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Guest Post: 50 Signs That The U.S. Health Care System Is About To Collapse

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

The U.S. health care system is a giant money making scam that is designed to drain as much money as possible out of all of us before we die.  In the United States today, the health care industry is completely dominated by government bureaucrats, health insurance companies and pharmaceutical corporations.  The pharmaceutical corporations spend billions of dollars to convince all of us to become dependent on their legal drugs, the health insurance companies make billions of dollars by providing as little health care as possible, and they both spend millions of dollars to make sure that our politicians in Washington D.C. keep the gravy train rolling.  Meanwhile, large numbers of doctors are going broke and patients are not getting the care that they need.

At this point, our health care system is a complete and total disaster.  Health care costs continue to go up rapidly, the level of care that we are receiving continues to go down, and every move that our politicians make just seems to make all of our health care problems even worse.  In America today, a single trip to the emergency room can easily cost you $100,000, and if you happen to get cancer you could end up with medical bills in excess of a million dollars.  Even if you do have health insurance, there are usually limits on your coverage, and the truth is that just a single major illness is often enough to push most American families into bankruptcy.

At the same time, hospital administrators, pharmaceutical corporations and health insurance company executives are absolutely swimming in huge mountains of cash.  Unfortunately, this gigantic money making scam has become so large that it threatens to collapse both the U.S. health care system and the entire U.S. economy.

The following are 50 signs that the U.S. health care system is a massive money making scam that is about to collapse...

#1 Medical bills have become so ridiculously large that virtually nobody can afford them.  Just check out the following short excerpt from a recent Time Magazine article.  One man in California that had been diagnosed with cancer ran up nearly a million dollars in hospital bills before he died...

By the time Steven D. died at his home in Northern California the following November, he had lived for an additional 11 months. And Alice had collected bills totaling $902,452. The family’s first bill — for $348,000 — which arrived when Steven got home from the Seton Medical Center in Daly City, Calif., was full of all the usual chargemaster profit grabs: $18 each for 88 diabetes-test strips that Amazon sells in boxes of 50 for $27.85; $24 each for 19 niacin pills that are sold in drugstores for about a nickel apiece. There were also four boxes of sterile gauze pads for $77 each. None of that was considered part of what was provided in return for Seton’s facility charge for the intensive-care unit for two days at $13,225 a day, 12 days in the critical unit at $7,315 a day and one day in a standard room (all of which totaled $120,116 over 15 days). There was also $20,886 for CT scans and $24,251 for lab work.

#2 This year the American people will spend approximately 2.8 trillion dollars on health care, and it is being projected that Americans will spend 4.5 trillion dollars on health care in 2019.

#3 The United States spends more on health care than Japan, Germany, France, China, the U.K., Italy, Canada, Brazil, Spain and Australia combined.

#4 If the U.S. health care system was a country, it would be the 6th largest economy on the entire planet.

#5 Back in 1960, an average of $147 was spent per person on health care in the United States. By 2009, that number had skyrocketed to $8,086.

#6 Why does it cost so much to stay in a hospital today?  It just does not make sense.  Just check out these numbers...

In 1942, Christ Hospital, NJ charged $7 per day for a maternity room. Today it’s $1,360.

#7 Approximately 60 percent of all personal bankruptcies in the United States are related to medical bills.

#8 One study discovered that approximately 41 percent of all working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

#9 The U.S. health care industry has spent more than 5 billion dollars on lobbying our politicians in Washington D.C. since 1998.

#10 According to the Association of American Medical Colleges, the U.S. is  currently experiencing a shortage of at least 13,000 doctors.  Unfortunately, that shortage is expected to grow to 130,000 doctors over the next 10 years.

#11 The state of Florida is already dealing with a very serious shortage of doctors...

Brace yourself for longer lines at the doctor's office.

Whether you're employed and insured, elderly and on Medicare, or poor and covered by Medicaid, the Florida Medical Association says there's a growing shortage of doctors — especially specialists — available to provide you with medical care.

And if the Florida Legislature goes along with Gov. Rick Scott's recommendation to offer Medicaid coverage to an additional 1 million Floridians — part of the Affordable Care Act that takes effect next January — the FMA says that shortage will only get worse.

#12 At this point, approximately 40 percent of all doctors in the United States are 55 years of age or older.

#13 In America today, many hospital executives make absolutely ridiculous amounts of money...

In December, when the New York Times ran a story about how a deficit deal might threaten hospital payments, Steven Safyer, chief executive of Montefiore Medical Center, a large nonprofit hospital system in the Bronx, complained, “There is no such thing as a cut to a provider that isn’t a cut to a beneficiary … This is not crying wolf.”

Actually, Safyer seems to be crying wolf to the tune of about $196.8 million, according to the hospital’s latest publicly available tax return. That was his hospital’s operating profit, according to its 2010 return. With $2.586 billion in revenue — of which 99.4% came from patient bills and 0.6% from fundraising events and other charitable contributions — Safyer’s business is more than six times as large as that of the Bronx’s most famous enterprise, the New York Yankees. Surely, without cutting services to beneficiaries, Safyer could cut what have to be some of the Bronx’s better non-Yankee salaries: his own, which was $4,065,000, or those of his chief financial officer ($3,243,000), his executive vice president ($2,220,000) or the head of his dental department ($1,798,000).

#14 Health insurance administration expenses account for 8 percent of all health care costs in the United States each year.  In Finland, health insurance administration expenses account for just 2 percent of all health care costs each year.

#15 If you can believe it, the U.S. ambulance industry makes more money each year than the movie industry does.

#16 All over America, people are reporting huge health insurance premium increases thanks to Obamacare.  The following example is from a recent article by Robert Wenzel...

A California small businessman tells me that he switched healthcare insurance carriers in 2012.  The monthly premium for him and his wife was about $400, but when he received his first bill in January of this year it was for $1,200.  He hasn't been to a doctor in years, his wife has only gone for minor care.

Apparently there is some clause in the Affordable Healthcare Act that results in health insurance firms using a new method to calculate premiums. Those who have health insurance plans that have been in effect since at least 2010 are grandfathered under the old calculation method, but insurance carriers are using a new formula for new plans.

#17 Blue Shield of California has announced that it wants to raise health insurance premiums by up to 20 percent this year in an effort to keep up with rising health costs.

#18 Aetna's CEO says that health insurance premiums for many Americans will double when the major provisions of Obamacare go into effect in 2014.

#19 Close to 10 percent of all U.S. employers plan to drop health coverage completely when the major provisions of Obamacare go into effect in 2014.

#20 According to a survey conducted by the Doctor Patient Medical Association, 83 percent of all doctors in the United States have considered leaving the profession because of Obamacare.

#21 Approximately 16,000 new IRS agents will be hired to help oversee the implementation of Obamacare, and the Obama administration has given the IRS 500 million extra dollars "outside the normal appropriations process" to help the IRS with their new duties.

