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What Italians Are Saying About The Election In Real-Time

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For those who want to get a sense of who the leading candidate in Italy is, at least based on concurrent mentions on Twitter, here is an application that tracks candidate references in real-time. Needless to say, Grillo and Berlusconi are head and shoulders above the rest.

And while yesterday we provided a tactical ten-step summary of what to expect today and tomorrow, below, courtesy of Open Europe, is the comprehensive recap of all the strategic issues that rest on the outcome of today's election.

 

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Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:30 | 3271402 Aziz
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Grillo to grill the banksters!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:57 | 3271449 MrX
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smoking doobies makes me not care about Europe.

see here: http://vimeo.com/43832369

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:00 | 3271462 ACP
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Will we see the return of Bunga-Bunga?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQtL5FYvgVg

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:38 | 3271564 Middle_Finger_Market
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The only reason Berlusconi is so popular on twitter is because every is joking about the man. So you've got a joker and a comedian and a technocrat...sounds like some sort of sick joke...but that is what Europe is right now. A big political shock is needed to wake the whole place up so that the SYSTEMIC problmes get dealt with or the Euro as a currency gets binned.  

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:34 | 3271407 lolmao500
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Grillo and Berlusconi want Italy out of the euro... COME ON DO IT... for the lulz...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:58 | 3271446 Pseudo Anonym
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who cares that

Grillo and Berlusconi want Italy out of the euro

what matters is what the banksters want.  they count the votes.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:01 | 3271464 Room 101
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No, what matters is what it costs the banksters to win.  They've been winning on the cheap.  Increase their costs and they have to prioritize. That would leave the rest of us some breathing room and liberty at the margins.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:08 | 3271481 Pseudo Anonym
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hmmm,

Increase their costs and they have to prioritize.

how much did you say again it costs the banksters to the type 1's and 0's on the ecb keyboard?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:06 | 3271475 _ConanTheLibert...
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They will assassinate any threads.

Suggestion: if any of you guys here are suicidal, then take out a top banker first. We would appreciate it.

 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:12 | 3271493 lolmao500
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Western countries should draft cancer patients to go off the banksters and politicians... Cancer patients have nothing to lose anyway... they could do some good with the time they've got left.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:20 | 3271511 Pseudo Anonym
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yeah, right after radiation treatment and chemo when they are at their best

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:07 | 3271798 dtwn
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Doesn't take much effort to pull the trigger on a .338 Lapua magnum from 1,000 metres away.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:36 | 3271412 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Either that or their supporters are the most active in the social media realm. We shall see soon enough.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:59 | 3271572 Daily Bail
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The most interesting news from the election so far.

VIDEO: Topless Women Protest As Berlusconi Casts Ballot
Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:35 | 3271972 ebworthen
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They're giving him a free show!

Hell, let's start WWIII already,

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:43 | 3271424 PUD
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Those that think an exit by any nation from the euro will be some magic pill are sadly mistaken.

It's as foolish as the japanese desperation move of devaluation

Imagine Italy or Spain or any country in the EZ reverting back to its own currency and doing what Japan is doing

You think the current currency war is destined to fail? Imagine Venezuela type cuts across the nations of europe

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:51 | 3271436 Everybodys All ...
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Imagine a country taking control of it's own destiny. How independent. Let freedom reign.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:57 | 3271450 bonderøven-farm ass
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What's the price for self-determination PUD?  Fuck the EZ and it's unelected, tyrannical oligarchs.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:34 | 3271551 PUD
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Did I say the current system is good? Did I?  No I didn't. None of you can read or think except as a herd. We need a global system that makes beggar they neighbor policies impossible. We need a human being system not a nationalistic system that breeds nothing but warfare. Wake up!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:01 | 3271903 bonderøven-farm ass
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Fuck your 'system' as well....all 'systems' lead to tyranny.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:33 | 3272114 falak pema
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lol, you have just said that Anarchy is the best of all SYSTEMS. And that means only one thing :  you support rule of the toughest. 

We can't go back to being cavemen. Civilization means rule of SYSTEM. Just read the Republic, first social philosophy written 2400 years ago. 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:19 | 3272325 bonderøven-farm ass
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falak, where do you see my support for Anarchy?  Where did I say that 'Anarchy' is the 'best' of all systems?  What I DID say was 'all systems (in regards to governance) lead to tyranny'; you disagree?  Speak your piece, but drop the strawman angle....

