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Dear American: It's An "Extraordinary Circumstance" And This Drone's Coming For You

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In response to Rand Paul's letter asking whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial," we now have an answer. Attorney General Holder responds, in a word "Yes." Of course, it is caveated with 'extraordinary circumstances' and 'necessity' but as Mike Krieger so subtly summarizes: "the military can assassinate U.S. citizens on U.S. soil." As NBC reports, the letter from Holder surfaced just as the Senate Intelligence Committee was voting 12-3 to approve White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan to be CIA director. The vote came after the White House agreed to share additional classified memos on targeted drone strikes against U.S. citizens overseas. As Rand Paul commented, "this is more than frightening... it is an affront to the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans."


Full Holder Letter:

Dear Senator Paul,

 

On February 20, 2013, you write to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."

 

As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and have no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individual have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

 

The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could  conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001.

 

Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority.

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Holder,
Attorney General

 

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Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:44 | 3303224 knukles
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Reminds me that the only 2 palces you can properly say "Bite, you cocksucker" are on a golf course and in a whore house.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:21 | 3303138 Tsar Pointless
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Well, some people do hate us for our freedoms.

And freedom - it isn't free, folks.

Either your with us, or you're against us.

America: Love it or leave it.

Did I miss any Bush-era talking points? I hope not, because that would mean my memory ain't what she was 10 years ago.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have these Freedom fries to eat.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:24 | 3303151 booboo
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Sounds like your record is stuck but your memory is fine, you may want to move into 2013, we have this new guy and he makes Shrub look like a piker when it comes to jack booted thuggery.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:28 | 3303172 Tsar Pointless
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Relax booboo, honey. I's just playin' 'round wit y'all.

Havin' sum funz.

My little trot down memory lane merely was to establish that this crap was preordained a decade or so ago - I'd say on or around September 11, 2001.

"This new guy" may be the decider now, but nothing we are facing in 2013 would be possible without the decider from 2001.

Or, to be fair, the people who bought and paid for both deciders. Those are the ones we should thank.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:45 | 3303227 knukles
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Coulda been reversed, too.  But weren't, were it.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:53 | 3303260 Tsar Pointless
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No, it were not.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:33 | 3303196 putaipan
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unless we start an organized and underground third party campaign now apealling to the fuck the right left dichotomy (and i suggest we ignore for now who would be potus and instead focus on the entire cabinet)...

IT'S GONNA BE BUSH FUCKING THREE IN 2016!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:59 | 3303292 CH1
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PLEASE - stop playing their game, it's utterly rigged. 3rd party, 4th party, who cares - it's a entity that takes your money by force.

Walk away from the slave system and start buildinging an independent life.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:57 | 3303487 OccupyTVstations
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It sounds like you're saying- give up, the bad guys won.

 

Why does everyone accept that the system is going to collapse and it's going to be hell for everyone. It doesn't have to end like that. There is no shortage of money in the world, it's just that a few greedy bastards have hoarded it all. (Cayman Islands $32 Trillion)

Instead of a collapse, we could take that money back from the banksters, and have a global renaissance like the 1500s on steroids...

We could have that beautiful world- we do not have to accept that the thieves get away with it.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:58 | 3303678 GFKjunior
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I'm no historian but I'm pretty sure the renaissance was financed by rich families, churches and assorted city-state governments.

 

Not really what I have in mind...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:25 | 3303910 bigyimmy007
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"Why does everyone accept that the system is going to collapse and it's going to be hell for everyone. It doesn't have to end like that. There is no shortage of money in the world..."

It's because of the end of cheap oil and too many people to support any more forced growth and neo-feudal rape of the masses, or in other words, a massive die off of the parasites (the oligarchs and the free shit army, the world over).

And the asswipes who run this show know it. They're simply just buying time (as well as stockpiling gold, weapons, and ammo).

Also there's no bad or good guys, only those who still play and those who walk away.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:51 | 3303659 The Heart
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"IT'S GONNA BE BUSH FUCKING THREE IN 2016!"

Do you think those voting in the fema camps will be counted as absentee ballots?

And...after all those guillotined patriots are done with...will the govt vote for them like they do for other dead people?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:30 | 3303759 XitSam
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We're in the fourth Bush term right now.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:17 | 3303817 putaipan
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counting nixon.....that's 5 by my count. where's smedley butler when ya need 'im?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:18 | 3303819 putaipan
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ooh! ...forgot reagan . that's seven.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:21 | 3303823 putaipan
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ooh ooh! (like that kid in mr. kotters' class).........clintons' - sheesh!    9.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:01 | 3303878 Rogue Trooper
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It's 44.. and these 'plans' do take time to unfold.

