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Forget Bond Vigilantes, Oakland Residents Now Policing Themselves

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

“Wanted” Signs Emerge in Oakland as Residents Police Themselves

So this is what is happening in Oakland, one of the many forgotten about, left-behind corners of America.  From CBS:

OAKLAND (KPIX 5) – Oakland’s crime problems have gotten so bad that some people aren’t even bothering to call the cops anymore; instead, they’re trying to solve and prevent crimes themselves.


In a neighborhood that has started to feel like the wild west, people have even started posting “wanted” signs.

Personally, I think this is the only “Wanted” sign that people should be putting up all over America.

Bernank Wanted Sign


You have to walk around in your house with a gun to feel safe here,” said Alaska Tarvins of the Arcadia Park Board of Directors.


Over the weekend, one home was burglarized twice in a 24 hour period, once while a resident’s nephew was inside.


Now, Arcadia park neighbors are taking the detective work into their own hands.



KPIX 5 found a woman who identified herself as L.E. patrolling her neighborhood by car. She said she recently chased down a couple of robbers herself.

While the macro problems that have led to this are deplorable, there is one silver lining.  The crime crisis is forcing neighbors to get to know each other and come to solutions on their own within their community.  Since we all know by now the bureaucracy will not be coming to the rescue, the sooner we figure out solutions on our own the better.

Welcome to the recovery!

Full article here.


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Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:40 | 3296641 Shizzmoney
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Nothin new with the Oakland PD (this sotry also proves its a great diea to get Prey on your machine):

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:57 | 3296662 hedgeless_horseman
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"There are going to be situations where people are going to go without assistance.  That's just the facts of life."  - Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates


Read this...

Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?

If you live in California where you are restricted to 10 round magazines, then maybe you should move.   

And this...

When you are suddenly surrounded by violence and killing, it’s too late to train.

When your test comes suddenly and violently you will know who, and what, you are at that millisecond.  You will understand what is happening is real and you will be glad that you are there to protect your family and save others and gloriously you will act with skill, ability, and confidence.  Or you will doubt your ability, be overcome by fear, of no help to yourself or others...a sheep. 

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:01 | 3296690 Stuck on Zero
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If you are a crack shot then ten rounds should be sufficient. 


Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:05 | 3296704 W74
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But what if I want suppressive fire as well?

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:25 | 3296744 WayBehind
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Dianne Frankenstein for trying to violate our 2A.

Free Bullets. 

Molon Labe

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:24 | 3296874 MarsInScorpio
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The answer to the 10-round limit is the Taurus Judge: A 5-round revolver of self-defense .410 guage shotgun shells packed with a combination of copper plates and 6-shot (Shot size typically used for duck hunting).


Guaranteed to stop an intruder cold, delivering the power of a shotgun blast with the margin of error allowance that 6-shot gives the defender. Goes in with a lipstick-diameter, and out like a softball, with multiple servering of veins, artieries, lungs, and heart muscle, caused by the 6-shot.


Penetrates bone easily, and the combination of plates and shot cause tremendous internal circulatory trauma; hit any part of the heart and there will never be another intrusion by the perp.


Comes in chrome, gun metal blue, and pink for those who want to raise awareness of breast cancer.


I highly recommend it.


Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:39 | 3296917 Borrow Owl
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@ MarsInScorpio:

Dude, you really need to educate yourself.

The Taurus Judge is a gimmick marketed to low-information  folks like yourself who have little or no understanding of reality.

Copper plates? WTF??




Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:27 | 3296956 otto skorzeny
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Taurus is Brazilian for "garbage"-"Honey don't forget to take out the Taurus-it's Taurus day today". Glock 22-when the shit's gotta be done right.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 04:33 | 3297144 TwoShortPlanks
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No Oakland left behind.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:16 | 3296958 Rogue Trooper
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Agreed... but it was an amusing post by @MarsInScorpio.

I, for one, prefer to rely on my M1A should such a 'situation' occur.

A bit of cold steel, a Machete, for final 'back up'. 

... one could go on but its laboring the point somewhat.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:25 | 3296969 Manthong
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Just do what Joe Biden tells his wife, Jill to do… get the trusty double barrel shotgun and shoot..

(And she’ll probably wing an armed secret service agent.)

stick with this.. it's worth watching  :-)

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:30 | 3296982 fourchan
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we shoot to kill in detroit, everyone is sick of these terrorist niggers.

not letting these fucks walk away is now our civic duty.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:25 | 3297931 Widowmaker
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Don't forget all the spineless white faggots of finance in pinstripes.