#22 During 2013, Americans will spend more than 280 billion dollars on prescription drugs.

#23 Prescription drugs cost about 50% more in the United States than they do in other countries.

#24 In the United States today, prescription painkillers kill more Americans than heroin and cocaine combined.

#25 Nearly half of all Americans now use prescription drugs on a regular basis according to the CDC.  Not only that, the CDC also says that approximately one-third of all Americans use two or more pharmaceutical drugs on a regular basis, and more than ten percent of all Americans use five or more pharmaceutical drugs on a regular basis.

#26 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higher than in any other country in the world.

#27 In 2010, the average teen in the U.S. was taking 1.2 central nervous system drugs.  Those are the kinds of drugs which treat conditions such as ADHD and depression.

#28 Children in the United States are three times more likely to be prescribed antidepressants as children in Europe are.

#29 There were more than two dozen pharmaceutical companies that made over a billion dollars in profits during 2008.

#30 According to the CDC, approximately three quarters of a million people a year are rushed to emergency rooms in the United States because of adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs.

#31 According to a report by Health Care for America Now, America's five biggest for-profit health insurance companies ended 2009 with a combined profit of $12.2 billion.

#32 The top executives at the five largest for-profit health insurance companies in the United States combined to bring in nearly $200 million in total compensation for 2009.

#33 The chairman of Aetna, the third largest health insurance company in the United States, brought in a staggering $68.7 million during 2010. Ron Williams exercised stock options that were worth approximately $50.3 million and he raked in an additional $18.4 million in wages and other forms of compensation.  The funny thing is that he left the company and didn’t even work the entire year.

#34 It turns out that the financial assistance that Barack Obama promised would be provided for those with "pre-existing conditions" under Obamacare is already being shut down because of a lack of funding...

Tens of thousands of Americans who cannot get health insurance because of preexisting medical problems will be blocked from a program designed to help them because funding is running low.

Obama administration officials said Friday that the state-based “high-risk pools” set up under the 2010 health-care law will be closed to new applicants as soon as Saturday and no later than March 2, depending on the state.

#35 In America today, you are 64 times more likely to be killed by a doctor than you are by a gun.

#36 People living in the United States are three times more likely to have diabetes than people living in the United Kingdom.

#37 Today, people living in Puerto Rico have a greater life expectancy than people living in the United States do.

#38 According to OECD statistics, Americans are twice as obese as Canadians are.

#39 Greece has twice as many hospital beds per person as the United States does.

#40 The state of California now ranks dead last out of all 50 states in the number of emergency rooms per million people.

#41 According to a doctor interviewed by Fox News, "a gunshot wound to the head, chest or abdomen" will cost $13,000 at his hospital the moment the victim comes in the door, and then there will be significant additional charges depending on how bad the wound is.

#42 It has been estimated that hospitals overcharge Americans by about 10 billion dollars every single year.

#43 One trained medical billing advocate says that over 90 percent of the medical bills that she has audited contain "gross overcharges".

#44 It is not uncommon for insurance companies to get hospitals to knock their bills down by up to 95 percent, but if you are uninsured or you don’t know how the system works then you are out of luck.

#45 According to a study conducted by Deloitte Consulting, a whopping 875,000 Americans were "medical tourists" in 2010.

#46 Today, there are more than 56 million Americans on Medicaid, and it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

#47 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.  Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#48 Today, there are more than 50 million Americans on Medicare, and that number is projected to grow to 73.2 million in 2025.

#49 When Medicare was first established by Congress, it was estimated that it would cost the federal government $12 billion a year by the time 1990 rolled around.  Instead, it cost the federal government $110 billion in 1990, and it will cost the federal government close to $600 billion this year.

#50 Even if you do have health insurance, that is no guarantee that medical bills will not bankrupt you.  Just check out what a recent Time Magazine article says happened to one unfortunate couple from Ohio that actually did have health insurance...

When Sean Recchi, a 42-year-old from Lancaster, Ohio, was told last March that he had non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, his wife Stephanie knew she had to get him to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. Stephanie’s father had been treated there 10 years earlier, and she and her family credited the doctors and nurses at MD Anderson with extending his life by at least eight years.

Because Stephanie and her husband had recently started their own small technology business, they were unable to buy comprehensive health insurance. For $469 a month, or about 20% of their income, they had been able to get only a policy that covered just $2,000 per day of any hospital costs. “We don’t take that kind of discount insurance,” said the woman at MD Anderson when Stephanie called to make an appointment for Sean.

Stephanie was then told by a billing clerk that the estimated cost of Sean’s visit — just to be examined for six days so a treatment plan could be devised — would be $48,900, due in advance.

By the way, that hospital down in Houston made a profit of 531 million dollars in one recent year.

So what can be done about all of this?

Well, the truth is that the status quo is a complete and total disaster, and every "solution" being promoted by politicians from both major political parties would only make things worse.

In the end, the U.S. health care system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, but we all know that is not going to happen.

Instead, our politicians and the health care industry will just find additional ways to extract money from all of us, and the level of care that we all get will continue to decline.

If you don't believe this, just check out what Paul Krugman of the New York Times had to say recently...

We’re going to need more revenue…Surely it will require some sort of middle class taxes as well.. We won’t be able to pay for the kind of government the society will want without some increase in taxes… on the middle class, maybe a value added tax…And we’re also going to have to make decisions about health care, doc pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits . So the snarky version…which I shouldn’t even say because it will get me in trouble is death panels and sales taxes is how we do this.

Others are urging us to become more like Europe.

But do we really want what they have in the UK?...

Sick children are being discharged from NHS hospitals to die at home or in hospices on controversial ‘death pathways’.

Until now, end of life regime the Liverpool Care Pathway was thought to have involved only elderly and terminally-ill adults.

But the Mail can reveal the practice of withdrawing food and fluid by tube is being used on young patients as well as severely disabled newborn babies.

One doctor has admitted starving and dehydrating ten babies to death in the neonatal unit of one hospital alone.

Writing in a leading medical journal, the physician revealed the process can take an average of ten days during which a  baby becomes ‘smaller and shrunken’.

In the end, my philosophy is just to avoid the U.S. health care system as much as possible.  Most doctors are just trained to do two things - prescribe drugs and cut you open.  In an emergency situation where you are about to die, those may be your best options, but otherwise I would just as soon avoid the gigantic money making scam that the U.S. health care industry has become.

But just don't take my word for it.  The following is some very sound advice from Dr. Robert S. Dotson...

