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Visualizing All The Silver In The World

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The historical cumulative Gold-to-Silver production ratio is 1:10.7; the price ratio of Silver-to-Gold is currently around 1:50. Demonocracy enables us to visualize the 1.411 million tonnes of Silver that has been mined in history and compares that to the world government reserve holdings (and gold).



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Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:00 | 3292468 wee-weed up
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Wicked Witch Blythe is melting....

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3292483 DoChenRollingBearing
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Calling Dr Paul Krugman, calling Dr Krugman!

Stat!  Report to the White House or you local Chase branch!

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:10 | 3292500 espirit
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Can't visualize it all.  Lots was lost in "boating accidents"!

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:16 | 3292518 THX 1178
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29665 tonnes is about 870 million Toz. Obviously all of those ETFs don't actually hold that silver... they amount to little more than naked shorts-- supression schemes. but does this number (29665) include silverware and silver STUFF in general? How many Toz are on Earth above ground is my question.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:24 | 3292550 Thomas
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GFMS estimates about a billion ounces of above-ground silver bullion (available silver), consistent with this number. Because we dropped from 14 billion ounces in 1900 to a one billion today, I figure another decade pretty much ought to wipe us out. That will be a serious short squeeze. NB-You are gonna have to have possession of the physical once this squeeze takes place because it will be a shortage that drives the price, not some Wall Street nimrod.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:45 | 3292575 Midas
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I guess this would be as good a spot as any to ask if you guys have seen this new fun product from Northwest Territorial mint:

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3292795 SafelyGraze
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nice infographic

in the first line, you had me at pocketknife

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:14 | 3292872 Vlad Tepid
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The TSA will be at your front door momentarily.  Please do not attempt to resist.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:22 | 3292883 palmereldritch
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God I love that chick on the sofa.

I shall call her Lana....LANA...LANNNNNAAAAAAAAA!!!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 03:01 | 3292928 fuu
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Silver bitchez!

fucking slackers

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 04:04 | 3292976 palmereldritch
Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:05 | 3293145 HoofHearted
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That last picture is a picture of my house and my back yard. If only it were true....

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:40 | 3293165 GetZeeGold
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Just got a 1947 dime in my change from Sam's dog! It's sitting right by my monitor.


It doesn't take much to make me happy.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:18 | 3293420 QE49er
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Somebody throw that 777,225 Ton silver cube in the deep Pacific please (keep your hands off of my stash)...But would the $ of Silver go up finally? Not sure...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:24 | 3293435 Frozen
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Hey I heard about your unfortunate boating incident.  Shame, really

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 03:06 | 3292932 jumbo maverick
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I have a peep hole in my front door I can use to line up the 7.62x54 and BAM it will go thru the door, into douchebag number 1 all the way out douchebag number 1 and into douchebag number 2. Douchebag number 3 depending on where he is standing will either get hit as well or he will crap his pants.

Either way he will be in the such a disrupted state of mind that I can send a follow up shot before I have to take other actions.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:21 | 3293101 francis_sawyer
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You might make it all the way to Douchebag number 4 if his name happens to be John Connelly...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:43 | 3293186 GetZeeGold
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You should be PC and just use a shotgun like uncle Joe.


He's a bumbling idiot....but we love him.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:08 | 3293323 DosZap
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You should be PC and just use a shotgun like uncle Joe.

The one he say's to shoot thru the door,will be banned.

So what do you use then?.

Feinsteins bill will ban all pump, and semi auto shotguns.

Double Barrel, and that's it.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:22 | 3293343 Urban Roman
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In that case, the bullet will actually make a U turn ...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:44 | 3293189 Go Tribe
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Pathetic. You can't even find .223s in silver. Damned government!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 10:37 | 3293280 Rusty_Shackleford
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Why not get the real thing?

Check this out.,6

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:42 | 3293484 Dr. Richard Head
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You see? There is not enough gold and silver to use in the current price! ;(|)

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 13:15 | 3293542 Conax
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I don't even know if they still make them or how much they cost now, but I have a nice stack of Winchester Silvertips for me .45.  (185 grn hp)

When I picked them up (at an evil gun show) they were 11 bux-a-box o' 50.

