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China Launches New Stealth Frigate

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China has been busy reverse engineering military equipment again, this time of the maritime variety, as it launches its first stealth frigate. Supposedly this will make incidents such as this month's "radar lock" tension over the Senkaku islands a thing of the past, as by the time Chinese boats want to be seen, they will be visible with the naked eye. The only question is whose secret plans were hacked in the procurement of the design plans. From BBC: "China's navy has taken delivery of the first of a new kind of stealth frigate, as tension continues with neighbouring countries over maritime borders. The Type 056 stealth frigate has a sleek design that helps it evade radar detection, and needs just one-third of the crew used by its predecessor." Needless to say, the timing of the launch is "just right", and will serve to underscore China's position on the disputed gas field next to several barren islands in the East China Sea.

More from CBS:

The People's Liberation Army Navy is building a total of 20 Type 056 Jiangdao class frigates to replace older models and bolster its ability to conduct patrols and escort ships and submarines in waters it claims in the South China and East China seas.

 

The first in the class, No. 582, was formally delivered to the navy on Monday in Shanghai, which is home to one of the country's largest complexes of naval shipyards, according to the official Xinhua News Agency and the navy's official website.

 

Newly promoted navy commander Wu Shengli attended the delivery ceremony, the reports said, an indication of the importance with which the service regards the new ships' mission.

 

The helicopter-equipped ships feature a sleek design to reduce clutter and make them harder to spot by radar and are armed with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. They also need a crew of just 60, two-thirds fewer than older vessels, a major advantage that should boost efficiency and relieve burdens in training and recruitment. At 1,440 tons fully loaded, is considerably smaller than U.S. Navy frigates, and is categorized by some observers as a member of the smaller class of ship known as corvettes.

 

China's navy has so far stayed aloof from the island disputes in order to avoid further escalating tensions, with patrol ships from the Ministry of Transportation and other government agencies dispatched instead to assert China's territorial claims.

 

However, China has made no secret of its desire to extend its navy's global reach, and the service has received considerable attention in China's military modernization. China's first aircraft carrier, the overhauled Soviet-era Liaoning, entered service last year, while a growing array of nuclear submarines and ultra-modern surface ships are also joining the fleet.

 

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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:49 | 3281824 Nolsgrad
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:57 | 3281849 moonstears
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Classic media blunder ...that was a luxery sub-marine, disguised as a boat, sneaky Chinamen!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:00 | 3281863 The Juggernaut
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What happens when China's Military-Industrial Complex is bigger than America's Military-Industrial Complex?  Will China's honey be sweeter thus sway contries easier than America's honey?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:08 | 3281900 MillionDollarBonus_
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All this fighting ... when will nations unite in peace to form a global government, and these wars altogether? We desperately need a new world order. The fighting just has to stop. Collectively, if we work together we can create something great as a species. One thing I find interesting is how the brightest foreign students flock to America's Ivy League colleges, only to disappear into top governmental and corporate positions in their own countries. If we collectivism these expertise in a single global government, we can all benefit from the economic and social planning of these global leaders. Global governance is no longer just a dream - it's now a real possibility, but global leaders need to get serious if we want to see it in our lifetimes.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:30 | 3281911 The Juggernaut
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@MillionDollarBonus_:Centralized planning?  You would, you megalomaniac ivy league shyte wipe.  You may have went to Harvard, Yale, Oxy whatever.   But you never understood your ass from your elbow. 

The future is flat government.  Everyone represents themselves.  Government's know about inalienable rights but still want the responsibilities of those rights.  Thats why you vote for some fuck face and send them to DC in hopes they won't sell their worthless souls to corporations.  The future is inalienable responsibility for inalienable rights.  No more voting for turncoats.  The responsibility is no longer in DC, its in your actions.  This will permanently give every sovereign person their Liberty.  They will be able to govern themselves and rely on local community for help.  Moreover, private businesses would care for people not governments.  Because corps. rely on profits, in essence demand.  Unlike governments, if the businesses ruin their demand they go bankrupt.  Gov't is just a wild enabling beast.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:41 | 3282076 Manthong
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It’s just a good thing for them that it is invisible to satellites, produces no magnetic anomaly and leaves no  infrared, sound, or particulate discharge footprint otherwise we could find it.  

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:44 | 3282096 gmrpeabody
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In fact..., it's so invisible that we have to take their word for it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:07 | 3282183 Ahmeexnal
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Seems like China has succesfuly reverse engineered the Philadelphia Experiment.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:21 | 3282280 TruthInSunshine
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This thing is about as stealthy as Warren Buffett farting in the bathtub (whilst deciding to buy or sell BAC preferred shares & warrants).

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:14 | 3281923 Acet
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Aaah, yes ...

Peace on Earth!

Dogs & cats, lions & sheep together in harmony!

The world covered in Unicorns, Fairies and Rainbows!

The Heavenly music of the Spheres surrounding us all!

The ignorance, naked greed and abuse of your fellow man, all a thing of the past!

...

And then I came down from the Magic Mushroom overdose and had a massive headache.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:11 | 3282191 nofluer
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Re: "Million$bonus"

Sounds like he's been smoking the bad shit, not the good stuff. Maybe someone should call 911 for him and see if the EMTs have a head extractor.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:14 | 3281930 Ralph Spoilsport
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Collectivisming these expertises is difficult when the language gets in the way.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:15 | 3281933 prains
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MDB

 

I'm not to sure you can float either

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:21 | 3281958 Acet
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Well, given that a million dollars is all fiat, overwelmingly of the paper variety, he/she probably can float.

Not true for most of us, who went trough the unfortunate experience of having to let go of our, hard-earned wealth during boating accidents since it was of the heavy, non-floating variety and we would've died if we kept holding on to it. So sad :(

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:16 | 3281941 McMolotov
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If we collectivism these expertise...

Lay off the bath salts, dude.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:40 | 3282070 LynRobison
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Yesterday you were extolling the virtues of democracy. Which is it MDB, nation-based democracy or global government?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:39 | 3282287 trollin4sukrz
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MDB!! Great to see you are back! Excellent troll btw. I am in agreement with you, a NWO is exactly what the world needs to relieve it from 6 to 7 billion parasites. The day is coming being from man or nature but we as a specie have massive overshoot.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:44 | 3282561 twh99
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World Government!?!   No thank you.

The world has enough problems already with the governments that exist now.  I cannot imagine what a world government would look like. 

Oh wait I can, just look at how well the UN is managed.

 

Next thing you know.  MDB will be proponent of having a mark put on your hand or forehead to facilitate financial transactions.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:05 | 3282659 Blano
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Just seeing your name pop up makes me chuckle now.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:49 | 3282890 reTARD
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Great post MDB! Bullish on NWO, collectivism, American universities, and "just right" timing. LOL

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:42 | 3283517 thisandthat
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Keep dreaming...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:56 | 3281844 waterwitch
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What the hell is an army navy?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:14 | 3281927 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What the hell is an army navy?

It's like an army air force, except in the water.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:02 | 3282163 akak
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Make me laugh.

This Chinese citizenism army navy stearth fligate only latest means of Communist 'chinese' monolizing the resource blobbing-up means.  Senkaku Islands only stepping-on stones to downing the road Communist 'chinese' invasionism of Japanese home islands.  Just like in 1950s Tibet, Communist 'chinese' citizenism citizens will mind up some rationalization for invasion and annexation of Japan --- maybe savioring them from eating of raw fish, perhaps?  Yes, much so better to consumptionalize kitten McNuggets, General Tso's puppy, and human fetus broth with lotus roots!