Avoid contact with the existing health care system as far as possible. Yes, emergencies arise that require the help of physicians, but by and large one can learn to care for one’s own minor issues. Though it is flawed, the internet has been an information leveler for the masses and permits each person to be his or her own physician to a large degree. Take advantage of it! Educate yourself about your own body and learn to fuel and maintain it as you would an expensive auto or a pet poodle. One does not need a medical degree to:

1. avoid excessive use of tobacco or alcohol or, for that matter, caffeine;
2. avoid poisons like fluoride, aspartame, high fructose corn syrup, and addictive drugs (legal or illicit);
3. avoid unnecessary and potentially lethal imaging studies (TSA’s radiation pornbooths, excessive mammography, repetitive CT scans – exposure to all significantly increases cancer risk);
4. avoid excessive cell phone use and exposure to other forms of EMR pollution where possible (the NSA is recording everything you say and text anyway);
5. avoid daily fast food use and abuse (remember: pink slime and silicone) ;
6. avoid untested GM foods (do you really want to become “Roundup Ready?”):
7. avoid most vaccinations and pharmaceutical agents promoted by the establishment;
8. avoid risky behaviors (and, we do not need a bunch of Nanny State bureaucrats to define and police these);
9. exercise moderately;
10. get plenty of sleep;
11. drink plenty of good quality water (buy a decent water filter to remove fluoride, chloride, and heavy metals);
12. wear protective gear at work and play where appropriate (helmets, eye-shields, knee and elbow pads, etc.):
13. seek out locally-grown, whole, organic foods and support your local food producers;
14. take appropriate nutritional supplements (multi-vitamins, Vitamin C, Vitamin D3);
15. switch off the TV and the mainstream media it represents;
16. educate yourself while you can;

And, lastly...


Doing these simple, common-sense things will add healthy years to a person’s life and help one avoid most medical encounters during his or her allotted time on earth.

So what do you think?

Do you believe that the U.S. health care system is a gigantic money making scam that is about to collapse?


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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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Happy Burning of the Reichstad Day!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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I thought obama fixed this with his "death panels"???

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment macholatte
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What’s wrong with this picture:


I have insurance……

hospital bill = $20,000

hospital writes off $18,500

total cost is now $1500

I do not have insurance……

hospital bill = $20,000

hospital writes off $0

total cost is now $20,000

Did the hospital make money when it only got $1500?


So what’s with the phony $20k in charges?


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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....the inability or unwillingness to define "Fair and Reasonable."

I have had, at one point, 2 insurances (one from each job)

Either would be responsible for 80%.But I could only use one. Why couldn't the other cover the other 20%?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Point #35 says it all.  Doctors use patients as test cases, not as individuals needing care.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
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My favorite was #5, $147 to $8,086 per person.  I laughed for five minutes.  I still have the hospital bill from when I was born, low three figures.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Remember this "system" is about to destroy this nation and the best our political class could do was Obamacare.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment g speed
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We have this-and then there are the corrupt courts, the corrupt police, the corrupt military/industrial establishment, the churches full of pedifiles, non functioning educators, lying gov'ts, cheating stealing banks, lazy gang bangers, cheating lying stealing brokers and market makers, lying media, ugly stupid moviestars, a race baiting megalomaniacal  psychopathological fearless leader, greedy insipid baby kissing politicos, rising prices, falling quality, ------what's a mother to do?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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It's really a truly bullish development that the relatively massive, increasing average AND median price for health care insurance that is about to hit already in-debt-up-to-their-eyeballs Stanley & Shirley Johnsons of the nation will not only wipe out whatever income/savings a scant few of them have for purchasing discretionary goods/services, but will crimp the ability of the majority who are already borrowing each and every day just to live.

This is especially true of a huge % of the population that voted for ObaMao.

"If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's free." 

-- P.J. O'Rourke

And a bonus: GAO Report: Obamacare Adds $6.2 Trillion to Long-Term Deficit

Keep in mind that these are not these are not the estimates of some anti-Obama group, but of The Kaiser Family Foundation, which describes itself as follows:

A leader in health policy analysis, health journalism and communication, the Kaiser Family Foundation is dedicated to filling the need for trusted, independent information on the major health issues facing our nation and its people.  Kaiser is a non-profit, private operating foundation focusing on the major health care issues facing the U.S., as well as the U.S. role in global health policy.  Unlike grant-making foundations, Kaiser develops and runs its own research and communications programs, sometimes in partnership with other non-profit research organizations or major media companies.


We serve as a non-partisan source of facts, information, and analysis for policymakers, the media, the health care community, and the public. Our product is information, always provided free of charge — from the most sophisticated policy research, to basic facts and numbers, to information young people can use to improve their health or elderly people can use to understand their Medicare benefits.


The Kaiser Family Foundation is not associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries.

Unaffordable Cost Seen for Some Under Affordable Care Act

...The landmark health-care law, which survived the threats of repeal and a Supreme Court review, now confronts another hurdle: living up to expectations. As the administration spells out the details, many uninsured will be surprised at how much they will have to pay. It may involve “very substantial amounts,” and “there still will be a significant number of people who can’t afford health coverage,” said Ron Pollack, head of Families USA, a consumer group that backs the law.


A family of four earning $75,000 will pay $7,125 in annual premiums and as much as $8,333 in co-pays and deductibles, according to a preliminary estimate by the Kaiser Family Foundation. A single 40-year-old earning $30,000 will pay $2,509 in premiums and as much as $3,125 in cost sharing. For a 60- year-old making $40,000, the amount will be $3,800 in premiums and up to $4,167 in out-of-pocket costs, according to Kaiser.

Do you see? All those Everest, & University of Phoenixicans, who are extended-extended-unemployed or making minimum wage will be covered, families will catch that much needed "break," and seniors will rejoice! That family of 4 pulling down 75k will be thrilled to pay 15 1/2 k a year (or 20% of their total income). Those MANDATORY premiums and co-pays are only equal to an approximate 212% of most peoples' net-negative savings/extra cash!!! Wait until companies use the most ingenious methods to drop people from private or privately administered insurance onto the O-care dole.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Texas Ginslinger
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The scam is the American belief that they can eat bad food and live sedentary lifestyles, and fix it all later with prescribed pills.

Ed Bernays was right - people are sheeple, and will believe anything you tell them over and over and over....

Not far from where I live a major hospital rents space to a McDonald's.

That's right - a McDonald's inside a hospital...

Eating right and getting regular vigerous exercise is a pointless waste of time and $$ to the masses...  

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Texas Ginslinger
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Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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For your amusement, here's Donna Brazile's tweet today wondering why her health insurance premium went up LOL

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 04:52 | Link to Comment S5936
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Brazile cannot be THAT naive ... Can she ? Uh , yup , it's called hook line & sinker honey !! Answered that one for myself. Thank you.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Woodyg
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#1 in Spending per capita on Health Care

#51 in Life Expectency -

The difference is simply Profit Taking.....

Or as they say The Business of America is Business - or is it the Business of America is fleecing the muppits?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:31 | Link to Comment pursueliberty
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No shit.  My wife and I are self employed and maternity insurance is a racket.  We will be paying out of pocket for this, her insurance kicks in when it is out of her body.  Just to get the baby out vaginally will set up back around $10k in a hospital, around $7k if we go with a midwife at home.  I'm wanting mid wife, I did a semester in L&D in RN school, and out of the 12 deliveries I saw only one needed a C Section, thus had to be done in a hospital.  All of the others could have been done on my couch. 


