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The Men Who Built America: Remembering The Gilded Age Part 2

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Continuing to look back at what once was. Following Part 1's emergence from the civil war and the age of enlightenment, In Part 2 of the 4 part History Channel series, America continues to recover from the Civil War, undertaking the largest building phase of the country s history. While much of the growth is driven by railroads and oil, it's built using steel. From the Civil War to the Great Depression and World War I, for better or worse; for richer or poorer, in ethical and societal sickness or health; these five men - John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford and J.P. Morgan - led the way.



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Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:41 | 3272987 DJ Happy Ending
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Fuck the gilded age. It led directly to 1913.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:06 | 3273021 prains
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Americans need more of this stuff to help them feel better about themselves and how they haven't fucked everything up.

Like part 1 did, nothing helps more than historical revisionism, it's like a soothing balm for the soul and helps everyone forget that really america is about indiscriminate killing of brown people 

by remote controlled drones.


Somewhere in america there is always a football game on because that's what really matters.



If you can't figure this out for yourself I'm pretty sure your HMO won't cover you for "mild to severe" retardation so my advie to you would be to just 

PUSH ON THROUGH with what few faculties you have left and......good luck

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:38 | 3273145 Paul Bogdanich
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Whomever wrote this guilded age bullshit story is either a professional propagandist or a twisted fuck.  Yes let's remember the guilded age shall we.  Child labor.  Rampant disease.  Apauling mortality.  China like polution.  Pinkertons killing striking workers.  Towns wiped out and thousands killed because a private dam to create a lake in front of a vacation home burst with no accountability after the fact.  Factories where essentially all the workers died in fires because they were chained in.  Factory towns.  Company men.  Average life expectancy of a working man 55 years.  The subjudation of negros.  Yeah guilded all right but for whom?  You can't go back and these people who romanticize the age have not even done the basic research to see how it was for the vast majority of the population.  Oh but wait, they could give a rats ass about the population.  It's the "icons" they worship.  This recycled slave-owner bullshit story gets old after several hundered years.  Tell it to a house negro somewhere.  I hear there's one in high places.  Just don't wast your breath on us field negros.           

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:29 | 3273234 JOYFUL
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'field negroes'>>>??? who you kiddin...

niggas don't do 'field work' no more bud...that's what we got latinos for!

EBT n Denalis for me...that's the new 'work song' of the current crew of crop-sharers...; and guess whose crop they sharin!

by the way...55 years ain't a bad span of time to live if you lived them all as a free man...80 some years of slavery in the FEMA CAMP MERIKA comin down the pike doesn't sound like much of a counter offer!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:56 | 3273257 francis_sawyer
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Worst bunch of propaganda bullshit I've ever seen on TV...


[from Wiki] ~ whose interprettion I agree with in this case:


The channel now features mostly mainstream reality TV shows with stretched relations to historical events of any kind.

History has in the past, particularly during the 1990s, been jokingly referred to as "The Hitler Channel" [GUESS WHY]

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:19 | 3273286 Pinto Currency
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Those chaps also known as Pirates of the Potomac.  They looted and built. Built and looted.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:44 | 3273527 kaiserhoff
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Better than the usual Commie Jew agit-prop that comes out of New Yawk, but I've never been a fan of the Great Man theory of history.  If not these 5, then it would have been others.  True even with the inventors. 

Read the contrarian literature whenever you can.  Shouldn't be a hard sell to this crowd.  One thing you will learn is that there was active, even vicious competition going on for most of the great "discoveries" of the last centuries.

For everything, there is a season.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:16 | 3273746 francis_sawyer
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When HC comes out with a piece on Nikola Tesla, then I'll be impressed... Then again ~ probably not... By the end of the show ~ Tesla would have attributed all his success to Mayer Rothschild...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:33 | 3273389 22winmag
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If you say "guilded" one more time, you'll taste the back of my grammar-nazi hand.


