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Founded By Geniuses And Run By Idiots

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Originally posted at Monty Pelerin's World blog,

H. L. Mencken correctly observed:

Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent.

Mencken also was prescient:

As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

But this is not about Mr. Mencken. Rather it is about some unknown individual who committed the following to the email world:

Food for thought…
  • If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without  a license, but not for being in the country illegally … you might live in a  country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If you have to get your  parents’ permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not  to get an abortion … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run  by idiots.
  • If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got  here is evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project  to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction … you might live in a  country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If you have to show  identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a  library book, but not to vote who runs the government … you might live in a  country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If the government wants to  ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten  rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt … you  might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If, in the  largest city, you can buy two 16-ounce sodas, but not a 24-ounce soda because  24-ounces of a sugary drink might make you fat … you might live in a country  founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If an 80-year-old woman can be  stripped searched by the TSA but a woman in a hijab is only subject to having  her neck and head searched … you might live in a country founded by geniuses  but run by idiots.
  • If your government believes that the best way to  eradicate trillions of dollars of debt is to spend trillions more … you might  live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If a seven year  old boy can be thrown out of school for saying his teacher “cute,” but hosting a  sexual exploration or diversity class in grade school is perfectly acceptable  … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If  children are forcibly removed from parents who discipline them with spankings  while children of addicts are left in filth and drug infested “homes”… you  might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If hard  work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, while  not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized  housing, and free cell phones … you might live in a country founded by  geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If the government’s plan for getting people  back to work is to incentivize NOT working with 99 weeks of Unemployment checks  and no requirement to prove they applied but can’t find work … you might live  in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If you pay your  mortgage faithfully, denying yourself the newest big screen TV while your  neighbor buys iPhones, TV’s and new cars, and the government forgives his debt  when he defaults on his mortgage … you might live in a country founded by  geniuses but run by idiots.
  • If being stripped of the  ability to defend yourself makes you more “safe” according to the government …  you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.



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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:22 | 3283449 docmac324
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Yee Haw.  The idiots understand that..

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:27 | 3283465 ZerOhead
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Actually... true geniuses would never have created a oountry that could be bought and sold and run by idiots but I like your sentiments all the same...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:32 | 3283484 Raymond K Hessel
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How do we correct humanity's worst invention?  

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:38 | 3283505 ZerOhead
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Which one?...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:28 | 3283681 ACP
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Yeah, they did forget the 11th Amendment, which should have read: "No one shall be entitled to more gubmint cheese than anyone else."

But now we know.

(welfare prevention amendment)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:38 | 3283915 TruthInSunshine
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 "Actually... true geniuses would never have created a oountry that could be bought and sold and run by idiots..."

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

-Alexis de Tocqueville

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:09 | 3283997 newengland
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Excellent riposte.

End the Fed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:33 | 3284079 disabledvet
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the definition of the Fed and Wall Street: "created by idiots, run by genius's." which would you rather have? the fact that "everyone wants to get rich and has to have money" says to me "i'd rather have something at least designed by a genius." anywho "what a beautiful madness we have wrougt." all in a time of plenty no less. doesn't having a Fed Chairman tell the Federal Government and the American people "they should spend more" just sum the whole thing up? i love the headline i'll never read: "genius world renowned economist says the solution is to spend more." wow...some deep thinking that is. "comes with a Nobel Prize included!" wow. "hey! dipshit! when you spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS (after borrowing it of course) WHERE DOES IT GO?" (and no the correct answer is not "on lower interest rates" or "zero growth in the economy.")

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:13 | 3284176 strannick
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Oh my gosh. I live in a country founded by geniuses but run by ...

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:40 | 3284596 Crash Overide
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You take my EBT card and I will cut you so bad you will wish I didn't cut you so bad.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 09:16 | 3285250 rwe2late
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truth is, that is an untrue quote of Alexis de Tocqueville.

If you can cite a source from his actual writings, please do.


Thu, 02/28/2013 - 09:21 | 3285266 Ghordius
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it's nevertheless a good one and correctly describes a lot of history

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:40 | 3283511 JPM Hater001
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evolution I think


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:01 | 3283972 Zap Powerz
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Mother Nature is going to straighten this shit right the fuck out.  Bet on it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:44 | 3284106 espirit
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Fukushima will help Mother Nature.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:42 | 3283515 Race Car Driver
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We can start by using proper words and definitions - like Treason, Traitor, Usurper, Psychopath and Sociopath.