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:03 | 3272554 StychoKiller
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Anarchy != Chaos

But Stupid == Chaos

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:58 | 3271451 orez65
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Venezuela produces nothing of value except, of course, oil.

The Italians do produce fine wines, Ferraris, fashionable clothes, etc.

So a currency devaluation could help their economy.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:09 | 3271488 bigkahuna
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They also claim that they have a lot of gold.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:21 | 3271515 PUD
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You are all myopic fools. They would no more be in control of their destiny under their own devalued currency then they are now. You seem to forget your European history where war was the norm. Pit every nation against every other nation with economic currency warfare and see how far that gets you.

You all move backwards and are retarded in your thinking. Only a unified global metric of money is the answer. It's one planet now fools whether or not you care to see it. We cannot exist as a species pitted against each other in the 21st century. It's either co-operation or cease operation. You just don't get it do you?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:32 | 3271544 PUD
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lol! the choir of ignorance casting their red arrow votes without a single intelligent rebuttal!  

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:38 | 3271565 akak
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That is because, in the demonstrated depths of your ignorance and statist brainwashing, you have proven yourself largely unworthy of response.  "Cast not pearls before swine" and all that.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:46 | 3271580 PUD
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Is that so? Tell me how i'm 'ignorant' in my understanding of currency devaluations and beggar thy neighbor policies. Show your mastery of the subject matter and how an exit of nations from the Euro would result in sunshine and rose petals for all. Waiting...

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:54 | 3271598 akak
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Actually, I agree with you in regards to the futility and insanity of "beggar they neighbor" serial currency devaluations, but your gross error was in equating THAT policy with the abandonment by European nations, either individually or collectively, of the euro.  You appear to make the same insidious, and erroneous, assumption that both Lincoln and the leaders of the USSR made: that once a centralized authority is created, it cannot and MUST NOT be destroyed.  While Lincoln happened to have got his way in the case of the US Civil War (to great detriment to freedom in the USA), history for the most part laughs at that presumption.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:33 | 3271714 PUD
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Don't tell me what I assume. Read what I say. i'm saying, and it is fact!...we are one planet now. Joined at the hip economically, environmentally and socially. We will rise or fall, sink or swim as a species and it's too bad if you don't like it, it's the way it is. Given that FACT, there is no way nationalistic economics will bring anything other than conflict. I am not advocating for the preservation of the staus quo, I am advocating for a whole new paradigm.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:30 | 3272109 falak pema
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well said Pud, I support you all the way; these libertarians are delusional and their historical reference doesn't go beyond 1776...

Sad but true. If they had a broader vision of history they would understand what war does and currency wars are part of that conundrum. 2000 years of history says one thing  : take out those barriers that are artificial between men, ideologies and political nations. 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:11 | 3271806 dtwn
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Don't feed the trolls.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 14:45 | 3271873 Piranhanoia
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The issue is the voters.  If they choose to go outside the herd then we will have that which scares the status quo the most. Democracy.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:03 | 3272557 StychoKiller
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You comment made the choice an Either/Or; expand your horizons a bit.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:34 | 3271550 Super Broccoli
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you don't understand mankind PUD, humans love to kill each others

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:35 | 3271553 PUD
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So does that mean you resign yourself to that fate? 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:46 | 3271581 DutchR
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You forgot the /s right, right?

 

Love to live in your star trek world though.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:50 | 3271590 PUD
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You can't live there. You have to accept that we are savages unable to rise above the status quo. You need to get your sons ready for war. You need to admit defeat now. You need to cheer a return to tribalism and feudal states. You need to be like the other sheep who can't think outside the box who gang up on me for daring to pose intelligent alternatives

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:31 | 3271711 They Tried to S...
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GOOD MORNING SUNSHINE!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:45 | 3271996 ebworthen
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So us monkeys aren't going to fight over bananas?

How does that work, is that like Women not being fickle and Men not wanting sex?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:06 | 3272561 StychoKiller
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I've yet to read your "intelligent alternative(s)."

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:45 | 3271758 ISEEIT
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"Only a unified global metric of money is the answer"

Nah, I think any solution posed that demands more of the same IS NOT the answer.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:50 | 3272007 PUD
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A single global currency does not require more of the same system dude. A single currency immediately eliminates one source of conflict. Of course there needs to be more. This new currency cannot be debt based money, it needs to be backed by real world things and it needs to be under the supervision of global political interests not banking interests. 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:07 | 3272565 StychoKiller
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Oh yeah, MOAR Central Authority, backed by the point of a gun!  NO THANK YOU!

