Ron Paul: "When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…"

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From Ron Paul

When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…

While I oppose most gun control proposals, there is one group of Americans I do believe should be disarmed: federal agents. The use of force by federal agents to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws is one of the major, albeit overlooked, threats to liberty. Too often Americans are victimized by government force simply for engaging in commercial transactions disproved of by Congress and the federal bureaucracy.

For example, the offices of Rawesome Foods in Venice, California, have been repeatedly raided by armed federal and state agents, and Rawesome’s founder, 65-year old James Stewart, has been imprisoned. What heinous crime justified this action? Rawesome sold unpasteurized (raw) milk and cheese to willing customers – in a state where raw milk is legal! You cannot even drink milk from a cow without a federal permit!

This is hardly the only case of federal agents using force against those who would dare meet consumer demand for raw milk. In 2011 armed agents of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raided the business of Pennsylvanian Amish farmer Dan Allgyer. Federal agents wasted a whole year and who knows how many millions of our tax dollars posing as customers in order to stop Allgyer from selling his raw milk to willing customers.

The use of force against individuals making choices not approved of by the political elite does not just stop with raw milk. The Natural News website has documented numerous accounts of federal persecution, including armed raids, of health food stores and alternative medical practitioners.

Federal bureaucrats are also using force to crack down on the makers of gold coins for fear that people may use these coins as an alternative to the Federal Reserve’s fiat currency. Bernard von NotHaus, the founder of Liberty Dollars, is currently awaiting sentencing on federal counterfeiting charges — even though Mr. von NotHaus took steps to ensure his coins where not used as “legal tender.”

Yet, the federal government was so concerned over the possibility that Mr. von NotHaus’s customers might use his coins in regular day-to-day commerce they actually labeled Mr. von NotHaus a “terrorist.”

These type of police state tactics used against, among others, raw milk producers, alternative health providers, and gold coin dealers is justified by the paternalistic attitude common in Washington, D.C. A member of Congress actually once told me that, “The people need these types of laws because they do not know what is good for them.” This mindset fuels the growth of the nanny state and inevitably leads to what C.S. Lewis said may be the worst from of tyranny “…a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims.”

All Americans, even if they do not believe it is a wise choice to drink raw milk or use gold coins, should be concerned about the use of force to limit our choices. This is because there is no limiting principle to the idea that the government force is justified if used “for our own good.” Today it is those who sell raw milk who are being victimized by government force, tomorrow it could be those who sell soda pop or Styrofoam cups. Therefore, all Americans should speak out against these injustices.

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rehypothecator's picture

Meanwhile, Jon Corzine steals $1.6 billion dollars of (allegedly) sacrosanct customer segregated funds, and remains a free man today.  Just in case you needed any assistance understanding where the priorities of the federal government lie.   

Raymond K Hessel's picture

They're already coming for our soft drinks.

I'm getting so impatient for martial law to be enacted.  Wait, didn't that just happen too?

FEDbuster's picture

Bloomberg is now going to ban delivery of 2 liter soda bottles with pizzas.  Why does anyone still live in NYC?

dwdollar's picture

Well... at least we still have flavor enhancer synthetic compounds courtesy of cells cloned from an aborted human fetus.

HoofHearted's picture

Ron Paul can be my president. You can keep the hope and change.

SafelyGraze's picture

there are still some grocery stores that legally sell Raw Meat.

for crying out loud. that stuff can be tainted.

likewise raw eggs.

don't get me started about the raw vegetables.

TruthInSunshine's picture

Bloomberg just recently had his legal department draft and send a memo to the ObaMao Administration and U.S. Attorney General Eric Placeholder at the DOJ regarding the legality of drone strikes upon New York City Citizens who attempt to circumvent the 32 ounce maximum limit on soda size by purchasing multiple 32 ounce sodas.

Xibalba's picture

Stop and Frisk!  




College Student:  no sir, it's just a lil whiskey sour.

COPS: Oh, ok.  BEAT IT!! 

Manthong's picture

Well if anyone wants to know where the spirit of Mussolini has settled, I can point them to a certain city that’s the rotten core of a certain despotic state.

GetZeeGold's picture
                      Vote up!

Vote down!


Meanwhile, Jon Corzine steals $1.6 billion dollars of (allegedly) sacrosanct customer segregated funds, and remains a free man today.


No matter what you say,.....there's always that one guy. that you?

HobbyFarmer's picture

I milk a Guernsey cow every day.  She produces enough wholesome milk to raise a massive beef calf and share about ½ gallon to 1 gallon for my family a day.  We drink the milk raw and make nearly 15 different milk products from this milk: butter, sour cream, ice cream, yogurt, etc.  It’s real food and really delicious.