Kind like the Bene Gesserit in Dune.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:21 | 3303139 booboo
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"They come at you with a knife, you pull a gun, they send one yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue"

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:23 | 3303142 Mercury
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I don’t trust Holder or Obama one bit on anything but perhaps the ends are more important than the means here.

 

If someone was holding 11 women and children hostage say, after a failed bank heist,  I don’t think it would be considered extra-constitutional for federal law enforcement personnel to move in and kill the guy if they had the chance.  Whether or not that killing is done with a SWAT team or a drone shouldn’t make much difference.

You don't actually always get to have due process.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:27 | 3303168 cossack55
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That is not where it will end.  The Iranians have demonstrated that they can "seize" control of drones and crash or land them.  The only defense is thru autonomous operations and on-board "kill decision" authority.  I hope you can see that nothing can go wrong when this transpires.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:17 | 3303510 Radical Marijuana
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Human police, who were gradually made to become robotic, will eventually be replaced by police that really are robots. Unless one has special secret codes to control those robot/police, then those monsters could become summary executioners. The technological imperatives of drone countermeasures will require taking human beings out of the loop of command, because they will be too slow to cope. When the drones are operating within milliseconds, the decisions to kill must be made within milliseconds. There is no reasonable doubt that anything one can imagine in these respects WILL happen, and even more that we cannot yet imagine. Therefore, I have no doubts whatsoever that these robot/police drones WILL become autonomous, with on-board "kill decision" authority.

Thereafter, it will no longer be possible to have a well enough developed macabre sense of humour to maintain a sufficiently sarcastic attitude towards these events! There will be exceeding strange things that eventually transpire, when the secret back door controls get partially hacked, and protecting against that will finally result in totally intransigent autonomous operations.

This will be a very rapid arms race to hell, where eventually ALL HUMAN BEINGS SHALL LOSE. This is simply the original dilemmas generated by atomic bombs, manifesting again and again, through each wave of new technology! That which the ruling classes of human beings use against other human beings will eventually be used against those ruling classes too, because they have made that system self-selecting to evolve like that. The step by step evolution of the patriarchal militarism, through the fascist plutocracy, will continue to finally become utterly inhuman. The way that the human elites advanced inhumane treatment of other human beings will eventually consummate itself through autonomous computer/machine entities with psychotic programming, that evolve to attack human beings. We are watching the rapid evolution of the worst science fiction nightmares become facts, faster and faster ...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:32 | 3303764 XitSam
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You forget. Magnus, Robot Fighter will save us.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:55 | 3303668 The Heart
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Now where is that google earth map showing all the drone control trailer locations at?

Anyone have the link?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:34 | 3303201 otto skorzeny
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yeah but those fuckers in the SWAT get paid very well to do just that kind of shit

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:48 | 3303204 teolawki
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And those 11 women and children would simply be "acceptable collateral damage" to someone like you. Have another toke and try again moron.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:25 | 3303319 Mercury
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The context of this post is the government's authority (or not) to use lethal force on an individual US citizen on US soil without all the bells and whistles of due process. So in this hypothetical you'll be pleased to know that all 11 women and children returned home safely to their homes unharmed.

 

What is far more alarming and dangerous than what weapons Obama has at his disposal is when the president or the federal government in general insert themselves into jurisdictions, circumstances and areas of life where they have no business being. Once it’s acceptable for the POTUS to weigh in and try to influence a botched, local breaking-and-entering case or Trayvon Martin's shooting or to sail over the legislative process with far reaching executive orders on all and sundry, the rule of law is comprimised.

I'd rather have an executive branch with drones that stuck to its knitting than than one with swords and clubs that didn't.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:49 | 3303654 palmereldritch
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 I'd rather have an executive branch with drones that stuck to its knitting than than one with swords and clubs that didn't.

The fact that the drones are rolling out on such an obvious and simultaneously insidious and stealthy threat application is plenty evidence that the executive's branch's knitting can't be trusted and that it ain't fucking knitting in the first place...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:51 | 3303860 DollarMenu
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A failed bank heist is not really a Federal matter requiring the use of the military.

That's for local LEO to deal with, and yes, they might se drones, but they will be under control of their

locally elected paymasters.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:33 | 3303923 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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U cannot rob a bank in the USA.  The banks rob U.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:23 | 3303148 ABG LINE
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Just BTFD you fucking idiot.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:25 | 3303153 toady
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Yeah, but what are ya gonna do?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:25 | 3303154 IridiumRebel
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Don't drone me bro!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:24 | 3303827 putaipan
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not funny anymore.....wasn't that at a kerry speech ?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:25 | 3303156 rsnoble
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LOL, why would we need drones for a 9-11 style attack when we called down the Air Force to begin with?

