The Men Who Built America: Remembering The Gilded Age Part 2

Tyler Durden's picture

Continuing to look back at what once was. Following Part 1's emergence from the civil war and the age of enlightenment, In Part 2 of the 4 part History Channel series, America continues to recover from the Civil War, undertaking the largest building phase of the country s history. While much of the growth is driven by railroads and oil, it's built using steel. From the Civil War to the Great Depression and World War I, for better or worse; for richer or poorer, in ethical and societal sickness or health; these five men - John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Ford and J.P. Morgan - led the way.

 

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francis_sawyer's picture

 " after the Civil War, but Americans rebuilt everything!"

~~~

Ever heard of 'CARPETBAGGERS' YC?... Who do you suppose they were?... Here ~ I'll help learn ya...

http://www.blacksandjews.com/Austen.LiesofHistorians.html

Yen Cross's picture

 I'll postulate?  francis_sawyer      Tough Articulate poster.   Thanks Francis. You are a man of your word!

Political_Savage's picture

Jealousy much.., just because most of us (I.e. none of us) will ever have a series dedicated to us, or a company that bears our name and survives time, we're so quick to hate and degrade. All of you wish and dream this was you... You just don't have the balls to admit it or achieve it

otto skorzeny's picture

history tends to forget the money changers-and I'll wager that 90% of americans know nothing about the men in these shows

Yen Cross's picture

 Not until you dig one up with a pouch full of " Confederate$'s". You are correct otto. I always liked you. Paul Revere couldn't cast a coin, if his life depended on it!

bunnyswanson's picture

http://www.reedsmith.com/files/Publication/05dd6132-3e0c-4ed0-bbae-ecdb2214b347/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/cbc07c87-7d7c-4fdf-873d-5ab0c38096e0/0812antitrust_regulator.pdf

Greenspan on systemic risk above.

Through murders and assassinations...and a bribe or two via campaign donations....

(European mythology)

‘The craftiest of men’, according to the ancient Greeks, are punished for his trickery by endless labour in the underworld. Throughout eternity he was required to roll a marble block to the top of a hill only to have it plunge back down just as it reached the crest. The symbol of futility, Sisyphus had been an avaricious King of Corinth.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/sisyphus#ixzz2Lt0k7zO8

http://digitalcommons.law.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1154&context=lawreview

M&A have wiped out small businesses.  The bankrupt companies are on every Main Street in town.  Many of them extended credit during the Great Credit Extension..all manipulation, when the blue collar worker jobs were sent to China, there were the customers. 

Balls?  It does not take balls to donate a million dollars to a politicians or a judge when you are able to get around racketeering and antitust laws.  Capitalism has been replaced by cronyism

The CEOs of today are unworthy of their success. 

http://digitalcommons.law.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1154&context=lawreview  (RICO act -

http://digitalcommons.law.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1154&context=lawreview (antitrust and the fucking banks)

EscapingProgress's picture

People need to stop subscribing to this delusion that they are Americans simply because they live in the geographic region claimed by America. America is a gang. If you don't work for the gang then you are not an American. You are no more an American than a victim of the Gambino crime family is a Gambino. Please, stop deluding yourselves. There is a clear difference between being a victim and being a member.

bunnyswanson's picture

People need to stop subscribing to this delusion that they are Israeli simply because they live in the geographic region claimed by Jews. Israel is a gang. If you don't work for the gang then you are not a Jew. You are no more an Israeli than a victim of the Palestinian apartheid. Please, stop deluding yourselves. There is a clear difference between being a victim and being a member of a gang of thugs.

 

Fixed it for ya!

olto's picture

NOT SO FAST THERE, Escaping Progress!!!

AMERICA is a BIG place

Much bigger than the u s of a

And we come in various colores, cultures, tongues, shapes, and sizes

So speak for yourself, please, without shaming others on these continents into the shame of the people of the united states of AMERICA

Thank you

GMadScientist's picture

Yes, yes, and Chile too.

Yen Cross's picture

 A large portion of my life in grammer school was in Indiana,Ohio, Illinois. I can assure you that my rendition of the Civil War is much more complete.

olto's picture

 

" I can assure you that my rendition of the Civil War is much more complete."

Mine is longer than yours? What is wrong tonight, Yen??

Have another up of tea, please, Yen X

 

Yen Cross's picture

   olto, Before you comment< Are you being factual? ( I can feel the wind blowing)     Show me your artifact.

