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Dear American: It's An "Extraordinary Circumstance" And This Drone's Coming For You
In response to Rand Paul's letter asking whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial," we now have an answer. Attorney General Holder responds, in a word "Yes." Of course, it is caveated with 'extraordinary circumstances' and 'necessity' but as Mike Krieger so subtly summarizes: "the military can assassinate U.S. citizens on U.S. soil." As NBC reports, the letter from Holder surfaced just as the Senate Intelligence Committee was voting 12-3 to approve White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan to be CIA director. The vote came after the White House agreed to share additional classified memos on targeted drone strikes against U.S. citizens overseas. As Rand Paul commented, "this is more than frightening... it is an affront to the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans."
Full Holder Letter:
Dear Senator Paul,
On February 20, 2013, you write to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."
As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and have no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individual have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.
The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001.
Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority.
Sincerely,
Eric Holder,
Attorney General
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I'd love to see you being waterboarded.
What is this pollution
To Article One of the US Constitution?
Guilty without trial
Is unAmerican and vial
For what possible purpose
Do we surrender Habeas Corpus?
From colonial time wisdom
A cornerstone of the American system
With exception for rebellion or invasion
Which I see none
Yet, how ironic that in Boston today
The Tea Party could never be done.
What is the line between rebellion and anti big government speech?
I don't know but it's a thin line to breach
So you better beware
Now with drones in the air
If you step out of line you can be killed dead on Main street
like it so much , i am stealing it and passing it off as my own
unAmerican and vile.
Good catch! Thank you very much! So much for my career as a contemporary poet.
What is this pollution
To Article One of the Constitution?
Guilty without trial
Is un-American and vile
For what possible purpose
Do we surrender Habeas Corpus?
From colonial time wisdom
A cornerstone of the American system
The principle of due process
Was herein granted
And shall not be suspended or supplanted
With the exception
Of rebellion or invasion
Yet, how ironic
That today in Boston
The liberties we won
Are being undone
Rebellion and anti-government speech?
What is the line
That separates each?
I don’t know
But it’s a thin line to breach
So you better beware
Now with drones in the air
If you step over the line
You can be killed
Dead on Main street
Sound like Rage Against The Machine lyrics. That's a compliment, btw.
what is this confusion
to article 2 of constitution's powers?
What if you say I don't agree :
Do you get enforced furlough at Gitmo?
Do you end up as agri debris?
Fodder for the cows and horses?
recycled mash fertiliser for GMO progress?
I prefer being wrapped up in naked flesh
by angry women of FEMEN breasts.
Poet of last resort...
and so... it begins? it takes [~] twenty years to implement a clandestine program... clandestine with conspiracy fingerprints no where to be found, except in the deepest dark-hearts of government!? we have approximately eight years at most, before amerikana becomes unrecognizable to a thirty something or older citizenry?
9-11 was indeed preventable, but?
as i write russia and china will be child's play when regarding human rights that will befall amerikana. it has begun, period!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tGiln9OGLI
and,... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8StG4fFWHqg
jmo
This must fall into the "Change" category.........
What a peach Obama turned out to be.....
Disgusting
Grope and Chains.
"doing the constitutional limbo" how Low can we go?
This must have been what Nazi Germany was like right before the war, when Hitler & the mob were getting all their ducks in a row. They changed the laws little by little. No Internet then, but it must have been like those visiting ZH or Veterans Today, only underground. Small groups seeing the big picture but with little power to stop it. I think that's about where we're at. Much evil afoot. And some are saying (for real) that they've detected a "ripple" in "the force". Something left our universe, or just arrived: http://halfpasthuman.com/clifswujo.html
stop the bull shit about nazis already.
It is nothing like nazi Germany.
Germany is still running on the infrastructure and technical advances created by nazis.
Nazis brought to Germans zero unemployment, zero corruption zero crime, zero debt, booming economy - strongest Germany ever had, autobahn and vw.
How is that like this shithole?
And where did the Nazi's get the money? Western banksters and Roth-schild banksters.
There are rumors that Adolf Hitler's father Alois (?) was an illegit son of a Roth-schild and a servant girl.
It's much more than a rumor. She was thrown out after she disclosed that she was pregnant. The rest is... history. The first place that Hilter invaded ('annexed') was Austria. You can be sure that that particular family branch was eliminated from the genetic tree in due course.
no, they were exporting human skin lamp shades to amerika.
like most of amerikans you have a mess in you head.
on one side you hate Roth-schild banksters, you all for "end the fed" and "congress should issue true debt free money" and on anther Hitler needed Roth-schild banksters.
So make up you mind.