They are building up because the truth is rapidly spreading.  There shouldn't be one person in the US who doesn't wake up every am with a sick stomach knowing the fucking clowns that run the gov't are the ones that are behind 9-11.  Knowing that is knowing they are fully capable of doing anything.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:56 | 3303279 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Indeed.  So where do you forsee the dirty bomb going off?  

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:00 | 3303293 CH1
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where do you forsee the dirty bomb going off? 

Yup - that's a very likely false flag.

Fear makes their system work.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:09 | 3303890 Rogue Trooper
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True eough, but they are under little pressure at this point.  They have got just about everything they could have desired since the last 'event'.

They will create a new axis if evil at that point.... the scenario planning is going on while we type.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:34 | 3303835 putaipan
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uh the thirty third degree parallel ? charleston s.c. ? that brigg where the first american dissapeared is being held.......you know the one with the 'plans for a dirty bomb' ?  .... or, did they move him?  jose pedilla was rendered for their cute lil'purim costumes ! (actually i always thought he was john doe #2 from oklahoma gettin' noriega'd)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:25 | 3303157 indio007
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How is this not impeachable? This does not comport with any sort of due process.

Due process means notice and opportunity to be heard.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:29 | 3303174 vortmax
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The Administration now claims Executive review IS due process. New normal!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:03 | 3303495 ebworthen
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"After holding a 1/2 military tribunal with a Pastor present to represent the 50 residents bearing arms to protest the restriction of any ammunition besides 22 LR, 20 gauge pellet, and .38 revolver it was determined the Men, Women, and Children gathered in the Town Square brandishing assault rifles posed a clear and present danger to national security as well as the local community.

Therefore, the President authorized a drone with video and infrared proof of the dangerous weapons being brandished to end the situation with a Hellfire missile strike.

We deeply regret the loss of their lives but assure you prayers were said for them and that you are safer because of it."

Waco 20th anniversary this April 19th.  The slaughter by U.S. Government of 72 Men, Women, and Children

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:17 | 3303733 Bingfa
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Timothy Mcveigh...... 1995 Oklahoma City bombing

He said it was payback...right?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:12 | 3303544 nmewn
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You're laboring under the premise that the law applies to everyone...it does not anymore.

Under a top/down authoritarian system you get, Holder running guns to Mexico and someone carrying a Glock charged with a federal felony in DC...you get, bureaucrats and Presidents flying off to wine tastings and golf lessons while Big Sis & Small O let loose illegal aliens & cut Tri-Care for veterans and spouses...you get, forced to buy a product you do not want like ObamaCare and told to love it because this is the best it will ever get, basically, ADMINISTRATIVE HACKS telling people their lives don't mean shit to them...and eat your peas! 

Welcome to the machine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6PEKX4SIw

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:09 | 3303715 ebworthen
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+10 for "Welcome to the machine" and link.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:38 | 3303841 putaipan
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i kinda feel like robert deniro in "brazil"  .... (substitue air conditioning ducts for the pink floyd link i didn't click)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:27 | 3303166 rsnoble
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Oh and btw with the new gun trafficking laws why isn't that worthless fuck Holder going to jail?  Don't answer that im just saying. What a rancid piece of putrid dog shit.

If one needs to know why the military buildup within our borders just scan the internet comments here and elsewhere.  Those bastards are found out.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:27 | 3303167 Sizzurp
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Skynet is born.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:31 | 3303189 john39
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the high def surveillance cameras have been going up at break neck speed across the U.S...    all along the highways on polls... every intersection in cities... all fed into supercomputers run by who the hell knows...   germans have started making a sport of destroying the cameras, can't be long until it spreads in the U.S. as well...   should be simple enough, they can't defend the cameras, they are everwhere.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:03 | 3303304 Banksters
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Germans destroying surveillance cameras.

CAMOVER 2013!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBQr0vo_MVs

 
Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:06 | 3303320 fudge
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You got more problems than cams if this works ... http://russiatoday.ru/usa/darpa-conversations-lease-crowdsourcing-809/

They'll see you and they'll hear you,next step is an implant to make sure you're thinking the 'right way'

 

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:52 | 3303794 suteibu
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When the Terminator is sent back from the future, Lease is the guy he's going to target.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:29 | 3303173 Cabreado
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I would guess that an enlightened cross section of the USA has already deemed Holder traitorous, rendering his words meaningless.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:29 | 3303175 kito
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JUST DONT BRING BACK PROHIBITION!!!!!! THAT WILL REALLY PISS OFF AMERICANS!!!! everything else we can deal with....................................