GMadScientist's picture

Artifact...with a capital 'F'.

reader2010's picture

"I don't want a nation of thinkers. I want a nation of workers." says John D. Rockefeller, who also founded the National Education Association.

Vlad Tepid's picture

The parallels between the Gilded Age and today are frightening, heck JP Morgan's ghost is still hovering over our affairs.  As was pointed out upthread, it led directly to 1913...what this leads to will be even more ominous.  How does one deliver a coup de grace to an already dead republic?  Maybe all that's left is corpse desecration.

Uber Vandal's picture

If you look at the track record of Wilson on civil liberties, take over of industry, and apply it to today's timeline......

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/woodrow-wilson-am...

 

Yen Cross's picture

 You old smelly goats. You sound like the signing of the " Constitution"

Luke 21's picture

Thanks for posting this.

williambanzai7's picture

The story of how fabulous business success breeds unbridled greed and corruption. I hope that is adequately covered in this series. For some reason, I doubt it.

T-roll's picture

It is covered, and quite well, IMO.

Yen Cross's picture

 The original "biographer reincarnated" . Billy-7  ( you are the best)

T-roll's picture

Saw the series and thought it was good. What I took from it is that whether you have Capitalism or Socialism, a handful of wealthy, powerful men will game the system to their advantage. All this squabbling about libtards and tea baggers, left vs right nonsense, is all put out by the media (controlled by the elite) in order to keep us from realizing who the real enemy is. Divide and conquer the Sheeple.

Freewheelin Franklin's picture

There were two types of entrepreneurs during the "Guilded Age".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vw6uF2LdZw

Lordflin's picture

Well, I haven't watched television in 40 years... did I miss something?

slackrabbit's picture

Yes, now you can watch bullshit in colour, in high definition and in 3D.

Thank god they haven't added SmellOvision yet...

 

In short: No

;-)

akak's picture

If the late 19th century is remembered as "The Gilded Age", will the late 20th and early 21st centuries be remembered as "The Papered(-Over) Age"?

Yen Cross's picture

 AKAK, you are "of another world". Fantastic rendition of how gold was forged in links for royalty. You know that.

   archaeology is a hobby for me.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

akak asked:

If the late 19th century is remembered as "The Gilded Age", will the late 20th and early 21st centuries be remembered as "The Papered(-Over) Age"?

Perhaps "The Gelded Age".

GMadScientist's picture

The Electro-Plated or Vapor-Deposition Age.

 

palmereldritch's picture

"Why Washington, my boy, these things are nothing. They look large of course--they look large to a novice, but to a man who has been all his life accustomed to large operations--shaw! They're well enough to while away an idle hour with, or furnish a bit of employment that will give a trifle of idle capital a chance to earn its bread while it is waiting for something to do, but--now just listen a moment--just let me give you an idea of what we old veterans of commerce call 'business.' Here's the Rothschild's proposition--this is between you and me, you understand----"

Washington nodded three or four times impatiently, and his glowing eyes said, "Yes, yes--hurry--I understand----"

----"for I wouldn't have it get out for a fortune. They want me to go in with them on the sly--agent was here two weeks ago about it--go in on the sly" [voice down to an impressive whisper, now,] "and buy up a hundred and thirteen wild cat banks in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri--notes of these banks are at all sorts of discount now--average discount of the hundred and thirteen is forty-four per cent--buy them all up, you see, and then all of a sudden let the cat out of the bag! Whiz! the stock of every one of those wildcats would spin up to a tremendous premium before you could turn a handspring--profit on the speculation not a dollar less than forty millions!" [An eloquent pause, while the marvelous vision settled into W.'s focus.] "Where's your hogs now? Why my dear innocent boy, we would just sit down on the front door-steps and peddle banks like lucifer matches!"

Mark Twain - The Gilded Age
http://mark-twain.classic-literature.co.uk/the-gilded-age/ebook-page-27.asp

Yen Cross's picture

 Mark Twain proceded washington by 2 centuries. Mark Twain

 a wonderful person. He lived almost 2 centuries later.(proceded) Washington. numb skulls/  yer learning history and don't even know it!

  My family drove the man around! uck off you so called scholars! I have (literal proof)  You fucking idiots.

falak pema's picture

drunk on yen dunk and cross eyed at pound's despairs? 

You need to get your suspenders tightened and their hooks unmeshed from your nether short hairs, ouch! 

I know it hurts but thats the price you pay to tell smut from clean stuff and controlled flow from an agitated pepsi cannister spurt. 