Hell, I might watch some youtube videos and give it a go myself.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Apply Force
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We have gone the midwife route which is not covered by my wife's ins (though hospital delivery would be covered) for general health reasons anyway... all out of pocket for us, voluntarily.  If we absolutely need to go to the hospital due to complications we will, but otherwise we avoid the "health care" system entirely.

I last had regular "health ins" in college about 20 years ago, and only catastrophic ins recently at my wife's behest.  If you generally take care of yourself and can comprehend causation, correlation and chance there is no need.

Just as retirement is a newer concept, so is "health" insurance - responsibility for your actions is not on most American's radar.  No matter - mass illusions like these are withering on the vine. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Shaten
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I just got done with hospital care last year.

Emergency appendix.

After it wass all said and done I had bills totaling around 20k. I simply called and negotiated and cut it down to under 9k. I continued to researched it and realized my target should have been under 5k.

1) Negotiate with the hospital first. Make them take a large haicut. (usually 75% but for say 24 hours + surgery 3k is enough, for a day in bed less than 500.)

2) Use this percentage of discount and force all the billers to take the same percentage of a haircut. ( and they will to, usually you need to forward them the hospital bill so they can verify the hospital reduced it's cost).

3) and don't forget to ask for 2% to 3% off the bill for paying with a check instead of a credit card.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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B I N G O 

you have IDed the problem of the at least gives one a 'contract price'...without that you are a potential (medical system) rape victim

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Pizza man
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Why is it that every time a post about H/C is placed on this site, it is written by anti-capitalists? I never read about cronyism and healthcare. Insurance companies and rug companies are always the villians. Fine assholes, describe the system without them.

Government has fucked up our H/C system. Cronyism has polluted the private sector contributrion. And government is the mother of all Cronyism.

We need gov out of healthcare, more in the ability to sell policies in all 50 states and as Dr. Carson has stated, HSA accounts from birth.

Tort reform would not hurt.

WE ARE TOO FAT. If we had an HSA and had to buy our own care, we would think twice about those extra pounds and the costs they represent.

Just Sayin'

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Relax!  Our Surgeon General is all over this problem like butter on cornbread.

I can't can't count the number of programs she has implemented, or the times she has advocated for the American citizen.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Surgeon General Chunky McBlubber appointed by the Smoker-in-Chief. Welcome to Bizarroworld.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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At least they got rid of the tax cheat running Treasury.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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Only to replace him with a guy who hides his money in the Caymans...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Manthong
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.. like lard on Wonder Bread.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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I prefer Wonder on LARD Bread.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Random_Robert
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Best belly laugh I've had in months...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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No way man, that's Java the HUT! 



Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment SokPOTUS
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Koop wasn't exactly Atlas, either...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment European American
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Yes, but he lived to be 96 and there is absolutely no comparison between him and aunt jemima.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Cynthia
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Bear in mind that Medicare, built in 1965 without robust computing technology and the like, took less than a year to build, with 19 million enrolled at the outset ( see link below). When you add up all the exchange architecture, and the calculations for subsidies, and the need to explain eligibility and attract new customers (which means call centers and perhaps telemarketers), it becomes maddening. It becomes a bloated, graceless machine out of Rube Goldberg's worst nightmare. It’s a far cry from “turn 65, sign up for Medicare, pay a premium.” The antiquated federal IT systems can handle the latter. It appears clear they cannot handle the former.

We know now that something called "ObamaCare" will exist. We don’t know how well it will work.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment macholatte
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We know now that something called "ObamaCare" will exist. We don’t know how well it will work.


Beauty is in the eye.....

I can virtually guarantee that how well it works for the patients will not be as envisioned of how well it works for the architects of destuction. Two completely different outcomes.

Obamacare = $20,000/yr for denial of care

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:52 | Link to Comment redd_green
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We do know how well it will work.  it is in place right now.    It is "lobbyist care", not Obamacare.   Lobbyists sat down with the president and congress, told them what they wanted and got it: wild, ridiculous, across the board price increases.   All of this nonsense on this blog about "government takeover" is horse crap.  its lobbyists that run teh US government, not the other way around.  Look around you!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment g speed
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It will work till the first guy with a small health problem gets run-a-round (and his condition becomes terminal) and goes postal-- believe me it will be a whole new level of "postal" and copy cats will be everywhere.

Thu, 02/28/2013 - 05:06 | Link to Comment S5936
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Speaking of old Rube Goldberg lets not leave Al Goldstein out of this discussion.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Bandit und Buster
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Good suggestions!  I would only add in regards to the internet, use a good search engine like and for any ailment first search "natural remedies for ......."  There are many remedies in spices and whole (raw) foods that cure or prevent everything from heartburn to the big C.  Many nanotechnologies are now offered to get natural substances dierctly into your bloodstream w/o being compromised by your digestive system. i.e.  Vitamin C, Glutathione, et al.  (  There is MUCH the TV and the med profession don't want you to know about natural healing. Keep in mind, our ancestors 100 yrs ago did fine w/o big pharma robbing them. Raw milk, raw eggs & raw honey are a good start. Why do you think most governments/states are so determined to shut down the sale of raw milk & dairy? Why do you think the 'statists' try to scare you about the dreded 'salminella'?  1 egg is 33,000, if I recall correctly, is found to have such. And unlike most Rx drugs rarely kills anyone.  Spend some time researching and save your $$$. This is NOT intended as medical advice, just common sense.  Proverbs 27:27 "thou shalt have enough goat's milk for you and your servants..."  and they didn't have pastuerization then!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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I don't need 50 signs.  I need look no further than Michelle's monstrous rearend and all that it implies.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Dealer
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Dude, thats funny.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:33 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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One sign, many implications.  More than 50, probably.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
Thu, 02/28/2013 - 05:11 | Link to Comment S5936
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LM Shorts , + 10 on that !!! , f'in funny stuff.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Midas
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Are you saying it's fifty inches?

Wait, let me rephrase dat, "Yo, you sayin' dat fiddy inch?"  Thick, striaght-up.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:05 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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I nominate Sir Mix-A-Lot as Secretary of HHS.  There's a synergy there.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:09 | Link to Comment OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Yeah and WTF is Wookie doing at the Oscars and hopping around on Jimmy Fallon?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment savagegoose
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fuck em all,  eat healthy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Actually, fuck only one, eat healthy, and exercise is probably even better advice.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment redpill
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And remember, stress causes more health problems than just about anything.  So crack open a cold one and don't worry about it all so much :)


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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The documented longest living person smoked cigarettes for 95 years and drank red wine.

Apparently she wasn't a heavy smoker, though.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Outlive the bastards.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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One word: Corporate Welfare

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment toady
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Anyone that thinks this wasn't written by the insurance companies for the insurance companies is a fool. The only other group that gets anything out of this is .gov and they only get a control mechanism.