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:47 | 3303226 newengland
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Only DC political delinquents and other wastrels can afford to get drunk on their hubris.

You are very provincial, unaware of the world beyond your ways.

Billions of dollars go missing from U.S. public accounts, paid to foreign wastrels who serve DC political delinquents - all drunk on their hubris.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:51 | 3303250 kito
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im not talking about getting drunk on my hubris jackass............im talking about my right to get drunk on BEER, TEQUILA, VODKA...whatever i damn please............im all for prohibition of political deliquents getting drunk on hubris..............................

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:54 | 3303269 newengland
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Silly boy.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 05:55 | 3303908 Rogue Trooper
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Yes, but think of the savings that could be had by having only one liquor as the endless war continues to defend our freedoms.  Victory Gin seems like a good name. It would of course need to be rationed but demand can be easily predicted by the Ministry of Plenty.

An Economist....

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:42 | 3303850 putaipan
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given 'fast and furious', HSBC, corrazine and he still hasn't had his meese moment....i'm guess it's gonna have to be the intellectual property-ization of porn that'd getthe nations attention.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:29 | 3303177 THECOMINGDEPRESSION
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I'm covering myself with gold and silver, won't get me..I'll be hiding under my rocks

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:29 | 3303178 IridiumRebel
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Soon they'll drone delinquents.....owe 10K to Best Buy?
XXX drOWEnXXX

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 05:56 | 3303922 Rogue Trooper
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Great idea.  Why not have an 0900 DRONEE number and any good compliant law abiding citizens can call in terrrist or those just plotting or doin' weird shit. You know dissin' the dollar, hording Gold, collecting Black Kiddy Killin' AR Platforms of Death and Terror. 

I, for one, would feel much safer.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:31 | 3303180 newengland
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As you do, so you will be done by.

DC, den of two faced lying tax thieves, and endless warmongers...with the Crown and Vatican's approval.

The House slave is no better than the field slave. O'bomba and Hold'er are 'useful idiots', and 'educated fools', as Lenin described such types.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:31 | 3303188 e_goldstein
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Kinda wondering what one of these would do against an optics package.

Then again, might just send the hellfire down the beam and up your ass.

http://www.wickedlasers.com.hk/arctic

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:35 | 3303198 newengland
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Most wastrel DC prats should be hung, drawn and quartered for their lies, and thievery. 

Some exceptions to that rule. The best exceptions should do more.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:45 | 3303443 willwork4food
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I would love to bid on that contract.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 08:34 | 3304226 spankfish
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You would have to be a minority contractor to get the contract or bid on it... sorry for your trouble.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:33 | 3303197 Wakanda
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Eric,

The Second American Revolution - unfolding now in a neighborhood near you.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:35 | 3303202 Oldwood
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Its all in your imagination...isn't it? Everything else is, right?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:42 | 3303218 newengland
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O'bomba signed the NDAA on New Year's Eve 2012, and drones on.

You, fool.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:31 | 3303403 Oldwood
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So you are saying DON'T BTFD?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:47 | 3303449 newengland
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Gold, silver, land. Buying anything else is a risky short term trade. G'luck if you are a day trader.

Even Chairsatan thinks so. Follow the money. He will do as necessary.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:50 | 3303470 Oldwood
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I question everything.I see what you see and wonder, are they crazy? Don't they know we see what they are doing? Then i think, maybe I'm doing exactly what they want me to do. Every since Obama and even before, we have been hearing about the dangers of the right wing wackos. The conspiracy nuts. Do they seem to care what we think about anything. The spending, the printing, the banks, the gun laws, immigration, healthcare and even what we eat? I mean they are seeming deliberately provoking us. Why?

I don't have the answer, but I do believe any acts of violence would play into their hands. I think by going Galt we are playing into their hands. They are pleased to death for us to marginalize ourselves. Afterall, I don't think they want the economy to recover. I don't think they care about school children's safety. I think they want control. I think they despise us and have nothing but contempt for our beliefs in freedom. They see what we do and how easily we are manipulated and see us as livestock, to be herded with our "simple" ideas. Rules for radicals explains it quite well. Manipulate us to self destruction. The South's strategy to control the slaves was based on dependency and control of education, in their case the lack of education. The slave's inability to read and comprehend complex ideas was needed to maintain control. Throw in a little violence and you have a contained population. We are being conditioned and simultaneously divided. As I say, I have no answer.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:52 | 3303658 newengland
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All fair points, oldwood. I suppose no one has the sole answer. Life is a team effort, and that is why I despise monopolists, corporatists, fascists, despots, socialists, communists...the constructs of the  central bank cartel of the corrupt Crown, corrupt  Vatican and its duped fans.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights  is still our best hope, in my opinion.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 05:58 | 3304072 Rogue Trooper
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Good discussion both of you.  Who the fuck gave you a downvote newengland?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:45 | 3303228 laomei
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Welcome to the Drone State.  It's like the Police State you're used to from before, but now there's not even a warning before they murder you.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:49 | 3303240 newengland
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China shoots dissenters, and the Politburo robs its people, pays them a dollar a day for serving Western consumerism.