They steal twice as much through their fraud-fiat than the blacks all put together.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:34 | 3296988 Rogue Trooper
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+1000... I could not stop laughing and I have seen this shit so many time with folks that have no idea about firearms.

Had the same problem teaching folks to shoot a 308 vs 223 ;)

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 08:56 | 3297332 uncle_vito
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Agreed.  Taurus is a gimmick.   No one was ever killed with a .410.  Good only for birds.   Taurus not available in Calif either.  Not sure why.   Perhaps considered a short barrel shotgun.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 09:33 | 3297380 MarsInScorpio
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Borrow owl - and the rest of you who know zip point nothing about the Taurus Judge Public Defender, so YOU can educate YOURSELF:


Ok, professor, let's go to a first-tier authority about this gun: The American Rifleman review by Willey Clapp, which he says is, "a small-game gun in survival situations and—probably most significantly—a defensive revolver with decisive terminal ballistics" -


The Judge Rules

The Taurus Judge redefined the defensive handgun, delivering the devastating payload of a .410 shotgun shell out of a hand-held platform.


"In my view, the Judge’s greatest utility comes as a defensive revolver. I thought that before the 3" version was available, and my opinion was reinforced with the availability of the longer gun. A long Judge will chamber a 000 load that delivers five pellets. At 70 grs., that would total 350 grs. of payload averaging 808 f.p.s. from the Judge’s short snout. That equates to 508 ft.-lbs of energy. A single hit from a standard 230-gr. .45 ACP load is about 370 ft.-lbs. Also a centered hit from the five 000 pellets would impact over a larger area and produce five individual wound channels. I fired a series of four targets with this load at short combat distances (3,5,7 and 9 yds.) and got increasingly larger groups of about 3", 6", 7" and 12", respectively. Beyond 9 to 10 yds., the groups opened up abruptly, and I often lost one of more pellets off the silhouette laterally. At close range, a single centered hit from the Judge (with 000) would be devastating. For longer ranges, the revolver cylinder offers the interesting possibility of pattern loading. You might try the first three chambers with 000 buckshot and the last two with .45 Colt lead semi-wadcutter hollow-points in the event that a target appears at a greater range.

"There is flexibility inherent in a revolver design and, in my estimation, the Judge is the most versatile combat revolver since the LeMat of the Civil War era. It’s a load to carry and a handful to shoot, but the Judge is a powerful solution to the defense gun needs of many shooters."


Download the complete arrticle as a PDF:


Mon, 03/04/2013 - 10:35 | 3297566 Borrow Owl
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If you're willing to bet your life on advertising hype, well...that's your choice I suppose.

The fact is that the Judge (and its clones) are a compromise (.45LC /.410) which results in piss-poor performance with either cartridge.

At ranges of less than 7yds it's probably better than nothing, but there are dozens of *much* better options out there.



A link to a bit more objective evaluation of the Judge with various ammo than the one you provided:

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 09:45 | 3297433 aerojet
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Seriously?  The .410 shotgun has never had much of a reputation as a man-stopper and there is no magic load that is going to fix that.  Better to buy a .357 Magnum if you want a revolver.  But not aTaurus--I had one of those awful POS and the cylinder would routinely jam when the ejector rode unscrewed itself. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:37 | 3297757 PowerzThatB
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Just a quick point; one can load .410 slugs. Just saying...

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 10:50 | 3297608 unrulian
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why are you guys junking Owl? he's correct, Taurus is garbage and who uses #6 for ducks? i assure you that if you use #6 steel you wont ruffle a feather over 25 yards and if it's lead it's still kinda small and lead is outlawed in most states (if not all) and Canada for waterfowl. Simply use a 12 Gauge with any shell (half the price of 410) or hand-gun for home defence why waste money on a gimmick Taurus Judge and...agreed, copper plates: WTF?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:14 | 3297795 MachoMan
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#6 would work fine for close in green timber work...  for fields, it's 10 gauge only...  (noticeably better than a 12 gauge 3.5")

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 08:44 | 3297319 Professor Fate
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Why not let Diane Frankenstein and the "pelosi" walk around the city of Oakland at night with a little bling around her neck.  One of two things will happen.  She will either change her stance on firearms or....well we can all guess the other. 

Fate the Magnificent

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:28 | 3296904 GMadScientist
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Then buy more magazines, dumbass.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:17 | 3296961 otto skorzeny
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my 7.62x39 75 round drum makes me more bulletly efficient you commie prick

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:23 | 3296968 Rogue Trooper
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>Satirical effect?

