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Guest Post: Be Careful: Russia Is Back To Stay In The Middle East

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Submitted by Felix Imonti of OilPrice.com,

Russia is back.  President Vladimir Putin wants the world to acknowledge that Russia remains a global power.  He is making his stand in Syria.

The Soviet Union acquired the Tardus Naval Port in Syria in 1971 without any real purpose for it.  With their ships welcomed in Algeria, Cuba or Vietnam, Tardus was too insignificant to be developed.  After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia lacked the funds to spend on the base and no reason to invest in it.

The Russian return to the Middle East brought them first to where the Soviet Union had had its closest ties.  Libya had been a major buyer of arms and many of the military officers had studied in the Soviet Union.  Russia was no longer a global power, but it could be used by the Libyans as a counter force to block domination by the United States and Europeans.

When Gaddafi fell, Tardus became Russia’s only presence in the region.  That and the discovery of vast gas deposits just offshore have transformed the once insignificant port into a strategic necessity. 

Earlier at the United Nations, Russia had failed to realize that Security Council Resolution 1973 that was to implement a new policy of “responsibility to protect” cloaked a hidden agenda.  It was to be turned from a no-fly zone into a free-fire zone for NATO.  That strategic blunder of not vetoing the resolution led to the destruction of Gaddafi’s regime and cost Russia construction contracts and its investments in Libyan gas and oil to the tune of 10 billion dollars.

That was one more in a series of humiliating defeats; and something that Putin will not allow to happen again while he is president.  Since his time as an officer in the KGB, he has seen the Soviet Empire lose half of its population, a quarter of its land mass, and most of its global influence.  He has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a “geopolitical catastrophe.”

In spite of all of the pressure from Washington and elsewhere to have him persuade Bashar Al-Assad to relinquish power, Putin is staying loyal to the isolated regime.  He is calculating that Russia can afford to lose among the Arabs what little prestige that it has remaining and gain a major political and economic advantage in Southern Europe and in the Eastern Mediterranean.

What Russia lost through the anti-Al-Assad alliance was the possibility to control the natural gas market across Europe and the means to shape events on the continent.  In July 2011, Iran, Iraq, and Syria agreed to build a gas pipeline from the South Pars gas field in Iran to Lebanon and across the Mediterranean to Europe.  The pipeline that would have been managed by Gazprom would have carried 110 million cubic meters of gas.  About a quarter of the gas would be consumed by the transit countries, leaving seventy or so million cubic meters to be sold to Europe.

Violence in Iraq and the Syrian civil war has ended any hope that the pipeline will be built, but not all hope is lost.  One possibility is for Al-Assad to withdraw to the traditional Aliwite coastal enclave to begin the partitioning of Syria into three or more separate zones, Aliwite, Kurdish, and Sunni.  Al-Assad’s grandfather in 1936 had asked the French administrators of the Syrian mandate to create a separate Aliwite territory in order to avoid just this type of ethnic violence.

What the French would not do circumstance may force the grandson to accept as his only choice to survive.  His one hundred thousand heavily armed troops would be able to defend the enclave. 

The four or five million Aliwites, Christians, and Druze would have agricultural land, water, a deep water port and an international airport.  Very importantly, they would have the still undeveloped natural gas offshore fields that extend from Israel, Lebanon, and Cyprus.  The Aliwite Republic could be energy self-sufficient and even an exporter.  Of course, Russia’s Gazprom in which Putin has a vital interest would get a privileged position in the development of the resource.

In an last effort to bring the nearly two year long civil war to an end, Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov urged Syrian president Bashar al-Assad at the end of December to start talks with the Syrian opposition in line with the agreements for a cease fire that was reached in Geneva on 30 June. The Russians have also extended the invitation to the Syrian opposition National Coalition head, Ahmed Moaz al-Khatib.  The National Coalition refuses to negotiate with Al-Assad and Al-Assad will not relinquish power voluntarily.

The hardened positions of both sides leaves little hope for a negotiated settlement; and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has made it clear that only by an agreement among the Syrians will Russia accept the removal of Al-Assad.  Neither do they see a settlement through a battlefield victory which leaves only a partitioning that will allow the civil war to just wind down as all sides are exhausted.

The Russians are troubled by what they see as a growing trend among the Western Powers to remove disapproved administrations in other sovereign countries and a program to isolate Russia.   They saw the U.S involvement in the Ukraine and Georgia.  There was the separation of Kosovo from Serbia over Russian objections.  There was the extending of NATO to the Baltic States after pledging not to expand the organization to Russia’s frontier.

Again, Russia is seeing Washington’s hand in Syria in the conflict with Iran.  The United States is directing military operations in Syria with Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia at a control center in Adana about 60 miles from the Syrian border, which is also home to the American air base in Incirlik.  The Program by President Obama to have the CIA acquire heavy weapons at a facility in Benghazi to be sent to Turkey and onward to Syria is the newest challenge that Putin cannot allow to go unanswered It was the involvement of Ambassador Chris Stevens in the arms trade that may have contributed to his murder; and the Russians are not hesitating to remind the United States and Europeans that their dealings with the various Moslem extremists is a very dangerous game.

The Russians are backing their determination to block another regime change by positioning and manning an advanced air defense system in what is becoming the Middle East casino.  Putin is betting that NATO will not risk in Syria the cost that an air operation similar to what was employed over Libya will impose.  Just in case Russia’s determination is disregarded and Putin’s bluff is called, Surface to surface Iskander missiles have been positioned along the Jordanian and Turkish frontiers.  They are aimed at a base in Jordan operated by the United States to train rebels and at Patriot Missile sites and other military facilities in Turkey.

Putin is certain that he is holding the winning hand in this very high stakes poker game.  An offshore naval task force, the presence of Russian air defense forces, an electronic intelligence center in latakia, and the port facilities at Tardus will guarantee the independence of the enclave. As the supplier of sixty percent of Turkey’s natural gas, Moscow does have leverage that Ankara will not be able to ignore; and Ankara well knows that gas is one of Putin’s diplomatic weapons.