Your problems are far worse. Pet.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:04 | 3303310 laomei
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Lol, you have no idea about China at all, it's pretty cute to see you vent your ignorance though.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:10 | 3303336 newengland
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Your bias is apparent, Polituboro slave master.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:49 | 3303466 willwork4food
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Oh, and us Americans aren't slave master's to the FED? The bullshit laws they write each year? The obscene pay they get from us?

If I was Chinese I would be laughing all the way to the bank.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:22 | 3303825 akak
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The proper phrase is US 'americans'.

If you are going to throat your mind in the attempt to monolize the speeching means, at least blob-up the terminology correctly.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:47 | 3303231 alien-IQ
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Everything we allow our government to do abroad, we invite them to do at home.

Everyday, this point is proven. Everyday, this fact is ignored.

You don't get the government you want, you get the government you deserve. This is precisely what America deserves.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:13 | 3303248 newengland
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alien-IQ,

True.

Consequences teach best.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:19 | 3303369 OccupyTVstations
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yes, and those who caused all this misery should do all the suffering.

 

make the banksters pay.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:23 | 3303377 newengland
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Better yet: occupy the Vatican and the British Crown Estates of Nazis. The central banksters serve that master and mistress.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:03 | 3303301 laomei
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Let's be honest here for a second though.  America isn't getting even a taste of the world it deserves for itself yet.  Here's to the future though!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:09 | 3303335 newengland
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Good luck with your hubris, laomei.

China: dead men walking, making slaves of Africa for resources. History rhymes....

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:49 | 3303462 GMadScientist
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Because you didn't do that in the Philippines, the Pacific Islands, the Caribbean, and most if not all of South America, ignorant hypocrite?

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:59 | 3303499 Oldwood
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The big players are not profit seeking. They are bringing their saving graces of Democracy/Communism (take your pick) ideology to these backward countries. sarc/off

 Amazing how unprofitable freedom and individual competition is for big government. Like our cities do where they are continually annexing new areas into the municipalities to generate more revenue as the existing community is no longer bringing in the bucks they deem needed.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:51 | 3303244 kill switch
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Rand Paul,,

 

Start impeachment or shut the fuck up,,,,,you assholes are always looking for the American people to start it!!! But not you,,,what,, give up all the perks of your office????

Rand stop talking and DO SOMTHING!!! AND MAKE IT OVER THE TOP, IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS,,We are in fucking deep yogert and there is no way out unless we fucking revolt, can any of you fucks connect the dots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How nice a letter from Eric,,,what a fucking trooper.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:42 | 3303432 kito
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why would rand actually DO something when its far easier to spout off and then work back room deals with the republican status quo......................

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:50 | 3303246 stant
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olympus has fallen the feel good movie of the year. a real ransom of red chief story

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:53 | 3303266 tony bonn
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this is the smoking gun proving that america is a nazi state - there is nothing left to do but send storm troopers and gestapo after political dissenters...the "extraordinary circumstances" is nazi-speak for "whenever the fuck we want to"

".."the military can assassinate U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.".."

now this is old news....the us army delta force was deployed as back-up to the former fbi agent turned west memphis police officer who murdered martin luther king jr.....the rifle bagman was lloyd jowers...the murderer disappeared into the cia i believe or some other nazi agency.....but i have some sea front real estate just outside topeka for you if you believe that james earl ray was the murderer.

in fact the government, under the army, maintains an assassination hit team to murder people whenever it wants to murder.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:59 | 3303287 newengland
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Since the founding of the Federal Reserve Board in 1913, the Nazi agenda moves forward. It is progressive. Step by step.

The rootless cosmopolitans of the Crown and Vatican are most hateful. I pity its captives, the wage slaves like Bernanke et al.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:46 | 3303852 putaipan
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1871.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:22 | 3303378 Jon Bong Jovi
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"in fact the government, under the army, maintains an assassination hit team to murder people whenever it wants to murder."