Why t.f. would Hitler need jew debt money when his government could have it's own money as much as it needed?
Isn't that what Lincoln did? And, somewhat, Roosevelt?
Stop repeating jew lies.
Hitler stopped paying WWI reparation to the banksters, why the fuck would he take money from them?
And if he did - he definitely put it to good use.
why this kenian monkey boy doesn't take money from Roth-schild banksters and builds something good?
No he will tax the shit out of you to give it to the Roth-schild banksters.
Edwin Black : http://www.transferagreement.com/index.php?page=10197
(to end boycott)
The Transfer Agreement
http://www.conflicts.rem33.com/images/ISRAEL%20PALES/ZIONIST-NAZI%20COOP.html
At the Eighteenth World Zionist Congress, held in August of 1933, a surprised Zionist membership was asked to vote on and pass the Transfer Agreement, and work to establish a state of Israel in Palestine, which would adopt the Zionist symbol as its new flag. With the Agency’s success with the Agreement, all efforts would now be directed at getting German Jews to immigrate to Palestine and to develop Israel. However, the majority of German Jews were anti-Zionist, had no interest in Palestine, and wanted to fight for their rights in Germany. But the Transfer Agreement was not a rescue or relief project for the Jews in Germany, and the Zionists had little concern for the agreement’s impact on the Jews there. The Zionist leaders were unwilling to protect Jewish rights in Europe just at the time when that course of action was most needed. They wanted money and labour to build up Palestine, and their main concern was for the German Jews who did want to emigrate there.44
In order to boost immigration, new strategies were needed. Chaim Weizmann started a new organization, the Central Bureau for the Settlement of German Jews. This organization, which worked out of London, coordinated efforts between Palestine and the German government, and made all life and death rescue decisions for the following fifteen years. Palestine needed young, strong, healthy workers. This need became a primary factor in determining which Jews were accepted, and which were rejected as settlers in Palestine.45 In her book, Eichmann in Jerusalem, Hannah Arendt verified the intimate connection between the Nazis and the Zionist leaders, who were the only Jews in the early months of the Hitler regime to associate with the German authorities and who used their position to discredit anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews. According to Arendt, the German Zionists urged the adoption of the slogan, “Wear the yellow star with pride” to end Jewish assimilation and to encourage the Nazis to send the Jews to Palestine.46
And although at that time many countries were willing to take Jewish refugees, Zionist propaganda successfully convinced many German and European Jews that there were no other places to go Countries as disparate as Australia, Crimea, Ukraine, and Manchuria, as well as South American and African countries offered to accept refugees. The World Zionist Organization rejected them all. The Zionist leadership even fought for German regulations to prevent German Jews from saving their wealth in any other way than through investing in Palestine. As the amounts of transferred funds grew, it was not long before what began as a “noble” ideal of building Palestine into a Jewish homeland disintegrated into a situation of commercial and business opportunities, with a rush of entrepreneurs anxious to control the capital of captive German Jews. All the while, Hitler was growing stronger and Nazi evil was spreading.46
The alliance with Germany, based on trade, shifted Zionist priorities from a people caught in a crisis to money caught in a crisis. The Zionists knew that the success of the Agreement was dependent upon the survival of the Nazi economy. The economy needed to be stabilized and safeguarded, because if the Nazis fell, the Zionists would be ruined. As well as investing in Palestine, the Zionists invested the transferred funds in major German companies and in enterprises like the railways. And Zionist leaders in London, New York and Germany worked very hard to prevent the economic boycott from happening. Cohen devised a system of safeguarding, in his bank accounts, money belonging to Jews who wanted to emigrate later on, and he used the money to break boycott support in other areas.
Yeah - for some "unfathomable" reason, lots of people here confuse BOLSHEVISM with Nazism
The nazi's also brought in the era of lying your ass off. Zero, unemployed?...zero debt?...r u serious?
Sorry-double post
No knock warrants, N.D.A.A., bailouts, Corzine free, FED QE to banks while bankrupting Seniors, 4th amendment dead, 2nd amandment on the ropes, 1st amendment being pruned.
If it isn't clear to you tha the U.S.A. has become a crony capitalist police state using socialism to keep the underclass contained while enslaving all but the 1% you are delusional by choice or by stupidity.
No truer words.....
It's pretty disgusting what this country has turned into....I'm fucking ready
A fucking men! The only good politician/banker is a dead politician/banker (except Ron Paul).