When the Turks and U.S see that there is little chance of removing Al-Assad, they will have no option other than to negotiate a settlement with him; and that would involve Russia as the protector and the mediator.  That would establish Russia’s revived standing as a Mediterranean power; and Putin could declare confidently that “Russia is back.”  After that, the Russians will be free to focus upon their real interests in the region.

And what is Russia’s real interest?  Of course, it is oil and gas and the power that control of them can bring.

 

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Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:13 | 3280074 Ignatius
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Russia playing 'forward defense' just as the Americans and NATO have done.

Very good chess players, the Russians.  They know they are targeted.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:32 | 3280120 Spirit Of Truth
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What's laughable, and immeasurably tragic, is that the West doesn't recognize it's targeted by the Russians and think Christ their saviour is a joke:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2013/02/christ-is-joke.html

I can't save a people so intent on collective suicide.

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/04/ive-been-nailed.html

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:37 | 3280150 WayBehind
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Kudos to you Mr Putin! 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:27 | 3280353 ihedgemyhedges
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Kudos to your avatar........

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:43 | 3280414 TruthInSunshine
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Vlad the impaler is probably full of piss & vinegar given that Russia's been pretty much nowhere to be seen as the U.S. has established a ring of permanent military bases stretching from the usual places in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Egypt, and then to Iraq, Afghanistan and on upward even to many former Soviet satellite and/or proxy states, like the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Armenia, Georgia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, Lithuania, etc.

I'm not making a moral judgment on this, but a strategic one. If geography is an advantage, Russia is playing a most serious game of catch up.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:52 | 3280450 Ignatius
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Absolute power is absolutely evil.

I don't wish to live under Putin, but it's a world counter-balance.

Our leaders are murderous assholes, but they are our assholes, so to speak.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:03 | 3280501 Savyindallas
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"Our assholes"?  I'm not so sure of that. The forces that are running our country have been slowly and effectively poisoning and killing us for nearly a century  -by design   -- It really got going in 1913 at Jekyll Island.  

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:08 | 3280516 Ignatius
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I mean in that we live here.  I wouldn't choose to live under the Chinese either, for that matter.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:05 | 3280822 Half_A_Billion_...
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Please Dear Putin, show us what some fire looks like.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 03:15 | 3280953 Lore
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Control over the spigot means control over the decision of what to accept in exchange, and the medium of exchange. It's no coincidence that conflict in Africa is centered around major gold producing regions. Who wants to be the last purveyor of unbacked paper in a grand debt repudiation and currency war?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 09:15 | 3281284 Spirit Of Truth
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I can't believe the idiocy of you people.  You seem to have no idea of what a Russian "dystopia" means:

http://vimeo.com/31440670

http://bankoran.com/?p=187

 

Be careful what you wish for....you WILL get it...

Your minds have been intentionally misled by the Kremlin to open the way for their thermonuclear domination of the world:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F37A04E836694EF6

Wake up!!!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:55 | 3283350 Lore
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You're awfully quick to point fingers overseas. Since we're on the subject of waking up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism

http://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/what-is-un-agenda-21.html

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:54 | 3281029 Karl von Bahnhof
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Your name to be Ignoramus.

So called "your dear leaders" are really not yours and they have special plans for their U.S.A. corporation. Check pilgrim society etc...

Your is colony of british oligarchy and their hidden empire. (Allen Dulles - british agent etc...)

You mericans are just a coolis on the plantations. Yours are getting just too expensive and troublesome for them.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 06:54 | 3281106 alpha60
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if you couldn't hear the russky accent in the text, the dulles brings it home.

see, in Rrrasha, many otherwise normal people believe that there was this incredibly super smart central planner spy named dulles, who in th 50's, wrote the script for the fall of the soviet society in the 90's. and it is like, soooo accurate, its like, scary, chuvak. he did it! the american spy! he knew! not the fault of central planners in moscow, or corruption, or arms race, or oil prices, or lack of competition. no, it was dulles. 

Karl, you're probably ok, but that dulles shit is weak. and its 'coolies', massa.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:53 | 3280461 Iocosus
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A part of me sometimes entertains the possibility that geopolitics is Sandy Hook acting. That part of me is getting more attention with the recent news of 5 nuclear carriers sitting in Pearl Harbor positions off the coast of Virginia.

 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:57 | 3280477 Orly
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Prithee, what on earth does that mean?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:00 | 3280488 magpie
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That it's all a WWF fight

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:06 | 3280511 Iocosus
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It's WWE now, magpie.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:39 | 3280784 Alpha Monkey
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"We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem!"
CHESTY PULLER, USMC

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:31 | 3280853 Oldrepublic
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@truth

The US does not have a military base in Armenia.The Russians have one,the Russian 102nd military base,near Yerevan

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:48 | 3280942 TruthInSunshine
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Could've sworn Al-CIAduh had a black site in Armenia, but wouldn't bet rubles on it.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:27 | 3280579 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tardus naval port? Is this guy a thyme lord of something?

Watch out for the sighbermen and dalex.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:38 | 3280880 ThirdWorldDude
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+1 Stooge!

 

Imagine Felix replying to a mail about Russian naval port in Syria:

Subject: "Re:Tardus"

 

Meh, just anoter Stratfor-wannabe typing from his mom's basement, the interwebs are full of them in these times of deception. One could argue that he's been collecting info for quite some time and writing his "article" in lucida intervala, as he's a whole month behind the curve.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:29 | 3281063 StychoKiller
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Kinda hard playing poker with a player what's got Nukular poker chips.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:32 | 3280370 EscapingProgress
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Let them eat (yellow)cake.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:46 | 3280159 CompassionateFascist
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ZOGsters - and Spirit of Lie - having forced America into a Forever War against Islam, now want the same against Russia. Since nothing grows Gubmint like War, and collectivism is about nothing but Gubmint, we have here an ultimate convergence of the Communist and Zionist wings of Organized Jewry.  