 

Dude, it's called Operation Treadstone, and you can't fuck with Jason Bourne. He'll kill you with a piece of newspaper.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:56 | 3303276 SillySalesmanQu...
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May a mis-guided, mis-programmed drone fly straight up your ass Eric Holder and fly out your nose.

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:03 | 3303306 newengland
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House slave Holder thinks he is better than field slaves. Hey ho. He gets the money, and kudos. Everyone else pays for it.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:19 | 3303903 Kirk2NCC1701
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'Hofsklave'?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:03 | 3303297 ekm
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Ok, do you NOW people believe what I've been saying for months already:

The president of USA (whoever that one is) has the legal right to give the order to make DOW go 15k, 17k, 21k or pick any number.

Likewise, the same person has the legal right and power to make DOW go the other way around, 10k, 6k, 4k, 2k.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, banks are not, and I repeat are not the original TBTF. The concept was invented many many years ago to bailout Lockheed Martin, Boeing etc, the WEAPON MANUFACTURERS.

 

Those are the ones who rule, the military complex, not the banks. When those guys get pissed (not if), they just get pissed.

Those guys rule. It has been like this, it is like this and it will be like this. It will never change.

 

When DOW collapses, it will not be due to fundamentals or technicals, it will be because those guys will be royally pissed and whoever is the president will just obey, as every single president has done so far.

 

So, hang tight, watch crude oil price, check Iran news and in beautiful moment the order will be given by the president to stop.

It is this simple, it has been this simple and it will be this simple.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:07 | 3303324 newengland
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Buy gold, silver, land...and hold her ;-)

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:01 | 3303692 Bingfa
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The Iran drum is beating again...loudly

Homicidal maniacs.....War is the biggest business of all

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:12 | 3303726 ekm
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Correct.

DOW supply/demand balance is about 7k-8k. The higher it goes the less trading is done, the more finance employment decreases.

 

I was fearing NYSE bankruptsy and it happened. I was fearing CME bankruptsy and lo and behold they are looking for a buyer. It's because the gov/fed owns everything. Nothing left to trade.

 

There is absolutely no way DOW at this level, to occur, except for in case of a presidential executive order. Only a military order based on 'extraordinary circumstances' like the one for the use of drones to kill americans, only such a order could make DOW all time high possible.

 

Consequently, reversing that order will make it crater at lightspeed. Again, check crude oil, check Iran. Those are the clues.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:45 | 3303781 Bingfa
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The whole thing is a fukin cesspool

It's over. Start working on a soft landing for yourself and loved ones.

               Operation _Depopulation

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:50 | 3303790 Bingfa
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They're playing GOD now.....

It's so far beyond a GOD complex

                 STAND

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:03 | 3303303 BlueCheeseBandit
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Who was this guy's ConLaw prof? Heinrich Himler?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:10 | 3303311 lakecity55
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Picture of the USA in one year from now:

 

http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/288/media-288898/large.jpg

 

Future American Tourist Spots:

 

http://conflictseries.com/images/gallery_images/ww1/a30_world_war_1_ceme...

 

Forward, Drones!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:07 | 3303517 willwork4food
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I'm guessing you're one of the real fun lively ones at the party, right?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:07 | 3303323 medium giraffe
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Looks like the Internment camps are ready to go. Scary stuff:

 

 

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/storm-clouds-gathering/

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:18 | 3303367 newengland
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The situation is far worse in the rest of the world, but it is for 3% of Americans to defend the Republic, as they did before, and can do again.

Corporatist slaves in the Far East, Middle East, Europe and Britain are weak, as they ever were. Their best people come to the U.S. Republic, and defend it.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:38 | 3303422 medium giraffe
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Arab Spring, Spanish mass demonstrations, Bulgarian mass demonstration and demands, Portugese mass demonstrations including Army and Police, London riots, Greek riots and violence.  And in America? Fucking Occupy? You sure you have the full story there amigo?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:40 | 3303426 newengland
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You have a story fed to you by ...CIA, Nazis.

Arab Spring? Nonsense. Confuse, and conquer.