I believe they are jacketed in a silver alloy.  (Well, they look silver)

Soon as I down a werewolf, I'll file a full report. 

Unless they're fake and he gets me.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:33 | 3292578 hedgeless_horseman
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Why isn't the price of silver going up at least as fast as the Federal Reserve Monetary Base?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:30 | 3292896 Ag Tex
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Unlimited: naked shorts, ETFs, leased metals, paper certificates, exponential fractional reserve re-hypothication...  Lots and lots of paper and even more digitized entries.

25 billion ounces?  Hmmm.  APPL delayed product roll out due to silver shortages in the manufacturing process.  The United States Mint was temporarily sold out of 2013 American Eagle Silver Bullion coins in January. Silver will be the main dynamic to soon bring down the global money changers and their minions.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:05 | 3293143 Longtermnotreally
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The silver bullet...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:44 | 3293188 GetZeeGold
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Just throw some hot QE cash on that's totally free.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 17:37 | 3294089 WhiteNight123129
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A piece on the December 5th 1935 nationalization of Silver in 1935, on China currency reform and United States wrecking the Chinese economy through Silver manipulation. I guess the tables have turned!!!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 07:54 | 3293089 enloe creek
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some dumbass thinks equities are the place to make money. momentum play I guess. PM etf are net sellers too.  but in a market with fewer buyers the price is volitile.  what few buyers there are must be very long term value buyers. I hpe they have enogh funds to carry the price above support.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:38 | 3293116 new game
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cash is chasing best returns

PM is anti-money so as to be by the likes of CB, tres, regulators, WB, the club, ect.

we be fighting the ptb and there club

they have the power of regulators in pocket.

what is real is the outcome

then the value will be determined by real mkt forces

in the mean time xtreme patience....

its a psyc opps to purge weak the links out.

steadfast with the knowledge...



Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:36 | 3292588 Thomas
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And the numbers show 44 billion ounces mined in total. We've saved nothing. Where have I heard that before?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:08 | 3292865 THX 1178
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Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:25 | 3293345 Jayacts
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Sprott says it's around a billion ounces.


If one guy, or multiple parties, drop 32 B (on the real thing) it's all gone!


It's a small, small market.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:25 | 3293346 Jayacts
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Sprott says it's around a billion ounces.


If one guy, or multiple parties, drop 32 B (on the real thing) it's all gone!


It's a small, small market.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:25 | 3292553 Crash Overide
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THX, you might be on to something there...  lol

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:29 | 3292565 Crash Overide
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Does anyone have a picture of paper silver stacked next to real silver?  That might be fun to look at?

Is it stating the obvious that Jamie Dimon knows what that looks like...?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:28 | 3292520 hedgeless_horseman
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I'd rather visualize these tits than bullion bars...

...more fun to play with, and easy to recognize fakes.

Ladies get 20 and feel the pleasure of fondling your own tube.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:28 | 3292562 espirit
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Can't think of anything better than PM's with tits, unless maybe it's Orly's frozen chicken breasts.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:22 | 3292882 glenlloyd
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Orly's frozen chicken with 10% horse meat!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3293111 francis_sawyer
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Chick-Fil-A new slogan... 'EAT MOAR HORSE'

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 14:00 | 3293557 akak
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And magically, available at the exact same price since 1988!

That's because, as JimmyJames so carefully explained to us, constant inflation-adjusted prices prove that there is no inflation!

(I'm sorry, I STILL can't stop laughing at that one!  That was the most comically idiotic thing I have EVER read in any comment on ZeroHedge!)

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 18:25 | 3294160 MisterMousePotato
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Yeah. I was following your conversation with JJ. That was really, really weird. Not sure if it was an example of sophistry or someone whose IQ outstripped his intelligence or what. Just too weird to be dismissed as stupid.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 19:58 | 3296217 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Makes AnAnonymous appear sagacious in comparison.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 16:23 | 3293934 IrritableBowels
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How about PM's with tits on one side, and on the other an eagle devouring a squirming snake? If that doesn't get you off, then try the new Libertads- they have seven pictured ways an eagle can eat a snake. (sorry, no seven pairs of tits)

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:31 | 3292574 walcott
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nice tits.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:42 | 3293038 samcontrol
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not really, way to small.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:46 | 3293196 GetZeeGold
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You're just not creative enough.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:33 | 3292581 Intoxicologist
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Libertads are my favorite coin.  They're beautiful!