Don't step on my romantic, pollyanna vision of pre-1913 America. I'd happily take rampant disease and chattel slavery over what you have today... rampant disease and wage slavery.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:40 | 3273465 straightlinelogic
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That should be "Whoever wrote this gilded age bullshit..." In the second sentence, it is again "gilded," not guilded. It is "Appalling," not "Apauling." It is "subjugation," not subjudation. It is "waste," not "wast." You might at least sound like you knew what you were talking about, which you don't, if you knew how to write. No need to thank me for my editing; sheer tedium prevented me from going through your entire post.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:00 | 3273484 midtowng
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The gilded age led directly to the most corrupt government the country had ever seen, until now.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:41 | 3272989 Alcoholic Nativ...
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All Praise the job creators.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:49 | 3273007 GMadScientist
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Also known as customers.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:47 | 3273005 otto skorzeny
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this era marked the beginning of a small group of enormously wealthy men taking the reins of this country through the buying and selling of politicians and we are seeing the culmination of this crony capitalism  reaching its high water mark today.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:52 | 3273017 GMadScientist
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B-b-b-but "this era" is the golden age that all libertarians harken back to as the model economy.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:00 | 3273031 LetThemEatRand
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All of the Rand worshippers forget that little detail, like they forget that Greenspan was not only Rand's biggest fan but a co-author of some of her works.  It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise intelligent people will tirelessly hold on to their ideology long after the facts have proven it foolish.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:00 | 3273037 akak
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Forgive him, Ayn, for he knows not what he says.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:06 | 3273052 otto skorzeny
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your obsesssion w Rand is scary-like Hinckley/Jodi Foster scary

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:12 | 3273059 akak
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His obsession is not actually with Rand, it is with continually knocking down the strawman (strawwoman?) of Rand that he has created within his own sordid and fevered imagination, most likely via vile misrepresentations of her and her work fed to him through the anti-freedom, anti-free-thinking propaganda of statist professors.  Never having read anything by Rand by his own admission, it could hardly be otherwise.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:17 | 3273075 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, no one can dislike her if he really knows her, right?  Hero worship much?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:43 | 3273152 akak
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Having a blind and raging dislike for somebody whom you do not really know, nor understand, borders on ... faith.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:03 | 3273269 Ropingdown
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I thought Rand was interesting right up until I learned she lived out her life accepting free Medicare health coverage.  The most devoted Randian I know holds himself out as a heroic capitalist, when in fact all the money in the house comes from his foreign wife's gangster dad.  It's like a strange inside-out version of a cargo cult: "I tout this glory-myth version of business, so it's OK that I've got all this money, isn't it?"

Oh, and the five in the TV series left out Tom Scott, who really got the whole thing going by winning the Civil War logistically and founding the first (sizeable) 'general charter' corporation.  He gave the steel rail contracts to his assistant Andrew Carnegie, who in turn, surprise, became a fabulously wealthy steel producer.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:15 | 3273071 LetThemEatRand
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Most of the people running the country consider her a hero.   We almost had a Vice President who said she inspired him to office.  We have an increasingly popular Senator who changed his name in her honor.  And if I insult her childish hateful philosophy here, I draw a shit ton of responses from her loving fans.  

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:20 | 3273089 LetThemEatRand
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"Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Idaho Senate's Education Committee, introduced legislation that would require every Idaho high school student to read 'Atlas Shrugged' and pass an exam on the book to graduate."

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:25 | 3273092 Yen Cross
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  Hey Rand. AKAK is good shit. The rest of those "Red Coats" are questionable.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:21 | 3273098 LetThemEatRand
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"Romney’s running mate, Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan, has built his political philosophy on Rand’s work; for years, he gave away copies of her novels as Christmas presents and made them required reading for his staffers."

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:29 | 3273114 LetThemEatRand
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 In a 1966 letter, Ronald Reagan wrote, “Am an admirer of Ayn Rand …”

Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson calls “Atlas Shrugged” his “foundational book,” and the Republican said in a 2010 debate the novel is “a warning of what could happen to America.”

Each year, Justice Clarence Thomas hosts a screening of the 1949 film version of Rand’s novel, “The Fountainhead,” for his four new law clerks.

Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor and current Libertarian candidate for president, gave his fiancée a copy of “Atlas Shrugged” when they started dating, and told her, “If you want to understand me, read this.”

Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford penned an essay for Newsweek, “Atlas Hugged,” just months after his affair was exposed in 2009. He said he was “blown away” by Rand’s novels in the ’80s, but “since then, I’ve grown more critical of Rand’s outlook because it doesn’t include the human needs we have for grace, love, faith, or any form of social compact.”

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:36 | 3273137 cxl9
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You sound a lot like someone who signs the back of a government check. Hope that keeps working out for ya'.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:38 | 3273146 LetThemEatRand
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Of course, if I don't like Rand I must be a moocher.  You people have one fucking gear. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:41 | 3273139 otto skorzeny
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who gives a fuck-hank ford thought "Mein Kampf" was a great read but he still made a hell of a car

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:29 | 3273293 Joe A
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Hitler had a photo of Ford on one of his desks. Many of America's elite had a soft spot for uncle Adolf.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:51 | 3273531 kaiserhoff
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And Roosevelt just adored "Uncle Joe" Stalin.  So what's your point?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:38 | 3273144 williambanzai7
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They are all a bunch of hypocritical pseudo-Randian pussys. When push comes to shove, they all run for cover by creating some half baked bullshit excuse like Ryan did.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:42 | 3273151 LetThemEatRand
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I recognize no difference between "pseudo-Randian" and "Randian", because every Randian I have ever enountered is merely a self-centered egomaniac who uses her philosophy to justify their own shitty behavior.  Greenspan is the perfect example of a Randian in practice.  

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:45 | 3273159 otto skorzeny
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the only things of substance politicians have ever built is a web of lies and a pile of debt

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:48 | 3273475 eclectic syncretist
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There is a certain intolerance in Rand's work and philosophy, "objective self-interest", that makes many people who follow her stuff assholes.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:22 | 3273578 JOYFUL
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Yes...but at least  she was consistent in her objective self interest...

the idealized icon who called others 'looters, parasites, and mooches' took pains to make sure that she received social security and medicare benefits(in the name of Ann O'Connor.)

Few indeed would have the boldness to such level of hypocrisy.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:28 | 3273228 olto
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I didn't know any of the above, but now that I do----it is easier to understand why the u s is so retarded; it is a country run by retards. I really enjoyed Rand when I was 16, but when I got in to the real world----all those red-blooded Randers truly wanted was 'yes men' that would kiss their asses.

I went off on my own and became a great failure all by myself,

and I never had to kiss a single Rand ass!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 06:23 | 3273432 bunnyswanson
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  • Two new biographies of Rand— Goddess of the Market by Jennifer Burns and Ayn Rand and the World She Madeby Anne Heller—try to puzzle out this question, showing how her arguments found an echo in the darkest corners of American political life. * But the books work best, for me, on a level I didn't expect. They are thrilling psychological portraits of a horribly damaged woman who deserves the one thing she spent her life raging against: compassion.

    Alisa Rosenbaum (her original name) was born in the icy winter of czarism, not long after the failed 1905 revolution ripped through her home city of St. Petersburg. Her father was a self-made Jewish pharmacist, while her mother was an aristocratic dilettante who loathed her three daughters. She would tell them she never wanted children, and she kept them only out of duty. Alisa became a surly, friendless child. 

    In elementary school, her class was asked to write an essay about why being a child was a joyous thing. She instead wrote "a scathing denunciation of childhood," headed with a quote from Pascal: "I would prefer an intelligent hell to a stupid paradise."

    But the Rosenbaums' domestic tensions were dwarfed by the conflicts raging outside. The worst anti-Jewish violence since the Middle Ages was brewing, and the family was terrified of being killed by the mobs—but it was the Bolsheviks who struck at them first. After the 1917 revolutions, her father's pharmacy was seized "in the name of the people." For Alisa, who had grown up surrounded by servants and nannies, the Communists seemed at last to be the face of the masses, a terrifying robbing horde. In a country where 5 million people died of starvation in just two years, the Rosenbaums went hungry. Her father tried to set up another business, but after it too was seized, he declared himself to be "on strike." 