The Dr's get jewed down on price, the general public gets jewed up on price, the corps & 'administrators' get the billions in profits & millions in salaries.

Nothing new here.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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"The U.S. health care system is a giant money making scam that is designed to drain as much money as possible out of all of us before we die."

No, that's just a side effect. It is designed to establish state control of its subjects bodies. You can't fully control a population without controlling their bodies and their minds. Extracting money from the victims in the process is how you establish the mechanisms of control in a corporatist state such as ours is today.

In the coming Glorious Democratic State, healthcare will be "free", because the mechanism of control will be absorbed completely into the State... aka "single payer system".


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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The only reason i need is from my #1 nurse who also says the fucking thing is nothing but a broke joke.

There is no healthcare in this country.

Go to a doctor, and take your life in your hands.


If you think bank scandals are bad, you aint seen nothin yet..

Dey be whole lotta "doctors" out there that really aint doctors..

Hey, but who cares, nobody checks anything anyway.

So, you wanna be a doctor??

Get you a DBA an open a practice!!

I now know why they call it "PRACTICE"..

I will submit much, much more is needed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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I got a kidney stone while visiting France and had to spend 8 hours in a Paris hospital emergency room.

France medicine is nationalized, but only for citizens.

I got IV's, medicine, CAT scans, X-rays, ultrasound, lab work, total bill about $500.

On discharge, I was given 3 prescriptions. Anti inflamatory, stomach med, and pain med. I had to pay cash at a pharmacy. They gave me about 3-4 times MORE pills than prescribed because they were pre-packaged that way. My total cost was $30. (for all three)

Tell me we're NOT getting raped here!

How much of the excess charge is "malpractice insurance."

This is the REAL underlying problem with all of our woes. Parasitic lawyers perverting the laws, protecting the guilty, and raising costs.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment centerline
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I have read about similar circumstances in many other countries.  Something is downright broken here.  In almost every insurance category.  Premiums have simply gone vertical since the early 2000's.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Mother came for a visit(FL) and had a minor kidney stone.  2 hours in an ER exam room, chatted to two nurses for 20 minutes, one doctor for 15, two pain shots, and out the door.

They billed Medicare $13,000...

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment jballz
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I looked into a malpractice suit a few years ago, talked to three lawyers, they were not inclined to take the case on contingency, and all said malpractice is actually very hard to win if they do not actually kill or permanently mutilate you.

Anyway how you can take the above list and arrive at the conclusion that it is frivolous lawsuits that are the real problem only speaks to the fact that you must be a total fucking moron.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:23 | Link to Comment OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Yeah, it ain't the lawsuits. But I live in a country (Australia) that does have a few solutions to the problems. First is a simple law called "loser pays". It means the loser in a lawsuit pays the legal costs of the other side. Shuts down frivolous lawsuits cold. Second thing they have is "single payer" health care. I go to the doctor on Monday, and by Tuesday afternoon the reimbursement is IN my bank account. Excellent available affordable care (Aussies will moan that it's not as good as it used to be but they have no clue how much better it is than the US)

But Oh No, Obomba took single payer "off the table" on Day One. Had to protect Big Insurance and Big Pharma somehow...heh heh


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:10 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I see people discuss "parasitic lawyers" in the context of med mal all the time without actually articulating what is wrong with the legal system in this regard.  Care to elaborate?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Thisson
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The costs aren't due to malpractice lawyers.  The costs are due to cost-shifting mechanisms.  Nobody cares/checks what the price is because the insurance co is picking up the tab, so they request every service without regard to cost.  Then the insurance company has to raise premiums.  The best solution is to end all insurance and subsidies and have a cash-on-the-barrel system.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Has nothing to do with lawyers. It has everything to do with control.

In France, the people that matter don't care how much foreigners get billed. Who knows what connection those charges have with reality-- it's a bureaucracy doing the billing, after definition, disconnected idiots. Too high? Too low? Who knows. The fact that it is much cheaper than here is a smokescreen. After all, you aren't going to fly to France every time you want medical treatment. And if you did, the French would change their system and start charging foreigners a lot more.

What you are missing is, in France, the statist goal has been achieved. French nationals are now wards of the state. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Actually, medical malpractice lawsuits, as outrageous and as frivolous as they often may be (but they aren't always), add an approximate 3% to national health care costs in the U.S.

That argument is basically a red herring that Big Pharma, the AMA and health insurers use to distract the sheeple as they rape & pillage the taxpayers through their lobbyist whores (who leverage the politician whores).

The math doesn't lie. I'm all for minimizing frivilous medical malpractice lawsuits, but costs associated with these are provable "small potatoes" compared to the oligarchic profits reaped by Big Pharma & Health Insurers who "fix prices" of health care and prescriptions.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:53 | Link to Comment redd_green
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It is "lobbyist care", not Obamacare.   Lobbyists sat down with the president and congress, told them what they wanted and got it: wild, ridiculous, across the board price increases.   All of this nonsense on this blog about "government takeover" is horse crap.  its lobbyists that run teh US government, not the other way around.  Look around you!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:30 | Link to Comment cents gradeschool
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I'm a nurse, I've already been told I will be fired next October for refusing the flu vaccine.

Yesterday I was told if I continue to refuse to set up an Health Savings Account with BNY Mellon, I will be forfeiting >$460 of my pay that the hospital has withheld from me this year for the HSA. If I give in and open the account, BNY will bill me every month for a service fee.

So the message to healthcare workers is that we are chattel to be vaccinated against our will, and we must pay the banksters or else. It's total corporatist control and hospitals luv it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Why not find other like-minded health professionals, and set up your own black-market practice? Strict cash-for-services, no insurance, no medicare, no medicaid.

You know that's where we're headed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment azusgm
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Surgery Center of Oklahoma

If I need elective surgery, that is where I'll go.

Besides, the boss is into Austrian economics.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment cents gradeschool
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That's exactly where we're headed. I'm trying to prepare for it by expanding my practice for the past year to 13 different units, and to learn from others who have great ideas for practicing post-collapse:  But we'll have to go full-tilt Bartertown before 98% of Drs and RNs will take a chance on black market practice, due to lawsuits and having to maintain our licenses in this overregulated system. It's ridiculous. The scene in Breaking Bad where the kingpin sets up a trauma unit in the middle of the desert to resuscitate him after he gets shot made me want to work for the cartel. Just to be free to get the job done without all the bs. So yes, after the probably unavoidable die-off of the obese 1/3 of Alabamians around me, that's definitely where we're headed.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment reader2010
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"Medical Professionals" won't be happy to hear that.  By the way, modern society is all about institutional repression, as Foucault put it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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By 2009, that number had skyrocketed to $8,086.

Currently it is $11,000 for 2013 (assuming 8% increase per year).

Without bloated health care, US GDP would be about 12% lower - about $2 trillion lower. That is about the GDP of Italy.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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People being sick doesn't boost the economy, the health care system just keeps people sick.