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:46 | 3280176 Raymond Reason
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Contrary to popular opinion here on ZH, Christianity is not a tool to control the masses (i should qualify by saying sincere Christianity).  On the contrary, Christianity produces moral fibre and critical thinking in the masses, and so should be mocked, ridiculed, and diluted.  This has always been a spiritual war first, and material war second.  Okay, pile on. 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:55 | 3280203 otto skorzeny
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The Zionist MSM loves to trumpet the death of organized religion every chance they get-yet I'm guessing the Catholic Church outlasts empire after empire(and that little piece of desert named Israel) w/o a standing army(for the most part) as they have done for 2000 years

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:48 | 3280888 gdogus erectus
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Why doesn't Christianity work? No one has ever tried it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:17 | 3281002 Joe A
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kudos for that comment

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 09:23 | 3281300 Spirit Of Truth
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Constantine and the ancient Roman empire would beg to differ....and now Russia is going to give "christianity" a try:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/05/great-transformation-of-wor...

Hence, a new "Dark Age".

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:56 | 3280213 Wakanda
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Believing someone died for your sins 2000 years ago produces critical thinking?  Really?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:02 | 3280233 Raymond Reason
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Believing consciousness stops at death is a belief.  So you and i both live a life based on faith. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:36 | 3280933 Raymond Reason
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As far as producing critical thinking, Christianity traditionally (and still today) embodied, among other things, a tremendous amount of rote memorization.  In addition to creeds, hymns, chants, tones, prayers, verses, all varying according to feasts and fasts, most laymen also learned an ancient language, monks and priests learning multiple languages.  There was a lot of controversy stirred up with Guttenberg's invention, because it was felt that people's memorization skills would diminish, and with them, mental acuity and critical thinking.  Memorization is still a virtue practiced today in Christianity....to greater degree than most would think, even here in America.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:36 | 3281015 I am a Man I am...
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memorization has absolutely nothing to do with critical thinking

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:01 | 3281113 Wakanda
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Memorization produces critical thinking?  Really?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:39 | 3282289 Raymond Reason
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Working memory is the foundation of all mental functions.  Can't remember why though.  :D

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:52 | 3281086 e-recep
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consciousness stops at death, period. you can't show me a concious corpse. there is none. it is a fact. it does not require any faith in anything. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:59 | 3281090 Orly
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Then why do you have so much faith that what you said is true?  It requires faith to believe that, either way.

The corpse itself will be simply dead-weight but your conciousness will return to the Universe.  Conciousness is a form of energy and is neither created nor destroyed upon the death of your body.

Are you a "corpse" at that point?  What would "you" be in that instance?

You have tidy answers to something that may not be the case at all.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 10:28 | 3281515 e-recep
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"your conciousness will return to the Universe."

 

Yes but the real question is, will it land in an UFO?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:00 | 3280237 otto skorzeny
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why does that belief exclude you from critical thinking?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:34 | 3280364 Orly
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Otto, why are those two things mutually exclusive?  I may believe in a higher power (I don't...at least not in the way normally described...) but that makes me some kind of dumbass?

The true story of Jesus should be one told in the vein that he rebelled against Judaism and the xenophobic belief that some people (Jews>Pharisees...) are better than others (goy...).

The legacy of Christianity is one that says all people should be considered brothers and sisters and we are all one in the eyes of God.  Now, whatever your God is, if you even believe such a thing, it is clear in your heart of hearts, whether that heart be Jew or gentile, Muslim or atheist, that the teachings and beliefs of Christianity are correct.

The Koran and the Torah both state that it is okay to lie, cheat and steal from someone who is not akin to you.  I challenge anyone to find such a belief in the New Testament.  In fact, the apostles preached repeatedly against such isolationist beliefs.

In my humble opinion, you can keep the myths of the virgin birth, the Magi, the resurrection, the "miracles" (easy parlor tricks, all...)and boil Christianity down to its proper legacy, which has given us the idea of equality of all and love for everyone.

:D

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:46 | 3280428 Iocosus
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The Torah is our New Testament. You are referring to the Talmud, the Pharisaical man-made rules Christ railed against.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:50 | 3280447 Orly
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I stand corrected.

:D

I am obviously not a Biblical historian but at the time, I would imagine such "universal" beliefs were quite revolutionary.  It was certainly enough for J and the boys to try to start a popular insurrecton in the Temple and...well, we know how that ended.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:55 | 3280470 Iocosus
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He accomplished His mission.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:01 | 3280491 Orly
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We're talking about it today.  What else is there?  No one's going to be talking about me in 4013.

________

I think I misread otto's comment earlier.  It seems now that he was asking, as I was, why those two things should be mutually exclusive also.

Sorry, ot.

:/

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:32 | 3280603 TheFourthStooge-ing
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locosus said:

The Torah is our New Testament.

No, no it's not.

You are referring to the Talmud, the Pharisaical man-made rules Christ railed against.

Ummm, no.

Still, though, your delivery was convincing, so that's gotta be worth something.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:23 | 3280752 Orly
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Well, everyone knows what I am saying but would someone who knows set the record straight?  Please?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:21 | 3281055 peter4805
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Sure can. The Torah is the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:25 | 3281060 Orly
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So I was talking about the Talmud and stooge was being a...stooge?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 06:53 | 3281105 peter4805
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In a nutshell, the Talmud is the Rabbinical interpretation of the Torah. It's encyclopaedic in size and scope, with twelve volumes of incomprehensible rules, regulations and dictates.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:47 | 3281138 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Orly said:

So I was talking about the Talmud and stooge was being a...stooge?

No.

I know that following a threaded discussion can be difficult, so let me help you out.

You initially made a statement which you indicated as being from the Torah. Without giving a more specific citation, determining what you were talking about would require further research on the part of the reader.

My comment was not a response to your statement, but to locosus, indicated by the demarcation "locosus said" as seen below:

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locosus said:

The Torah is our New Testament.

No, no it's not.

You are referring to the Talmud, the Pharisaical man-made rules Christ railed against.

Ummm, no.
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Following that, you (Orly) said:

Well, everyone knows what I am saying but would someone who knows set the record straight?  Please?

Using something known as "internet" it is possible for the sufficiently motivated person to make such determinations independently.

There is a site called wikipedia which can be helpful for such purposes. A cursory perusal indicates that the term Torah most often refers to the first five books of the Tanakh, as peter4805 indicated in his comment.

With some differences, mainly depending on the specific denomination, the Tanakh is what Christians refer to as the Old Testament, as it predates the birth of Christ.