    Try:  Google G-o-o-g-l-e  search:  Ayn Rand  damaged, addicted to diet pills, ruined her lover when he left.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:14 | 3273565 GMadScientist
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Yup....wanna-be aristocrat with mommy issues...that's Ayn to a 'T'.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:34 | 3273128 LetThemEatRand
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"BB&T Bank gave Millions to Spread Ayn Rand's philosopy by Grants to Colleges & Universities"

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:35 | 3273134 LetThemEatRand
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"Among the other groups the Koch brothers donated to were the Heartland Institute, the climate change-skeptical think tank, which received $25,000; the Federalist Society, which got $260,000; and the Ayn Rand Institute, which took in $100,000."

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:16 | 3273215 JOYFUL
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I admire your persistence in pursuing your theme against a tough crowd...and no, not everybody here associates that theme with being 'a moocher' ...

but your koch bros reference is a perfect example of how to miss the big story in pursuit of the minor details...yes they fund the anti-global warming scam 'Heartland Institute' -they also fund the warmists...

the big moneymasters have no allegiance to anything other than big money...political ideologies are playdough for them, that they use to fashion into fascinating toys for dull girls n boys to play into their hands with.

They might have even funded this tv program - who's idolized icons were earlier incarnations of the same moneymaster monster mold.

Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum was a hebraic russian trotskyite, imported into the Chicago sionist setting where from she was unleashed to run amok in 'heartland america' with a program of phony fondness for free enterprise

...writing turgid prose designed to set the minds of impressionable youth afire with a febrile egoism which would break down their fellow-felling and solidarity with the(largely Europoid)society they lived in and set up the course by which, nearly a century later, a mongrel acolyte of the mafia trained public enemy Saul Alinsky could be used as a front man for a neo-con putsch by to finally take over and destroy the once mighty Republic by making it lap dog of the sionazi masters of mischief who they all work for.




Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:13 | 3273444 falak pema
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good ole Joy, he has ONE eyeglass from which to analyse the world.

If he had been a ROman oligarch like Cato of old, he would have ALWAYS sung "Carthagem delenda est!"

It was the only thing Cato ever sang; and he got his way !

Now aint that cute? History written for eternity by the ruling class! Vae Victis!

Just like the men who MADE the USA the men who MADE republican Rome, were tainted with the same selective hubris and same Oligarchy agenda.

Well, at least they had an excuse then, they were at the beginning of a two thousand five hundred year thread we call "civilization"...

Bogey man, bogey man...its a song that every hegemony has ever sung since Achilles faced Hector! Troy had to fall!

If God didn't exist we would have had to invent Him, as said Voltaire,  rhymes with :  if my ENEMY didn't exist I would have to define him EVEN OUT OF THIN AIR ; LIKE A GREENBACKED FIAT PULLED OUT OF MY ONE AND ONLY HEGEMONIAL FED a terrorist who threatens world order; and what a world ORDER it is! 

How we continue to play the same old tune is a measure of our own lack of discernment. Take the path of least resistance man! Not saying that song if played with good judgement is not relevant, but to sing only ONE song to define the moment?

What happened to dialetical balance, two sides of the coin?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:22 | 3273505 JOYFUL
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From the confines of your padded cell, er, "study", I suppose the world may look a benign and harmless place...
For those of us who must travel the paths of life less shielded and more wary, it has many cruel vicissitudes and perils.
Please ring the buzzer when you wish your tray removed squire!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 08:32 | 3273516 falak pema
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thank thee very kindly, 

lol, I like your logic except for ONE TINY anamoly...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:55 | 3273025 Yen Cross
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 I watched all the "History Channel Series". It's not (quite)the same when your family lived it.   The Limeys left, after the Civil War, but Americans rebuilt everything! ( Immigration was welcome) to fire the Industrial Age.  I welcome [LEGAL IMIGRATION]

   I might just put together a piece for Z/H readers. I will be unbiased.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:07 | 3273045 Pseudo Anonym
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i didnt watch this

... "History Channel Series".

who sponsored it and paid for production?  is it the victors writing, history to make them look like heroes instead of robbers and swindlers?  who was it that said behind every great fortune is even greater crime?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:12 | 3273058 Yen Cross
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 Pseudo, History Channel is the most Liberal TV publication on planet Earth.  ( Just LIKE YOU) Even Liberals make some screen worthy material. 