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:46 | 3292599 hedgeless_horseman
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Unlike Eagles, they were NEVER the currency or property of the USA,

plus they are recognized on both sides of the Rio Grande,

and low premiums, too!  

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:49 | 3292625 Intoxicologist
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I own exactly one Eagle.  The "property of the USA" thing always bothered me, so I expanded my horizons.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:50 | 3292915 NidStyles
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I have Canadian Maples, because four 9's and I think they are goegeous. I will never step foot in Canada so I am not worried about them confiscating.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 04:54 | 3293009 Tango in the Blight
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Just don't turn them over, there's Silver Liz staring at you.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:03 | 3292667 czarangelus
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You'll laugh, but my love for this metal borders on religious. I sometimes find myself equating the return of silver money with the return of the goddess. I mean, you often see Greek and Egyptian goddess iconography on precious metal coins, or Mary of the whole Jesus fame. The way silver is incorporated into our collective mythology just shows how strong of a hold it has on the psychology of human beings. Silver is used to kill vampires, werewolves, and other unholy creatures. Silver is a representation of the basic feminine force in alchemy. Silver is the Moon.


And to think we live in an age where its shining force might actually dispell a miasma of fiat and darkness that has occluded the eyes of human beings for centuries. It's an amazing time.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:02 | 3292785 Bolweevil
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Yep, thats wierd.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:47 | 3293198 GetZeeGold
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 18:27 | 3294163 MisterMousePotato
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Remember The Keep (John Carpenter)? At the time, I thought the soldiers' reaction to their discovery of a silver cross was a bit over the top.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:57 | 3292849 sgorem
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"Silver is used to kill vampires, werewolves, and other unholy creatures." like Central banks, TBTF's, and fake fiat governments too, I hope...........................

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:35 | 3293113 francis_sawyer
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Squids?... Please tell me it kills squids...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:10 | 3293151 Longtermnotreally
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In ancient Egypt silver was worth as much as gold...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 10:43 | 3293286 grid-b-gone
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What you write of so longingly is the latent honesty, beauty, and fairness that a truely scarce, divisible, fungible, portable, and durable medium of exchange evokes.

It probably can kill vampires and giant squids, even in this age of the electronically and politically shrewd. You have perfectly summed the core, anti-central bank mantra to, "dispel a miasma of fiat and darkness that has occluded the eyes of human beings for centuries."

PMs in common man lots are likely to be recovered for many future decades like the undetonated shells and hidden works of art of long-ago wars. 

Since the first laborer received the first denarius, he was only looking for a way to convert his life's force in a way that covered his family's needs. At the same time, the issuer began to devise ways to cheapen that original honest exchange. That pendulum still swings today, and is about to change direction.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:20 | 3293424 SAT 800
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The return of Silver Money? I must have missed the part where it wasn't money. When I got out of High School in 1960, I could buy a gallon of gasolene with one of the american quarters in the back pocket of my Levi's. Right now, today, I can go across the hiway, here in Hawaii, and buy a gallon of gas with the same 1960 quarter; I've already done it, just for giggles. The nice lady there doesn't actually know anything, but she kinda feels that everything might not be on the up and up, (people can feel it); and she wants the quarters for her little boy; "so he'll have something that's worth something when he's 18". Every once in awhile she asks me if I have any more of those quarters; I always tell her; "not yet".

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:08 | 3293018 The Navigator
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About a year ago I picked up 20 Onzas from my local coin shop for $0.50 or $1. over spot - nobody understood them and the shop was clearing them out - either way, I got some 'different type' of silver and they're beauts - I just prey I don't lose them in my next boating accident, been so many lately.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:27 | 3293029 Buck Johnson
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Silver will be the new gold.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 06:06 | 3293051 Lets Buy The Dip
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I love the info graphic, and I think right now everyone thinks silver is about to crash, I think that is a time to get bullish on silver and gold......I am sure the elite are stocking up on gold and silver like no ones business. 

