fault that this is the history of the world, and it isn't healthy to be in denial of it.      Bumper sticker phrases don't keep the peace, soldiers do, well armed and trained soldiers do.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:10 | 3273333 RichardP
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Are you saying that someone will take what l have away from me if they are stronger than me, and that this has been the history of the world?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:59 | 3272415 Bandit und Buster
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Primary reason US is so aggressive and hostile lately is BECAUSE it is CONTROLLED BY Zionist Israel! 

The Jews LOVE wars, especially when the non-jews will fight them for them!



“I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
— Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon


"‘We’ve been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not.  I’m sure,’ Ra’anan Gissin, a senior adviser to [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon, said n an interview Friday." Stephanie Innes, Arizona Daily Star, March 18, 2003.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:46 | 3271757 which way weste...
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mordor on the potomac and kikistan proper are much great threats to my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness than any Iranian might ever be.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:01 | 3271902 Deacon Frost
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We have a 'Sayan' present?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:58 | 3272281 e-recep
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usa is still the only country that nuked civilians.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:34 | 3272975 TBT or not TBT
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We killed more Japanese with firebombing, and without the Manhattan Project bombs would have certainly killed and maimed far more Japanese finishing them off with conventional warfare methods of the time.     Any thought to how many chinese, koreans, pacific islanders lives were crushed and wiped out by a couple decades of japanese fascism?      More than a few hundred K.    Far more.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:58 | 3271606 Crash Overide
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Still wondering if Iran has those Keshe MARGRAV drives operating behind the scenes, they could pluck any drone out of the sky whenever they wanted to. Too many secrets...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:26 | 3271672 BigInJapan
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Weird lack of Google hits in English for keshe margrav. German, yes. French, yes. English, crickets. . . Are you guys getting anything back in The World?

edit: MAGRAV. Goddamnit man this shit is a little important to be making spelling mistakes.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 19:02 | 3272420 Bandit und Buster
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Well the Keshe technology has been offered to ALL nations...sounds fair to me.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:01 | 3271610 Winston Smith 2009
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"All this happened because someone during the drone design phase forgot to add a self-destruct option. Now, over a year later, we will see if someone finally thought of adding this simple feature"

Individual electronic LRUs (line replaceable units), those important enough to implement such a feature, can be designed to self-destruct in a fashion that one wouldn't even notice until one tried to operate the device.  Your knowledge of "self-destuct" apparently comes only from the explosions and thermite induced melt-downs in movies.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:12 | 3271634 HD
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What are the odds it says "Goodyear" on the side of the drone?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:13 | 3271635 Stares straight...
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Why am I secretly and guiltily rooting for The drone catchers?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:17 | 3271653 syntaxterror
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The Drone Catchers would be a great title for a book.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:22 | 3271666 Stares straight...
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Please write it, with directions included.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:28 | 3271699 BigInJapan
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Because you probably hate white people.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:24 | 3271948 The Heart
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"Why am I secretly and guiltily rooting for The drone catchers?"

Because war is peace, and peace is war in babylons babylonic world of babylonians.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:13 | 3271638 SleepingBear
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I like the American flag with the little skulls in it, that's a nice touch


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:19 | 3271659 S474NtheD3v1L
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard is denying that it captured a foreign unmanned aircraft during a military exercise in southern Iran.

A spokesman for the Guard, Yasin Hasanali, told The Associated Press that the drone was actually being used during the drill as a supposed enemy aircraft.

Iranian media on Saturday quoted a spokesman for the Guard as saying that its electronic warfare unit had taken control of a foreign drone's navigation system and forced it to land during the site of the military exercise.

Iran has claimed to have captured several U.S. drones, including an advanced RQ-170 Sentinel CIA spy drone in December 2011 and at least three ScanEagle aircraft.

The Guard's military exercise, code-named Great Prophet-8, ends on Monday.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:46 | 3271995 The Heart
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"The Guard's military exercise, code-named Great Prophet-8, ends on Monday."

One has to hand it to those Iranian folks for being so smart in holding these exercises during the notorious Purim time. Makes it harder to be surprise attacked if they are already out conducting military exercises in anticipation of an attack by the rothschild glove puppet apartheid nation of AshkaNAZIans.