  Pot call Kettle Black/ Pseudo, History Channel does reruns on Global Warming from 5 years ago! ( Al Gore crap)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:33 | 3273236 Pseudo Anonym
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thanks for the info. i got tied up watching my favs in joolywood getting oskikes.  but i'll make sure i watch the global warming series because this winter's been kinda warm so al gore might be onto something. did you know he  even invented internet for us?  wow.  where would zh be without al gore.  that guy is so under-appreciated for all his work he's done for us.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:04 | 3273267 francis_sawyer
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 " after the Civil War, but Americans rebuilt everything!"


Ever heard of 'CARPETBAGGERS' YC?... Who do you suppose they were?... Here ~ I'll help learn ya...

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 03:51 | 3273272 Yen Cross
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 I'll postulate?  francis_sawyer      Tough Articulate poster.   Thanks Francis. You are a man of your word!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 23:58 | 3273030 Political_Savage
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Jealousy much.., just because most of us (I.e. none of us) will ever have a series dedicated to us, or a company that bears our name and survives time, we're so quick to hate and degrade. All of you wish and dream this was you... You just don't have the balls to admit it or achieve it

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:13 | 3273057 otto skorzeny
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history tends to forget the money changers-and I'll wager that 90% of americans know nothing about the men in these shows

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:28 | 3273109 Yen Cross
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 Not until you dig one up with a pouch full of " Confederate$'s". You are correct otto. I always liked you. Paul Revere couldn't cast a coin, if his life depended on it!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:50 | 3273259 bunnyswanson
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Greenspan on systemic risk above.

Through murders and assassinations...and a bribe or two via campaign donations....

(European mythology)

‘The craftiest of men’, according to the ancient Greeks, are punished for his trickery by endless labour in the underworld. Throughout eternity he was required to roll a marble block to the top of a hill only to have it plunge back down just as it reached the crest. The symbol of futility, Sisyphus had been an avaricious King of Corinth.

Read more:

M&A have wiped out small businesses.  The bankrupt companies are on every Main Street in town.  Many of them extended credit during the Great Credit Extension..all manipulation, when the blue collar worker jobs were sent to China, there were the customers. 

Balls?  It does not take balls to donate a million dollars to a politicians or a judge when you are able to get around racketeering and antitust laws.  Capitalism has been replaced by cronyism

The CEOs of today are unworthy of their success.  (RICO act - (antitrust and the fucking banks)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:05 | 3273046 EscapingProgress
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People need to stop subscribing to this delusion that they are Americans simply because they live in the geographic region claimed by America. America is a gang. If you don't work for the gang then you are not an American. You are no more an American than a victim of the Gambino crime family is a Gambino. Please, stop deluding yourselves. There is a clear difference between being a victim and being a member.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:17 | 3273076 prains
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Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:04 | 3273271 bunnyswanson
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People need to stop subscribing to this delusion that they are Israeli simply because they live in the geographic region claimed by Jews. Israel is a gang. If you don't work for the gang then you are not a Jew. You are no more an Israeli than a victim of the Palestinian apartheid. Please, stop deluding yourselves. There is a clear difference between being a victim and being a member of a gang of thugs.


Fixed it for ya!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:05 | 3273273 olto
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NOT SO FAST THERE, Escaping Progress!!!

AMERICA is a BIG place

Much bigger than the u s of a

And we come in various colores, cultures, tongues, shapes, and sizes

So speak for yourself, please, without shaming others on these continents into the shame of the people of the united states of AMERICA

Thank you

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:20 | 3273571 GMadScientist
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Yes, yes, and Chile too.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:05 | 3273049 Yen Cross
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 A large portion of my life in grammer school was in Indiana,Ohio, Illinois. I can assure you that my rendition of the Civil War is much more complete.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:38 | 3273298 olto
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" I can assure you that my rendition of the Civil War is much more complete."

Mine is longer than yours? What is wrong tonight, Yen??

