Ron Paul: "When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…"

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From Ron Paul

When They Came For The Raw Milk Drinkers…

While I oppose most gun control proposals, there is one group of Americans I do believe should be disarmed: federal agents. The use of force by federal agents to enforce unjust and unconstitutional laws is one of the major, albeit overlooked, threats to liberty. Too often Americans are victimized by government force simply for engaging in commercial transactions disproved of by Congress and the federal bureaucracy.

For example, the offices of Rawesome Foods in Venice, California, have been repeatedly raided by armed federal and state agents, and Rawesome’s founder, 65-year old James Stewart, has been imprisoned. What heinous crime justified this action? Rawesome sold unpasteurized (raw) milk and cheese to willing customers – in a state where raw milk is legal! You cannot even drink milk from a cow without a federal permit!

This is hardly the only case of federal agents using force against those who would dare meet consumer demand for raw milk. In 2011 armed agents of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) raided the business of Pennsylvanian Amish farmer Dan Allgyer. Federal agents wasted a whole year and who knows how many millions of our tax dollars posing as customers in order to stop Allgyer from selling his raw milk to willing customers.

The use of force against individuals making choices not approved of by the political elite does not just stop with raw milk. The Natural News website has documented numerous accounts of federal persecution, including armed raids, of health food stores and alternative medical practitioners.

Federal bureaucrats are also using force to crack down on the makers of gold coins for fear that people may use these coins as an alternative to the Federal Reserve’s fiat currency. Bernard von NotHaus, the founder of Liberty Dollars, is currently awaiting sentencing on federal counterfeiting charges — even though Mr. von NotHaus took steps to ensure his coins where not used as “legal tender.”

Yet, the federal government was so concerned over the possibility that Mr. von NotHaus’s customers might use his coins in regular day-to-day commerce they actually labeled Mr. von NotHaus a “terrorist.”

These type of police state tactics used against, among others, raw milk producers, alternative health providers, and gold coin dealers is justified by the paternalistic attitude common in Washington, D.C. A member of Congress actually once told me that, “The people need these types of laws because they do not know what is good for them.” This mindset fuels the growth of the nanny state and inevitably leads to what C.S. Lewis said may be the worst from of tyranny “…a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims.”

All Americans, even if they do not believe it is a wise choice to drink raw milk or use gold coins, should be concerned about the use of force to limit our choices. This is because there is no limiting principle to the idea that the government force is justified if used “for our own good.” Today it is those who sell raw milk who are being victimized by government force, tomorrow it could be those who sell soda pop or Styrofoam cups. Therefore, all Americans should speak out against these injustices.

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Raymond Reason's picture

Jewish people are for the most part guilty of supporting and benefiting from their psychopathic masters.  Unfortunately gentile americans have been grafted into the jewish vine and are for the most part guilty of the same the world's eyes.  

TeMpTeK's picture

Since 2 Liter Soda Prohibition has been enacted in NY The Bonanos currently have the 2 liter pepsi market locked up... The bloods and crips are battling over Coke and Sprite.The FDA is changing its name to included this new form of contraband.. the Food, Cola and Drug adminsitration FCDA

oleander garch's picture

Why would any libertarian complain about Bloomberg?  He is a real life John Galt.  He knows what is best for him (and you).  His money proves his moral superiority to you and your views.  That is timocracy.  So there you go.

22winmag's picture

Real Martial Law isn't something that is enacted or declared by a civilian government. True Martial Law is something that is declared *by the military* when the civilian government and civilian law enforcement has become absent, ineffective, or overrun with villanous scum.


What you are picturing is some Frankenstein version of Martial Law that is somehow "enacted" by a civilian government that is still fully in control (such as hogwash NDAA and so forth). Real Martial Law (meaning declared by the military) would be a welcome change. It's certainly called for, so the the traitors in the civilian government can be purged and punished appropriately.

Dealyer Turdin's picture

Yeah, enforcement and implementation farmed out to Haliburton and Blackwater.  There's Agent Orange in your Koolaid, son.

22winmag's picture

That would be even more justification for the military to bring about real martial law. Mercenaries are expensive to maintain and they make easy targets when there is a rifle behind every blade of grass. Mercs don't stand a chance against the U.S. military, whether it's the ones in uniform or insurgent partiots.

jeff montanye's picture

partiots i like.  it cuts so many ways.

Cloud9.5's picture

I notice since the Marines were forced to take the bolts out of their rifles in order to be able to march in the presence of the President, the Navy add touts that the Navy will defend and uphold the Constitution.  Wonder if Obama just turned the Navy into a bunch of Oath Keepers?

Bicycle Repairman's picture

Haliburton and Blackwater are paid soldiers.  They have insufficent numbers and their presence would not be tolerated.  I expect that they would be running for the border after a bit.

new game's picture

PMR30, when 30 is enough...

Zosynspiracy's picture

LOL...........look at John Mcshitstain!  That clown is exactly what's wrong with America.  Why do bumblefuck Arizonans keep voting him into the Senate?  I mean he basically took a big fat crap on hard working middle class Americans at his last town hall meeting.  With a smile and a smirk and his goiter of a cheek and midget arms he basically said some 40+ year illegal is more important than natural born citizens. 