Using words like 'Idiots' to describe what has happened to our government over the last century is to liken it to a cartoon and make it sound cute, like it was Gilligan or the Three Stooges running things ... but it's become far more insidious - and far more dangerous - than that.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:49 | 3283546 Herd Redirectio...
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Exactly.  A family member of mine got upset because I described Wall St CEOs and politicians as psychopaths, saying they don't have a conscience, they don't have morals, but they can fake it decently enough.  She thought it bordered on defamation.  I said the evidence more than backs it up, if you look at these people's callousness re: human life.  We are talking about people that make laws strictly to cut out the competition (e.g. the drug trade).  That finance both sides of a war.  That will steal from old folks (ZIRP).  They will lie with a straight face.

Thats psychopathic behavior, well-adjusted to modern society as it may be.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:06 | 3283583 TruthInSunshine
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I Am Fishead


Master–slave morality is a central theme of Nietzsche's works. Nietzsche argued that there were two fundamental types of morality: 'Master morality' and 'slave morality'. Master morality weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences unlike slave morality which weighs actions on a scale of good or evil intentions. What he meant by 'morality' deviates from common understanding of this term. For Nietzsche, a particular morality is inseparable from the formation of a particular culture. This means that its language, codes and practices, narratives, and institutions are informed by the struggle between these two types of moral valuation. Master–slave morality provides the basis of all exegesis of Western thought. While slave morality values things like kindness, humility and sympathy, master morality values pride, strength, and nobility.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:20 | 3283661 blu
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Notice that the two are not incompatible, nor is either absolutely correct or incorrect. The problems arise when enough from either class start to act outside the direction of their innate moral compass. We should all be able to get along regardless, but we don't, because there is no personal profit in doing so.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:24 | 3283676 Cardinal Fang
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Yeah but, wasn't Nietzsche a psychopath?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:14 | 3283843 Moe Howard
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Yes, he was a wack job, but let's keep that on the QT.


Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:24 | 3284553 Diogenes
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More or less. Opinion differs as to whether his breakdown and confinement in a mental institution was due to manic depression, tertiary syphilis or some other condition.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 14:49 | 3286733 TruthInSunshine
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Many of the great thinkers and agitators (who may or may not have been correct in much of what they claimed or believed, but who spawned revolutions in thought, doctrine & innovation), were drinkers, fighters & just plain all-coked-up.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:03 | 3283590 The Alarmist
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Psychopath might be too generous for these creeps because it implies there is an element of their actions that is not fully within their control.  The terms we should be using to describe TPTB would be terrorist, criminal, and kleptocrat.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:27 | 3283670 Ignatius
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They are not idiots, they just sound like idiots trying to justify their theft in the softest light.

Policies are working exactly as feathers their beds.

Psychopathic traitors, absolutely.

The old complaint "oh, that's stupid" may make one feel superior, but it does not accomplish anything... which is fine by them as long as the money and perks go into their pockets.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:25 | 3283876 DaveyJones
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I remember a long time ago in a criminal case, one of the last lines defense counsel argued in closing was that his client could not have possibly said that to the witness because only an idiot would say that. I stood up and said, that's the funny thing, the really smart criminals, you rarely see them in here.   

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:26 | 3284053 Cabreado
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Not arguing, but there is not much sense in playing Pick-the-DSM, as the end result is the same, eventually.

The Psychopath doesn't last long, but the Narcissist and the Sociopath -- the pathologically Self-Absorbed -- are able to integrate themselves into a control structure quite nicely, where they thrive and feed off each other, until the mission itself is no longer recognized.

Take it to heart -- what is not within their control is their entire Personality and how it relates to the outside world.
And of course, they haven't the slightest clue nor concern that it is an issue in the first place.
That is the greatest, most dangerous Entitlement the world has ever known.


Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:09 | 3284501 BLOTTO
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They all lack love.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:38 | 3283725 SmittyinLA
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An Al Gore owned corporation Bloom Energy was busted last month, they were paying Mexican laborers $2.66 an hour for cleaning chemical batteries (without proper safety equipment no doubt). 


AlGore is worth hundreds of millions if not a billion dollars, Colin Powell was also a major stockholder and director.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:39 | 3284097 DaveyJones
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i think history has shown that neither man would do anything illegal, hypocritical or dishonest

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:50 | 3284121 nmewn
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The swashbuckling climateer...Captain Al

Avast me hearties, thar be the innocents to be plundered on the horizon and fortunes to be made...arrrrrrr.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:42 | 3284231 The Gooch
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Del Sol, Al. Del Sol.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:22 | 3284193 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Thats psychopathic behavior, well-adjusted to modern society as it may be.