The focus on treating diseases rather than curing them re-inforces a declining economy, because its like fixing a window, breaking it, fixing it again, breaking it, fixing it again... breaking it... over and over, except instead of a window its peoples health.


Nominal increases in GDP are meaningless at this point 10 ~ 50% moves in nominal GDP will have no real world impact the statusque will remain the same.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment centerline
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Most modern economists would disagree with you.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Government operated programs are designed to be self-propagating.

The solution is to cure aging. Most diseases are results of aging.

We are at a time in technological development where a couple of billion dollars wisely spent (no government) over 20 years could cure aging.

Many things go wrong with aging bodies, but at the root of all of them is burden of decades of unrepaired damage to the cellular and molecular structures that make up the functional units of our tissues. As each essential microscopic structure fails, tissue function becomes progressively compromised – imperceptibly at first, but ending in the progressive slide into the diseases and disabilities of aging.

SENS Research Foundation’s strategy to prevent and reverse age-related ill-health is to apply the principles of regenerative medicine to repair the damage of aging at the level where it occurs. We are developing a new kind of medicine: regenerative therapies that remove, repair, replace, or render harmless the cellular and molecular damage that has accumulated in our tissues with time. By reconstructing the structured order of the living machinery of our tissues, these rejuvenation biotechnologies will restore the normal functioning of the body's cells and essential biomolecules, returning aging tissues to health and bringing back the body’s youthful vigor.


The Targets

Decades of research in aging people and experimental animals has established that there are no more than seven major classes of such cellular and molecular damage, shown in the table below. We can be confident that this list is complete, first and foremost because of fact that scientists have not discovered any new kinds of aging damage in nearly a generation of research, despite the increasing number of centers and scientists dedicated to studying the matter, and the use of increasingly powerful tools to prove the aging body. In its own way, each of these kinds of damage make our bodies frail, and contribute to the rising frailty and ill-health that appears in our sixth decade of life and accelerates thereafter.


Aging Damage

Year Discovered

Rejuvenation Biotechnology

SENS Strand

Cell loss, tissue atrophy


Stem cells and tissue engineering


Nuclear [epi]mutations (only cancer matters)

19592, 19823

Removal of telomere-lengthening machinery


Mutant mitochondria


Allotopic expression of 13 proteins


Death-resistant cells


Targeted ablation


Tissue stiffening

19586, 19817

AGE-breaking molecules; tissue engineering


Extracellular aggregates


Immunotherapeutic clearance


Intracellular aggregates


Novel lysosomal hydrolases



The specific metabolic processes that are ultimately responsible for causing all of this damage are still only partially understood. The good news is that we don’t need to answer the many open questions about the causes of structural decay in order to develop effective therapies to reverse it. No matter what caused a given unit of damage in the first place, the same regenerative therapeutics can be used to repair it. In other words, it doesn’t matter how a given microscopic lesion occurred, if we apply rejuvenation biotechnologies that restore the machinery of life to proper working order,

The even better news is that we now understand how to fix all of this damage. For each major class of aging damage, a strategy for its removal or repair either already exists in prototype form, or is foreseeable from existing scientific developments: see the specific “Rejuvenation Biotechnology” listed for each kind of aging damage in the Table, and the right-hand navigation bar above.

Even after we have used these new therapies to repair an aging tissue, metabolic processes will continue to cause new damage. This simply means that rejuvenation biotechnologies are not a one-off fix, but will need to be periodically repeated to preserve youthful function. Just as cars need regular rounds of oil changes and spark plug replacements to keep them running smoothly, people will need to go in to rejuvenation clinics to keep up with their regenerative treatments to continue postponing age-related disease.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Healthcare companies are in "the club", they have a great lobby, but no interest in seeing a truly healthy America, it is counter productive to their bottom line and profits.  Just like banks would hate to see people "debt free".

Again folks, wake the fuck up, humanity isn't just another ponzi, it is the ponzi.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment centerline
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My perspective has changed rather dramatically over the last few years upon attempting to see the bigger picture and coming to the very same conclusion.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 18:05 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Big Pharma knows why we still fight plaque.  Your congressman CAN'T help you.  He's just an unwitting enabler.  His role is to actually ensure this type of thing by creating laws to protect this type of thing. 

Things like cures, honesty, or general abundance in just about anything comes with an opportunity cost.  These costs are becoming unaffordable.  

The system insists on skim but now it wants scalps.  Dog eat dog has become dog eat dog fetus.

Our politicians are there to make sure the "best man" wins.   

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment CaptainSpaulding
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I haven't been to a doctor in 6 years. Red wine, imported hand rolled cigars and flax seeds are keeping the doctors away. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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#51 - It is (co) dependent upon the Ponzi.

<Ben Bernanke to the emergency room.....stat.>

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment eaglerock
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I went into my local grocery store pharmacy and counted 15 people working there behind the counter filling prescriptions.  We are indeed a nation of pill poppers.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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<<I went into my local grocery store pharmacy and counted 15 people working there behind the counter filling prescriptions. >>


And that's for only one guy...the massively overweight fellow in the scooter! (the guy w/ with diabetes, high blood pressure, cirrhosis, asthma, and, of course, low back pain).

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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You forgot foot and knee pain

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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I live in North Dakota and yes they pop pills like candy , yet none of them think there is anything wrong with been on 4 to 5 different meds a day, and NONE of them have any concept about eating healthy or organic.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Send your hospital bills to the I.R.S. Let them know you quit paying anybody ever again. Then move to California where we know how to handle paper contracts.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Dr Paul Krugman
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Collapse!  Ack!  Buy gold!


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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By adding the sarc tag I'm guessing that instead of gold you are really buying silver.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Uncle Zuzu
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Health care is over rated.  We'll all die anyway. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment devo
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Who cares stocks are up.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Does - A - Bear - Shit - In - The - Woods.....?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment maskone909
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Hey hey hey smoke weed every day

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:34 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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No lie.

A summary was posted on NIH website for a day before it was removed.

Guess who holds the patent on (the essentially useless) synthetic THC marketed as Marinol?

Yup, .Gov.

Guess who doesn't want you growing medicine in your back yard?

Not me.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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The biggest scam is when you go in sick the first time, they run some tests and tell you to come back in two weeks. The next day the results come back normal, but they pull you in for another billable visit just to tell you that.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment cents gradeschool
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If it's routine bloodwork you can order it online yourself, pay a cut rate, and go to any LabCorp clinic at your convenience to have it drawn, then get your results emailed to you

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment economessed
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#52 - Over-prescribing psycho-tropic drugs to unstable individuals results in mass shootings.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Speaking of 50... There are 50 ways to leave your lover:

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment BurningFuld
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50 years old and just had my "Experience" with the Canadian Health Care system.  Had a suspicious mole removed from my scalp. I must say...super speedy excellent experience from start to finish. 10 days from start to finish and was done by a real plastic surgeon. Staff cold not have been nicer...had to wait like 45 minutes the morning of procedure.  Total cost = zero.  Criticizing of the Canadian system is waaay misplaced. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment akak
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Total cost = zero.