Yep, stearthalizing fligates for futures invasionings are part and package of typical Communist 'chinese' citizenism.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:31 | 3282497 straightershooter
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HA! Try this.

"People's liberation Army"  is really not army per se, but rather equivalent to the Pentagon or Department of Defense in the US.

So, it makes sense to have People's liberation Army- Navy, that means Pentangon-Navy; then of course, you got People's liberation Army-Army. Got it! Army is not really army per se, it got numerous meanings.

 

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Free download today. Gonna blow your mind away!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:26 | 3281990 kaiserhoff
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A classic football game.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:15 | 3282206 nofluer
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An "Army - Navy" is THE football game of the year, usually played the first Saturday of December wherein the tradition is that the Army regularly gets it's butt kicked.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:57 | 3281845 Aegelis
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Super easy to find because all the sailors have iPhones.  I hear we have drones that can make you sing, "I got a rocket in my pocket!"

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:57 | 3281847 BandGap
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Frigettes the size of corvettes? Sound rike they have size probrem.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:15 | 3281932 Acet
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I'm pretty sure their anti-air and anti-ship missiles are still full-size.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:00 | 3283970 mjcOH1
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And made in China.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:18 | 3281949 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Frigettes the size of corvettes? Sound rike they have size probrem.

Ah, ah, dietation supprementariness with powdered rhino horn, bear penis, and shark fin soup providing required magic ingredients for mastodonic growth, up to 2cm.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:24 | 3281978 Ralph Spoilsport
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AnAnonymouse put saltpeter in you egg roll if you no stop!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:41 | 3282295 The_Dude
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Where is the crab pot launcher?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | 3282662 akak
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They just hang it over the sides of the ship --- you know, like they do on their roadsides.

 

Oh, wait, I thought you said "the crap pot launcher"!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:19 | 3281954 Theta_Burn
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Personally i can't wait for the "dildoe" class of frigate, slightly larger than this class, and just as able to quickly get in and out of hairy situations.

Seriously a frigate? wouldn't a submarine program be better money spent? I suppose they will make excellent rescue boats...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:40 | 3282067 Joe Davola
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Probably that goofy salesman from the commercials lured them in with incentives.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:54 | 3282911 laomei
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The era of building big boats is over, or at least it should be.  They are nothing more than giant slow-moving targets.  Small fast boats with better systems is where it's at.

 

The only possible exception is aircraft carriers, but drone carriers will be the next big thing anyways.  Dog fighting is a thing of the past, pilots are expensive to train and only come into play when/if com and satlinks go down.  A nice backup to keep on hand, but that level of warfare escalation would result in the shortest war ever fought and no one would really be able to claim that they "won" it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:48 | 3283540 thisandthat
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A quick look at wikipedia would tell CBS it's a corvette, but why'd they care?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:57 | 3281852 HL Shancken
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By Jeff Nyquist

 

Authenticating China’s Strategy: Letter to a friend

The following commentary should be appended to a discussion of the alleged speech of General Chi Haotian about destroying and invading the United States: In this regard you suggest (1) that the speech is a hoax. This is entirely possible, although close analysis tends in another direction. Strategy is my subject and my life-longstudy. Believe it or not, it is possible in strategy to know certain things indirectly, by inference and analysis. After careful consideration, with regard to the speeches attributed to General Chi, I think it is unwise to say “we don’t know” and “it doesn’t matter.” In fact, it’s not impossible to analyze a document to determine its authenticity. Here is a task entirely within the reach of a strategic analyst. Furthermore, if the document is authentic then it matters a great deal; for the enemy’s intentions are laid bare, with countless implications (and potential war-winning insights). When we first encounter an unfamiliar text, we don’t know how to judge it. We are completely lost, and this is normal. Those who claim to understand something on first contact are deceiving themselves. Nothing worth knowing is understood immediately. When I first read the two speeches attributed to General Chi Haotian my reaction was to dismiss them as you did. When I read the first paragraph of the second speech, I rolled my eyes and laughed at what seemed to be an obvious fraud. At first reading they were not credible. (This is the same reaction I had to Golitsyn in 1984). Two years elapsed and, as chance would have it, I was doing some research on Mao Zedong’s strategic ideas. In the midst of this research I was stunned by Mao’s determination to build a fleet and invade North America. I was also struck by the brutality and cynicism of his statements. I went back and started re-reading Sun Tzu and the commentaries on Sun Tzu. My mind suddenly drifted back to the two speeches attributed to General Chi Haotian.

On my second reading I realized these speeches are only incredible from a Western point of view. From a Chinese strategist’s point of view, these speeches are consistent with 2,500 years of Chinese history and thought. There is nothing inauthentic in these two speeches. If they are a hoax, then a genius produced them. More than that, this aforesaid genius possesses authentic tidbits of military intelligence that are not known by the general public — but were revealed to me by a high-ranking Russian military defector with more than three years experience in China. Mao once said that the first Chin emperor was nothing compared with himself. The first Chin emperor only killed a thousand Confucian scholars. Mao had killed hundreds of thousands of Confucian scholars. This was Mao’s boast. Such boasting is unknown to Western history, except to figures who are dismissed as madmen. One is reminded of the Chinese warlord whose father was taken prisoner and held hostage by a rival. In this instance, the rival threatened to boil the old man alive. The war lord sent his reply: “Save me some of the soup.” One has to dig through the Dark Ages of Western history to find anything like it. Or else it is something from the history of Caligula or Nero or Eliagabulus, who were considered dreadful failures and misfits. In China such behavior on the part of leaders has long been normalized. The Western ethic, which followed from the hero-worship of the ancient Greeks and Romans, places nobility as the true standard of greatness.

Chinese civilization places a high premium on realistic thinking, brutality and success. This is greatness in the Chinese context. How does this point argue the authenticity of the alleged speeches of General Chi? A person who disagrees with the strategic culture of China, favoring freedom and humane government, doesn’t possess the mentality needed to reproduce such a brilliant piece of mimicry. One would have to be a student of Sun Tzu and the Chin emperor and Mao Zedong, not a student of Thomas Jefferson or Lincoln. Such a student would not value freedom, having absorbed a philosophy entirely at odds with Western culture. More than that, it is a culture that believes in the West’s weakness and inevitable fall. If you were going to advance a fraudulent speech by a Chinese communist leader, would you dare put into his mouth the statement that Nazi Germany was “too soft”? Would you dare open your first paragraph with the assertion that you are pleased that 80 percent of Chinese polled would approve killing women and children in a war? Anyone with the sophistication to produce this document would have avoided going so far, fearing that the reader would laugh out loud at such an obvious propaganda fraud. Only a simple person would start Chi’s second speech with that kind of paragraph, and a simple person did not compose this speech!

To make a credible fraud, you have to downplay the wickedness of the Communists. You must be subtle in your presentation so that the fraud has a chance to sound credible. But the Chi speech is not subtle as a fraudulent presentation would have to be. Instead, it is deep and profound and brilliant in its totalitarian perspective. The compassion for the American victims comes late in the second speech, long after the skeptics would’ve stopped reading it. I do not know if the speech is genuine. But if I had to lay a bet, then I’d wager on its authenticity. That is to say, I suspect it is authentic. And the way to test its authenticity is to see if Chinese actions are consistent with its program. There is something more, as well. I know from my discussions with a Russian defector that Russia and China agreed to split North America between them as follows: Russia would get Alaska and parts of Canada, while China would get the lower 48 states (which contains the best land). The agreement on this was affirmed by the Russian General Staff in early 1992. This joint agreement on a future wa ragainst America is the basis for the Sino-Russian alliance. And if you read General Chi’s speech carefully, you will see that he brilliantly lays out the logic of the Chinese offensive and their means of advancing. He does not mention Russia’s role because Party cadres don’t need to know about Russia’s military contribution. They only need the most general strategic outline and why the war is necessary. You must read this speech several times in order to understand its profound science. If this speech is counterfeit, the counterfeiter spent many years devising it. In fact, a hoax of this type could only be produced, as I noted before, by a genuis. If General Chi was not the author, then the author should be a general — and ought to have General Chi’s job.