Moron.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:02 | 3303478 medium giraffe
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Sure, I suppose all of those twitter accounts and all of the youtube videos and all of the independent bloggers was a CIA conspiracy? Really? These demonstrations were suppressed by MSM, not promoted by them.  Your view is very rose-tinted and ideological with as yet no basis in fact, perhaps there are wailing guitars and soaring eagles in this fantasy march you see in your head.  I'm not saying the US populace wont demonstrate, but they are late to the party.  Even the Canadians have been rioting for goodness sake.  And please don't fall back to name calling, it's disrespectful and not conducive to reasonable debate.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:08 | 3303523 newengland
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Silly naive person, and hypocrite.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:26 | 3303541 medium giraffe
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Some counter argument you have there! Well, good luck with the trolling. And reality. :) Have an upvote on me for your efforts.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:45 | 3303851 The Heart
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http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf

 

DETAINEE PROCESSING TECHNIQUE4-33

Upon capture, Soldiers must process detainees using the “search, silence, segregate, speed safeguard, and tag (5 Ss and T)” technique. This technique provides a structure to guide Soldiers in conducting detainee operations until they transfer custody of detainees to another authority or location. Complete the “5 Ss and T” technique as follows:

Search. Neutralize a detainee and confiscate weapons, personal items, and items of potential intelligence and/or evidentiary value.

Silence Prevent detainees from communicating with one another or making audible clamor such as chanting, singing, or praying. Silence uncooperative detainees by muffling them with a soft, clean cloth tied around their mouths and fastened at the backs of their heads. Do not use duct tape or other adhesives, place a cloth or either objects inside the mouth, or apply physical force to silence detainees.

Segregate. Segregate detainees according to policy and SOPs (segregation requirements differ from operation to operation). The ability to segregate detainees may be limited by the availability of manpower and resources at the POC. At a minimum, try to segregate detainees by grade, gender, age (keeping adults from juveniles and small children with mothers), and security risk. MI and military police personnel can provide additional guidance and support in determining the appropriate segregation criteria.

Speed. Quickly move detainees from the continuing risks associated with other combatants or sympathizers who may still be in the area of capture. If there are more detainees than the Soldiers can control, call for additional support, search the detainees, and hold them in place until reinforcements arrive.

Safeguard. Protect detainees and ensure the custody and integrity of all confiscated items. Soldiers must safeguard detainees from combat risk, harm caused by other detainees, and improper treatment or care. Report all injuries. Correct and report violations of U.S. military policy that occur while safeguarding detainees. Acts and/or omissions that constitute inhumane treatment are violations of the law of war and, as such, must be corrected immediately. Simply reporting violations is insufficient. If a violation is ongoing, a Soldier has an obligation to stop the violation and report it. Z

Tag. Ensure that each detainee is tagged using DD Form 2745.

Confiscated equipment, personal items, and evidence will be linked to the detainee using the DD Form 2745 number. When a DA Form 4137 is used to document confiscated items, it will be linked to the detainee by annotating the DD Form 2745 control number on the form.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:24 | 3303907 Kirk2NCC1701
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This is the improved version of what Nazis did. 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:14 | 3303355 Stinko da Munk
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Have they sold the naming rights and branding space on the drones yet? Is there a Goodyear drone? Penzoil? Martha Stewart? Come on, this 'Merica and we need to do drones right, bitchez.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:55 | 3303393 fudge
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Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:16 | 3303361 Antifederalist
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Fuck you Holder. You should be disbarred, impeached, and put in jail.

How dare you pretend to be an American.

I am ashamed that you are a citizen of the US.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:21 | 3303375 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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African-Americans I know call idiots like Eric Holder (& his octaroon buddy in the Oval Office) "House Slaves".  They were the slaves that cozied up to Massa so as not to have to work out in the blazing sun.  When the slaves revolts started, they were treated almost as bad as "The Man".

I've heard many refer to the president as an "Oreo Cookie".  Black on the outside, 100% white on the inside.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:26 | 3303392 newengland
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O'bomba and Holder are House slaves.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:45 | 3303444 GMadScientist
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And you're a white nigger.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:02 | 3303506 newengland
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The mad scientist invents his own phrase.  Spiffing, ol' chap :-) Encore!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:47 | 3303785 Rusty Shorts
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You're an idiot.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:16 | 3303898 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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newengland or me?  Not sure who this person is insulting.  lol.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:20 | 3303904 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Why do I suspect that the people who voted U down...

A) are white

B) don't know any black people

C) are politically correct A-holes

Smart black people know this fucker Obomber is fucking them over too.  The only thing that annoys me is when other white people call Obomber the N word, but were silent when GW Bush was wiping his ass with the Constitution.

Also, lots of liberal retards are making excuses for Obomber's invasions, but were critical and foaming @ the mouth when GW Bush did it.

Hypocrites.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:17 | 3303736 Alpha Monkey
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I enjoyed what became of Samuel L. Jackson's character in Django.  He played a shrewd house slave.  Good movie btw.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:22 | 3303376 eddiebe
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Come on guys, we knew shoot first and ask questions later was the american way since' we 'first took this land. Nothing has changed, it's just that now it's you and me on the other side of the gun.