>Keynesian/progressive cum receptacle?

Spot Poll on GMadScientist.... just sayin’

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 06:14 | 3297194 CompassionateFascist
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no, he is realistic about most things...but extremely cynical. Which may, at this point, be the higher wisdom. 

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:35 | 3296705 hedgeless_horseman
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Go unscrew one and measure it now, friends.  It will take less than one minute.

If they are less than 3 inches, or you do not have a good deadbolt, then you have a one-kick-door.  


We will see how you do when a couple vans loaded with bad hombres pull into your driveway, crack shot, and a moment later are all in your home with guns to your head.


We need to have our mind, body, and equipment ready at all times. We all need to work together to create an environment that is hostile to bad guys.

Don't EVER open the door for strangers.  Always keep your doors locked, install door jamb armor with 3-1/2 stainless screws, always use the intercom when someone rings, always carry a weapon, and get the training and find the will to use it.

"An armed society is a polite society, " -Heinlein. 

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:41 | 3296799 A Lunatic
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Barring the door near the top and bottom will also defeat door breaching rounds. Plan ahead, bitchez........

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:46 | 3296807 The Heart
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Ya know Mr H H, most people have never seen real blood in the streets, or people being shot and killed right in front of them. Most of this nation has never seen a friend die in their arms and not be able to do a darn thing about it. Death is not real to the hollywood generation. This nation lives in a TV box of unreality that has them convinced that real bleeding and dying does not happen, so there is no imperative need to actually get off their game playing arses to DO something to stop the certain socialfascist beasts of death that are coming to knock down everyone's door like these criminals do in this video. The difference will be, tyranny will come in a uniform and in massive overwhelming numbers.

A big huge shout out of appreciation to all the veterans who went to war for the banksters profits and to defend the rapidly eroding freedoms of Old America.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:13 | 3296864 hedgeless_horseman
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The difference will be, tyranny will come in a uniform and in massive overwhelming numbers.

If so, better to have thought about the possibility and be able to recognize it, and accept it as reality, early.  

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:29 | 3297046 eatthebanksters
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If the shit hits the fan then the cops and the military have no plans to be in the inner cities...there aren't enough of them and they know it. Now ask yourself where the safest place in downtown LA was during the Rodney King riots, and why. It was Korea town because every other building had 3 guys on the roof with AR15's and plenty of ammo and real magazines. Remember large numbers of organized people with overwhelming firepower is a huge deterrent...ask the Marines.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:44 | 3298006 Crash Overide
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"The difference will be, tyranny will come in a uniform and in massive overwhelming numbers."

Does anyone know where DHS is storing all that ammo?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 14:19 | 3298325 Crash Overide
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...and the 7000 fully automatic rifles and 2700 armored vehicles. WTF?


U.S. Underground City and Roadway System- thousands of miles - for Elitist Refuge & Survival *video*


Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:08 | 3296952 dark pools of soros
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That's why The Walking Dead is so popular...  people feeling like it is near...   getting ready to kill or be killed

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:51 | 3297802 MachoMan
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Bingo.  People are intuitively catching on to something...  And this is the only way it could occur because there's too much interference to come to the realization consciously.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:47 | 3298019 Panafrican Funk...
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One thing that immediately came to mind when watching that video was, "Holy hell, did that dude ever need to take just a basic self defense class that includes weapon disarm training".

Ie., don't rely on having and shooting a gun to save your ass.  I know HH detailed this in his SHTF plan, but I notice this is often ignored.  Also note that good martial arts training is essential for spec ops offense in addition to defense.  




Tue, 03/05/2013 - 03:03 | 3300122 Kirk2NCC1701
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I grok Heinlein. Given what's happening to the country, I feel a bit like a stranger in a strange land.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:07 | 3296707 Oh regional Indian
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Until you have 10 Crack heads coming at you. Crack crack...

The great gun debate will unravel in 60 seconds when it does.

Play smart, nto hard. Hard will only do you damage.

You are "armed" by the maker. Naturally. ;-)


Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:28 | 3296767 Cheater5
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You clearly have never been in a real fire fight (and no COD on you X-Box doesn't count).

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:19 | 3296965 otto skorzeny
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does paint-ball count? cause those things leave a welt

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:37 | 3296990 Rogue Trooper
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Love it Otto..... LOL!