In point (2) you mention 9/11. Chi’s speech explains why a false flag terror attack is necessary in advance of a biological warfare offensive against the United States. As would be proper, General Chi gives nothing away. He merely implies that the Americans will not know who is really attacking them. This is intrinsic to his speech, even though he doesn’t spare words explaining why. In point (3) you ask if this is good propaganda material against communism. Since our goal is to understand the enemy, the propaganda value is of secondary importance. 

 

http://jrnyquist.com/

The collapse of the Soviet Union was staged. Understand the moves of Russia and China in the correct light.

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:27 | 3281996 Ralph Spoilsport
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Hadn't heard that one before. Appropriate too.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:29 | 3282009 HL Shancken
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Appropriate for juveniles.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:32 | 3282025 Ralph Spoilsport
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And thin skinned academics!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:04 | 3282176 akak
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Is there any other kind?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:26 | 3281994 HL Shancken
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Excerpts from Chinese General Chi Haotion speech cited above:

...."It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths. But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we'd have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. That is because, after all, we are Chinese and members of the CCP. Since the day we joined the CCP, the Party's life has always been above all else! History will prove that we made the right choice.".....

 

 

...."Certainly, in spreading Comrade He Xin's views, we cannot publish the article in the party newspapers, in order to avoid raising the enemy's vigilance. He Xin's conversation may remind the enemy that we have grasped the modern science and technology, including "clean" nuclear technology, gene weapons technology as well as biological weapons technology, and we can use powerful measures to eliminate their population on a large-scale."....

 

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

 

Understand the world as it is---not how it is presented. Discard your old thinking. Look at the world a whole new way. Why cling to disproven representations of events? Are you suicidal? Read the short article below. It won't take five minutes of your time. It describes reality.

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:28 | 3282003 Ralph Spoilsport
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Ah, he's pimping a blogsite. Shoulda guessed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:30 | 3282010 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Understand the world as it is---not how it is presented.

That would be good advice for J.R. Nyquist. He thinks Brezhnev is still running the Kremlin.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:34 | 3282037 HL Shancken
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What is your interest in making a mockery of such a serious subject as United States defense vis a vis the threat posed by fellow superpowers China and Russia?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:05 | 3282179 Shell Game
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The only threat is Statism and Empire.  In order to keep your preciuos status quo, you would have the US further debase its currency, further wage cyber-warfare, further wage the propaganda of the Big Lie, further bomb brown skins, replace sovereign regimes and monetize their private property, spy on their own citizens, etc...

You can take your empire and place it not so gently up your garbage shoot.  

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:16 | 3282211 HL Shancken
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Yours is the type of post written by an angry adolescent upon first learning about Lysander Spooner. Nevermind that what it presupposes about me personally is far from accurate, it is remarkable in that it bears so many hallmarks of Russian anti-US propaganda. It is entirely infromed by that influence, from the impetus to go off on such a tangent to the content of the diatribe itself. The fact that it is so confused is not, however, remarkable, as by now confusion  reigns even among intelligent minds, so your incoherence is certainly no surprise.

 

I'm curious, have you ever watched Yuri Bezmenov on Youtube? Here is a good, short clip that, even if you've seen it before, should be watched again. The information should be seared on your brain.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:04 | 3282395 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yours is the type of post written by a trembling paranoiac haunted by the "threats" posed by the imaginary phantoms of the USSR and Red China.

The biggest threat to the US has always been, and remains, the swampland on the Potomac known as Vichy DC.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:18 | 3282450 Ralph Spoilsport
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Better watch it or he'll sear some more information onto your brain.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:48 | 3282574 akak
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Ah, I love the smell of seared neurons in the morning!

 

(AnAnonymous' posts usually giving me my daily fix in that regard.)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:06 | 3282669 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

Ah, I love the smell of seared neurons in the morning!

(AnAnonymous' posts usually giving me my daily fix in that regard.)

He was in rare form this morning on the article about Dimon. The neurons are still warm.

(I'll bet he still hasn't finished the laundry, though.)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:18 | 3282452 akak
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Agreed.

Americans' freedoms are FAR more threatened by their own feral federal government than by the wildly overblown dangers of cave-dwelling fanatics who have been largely made such fanatics by the depredations upon their homelands by that same US federal government via its interventionism and military adventurism in places that posed no threat to the USA in the first place, but which were merely convenient stepping-stones on the road to empire.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:22 | 3282218 akak
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Shancken, the problem is that currently there is virtually no such thing as "US defense" --- almost all the military actions of the US armed forces during the last 65 years are and have been offensive in nature, explicitly furthering a bloated, unsustainable and morally bankrupt worldwide American empire which is NOT in the best interests of the average American, but which only serves to advance the political agendas of power-hungry sociopaths such as the diabolical neocons with their PNAC wet dreams of US world hegemony and world conquest, as well as the financial agendas of their 'defense' contractor cronies.  Current US foreign policy is a perversion of EVERY principle on which this nation was orginally founded.

You can take your militaristic scaremongering and shove it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:31 | 3282259 HL Shancken
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You can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Do you think that John Kerry is not a secret Communist Party member? Obama? Panetta? the Clintons? Do you not think that John Boehner and many of his Party are not at the very least compromised?

 

It is so vitally important that you take seriously the concept that the collapse of the Soviet Union was not at all as it appeared, that it was a deception. When evidence compiles that indicate that indeed it was a deception, the implied questions having to do with self-survival must be answered. This is why it so important for me to work with you to break through this false construct known as your worldview. Once you truly get outside you can look in and see with great clarity.  As it stands right now your mind is a jumbled mess.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:56 | 3282361 akak
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This is why it so important for me to work with you to break through this false construct known as your worldview.

Then by all mean, enlighten me, if you feel that you now know, after one post, the entirety of my worldview.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:07 | 3282412 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Anyone still worried about "the communist threat" is chugging vintage 1950s paranoia kool-aid.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:14 | 3282432 akak
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I don't know, FourthStooge --- I think I might be smelling the odor of a running dog capitalist roader imperialist lackey.

On the other hand, I have to wonder how many Chinese still daily carry, and quote from, the Little Red Book.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:18 | 3282453 TheFourthStooge-ing
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akak said:

I don't know, FourthStooge --- I think I might be smelling the odor of a running dog capitalist roader imperialist lackey.

I think that's over in the comments section of the Jamie Dimon article.

On the other hand, I have to wonder how many Chinese still daily carry, and quote from, the Little Red Book.

Ah, ah, Mao book of small redness very handy for roadside "reading". Not as absorbent as two-ply tissue, but sparing the dung hand of night soil.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:24 | 3282470 akak
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Ah, ah, Mao book of small redness very handy for roadside "reading". Not as absorbent as two-ply tissue, but sparing the dung hand of night soil.

Woohoo, make me laugh!  Much still being of capital offense the roadside nightsoiling of pages of Mousy Tongue petite crimson publication of glorious Communist Long March of Insanitation fabled past, making of such results for bullet to head and bill to family thereforeof.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:40 | 3282546 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ralph Spoilsport said:

I had the record album version:

http://www.freecodesource.com/album-covers/B0006TPI02--matching-mole-lit...