 Sucks don't it.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:43 | 3303388 newengland
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eddie be,

Moron.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:18 | 3303567 Oldwood
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People are high functioning morons for the most part. We are exactly the same people of thousands of years ago. If not we would have learned from history but we haven't now, have we?  We will always be manipulated by the exact same things, over and over again. The core of American exceptionalism is the fact that the vast majority of the people who came here came to escape the very thing that has taken over the rest of the world and is well on its way here now. After multiple generations have passed, so has the urge for freedom. The little bit of vitality our country has experienced in the last 20 years has likely been the result of illegals as they came here with little hope of something for nothing. That has all changed now,as they are here for the benefits like so many others. Same as it ever was. the only difference is that we had a short glimpse of what we could have had.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:15 | 3303731 Alpha Monkey
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Unless our history has been distorted ever so slightly by some certain organizations who wish us to see things a certain way... *cough* texas education board *cough* and that's just one example.  Obviously, it's not a grand conspiracy per se, but some people are certainly out to shape our opinion, including that of our history. 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 08:10 | 3304187 Oldwood
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There is no grand conspiracy here. What is happenng and always has happened is as natural as bamboo roots choking out everything they can reach. Natural forces seek to  dominate and those that do not will be ultimately marginalized or eliminated. We see people who conspire to maximize their personal benefits from the weakness's of others, some more ugly than others, but the world is what it is. Any efforts to change this through the adminstration of laws will likely cause even more wreckage in the end.  Humans learned how to domesticate animals to our won benefit long ago. What would make anyone believe that they would not seek to do the same with fellow humans. Marketing firms and politicians have made a science out of it.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:23 | 3303382 kchrisc
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The guillotines are on order.           hujel

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:23 | 3303383 BullyBearish
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Spy Drones Over America Envisioned in 1988

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THLT5iJldk0

 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:28 | 3303395 NoWayJose
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Today's drones in the US are only practicing for when the SHTF and the Feds need to break up armed mobs of citizens.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:37 | 3303410 newengland
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Yep.

When money is no more and QE to infinity bankrupts most people but the fascists, then the fascists pass law to defend themselves...with the help of 'educated fools' and 'useful idiots' like the Democraps and Repugnants.

No wonder DC likes the Middle Eastern despots and China's communist thieves; for the few, paid by the many. True to the Crown and the Vatican, who currently ruin Europe and Britain, as ever, for their pleasure and profit.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:41 | 3303431 Kastorsky
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like a strike on a certain gun smuggler and drugs runner, formerly known as a fucking attorney general!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:02 | 3303507 GMadScientist
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Hey now...we need all the profit centers we can get with this sequestration going on; let's not be hasty!

See where they take the guns and drugs first. ;)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:43 | 3303434 401-Kulak
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And they complained about the Spanish Inquisition?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:44 | 3303437 reader2010
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In fifty years or so,  a forty-year-young blonde will say, "So what? We're used to it. Do you want to have sex with me right now or not?"

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:44 | 3303438 GMadScientist
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The funniest part of this is that most Americans are acting like this hasn't been the policy of the US government since the Whiskey Rebellion.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:46 | 3303447 Tom Green Swedish
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I'm glad to hear about all this drone bullshit.  Who gives a fuck.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:52 | 3303468 newengland
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People voted for it, and some will squeal like stuffed pigs when it comes to their neighborhood.

At least, they got the chance to vote and live more peacefully (until soon)than most of the world which accepts its totalitarian slavery, apart from the occasional protest which gets them shot and shut up.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:11 | 3303721 Alpha Monkey
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Don't worry, all they have to do is move away from the poor brown people to be free and clear of drone bombings.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:59 | 3303492 flyonmywall
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Heinrich Himmler ? Himmler ? Is that you?

 

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:29 | 3303918 Kirk2NCC1701
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Basil Fawlty!  I told you not to mention the war!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:00 | 3303497 newengland
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O'bomba passed the NDAA at around midnight New Year 2012.

He has droned on ever since.

Repugnants did nothing to repeal the hateful NDAA.

Most of the rest of the world is under the jackboot of socialism, communism, zionism, the Crown and Vatican.

This Republic of the USA requires genuine patriots, not whiners. Prepare to defend yourself. Buy gold, silver, land and stay close to genuine community.

House slave Holder and O'bomba are 'useful idiots', and 'educated fools' (Lenin).

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:03 | 3303508 GMadScientist
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As opposed to useless idiots and uneducated fools like you.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:05 | 3303512 newengland
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So says the mad scientist. More on ...

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:00 | 3303503 PAWNMAN
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Waterboard a terrorist? No can do. Drone an American citizen without a trial? Yes we can!!!!

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