The Un-Great Un-Rotation

Tyler Durden's picture

If bond yields are higher, according to the endless talking head chatter on financial comedy channels, due to a "stronger economy" and the 'any second now' exit of Fed monetization, we wonder: what do sliding bond yield indicate? (10Y 1.87 handle now -13bps from earlier highs)


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Careless Whisper's picture

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture


hugovanderbubble's picture

10yrs can be perfectly not zero, NEGATIVE


Remember No Real + Growth or very low + (Deflation from -3 to -10%)


= RISK ASSETS KAPUT per one decade.

resurger's picture

Zero is the common bitch!

 it keeps the Federal Reserve & The minions happy.

Stoploss's picture

what do sliding bond yield indicate?


Buy more gold!

CrashisOptimistic's picture

Gold is insignificant to society and low bond yields are not relevant to it.

Rather, low bond yields are a result of fear in Europe.  The money is returning to where it must be amid Europe worry, US T's.

And let's keep in mind we have 2+% GDP drag pending.  The R word of recession can't be far away, and that should take the 10 yr yield negative.

They still have not embraced the reality of there being no solution.

Stoploss's picture

"Gold is insignificant to society"     Until it is.

LOL! It has a nasty little habit of popping up significantly at the worst possible time.



CrashisOptimistic's picture

It ever became a threat, transactions of it will be taxed to oblivion.

And you actually know this to be true and deny it.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Another threadjack...


I just heard on Rush that the US Consumer Protection Bureau is getting more buzz in DC about .gov taking over (well, giving you a guaranteed 3%) the 401k's...  

It's coming...

fonzannoon's picture

hey dochen do you happen to have a link? 

ceilidh_trail's picture

I heard him say the same thing today- .gov to our rescue!!!

dracos_ghost's picture

They're calling them "R Bonds".

Recently went to a Finserv conference and they are scared shitless of this. Most don't think it will happen but those seem to be famous last words.

gaoptimize's picture

I'm carefully watching this.  If it appears that it is going to happen, I'm out, going Galt, finding a simpler lifestyle in a remote, more Constitution-respecting location until the inevitable happens.  I'll take the 40% tax penalty in one painful blow, rather than be tortured by inflation for God knows how long.  I promised myself 3 years ago that this was a line in the sand/breaking point and I'm sticking to it.

Auntie Lo's picture

Amazing this was first proposed in 2009 or so. Trying to get my 401(k) close to home so I can pull it quick when I want to do so. Unfortunately lots of it IS in annuities now and apparently I can't cash those out.

BullsNBeers's picture

Fucking scumbags.

First we have to kick in to SSI because we can't be trusted to plan for ourselves. Of course the return of these funds are only a "political promise" and not an obligation so good luck with seeing that money again if you're more than a few years out from retirement. In a right world, taking peoples money against their will and not giving it back is considered theft.

Now we can't be trusted to manage money we have privately earmarked for our retirement?

Why am I not surprised?


Buck Johnson's picture

That chart says it all doesn't it.

buzzsaw99's picture

Someone on here told me to short USTs. You bastards!

Winston Churchill's picture

You misheard.

Short Greek bonds.if  you can find a counterparty that is.

hugovanderbubble's picture

Welcome to deflation world vs Central Banks Intervention...

TruthInSunshine's picture

Ben S. Bernanke's parrot:

"Sqawk!  Stawks higher!  Sqawk!  Virtuous Circle!  Sqawk!  Let my term end before it all comes crashing down!"

Kreditanstalt's picture

Other than the Fed, other central printers, big pension/mutual/"investor"/hedge funds, WHO is so keen on buying these things? 

What if they're wrong?   What if we get a collapse?  Or price inflation?  Or mass unemployment?  Or a run on the dollar? 

Yes, BUNGA BUNGA.    Hahahaha...! 

kaiserhoff's picture

No one wants to buy this shit, but as you point out, some funds and insurance companies have no choice.

So, any rise in interest rates bankrupts everyone, including the banks.  Therefore, nothing can ever be allowed to change.

Who but Ben the Bald could fuck up an economy on this scale?

Imagine what this does for Calpers and the rest of those pension retards.

Kreditanstalt's picture

I'm just saying - what if we DON'T get lasting deflation in prices?  Or what if we also get deflation in asset "values" too?