Hahaha! I didn't think anyone else had heard of Matching Mole. Good stuff if you like Caravan or Hatfield and the North.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:20 | 3282463 Ralph Spoilsport
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After some rhetorical analysis, I'd bet this guy is a Lyndon Larouche acolyte.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:23 | 3282472 akak
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I'll take that bet.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:12 | 3282433 Seer
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"It is so vitally important that you take seriously the concept that the collapse of the Soviet Union was not at all as it appeared, that it was a deception."

It is vitally important that people don't confuse something for something else.

Yes, there are ALWAYS hidden forces at play.  HOWEVER, a shitty systems IS a SHITTY SYSTEM, and shitty systems will ALWAYS FAIL!  Saying that the hidden forces were responsible for the (apparent) "failure" is like saying that the tsunami was responsible for the failure of the reactors at Fukushima: the "failure" was the design, it was only a matter of time before some tsunami would have fucked it all up- BAD SYSTEM!

"Do you not think that John Boehner and many of his Party are not at the very least compromised?"

Apparently you're new to the game of life... POWER CORRUPTS!  The very creation of a center of power ENSURES corruption.  And you're lobbying to help keep this afloat?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:46 | 3282567 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Seer said:

Apparently you're new to the game of life... POWER CORRUPTS!  The very creation of a center of power ENSURES corruption.  And you're lobbying to help keep this afloat?

Exactly. People like this are so obsessed with the 'commies' that they haven't noticed that their irrational fear has led to the authoritarian nightmare which the 'commies' were going to impose.

"so afraid of the Russians..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVf7m_YZ2zY

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:49 | 3282579 akak
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"We had to kill the Constitution in order to save it."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:21 | 3282740 akarc
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There are two Nuclear Power plants in California, the San Onofre Nuclear Generating station and the Diablo Canyon Power plant.  Both are built on/or near Earthquake fault zones. Both are near the Ocean. Both have design flaws. Yet at least one, the The Diablo Canyon plant, due to a Supreme Court decision was not even required to submit an Earthquake response plan.  Since the Diablo plant was built, a new fault line has been discovered less than a mile from the plant.  The original plans accounted for a fault that was 3 miles from the plant?

Just sayin.....

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:07 | 3283295 dark_matter
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Are you the same HL Schancken who posted this http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1747491/pg1?

Title is "Was Zerohedge Created as a Communist/KGB Front?"

"Once you truly get outside you can look in and see with great clarity."

I don't know what your game is but your prose doesn't sound American.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:17 | 3283432 akak
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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1747491/pg1?

Whoa, that is some craptastically whacked-up paranoia there!

Never mind that it is 25+ years outdated, too --- "the USSR", LOL!

I'm surprised he doesn't go on just as much, or more, about the "Red Chinese".

Maybe his time machine only travels to Indo-European destinations.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:25 | 3283462 fuu
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Reminds me of JW in FL.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:33 | 3283486 akak
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For me, most of what JW writes is just a bunch of random and disconnected phrases, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:31 | 3282022 Broomer
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If you say that imagery of violence is seen as a sign of strength, this might be simply posturing for public consumption. Much like politicians in America pretending to be pious Christians.

I'm not saying that it would be impossible, so I decided to check your links. Then at the Nyquist's site the first thing I see is an interview on how prophecies are real.

I have mixed feelings about your post. No arrows for you, and thanks for the interesting reading.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:44 | 3282093 HL Shancken
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The speech was published online by the Epoch Times, a Catholic "end times" site which runs many such news items as the General's speech. Given the dubious view most have about sites such as Epoch Times, it is easy to dismiss the speech, or in your case, cast aspersions on a very serious topic having nothing to do with Catholic end times or prophecy by use of guilt by association. I must advise against this, of course. Jeff Nyquist, Anatoliy Golitsyn, Jan Sejna, Yuri Bezmenov, and other  very intelligent people are the leads you have been given to something very important. That you are inclined to be dismissive because a serving General of the Chinese Red Army had his speech turn up on a strange website is disappointing.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:57 | 3282624 fuu
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124 weeks 13 total posts, 9 today. I doubt your sincerity.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:03 | 3282650 akak
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Interesting.

One does have to wonder about these "sleeper" members here --- this is certainly not the first such one that has popped up, and their eventual posting sprees seem to follow a similar pattern.

"Remember, Dmitri, miles to go before you sleep .... "

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | 3282674 fuu
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It's the new Teach The ControversyTM approach.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:10 | 3282985 Divine Wind
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Since I am around more often, I will second his recommendation that the authors not be dismissed out of hand.

ZH has piles of highly intelligent followers, a vast majority of whom rarely speak.

To dismiss them because of a particular theme of a website they might own, or because of their rare appearances, demonstrates sophistry and arrogance.

Their warnings and advice are spot on. You would do well to ponder and heed their words.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:48 | 3283142 fuu
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Should I just skip the Nostradamus section?

Like I said, teach the controversy, no one is stopping you.

The Sophists were wonderful people.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:19 | 3283855 thisandthat
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Yes, you should: Nostradamus wasn't prophecizing, was historycizing...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:18 | 3283249 The Heart
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"Their warnings and advice are spot on. You would do well to ponder and heed their words."

Closer and closer we as a nation of lemmings for the slaughter come to our fate in the not to distant future. We have seen many stupendous things happen, and great events in this time of the country’s history. We have survived two world wars, but will America survive the next world war with china and russia? Every single media distraction from this question is just a means towards this end.

The time is coming close to America’s turn to be wiped off the map by the same evil that planed and profited from the first two world wars. These banksters have set up china to be the next money engine and gave them all the power, money, and technology via the traitors in the US govt that have sold out to the babylonian empire of the god money. They have sold out America by setting her up to slaughtered by the red hoards, and russians that are now at the borders and all over in underground bases ready to emerge. They are very close now to invading after the coming calamities, and declared states of martial law.

http://newswithviews.com/Craig/roberts6.htm

The evil of this well planed world domination and population reduction war agenda has long been known about. It has been seen coming because of the corruption and criminality of the politicians that have turned against the American People, while profiting from the useless wars that have now depleted America to the bones of defenselessness. What these traitorous evil cretins have not calculated in to their plans is the chinese and russians will come in under the guise of bringing “order” to the purposely divided up country, and then take it for themselves. The well executed conquering methodologies that have been described here over and over again are about to be used to trigger these cascading events that will result in the death of America. It might begin with the banksters purposely executed economic crash that could come around March 13th, 2013, but lets hope it won’t.

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/invasion.html

Say that again, death of America.

This all could begin within the next month or months ahead by using the well planed collapse as an excuse to bring in all the foreign troops to quell the seditious angry Americans. Part of the Deal with the chinese to give the bushes and clintons all the money to fight baseless useless wars for their profits, was that they were to make sure all the American people were disarmed first through false flag event based proclamations BEFORE they invaded the country. That was the change everyone wanted so badly. All is going according to the globalist plans and we are now seeing the gun control laws being implemented.

If you live anywhere in America, this is YOUR future we are talking about people. It will be YOUR families on the west coasts and border states that will be taken out first and mercilessly killed by the hoards of chinese for the banksters profits. It will be YOUR children slaughtered in front of your disbelieving eyes first. This is YOU if you live in any big city as they will be the first to go. There will be nowhere to run or hide from the invading armies from all borders. It will be less than 48 hours and the take over will be compete in the sheer surprise. The chinese and russians are already here in advance forces planning and plotting the capture of many targets across the US right now. This has been seen coming for years and still no one even cares. They even show you what is coming in the new movie Red Dawn!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/

So sad to see this and yet, it will not make one bit of difference to warn the brain dead TV hungry zombie nation. American will be pit against American, brother against brother, family against family, and after all the carnage of killing each other is done, then the chinese and russians will come in to clean up and kill off what is left of any American resistance to the new world order. After the take over of the well divided up former home of the brave, the chinese and russians will turn on their bankster masters and the mercenary minions that helped them destroy America. They will kill them all off after that leaving only the chinese to rule the world that might be left afterwards.