Have another up of tea, please, Yen X


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:59 | 3273325 Yen Cross
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   olto, Before you comment< Are you being factual? ( I can feel the wind blowing)     Show me your artifact.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:20 | 3273572 GMadScientist
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Artifact...with a capital 'F'.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:11 | 3273065 reader2010
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"I don't want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers." says John D. Rockefeller, who also founded the National Education Association.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:30 | 3273115 Vlad Tepid
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The parallels between the Gilded Age and today are frightening, heck JP Morgan's ghost is still hovering over our affairs.  As was pointed out upthread, it led directly to 1913...what this leads to will be even more ominous.  How does one deliver a coup de grace to an already dead republic?  Maybe all that's left is corpse desecration.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:59 | 3273189 Uber Vandal
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If you look at the track record of Wilson on civil liberties, take over of industry, and apply it to today's timeline......


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:30 | 3273118 Yen Cross
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 You old smelly goats. You sound like the signing of the " Constitution"

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:33 | 3273126 Luke 21
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Thanks for posting this.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:41 | 3273149 williambanzai7
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The story of how fabulous business success breeds unbridled greed and corruption. I hope that is adequately covered in this series. For some reason, I doubt it.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:46 | 3273163 T-roll
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It is covered, and quite well, IMO.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:50 | 3273173 Yen Cross
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 The original "biographer reincarnated" . Billy-7  ( you are the best)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:45 | 3273160 T-roll
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Saw the series and thought it was good. What I took from it is that whether you have Capitalism or Socialism, a handful of wealthy, powerful men will game the system to their advantage. All this squabbling about libtards and tea baggers, left vs right nonsense, is all put out by the media (controlled by the elite) in order to keep us from realizing who the real enemy is. Divide and conquer the Sheeple.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:21 | 3273574 GMadScientist
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Arrest this man. ;)

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 00:47 | 3273167 Freewheelin Franklin
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There were two types of entrepreneurs during the "Guilded Age".

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:11 | 3273207 Lordflin
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Well, I haven't watched television in 40 years... did I miss something?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:41 | 3273621 slackrabbit
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Yes, now you can watch bullshit in colour, in high definition and in 3D.

Thank god they haven't added SmellOvision yet...


In short: No


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:14 | 3273212 akak
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If the late 19th century is remembered as "The Gilded Age", will the late 20th and early 21st centuries be remembered as "The Papered(-Over) Age"?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:08 | 3273258 Yen Cross
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 AKAK, you are "of another world". Fantastic rendition of how gold was forged in links for royalty. You know that.

   archaeology is a hobby for me.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:08 | 3273406 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak asked:

If the late 19th century is remembered as "The Gilded Age", will the late 20th and early 21st centuries be remembered as "The Papered(-Over) Age"?

Perhaps "The Gelded Age".

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:22 | 3273575 GMadScientist
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The Electro-Plated or Vapor-Deposition Age.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:41 | 3273246 palmereldritch
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"Why Washington, my boy, these things are nothing. They look large of course--they look large to a novice, but to a man who has been all his life accustomed to large operations--shaw! They're well enough to while away an idle hour with, or furnish a bit of employment that will give a trifle of idle capital a chance to earn its bread while it is waiting for something to do, but--now just listen a moment--just let me give you an idea of what we old veterans of commerce call 'business.' Here's the Rothschild's proposition--this is between you and me, you understand----"

Washington nodded three or four times impatiently, and his glowing eyes said, "Yes, yes--hurry--I understand----"

----"for I wouldn't have it get out for a fortune. They want me to go in with them on the sly--agent was here two weeks ago about it--go in on the sly" [voice down to an impressive whisper, now,] "and buy up a hundred and thirteen wild cat banks in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri--notes of these banks are at all sorts of discount now--average discount of the hundred and thirteen is forty-four per cent--buy them all up, you see, and then all of a sudden let the cat out of the bag! Whiz! the stock of every one of those wildcats would spin up to a tremendous premium before you could turn a handspring--profit on the speculation not a dollar less than forty millions!" [An eloquent pause, while the marvelous vision settled into W.'s focus.] "Where's your hogs now? Why my dear innocent boy, we would just sit down on the front door-steps and peddle banks like lucifer matches!"