As it stands, this bond-buying is in preparation for deflationary outcomes.  The big bond-buyers are losing either way: either the buying fails and rates rise OR they slowly get penurized with paltry ZIRP yields...

kaiserhoff's picture

Couldn't agree more.  Name your poison.

blindfaith's picture

Deflation in what PRICES...PLEASE tell me.  Nothing I see, eat, drive, wear, watch, communicate with, drink, or anything else shows any sign of DEFLATION.  Bubbles, like housing or stocks, poping is not is realization.  I just mailed a 2 ounce letter to Europe that cost 1.78 two weeks ago, and NOW cost $6.66 at the 'going out of business' Post Office.

The banks are taking a commission buying the bonds with money the FED gives them to buy the bonds with.  They don't care what the yeilds are, they are making money on..."volume".

Kreditanstalt's picture

What deflation???   "On a clear day you can see (inflation) forever..."

INFLATION!!!!!   Doesn't have to be driven by "economic activity".

I'm 40% physical gold, 30% paid-off real estate, 15% PM stocks, 10% cash, 5% collectibles...

hugovanderbubble's picture

Euro short, ratatatata....

<target 1.10-1.05

Spain and italians bond (10yrs) = 11%

Spain .- NeoJapanizated

walküre's picture

keep your Euros in a German financial institution just for good measure

kaiserhoff's picture

Or in shotguns and silver for better measure:)

hugovanderbubble's picture

I want German Banks to do exactly the same as the whole spanish financial system has done. 

I mean-..." Analyze one by one, doing a Stress Test, with the EBA granted access"



Why German banks are avoiding to be "investigated"???? easy...cos they have exactly the same problem as Spanish Saving Banks, Exactly the same.



walküre's picture

German banks are worse off. They haven't been able to collect on the bills of exports into the rest of Europe. Germany has exported about 2 trillion worth of goods into the rest of Europe MORE than Germany has imported. The difference is made up with the ECB transfers. But bottom line is that Germany's manufacturing consumed resources and paid wages to produce the stuff they sold on credit to everyone else and they got paid in apples and oranges (literally) and transfer "credits".

Germany had the hard cost of production, money left Germany. Germany cannot collect on the outstanding 2 trillion or the whole ponzi comes crashing down.


_ConanTheLibertarian_'s picture

I'd like to see a chart which shows this in context. It's not hard to make an ugly sensational chart is it.

kaiserhoff's picture

Plenty of volume.  Stupidity must be contagious.

buzzsaw99's picture

never downgrade/short a man with a printing press

walküre's picture

I found some cash under the mattress. Trading the Vix for a good laugh. I don't care if its lost or if it appreciates. It's funny money.

mayhem_korner's picture



Sliding bond yields means the meme is still alive, and it's telling the sheep there's a temporary/cyclic (not systemic) aberration in the Force.  Either that or sliding bond yields = square root of -1

fonzannoon's picture

Hurry Everybody to the burning house now!

Super Broccoli's picture

so someone is buying that shit ...


let me guess, the same shorting the euro and italian bonds ? it's funny in a way, Bernanke has to print like a mad man to devaluate, here in europe we've got PIIGS ;-)

kaa1016's picture

Bob Doll on CNBC, "the U.S. is a paragon of strength". Take away $85 billion a month in QE and let's see how "strong" things really are. They actually pay people like him. A lot too...

hugovanderbubble's picture

Mario Draghi " Ive lost the game" - " I recognise this financial system is the biggest fraud ever done with central banks intervention"- There is no real market- No real transactions- Just Limbo and Algos."

walküre's picture

just limbo and algos and bunga! lotsa bunga!

monopoly's picture

Truly amazing. And idiots buy this market. 

Super Broccoli's picture

yeah but i think it's waaaaay too early to drop italian bonds ! you should wait for a 6-7% yield when Goldman Slut force them to vote for someone else ;-)

VonManstein's picture

USH3 is down over 6% until now. This is no big deal at this stage.

NAS looking increasingly topped however, more so than the other more HFT ALGO driven indexes.

On the sidelines here, except Metal.

I had expected the bottom/top to come at the same time as all the dumb money (managed money) start to unwind the Long ES short GLD thing they’ve had going on. Bullion banks have transferred large amounts of short risk to the hedge funds and are now setting up for the rippa.

The pump and dump continues..

but still.. all the bear chatter only makes this thing go higher. Needs a sizeable break to turn it, I think soon but it may just run up one more time. And when it does happen I think the USD will fall too just like in 2007

CrashisOptimistic's picture

You are hopelessly stuck in the old normal when humans chattered or heard chatter and humans pumped and dumped.

S&P volume is 1998 levels and HFT is 80% of that.  Your experience in the market was for a market that no longer exists.

Bam_Man's picture

Everything - including US Treasuries - now trades like a penny stock.

Ain't that great?