The amounts and kinds of weaponry that will be used against the Americans is incredible. The poisonous chemical, race specific bio-weapons, and neutron type weaponry will be horrendous. After the initial attacks in the first 24 hours, most of the American people may not be around to read the morning after news. The chinese have openly bragged about nuking 200 cities if the Americans go against them. This is what comes to a country that slips off the decks of truth and moral righteousness. This is what happens to a country that is more self-absorbed and egotistic, than concerned about world events and the approaching Red Dawn. This is what happens to a country that keeps voting for the same evil corrupted politicians that are working towards the same means of destroying America, believing they will change what is well planed to come to pass.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/15/94638.shtml

http://real-agenda.com/2012/08/27/russian-chinese-islamic-military-invas...

The greatest weapon of course is the divide and conquer methodologies for control. The United States are no longer united. The People of the United States are no longer united and this one real reason is why all will perish. This will be the downfall of all, because the only thing that kept America safe from an outside invasion was that it was UNITED! All the people thought as Americans being one nation, and a untied country of the free with one constitutional law. Now, they call themselves everything but Americans and practice daily the divide and conquer methodologies of tit for tat, blue and red, left and right, and us and them. Most neighbors do not even know each other and this is a sad truth. The bankster empire of evil and greed has done it’s job of divide and conquer well. America is now laid barren, poor, and ready for the bankster/communist/zionist take over. The main stream media has been the worst offender of all in it’s contributions of dividing and conquering families and communities. The western media is the greatest weapon of the enemies of America and will go down in history as the one major tools that took down the great nation of formerly free. When a society is based on lies, it is weak and as planed to do, will succumb to stronger forces that ARE united with ONE mission to only destroy and kill off every well divided up American.

The death of America….coming to a theater near you soon?

Past reference links for educational purposes to study and pass on:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/chinainvasion.html

http://www.peterjamesx.com/News/Chinese%20Defence%20Minister%20Speech.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/comingchinainvasion27may05.shtml

http://www.tldm.org/news3/Nicaragua.htm

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/united-states-should-be-wary-chines...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZruWm8Yiug

http://www.tldm.org/News4/ChineseInvasion.htm

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile36.htm

Please folks, this is all fictionary at best. Some of it may be redundant even. What comes to pass is God’s will. If the people of the US have come to a place of such ignorance that we allow ourselves to be over run by this evil to the point that mankind has become evil and ignorant, then surly God will use the psychopaths to destroy most of mankind. After that, the same weaponry and forces will be turned against them in the same old sense of the Law of Evil always destroys itself eventually.

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:11 | 3282174 akarc
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"Those who claim to understand something on first contact are deceiving themselves."

Looking at the east with western eyes will be our downfall. The Russian/China relationship is made more clear if one watches their actions in the middle east.  In the past the threat of nuclear mutual destruction has been a check. However technology has advanced. Chinese hacking against the U.S. is increasing. When does one country get the technology to confuse the nukes or render them useless?  I can not put it beyond the realm of possibility.

The Chinese are a very patient country. They have to be. They understand hardship. For every million or so upwardly mobile chinese there are millions more for whom plundering and pillaging would be an acceptable alternative.

Their economic policies prove over and over again that they are no friend. They have successfully enticed us to giving them our jobs, our manufacturing and our technology.  A country that had no problem with a one child policy and kill the female babies??? That is what westerners do not get.

They understand Sun Tzu, "All war is deception."

I would say it may be to late it for us were it not for the fact that I believe most Westerners can not get it.

Our western proclivity to to look at the Bible literally as opposed to metaphorically may be applicable evidence of this.

aka rc

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:33 | 3282266 HL Shancken
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Good post.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:48 | 3282572 Seer
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Nature is deceptive.  Humans are OF nature.

ALL WAR IS ABOUT RESOURCES.

"I would say it may be to late it for us were it not for the fact that I believe most Westerners can not get it."

"Westerners" are living TOTALLY unsustainable lives.  Predicating a system on perpetual growth while on a finite planet is INSANE.  By this logic it IS a BAD SYSTEM, and China is not needed to force its flaws.  If China is emulating this then the outcome is quite clear.

All these games of paranoia are merely means of propagating yet MORE deception in an effort to acquire resources necessary to promote the growth meme (and if we were nothing but one huge religious sect, would we still not push growth to the point of failure?).

Human hubris... humans not only deceive other humans, they also deceive themselves (through notions of statism or church [just statism in another fashion]).

The sad(?) reality is this, in order to not be deceptive we'd trade in our "will work for food" signs for one that reads "will fight for food," as this is as true for the collective (people of a state as well as those in a church) just as it is for the individual.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:53 | 3282573 Shell Game
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akarc said, "They have successfully enticed us to giving them our jobs, our manufacturing and our technology."

Are you seriously stating that they took that?  They cannot take what our plutocrats willingly gave them. 

I hear all this scary talk about how patient and sinister the Chinese are.  Meanwhile, 150 years after the destuction of the 10th Amendment, the slow decay of gradulaism implemented by our own centrally powerful, Federal government and money masters overshadows the so called patience of those evil Chinese. 

Distraction.  Americans have been completely duped and are on the verge of gratefully leaping into the abyss in a frenzy of nationalism, at the request of our true enemy - The State.  Right here at home..

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:06 | 3282660 akarc
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Nope I am saying we stupidly gave America to them as stated in a post below to the Jew Haters:

 

Chesapeake Energy Corporation Announces $1.02 Billion Mississippi Lime Joint Venture

With the Chinese, selling them half the oil production of the CHK's Mississippi lime play in Oklahoma.

 

How a communist country kicks America's ass.

 

1. Americans buy cheaply made chinese knockoff's thus sending cash to and creating jobs in China (in the early years).

 

2. Then you allow American corporations to ship American manufacturing jobs and technology to Communist China where they can can take advantage of slave labor because China has no Unions or any other vehicle buy which to protect workers rights. 

 

3. The Chinese then sell the products they made for the American corporations back to the American people and the American people lose more jobs while the American Corporations keep the cash offshore so they do not have to pay taxes on it.  

Apple, Google, Microsoft Avoid Taxes By Keeping Billions In Profits Offshore: Senate Report

4. You allow Communist China to buy trillions in U.S. treasury notes to make up for the loss of taxes American Corporations avoid by making products in China and keeping the profits offshore. Now living with the risk off China dumping trillions of U.S. notes on the market and destroying the dollar.

 

5. You allow American Corporations to sell half the production of U.S. resources such as oil to communist China providing them the fuel to run their factories to produce the goods American workers use to make to sell back to the American worker who has less and less money to spend.

 

6. China establishes trade agreements with Brazil, Australia, Russia and other countries in many instances using currency other than the dollar because after all China now has the power to destroy the American dollar, further destroying  the earnings power of the American worker.

 

7. The American worker who has been supporting Communist China for years by buying the products made by slaves stealing their jobs blames the problem on mexican lettuce pickers and unions???  The corporations like it when the American people do this because it deflects the blame from the Corporations.

 

8.  American Corporations race to create new markets in communist countries because the American consumer is about tapped out after purchasing the goods made by slaves in China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malasia and all of Indonesia. Who are also bypassing America by racing to buy the resources produced by slaves in Africa.