Also from wikipedia, we learn that the Talmud is a textual compendium of both Judaism's oral law as well as rabbinic opinion. The oldest part of this written collection dates to around 200 AD. Certainly some of the oral law predates Christ, but the Talmud also has contents which originate in the centuries following Christ's time on earth.

Logic dictates that Christ would not have railed against something before its creation.

I hope this helps.

Also, you might want to look into this internet thing.

:D

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:33 | 3281068 salman
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Orly:

"The Koran and the Torah both state that it is okay to lie, cheat and steal from someone who is not akin to you."

any references from Quran...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:43 | 3281076 Orly
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Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good - except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.

Quran 3:28; "The Imrans,"

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Quran 2:89-2:90, "The Cow,"

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Quran 9:5; "Repentance,"

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

Quran 48:29, "Victory,"

From http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm#.US3TXKLU--k

 

I mean, why can't we all just get along?

"/

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:26 | 3281127 salman
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Thanks for the reply Orly, but what im requested was, references, whcih should support your claim: "Quaran teaches its followers to Lie, Cheat & Steal.."

Honestly i could not find any of the 03 in the references you have presented here. As per Quran these are the traits of the Non Believers.

"Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding because they, say "There is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (pagans)." But they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it. (75) Nay?Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright?verily Allah loves those who act aright. (76) As for those who sell the faith they owe to Allah and their own solemn plighted word for a small price, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter: nor will Allah (deign to) speak to them or look at them on the Day of Judgment, nor will He cleanse them (of sin); they shall have a grievous penalty. (77) There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues; (as they read) so that you would think it is a part of the Book but it is no part of the Book; and they say "That is from Allah" but it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (78)"

Quran 3:(75-78); "Al-E-Imran"

From http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:43 | 3281212 WillyGroper
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Kinda funny how the substitution of words can change the whole context. I have a Qur'an given to me by a friend. The term "Infidel" originated in the Catholic church during the crusades. 

Quran 3:28; "The Imrans

Actually states, unbeliever not infidel. 

Is that so different from 2 Corinthians 6:14?

Many things will be lost in translation. 

My reference is a side by side Arabic/English translation. 

 

 

Now for a little levity. There was quite the brouhaha in my state when the Islamic community offered up their holy book to our state legislature. Some accepted it, others outright rejected it. One Rep. that refused, rethunk that one & had a town hall meeting w/ the I. community. My son, 14 at the time, went with our friends. He was the only Non-Muslim & kid in the group. When the rep opened up for Q & A, he asked & got the mans explaination for the rejection of their gift. He then asked the rep if he "accepted" the Islamic community's donations. Hard to believe a politician being speechless. It brought down the house. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:03 | 3281878 Orly
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My point being- and my ONLY point being- that Christianity makes no distinction between US and Them.

Islam and Judaism do.  Why is that necessary?

End of story.

Why does everyone read what they want to read and NOT what I say?

Got an agenda much or are you really as open-minded as you claim to be?  Yes, I'm talking to YOU.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:48 | 3282305 WillyGroper
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No agenda here Orly. I have not a clue re: Judaism. Really can't say that I want one, given what limited knowledge I do have.  It was your link & the term infidel that made the distinction. I merely stated from the reference material that I have with regards to your first reference chapter & verse.  

My ONLY point being, that I read no such us/them disctinction as you claim in your post. 

Can't answer for everyone. 

Yes, I'm replyiing to YOU.

I'm not the one that junked you.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:36 | 3280775 Alpha Monkey
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Kill the spirit and you can sell them tons of worthless shit to try and fill the void.  Destroy their true god identity and you can make them rally around a flag for identity.  Banish innate morality and you can make war something everyone is ok with. 

It is a war on all religions and spirituality, so the material world can be profited from.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:55 | 3280211 TwoShortPlanks
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Sun Tzu: "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle".

Know the mind of your enemy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-_rZLvMxxY

 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:46 | 3280429 Ignatius
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Bush senior was CIA.  He should have been excluded in the American mind from being President if only because he was previously the top cop.

Know your enemy, indeed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:25 | 3280759 TwoShortPlanks
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@ Americans in general: Did you really think that you could let your government suppress and oppress half a planet and that it wouldn't come back at you?! No need to answer that, here's a video that best shows exactly what has returned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15F4Xp3NaBo

Remember my quote for this decade: "If ‘War is an extension of Politics by other means’ then, Politics is an extension of Economics by other means and further, Economics is an extension of Servitude by other means. We go to war today so we create servitude in others tomorrow. Politics, Economics, Warfare, Servitude; they’re all manifestations of the same fundamental flaw in the Human Psyche, that Control is a cure for Fear."

What's now returned to America? Political oppression, Economic oppression, a Cold War on the public, and Servitude.....fear and control has returned.

Fear, which for 70 years has been the largest export from America, has returned home. That's all.

Know your enemy!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:25 | 3280851 Lucius Corneliu...
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Nations rise and fall in predictable patterns.  The USA took the baton from the UK who was held in check by Spain and France for world domination.  Who will hold the USA in check?  IMO, the USA's story will be similar to Rome in that it will be unable to sustain the projection of its power as its economic decline accelerates.  Rome's fall was not all that sudden.  It incrementally broke apart into pieces as it could no longer afford to maintain an effective military presence in outlying provinces.  I think that, eventually, the USA will be lucky to hold onto Guam, Hawaii, Alaska or Texas. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:35 | 3280872 Oldrepublic
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re lucius

world power passed from the French to the British in 1759 in the battle near Quebec City and in 1956 from the British to the Americans during the Suez War

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:35 | 3281070 StychoKiller
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"What do you give a Govt that's taken everything?", "When Dreams Come Due", by John Galt

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:13 | 3280082 sangell
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Maybe not. The Russian made huge investments in Egypt and Iraq and lost. Propping up an hereditary dictatorship in Syria that can't even protect its own defense minister and his generals doesn't seem like a wise investment.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:22 | 3280104 Mr. Hudson
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Why not? It's better to have Assad in charge than the kooks who are now running Libya.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:31 | 3280129 sangell
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Maybe, but Assad's regime looks to have 'jumped the shark' or gone "Humpty Dumpty'. He's finished.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:59 | 3280224 otto skorzeny
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enlighten us as to why-if Putin has Assad's back the Europeans damn well won't raise a finger(unless they like freezing to death w/no nat gas)and with no oil big bully Uncle Sam won't touch it w/ a 10 foot pole-other than arming a few crazed Taliban.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:02 | 3280243 sangell
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The Europeans aren't overthrowing Assad. The Syrian people ( with some outside Sunni help) are.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:19 | 3280314 magpie
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It's a travelling circus from Libya and Lebanon, the next destination can booked...