Somebody really smart once said "To say that one is well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society is no measure of mental health."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:53 | 3283547 trollin4sukrz
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George Bush Jr was not an idiot? Come now let us be reasonable.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:58 | 3283568 Temporalist
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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:07 | 3283611 Doubleguns
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There are many.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:31 | 3283700 reTARD
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Also add Conspiracy Theorists. When the truly insane people conspire they just call it policy when in fact they ARE the Conspiracy Theorists!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:46 | 3284242 The Gooch
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Based on the testimony I tortured myself with ("Assault Weapons" hearing today) 

I am renting a clown suit and throwing my name in the hat for CONgress 2014.

Vote for Shakes.

p.s. were Feinstein and Franken on ludes? Martinis? Both?


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:42 | 3283712 reTARD
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Also as Stefan Molyneux might say...

You may tell them "Fuck You" and walk away but they fucking point their guns at you and throw you into a cage!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:05 | 3283984 booboo
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We can start by not allowing "the idiots" to get away with calling our form of government a Democracy for fuck sakes. God Damn we deserve every fucking inch of whats coming.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:45 | 3283521 CH1
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How do we correct humanity's worst invention? 

Easy! Just walk away from it!

Without obedience, it will die fast... but it will NEVER change until then.

Why should they change as long as you obey everything they say?

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:24 | 3284554 Totentänzerlied
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Never gonna happen. Name one instance in history in which a people voluntary chose to dissolve their state, not their government, their entire state.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:44 | 3283525 semperfi
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only by killing - rule books are always cast aside

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:46 | 3283535 CH1
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only by killing

No, killing is their game - the one thing they excel at.

And it is almost entirely unnecessary anyway.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:48 | 3283766 vato poco
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Really. OK.....How then *does* one deal with a mad dog? A mad dog that won't let you 'just walk away', who makes it his mission in life to harass/hurt/steal from/kill you. That's government in a nutshell. If, as you say, killing it is "almost entirely unnecessary anyway", what's your approved method of a) making it leave you alone and b) keep it from hurting other people?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:07 | 3283830 FEDbuster
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That is why the Second Amendment is there, it wasn't about duck hunting.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:29 | 3283886 DaveyJones
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it was about duck and cover

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:22 | 3284010 CH1
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Presuming that you are serious and not just arguing, I shall answer:

If, as you say, killing it is "almost entirely unnecessary anyway", what's your approved method of a) making it (the mad dog state) leave you alone and b) keep it from hurting other people?

First, it is not my job to stop it from hurting others. If they WANT it, I shall not rip it from them.

As for "making it leave me alone," all I have to do is avoid it, and there are hundreds of ways to do so. Big corps use offshore structures to be left alone, illegal immigrants use other means. It's only the compliant who are bled dry.

You're a clever fellow, figure out what works for you.

Back to the main point: Violence is what the state does, and what their supporters love them for. Playing that game is bad strategy. Sure, you have to shoot a thug that tries to kill your wife or kid, but that is thankfully uncommon. States are strengthened by violence, not weakened.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:48 | 3284255 Icantstopthinki...
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Stop feeding it.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:31 | 3284571 Diogenes
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In its whole history the US government has never knuckled under to guns. But it has knuckled under to voters thousands of times. 10,000 men, or 1,000 women properly organized could make the government change their mind about anything. Back when votes counted. So,  voting reform and political organization is what works. Guns are a distraction they KNOW they can control.

When a band of citizens with deer rifles goes up against the US Army guess who wins?

PS If you think they will never be able to get soldiers to shoot American civilians, they don't have to. All they have to do is get the civilians to shoot the soldiers and give the soldiers permission to defend themselves.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:56 | 3284280 Icantstopthinki...
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Unicor and the defense contractors make a profit out of fighting those who fight back.  Good luck with that.

What is a pyramid without a stable bottom layer? A soon-to-be pile of sand.

What happens to a pyramid scheme when the bottom layer decides to stop participating?



Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:34 | 3284584 Diogenes
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"What happens to a pyramid scheme when the bottom layer decides to stop participating?"

The pyramid collapses, the second layer from the bottom loses their money, and the top layer laughs all the way to the bank. That is how pyramid schemes are supposed to work.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:24 | 3283677 McMolotov
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Since the article began by quoting H. L. Mencken, here's another one:

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:42 | 3283731 Manthong
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Whew.. that’s a relief.

I was starting to think I was not normal for a while there.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:58 | 3283805 nmewn
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Stole my thunder, its one of my favorite Mencken quotes.