Bullish for vortex cannons?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgJMSlNMijM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
"necessary & appropriate"
fair enough.
skin for skin; as I always say.
i luv loose language from my enemy; makes me feel honorable no mattah what.
here i come, bitchez...commin to git ya!
no mattah what,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYXlwu_Ecoc (Janus)
Notice how your Government is stealing taxpayers monies to Defend/Arm itself? Why would a Government go to such lengths? LOL
Lastly, developing new conspiracy towards Chaos Theory, by controlling the masses into fear is not working. The mathematical success ratio doesn’t compute a net positive return. ;)
The minute everybody quits paying taxes
It all changes....think about the power we actually have.
Actually, the chaos theory presentation [repeat] is to remind you that an insolvent Government cannot protect you on factors outside mother earth. Any Government can tax the fuck out of you, then beeline underground. We know the hiding surroundings..
The helical model -our Galaxy is a vortex
When Doom never materializes, they will become trapped by their very own lies.. Watch it unfold in real time.
That's an interesting angle.
I think we're headed into a scenario where taxes become so overwhelming that even the most obedient question them. en masse
I don't think we need to over intellectualize the next step
At some point people simply say no more
Ain't this fair enough? The US already claimed the power to kill people on the rest of the world without any judicial oversight. It's only fair that they'd do the same to their own.
Well what do you expect when you have a bunch of nigger monkeys running the government?
White people run the government. Even white people know that.
Levantines are white now, are they?
There is an old saying, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
Many people including the past and present administrations don't get that.
They will get it, sooner or later.
The entire world should now emulate USSA.
I guess this kinda nullifies the NDAA?
I read a lot of comments here and some seem, at least with a keyboard, ready to fight for the Constitution and regain freedom and rights.
Easiest way to control them is to all quit work, go on assistance and bankrupt them. But no one would want to sacrifice employment and give up what credit can offer, can they? If that is true, far less would actually fight for what the country is founded upon.
Complecency is natural. We have it hard wired in our brains. To attempt change is generaly risky and will only be carried out when the person is really well convinced of this action (or scared, or thrown off balance so it is not really a change anymore - as the foundation is gone anyway).
Rulers would need to really start killing off their civilians enemies (well, right now they demonstrated that they legaly can) or food would need to be really scarce for sizeable amount of people to actually fight them. Even by sacrificing liveliehood not risking death. Right now in each million you get 1 guy like Ervin Schiff that would just spend his old days in prison for his principles alone, a few houndreds that do agorist stuff - moving some activity to grey area, barter, hedging for collapse and maybe a few thousands that will actively voice their opinions but still play the game. With this circumstances these are the outcomes, just biology at play. Though the circumstances change year by year and more active forms of opposition grow. It is not the point where large amounts of productive people would just no longer have it (so no need to force them to work - yet), but those of them that look around nervously now and talk about it - will be the first to shrug when burden grows to heavy.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Attorney General Holder stated in a letter to Sen. Paul dated March 4, 2013: “It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States."
No fucking way. Military inside the US?
Holder just used the Constitution for asswipe in public.
With the exception of maybe 3-4 senators, the GOP might as well go home! Worthless SOBs.... I suspect he will be confirmed.
The grandaughter asked a funny question, out of nowhere, like kids do, she said,"If we get an idea can we vote on it right away?"
She was randomly asking cuz of her social studies class from earlier in the week.
So it does go to show our education system is working...after all!
Anyway, She asked why we don"t have competing ways to pay for things but we can have 5 different choices to pick to buy fast food! LoL! It's funny how kids think!
When I hear these scum bag MSM "journalists" condemning people like Syria's Assad and others, I want to just toss up my last meal.
Once you are on board with Barack and Holder, the only question is: What is the correct and proper number of my fellow citizens to assasinate?
Remember that movie about 15-20 years ago? Bruce Willis plays the US Military General gone amuck, wanting to kill thousands of Americans. Remember how stupid and cartoonish it appeared at the time?
Welcome to Bruce Willis' world.
ever since Patton said that was the way to treat the enemy; that has become the mantra of MIC; à la Curtis B Lemay; as in Seven days in May and before that, firebombing Tokyo/Yokohama. For that see : 'the fog of war' and McNamara's testimony.
The Fog of War - film 2003 - AlloCiné
American military mindset changed since 1949 and "we lost china" spiel that started the CIA build up under Truman; in context of Berlin air lift and Fulton Iron Curtain speech by WC. Ike did NOTHING to stop it later on and let Nixon / Dulles Bros rule the roost; except make his ominous speech about MIC on "good bye n good luck" day.
War lords and no honour, just greed and knee jerk hubris; the Agamemnon strain.