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:21 | 3280323 Tristan Ludlow
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The Americans are overthrowing Assad and using dupes to do their fighting.  Do you really think the Syrians are doing the fighting? If so, I have some beachfront property in the Sahara I would like you to consider. 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:37 | 3280396 Orly
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Truth is, Putin has his fingers in the Cyprus pie and if he pulls the plug, the entire European "experiment" goes down in flames.

That's his real bargaining chip.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:55 | 3280471 Savyindallas
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care to elaborate? Never heard that one before.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:18 | 3280505 Orly
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Rich Russian oligarchs hold the cards in Cyprus debt.  They are owed big time.

What's Germany and Europe going to do about it?

http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2012/11/4/the-bailout-of-russian-bla...

"The BND report concluded that this “black money” amounted to €26 billion—about 150% of the country’s GDP. Money that the banks had plowed into Greek sovereign bonds and the housing bubble that came with a nationwide title-deed scandal of phenomenal proportions..."

_________________

"Otherwise, Cyprus would be the first domino to topple, as the cliché goes, or the second, if Greece were allowed to go first, with mega-consequences that would ultimately take down the entire universe."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:37 | 3281071 StychoKiller
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"Pull it!" -- Mr. Silverstein

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:54 | 3280464 Savyindallas
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stfu  -quit listening to Bill Crystal and those morons at the Weekly Standard

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:40 | 3280786 Anusocracy
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Someday, when you die, you will stop believing liars.

It's a hard thing to do, but I think you can pull it off when you reach room temperature

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:29 | 3280859 Lucius Corneliu...
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Outside help is coming from the US taxpayer vis a vie CIA arms transfers to Sunni "Al Qaeda" elements.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:58 | 3280225 Jugdish
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So Russia should just pull out of the Middle East and let USSA/Isreal have it ? I'm sure that'd work out great for them and their interests. You must work at the Pentagon sangell.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:25 | 3280110 Stoploss
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Uh oh Bozo..

So, how much foreign policy was learned exactly, at the community organizer level again??

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:25 | 3280112 Wakanda
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Why is the Bear suddenly interested in the ME after a decade of US/NATO building bases along its southern border?

Did they wait until the West was bankrupt/corrupt/exhausted?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:40 | 3280160 Mr. Hudson
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Good question. When we invaded Iraq, Russia was still trying to recover from the economic mess Putin had inherited when he took office. Russia also was behind in their weapons technology. But now things have changed, and Putin seems to be standing up to the Western Central Bankers and also Israel. Both are bold moves.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:02 | 3280239 fudge
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Russia and Kazakhstan agree on joint air defense system
Pakistan hands management of Gwadar port to China. China to build rail link, boots on the ground

Keep your eye on the ball

 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:04 | 3280247 sangell
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You can bet the Indian Defense Minister is.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:12 | 3280284 fudge
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It's too late now . 

The stupid fuckers have been outplayed by China and Russia.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:44 | 3280789 neptunium
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The usual rubbish here on ZH  - russian air-defence systems pose a threat but by NO MEANS does it do more than add a few days of SEAD missions to the USAF/USN - It's one thing having the launchers it's quite another maintaining the radar network and C4I required to make them effective - once power has gone, comms networks have gone, the IADS search and fire-control radars stick out like sore thumbs and get whacked really quickly by standoff munitions.

Russia might well have an ulterior motive in the region that relates entirely to its own precarious position as a hydrocarbon exporter (precarious because their gas market might take a big hit from shale developments) - they don't want the last bastions of opposition to the US in the ME to fall because the present situation with Iran locked out of energy markets probably suits them down to the ground, not to mention the fact that were Iran to modernise it could raise daily production to similar volumes as Saudi Arabia. 

In other words, Russia can support whichever interests in the region result in prolonged instability and the necessary pricing in of risk on oil futures. I'm sure they like having captive markets for their weapon-systems too, especially since China has been undercutting most of its third-world customers with cheap knock-offs of extant Russian weapons. 

N

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:55 | 3280807 DaveyJones
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as many have pointed out ( along with daily reality) do you think their only weapons are military?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:41 | 3280643 jerry_theking_lawler
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I think it may be because of the Golden Rule....

 

He who holds the gold, makes the rule....

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:30 | 3280127 magpie
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Putin must have been watching Aljazeera when the anchor "mistook" Damascus for Sochi or something.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:39 | 3280152 nmewn
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"Putin is certain that he is holding the winning hand in this very high stakes poker game."

Obama matching wits with Putin?...lol.

The soft social working, novice golfer, the genuflecting mama's jean wearing, the world is going to fucking end if I don't get more tax revenue for my unicorn dreams of grandeur and my old lady doesn't deliver the Oscar trophy for a movie about heroic action I refused to take myself, I'm going to throw a hissy fit...

 (ahem, sorry, community orgainizer) against a cold, calculating, former KGB head?

Where is the betting window?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:42 | 3281073 StychoKiller
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Ya gotta like dem oddz.  Press yer bets!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:18 | 3282456 DaveyJones
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shit that would be really funny if he weren't the ass and we weren't the butt

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:37 | 3280153 stant
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hillary got her ass handed to her there. now its kerrys turn lol

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:54 | 3280207 Crash Overide
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What I can't figure out is if Putin is playing his role as he is told by his handlers or if he is a cowboy business man with some of that old school KGB pride to stick it to the west in what others have called a chess match. Maybe both...? Help me out here, does Putin report to anyone?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:13 | 3280287 Raymond Reason
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Putin is accountable to the Orthodox church.  Don't laugh.  This goes back a long ways, to Constantinople and Rome before that. 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:20 | 3280553 Orly
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Okay, Ray.  I'll bite.