Only because I'm normal, I think ;-)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:30 | 3283890 DaveyJones
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those pirate analogies always make me nervous

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:01 | 3283973 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!...its a fine line isn't it? I'm comfortable with either, as long as we ALL play by the same rules, which isn't the case these days it seems.

Maybe we both need to bone up on old skills ;-)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:50 | 3284122 espirit
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And BTW - Where's Slewie?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:25 | 3284198 nmewn
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Dunno...he did have a impersonator suckin the gullible (and his oxygen) into everyone thinkin it was him...probably just got frustrated and left.

He was very good if one read him correctly...I hate losing old timers.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:55 | 3284125 DaveyJones
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aye nmewn, and ZH is one of me better crow's nest

Aaaarrrrggghhh, once again, they've confused the head with the poop deck

now where's that hempen halter?  

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:13 | 3284177 nmewn
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I've got it right eeer me matey, thirteen knots, no more no less. Whether the tide gets them or we, the crows will get no rest.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:00 | 3283575 Slightly Insane
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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:10 | 3283629 McMolotov
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How do we correct humanity's worst invention?

What do you have against the Forever Lazy™?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:39 | 3283509 Herd Redirectio...
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The construction projects stopped due to 'environmental' concerns... Who are we kidding, this is graft and cronyism and typical of... A racket!  Its basically a 21st century 'protection racket'. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:35 | 3283544 smlbizman
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they are the ......."real men of genius"...(can u hear that guy singing in the backround)...


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:23 | 3283864 shovelhead
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I hear Trolololo Guy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:49 | 3284119 masterinchancery
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They didn't. It took several Constitutional Amendments and a criminally bent media and judiciary to create it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:23 | 3283455 kill switch
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A driver was stuck in a traffic jam on the highway outside
Washington, DC. Nothing was moving. Suddenly, a man knocks on the window.

The driver rolls down the window and asks, "What's going on?"

"Terrorists have kidnapped Congress, and they're asking for a $100 million dollar ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them all in gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, collecting donations."

"How much is everyone giving, on average?" the driver asks. The man replies, "Roughly a gallon."

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:30 | 3283479 akak
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Drain my fucking 35-gallon tank bone dry, buddy!

For the cause!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:45 | 3283527 Peter Pan
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Makes you onder why the so called terrorsts didn't go for the White House or Congress.

I guess they thought that the White House and Congress could cause more damage to the USA than they could with a plane.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:05 | 3283599 The Alarmist
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It's called professional courtesy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:06 | 3283602 DJ Happy Ending
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Because they knew who their true masters are.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:31 | 3283703 Translational Lift
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Makes you wonder why the so called terrorists didn't go for the White House or Congress.

For the same reason Hitler wasn't assassinated....they knew he would destroy Germany faster than the allies could!!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:47 | 3283759 TBT or not TBT
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Dude rode around Paris and was very shootable. French are pussies for one thing and comfortable with socialist tyranny on the other. Also probably weren't a lot of scoped hunting rifles in Parisian closets.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:37 | 3283504 Peter Pan
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This is truly funny but people are responsible for their election, either by voting for them or by abstaining.

What kind of a democracy and what kind of free people can't come up with a decent candidate that will at least put a dent into a sick system of alternating idiots.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:49 | 3283542 Peter Pan
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I don't mind a down vote, but there is something quite sad about a nation that cannot voice its discontent through a viable third candidate or party.

So will the down ticker please explain his down tick or is it just personal?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:54 | 3283555 smlbizman
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the game is controlled ,....really you are here and still dont know how it works.....let me help you out...if they ever thought someone would threaten , ndaa baby.......

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:07 | 3283612 CH1
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I didn't ding you, but if I did, it would be because you said not voting makes me culpable for the evils of DC.

The entire system is corrupt, and no one is going to change it. Ron Paul gave it  shot, and how far did he get?

Screw the system entire. States suck... all of them.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:12 | 3283638 SleepingBear
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There is indeed something sad about a nation who cannot voice it's discontent at the ballot box but their are more than a few sad things about our nation at this point I'm afraid

Also I think what is discontent for us is complacency for most

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:26 | 3283673 SleepingBear
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and to CH1, not voting isn't sad if you really don't feel you can possibly affect change. What's sad is people voting for typical candidates thinking they CAN affect change

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:50 | 3283775 Taint Boil
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[So will the down ticker please explain his down tick or is it just personal]

Maybe it’s your screen name – try something a little more neutral like mine. Usually the down arrows is just an outlet for the unsophisticated. They can’t put their anger into written words …. So,,,,, it’s just easier to click the arrow and somehow you’re supposed to see their point of view – pathetic actually.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:14 | 3283845 Selah
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Peter Pan,