Typically, false flag events take place on Mondays around 9:00am so they can milk the horrific news all during what they call the "news-week." The business of fear propagation during a planed and orchestrated govt event is a science for these propagandists, and purveyors of the fear-mongering black-arts. Knowing that the nutty-yahoo puppet govt is insane enough to insist on starting world war three as they were specifically created to do by the rottenchilds, an attack can come at any time in the coming weeks. Typically, these evil warmongers like to attack in March as history has shown. It is either around the new moon time, which is on the 11th of March this year, or during the significant equinox dates of the 21st-22nd.

Everybody knows the banksters are going down fast. This only shoves them into the corner of insanity to push yet another button to cause more war. Imagine if all that money spent on the war machine was spent in the States instead on rebuilding America's manufacturing and infrastructure. What kind of boom for the country would that produce?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:20 | 3271662 Super Broccoli
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people are dumb sheep that's all, review Milgram's experiments ! people would do anything authority tells them to do

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3271676 NoWayJose
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I am guessing, but it looks like what is flying over Iran are unarmed smaller spy drones. The ones with missiles are not being used.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3271680 SleepingBear
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The Iran government is denying that the drone was American, but if there's any government I trust less than my own, it's probably Iran's

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:54 | 3271767 marcusfenix
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never, ever, ever trust any other government less than your own...ever.

the government you live under the rule of should always be the one you trust the least because they have the most impact on your life and can and will do you the most harm...

PS i didn't down arrow you.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 17:51 | 3272269 SleepingBear
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Duly noted. Iran has at least never been anything less than forthcoming with their lunacy whereas Washington's lunacy is hidden by what would be called the pretense of knowledge

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3271682 e_goldstein
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Seems to me we could learn a thing (or 4) from Iran:

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:48 | 3272003 The Heart
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Monkey see...monkey do?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:26 | 3271684 Rustysilver
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Super Broccoli,

Sort of like highly intellectual Germans with their PhDs circa 1930-45.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:30 | 3271708 Pseudo Anonym
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jew banksters know how to play their pawns

America will simply allow Barrack Obama to do whatever he wants because he is black

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:38 | 3271862 JOYFUL
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now, now, the phenomena is actually ecumenical...for milllenia, elites of all stripes have played to the vanities and delusions of their targeted dupes...

race, religion or culture are no barrier to creative duplicity of this sort...

Merikan HUGH B URBAN does a wonderful job of detailing the scam in his Elitism and Esotericism: Strategies of Secrecy and Power in South Indian Tantra and French Freemasonry -

esotericism is by no means primarily a "counter-cultural" or "subversive"phenomenon; rather, it is very often an elitist phenomenon, the province of highly educated, affluent and powerful intellectuals, who wish, not to undermine existingsocial structures, but rather subtly to reinforce them, or else to bend and reshape them according to their own interests...

wherein he details the same strategies, such as

the creation of a new social space or private sphere, which promises "equality" and liberation for all classes, while at the same time constructing new and more rigid hierarchies;

such as we see of the present moment...nothing new under the Sun ol son...wandering jews, phoney pharaohs, fakirs n freemasons building pyramids of power on the backsides of their dupe followers...

timeless cycles of endless bullshit!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:33 | 3271716 torabora
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Did it have the "Intel Inside" logo?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:00 | 3271726 q99x2
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People are weird.

To counter the growing financial concerns of global corporatists the US decided to use a technology that has heavy risks both short and long term.

We are nearing the limits of greed.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:44 | 3271748 hmmmstrange
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This is just part of the new "drones for oil" policy.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:58 | 3271776 Fix It Again Timmy
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We lost wars and screwed up without drones and we will lose wars and screw up with drones - best thing to do is stay the f*^k home....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:05 | 3271795 Rentier
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sheeple will do what sheeple will do, fall in line.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:18 | 3271812 Kirk2NCC1701
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I read this last night as a news headline on my phone.

/Is this part of America's Foreign Aid -- providing drone tech?  /sarc


Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:25 | 3271830 booboo
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blacks and white progressives can't be racist, after all racism is defined as favoring one race and skin color over another....wait just a minute........nevermind.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:59 | 3271854 Monedas
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Maybe these were "factory refurbished to meet original manufacturer's specs" ..... Heartland America 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:39 | 3271865 One World Mafia
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Obamanoids/racial liberals are just one dwindling side of the equation and require rigged elections for support.

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