I don't know about his old rich ass but I grew up in a middle class family and we cut our own goddamn grass, watched our own kids, I think we as Americans can damn well pick our own fucking fruit. 

These politicians can basically sit there and tell us point blank they don't give a fuck about us and we just sit there like lemming asking where's the wall???????? LOL...Americans are some of the stupidest, most uninformed people on Earth.......and the rest of the world wants to fucking emulate us?  Jesus H. Christ!  WTF is wrong with them?

ebworthen's picture

+10 rant.

I too, cannot believe the Republicrats talking about getting soft on immigration.  DUH!

Oh yeah, get soft on immigration, bail out more corporations, give more handouts, raise taxes, and don't cut spending on wasteful governemnt programs.  Then we'll have reasons to vote for you instead of Democrats who have the same damn platform! (???).

Big Ag. and the Churches are behind the Republicrats and the Demicans wanting the illegals to flood across the borders.  Cheap labor in the fields, pliant/obedient bodies in the pews filling the coffers.

new game's picture


PrinceDraxx's picture

When do you wake up and realize the two parties are the same. They are simply opposite sides of the same coin. The only way to fix the problem is to get rid of all of them.


ebworthen's picture

I know that, which is what makes it so comical that they appeal to "voters" with the same platform, and these "voters" keep voting.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

McCain was part of the Keating 5.  Was that when he got "pwned"?

FEDbuster's picture

McCain's re-election, funded by his beer distribution queen, wife, cost him $26 million to keep his senate seat.   The attack ads he had to run against his tea party backed opponent were constant.  He bought the senior votes with "I won't cut your social security and medicare benefits like my opponent will" ads.   That's why McCain is still there.

He is always talking amnesty for illegals, because he wants their votes, too. 

Bicycle Repairman's picture

He bought the senior votes with "I won't cut your social security and medicare benefits like my opponent will" ads.

McCain will sell anyone down the rat hole, except his masters.

Race Car Driver's picture

> Why do bumblefuck Arizonans keep voting him into the Senate?


I junked ya for thinkin' that voting 'counts'. LOL ... voting.

Dexter Morgan's picture

And McShitstain led the charge against Party Poker.  I live in AZ and I say to hell with that bastard.

TeMpTeK's picture

Hmmm. One downvote on the 1st comment.. Its official.....That Fucker Corzine reads ZeroHedge ... 

RickC's picture

Too bad Corzine didn't steal gold coins.  Then we would have had him.

johnnymustardseed's picture


6 Raw Milk Outbreaks in 2012 – 152 Sickened, some seriously

Campylobacter, E. coli and Cryptosporidium.

It has been a bad few months for raw milk hucksters and even worse for their customers.

  • January to April – Campylobacter in raw milk from Organic Pastures in California – 10 Ill.
  • March to April – E. coli in raw milk from Stroupe Farm in Missouri – 14 Ill including 1 with HUS.
  • March – Campylobacter in raw milk from Claravale Farm in California – 9 Ill.
  • January to February – Campylobacter in raw milk from Family Cow Dairy in Pennsylvania – 80 Ill.
  • January – Campylobacter in raw goat milk from unnamed dairy in Kansas – 18 Ill.

Raw Dairy Outbreaks and Recalls from 1998 to the present:

119 total outbreaks

86 fluid milk: 18 cow, 4 goat, 64 unspecified milk type

27 cheese: 2 aged, 3 homemade, 17 Mexican-style queso fresco, 1 goat chevre, 1 curds, 3 unspecified

6 multiple raw dairy products (fluid milk, cheese, and/or colostrum)

2,147 total illnesses, 2 deaths

1,514 fluid milk-related illnesses, no deaths: 249 cow, 63 goat, 1,202 unspecified

576 cheese-related illnesses: 46 aged, 80 homemade, 324 Mexican-style queso fresco (2 deaths), 5 goat chevre, 63 curds, 58 unspecified cheese type

57 multiple raw dairy products-related illnesses (fluid milk, cheese, and/or colostrum)

akak's picture

I think she was trying to tell us that she just had her period.

SillySalesmanQuestion's picture


I may be a dirty hoe Akak, but I am He, not she:)

SillySalesmanQuestion's picture

Makes you think about what is in the milk that they want us to drink...?

Marcuz Aurelius's picture

Lithium amongst others and kerocorzine

Conax's picture

They want to add aspartame to 'flavored milk' to fight childhood obesity.  It's for the children. They don't want to list it on the label, and need a new fda rule.  Aspartame is an excito-toxin in humans, originally developed as a new ant poison.  The FDA document shows they want it in whipped cream, evaporated milk, chocolate milk, nearly all milk products.


akak's picture

I have noticed for at least the last ten years that that fucking shit aspartame (which gives me, like so many others, near-migraine-level pounding headaches) is being pushed into more and more food products, ALL of which I categorically, and must, refuse to buy or consume.  I swear, at least 90% of the "food" in the grocery store is instantly off my shopping radar, as I am increasingly pushed into buying basic ingredients only by my refusal to purchase or consume foods laden with aspartame, other artificial sweeteners, HFCS, hydrogenated and partially-hydrogenated oils, fucking ridiculously excessive levels of salt and sugar, and products made with refined white flour instead of whole grains.