Member for
2 years 4 weeks
I just gave you a "down-tick" only for that, not because of your original statement.
Now carry on, and quit being such a pussy.
Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:57 | 3283961 koncaswatch
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Peter my down tick was centered around the abstaining comment. I'm not sure why others abstain; but I refuse to vote in a rigged, manipulated game. btw: I have voted; locally where I know the psychopaths playing the game.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:12 | 3284003 booboo
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I stopped reading at "what kind of Democracy" thinking you lived in Cuba since we are a Constitutional Republic or we are suppose to be but everyone thinks they live in a fucking DemoCrazy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:29 | 3284062 nmewn
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I've quit even trying to explain it boo.

From this day Forward anyone who mentions democracy in the context of what this nation started out to be gets an automatic down vote from me. A democracy will give you anything you want with a majority vote despite how unfair or "unjust" it is to the minority...imbeciles.

Fucking are sooooooo screwed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:55 | 3284131 Pure Evil
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What an asshole PP is. If you're gonna post comments on ZH you're gonna get downticked.

Personally I like to get downticked, upticked, sideticked, and any other ticked as long as they have three breasts, two vaginas and a partridge in a pear tree.

So get bent. By the way, I should downtick ya just for whining about being downticked.

Other than that, have a nice day you downticked bitch.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:27 | 3284206 nmewn
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I down ticked ya for not down ticking me ;-)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:59 | 3284277 Taint Boil
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I down ticked you for down ticking him because he didn’t down tick you – just kidding ha ha – actually not that funny …… <crickets> 

I only down tick MDB because a down = up for him. 

If you get a down tick it just means you’re doing / saying something right. When some are presented with the facts … they just can’t accept the truth and their only option is a down tick (sometimes not always). Take it as a compliment. Some here have fine tuned and tweaked their comments specifically for the up arrows. How fucked up is that? You can’t even be yourself? ROFL. Always trying to be accepted ….. lying to yourself (freddie). How do they even look at themselves in the mirror? Assuming Mommy’s basement has a mirror they have access to.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:00 | 3284289 AssFire
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Down Tick??  You mean Junked or Trashed?

Just mention Jews or Niggers if you want that shit...

my niggas.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:08 | 3284300 Taint Boil
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Thu, 02/28/2013 - 03:35 | 3284865 zhandax
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Down Tick??  You mean Junked or Trashed?
Just mention Jews or Niggers if you want that shit...

How did you screw that up?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:01 | 3283580 Anusocracy
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Democracy and free people can't exist together.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:50 | 3283774 TBT or not TBT
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We are not supposed to be a democracy, but we are becoming one at the same rate we are becoming a soft tyranny. V

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:30 | 3284067 nmewn
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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:23 | 3284197 TBT or not TBT
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The v was a typo believe it or not, but I'm pleased to have summoned you nevertheless.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:32 | 3284211 nmewn
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Fortunately, they can't read minds with perfect clarity, discarding nuance or reason or intent or sarcasm and make it stand in their courts of law...yet ;-)


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:18 | 3284186 Anusocracy
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A republic and free people can't exist together.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:03 | 3284294 nmewn
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Free people without a republic cannot exist together.

As much as anarchy has an appeal, it cannot be. Someone will be maltreated at some point, who does the injured turn to for redress? No man is an island, he will be consumed by the majority, so he then seeks alliance with the also injured, forming a clan or tribe...however you want to term it.

So, there will be war between clans or there will be law for all of that society, a republic...for the clans in it, if you wish.

A just law says (and that is key), no one...senator, congress critter, president, CEO, board member, king or servant etc. is above it, the law. A democracy requires ONLY a simple majority (American Idol to place someone...anyone...above the law. To be above the law, unjudgeable, untouchable for their individual actions.

Once that happens, its tyranny and can revert back to war in order to correct...thats why they call "democracy" the tyranny of the majority.

Its really that simple.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:33 | 3283900 DaveyJones
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it's tinkerbell, she's still pissed about wendy

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:23 | 3283458 Sweet Pea
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Definition of the military, isn't it?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:24 | 3283461 DJ Happy Ending
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Not run by idiots, they know exactly what they're doing, who they're enriching and who they're screwing.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:07 | 3283610 ArkansasAngie
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Some of them do anyway

Obama knows
Benny knows
Dimon knows

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:26 | 3283464 A Lunatic
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No, not idiots. It's being run by fucking thugs...........