Sez who?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:59 | 3280898 Raymond Reason
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Sez me.  But do your own research.  The Moscow Patriarchate has said that it would oppose efforts to be named the official state religion of Russia, but not many Russians would argue that it is the de facto state religion, and that the state is compelled to consult the church in ethical matters (which include war).  There are other arragements like this, Philippines, for example with Catholic church.  If you read the history of Orthodoxy, (not as written by Jews) you will understand why.   

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:13 | 3281044 Karl von Bahnhof
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Raymond +1xxx

Fully share your point of view. Came to that conclusion after few years of reading sources.

Currently we are at war between New british empire (UK, US, IS, JP, Saudis etc...) against Russia + China (+Iran)

Strategic points of pain: Jap-CHi, ME - syria, Iran, palestine, egypt, india-pak, South am - malvinas (secret submarine base in south island)

EU in the middle. India, Pak - drifting east. South Am - drifting to RU-CHI.

US is totally under control via british agents (POTUS - CIA, FED, Media, Neocons in Pentagon, Israel lobby-senate, Brzezinski - british agent etc...)

Very interesting reading - Igor Panarin, read in goog translate:

http://translate.google.cz/translate?hl=cs&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.x-libri.ru%2Felib%2Fpanrn000%2F00000045.htm

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:30 | 3281065 Orly
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So kinda like a board game?  Like Risk?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 06:02 | 3281091 StychoKiller
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Except real people get vaporized/maimed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:19 | 3283658 SmittyinLA
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naw, its more like mafia 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:24 | 3281059 Acet
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" but not many Russians would argue that it is the de facto state religion"

So tell me, do you live in Russia? Do you speak Russian? In fact do you actually know a single Russian living in Russia?

Or did you just pulled that statement fresh out of your own ass?

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:29 | 3281064 Orly
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Well, he was sure forthcoming with his "proof."

Not!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:10 | 3282374 Raymond Reason
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I speak Russian at the advanced level, and been there many times because of my faith, achat. 

According to the Russians i know here in the US, at least half of the Russian immigrants here are Jewish, so you will get different answers from American Russians, depending upon who you ask. 

None of it matters, though.  Its all out there, in English, but i'm not here to hold your hand. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:03 | 3283809 Tompooz
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I see it like Raymond does. The Russian Orthodox patriarchy sees Al_Asad's government  as the sole protector of Syria's orthodox Christians against Muslim salafists and , by extension, sees it as Putin's and Russia's duty to support him.

BTW, the name of the port is Tartus. 

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:34 | 3280615 CompassionateFascist
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One thing for sure: he is NOT accountable to a gang of Jewish Banksters. Unlike U.S. politicians.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 06:46 | 3281100 Disenchanted
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I'm not quite so sure of that...Explain Putin's relationship with Roman Abramovich(this is the guy who parked his yacht in NYC a week or two ago). From Abramovich's Wiki page:

 

 

Vladimir Putin


Chris Hutchins, a biographer of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, describes the relationship between Russian president and Abramovich as like that between a father and a favorite son; Abramovich himself has stated that his relationship with Putin is a professional business relationship, as signified by his use of the Russian language's formal "??" (like Spanish "usted" or French "vous") in addressing Putin, as opposed to the informal "??" (Spanish "tú" or French "tu").[73]


Personal life


Family


His family was Jewish. Abramovich is a chairman of the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (which is allied with Putin's administration), and donates money to the Chabad movement.[74]

 

 

I have yet to be convinced that Putin is not just another political puppet on the world stage.

 

btw...Granted, Abramovich is not described as a banker, but I'll bet you he has many close Jewish bankster 'friends.'

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 07:08 | 3281117 Disenchanted
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Also from a 2000 BBC News article:

 

Mr Berezovsky says that oligarchs will be more powerful than ever in Putin's Russia.

"Mr Putin cannot decide there will be no oligarchs in Russia. If anything, their role will increase," he says.

 

The majority of those Russian "oligarchs" are Jewish...

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 21:58 | 3280227 IridiumRebel
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This is what happens when you start putting your dick in every ones ass. We need to return isolationist policies. I'm fucking sick of playing world police. FOCUS ON AMERICA.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:50 | 3280448 Savyindallas
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Yes! Let's liberate Amerika!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:15 | 3281001 Ropingdown
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Goodl luck with that one.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:05 | 3280240 Jack Burton
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Russia is drawing a line in the sand, and it has to do with a lot more than just Syria. We know that Syria is one of the few allies of Iran. Syria needs to be taken down to free Israel from any threat during the war against Iran. Lebanon also could be taken apart and Hezbolla eliminated if the Syrian connection is destroyed. This again frees Israel from the very real hezbolla threat during the coming war against Iran.

NATO, Israel and the USA have very much to gain by getting Syria to come over to the NATO side. Even if Syria is torn apart and is a home to Al-Qaeda, NATO sees that as better than an intact and strong Syria allied with Iran and Hezbolla.

Putin also knows Iran is the next target and a NATO controlled Iran helps complete the circle of NATO bases on Russia's borders. The west has made no secret about their biggest aim and that is to bring down the Russian central government and to foment a breakup of Russia into a series of weak states, some of which would become NATO puppets, with perhaps just a rump Russian state formed on the Moscow region. Many Neo-Con writtings detail the strong desire to take the Russian far east away from Moscow and get the USA and Japan into a controlling interest in Siberia.

Putin must draw a line or else the NATO steam roller will soon control Syria, Lebanon and have destroyed Iran while building up NATO air bases and military camps in all these nations. Putin knows they are coming for him after the entire Middle East is subject to NATO control

Putin has EVERY reason to back Assad. And the article is right, Assad may be forced into a rump state made up of non sunni Syrians. But this mini state will be a client of Russia, and I bet the Russian military is doing more than running this air defense network. I bet they are in control of the mobile surface to surface Iskander missiles. These are immune to Patriot and Iron Dome. In minutes they can destroy any target that the Russian operators want. And being mobile, I imagine Israel and NATO do not even know where they are, and if they think they do, they most likely are targeted on decoys. See the Serbian war for an insight into how Russia decoy operations defeated the NATO air war. Serbia's Amry was hardly touched by months of bombing.