 

9. The American government sets up drone bases and military support in Africa to protect American Corporate interest in using African slaves to get african oil and gold.

 

10. The American citizen continues to blame our problems on mexican immigrants, unions and everybody  EXCEPT the true enemy. The American people who allowed themselves to become dumbed down enough to help the Corporations and their banks buy the politicians that allow the government to bail out european banks and And American corporations to commit treason by selling out America.

 

Through this whole process the American people had the power to stop the selling out of America. But by fighting among themselves they lost that power and aided and abetted the enemy.

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:24 | 3282757 Shell Game
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+1 We agree on much.  However, not so much on #10 and who the true enemy is.  What is at the root of corporate and bankster corruption?  What is at the root of our societal disease? The people are not innocent, instead they (we) have been complicit in the crime..  The root of that evil is easy money and the complex monetary charade.  Unbacked, conjured fiat currency ruined our society and economy.  

Greed can only be kept in check by hard limitations.  Fiat opens up unlimited potential of looting, bribing, loaning, etc.  A great illusion of wealth infected the world. The only way to limit this kind of greed is with honest money and non-fractional reserve banking.  Those corps and banks could not have looted on the scale they did under honest money. 

End the fucking Fed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:12 | 3282949 akarc
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"What is at the root of our societal disease? The people are not innocent, instead they (we) have been complicit in the crime..  The root of that evil iseasy money and the complex monetary charade."

What I tried to convey. If I didn't I stand corrected. Because if you follow downwards to the smallest municipality you will find the same games such as "we are going to illegaly install redlight cameras, issue you a ticket and if you don't pay it we will take your home."

But Joe Dude who lives in the small muncipality never says boo because he has been cheating on his income taxes or his wife or whoever in whatever manner and figures he won't get a redlight ticket until he does. Situatational morality and priciples. The smallest rights organizations raise hell and lobby for their own rights yet refuse to stand for the rights of others.  I'm getting mine, but fuck yours!

the monetary charade can only exist because of the deterioration, or maybe I should say complete reframe, of morals, values and principles. 

But then it's always been that way. Just ask the indians, or the slaves, or women or children used in labor in the past.  

We say look how far we come come we don't do that shit anymore. The hell we don't. We perpetuate the violation of human rights world wide to save 5 bucks on an Iphone.

We can end the Fed. But what we apparently can not end is the bigotry and prejudice that populates this site that results in the repression of freedom.

Which is why after being a "sleeper" on this site enjoying the posts by the Tylers I finally figured ah fuck, play a little and piss off these Faux Americans (obviously not aimed at all commenters).  However, I do defend their first amendment right to be assholes! 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:33 | 3282258 nofluer
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"The collapse of the Soviet Union was staged."

Well... yeah. So why is this even mentioned? At the time I recall my comments were "Show me the body in the coffin." And to ask the Believer saying that it was genuine this question, "What is the Russian national game?" And the answer to the question told me if the person responding to it knew anything at all worth listening to.

And pardon, but what the snot does any of this have to do with the "new" Chinese frigate? (Which given the characteristics was probably reverse engineered from the Zumwalt class DD - which is a piece of crap.)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:36 | 3282277 HL Shancken
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The answer to the question was definitively answered by Anatoliy Golitsyn. I can guess that that name is not familiar to you, which makes your hubris especially annoying.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:32 | 3282503 nofluer
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Nope. I never heard of Golitsyn - and no one ever answered correctly, and I really doubt he answered correctly. The Russian national game is CHESS - and EVERYTHING Russia does can be analyzed with that in mind because it shapes their brains. Hubris? Nope. Not me. I'm just a poor little ignernant country boy. Like I said, I'll believe the USSR is dead when I see the body. Never did see it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:13 | 3282702 akarc
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"Those who claim to understand something on first contact are deceiving themselves."

 

"And pardon, but what the snot does any of this have to do with the "new" Chinese frigate?"

 

Everything, look past the Freaking Frigate!
 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:18 | 3283439 nofluer
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Have you read a book titled "The Imperial Cruise" by James Bradley? I'm reading it - and there are quite a few interesting bits, bits that are not generally known in the USA by the people. (If true.)

But it makes a new Chinese frigget into just another bathtub toy. I come from a 3 generation Navy family, and yes, I did my time. 20 Guided Missile Frigates are pretty much insignificant in terms of power projection or even defense. But it's interesting, AND it's the subject of the thread. If someone wants to discuss something else, they should do whatever to get a post posted - not hijack one.

Ancient Rome called the Mediteranian Sea a "Roman Lake". The US can call the Atlantic, the Pacific, and lots of other bodies of water "American Lakes."

It's not the friggit that is the key to Chinese plans - but the Chinese colonization of S America, Central America, and Africa.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:08 | 3283831 thisandthat
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Blah blah blah "Such boasting is unknown to Western history, except to figures who are dismissed as madmen." Blah blah blah - yeah right...

Has the author of this piece been asleep for the past decades? Has he read anything namely from the likes of Kissinger, Brzezinski, to Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz; from Rockefeller to any small time wannabe eugenist? Confessions of an economic hit man, anyone?

It's all publicly available...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:58 | 3281855 Ralph Spoilsport
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Wonder if it runs on a pirated copy of "Windows for Warships"?

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/windows_for_war_1.html

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:23 | 3281973 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Arrrrrrrrrrgh! Blue screen of death, matey!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:31 | 3282019 Ralph Spoilsport
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Why screen brue? Sum ting wong, call central commitee member, comprain harshly!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:32 | 3282263 Tango in the Blight
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In 1998 the USS Yorktown was left dead in the water because of a Windows NT software failure.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987

I bet the chinks will rather use Red Flag Linux.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:42 | 3282081 Long-John-Silver
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:58 | 3281856 HD
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What does stealth imply? No pool water slide or shuffleboard?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:03 | 3281881 McMolotov
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It's compretery sirent ren it froats.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:20 | 3281957 ParkAveFlasher
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Sirent, but deadry.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:25 | 3281985 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Chinese citizenism hygiene being what it is, you'll still be able to track it by following the trail of brown floaters.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:54 | 3282345 akak
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The equally brown airborn trail of smog will be a dead giveaway, too.

 

In resource blobbing-up Communist 'chinese' citizenism, smog is the crustiest bit of the pulmonary mattering thing.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:52 | 3282593 Seer
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Actually, stealth WOULD be like painting this up like a cruise ship...  "Hey!  There are some water polo folks here at the gates; should we let the big horse in?"

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:12 | 3282699 akak
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Actually, stealth WOULD be like painting this up like a cruise ship...

Oh, so THAT explains all the sewage running down the halls and corridors of that 'cruise ship' in the Gulf of Mexico!  It was just a (semi-)dry run by the People's Liberation Army-Navy for the future invasion of New Olreans!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:58 | 3281857 Shaten
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Irony the Chinesse military celebrating the fact they need 1/3 the work force for this ship.

O noes there goes the jobs program.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:46 | 3282314 nofluer
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The main problem with "requiring 1/3 of the crew" is that it leaves no room for combat casualties. In combat, you need supernumeriaries to carry stretchers (unless you ASSume that you won't take human casualties or will just let them lie on the deck and bleed to death), to replace said dead/incapacitated sailors on the guns or whatever function they performed before they were hit, to fight fires (which save the ship and keep it fighting - if the Stark had been manned at Zumwalt levels, it would have been sunk.), and besides all that, those sailors look really good in their monkey suits manning the rail when coming into or leaving port.(Mustn't forget the Show!)