I guess you still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy too, eh?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Total cost = zero....that's pretty damn funny. I suppose that the plastic surgeon and staff work for free.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment besnook
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actually he is very close to being correct. the plans vary across the provinces but the highest income tax rate in canada(federal and provincial) is less than 50%. it is much less for average or median income, very comparable to usa tax rates. the difference between the two countries is canadians get free healthcare for their tax payments and residents of the usa have to pay another 30%($15000 for a family of 4 on a $50000 income) if they get insurance at all.

so, yes. he paid nothing and you stupid yanks are stuck on stupid.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Catch-22
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Take it easy with the insults… that Canadian self esteem problem always seem to have a way to surface…

That said, I hate to say it, but he is actually right. I am both CAN/US citizen and lived half my life in both countries; experienced it personally.


I wrote the following post December 10, 2012:

I left socialist Canada 20 years ago to avoid taxes that soaked up any little gravy you managed to put aside…  Now, life in US (FL) is 20K more expensive than CAN if you consider hidden taxes:

- Income Tax:                    roughly the same (if you avoid Spain Quebec)

- Property Tax:                   2500 in BC and 9000 in FL (on a 500K house)

- House Insurance:              1000 in BC and 5000 in FL (Tax Scam)

- Health Insurance 2:            Free in BC and 4000 in FL with 7500 deductible each (Tax Scam)


Oh! I almost forgot, in FL you need to live in a gated community if you care about surviving… That’s another 6000 in fees. In Canada you can still leave your doors unlocked in some (I said some!) small towns…

Damn that grass is greener…



Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Is your Florida house near the coast? Do you pay extra for hurricane insurance? How many hurricanes have you endured in BC?

And about that gated community costing $6K to get security. You can get all the security you need by going to the local gun shop. Lots cheaper, even with the bullets.

Those things aside, you're correct in pointing out how truly messed up the US is thanks to our idiotic overlords' manipulation of the system. But at least in Florida, you're always within 50 miles of the border, so you don't have to worry about your Constitutional rights. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:52 | Link to Comment cents gradeschool
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worse than that, it's zero-constitutionlandia in all areas 100 miles from the coast or national borders.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:54 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Our intrepid new Secretary of State, one John Kerry (or is it Heinz-Kerry?), said Americans have the right to be stupid. Our politicians provide concrete examples every hour of every day.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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"so, yes. he paid nothing and you stupid yanks are stuck on stupid."

Ha ha ha, you fucking idiot. If he pays taxes, then he paid something. If he doesn't pay taxes, then yes, he got the services for free. And some taxpayer got stuck with the bill, only he or she didn't know it, couldn't do anything about, and wasn't even consulted.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 19:47 | Link to Comment besnook
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i'll speak slowly and louder for you.

if you are american you pay the same level of taxes as a canadian. the canadian gets all the same services as you do(actually more) and gets health insurance on top of it. so compared to you he pays no premium for health insurance or, if you like, he pays a much lower tax rate than you do(and still gets more services) if healthcare was backed out. as i said, compared to your rate of tax obligation a canadian pays nothing for healthcare.

you, as an american, pay 2.9% of your wages for a healthcare plan you cannot receive until you are 65 years old, pay for the healthcare of the poor out of your income taxes which you don't benefit from and then have to pay for private health insurance that  you are "stuck with the bill, only he or she didn't know it, couldn't do anything about, and wasn't even consulted."

so the canadian pays for his health insurance the same way tax payers pay for roads, bridges, airports, and all the other infrastructure .gov is responsible for that you don't consider you pay for directly or have a say in building it or ever even using it at the same rate someone else does.

you cross that bridge for free, don't you? or do you make an accounting of your cost every time you cross it? do you account for the number of guns your taxes pay for in the defense budget? or the interest on the debt?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:42 | Link to Comment negative rates
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No, it was scrambled eggs for breakfast, and belladonna for lunch, the rest of day you are on your own.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Burningfuld, my brother who lives in Seattle is always complaining how hard it is to get dr appts due to the fact there are many wealthy Canadians coming to the USA for medical treatments. I'm glad you had a wonderful experience in mole removal. How about letting us know how it goes for a triple bipass. I've been told for those costly procedures often require lengthy wait times.


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment QQQBall
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#51 Hospitals order services from "not in Network"Firms, so you get fucked full boat for blood tests, ambulance rides, etc.  I was unconcious once and the medical insurance company said I had to pay the full charge b/c it was an out of network ambulance.  I appealed and lost. They told me I could go to the State to appeal further. They charged me $1,250 for an ambulance ride. I could have taken a cab for $50 easily. I went from one hospital to another.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Banker's fiat, insurance, and lawyers have skewed the cost of everything in this country.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Government skews the cost of everything in this country.

There is no free market.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment devo
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I'm about to have surgery, and the hospital is quoting me 10,500 for one night's stay and the OR use. I don't have insurance, so this is their out of pocket rate.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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consider the Bamrungrad (sp?) Hospital in Thailand. A medical palace!!! They will quote you a price that include airfare for 2 and a place for your companion to stay. You could eat of the floor in that place. Someday American hospitals will be as nice (and cheap). The docs are typically American trained. It is very competivie medical tourism.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment devo
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Unfortunately it's a very specific surgery I need, and I have to have it done in the States. The surgery costs 51k, and then they're hitting me with that hospital bill on top of it. 1 night is 10,500? Really? I can understand a top surgeon charging 51k for a complex operation since he's one of a handful who can do it. But fuck I would rather sleep in my car post-op than pay 10,500 for a bed.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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Those 3rd testicles sure are expensive!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Cash on the barrel chop shop.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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 Chop shop is right----------at least when it was a women's facility. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment maskone909
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I work in medical research. I discovered a major study about to hit phase3 trials had based all of its previous work on incorrect dosage calculations. I have attempted to shed light on this by notifying the "higher-ups". It has been six months since it was swept under the rug. This drug will almost 100% certaintly be passed by the FDA. Fuck healthcare its a fuckin scam

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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They kept you on after you rocked the boat?  If you like your paycheck, you'd better start playing the Game.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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My premiums have risen 12% per year for the last 4 years. And yes, it's a killer!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Only 12%? You're lucky.