The guy over at SENTIMENT TRADER BLOG HERE  has some really cool chart porn on gold and silver at the moment, His market calls are flipping amazing, and he does not think gold and silver are about to chit the bedpan, infact the total opposite. Go check it out.

Those dofuses on cnbc tell you do one thing, I think you should do the exact opposite....easy way to make money. :p

Myself, I think now to 2014 is a good time to stock up on the physical, and me and my buddy have found a supplier, and even thinking of selling the stuff on ebay maybe.  

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:27 | 3293450 RealeyesRealize
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Cool stuff thanks for posting that.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 22:59 | 3292469 johnlaw1971
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Silver vs Bitcoin. What are your predictions for 6m, 12m, 5 years and 10 years from now?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:05 | 3292478 otto skorzeny
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bitchcoin-NWO bankers wet dream-one completely digital,trackable,capital controllable,instantly taxable currency to rule them all. cue CH1 vitrol

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:11 | 3292496 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Yes, but, I´d prefer gold.


Looks like we´re going to have hundreds of comments tonight...

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:17 | 3292519 Haole
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How is a finite, deflationary currency an "NWO bankers'" wet dream?

How is it trackable without knowing users' passphrases?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:22 | 3292542 otto skorzeny
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explain please. do you think the govt could not simply stop any electronic transaction/account with a few taps on a keyboard-if you can't stand over it with a rifle you don't own it

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:30 | 3292548 Haole
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So in other words you can't answer the questions and had little to no idea what you were talking about in the first place. Nice one...

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:36 | 3292579 otto skorzeny
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What part of anything that is done electronically can be monitored and stopped at any point by the government don't you understand? do you think they need some stupid password to get ahold of any account. just like when they decide your 401k has to hold a certain percentage in USTs- they sure aren't going to ask nicely-you'll just wake up some morning and look at your account online and it will already be done.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:00 | 3292636 Haole
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So again, in other words, you can't answer the questions.

One's "account" is not exclusively "online" unless one doesn't care about losing what they have. Using a web-based wallet or keeping one's Bitcoin online exclusively with an exchange is reckless. Not as bad as buying GLD for the gold but naive.

The government can stop anything it wants, anytime, including you and me if they want. So what, they haven't.

If they turn off the internet we'll have bigger problems than not being able to transact with some Bitcoins.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:05 | 3292670 Shell Game
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Haole, do BCs have to be transacted over the internet, or is there an P2P app? just curious..

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:20 | 3292698 Haole
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One doesn't need the internet to transact necessarily but one does need access to the blockchain to complete it/them. One can make a transaction with a smartphone and a QR code.

I don't post with the intent of educating anyone as I'm still learning, I'm offended by overt BS which is the only reason I post in the first place. Respectfully, there's a big internet still out there with lots of answers.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:28 | 3292722 Shell Game
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Thank you, and do spend much time studying. Lots and lots of time. Thought I'd toss out an honest query in contrast to the loads of 'other' material BC advocates get.  ;)  Peace.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:36 | 3292741 Money Squid
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No blockchain access no worky?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:06 | 3292789 Bolweevil
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I welcome this dangerous and mystical future you speak of where there is no internet. I will call it, The 70's.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:09 | 3292678 hedgeless_horseman
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Do they accept it at the Co-op?  

Can I pay my taxes with it down at the county courthouse?  

Can I use it to buy stocks on margin?

Does it work for bail in Mexico, Texas, Macau, or France?

Will any casinos let me buy chips with it?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:11 | 3292687 Shell Game
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"Can I use it to buy stocks on margin?

Does it work for bail in Mexico, Texas, Macau, or France?

Will any casinos let me buy chips with it?"


hmmm, you've got some fiat-devil in you I didn't know you had..  ;)

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:18 | 3292697 hedgeless_horseman
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Bail is one of the very rare instances where we trade our fiat currency for our freedom, rather than the other way around.

There may be an arbitrage opportunity somewhere here...short bondsmen?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:22 | 3292707 Shell Game
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Well, good point in normal times, but don't you know there is no bail for terrorists?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:18 | 3292701 Yen Cross
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 Why do fraudsters always go " shrinky dink?"

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:25 | 3292819 Crash Overide
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Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:25 | 3292710 Haole
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"Do they accept it at the Co-op?

Can I pay my taxes with it down at the county courthouse?