Prior to switching over, 2 of my 3 sons had asthma and Excema.  I don’t remember the last asthma outbreak in my boys.  The Excema has improved dramatically, too.  We don’t need the inhalers or creams like we used to have prescribed to us.

I realize this experience is likely an outlier: but I am experiencing it first hand.  I suggest that real food, raised in sanitary conditions, would cure many of the ills that modern Americans suffer today. 

It’s illegal for me to sell raw milk in the state I currently live in.  So, I don’t, despite having many good friends and neighbors ask about it.  It would be a very helpful income, selling her milk, and would easily surpass her costs....but, I have no desire for armed agents descending upon my little farm.  So, instead of selling her excess milk, we use it.  Once my family takes the cream (the next morning), excess milk is fed to the chickens and will soon go to the two hogs we’ll be raising for bacon.  Raw milk is also a fantastic fertilizer that helps adds nutrients, minerals and probiotics into the ground.

Our milk cow is the heart of my hobby farm and a massive step toward food independence. 

Raising your own real food requires work, but from my perspective, it’s worth every ounce of sweat I’ve had to put into it.  I started down this path because of a lifelong dream and was finally moved to action because of documentaries including Food Inc.  Watch at your own risk....

DanDaley's picture

If raw milk is banned, only criminals and bureaucrats (but I repeat myself) will have raw milk.

myptofvu's picture

A Canadian researcher accidentally discovered that feeding lab mice a protien powder made from raw milk arrested cancer in the mice. This was initially bad news because he was purposely giving the mice cancer for a different study. He realized that it was the powder that was curing them and deciced to start studying that. After about a year and a half of successes it suddenly stopped working. Took him two years and another accident to realize why. The powder he was receiveing started being homoginized causing the powder to become uneffective. Once he went back to a raw milk process the benefits returned. 

Wish I could remember his name I would share it with you, its really an interesting story and I didn't do it justice paraphrasing it. He went on to find a multitude of benefits stemming from this concentrated raw milk process. Basically he found that raw milk protien is a precursor for Glutathion which is a powerful immune system booster.

Big Corked Boots's picture

Immediately provide your GPS coordinates to the Department of Homeland Security. They will need to drone your terrist cow. If you happen to be milking her when they strike, don't worry... the UN will be by later in the day to take out the rest of your family.

HobbyFarmer's picture

LOL.  Unfortunately, the US practices the illegal (per Geneva Convention) double taps with drones.  Ten minutes after the first strike, they send in a second to take out first responders.  I'm sure if I wasn't milking her during the initial strike, I'd be wiped out during the second one while trying to clean up the mess.

Terrorist cow and crazy farmer eliminated.  Mission Accomplished.  No need for the UN to stop by.....

DaveyJones's picture

"raising your own real food requires work"

you mean it's not like modern finance?

this economy can't grow without growth hormones

and ironically, now that it's not,

all we hear is govt whore moans

TruthHunter's picture


Ironically, Raw milk could  be produced with

a lower bacteria count than pasteurized by simply

pumping it through silver screens while cooling.


With grass fed cows and small herd size, this

isn't even necessary.

nmewn's picture

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people, those who work to further the actual goals of the organization and those who work for the organization itself.

Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children vs. union representative who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.

Dollar Bill Hiccup's picture

That's interesting. Pournelle warrants a look.

tarsubil's picture

What a simple way of organizing and explaning what is seen over and over again within state organizations. Thanks.

OldE_Ant's picture

I want to add some observations.  The incompetent who rise to power then tend to be 'terrified' of everyone and anyone.  Why because it is quite easy to spot and challenge an incompetent 'leader'.  Hence these 'incompetents' then resort to all manner of totalitarian dictatorship type control/manipulation strategies to silence, demean, and outright get rid of anyone who has the audacity to 'challenge' them in "ANY WAY".  Which means as long as the people en-masse don't stand up to 'anything' our 'terrified' leaders will not just continue but will accellerate their efforts.  (Just as a disease in the body would do).

Interesting info on raw milk in relation to disease.  I've maintained for decades now our toxic environment and toxic foods (as well as toxic social, political and economic structures) would lead to various forms of bizzare personal and societal diseases that would grow worse over time.  GMO is the latest greatest threat.  I also maintained as we moved back to healthy whole foods (and healthy societal, political, economic models) we would see amazing positive effects.  Which may be personally as well as societally instructive observation.