Putin and NATO are playing hard ball in Syria. NATO thinks Russia will surrender again as they always have done in the past. I say that this time Putin will shoot down air craft attacking Syria and will launch Iskander against based supporting a ground campaign against Syria. Isreal knows it and so does Turkey. But the USA can sit back and goad it's puppets into taking the risks.

Putin called NATO's bluff in the SOuth Ossetia war. NATO was shocked! NATO will be even more shocked when 1/3 of it's attacking aircraft of the first wave of airstrikes on Syria gets knocked out of the sky and a barrage of Iskander hit the air fields that launched the NATO air strikes. Russia has much to lose if they surrender Syria to NATO. I think Putin will NOT cave in this time. ANd I think NATO knows it. Notice how they have NOT launched air strikes when all kinds of western politicians have cried out for an air war on Syria. An air war on Syria is an air war on Russia, as they man Syria's air defenses.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:08 | 3280263 sangell
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Russia has a GDP somewhere between the Netherlands and Italy and worse demographics. It has no world class companies ( unless you consider a state monopoly like Gazprom 'world class' and its ground forces could barely defeat Chechen militias. Take away its hydrogen bombs and its not even Brazil.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:03 | 3280499 Iocosus
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What is GDP? Finance is an invention to swindle real wealth in exchange for an idea. What is a world class company? How do they benefit anyone?

Russia has natural resources- real wealth.

The US has world class companies which owe allegiance to no sovereign and pay no taxes. Our economy is as useless as Britain's, but our GDP is 3% (2.9999% government induced).

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:22 | 3280570 oddjob
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I think you emptied the bases with that. Trot slow.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:15 | 3280999 Ropingdown
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Everybody has natural resources.  US, Canada, Brazil, China, Russia.  Natural resources are certainly great compared to fiat assets, but no substitute for the technology and manufacturing skill that turn resources into final trade goods.  Now if Germany and Russia get together for a decade, the picture will change.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:52 | 3281085 Orly
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They tried that once...the hard way.

Didn't work out.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:10 | 3280715 otto skorzeny
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putin knows that if syria falls than iran is next and he would be enveloped if iran falls.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 04:09 | 3280998 Ropingdown
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Must be tough seeing the train coming, unable to get off the tracks.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:17 | 3283015 slackrabbit
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Unless China gets involved...a gold yuan anyone?

Remember their last trade agreement excluded the US and even countried like Japan Austrailia and New Zealand signed up. Continual war is getting Asia and the Pacific worried....

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:00 | 3284143 gallistic
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Jack Burton, I agree with almost all of what you say, but the "Iskander missiles in Syria" are a suspect and disputed fact. It is very hard to separate fact from fiction and propaganda, but I have looked at this with all information available to the layman, and I am fairly certain the Iskanders have not been delivered.

Iskanders are vicious and absolute game-changers.

A previously scheduled sale to Syria of Iskanders, MiG-31Es, S-300s and Pantsir-C1 did not take place.

Around December 2012, there was a (planted?) single-source article with no demonstrable evidence in a truly obscure publication stating that Russia had delivered Iskanders to Syria just hours after Patriot missiles arrived in Turkey. This single-source was picked up by the fly by night "news" and pro-Israel organizations (Wurlitzer factory types), then passed along as fact for awhile, before going to the secondary players and the mainstream mouthpieces.

As you surely know, this is commonly used to build critical mass and "credibility" for disinformation, and that is what it seems to be as far as I can tell.

The key players (Russia, Rosoboronexport, et al.) have all openly denied the delivery of the Iskanders. They have not, however, denied selling air defense systems.

I sincerely encourage anyone interested in this to dig in, try go to the absolute true source of that "fact", and marvel at the circular reporting.

It just might lead you to the "mouth of Mossad"...

There have been other, credible reports of S-300 and PantsirC-1 deliveries to Syria. Russia has confirmed that air defense systems have been delivered, and has been very vocal (and absolutely correct) about the "defensive nature of these systems".

And so far, "no fly zones" do not exist over sovereign Syrian skies. They are clear from the heroic and brave NATO Demi-God liberators who obliterate unjust "terrists" humans from way up in the clouds...

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Here are some mainstream links to get started for anyone going on a scavenger hunt

Rosoboronexport denying sales of Iskander- http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c32/648596.html

Fly by night, incorrect info site- http://hainanwel.com/en/top-news/2585-iskander.html

Pretty good Pravda article on Syria air defenses- http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/conflicts/07-01-2013/123392-syria_assa...

Russia defending their anti-air weapons sales- http://www.voanews.com/content/russia_defends_arms_sale_to_syria_blasts_...

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:13 | 3280286 q99x2
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Putin is an American patriot.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:23 | 3280336 stant
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well if we had someone like him. id still be driving that thing in my avatar, with no concerns. and not on zh

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:04 | 3280904 Albertarocks
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Did you mean Jack Burton's avatar?

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:36 | 3280392 New_Meat
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being lectured by the Swedes and Russians on fiscal responsibility ...

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:46 | 3280426 Savyindallas
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When will he come liberate this country? I watch and listen to RT (Russia Today) for some hope that we Americans can one day be freed. I'm tired of being ruled by Internationalist Banksters and their corrupt minions in Washington. .

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:18 | 3280542 Jack Burton
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Me too Savyindallas. America is an occupied nation, occupied by international finance and bankers. I listen to RT and oddly enough they offer more real news than all the US cable channels put together. Imagine that!

We Americans need liberation. We should liberate ourselves, but the giant American military and nationa security state will crush any attempt to restore freedom and democracy to this nation. The powerful elites have all the major weapons systems an an Army of government secret police. "!984" is coming true in America.

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:39 | 3280631 CompassionateFascist
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Negative. The Regime is the Titanic. We are the Ocean, and the Iceberg. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 01:49 | 3280892 W74
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Al Jezerra isn't all that bad either, actually.  You only get blunt facts with them, sorta like what Reuters and the Associated Press USED to be.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:01 | 3281149 moonstears
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RT is Russian propoganda for the USA, Al Jizz is US propoganda for the ME!(Like lots of the stories too, grain of salt though)

(p.s. And FB is how the CIA see's "wassup" with you, girl!")

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:21 | 3281054 Karl von Bahnhof
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Indeed if you study support of Russian naval fleet during US civil war.