Can I use it to buy stocks on margin?

Does it work for bail in Mexico, Texas, Macau, or France?

Will any casinos let me buy chips with it?"

Yeah, one can't just convert Bitcoin to any currency one wants and use it for any of those purposes... /sarc

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:29 | 3292718 hedgeless_horseman
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Yeah, it's not like you can just convert Bitcoin anything of value to any currency you want and use it for any of those purposes...with a transaction cost.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:31 | 3292726 Haole
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So what's your point?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:33 | 3292731 hedgeless_horseman
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That you didn't really make one, and that I don't need the /sarc

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:40 | 3292749 Haole
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The point was that Bitcoin can be exchanged for cash that you can use to lose at a casino if you want. Exchange currency for a trip you pay a fee. Pay by credit card in a foreign country and pay a fee. Get a bank draft for a large purchase and pay a fee. Buy gold or silver and pay a premium. Because one pays a fee to convert Bitcoin it has to be scrutinized? You really have to be fucking kidding.

That's the point that you willingly fail to recognize despite sarcasm apparently.

Holy fuck...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:41 | 3293483 CunnyFunt
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In the course of your studies, have you determined whether or not BTC is EMP- and HERF-proof?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 13:24 | 3293561 Pseudo Anonym
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nothing is fail proof.  is your leaving money in your account with the banksters safe from theft?  i mean, everything has it's pros and cons, nothing is perfect; it's an individual choice and risk taking/aversion is just one part of the decision making.  each individual makes their choices and either benefits or fails.  we should not force our bias on others.  each is responsible for their own due diligence

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 23:09 | 3294598 Haole
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All of the people who are so dead against Bitcoin for some reason evidently and absolutely, miserably fail to acknowledge anywhere that nothing is 100% safe and the "government" can do whatever it wants with anything. Scrutinizing Bitcoin because it's use is susceptible to a massive EMP or like disaster is not only lame and ridiculous but desperately reaching for a reason to slag it. Pathetic.

If you don't think most people who hold some bitcoin would have much more pressing concerns than possibly losing or not being able to transact given an EMP event that takes down everything you are just making yourself look silly.

Unbelievable the reasons people come-up with to mess around with some Bitcoin, on ZH of all places. "Un-fucking-believable" - Gordon Ramsay

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:47 | 3293041 samcontrol
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i,m quite sure you could use it for bail, except France maybe..

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 07:50 | 3293085 unrulian
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Can i buy hookers and blow?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:40 | 3293117 francis_sawyer
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Of course you can... The whole idea launched so you could buy them conveniently online...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:11 | 3292870 joego1
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They will just drone all the servers with your bitcoin and presto changeo no more bitcoin. Problem solved.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:10 | 3293019 Tango in the Blight
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There are no Bitcoin servers. Every client has a copy of the entire blockchain (in which all transactions are stored). Of course one could use a service like where the blockchain is pulled from the internet (it is a rather big file and it takes some time to download) but that's not necessary. To destroy Bitcoin you'd have to destroy all Bitcoin clients. Takes a lot of droning.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:11 | 3293118 francis_sawyer
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cut the snake off at the head...


The fucking Tesla Coil was designed to be [in an analagous way], 'open source'... But I look around & don't see too many Tesla Coils... Wonder why...

That's the problem with all you BITCOIN geeks... You're so in love with the 'technology' [& your own arrogance because you think you're closer to the 'secret of the universe' ~ you think you can WIN EVERY ARGMENT because you can go all 'apeshit tekkie' on someone, & that's your 're-route' to every argument]... You don't see the big picture of what happens when HUMANS interface with HUMANS..."

You're too enamoured with HUMANS interfacing with COMPUTERS, or worse, COMPUTERS interfacing with COMPUTERS...