And, just ask yourselves who built up the third world war lords of 60/70s in the great arms bazar race of cold war; the Idi AMins, the Soehartos, the Assads, the Saddams, the Shah, the Paki generals, the Pinochets and Argentians n Brazilians, the Israelis, the Q-daffys, Nam War etc; HAVING KNOCKED OFF ALL THE GOOD GUYS IN THIRD WORLD IN THE PREVIOUS CYCLE; the Sukarnos, the Nassers, the Mossadeghs, all elected, some pinkos but PATRIOTS, but not rabid warmongers like those who followed, the army generals n protofascists.
WHen you destroy third world infant democracy you reap what you sow. The Soviets did it in Afghan n NAm/Angola/Cuba; the USA in rest of world.
Thank you very much you MIC arm merchants; now turned into Oil empires and financial cabals; all groveling like alligators in stinking, stewing everglades rabid with fiat debt pestilence. Good luck with that and post combat stress trauma.
Before everyone instinctively jumps down my throat, consider this:
Holder is both a lawyer + politician. As such, he is bound to leave wiggle room in his response. Classic stuff: First the typical qualifiers denouncing drone use, then floating some vague, nebulous hypothetical scenario for such use. I'd expect no less from him. And his boss.
The only real scenario that I see as legitimate, and he could and should have flagged, is in the event of a foreign invasion. But even then, the path of escalating response is first via LEA's and Border Security, then the National Guard. Only under their auspices could they use drones, if, say, some USC's (of "recent foreign ancestry") were participating in the invasion or insurrection.
But to go from drone use by the LEA's to National Guard, and then kill-escalation to the regular military is one wild-ass Constitutional ride.
And yes, you bet your Constitutional ass(ets) that they'll revoke the USC (by the AG@DOJ) just before the "delete" order is issued by EO. Like in a scene of "24".
Regardless of legal intricacies I would expect in a "free" country that a person to be killed by the government would first have to be classified as an enemy combatant. "Your" citizen that joins let's say Russians in their war or covert ops against USA is an enemy. After you can prove it - you can "fight him". If you can't prove it - than are you planning to start killing on a hunch?
The case with 911 - military jet fighter demands that pilot of the aircraft changed his course. Demands again. Fires some rounds above the plane as a warning. Than it fires at it. It's not even to eliminate enemy personell aboard, but to prevent collision... so what does it have to do with "droning USC on US soil"? They leave all the wiggle room they need. When it reall goes down - executive power can write law with executive orders and decide life and death with this.
BTW Hypotethical scenario:
Some kind of moderate gun control law is unveiled. It is one that seems very good by lefties, but really pissess righties off. Nothing completely out of place, but not an empty piece of paper. It gets voted in, and after a two months a well armed domestic terrorist group carries out a hienous attack. They take control of some hotel, theater or large school with hundrers of people. They demand stepping down of Obama and removal of gun control laws. Eventually they are stormed by special forces. About 200 people die and all 20 of the attackers. It is later found out that they all had "assault rifles" and extensive militia-type training. After that a REAL gun control law is introduced. It would be extremely hard to disarm millions. Especially in rural areas where you'd need some sizeable force to come knocking. Two cops going there alone would just be easy pickings. Wouldn't it be great to have in that situation legal ways of gathering extensive information, killing people right off without pesky trials and problems and a device like a drone to do the scouting, the terrorizing and the killing?
don't drone me dude
i'm a consumer...
To Revamp the image due to the latest watering down of the alcohol, Will Budweiser now use the slogan 'This Drone's for You!'?
March 6, 2013
The FAA has said that they are investigating a pilot's claim that he saw a drone flying over Brooklyn in New York. The pilot claims to have seen the drone while on final approach to John F Kennedy Airport. Over the radio, he can be heard saying, "We saw a drone, a drone aircraft."
Is it true that police fired 100k rounds in final showdown with Droner .... eh, Dorner ?
Fuck'em all.
Drones will rain fines on cars long before missiles. Less controversial and more lucrative for bankrupt states!
Everybodies gettin' their tits in a wringer over drones...
This asshat has got the football that can incinerate millions who will immediatly return missles that will do the same.
I can't see much difference between getting shot by some steroid addled hyperventilating 'peace officer' at a traffic stop and getting whacked by a drone.
Just another tool in the police state toolkit.
"All in all, it's just another brick in the wall."
Might as well sit back and enjoy the music. You paid for it.
Cops love steroids... but that is another story for another day. You reinforce a point I keep making... and that's whether its a pistol, a nuke, or a drone... they can easily be turned against our dear leaders by patriots in and around the military when "extraordinary circumstances" arise.
Pistol, nuke, drone, or fighter-bomber... all weapons, large and small, state owned or privately owned, are LIABILITIES more than they are assets to those in power.