Mark Twain - The Gilded Age

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:52 | 3273262 Yen Cross
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 Mark Twain proceded washington by 2 centuries. Mark Twain

 a wonderful person. He lived almost 2 centuries later.(proceded) Washington. numb skulls/  yer learning history and don't even know it!

  My family drove the man around! uck off you so called scholars! I have (literal proof)  You fucking idiots.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 06:50 | 3273438 falak pema
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drunk on yen dunk and cross eyed at pound's despairs? 

You need to get your suspenders tightened and their hooks unmeshed from your nether short hairs, ouch! 

I know it hurts but thats the price you pay to tell smut from clean stuff and controlled flow from an agitated pepsi cannister spurt. 

You may proceed to be preceded by all those sober. 

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:24 | 3273580 GMadScientist
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More succinctly: "Tyin' on a cable, Yen?"

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 01:57 | 3273265 cabtrom
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Good riddens, may they burn in hell!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:15 | 3273280 Yen Cross
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 May you catch a musket ball in the cranium! Hey dik wad? What's the problem? Why would you want to go native?


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 02:14 | 3273281 kicksroute66
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Good series

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:09 | 3273359 Yen Cross
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 Fucking Brittish. Downgraded and all. I've never seen more scally wags reverse their votes.  The Brittish are suffering. I said the Sterling has found a bottom. Be well Limeys

 Cable will close the gap 1.5182/ stops get hit. Offers 10 pips above get chewed. Real bids 1.5400 area. too the moon 1.52660, and some exporter stops to run. Are you listening orly?

  I'm not looking for friends.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:18 | 3273377 Yen Cross
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 I see some brillant minds that couldn't find their way out of a one legged ass kicking contest, Tall hat no cattle talk.

  I drank pepsi just to fuck with you. No shit I took the pictures to prove it

DER ha. I give up on you ! I'll pop in occasionally.  Have fun with your endless diatriabe. You people are all talk and no action?

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:29 | 3273383 Yen Cross
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 Let me make something perfectly clear. You people talk a big game!  A very small percentage of you know your ass ends from a hole in the barn! Some of you I really respect. Some of you are smart and diluted! I don't mean to put anyone down.

  I'm far from perfect, but I do my due dilligence, or ask the idiot question! For fucks sake! AKAK - Knuckles and some others will answer your Q/A if you aren't a retrad when you ask it! 

                                                                          Just show some respect!



Mon, 02/25/2013 - 04:53 | 3273402 devo
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Ayn Rand can blow me.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 09:26 | 3273588 GMadScientist
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What happens in Happy Valley stays in Happy Valley. <shudder>

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:44 | 3273420 EmileLargo
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This is the most amazing documentary series that I have seen on History Channel yet. You don't have to agree with it (whatever your point of view). You just have to enjoy it. It is very well made.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:50 | 3273422 albanian
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I'm not an amerikan,but all of you hu do not like Ayn Rand,do not anderstand her!!!!!

Amerika doesn't have KAPITALISM !!!!

No fucking  country has it!!!!

It is only bad inerpretishon of Kapitalism!!!!

Sorry for my bad english


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 05:50 | 3273423 albanian
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I'm not an amerikan,but all of you hu do not like Ayn Rand,do not anderstand her!!!!!

Amerika doesn't have KAPITALISM !!!!

No fucking  country has it!!!!

It is only bad inerpretishon of Kapitalism!!!!

Sorry for my bad english


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 06:13 | 3273429 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Goldilocks era of American history:  Cheap/free (other people's) land and resources, cheap and domestic energy, ample and cheap labor, child labor, slave labor.  No environmentalism of any kind, no health care or pension costs.  Taxes, IRS, USCIS, CIA, NSA, DOD, HUD?  LOL, ROTF LMAO.  No monster military budgets to siphon taxes, no foreign entanglements or wars.  The era of robber barons, no rules no regulations, few if any constraints.  This is like a plant in fertile ground with barriers far, far away.  Growth is inevitable.