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:28 | 3297722 Cheater5
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In answer to your question, Yes but only if what you mean by "welt" is a sucking chest wound.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:48 | 3297010 Ropingdown
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The 'proper techique' guys are kind of Jeff Cooper to me.  No front line experience.  Lots of talk about what works.  What works is to get low and pour lead, or leave.  Or call for some gunships.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 03:43 | 3297105 Totentänzerlied
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Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:35 | 3296780 BooMushroom
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And if you're a sixty-three year old grandma with a bad hip, a fake knee, and arthritis who can't afford a box of ammo a month for practice, you deserve to fucking die!

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:53 | 3298042 Panafrican Funk...
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There are plenty of small/easy to use guns that can cause enough damage/shock to get an attacker to GTFO.  Consider, if you break into a place, see a grandma, and she pulls a gun and starts wildly blasting, you are going to exit immediately and never come back.  You are additionally probably going to tell the people associated with you, "yeah, lets maybe never go there again".  

See how that works?  Not that hard to comprehend.  

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:08 | 3296852 jumbo maverick
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You most likely have never been in a high stress situation. The more rounds you have readily at hand the more at ease you feel.

None of what is coming down the pike is good. But when it comes will you be ready?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:32 | 3296909 GMadScientist
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Aircrew who preferred the M6 noted that, with the AR-5, an excited user can go through a week’s worth of ammunition in moments, while the user of the M6 is more likely to use proper shooting techniques due to the time necessary to reload after each shot.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:43 | 3297004 Ropingdown
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There isn't time for proper technique.  There's time to get behind cover and shoot over the barrier.  That's what the f'g pistol grips are for. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:51 | 3297014 Rogue Trooper
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Ropinddown...don't waste your time with logic and reason.  This uberwank is a complete statist 'tool'.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:19 | 3297039 otto skorzeny
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WTF is an AR-5-is that an even more pussified version of an AR-15?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:23 | 3297705 Cheater5
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Why are you talking about Air Force survival rifles in a discussion about force on force situations?  You do know of course that air crews that can carry M4s (i.e., the shortened version of the M16) do so and that the small rifles that you mentioned were only employed to deal with space limitation requirements and were intended solely to be used as survival rifles (i.e., squirel - it's what's for dinner) and NOT as fighting weapons.

I will reiterate what I said about the other guy who made a similar comment:  YOU CLEARLY HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A FIREFIGHT.  You also have no concept of what it is like to have been ambushed (or to have ambushed someone) in a situation where casualties are highly likely.  Basically - YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS.



Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:51 | 3297015 Smiley
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If you're a crack shot you'll be charged with murder; they'll say you could've shot em in the knees instead.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 14:58 | 3298438 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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Mon, 03/04/2013 - 10:16 | 3297514 fajensen
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One could perhaps legally have a go with 10 rounds of 20 mm - HESH or Beehive?

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:55 | 3296676 Atomizer
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We’ll need to send in Occupy#SF to conduct hand signal negotiations.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:46 | 3297008 Rogue Trooper
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Fuckin' Hilarious.... the FSA 'Free Shit Army" in all its glory!

Bitchez this is worth watching if you really need a good laugh in these dark times (Just don't rely on any of this crew to watch your '6')

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 03:43 | 3297104 Cortez the Killer
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why isnt anyone mentioning the real problem: Niggers

Always been a problem, always will be

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:34 | 3297743 lincolnsteffens
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I think we might have some White Niggers trolling around here. Most blacks are NOT Niggers but some whites


Mon, 03/04/2013 - 13:03 | 3298085 Panafrican Funk...
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I think Chris Rock hit on something regarding "nigger-ness", without realizing or expanding on the scope to include "nigger" behavior patterns common to the great unwashed.

I tend to think "niggerism" is the natural human state, for which some barely elevate.  Jamie Dimon is an excellent example of a nigger.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 08:59 | 3297336 overbet
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These gadget tracking softwares are also used to track you. Look at lojack for laptops by absolute software. Look up background on absoulte softwares founder. It now comes on all Dell & Lenova machines by default now. You can not remove it. It is embedded into the BIOS. It tracks you. Its put on your computer without your consent. You are paying for it without knowledge. It cant be removed EVER. That is the some nasty spyware. If it reproduced itself onto other machines it would be a hell of a virus. Instead of using Hidden, Prey or Lojack, maybe a little personal responsibility would be a better alternative.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:44 | 3297598 Kaiser Sousa
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i live in Oakland (commonly refered to as Dog Town)...

its no joke out here...prepare to defend urself...

mother fuckers are going to sorely miss the days of the Panthers....believe it.......

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:42 | 3296648 Hulk
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and california politicians wants to take legal weapons away...Fuckers, all of them...