And don't worry, Medical insurance premiums don't count as inflation so you're good.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment hootowl
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It feasts on your fear!!!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment liv2win
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health care industry has been broken since 1962.  Shit is just now coming to roost.  One example:

insurance company wants to retain medical group and/or hospital in the network.  Medical group and/or hospital demand 50% increase in fees for their services.  Insurance company negotiates the reimbursement rates so that the impact on premiums is still competitive.  Insurance company A-Z colludes with medical groups and hospitals to increase the fees to the appropriate level.  Insurance company profit remains approx 2-6%, increases to $X billion.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Gohn Galt
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How can gun run healthcare fail?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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a bit of Type O Negitive to go along with this post-

"Life Is Killing Me"

Like a Jew in ancient Spain
And for Christ's name did pay with pain
Modern day inquisition
What is the link between these crafts?
Doctors and thieves, they both wear masks
Overpaid meat magicians

Life is killing me

Your doctorate and Ph.D.
Would wipe my ass etched in feces
Will not cure your affliction
Doctors Jeckyll or Mengele
And your face too, they're just a blur
Can't improve my condition

Life is killing me

Appointment made, waited three hours
Did not realize you had such power
I'd rather see a mortician
Your parents saved or had the bucks
Your education stems from luck
Future corpse: death by physician

I have no choice: devoid of rights
So pull the plug, it's my damned life
Keep me alive to increase your bill
A Red Cross hell? - the hospital!

Just let me die with dignity
It's not suicide, simply mercy

Just who do you think you are?
Medical school don't make you God
Now I don't care what you've been taught
Just get me off this life support

Just let me die, with dignity
It's not suicide, simply mercy

Life is killing me

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Unstable Condition
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R.I.P. Peter Steele (Petrus Ratajczyk)

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment marathonman
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The wallet-ectomy is the number one procedure prescribed by insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals in the US.  It's a cartel similar to the banking cartel. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment youngman
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No mention of trial lawyers and what they have done to costs...and illegal aliens and what they have done to costs...uninsured people need to pay..period...sorry..but life is hard...somethimes..

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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I've had a lot of healthcare services lately, insured (medical) and uninsured (dental).

The medical "service" was a rip-off, every service was a cost shift and done primarily for the benefit of the medical service providers and not the patient (me).

They used old equipment, radiated the shit out me with 7 scans and charged my insurance company $37,000 for 10 minutes of work and 3 hours of machine monitored observation, for that I got the equivalent of 400 chest Xrays.(my own lil Fukushima) 

1 MRI could have done the trick with zero radiation.   


My dental care was "state of the art", fast and reasonable. 

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:25 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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as a doctor I have a few disagreements (I have seen the evil drug companies deliver WONDERFUL treatments in my field) but overall...pretty correct. This cannot be fixed in our current system. All of my commitments are long term just like my staff....cut reimbursement and you eliminate us....but YES The Rent Is Too Damn High!!!

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Westcoastliberal
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And I'll bet you cover your ass every day by ordering tests that aren't really required.  Seems to be in vogue nowadays, both as ass-covering and a way to polish your star with the network.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:41 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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No true in my case (fuck the networks I don't do HMOs) but I hear you.

PS 99% of docs do not make any money on blood tests and do not participate in profits from imaging centers....FYI

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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It's rather simple Amerikano's. The big ape continues to masturbate on top of the rock. Do not eat what lies in the sand, right in front of you.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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I think I'm going to be sick................nope, can't afford it.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Argos
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately.  How about this as a solution.  Eliminate all insurance.  No health, auto, home, malpractice, etc. etc.  Hospitals would not collapse, but salaries and drug prices would.  What actual benefits do insurance companies provide?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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Hey......let's not cloud the argument with common sense. Gheeeesh.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment snblitz
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From Mutual Aid to the Welfare State: Fraternal Societies and Social Services, 1890-1967 has an excellent and well documented answer to your question.

I will try an example.

Let us assume 1 in 100 people are going to break their arm each year, and for the most part they cannot afford to pay for the medical costs to be repaired and they may consider insurance.

Let's say that the cost of repair is $1000.

The insurance company will be paying out $1000 per 100 people it insures for arm breakage per year.

If it has 100 customers it will need to charge $10 per person to break even.

Of course, the insurance company will need to cover it's operating costs so it may charge $11 per year.

Prior to government intervention mutual aid societies were the natural result of the free market in the US (very slightly different than insurance) but the government eventually entered the market and did away with mutual aid societies, but some still do exist.

for example:

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:43 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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There will always be admin costs. The idea the the government reduces those is a sick joke.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment UnRealized Reality
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Ha, Ha, Ha the sky is falling, helllllp me.

Another ZH the end is near as the Equitiy market is blasting off.

You Goldbugs better hope you do not get what you wish for," Gold is money" cause that would put Gold with the Dollar and if you except the Dollar to crash, so will Gold. You guys should get your heads screw on striaght, you can't have it both ways.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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striaght?   striaght?   Yep, you're a genius.

That's i before e, moron.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment UnRealized Reality
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WOW, can't attack the facts, attack the Typo. Just like the moron writing this bullshit healthcare dribble and hasn't been sick a day in his life.

What the fuck does he know about healthcare from sitting his fat ass behind a desk preaching to people like you sitting your fat ass behind a desk. But then again bullshit sells and gets those clicks going. You go ahead and keep reading this propaganda and screaming Gold is money instead of an asset and watch you money go down the drain.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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I'll prepare a list of vocabulary words for you by tomorrow. Have you considered going for your GED?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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have you ever tried out for a debate club?

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:25 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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Nope. Gotta believe in what I argue.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment thewayitis
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I think costs are just going to increase forever and ever unless we the people do something about it. Is there any reason why anyone would want to move to the USA anymore? Crime and corruption everywhere you look. No wonder the government put in place the WWW kill switch and millitariilly getting ready for civil unrest.....

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:36 | Link to Comment snblitz
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Only government can exercise coercion against the consumer. Remove the government coercion from the market and health care will fix itself.

Since government is by defintion coercion this means you must remove the government from the market.

Who will enforce quality standards?  Let's take drugs.  Do you really believe the FDA?  I prefer NBER and AIE.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Westcoastliberal
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The health insurance industry is getting a very high return on their $5 Billion spent in lobbying.

Instead of a single-payer program, or even expanding Medicare, what our so-called "representatives" have done is turn backflips like a pretzel to ensure the continuation of the "for-profit" system (including the so-called "not-for-profit" companies like Kaiser who regularly rip-off their patients).

It all has to end somewhere.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Richard Head
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"They fuck you at the hospital.  First they drug you, and then they fuck you!" -Leo Getz

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Unprepared
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"Give me control of a nation's naming and I care not who makes its laws (I'll just bribe and appoint them anyways)"


Healthcare is such a carefully named industry, as Defense, that you would be considered a terrorist, egoist and cold-hearted if you are against them.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Lin S
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Michael Snyder's blog has become tiresome.  The tenor of his stories never changes, and the majority of comments made there seem to be the thoughts of underemployed police officers and back country hicks living in WV and KY.

It's kinda' creepy.  JMO...


Wed, 02/27/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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I'd respond, but I'm in the middle of reassmbling my AK-47.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Lin S
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What kind is it?  I like the Bulgarian ones a lot, Polish too.

Wed, 02/27/2013 - 17:24 | Link to Comment JohnGaltsChild
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Draco pistol. What fun!

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