Carnegie's moral virtue of a wealth builder was pitted against a 'wealth extractor' in the form of D. Rockefeller.  Not unlike that of a banker:  positioning, leveraging and extracting wealth.  A complex business model was up against a simple business model:  building vs. extracting.  Part of Rockefeller's genius was not to recognize the value of energy, but of "liquid energy": oil and its derivatives.  Unlike HW products which are solid and used one time (steel to make a building), petroleum transports more 'fluid' and is an endless consumable.  This business model has stood until today.  Just look at the Fortune10, 20 or 50.  See any steel companies in there?

It is said that a note was found in his desk after his death that said:  "I will amass a great wealth in the first half of my life, and give it away in the second half of my life."  Don't see that in this movie.

The Johnstown telegraph warning is reminiscent of today's' warnings on the sovereign debts.

Am surprised at the linear thinking of the striking steel workers.  They could have held the plant itself as a hostage to frikkin Frick.  Up the ante and up their leverage, so to speak.  Carnegie was a simpleton by today's standards, but then so was everyone.  Except for JDR perhaps.




Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:34 | 3273454 q99x2
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Those were the days. Didn't need Fraud to steal everyone else's wealth back then. A good psychopathic amoral attitude and a bundle of ancestral savings backed by gold to buy politicians worked just fine. Except for the one bankster that had to be whacked. And a few other things like WW( and WWII, but I guess you could say those were collateral damage.

Now the psychopaths have to take over the United States of America instead of primitive peoples and that isn't going to go over without a serious unintended consequence of extinction level proportions. They are still no good dirty stinking bankster rat bastard M'Fers. This time the technology iw thousands of times more deadly and the way things can go wrong is a thousand times more complex.

Dude we are doomed as a species thanks to assholes like them.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 07:30 | 3273455 Cult of Criminality
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Near realtime ammo list;

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 10:37 | 3273775 Marley
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Ah, oh for the day when we could rape, pilliage, and plunder for my god's given right to money.  Sigh....I remember when we could generate trillions, no, quadrillion.. even quntillions in leverage and risk, at the expense of others, to make a measly billion dollars in profit.  The funny thing is we even blamed it on the meandering heard.  Good thing we had those useful idiots amoung the heard that were our tools.  lol, blaming those fucking "socialist".   haa haa haa haa.  what a wet dream, idiots!

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 14:09 | 3274461 straightlinelogic
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A few facts about the "Gilded Age," defined as the period after the Civil War until 1913 and the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment:

1) The U.S. achieved the greatest economic and real income growth in its history.

2) Prices were lower at the end of the period than at the beginning under a gold standard dollar.

3) Millions of immigrants were willing to bear the hardships of learning a new language and new life and came to America. There were no handouts available; they came to work.

4) There was no income tax; you kept what you earned.

5) Federal, state, and local governments spent less than 5 percent of the GDP.

6) The federal government wasn't $16 trillion in debt, with $120 trillion of unfunded liabilities. Its debt was neglilgible. We weren't supporting 48 million food stamp recipients and a small cadre of "too big to fail" banks--banks were actually allowed to go under back then.

7) Virtually every technological innovation we take for granted today was either invented or improved beyond recognition during the Industrial Revolution.

The Gilded Age wasn't perfect, no age is, but I'll take the freedom from government that marked that period in the U.S. over any subsequent system, and that means the actual horrors of collectivism, as opposed to the utopian fantasies of Marxist professors; the actual fascism of Hitler and Mussolini; or the bankrupt welfare states of the U.S., Europe, and Japan and their creeping erosion of what few rights their citizens still have. Anybody who would like a different perspective than that taught in socialized schools is free to check out my website, See "History Lessons," under the archive tab.


Mon, 02/25/2013 - 20:06 | 3275820 SamAdams1234
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and gave rise to the Great Depression, with the real possibilty of a repeat of a 1789 like revolution.

Mon, 02/25/2013 - 20:05 | 3275821 SamAdams1234
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and gave rise to the Great Depression, with the real possibilty of a repeat of a 1789 like revolution.

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