I considered the "lower manning levels" to be a major flaw in the design of the Zumwalt class. Sure - the ship's computers can detect a malfunctioning part and order a replacement for it, but who is going to carry that part aboard and install it? Carry it aboard - maybe FedEx, but FedEx doesn't do install.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 11:59 | 3281861 goldnguns
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"stealthy" ships really aren't.  Just a newer ordnance sump.  They still emit heat, noise, electronic emissions, and staring overhead sensors can-and do - track from leaving port to returning.

 

Japan tho, had better get ready.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:16 | 3281940 Acet
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The closest to a stealth ship there is was invented long ago ...

... they called it: Submarine.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:02 | 3282169 optimator
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Right on.  If those four Japanese carriers sunk at Midway had stealth technology it still wouldn't have protected them from the Mark One Eyeball that did them in.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:13 | 3282201 akarc
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You WTF is making that wake?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:04 | 3281865 Payne
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What would be really interesting is a ship that can be partially submerged to avoid radar and detection.  Use swath technology.  Course I am not a ship guy but a Helo guy hired to find ships.  Think the Chinese should use inflatables camaflough around ships to resemble cargo ships.  That would really screw us up.

 

Reduced crew is great except when you have a damage control situation.  Can we all say abandon ship.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:03 | 3281882 LongSoupLine
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Quick, give those fucking pricks a Nobel Peace Prize!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:03 | 3281884 reader2010
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You don't need any of those in the dense Chinese smog.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:04 | 3281885 g3h
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OK. At 1440 tons, it is not going to hold well for a single shell hit from our battleship's 18" guns. 

 

I know those guys are handled by naked eye.  So no radar is needed.

 

However I suspect it may simply sink in a storm, relieving anyone's need for a fight.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:10 | 3281910 Ralph Spoilsport
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We don't have any battleships anymore or anything with an 18" gun that floats.

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:06 | 3282391 nofluer
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And I don't believe that US BBs ever had 18" main batteries. There were a lot of reasons for NOT going to 18", and AFAIK the 16" 50 cal Naval Gun was the biggest ever floated on a US combat ship.

And only small arms are aimed and fired by "eye" - I believe that all Naval batteries these days are fired by fire control systems.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:11 | 3282430 Ralph Spoilsport
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Battleship Yamato had 18" guns but the US Navy only had 16" on the four Iowa class BBs as you pointed out.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:04 | 3281889 Dr. Engali
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Stealth frigates and aircraft carriers are so last century...missiles are where it's at today.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:05 | 3281891 Snoopy the Economist
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Why would a Chinese ship have english numbers (582 for example) printed on it? It makes it convenient for me; but I don't think that was their intention.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:34 | 3282032 Ralph Spoilsport
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So you don't mistake it for number 581.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:52 | 3282133 Matt
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Probably easier to train your entire Navy to use English, which makes it easier when traveling around the world, then to try to unify all the regional chinese dialects. All aircraft pilots have to speak English, and this thing is helicopter equipped, so even more reason to use English.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:55 | 3282141 Long-John-Silver
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That comes from the Chinese attempting to simplify their language. Writing Mandarin Ideograms by hand while doing math is extremely difficult. Think of doing even simple math in Roman numerals. Here is a link to a site that shows Mandarin number Ideograms so you can see how difficult this could become.

 

Link opens in new window.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:08 | 3282416 nofluer
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Ummmm.... what you refer to as "English" numbers are actually the "Arabic" number system. Yep, invented by the Arabs.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:55 | 3282913 BullsNBeers
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Ummm... No. Indian origin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

 

Cheers

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:01 | 3283199 dark_matter
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This article says "Arabic numerals were introduced to China during the Yuan Dynasty (1271–1368) by the Muslim Hui people". Obviously this boat is China's foray into Muslim extremism.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:37 | 3283500 nofluer
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+1

Always happy to learn new stuff... especially when it's something I thought I knew and that was incorrect.

I looked up several sources that I consider at least somewhat reliable (I don't trust wikis...) - and several sources that claim the Muslims invented what we call "Arabic numbers" seemed to be muslim-biased, but the dates were later than the sources that indicated the Hindus started them.

Thanks!

(But they're STILL not "English.") ;-D

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:09 | 3281905 buzzsaw99
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Can't see it. [/sarc.]

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:09 | 3281907 Skip
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The only question is whose secret plans were hacked in the procurement of the design plans.

Or given to them by Israel:

"Iron Dome Defense Missiles Seized by Finland, Labeled “Fireworks”
69 Newest Patriot Missiles Seized on MS Thor Liberty

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

Finnish authorities have confirmed the seizure of 69 Patriot missiles manufactured by Raytheon Corporation today. During a routine search of the MS Thor Liberty, a ship flagged by the Isle of Man, at the Finnish port of Kotka, authorities found 69 Patriot missiles capable of a type capable of intercepting ICBMs, the most modern available and America’s most sensitive military technology."

One would think this would be very big news. Why isn't it in the main stream media? Read the whole thing here:

http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/israel-caught-selling-69-us-patrio...

Israel and China find common ground in stepped-up security ties
By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press
Thu, May 24, 2012

With Israel offering much-needed technical expertise and China representing a huge new market and influential voice in the international debate over Iran's nuclear program, the two nations have stepped up military cooperation as they patch up a rift caused by a pair of failed arms deals scuttled by the U.S.

US angered by Israeli missile sale
By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer, in Washington
19 April 2001
THE Pentagon is angry with Israel after it discovered the Chinese fighter jet that collided with a US reconnaissance plane over the South China Sea was carrying Israeli-made air-to-air missiles.

The Israelis notified Washington of the sale of the Python Three missiles to China only after the collision, Rear Admiral Craig Quigley said. He said Washington was opposed to the proliferation of such a capable weapons system.

China jet carried Israeli weapon

By Dan Ephron, Globe Correspondent, 4/16/2001

JERUSALEM - The Chinese fighter that collided with a US spy plane two weeks ago was equipped to carry Israeli-made air-to-air missiles, and earlier footage purportedly of the same plane showed the Israeli armaments, according to analysts here who examined the videotape released by the Pentagon.

This assessment, reported in two Israeli newspapers yesterday, touched off worried speculation here that ties with the United States, Israel's most important ally, could be strained over the affair.

The footage, issued by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in a news conference Friday, was taken three months ago. It shows what Pentagon officials reportedly said was Chinese pilot Wang Wei flying a mission in the same plane he flew on April 1, the date of the collision.

The Israeli analysts said the video clearly shows the plane carrying two Python 3 missiles, and added that Israel had been selling the missile to China since the late 1980s.

U.S.: Hands Off Spy Plane

BY PETER DEMARCO DAILY NEWS EXPRESS WITH EXPRESS WIRE SERVICES Monday, April 02, 2001

The United States warned China today to keep its hands off the U.S. spy plane it is holding, saying the craft should be treated like a foreign embassy.
President Bush later on called on China to improve its relations with the U.S. by promptly returning the crew and the plane - without "further damage or tampering."
The EP-3 spy plane is loaded with sophisticated surveillance equipment the likes of which have never been seen in China.
Under Navy protocol, the crew was supposed to destroy top secret equipment before the plane landed, a source said.
"We physically cannot prevent the Chinese from boarding the plane," said Adm. Dennis Blair, commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Command. "What protects the plane really," he said, "is the concept of sovereign immunity."