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:17 | 3283654 SHEEPFUKKER

Why not both and idiot and a thug? Insert the name of your favorite politician here. _____________________

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:32 | 3283481 tony bonn
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excellent summation but we are not run by idiots - we are ruled by nazis

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:02 | 3283584 buzzsaw99
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if only

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:35 | 3283908 DaveyJones
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no I think they hate middle class of all colors, faith and sexual preference

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:27 | 3284203 TBT or not TBT
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Jeremiah wright was ans is big on anti-middle class themes. His anti-Americanness explains the obamas loyalty. 20 years of Sundays.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:00 | 3283482 medium giraffe
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Founded by geniuses?  So mass genocide is genius now?

Removal Act, 1830.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:29 | 3283688 I am more equal...
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Trying to kill the cockroaches.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:33 | 3283488 CPL
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The founding US signers had their critics at the time as well, internally and even amongst themselves.  State taught history tends to dull the details of the reality of that particular situation.  If you want to read American history at that time and get a complete picture, you read the letters sent to England at the time during the birth of the USA.

Like any time and place there was the typical spread of friendships to loathing in the founding group.  There are lots of myths about the revolution.

See England wasn't defeated by bullets, it's because the people working in the colony sayd "fuck you, we're keeping our money/your taxes and enjoy living on nothing."

Think of Greece as a student of the Early revolutionaries.  People dropped off the tax roster pretty fast once they knew what was up.  Want to change things, take the money away.  You hired them.  You can stop paying them.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:45 | 3283524 Herd Redirectio...
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Which is why the elites are afraid to death of corporate and tax boycotts.  Take the money out of the Wall St. banks, convert to PMs and other tangible assets, NEVER buy from Walmart, national fast food co.s etc. 

The only thing that scares them more is the people becoming aware of the desirability of a debt jubilee.  Who wins?  Debtors/debt slaves/everyone. 

Who loses? The creditor/Wall St/TBTF/Rothschild/Illuminati/Fractional Reserve banksters...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:09 | 3283832 Just Ice
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"Debt jubilee" sounds to me like a cousin of the free shit army.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:37 | 3283904 CPL
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Not really.  Those in the free shit army wouldn't get a penny after the point because a Jubillee flattens the government income to zero (remember it's all debt by this point) and they would have to wait until the taxes are collected on the next fiscal year.


For a year there would be no government.  Hence the reason only 'semi-dieties' like kings and queens were allowed to declare a jubillee because just like the Pope.  Royality carries the infalibility of God and his judgement being final.  While atheism is required in daily secular life it removed the single function that regulated medieval economies from tipping completely into the shitter.

Fear of the god head saying nobody owes anyone anything as of today.  

Today though that would sound completely insane.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:04 | 3284138 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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(I think: interesting!)


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:39 | 3284183 CPL
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That's why having physical is pretty damn important.  The paper bonds/fiat/loan papers would all be rendered worthless.  Guess what becomes the currency again?  PM's, while all that happens the first guys that have PM's are mega rich, but as time goes on.  Bonds are written against the gold in the vault versus IOU's.  England has been flat on it's ass broke twice a century for 1600 years. 

It's why there's no really old old blood past from past 1880 and fewer still after 1930.  A Jubillee is a reset button.  Countless journals of self important blow hards over four hundred years that buy/grant themselves titles as Duke of Such and such, get into some investments that are poorly timed.


Then poof!  Family fortune gone.  The titles and land revert to the crown.  It's why in commonwealth countries all property ownership is based on a lease to the crown, it's suppose to coincide with the lease date on the jubillee historically.  If you want to read something that would blow your mind.  The tally stick.  Common currency in England for a couple of hundred years was sticks.

If you were a peasant or a lord in the 1100 century that was a twenty dollar bill.  That was a steak, a drunken spree, and the finest toothless crotch washed whore in the township.  Good times.


That's also why England has never had any massive uprising like France had/have/will have.  They have a god head that can run the place any time they wish to.  The term Royal in front of any Commonwealth nation's Espirit de Corp is no mistake.   Loyal to the Crown.  If Elizabeth the ][ wished a Jubillee across all of England and the Commonwealth tommorrow it would be done the same moment it was commanded legally by the governor generals that sit in all Commonwealth Parliments.  The Queen is still, THE QUEEN.  It is in her power.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:00 | 3284290 Icantstopthinki...
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It's in the bible.  It's the only thing that ends the multigenerational indentured servitude due to compounding interest.  That or completely banning all forms of usuary. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:31 | 3284372 CPL
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It is completely forbidden by all Abrahamic Religions because the Jews watched Egypt destroyed by it (fait and bonds and a very traditional trade of gold smith), the Christians watched the Romans then again destroy their own Empire with fiat and paper (seriously, paper money is not new).  