The next tekkie geek that wants to stand up & get a pie in the face will surely ask "CUT THE SNAKE OFF AT THE HEAD?... HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE TO DO THAT? [thinking of themselves as technologically superior to all the rest]"... The answer is... "I don't fucking know" [because I'm not tech geek]... But you can be sure, that when TPTB get around to it, that's the PLAYBOOK that they'll use... It's like a Hegelian dialectic... You don't have to be a technical wizard to follow the script... Why?... Because in the end [as mentioned above], the 'human to human' element has to enter into the equation... Money [notwithstanding fiat, bitcoins, gold, silver, tally sticks, tulips, puka shells, beanie babies, pokemon cards, Star Wars Republic Dactaries, Imperial Credits, or Waterworld chits], is based on FAITH... It has been proven throughout history that it is QUITE EASY to corral people into "faith based" categories [which is why the concept of RELIGION has been so successful]... All it takes, mostly, is properly focused PROPAGANDA [combined with a little muscle], to alter human behavior...

The fact that bitcoins haven't been pounded down already ought to be proof enough that nodody important takes it seriously yet... Who knows... Maybe someday they will... Listening to bitcoiners get all lathered up about the 'PHATNESS' of their digital wallets reminds me of the NASDAQ bubble in the 90's... "Hey man ~ I bought one share of JDS Uniphase at $2.00, now it's $300... I'm a PLAYA!"...

To Pluto [and beyond] bitchez!... Fuck ~ Pluto ain't even a planet anymore...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:15 | 3293414 StychoKiller
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Re:  Tesla coils, do you have any idea how much voltage a Tesla coil generates?  Them what does, are the only folks that feel qualified enough to make one; you on the other hand...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:23 | 3293425 francis_sawyer
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 "a Tesla coil generates?"


I suppose you're referring to that one, singular, Tesla coil... The only one that ever did exist, or will ever exist... [rolls eyes]

Folks ~ this is where the conversation inevitably gravitates when "geek-a-zoids" enter the fray... I'm becoming convinced that all the DARK MATTER in the universe is comprised of geek-a-zoids who have a gravitational field stronger than anything KNOWN in the universe...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 03:10 | 3292936 NidStyles
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If you are using Bitcoin, your account is online, that also means your computer is likely online. All hardware has been legally required to have a physical backdoor into it since 2006.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 10:50 | 3293295 Disenchanted
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I knew there was a good reason I'm still on this over a decade old PC...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:16 | 3293417 StychoKiller
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You know whereof you speak.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 06:01 | 3294995 stacking12321
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"All hardware has been legally required to have a physical backdoor into it since 2006."

what are you talking about?

i own a hammer, it is a piece of hardware.

it does not have a backdoor, nor is it required to.


Sat, 03/02/2013 - 09:01 | 3293136 q99x2
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You can print them out and carry them with you if you'd prefer. Or put them on a memory stick. Unlike physical there are many more options with bitcoin. And, you can create rather instantly a local community currency in times of need. The flexibility and portability is what makes bitcoin far superior to physical metals. Of course you might be able to sell gold and silver as jewelry or trade it in to a company that might need it for manufacturing purposes. 

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 01:06 | 3292788 Common_Cents22
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how do you know the founder doesnt have a back door to manipulate the digital currency?

how do you know the various distributed servers that hold the ledgers cannot be involved in collusion much like central banks?

who controls the total number of bitcoins and the issuance?

how do you know there are only that many bitcoins they say are in existence?



Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:17 | 3293024 Tango in the Blight
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The software is open source so it's workings can be checked by anyone with the required programming skills. Of course gold and silver are more safe but you can't use it as a means of payment on the internet. Bitcoin is the only way to transfer money online which isn't under the control of the banks. If you receive Bitcoins you can of course buy gold for it just like you can do with fiat. It isn't meant to compete with gold as a store of wealth.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:02 | 3293377 Urban Roman
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  1. Because open source.
  2. They are. They collude to track BTC. (except no servers, it's all P2P)
  3. Mathematics. 
  4. See (3).


Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:17 | 3293418 StychoKiller
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The source code is open, analyze it yerself, ya paranoid...(whatever)

How did my comment end up here?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 07:30 | 3293078 Catullus
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Not only do you not know how Bitcoins work.  You don't know how a gold/silver standard works.

A bitcoin is just a ledger transaction that everyone can see.  They don't know who is transacting, they just know that it occurred.  In order for your transaction to clear it has to be logged.  A peer-to-peer transaction can be logged.  But because the log is constantly updated and stored all over the world, there's no way the government can just tap a keystrokes and eliminate the log.  It exists all over the world simultaneously. 