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:17 | 3296875 dobermangang
Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:42 | 3296649 Stanley Lord
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Glad to see this, cops are just government employees, if you think they carry a gun to protect you, think again.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:58 | 3296678 22winmag
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I tend to agree.


When I was a child, fireworks were illegal in my state, but a neighbor cop used to blow up his backyard on the 4th of July to the tune of WWIII with all the fireworks he confiscated from his neighbors.


As an adult, drugs are illegal in my state, but I know some cops who blow up their backyards with drug parties, and drugs confiscated from their neighbors.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:04 | 3296699 W74
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I used to have respect for cops growing up, now I realize that they're just the same thugs who bullied other kids in high school and got D's and low C's at best. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:19 | 3296967 otto skorzeny
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seems like cops were cooler 20 years ago-now they believe the media hype and hero worship

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:39 | 3296997 Ropingdown
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My local PD is, mostly, great.  But in the city next door they've all got High Speed Low Drag militarization dreams, even the fat guys, but not involving any of that opposing army or six-month stays in foreign hell holes crap.  Just kind of a live-at-home militerization.  I'd join Obama on this one,  frankly, and point out that it's Bush's fault. "Don't notice the CIA and FBI screwed up.  Just go shopping and join in the hero worship." Or so it seems to me.  Isn't war grand?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:26 | 3297044 otto skorzeny
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it does vary town-to-town- the towns with cops that used to be known as dicks still are- it must become part of the mindset in the dept. although the cool cops are harder to find-they all have hard-ons to be the baddest asses they can be but without that badge most would get their asses kicked in a heartbeat. of course alot are crazed ex-military which is a completely different can of worms.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 04:12 | 3297127 booboo
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Right, these organizations constantly calling asking for money for "our fallen brothers in blue" to "help their family" I alway tell them I gave to the "fallen lumberjack families they don't have no bennies and their job move ten times more dangerous, plus they provide the wood for the Billy Clubs cops use to beat the shit out of the citizens" they usually don't have shit to say after that.

on another note, Andy Griffith knew if he gave his deputy more then one bullet he would get out of control, lets see what happens when the state has a monopoly on force and weapons, I know what the outcome will be but there are are a few of you dipshits who insist on dying on your knees. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:15 | 3296870 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Used to buy the best meth in Stockton, CA from a police officer. Those were the days.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:43 | 3296804 A Lunatic
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Unfortunately it's often just another man in a costume; like a clown only paid better...........

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 06:38 | 3297210 mvsjcl
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I don't know about that: Dimon seems to make a hefty paycheck.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:46 | 3296660 chump666
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All citizens should be able to defend and protect themselves.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:00 | 3296687 Big Corked Boots
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Alas, many are not citizens, but subjects.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 03:46 | 3297107 Totentänzerlied
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There's no difference.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:49 | 3296667 nmewn
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As I understand it (from second in command federal officialdom)...its perfectly acceptable to empty your shotgun into the air off your balcony or through any door you hear a noise behind.
You can claim the Biden-Pistorius defense in a court of law ;-)

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:20 | 3296741 Alcoholic Nativ...
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You can.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:26 | 3296758 nmewn
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Surely you're not claiming there are two sets of for commoners and one for the elites?

We're talking about the second in line to be commander in chief & (ultimately) chief law enforcement officer giving instruction to the DOJ here ;-)

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:33 | 3296985 Ropingdown
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No.  There are three: For commoners, elites, and LEO's.  And life under one of those sets has become heritable.  All we need now are some castles.  Oh, wait...

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:58 | 3296839 The Heart
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"...its perfectly acceptable to empty your shotgun into the air off your balcony or through any door you hear a noise behind."

Maybe not in Colorado soon:

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:50 | 3296672 22winmag
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Amazing... people actually doing something for themselves that they should be doing for themselves. 


Imagine... people getting fed up with paying armed thugs to protect them from armed thugs, and taking matters into their own hands.



Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:54 | 3296677 Xibalba
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Can we get the LA Times to publish every residence with a gun permit please?  Or is that just a NY/Cuomo/Bloomy thing?

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:57 | 3296679 Edward Fiatski
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Sun, 03/03/2013 - 22:59 | 3296680 10mm
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No sad song hear.Is there really HOPE.Howsthose gun laws,call fuckin MOON BEAM.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:00 | 3296685 GOSPLAN HERO
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Many Zulu braves in Oakland.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:03 | 3296696 gbresnahan
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A chicken in every pot, two cars in every garage, and a couple semi-automatics in every home.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:09 | 3296711 Freewheelin Franklin
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May as well "Move to Somalia".