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:42 | 3271985 ebworthen
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PUD,

I can think of nothing more myopic than being a utopian fool.

A unified global metric of money would do nothing but increase oppression and decrease freedom.

The farther away from the hands of the laborer the money goes, the more it is manipulated and stolen; the same is true of liberty.

Why do you think central banks were formed, and the EU itself?

I'd rather fight a war than live in debt serfdom under bankers in another nation or on another continent.

And besides, war is a natural part of the human condition that will never leave us; utopian schemes only further oppression of the individual in hopes that mass slavery will bring peace and prosperity.  Has never worked, will never work.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:47 | 3272000 PUD
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That is totally absurd. The current system is nothing but dysfunctional and confrontational. It makes rivals and enemies out of everyone. It makes one up man ship" the status quo. It pits nation against nation, culture against culture and does nothing to benefit you or yours or any laborer on the planet. I advocate the elimination of disparate currencies, the abolishment of central banks, the end of debt based money...hello? Are you really reading what i'm writing?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:57 | 3272036 ebworthen
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I agree on abolishing central banks and the end of debt based money.

This can never happen under a single currency across the globe.

Rivals and enemies are a part of the human condition.

"Monkey want banana."

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:01 | 3272053 PUD
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Well, if you are entrenched in that mind set, that there is no hope, that humanity can't rise above it's primate dna then just bunker up and see how long you last

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:08 | 3272068 ebworthen
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We can strive for better for certain, but we are and always will be animals, not gods.

Centralized anything leads to something worse; always.

Nature of the beast.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 20:10 | 3272570 StychoKiller
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WHO watches the Watchers?  Read "Lord of the Flies" lately?

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 18:02 | 3272293 Haus-Targaryen
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What's the deal with zerohedge? It's the only online forum that has asshats like pud and Steve from Virginia en masse?

Nationalism is a good thing. It leads to competition -- which is a good thing. If the world traded in commodities and that's it - you'd be correct. However it isn't just commodities that are traded and ergo competition at something other than price point not only is good for the products prices and people but it's good for the system as a whole.

You're one world pipe dream -- thank god -- will never come into existance. You're not a troll - you believe what you say - which is really sad.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:54 | 3271443 Pseudo Anonym
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it doesnt matter who votes and how.  what matters is who counts the votes.  credits: stalin

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:57 | 3271447 Room 101
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Looks like Prime Minister Bunga Bunga might emerge from this. He's a buffoon of course, but throws a monkey wrench in the banksters most extreme plans. As for Grillo, he's real interesting.  Hope he has good bodyguards lest he follow in the path of Pim Fortuyn. 

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:37 | 3271559 NoWayJose
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I can see Bunga Bunga joining with Grillo to pull thus out. He knows how to be 'popular' so he will give Grillo some promises and win this thing.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 12:51 | 3271593 Mae Kadoodie
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Bungrillo.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:51 | 3272020 Peter K
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Besides, it was only sex, and everybody lies about sex. :)

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 15:19 | 3271941 Freddie
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Pim Fortyun was a real hero.  If Berlasconi gets Italy out of the euro - he will also be a hero.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 16:04 | 3272016 ebworthen
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Had not heard that story, what a tragedy he was assasinated.  And...the man who admitted to shooting him only got an 18 year sentence!?!?

This quote of Fortyun's (Wikipedia) reminds me of Churchill's famous quote about Islam:

" I don't hate Islam. I consider it a backward culture. I have travelled much in the world. And wherever Islam rules, it's just terrible. All the hypocrisy. It's a bit like those old reformed protestants. The Reformed lie all the time. And why is that? Because they have standards and values that are so high that you can't humanly maintain them. You also see that in that Muslim culture. Then look at the Netherlands. In what country could an electoral leader of such a large movement as mine be openly homosexual? How wonderful that that's possible. That's something that one can be proud of. And I'd like to keep it that way, thank you very much.[19]"

Quote from Winston Churchill:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899])."

No surprise that Barrack Ayatollah Hussein Bin Obama took the bust of Churchill out of the White House.

Sun, 02/24/2013 - 21:50 | 3272757 Mesquite
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>PUD

I'm reminded of the old saying: 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely..'

Would be nice if it weren't so...

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