You may proceed to be preceded by all those sober. 

GMadScientist's picture

More succinctly: "Tyin' on a cable, Yen?"

cabtrom's picture

Good riddens, may they burn in hell!

Yen Cross's picture

 May you catch a musket ball in the cranium! Hey dik wad? What's the problem? Why would you want to go native?

 

Yen Cross's picture

 Fucking Brittish. Downgraded and all. I've never seen more scally wags reverse their votes.  The Brittish are suffering. I said the Sterling has found a bottom. Be well Limeys

 Cable will close the gap 1.5182/ stops get hit. Offers 10 pips above get chewed. Real bids 1.5400 area. too the moon 1.52660, and some exporter stops to run. Are you listening orly?

  I'm not looking for friends.

Yen Cross's picture

 I see some brillant minds that couldn't find their way out of a one legged ass kicking contest, Tall hat no cattle talk.

  I drank pepsi just to fuck with you. No shit I took the pictures to prove it

DER ha. I give up on you ! I'll pop in occasionally.  Have fun with your endless diatriabe. You people are all talk and no action?

Yen Cross's picture

 Let me make something perfectly clear. You people talk a big game!  A very small percentage of you know your ass ends from a hole in the barn! Some of you I really respect. Some of you are smart and diluted! I don't mean to put anyone down.

  I'm far from perfect, but I do my due dilligence, or ask the idiot question! For fucks sake! AKAK - Knuckles and some others will answer your Q/A if you aren't a retrad when you ask it! 

                                                                          Just show some respect!

 

          

devo's picture

Ayn Rand can blow me.

GMadScientist's picture

What happens in Happy Valley stays in Happy Valley. <shudder>

EmileLargo's picture

This is the most amazing documentary series that I have seen on History Channel yet. You don't have to agree with it (whatever your point of view). You just have to enjoy it. It is very well made.

albanian's picture

I'm not an amerikan,but all of you hu do not like Ayn Rand,do not anderstand her!!!!!

Amerika doesn't have KAPITALISM !!!!

No fucking  country has it!!!!

It is only bad inerpretishon of Kapitalism!!!!

Sorry for my bad english

 

albanian's picture

I'm not an amerikan,but all of you hu do not like Ayn Rand,do not anderstand her!!!!!

Amerika doesn't have KAPITALISM !!!!

No fucking  country has it!!!!

It is only bad inerpretishon of Kapitalism!!!!

Sorry for my bad english

 

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

The Goldilocks era of American history:  Cheap/free (other people's) land and resources, cheap and domestic energy, ample and cheap labor, child labor, slave labor.  No environmentalism of any kind, no health care or pension costs.  Taxes, IRS, USCIS, CIA, NSA, DOD, HUD?  LOL, ROTF LMAO.  No monster military budgets to siphon taxes, no foreign entanglements or wars.  The era of robber barons, no rules no regulations, few if any constraints.  This is like a plant in fertile ground with barriers far, far away.  Growth is inevitable.

Carnegie's moral virtue of a wealth builder was pitted against a 'wealth extractor' in the form of D. Rockefeller.  Not unlike that of a banker:  positioning, leveraging and extracting wealth.  A complex business model was up against a simple business model:  building vs. extracting.  Part of Rockefeller's genius was not to recognize the value of energy, but of "liquid energy": oil and its derivatives.  Unlike HW products which are solid and used one time (steel to make a building), petroleum transports more 'fluid' and is an endless consumable.  This business model has stood until today.  Just look at the Fortune10, 20 or 50.  See any steel companies in there?

It is said that a note was found in his desk after his death that said:  "I will amass a great wealth in the first half of my life, and give it away in the second half of my life."  Don't see that in this movie.

The Johnstown telegraph warning is reminiscent of today's' warnings on the sovereign debts.

Am surprised at the linear thinking of the striking steel workers.  They could have held the plant itself as a hostage to frikkin Frick.  Up the ante and up their leverage, so to speak.  Carnegie was a simpleton by today's standards, but then so was everyone.  Except for JDR perhaps.

 

 

 

q99x2's picture

Those were the days. Didn't need Fraud to steal everyone else's wealth back then. A good psychopathic amoral attitude and a bundle of ancestral savings backed by gold to buy politicians worked just fine. Except for the one bankster that had to be whacked. And a few other things like WW( and WWII, but I guess you could say those were collateral damage.

Now the psychopaths have to take over the United States of America instead of primitive peoples and that isn't going to go over without a serious unintended consequence of extinction level proportions. They are still no good dirty stinking bankster rat bastard M'Fers. This time the technology iw thousands of times more deadly and the way things can go wrong is a thousand times more complex.

Dude we are doomed as a species thanks to assholes like them.