A gold standard would effectively work through mostly ledger transactions as well.  People would figure out almost immediately that it's a pain in the ass to exchange physical gold to clear transactions.  They would go to trusted clearinghouses who build up their reputations over time for any number of things that consumers want.  I would think they'd revolve around security, anonymity, availability of the network, convenience. Not necessarily in that order. 

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:54 | 3292767 Haole
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Easier just to click a red icon than to answer the questions. Pathetic.

Cowardess and ignorance are tremendous bedfellows...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 03:06 | 3292933 Vlad Tepid
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Who's cowardess?  She sounds saucy.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 03:12 | 3292937 NidStyles
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No, you are just slow on the uptake. Bitcoin is filled with issues and you are only holding up the good sides of it.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 23:13 | 3294634 Haole
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I never claimed Bitcoin wasn't without risk or infallibility and have said on more than one occasion that it could have it's plug pulled by the government anytime they want, etc., etc., etc. Our entire lives are filled with issues and risks.

What isn't "filled with issues" these days!?

I'm not trying to hold anything up but trying to be constructive and counter some pretty funny shit and paranoia.

ZeroHedge comments section used to be a place of open minds and educated, rational discussion. It's utterly amazing that people can get so jumped-on for simply being involved in Bitcoin to any extent. This whole place has been subverted somehow and is just a mire of doomsday scenarios, paranoia and skipping records.

Speaking of that, in the middle of a pretty good book by Matt Ridley called The Rational Optimist. I'm sure people will find some reason to say it's shit too but just trying to be constructive.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 02:29 | 3292894 dwayne elizando
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If I were to look for a hedge outside of PM's it would be prescription pills. If we're headed toward a similar scenario to Greece then pills are the alternative money to own. The prescription in Greece also seem to be deflationary. The whole process by which bitcoins were created could be paralelled and then everybody could start their own digital currency. Bitcoin is for speculation. Pills are a far Better hedge.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 04:39 | 3292997 The Navigator
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prescription pills are a good hedge in a SHTF or EOTWAWKI scenario - problem is shelf life and that's where PMs work better; PMs work in SHTF or EOTWAWKI scenarios, inflationary scenarios, currency failure scenarios, sometimes in investment scenarios, EMP takes out electronics/computing scenarios (making BC useless).

There's a lot of items that work well in SHTF plans but prescription pills and rotating that stock until the SHTF can be expensive and there are other things that have a greater shelf life that will trade just as well or better - i.e.: 16 lbs of pool shock that will make 10's of thousands of gallons of chlorine to clean up millions of gallons of water for drinking... sanitary pads that will have every woman knocking at your door 30 days after the SHTF (and they double as puncture wound absorbants)... .22LR ammo or any other popular calibar rounds...

Another way to hedge against loss of prescription pills is to know the herbal 'fix' - i.e. hawthorne berries/bark for high blood pressure problems - and to either know where that tree is growing or plant 1-2 yourself.

Semper Peratus.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:24 | 3293026 object_orient
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The world will always need drug dealers

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:26 | 3293446 Five8Charlie
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The world will always need brewers and distillers....

Not as speculative as pills, but easier to control the entire production chain.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:20 | 3292534 stacking12321
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blurt out ignorant replies much?

or just felt like trolling?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:25 | 3292555 otto skorzeny
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I stand by what I said-feel free to refute what I said Mr Eloquent

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:00 | 3293013 Tango in the Blight
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Better do some research into it. It's the only untrackable digital currency which is true peer to peer without central bank oversight. That's why the feds hate it as much as the phyzz metals.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 09:25 | 3297382 Orange Pekoe
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Bitcoin haters. Bullish for Bitcoins.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:44 | 3293363 Urban Roman
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Predictions are difficult. Especially about the future. 

Silver BTC

  1. 6m:  $50 $100
  2. 12m: $120 $500
  3. 5y: $100 - (Bicoin declared illegal)
  4. 10y: - _ (Silver priced in silver, and nobody has a computer any more)
Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:25 | 3293437 SAT 800
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I tell you what; I'll hang on to my silver US Quarters that'll buy me a gallon of gas or a pound of bacon; and you can have the bitcoins; ok?