As to Ron Paul.  While I am sympathetic to his message, his withdrawl from the presidential race was an insult to everyone who supported him especially given his message is a form of hypocracy (why step up if your not going to follow through).   It likely illustrates one thing.  Given a choice of fighting the powerful entrenched forces of 'evil/destruction' and losing ones life and/or facing the loss of family - exactly what would you choose?

Which is exactly WHY we are getting no-where.  No one person can take on the 'evil empire'.  Its either all of us or none of us.  Right now its basically 'none of us'.   Those brave individuals who do perhaps have found peace with some number of their loved ones 6 feet under.  The other basic problem is that there is no real plan for how to 'gut' or cut off the blood flow to the evil cancer taking over the body of society.

I keep coming back to a Edmund Burke quote,

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

ebworthen's picture

I suppose two 16 oz. sodas won't set off the drone IR scan?

And what, now NYC is going to use paper cups and cut down more trees (no styrofoam)?

Does this mean I can have those cool square paper Chinese food containers with the metal handle back?

How about milk in glass quart jars that we recycle?  Oh no, someone might get cut I suppose.

Talk about a downward trajectory of stupidity, lunacy, and tyrannical megalomaniacs.

new game's picture

the time has come>libtards vs freedom.

doj (source:nra) memo clear as your vision of future...

all else a distraction.

line is in sand

come and get your cannon (tx circa 1840 ish) :)

first shot to be fired soon...

jeff montanye's picture

it's not libtards vs. freedom.  it's authoritarians of left and right and wherever against libertarians of all stripes (whether they know it or not).  both parties and the unpartisan include both mindsets.

XitSam's picture

Liberty needs some rats on the inside, willingly or coerced, to know when raw milk raids, gun confiscation, etc is going to happen and where. Concord's North Bridge, Part II.

SelfGov's picture

The most retarded thing one can do is try to intelligably use the word, "libtard," in a sentence.



new game's picture

i will chose my words more carefully-noted...

fascists vs freedom


BandGap's picture

Might be even rawer than you think.

This shit is approved by the government. Whatever you do avoid McNugguts and any fish from China or Viet Nam.


johnnymustardseed's picture

Raw milk will kill you! Ron Paul should know that. Drink away! I survived brucellosis a disease caused by raw milk and can tell you it was very serious.  I ended up in intensive care. I didn't intentionally drink raw milk , I had the misfortune on getting some milk product that was not properly pastuerized. So if you think it a great idea, I suggest a game of russian roulette too

XitSam's picture

You're missing the point.  Free people should have the choice to drink or not drink raw milk.  Many people drink raw milk with no bad effects. That you believe raw milk caused you health problems, is not enough reason for the government to use guns to prevent me from drinking what I want.  Some people have extreme problems with gluten, should we ban bread?  Thirty thousand people a year die in car accidents, should we ban cars? 

johnnymustardseed's picture

You don't understand bacteria.  People should not die because some asshole thinks it is alright to sell contaminated food. If you want no protection of food stuffs, move to Africa and enjoy your dysentery Using your rational let's get rid of all laws then and see where we end up. Fuck speed limits, they infringe on my rights, I want to drive on the otherside of the road, does that work for you too?

XitSam's picture

Sadly, you're confused. Stop trying to say what you think I want and then use that to attack me. I don't want the government saying what I am allowed to put in my body.  That logically (and need I say, obviously) leaves open the private sector for whatever standards orginizations people desire. 

Your driving/roads example really isn't applicable to the current situation, but is just as easily defeated.

johnnymustardseed's picture

Sadly you don't get it.....


6 Raw Milk Outbreaks in 2012 – 152 Sickened, some seriously

Campylobacter, E. coli and Cryptosporidium.

It has been a bad few months for raw milk hucksters and even worse for their customers.

  • January to April – Campylobacter in raw milk from Organic Pastures in California – 10 Ill.
  • March to April – E. coli in raw milk from Stroupe Farm in Missouri – 14 Ill including 1 with HUS.
  • March – Campylobacter in raw milk from Claravale Farm in California – 9 Ill.
  • January to February – Campylobacter in raw milk from Family Cow Dairy in Pennsylvania – 80 Ill.
  • January – Campylobacter in raw goat milk from unnamed dairy in Kansas – 18 Ill.