StychoKiller's picture

Time to go vegetarian -- yay or neigh?

highly illogical's picture

Yeah, if you can even find any non-GMO vegetables

Lore's picture



Food is an ancient delivery system for bioweapons. 

Sweetener compared to biochemical warfare agent 

I find "Sucralose" in all kinds of things lately. The candy counter is LOADED with shit. Wonder what happens to children. 

My "hay fever" went away after I laid off the chemical cheese powder on nacho-type chips and similar junk snacks.  Pass it along, and maybe save somebody else a fortune in over-the-counter and prescription "allergy" products.  EAT REAL FOOD AND YOU FEEL BETTER.

Some low level psychopaths seem to understand and use it to their advantage. I see a pattern among caregivers who resent the responsiblity of looking after a spouse that they don't love. They single out the worst junk chemical garbage and feed them a steady diet of it until something happens that gets the victim hospitalized. Once there, practical euthanasia is just a few needles and pill cups away. SLOW MURDER. 

My grandparents talked about the wonderful taste of whole fresh milk.

Zosynspiracy's picture

You can't even go to a fucking gas station anymore and buy a piece of gum with plain fucking sugar?????????  Everything has fucking sucralose this aspartame that.  EVERYTHING! 

Race Car Driver's picture

Makes no sense to think that there are healthy things to eat at gas stations in the first place.

groundedkiwi's picture

The FDA even did book burning for the sugar companies over this natural sugar . Stevia is an interesting topic to Google regarding the FDA.

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

You can also grow your own stevia, and it's not even illegal (yet) to do so in the US.

BTW, I've found that the seeds are somewhat finicky to get to germinate. Fortunately live plants can be ordered.

john39's picture

More correct than would would ever believe. If big gov uses violent force to stop you from getting something seemingly innocuous, you can rest assured that there is something about the forbidden item that someone at the top does not want the masses to have/know. With raw milk, it's the tremendous health benefits... (but the gov wants healthy citizens, right?)

Spastica Rex's picture

Louis Pasteur was FRENCH!

But yeah - I agree.

akak's picture

That's why he surrendered to bacteria.

DaveyJones's picture

but I hear the little bastards can be worse than nazis

then again, are there bad nazis and good nazis?  

Raymond Reason's picture

The medical industry looks more and more like a concerted effort to produce illness.  There is a small (and growing) group of connected md doctors who sincerely want to help people, using Ecclesiastic Medical Counselor licensing for legal shelter.  

Zosynspiracy's picture

Please if doctors REALLY wanted to help people they wouldn't even go into fucking medicine in the first place.  Nutrition doesn't take 10+ years of medical education to figure out.  My grandmother from Poland knew more about nutrition, eating, and food than a room full of doctors with Phd's in biochemistry.  Atleast from a practical sense. 


Raymond Reason's picture

+1 Over there they call it 'babushka' (grandmother) medicine.  I used it to cure my daughters stomach problems.  She was recomended for stomach surgery by the US system. 

DaveyJones's picture

Dr. Max Gerson

Seen as a heretic

Now held up by a world's nutrition expert: Colin Campbell (China Study)

And all Gerson did was fuse his european grandmother's wisdom and nature with medicine

Hippocrates agreed but modern medicine removed his license

Lost My Shorts's picture

Your tinfoil hat is interfering with your brain waves.  OK, had to be said.

Raw milk has a long history of spreading listeria, brucellosis, and who knows what else.  It's great for thinning the herd, especially the oldsters, since listeria is much more lethal to the elderly.  Put raw milk in every supermarket, and all the problems of medicare and social security vanish !!  Include raw milk in free school lunches, and the dream act will become much less controversial, since many fewer will survive.  It's not a coincidence that human populations really took off after Pasteur and his commie marxtard martial law stalinist doctrine of pasteurization.

Problem is, all of these freedom-loving raw-milk drinkers will eventually show up at the hospital requring treatment for listeria, brucellosis, etc, and won't have the money to pay for it, and they will expect the taxpayer to cover it.  That makes it the taxpayer's business.  So many libertarians are into moral hazard -- let me take my own risks !! But you pay for the downside.

new game's picture

you miss the obvios point - choice.

using too much toilet paper-the shit police are watching

thinking too much-eat the food and take your meds

appears to be more than just profit

and then check into the medical sanitorium

now you are in our complete control

we made you sick and im here to help you die, but first i must bankrupt you-your last dime b/4 you die.

long shovels and pine boxes. long planned death via fasism...

Lost My Shorts's picture

You miss the obvious point -- if you make choices that impose a burden on the taxpayer, the taxpayer has a right to intervene and limit your choices.

It would be fine if raw milk drinkers had the dignity to quietly suffer and/or die at home when they contract listeria, brucellosis, etc.  But they don't.