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 06:18 | 3295000 stacking12321
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look, for someone with SAT 800, this shouldn't be that hard to grasp:

yes, keep your silver, it's a great vehicle for storing wealth.

bitcoin isn't for storing wealth, it's a payment gateway that's not centrally controlled, and allows you to move your wealth across borders without interference.

yes, some people try to speculate on the future value of bitcoin, but that's not its real value.

summary: hold tangible assets, use bitcoin when it happens to be a useful tool.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:02 | 3292475 Manthong
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You could see my little green boxes in the picture if the graphics artist put them next to the garage door.


Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:06 | 3292481 ABG LINE
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Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3292482 reader2010
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But you still can't eat it, can you?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:22 | 3292545 Crash Overide
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Ah, the old silver vs. food gag... something about trading silver for food until you are starving and then what?  right?

I heard the amount of gold mined throughout known history is a lot more than what is officially reported, am I getting into conspiracies now?

Anyone heard anything like that?

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 05:51 | 3293044 samcontrol
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people have no clue how much gold disappeared in the 40's .

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 12:39 | 3293313 francis_sawyer
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99.999999% of all the food produced in world history has been consumed... That's why it's getting so expensive...


If y'all are bored ~ I can go about making dipshit [parallel logic circuit thesis] arguments on just about any subject until everyone goes fucking blind... CNBC ought to hire me as a shill.. I could singlehandedly keep J6P in the market until DOW 36,000 based on bullshit I can create in a nanosecond off the top of my dome...

Freestyler bitchez!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:18 | 3293100 Tango in the Blight
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I have both food and silver. Some extra cans for bartering too. The silver will be spent the last.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3292487 otto skorzeny
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cool swiss army knife. is that chewbacca sitting on that couch of fiat waiting for O to get back from "hanging out" with reggie love?

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:25 | 3292554 tnquake
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No, she's planning her next vacation...

Let them eat cake I say!!

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:52 | 3293127 francis_sawyer
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She's checking out the seat cushions because she's thinking about using it on the set of her new talkshow...

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:35 | 3292587 Midas
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I know it isn't the first wookie by the wig.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:58 | 3292772 Intoxicologist
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No, its 100 tonnes of Oprah that got mixed up in the silver graphic.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:09 | 3292492 deerhunter
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Is 3.50 over spot a good price for 2013 silver eagles? I don't know!

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:11 | 3292503 otto skorzeny
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are you serious? the dealers around me are asking at least $4 to $5 over

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:17 | 3292528 espirit
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If you can really get it.  Should the spot price drop, and you can't find any, how much is it worth?

Trick question for those pesky trolls.

Fri, 03/01/2013 - 23:56 | 3292623 Shell Game
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$3.50 is the premium I paid last weekend here north of Seattle. You won't do a lot better than that.


[cue trolling from Midas for answering a fucking question...]

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:54 | 3293130 francis_sawyer
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$3.50 is the premium where I go...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 00:17 | 3292699 Lordflin
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You can get Eagles from Gainsville Coins down in Florida for 2.99 over spot if you purchase monster boxes of 500 ounces. I have dealt with them for years... They are normally prompt, a couple of weeks, but I did wait two months for one delivery.

So far as the... you can't eat silver... argument... Food, then guns, then pms... When the smoke finally clears there will be little in the way of money, but lots of things to buy...

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 08:54 | 3293129 Moe Howard
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$2.59 over spot for 500 ASEs @ Provident metals. You are being suckered by Gainsville, bro.

Thursday they had a 24 hour sale same price ANY QUANTITY.

Gainsville is for TV watchers.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 10:55 | 3293302 Lordflin
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Well... I don't have a television signal into the home, but I welcome the tip anyway... I am always glad to pay less.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:05 | 3293320 DosZap
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Is 3.50 over spot a good price for 2013 silver eagles? I don't know!

NO, 2.50-2.75

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 11:14 | 3293331 SilverIsKing
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Tulving $2.59 for monster box.

Sat, 03/02/2013 - 13:43 | 3293587 Pseudo Anonym
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to your q:

Is 3.50 over spot a good price for 2013 silver eagles?

that's fair price.  typically, i find the premium on single silver coins is on average 10%.  that's reasonable margin for a dealer, 9-11%

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