Shame that US and Rusiia (and European) patriots cannot work together. we are the same race, similar culture. Really best of breed. 

All what the octopus is doing last 300 years is turnig us each against other (US patriotic war, WW1, WW2, cold war, war on "terror" etc...)

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-occult-symbolism-of-the-2012-olympics-opening-and-closing-ceremonies/

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 22:38 | 3280401 Divine Wind
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Assad is finished. It is merely a matter of time.

At present, Assad and close advisers spend each night on a Russian warship. He is flown to the palace in Damascus each day. This, because he does not trust his security apparatus.

These are easy enough to bring down with the right assets. Soon enough, Assad will assume room temperature and the country will be carved up.

 

Then again, Isaiah 17 talks about Damascus being reduced to a 'heap of ruin' and ceasing to be a city. Since it is the longest continuously running city on the planet, this has not yet happened.

Just sayin...

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:21 | 3280564 Jack Burton
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Obama is finished. He spends the nights on a Chinese warship and flys back to his white palace during the day. There he works to ship all America's jobs and technology to China before he and all the American 1% 'ers finally fly off to their paradise of free markets "The People's Republic of China". After all, the American elite are perfect examples of Chinese Communists. The Chinese system is what they admire and worship and want to turn America into a model of Chinese communist capitialism.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:05 | 3280702 otto skorzeny
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I long to breath the beautiful air of Bejing

Tue, 02/26/2013 - 23:47 | 3280661 W74
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He who controls the Heartland controls the World Island.  He who controls the World Island controls the World.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:01 | 3280902 Albertarocks
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Huh?  Was that Confucius?  Donald Trump?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:25 | 3281058 Karl von Bahnhof
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W74 +1

Key imperative of our times. All the rest (FED, Dollar, stock market, Gold price etc...) is only secondary to that. Just tools to get that above.

ZHedgers shoul read Brzezinskis...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:02 | 3280696 Schmuck Raker
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Google maps tells me there's about 3(three) Walmarts within a twenty mile radius of Moscow.

Question: Is it easier to find 9mm rounds in Moscow than anywhere in America?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 00:07 | 3280710 otto skorzeny
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I don't know about that but the Russkies still make alot of $ off of the ammo they sell in the US- I mean like hundreds of millions.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:45 | 3280937 dunce
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Power abhors a vacuum, obama can dismantle and with draw, but Russia or China will move in and take over. The changes will be nearly impossible to reverse.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 02:47 | 3280939 Lord Of Finance
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The useful fool Obama is putty in Putin's hand and Putin knows it regarding missle defense.

 

   Medvedev: "I will transmit this information to Vladimir."

 

  Those words by the former Russian prez must have sounded like some secret coded reconaissance speech to our comrad in chief. Obama got a tingle going down his own leg when Medvedev said the name Vladimir. If Obama has highest admiration for a dirtbag like Alinsky, who had highest admiration for another guy named Vladimir, then it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that Obama has at least some admiration for the "other" Vladimir. I bet that the exchange Obama had with Medvedev brought Obama back to his childhood fantasies of being a secret agent for the "other" dirtbag whose last name was Lenin.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 03:20 | 3280959 Kirk2NCC1701
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Dear Felix, your article is a repackaging of numerous blog comments on ZH -- my own included.  No wonder I like it.  I hear and smell the sizzle, but where is the steak?  

Profiling aside, the real value of this article that I see, is that it keeps reminding people what the American and Israeli objectives are in regards to the Middle East and Russia itself:  A relentless march of the NWO crowd toward victory over Russia and China, by using the USD and its MIC as tools and weapons. 

If Assad and Syria falls, it's close to game over for Russia, because then the stakes would have to be raised so much higher in the defense of Iran, and then defense of itself. 

/Too bad they don't have their own version of Al-CIA-dah, to stir the global pot and cause real grief for USSA.  Abroad and at home.  It's a bitch not having a Global Reserve Currency (GRC) to finance global expansion.  Guess they'll have to play... "defensive hockey"?  Or is it "Chess without the Queen"?/sarc

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 05:51 | 3281082 El Crusty
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/Too bad they don't have their own version of Al-CIA-dah, to stir the global pot and cause real grief for USSA. Abroad and at home. It's a bitch not having a Global Reserve Currency (GRC) to finance global expansion. Guess they'll have to play... "defensive hockey"? Or is it "Chess without the Queen"?/sarc

the thing is the Russians dont need the Al-CIA-dah boogie man excuse to make a play, they will just do whatever it is they intend to do, look us straight in the eyes and say " you got a problem with that comrade?" as an example look at how they deal with chechnyian ( however you spell that) rebels. they dont negotiate, try to win the hearts and minds of the people, they shoot them, level their homes and pick up a piece of burning debris off the ground to light thier cigarette with and the same "you got a problem with that comrade?" look is on thier face the whole time.

the Russians arent really in a position where they need to play defensive hockey- they control most of the natural gas that keeps europe warm and powers the factories. they can very effectively hurt us by shutting off the gas flow to europe, because that would cause the EU economy to really crash hard, which would have a domino effect on ours.

like Vladomir Harkonnen said " He who controls the spice controls the universe!"  just replace the word "spice" with whatever vital natural resource you please.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 06:55 | 3281107 22winmag
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Go ahead... keep underestimating Russia's military capabilities... until one or two of these babies blows your supercarrier out of the water.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkval

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:27 | 3281172 Hannibal
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Cnn,Fox,Cnbc are Amerika's corp propaganda megaphones for Govt.Inc/Pentagon.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 08:39 | 3281209 kralizec
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This is news?

(Yawn)

Vlad stroking himself does nothing for me.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 09:04 | 3281251 Crassus
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Iran has never found the Russians trustworthy and seldom useful. The "Arab Spring", like most Arab movements has an anti Shiite component. Russia's support for Assad alienates and angers the Sunnite regions and puts Moscow in allegiance with mercurial secular leaders in Tehran and bombastic religious leaders in Qom. What was 1st prize?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:15 | 3283647 SmittyinLA
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What is it, Bullshit cold war nostalgia day? 

Are we supposed to forget Russia jettisoned Saddam, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan? 

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