For further reading on this topic:

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1196/9611009.htm
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November/December 1996Defense and Intelligence Congress Calls for Sanctions If Israeli Technology Transfer to China Is Proven

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0492/9204007.html
April/May 1992
Special Report

 

Altered States: Will Technology Stealing Charges Against Israel Change the U.S.-Israeli Relationship

http://wrmea.com/backissues/0198/9801025.htm
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, January/February 1998
Defense and Intelligence

 

Mixed Signals in U.S.-Israel and U.S.-GCC Relationship

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0995/9509008.htm

September 1995
Special Report
Israel's Unauthorized Retransfer of U.S. Technology Exposed

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May_2004/0405020.html
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May 2004
Neocon Corner
Serving Two Flags: Neocons, Israel and the Bush Administration

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0799/9907049.html
Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July/August 1999
Defense & Intelligence

 

What the Cox Report Does and Does Not Say About Israeli Technology Transfer to China

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:12 | 3282197 smacker
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"One would think this would be very big news. Why isn't it in the main stream media"

Well, the news article is dated November 25th 2012 and also has this at the top: "1st posted 12/11/2011". So it's not exactly 'today's' news. But in any case, anybody who criticises Israel is automatically labelled anti-semitic, so that's probably the reason why it was not covered by MSM, if it wasn't, at the time. And MSM has limited space/time available for reporting important news, and celeb news/gossip interwoven with State propaganda about [insert latest nanny-state issue here] is far more important to the masses.

</eyes rolling>

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:40 | 3282291 Tango in the Blight
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How come Patriots are "the most modern available"? They were around during the Gulf War in 1991. Has there been no new missile development in the US in 22 years? Or are these the new and improved Patriots that have electrolytes?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:06 | 3283604 BigInJapan
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Patriots? They're pretty much useless, anyway. Every "intercept" video you can find on youtube is of a target drone carrying a homing beacon.

Sure do bring in the bucks, though, those Patriot missiles.

Didn't the Russians plonk down some surface to surface missiles next door to some Turkish patriot batteries a few weeks ago? Yeah, they sure think the patriots are the real thing.

"I'll see your anit-missile missile and raise you a kick in the nuts. If you don't want the world to know how useless the patriot systems are, keep 'em in the box."

And they will.

The Syrian problem slowly fades into memory. . .

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:23 | 3281971 lolmao500
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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20120902.aspx

In August China commissioned its first Type 056 corvette. These are 1,800 ton ships armed with four C-903 anti-ship missiles (200 kilometers range), a FL-3000N anti-aircraft missiles (nine kilometers range) launcher (with eight missiles), two 30mm remotely controlled autocannon and one 76mm gun. The ship has air and sea search radars and will be used mainly for coastal patrol. Nine more are under construction and at least sixteen are planned.

The ship can go much closer to shore in shallow waters... very useful in islands disputes.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:24 | 3281981 Canucklehead
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This article reminds me of the Boxer Rebellion, started by a crew on drugs... thinking they were immortal.

That didn't end too well...

Opium sales increased.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:32 | 3282024 _ConanTheLibert...
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China should just drop an oil platform there and start drilling. Let's see what happens.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:36 | 3282046 Bandit und Buster
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MDB, 

Spoken like a true zionist/communist.

Marx or Lenin could hardly have said it better.

In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands."

— Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, 'La Revue de Paris', p.574, June 1, 1928

 

The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world."
THE AMERICAN HEBREW September 10, 1920

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:53 | 3282134 straightershooter
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&f...

 

Free download. The uber perfect 10 strategy--How china defeated Japan and the USA without firing one shot

 

Yeah, Right, china does not need stealth frigate.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 12:58 | 3282147 optimator
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C'mon, "Given to them by Israel".  Israel have never given anything to the Chinese, muchless anyone else.  But, they have sold every technology we have ever given them, from Nuclear weaponry (Union of South Africa) to aerospace (Lavi built with U.S. and sold to China), and the list goes on.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:00 | 3282157 taketheredpill
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Jiangdao Unchained !!!

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:09 | 3282188 akak
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It was a much better movie than Kirr Birr.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:12 | 3282181 Bandit und Buster
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HL Shanken:

BECAUSE this is misleading The real enemy behind WHATEVER color or stipe they may appear is the same. Whether appearing from China, Russia, Israel or DC... It is all world Jewry/ zionism; Better known perhaps as 'communism' or Bolshevisim

"‘We’ve been fighting a war for the past 18 months, which is the harbinger of World War III. The world is going to fight, whether they like it or not.  I’m sure,’ Ra’anan Gissin, a senior adviser to [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon, said n an interview Friday." Stephanie Innes, Arizona Daily Star, March 18, 2003.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
— Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

Kissinger said it more succinctly actually,

“who controls the food supply controls the people;

Who controls the energy can control whole continents;

Who controls the money can control the world.”

Henry Kissinger, 1973 (as quoted by trivemovment.com)

 

 

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:13 | 3282200 akak
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Sigh.

It's always the juice with you simpletons, isn't it?

Enough with all this anti-cementism.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:15 | 3282443 nofluer
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+1 for "anti-cementism"

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:29 | 3282235 akarc
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Yo anti Jew people! What role did you play in the transference of wealth to China and what have you done to stop it.  Jesus Christ (pun intended) get a fucking grip. China's rise was given them by the everyday Ameican consumer who allowed their government/banks/corporations to run rampant> LETS MAKE IT SIMPLE:

 

Chesapeake Energy Corporation Announces $1.02 Billion Mississippi Lime Joint Venture

With the Chinese, selling them half the oil production of the CHK's Mississippi lime play in Oklahoma.

 

How a communist country kicks America's ass.

 

1. Americans buy cheaply made chinese knockoff's thus sending cash to and creating jobs in China (in the early years).

 

2. Then you allow American corporations to ship American manufacturing jobs and technology to Communist China where they can can take advantage of slave labor because China has no Unions or any other vehicle buy which to protect workers rights. 

 

3. The Chinese then sell the products they made for the American corporations back to the American people and the American people lose more jobs while the American Corporations keep the cash offshore so they do not have to pay taxes on it.  

Apple, Google, Microsoft Avoid Taxes By Keeping Billions In Profits Offshore: Senate Report

4. You allow Communist China to buy trillions in U.S. treasury notes to make up for the loss of taxes American Corporations avoid by making products in China and keeping the profits offshore. Now living with the risk off China dumping trillions of U.S. notes on the market and destroying the dollar.

 

5. You allow American Corporations to sell half the production of U.S. resources such as oil to communist China providing them the fuel to run their factories to produce the goods American workers use to make to sell back to the American worker who has less and less money to spend.

 

6. China establishes trade agreements with Brazil, Australia, Russia and other countries in many instances using currency other than the dollar because after all China now has the power to destroy the American dollar, further destroying  the earnings power of the American worker.

 

7. The American worker who has been supporting Communist China for years by buying the products made by slaves stealing their jobs blames the problem on mexican lettuce pickers and unions???  The corporations like it when the American people do this because it deflects the blame from the Corporations.

 

8.  American Corporations race to create new markets in communist countries because the American consumer is about tapped out after purchasing the goods made by slaves in China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malasia and all of Indonesia. Who are also bypassing America by racing to buy the resources produced by slaves in Africa.

 

9. The American government sets up drone bases and military support in Africa to protect American Corporate interest in using African slaves to get african oil and gold.

 

10. The American citizen continues to blame our problems on mexican immigrants, unions and everybody  EXCEPT the true enemy. The American people who allowed themselves to become dumbed down enough to help the Corporations and their banks buy the politicians that allow the government to bail out european banks and And American corporations to commit treason by selling out America.

 

Through this whole process the American people had the power to stop the selling out of America. But by fighting among themselves they lost that power and aided and abetted the enemy.

 

 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:39 | 3282540 nofluer
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"Too many notes."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 13:27 | 3282246 Vlad Tepid
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If they want to extend their reach, building (short-range) corvettes is a strange way to go about it.

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