It's the reason for a jubilee, the original mercenaries that were hired by Rome to watch out over their property (aka England) got screwed hard.  All that paper signed was worthless, promises were worthless.  So the mercenaries took the property and that is that.

England is the mercenaries repo and seizure.  The Jubilee is the release valve that acts as the brake pad.  People have a strange idea that people sat around and flogged themselves and prayed to god, etc, etc.  

Which they did, they also worked, the newest invention a common language of communication (latin).  People wrote a lot...there really wasn't much to do.  There are science fiction stories, economics lessons, nature dialogues, diagrams of advanced water engines which helped develop mills, everything that Google is today, that was Rome.  And it was understood that humans are exceptionally retarded with money, so there has to be a release valve.  So that's what the answer was.

Doesn't have to make sense is a representation of faith.  A person has to believe it's worth something.  

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 01:39 | 3284719 Alpha Monkey
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That, and peasant revolts.  Also, it goes way back past the bible.  A good read and an interesting perspective on debt, money, and government.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:33 | 3283490 Umh
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Way off topic. Does anyone know how to get a 1040 instruction booklet. I went to the main post office and the library. The post office had nothing out; I didn't wait in line to ask. The library had instruction for the 1040EZ; like instructions are needed. I know I can do without, but I dog ear the sections I need and besides if I have to spend a week on this I want to be as comfortable as I can be during the process.


While I'm at it why don't they just do my taxes and send me a copy?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:35 | 3283498 CPL
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Why would you pay a bad employee that's lost you 110 trillion dollars?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:41 | 3283512 Umh
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Because I'm to old to go to jail!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:58 | 3283566 CPL
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fair enough...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:16 | 3283645 Anglo Hondo
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Works for me.

EDIT: Agent beat me to it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:38 | 3283722 Umh
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Thanks, but I can print a copy myself. I was hoping for a cheap newsprint copy. It seems to me that they are just pushing another cost onto the consumer (me). It cost to much to print that many pages on an inkjet printer.

What I will end up doing it seems is printing off those pages I need. This seems silly, but I'm one of those people who just barely need to file the long form, but I have to. I don't mind the concept of electronic filing, but why do they make us file at all; they have all the information for most of us. I'm waiting for Anonymous to hack the IRS since I'm sure they are hackable.

I actually use software to compute my taxes and have found several cases where it misses things that are in the booklet like points on refinancing.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:53 | 3283799 CPL
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Like Greece, you won't find any tax return forms in any office.  

To do that, you actually have to pay your printers and suppliers which has been a big problem on the Hill.  I've understood that all sorts of silly memos have been delivered all over all agencies discussing using office supplies for the office.  

Which is managerial code for "loot the shit out of the supply cabinet, it's going to be a while before you see another pen in here".

I posted something in Jan about the 'technical' problems IRS refunds were having.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:05 | 3283591 Agent P
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You could also try your nearest IRS office...while there, please take note of the armed guard.  If your government places armed guards in tax offices, but won't allow them in schools, you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots...see, you weren't off topic at all.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:06 | 3283600 McMolotov
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Got mine from the library, but you can also download PDFs of tax forms and instructions from the IRS website, though going there feels a bit like what I imagine a pious minister would experience if he wandered into an S&M club run by Satan.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:57 | 3283802 CPL
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What year is the one you got from the library?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:35 | 3283497 lolmao500
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Yet those statists fuckers will never understand... America needs a big fucking purge of these scum.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:25 | 3283847 Renfield
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Deleted. Sorry, commented in the wrong place. Just count this as a simple upvote.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:42 | 3283514 NidStyles
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The founding fathers certainly were not geniuses, and no the US has never really been a home for Civilized Men. Civilized Men do not need to steal from each other through taxation and inflation.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:55 | 3283558 lolmao500
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They were geniuses with balls compared to the rest of the world.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:09 | 3283623 Black Markets
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So we should annul all the amendments?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:32 | 3284074 CH1
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Love the flag NidStyles, but Jefferson, Sam Adams and some others were great men.

Perhaps you're seeking modern perfection from men born more than 250 years ago. That's unfair and rather unkind.

And if you really want to know these men, read their correspondence.


Thu, 02/28/2013 - 09:04 | 3285222 Punch Bag
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But don't you need taxes to pay for health and education, etc?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:49 | 3283543 Encroaching Darkness
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If "theft" is a crime but "asset forfeiture" isn't …  you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If "for the children" justifies anything but "for yourself" justifies nothing …  you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

If a "state of emergency" lasts 35 years or more and counting …  you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.