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 09:06 | 3297346 StychoKiller
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Neigh!  No indoor plumbing, no electricity!

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:10 | 3296716 max2205
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Send me 1000 and ill put them up.  Great poster.  

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:16 | 3296718 fonzannoon
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i tip my hat to the oakland cops for throwing in the towel and abdicating their pensions and benfits on their way out......right?

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:13 | 3296721 Alpacanio
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The sign for Oakland should read: "Welcome to Obama country!"

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:15 | 3296729 Temporalist
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These people taking the law into their own hands must be crazy libertarians.  I bet they voted for Ron Paul.  They need to be taught a lesson about the law.  Someone should call the cops on them.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:22 | 3296747 GOLD AND SILVER...

Remember kids, Benelli M4. Loaded with PDX Buck & Ball, extend that tube for 7+1+1. You can remove the side of a house in less than 2 seconds. Stop screwing around with glorified squirrel guns (.223).

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:07 | 3296824 hedgeless_horseman
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Benelli M2  

Inertia > Gas

Lighter and more reliable.

...with a short stock from a vendor in San Diego, Mesa Tactical.  Add a Surefire forend light, and tritium night sights for the ironsGG&G release plate and charging handle along with a Nordic extension tube and Urban ERT sling and you are good to go.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:51 | 3297012 MisterMousePotato
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Isn't that the shotgun used by the company spokesshooter where he tosses five clay pigeons in the air, picks up the gun and loads it (!), and then shoots all five before they hit the ground?

I want him on my side.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:56 | 3297023 Rogue Trooper
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Benelli M2 (tricked out). Seriously good kit and the price of a second-hand car in my part of the world :(

Just gonna have to make do with my pump.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 09:09 | 3297356 CheapBastard
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I'm a Cheap Bastard but I'll consider splurging for one of these HH. What is the 'best' barrle lenght for HD....the 14.3" or the 18"?


Any suggestions?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:15 | 3297385 hedgeless_horseman
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Get the M2 tactical, it only comes in one non-NFA bbl length, and the  adjustable ghost ring sights that come on the pistol grip and ComforTech models are top notch, especially after installing the tritium inserts.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:08 | 3296854 22winmag
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My handgun is a shotgun.


My rifle is a .323 not a .223.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:15 | 3296873 tekmike13
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Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:42 | 3296923 nightshiftsucks
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Look for the review of PDX ammo on youtube,I added and extension to my Benelli and started having feed problems.What extension did you use ?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:27 | 3296975 Ropingdown
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CarrierComp titanium alloy.  Get an appropriate heavier correct-length spring.  Make sure the magazine tube (one piece, absolutely) is very clean and give it a little dry lube. Use it a bit to let the spring and follower settle in. (Assume everybody knows the 922(r) requirements if extending the magazine tube.  If not, google it...).

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 06:39 | 3297212 Frankie Carbone
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I tend to avoid overpriced ammo like the PDX1 buck and ball. Tell me, if hit with 9 balls of 00BK, are you going to sigh in relief that "at least it wasn't PDX1"?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:05 | 3297831 SilverRhino
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Buy a real rifle ....

20 rounds of 30-06 ball and AP mixed will drop anything short of an MRAP.  

And it doubles as your hunting rifle for anything up to moose.   

Want moose and grizzly?   Drop a 35 Whelen barrel / upper assembly in it.

And if you are worried about armored opponents?  M2 AP is still exempt.  Also you can use Accelerator rounds and crank a 224 bullet 55 fmj to 4700 fps with the proper loads.   (For purposes of discussion with no admission of wrongdoing, 1/4 hardened steel dowel pins could theoretically do a real number on steel targets)


Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:23 | 3296751 The Heart
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Get Far Away From USA...Its Collapse Will Be Messy

US Economic Collapse 2013 - Be Prepared

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:24 | 3296752 stewmint
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Overblown. Criminally ept area experiencing nothing more than the 'norm', and the newsies happened to pick up the common language of the locals a little more close than usual, and you're gonna ride it forward as a prop that the "system" is breaking. 



Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:22 | 3296970 Ropingdown
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I remember Huey Newton, and these guys are no Huey Newton. Are they?  The guy that ruled Oakland was so good, they made him governor again.  Reminds me of South Chicago, really.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:24 | 3296754 Michelle
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Real Housewives of Oakland form local neighborhood watch group, nightly meetings begin at sunset. Mandatory-BYOB and SKS with extra rounds.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:28 | 3296766 tony bonn
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police are the most useless appendage in america....they are not here to help - every single complaint i have filed is dismissed out of hand....they give lip service about doing something about it - and they do: they throw it away. they are complete liars and thugs.... their only missions in life are a nazi takeover of amerika....everything else can go to hell....they brutalize and terrorize your neighborhoods - state sponsored terrorists....

i'd rather have a pig in my living room than a cop.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:49 | 3296931 Borrow Owl
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No doubt. At least you can potty train the pig.


Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:29 | 3296768 Tsar Pointless
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You can count on the police department of Pittsburgh, PA, for integrity and equal treatment under the law.

Well, then again, I like to lie a lot.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:54 | 3297018 MisterMousePotato
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Chicago, too. (Recommend to all who haven't seen it.):

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:17 | 3297038 Rogue Trooper
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Jesus this was awful and I have only watched the first 15 minutes - I am speechless.  I have more understanding of what you folks in the USSA are up against.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:36 | 3297053 MisterMousePotato
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Yeah, someone here (ZH) turned me on to it. Just appalling. Worth watching the whole thing, which even my wife did with fascination, and she is less interested in the future of our nation than I am.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 03:23 | 3297090 Rogue Trooper
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Just finished the whole thing.... numb.

Thanks again Brother

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 04:29 | 3297139 MisterMousePotato
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Not sure thanks are in order. After all, isn't ignorance bliss?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 03:08 | 3300127 tip e. canoe
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all promoted by the major record labels and their hip-hop celebrities

Edward Bernays' wet dream come true

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:30 | 3296771 Oldwood
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Last year due to financial problems, the city of my business decided that they would not respond to burglar alarms for business addresses unless there was a visual confirmation. Of course they still wanted their alarm permit fee, but I informed them that they could fuck off. They have since changed their mind. I think they want the permit fees and decided that they would just say they would show and then not. I live 30 minutes from my work and have always beat the cops there, sometimes by hours. At this point I would just as well they not show, for fear they might likely shoot me. I kind of have that terrorist look.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:35 | 3296779 davidsmith
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I'm in Oakland: the situation is so bad that no effort is made even to report crimes anymore. We really have no idea how bad it is. The money is in the hills: that's where people are robbed, and those figures haven't been released for years. Oakland is the new Zimbabwe. Coming soon to a city near you!!

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:09 | 3296855 Oldwood
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Remember to use the government approved possum defence. Lie down and play dead. Or you could use the skunk defence and piss on them. You should never lower yourself to the criminal's level and use violence. Die a peaceful death if you must die and maybe someone will put up a rememberance plaque somewhere for you. 

I know a number of lefties and they all have guns. I think they just don't want me to have one. But that horse is way out of the barn! I think the bad guys are going to become very suprised in the future with the level of weaponry they confront. It is amazing to see the number of everyday looking young and middle age women you see at Cabellas and the like, picking themselves up a gun.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:58 | 3297025 MisterMousePotato
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I think tinkling in your pants is a .gov-allowed defense, too.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:10 | 3296857 CompassionateFascist
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Black Undertow. Same as Detroit and every other non-White ethnocity in Jew-ruled Amerikwa. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:44 | 3296927 nightshiftsucks
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And when they start heading east they will be my problem,I'm ready.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:51 | 3296823 lolmao500
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While they gonna ban guns in Colorado tomorrow...

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:59 | 3296840 Oldwood
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They may ban them in the cities but I wouldn't recommend them going for the guns in the hills. Those folks know how to shoot....for food and other....varmits.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:07 | 3296853 e_goldstein
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Was considering Colorado as a relocation site before this crap came up. Guess I'm staying in Tx now.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:23 | 3297043 IridiumRebel
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Fuck Fagarado....liberal shitheads.

Sun, 03/03/2013 - 23:51 | 3296825 Revjack36
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7.62x39mm is a approved thug stopper no matter their clothing of choice. Add a micro red dot and your good.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:10 | 3296856 boeing747
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If you spend 24 hours on the road sides of International Blvd of Oakland, the chance of being killed is as high as 67%.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:10 | 3296859 TBT or not TBT
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Was on a double murder jury in Oakland for about ten minutes. The lefty DA had filled up the juror questionnaires with questions like do you support the NRA? What is your opinion of law enforcement? List all guns you are familiar with or own, etc. The DA bounced me for being a an obvious 2A absolutist. I'd told the judge outright a jury existed also as a check on the judicial branch. We could disagree with the law or the judge's interpretation of it if it clearly violated the constitution or was...stupid as applied to the case at hand. He asked all jurors not to read the constitution during the trial. I whipped mine out and asked someone to come take it from me to be trashed, n the judges order. For theater only. The judge didn't bounce me for that but oh boy the da did. He starred in that nat geo program on Oakland gang wars.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:38 | 3296994 22winmag
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Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:44 | 3297007 malek
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Similar here in Oakland jury duty.
Asked during selection I couldn't give the judge the absolute 100% guarantee that I would strictly decide inside whatever the judge would tell us were the only possible interpetations of the law, as a member of the jury.
He bounced me off right away.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 10:06 | 3297484 chubbar
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Look, you have to lie to get on a jury and you have to be on a jury to effect any change. You figure out what is right or wrong when put in that situation.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:11 | 3296860 NOTfromSanFrancisco
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All that the good residents of Oakland, or anywhere else for that matter, need to do is "Buy a shotgun" according to our wise and caring V.P.