Raw Dairy Outbreaks and Recalls from 1998 to the present:

119 total outbreaks

86 fluid milk: 18 cow, 4 goat, 64 unspecified milk type

27 cheese: 2 aged, 3 homemade, 17 Mexican-style queso fresco, 1 goat chevre, 1 curds, 3 unspecified

6 multiple raw dairy products (fluid milk, cheese, and/or colostrum)

2,147 total illnesses, 2 deaths

1,514 fluid milk-related illnesses, no deaths: 249 cow, 63 goat, 1,202 unspecified

576 cheese-related illnesses: 46 aged, 80 homemade, 324 Mexican-style queso fresco (2 deaths), 5 goat chevre, 63 curds, 58 unspecified cheese type

57 multiple raw dairy products-related illnesses (fluid milk, cheese, and/or colostrum)

XitSam's picture

Wow, seems like a lot of work for missing the point. Now listen carefully oh ye of little intelligence.  Government is not my daddy, it is not my big brother, it should not be telling me with threats of violence what I can consume. Got it? Now go away.

DaveyJones's picture

the "funny" thing about any animal food product is that disease outbreak is more a function of modern "unnatural" crowding techniques than any other. Next danger comes from all the additional things we do to animals, the opposite of leaving them alone to their natural state. Cows should not eat corn or soy, they're meant to eat grass. Finally, like plants, probably worse, god knows what the effcts will be of modifiying their genetic structure  

tarsubil's picture

"I got brucellosis after drinking raw milk thus raw milk causes brucellosis!" Brucellosis is caused by a bacterium. It is pretty obvious that the previous poster's cow is not infected and thus having a single beloved cow free of infection is not a risk. If you get milk that is pooled from 100 cows some of which are going to keel over in the next week (that is from the grocery store), yes, by all means make sure it is pasturized. Just like if you are going to drink water from a muddy puddle, you should probably filter it. But raw milk does not cause brucellosis anymore than unfiltered water causes giardiasis.

johnnymustardseed's picture

Maybe his cow does not have brucellosis but it comes from cows. His cow for sure has E coli and when it shits and then lays down in it, the udders are contaminated. So any given sample of milk from that cow could kill you or not. You don't understand bacteria either!

akak's picture

I think tarsubil understands the concepts of freedom, and balancing risks with rewards, far better than you understand either.

DaveyJones's picture 

it does come from cows (and other animals) but even the medical community sees that it is the direct result of modern crowded unhealthy conditions. And those conditions were created and worsened by the very people who lobby "for your health" (and their profit). Hence, keeping one cow in a natural grass setting is ironically, probably one of the the best preventions. Just the math tells me she is less likely to lie in her own shit. In the middle of California on a ranch of 100,000 where you threaten anyone who hosts Michael Pollan however...

tarsubil's picture

You have E. coli in your gut. It helps provide you with vit K. You are incorrect when you assume that since you are talking out of your rear, everyone else is too.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Please tell us where you contacted Brucella. I have isolated it a few times and EVERY time was from Mexico. I have never heard of a recent case in USA. The government requires Brucella vaccination. When the USDA inspected my husbands dairy in the late 70s they didn't have the paperwork on one cow. They tested the cow and found she had the antibody to Brucella. Because there was no way to determine that was from the vaccination or having an active infection, she was destroyed. With virtually no recompense as well As I remember. I understand your fear. As a microbiologist Brucella and Franciscella are the 2 bugs we truly fear. When isolated in the lab they are HIGHLY contagious and possibly deadly. Just read on Drudge about hunters getting "rabbit fever" . What they don't say is there is probably a few microbiologists who are afraid they may die. Yes, life in general is just damn scary!


TeMpTeK's picture

Sorry... A RP presidency is Great for the country but Real really really bad for my primary investments....


CompassionateFascist's picture

Several million of the Chosen live there. They like this sort of thing. Especially when it is administered by one of their own. They are quite certain they know better than the rest of us.

otto skorzeny's picture

The Chosen are becoming emboldened and stepping out of the shadows and onto the public stage- it is becoming a more overt takeover.

CompassionateFascist's picture

Yes, this is the case. KMac (Culture of Critique author, @ thinks it shows how confidant they are now. I believe it to be more a sign of the sudden gun-grab. Once the Ponzi collapses, the Chosen know they will no longer be able buy consent - and shabbatz goyim - with debt.

22winmag's picture

If and when the bullets start flying, the "chosen" will pray for the shelter of the shadows again.

robobbob's picture

ashkanazi vs shepherdic. kabbala vs conservative. be very very careful. the aspiring global puppet masters have intentionally wrapped themselves in the labels of completely innocent people. as the trains were loaded with those conspiring bakers, insidious tailors, tyrannical shoe makers, and evil mastermind children, the financiers who made it possible were laughing all the way to the bank.

amazing how I don't recall any banker types at nuremberg. the shell game worked before. count on them using it again.