Enough: one could go on all day thus.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:59 | 3283564 GeorgeHayduke
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Founded by geniuses...I always love this deification of the founders of the US. Sure, a few of them were geniuses, but there were also slave owners, ordinary guys and a handful of hustlers amongst them. They set this place up as a business to retain as much wealth as possible for themselves while they exploited what they could from nature and people. The freedom and righteous stuff were add-ons to that racket so the indentured servants would buy in. All of it only applied to white men too. Property owners at that.Considering all of this, I would say we pretty much have the government they set out to create.

Also, the people in this government come from the system that created them. We have an overbearing, cumbersome, controlling, insecure, rude and thoughtless government, because this country is filled with overbearing, cumbersome, controlling, insecure, rude and thoughtless people.

Which of the following thoughts do you think are foremost in the mind of anyone elected as a senator, congressman or president these days:

1. Now I can do something great for this country and my fellow citizens;

2. Oh yeah! It's my turn at the trough!!!

I'll pick #2 because it reflects the vast majority of people who live in the US. Accept the reality folks and get past the myths and delusions.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:28 | 3283692 Peterus
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Even if it is 1 it still will work badly.

After all it will be an idea of this individual of how to make other people happy and he will be incentivised to pursue his dream (noble, or not so much) with ... other's people money. If a private man wants more people to own their homes he can start some charity, give away some of his money, or encourage saving and honest work. If a president wants more people to own their homes he makes a grand scheme that not only fails, but "helps" people that value other things higher than owning houses while robbing others to pay for it and pay expenses of the transfer and pay off votes and pay of faciliators like banks.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:48 | 3283763 GeorgeHayduke
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So then, absolute anarchy with purely market forces making ALL decision is the only answer? In a world of 7 billion people? I'm not sure it would work when so few people accept responsibility for their own actions. It's a nice theory with lots of fun rhetorical arguments for it by libertarian types, but not tenable in the real world. It also has no historical precedence in any culture beyond tribal systems.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:35 | 3284086 CH1
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I'm not sure it would work...

Honestly, George, it's none of your damn business how we live.

Go live however you wish. We'll even cooperate if we can. But we want to be left alone to live our way.

If it fails, that's our problem, not yours.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:52 | 3284450 GeorgeHayduke
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How you live is of absolute zero interest to me. Believe it or not, it's not ALL about YOU. If that's the best you can do in comprehending what I stated then I believe this conversation is well beyond your depth.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:58 | 3284468 Race Car Driver
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> It also has no historical precedence in any culture beyond tribal systems.

You say 'tribal systems' like it's low-brow. FYI, dumbass - there's a tribal system now running this entire fucking planet and it seems they've permeated every nook and fuckin' cranny. Very effective, they are, those tribesmen.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:09 | 3284499 Anusocracy
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The height of stupidity is thinking that a handful of elites can make all the decisions for 7 billion people.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 01:47 | 3284648 Race Car Driver
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I didn't say 'a handful of elites' - I said tribe.

And seriously, think about who those 7B are - mostly proles of some nature or another who don't have the ability/wherewithal/resources/intelligence to tell the oppressors to fuck off, or run their own affairs in the first place. You bet your sweet ass that a handful of ultra-resourceful - power, wealth, resources - own this planet and make all the big decisions - like war, poverty, famine, disease, land use - for everyone else.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:47 | 3283758 Umh
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I have always been impressed at what the "founding fathers" created. Many people don't seem to get that they were amateurs: it was a part time gig  which they fit into their schedule unlike our current crop of career politicians. I'm sure they considered their own interest, but it worked.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:52 | 3283781 GeorgeHayduke
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So, it was kind of like a Chamber of Commerce where they worked on it in their spare time to better their business?

I agreem they did do an impressive job. However, a lot of mythology and idealism gets thrown into all of it and that tends to cloud things. Just like religion.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:29 | 3283856 smacker
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Can't say I agree with your premise.

Just because many of the people who go into government are corrupt, blood sucking slimeballs doesn't mean that this was planned and intended by the founding fathers and was part of a plot.

I believe they did their best *at the time* to create a constitution that would guarantee freedom for every person. The problems have arisen since then over very many decades of successive govenments.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:51 | 3283950 GeorgeHayduke
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Actually, women and non-white people have attained much more freedom since them. Admittedly, they did set up the ability to do it, but it also shows it hasn't been pure evil, corrupt, slimeballs ever since "the good ole days."

Also, I must be on the right track if the troll who dwell here are voting me down. Thanks trolls.

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