He kinda has a point, especially if you are a female under 5'5" and weigh less than 140 lbs or so. You see, if you fire a shotgun blast at an intruder inside your home, it won't matter if you hit the perp or not. The recoil should be sufficient to drive you back through the wall and down the road away from the bad guy... No kiddin'!...

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:33 | 3296882 hedgeless_horseman
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You see, if you fire a shotgun blast at an intruder inside your home, it won't matter if you hit the perp or not. The recoil should be sufficient to drive you back through the wall and down the road away from the bad guy... No kiddin'!..


This lady weighs less than 125 pounds and puts 10 rounds of 3" magnum 00 Buck through her 12 guage, combat loading 6 rounds, all in under 22 seconds.  Afterwards, she is still holding the gun on the target, with a round in the chamber, in the same spot she was standing when she started the drill.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:55 | 3296936 NOTfromSanFrancisco
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Now now H H... If I had written "SARC" in big capital letters, would you still want to argue over something so trivial?...

You actually went to the trouble of finding a video showing trained shooters at a 10 shot drill and you want to compare the woman in the video to most women in homes across the USA?... Really?... Do you honestly think that a semi automatic shotgun has the same recoil as a double barrel shotgun like Biden was recommending? Shoot much?...

Biden was addressing his comments to the general population of women who were concerned about defending themselves at home with a firearm. The video I posted shows Biden's comments to buy a double barrel shotgun, followed by  different women shooting different types of shotguns. One woman was even shooting a semi automatic and after 3 shots, landed on her duff...

You need to relax... I'll see your horseshit and raise you an ignoramus...

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:04 | 3296948 Teamtc321
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I agree, total Horse shit. I have shot thousands and thousands of rounds shooting trap. A very large percentage when I was young weighing between 100-125 maybe, maybe. Model 12 with a high rib. I did have a good vest with a doctor shool's (sp) modified shoe insert sewed into the right shoulder for added cushion but I was a skinny little fucker with no meat. I shot the eyes out at the trap clubs all over the place.

Horseshit horseshit horseshit.  

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:47 | 3296930 nightshiftsucks
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Silly,my 19 year old 105lb daughter loves shooting my Benelli M4.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:12 | 3296955 Ropingdown
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Sweet gun.  Biden's staff apparently failed to brief him.  "Buy a double barreled shotgun," he said.  No.  Buy a Benelli M4. 

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 02:40 | 3297055 otto skorzeny
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do her titties jiggle real nice whe she shoots it?

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:12 | 3297878 MachoMan
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I'm guessing at 105 lbs there isn't much jiggling... 

(you might also want to take a cold shower).

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:50 | 3296932 shinobi-7
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I didn't know there were still people in Oakland. We should ask for a drawbridge on the bay to be raised at night.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 00:52 | 3296934 Rusty Diggins
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The crew prefers Saiga 12s for repelling boarding parties.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:22 | 3296971 otto skorzeny
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rusty-I've been enjoying some of your antics on jewtube

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:37 | 3296991 22winmag
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I will pump my own thank you very much.



M590A1 Owner

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:07 | 3296949 newengland
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Pelosi's California. O'bomba's California. Bankrupt crime ridden statist California.

Where is Hollywood's finest in this situation? They are tax evaders, and DC jerks. Self-serving vain money grubbers.

But they are closest to the Politbureau of China, Russia and the EUSSR.  Good luck with that. Don't expect the East in the USA to pay for failed Californication.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:35 | 3296989 22winmag
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You forgot to mention all the fake conservatives... as in Too Many Fake Conservatives.

Mon, 03/04/2013 - 01:19 | 3296966 Rick Blaine
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"Now I'm going to Emmet's Fix It fix Emmet."

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