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Greek Finance Ministry To "Troll" Through All Depositor Accounts In Hunt For Suspected Tax Evaders
As Greece's painfully desperate fight to collect tax revenue, any tax revenue, using traditional methods meets failure after grotesque failure, driven by such unconventional stumbling blocks as running out of ink with which to print tax forms, striking tax collectors, and repossessed (or stolen) tax department computer equipment, the necessity to prove to Europe that Greece is doing something to fill the income side of its reformist ledger has forced it to turn to the glaringly illegal. As Greek Reporter notes, "Greece’s General Secretariat for Information Systems has completed an application that will allow the state’s monitoring and collection mechanism to access the country’s banking system via an online connection and let the government have access to depositor bank accounts. The application, which will let the Finance Ministry troll through the accounts of all depositors suspected of tax evasion means online inspectors can scour through records of deposits, loans, credit card use and other data without permission from the account holder."
What is troubling is that while this happens in the US on a daily basis, at least the NSA has to dig through data illegally, and can't use what it finds against citizens in court.
In Greece, however, any trace of personal privacy in the insolvent state is now gone, and in a way that is made very public and clear to all citizens. The result will be an even greater hit to all forms of electronic spending (remember that all bulk cash transactions are prohibited), and a collapse in all economic transactions, leading to an even more acute depression, and an even greater need to yet another "bailout" from Europe (this one will be the last surely, as it will be after this it will be different).
From Greek Reporter:
Until now, the law did not allow even investigators to check bank records, but Greece is under intense pressure from international lenders putting up $325 billion in two bailouts to find tax cheats and up tax revenues.
The system is ready and some virtual checks on accounts have already been conducted successfully, also helping with the training of the employees who will handle and store all bank data in the ministry’s server, the newspaper Kathimerini reported.
The bill that will allow monitoring mechanisms, police and anti-money-laundering authorities to use the data will be tabled in Parliament next month and the System of Bank Account Registers will be in full operation as of September.
The aim is to reduce the time needed to investigate significant cases with a direct benefit for the state budget and public coffers, officials said. Those using the system will be able to search through accounts and loan transactions simply using the tax registration number of the person being investigated.
All this, of course, is coming to America soon.
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Here's another way to identify Greek tax evaders:
1. Open MinFin office window;
2. Throw something;
3. Whomever it hits is your tax evader!
This isn't rocket science, folks -- it's easier to look for the people paying their taxes!
Ship them our Domestic Drone program for enforcement.....a few hellfinders into the next mob should get some good compliance from the peeps............
Never pay income tax.
Is this the same finance ministry that is in complete shambles?
You might be surprised, but following the life sentence of the mayor of Salonica and the preliminary 8 years in jail for the former Minister of Defence, most people are very much in agreement with this form of privacy invasion, in the (false) hope that illegally gotten money can be recovered and that said money should be enough to cover our ever expanding deficit and the unfunded liabilities (which BTW nobody mentions in Greece).
My estimations are that the benefit of this whole effort, even if it runs over the next 4-5 years will be just enough to cover 1-2 months of pensions. With the added side-effect of another individual right lost.
However, I bet that once the going gets tough (meaning the law starting to touch the "untouchables"), the Constitutional Court (hail democracy and independent justice !!!) will strike a deal and rule it out.
Also, mind you, this is happening during the visit of the Troika inspectors, when Greece is supposed to paint a nice picture of improvement. They might as well forget about it when the Troikans leave. As malikai said above, it is such a big mess, that even if they have the information in an Excel or database, they will take at least a few months to decide who should open it and for what reason. Same thing happened with the infamous "Lagarde list" of bank transfers abroad, which was lurking in the office of the head of the Special Forces of Economic Crimes (sort of like the IRS A-team for you Americans) for 2 years. And to add insult to injury, that special man publicly admitted that he did not know how to operate a computer, and therefore did not do what he should when he received the USB stick with that list.
definition of "tax evader": any non oligarch citizen with any money in their account.
It's all fraud people.
Debt Money Tyranny
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?dn=y
Eisenhower didn't say the "power of money" was to be "gravely regarded" for no reason, people.
They create artifical poverty and that leads to violence. They criminalize drugs and run the drug trade and that leads to violence. A side effect of their Big Pharma mind numbing drugs is suicide, murder and mass murder.
They create the poverty, drug addiction, depression and desire to mass murder and then they blame YOU and demand YOU turn in your guns TO THEM - THE ORIGINATOR OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROBLEMS!
If you still have money in Greek banks you deserve to have it confiscated. All your money should be in gold , silver, or mountain goats ( I hear they're tasty.).
i'll have some irish slave girls, too.
What is the difference in paying the tax now or leaving the money in Greek bank accounts and have Drachmes in a few months?
in the meanwhile...
dutch article:
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/960/Buitenland/article/detail/1590771/2013/03/05/Emir-van-Qatar-koopt-voor-prikje-zes-Griekse-eilanden.dhtml
QUATAR PRINCE BUYS 6 GREEK ISLANDS FOR ONLY 8,5 MILLION EURO!!!
GREEK GARAGE SALE!!!
the slime of the earth will steal everything the thiefs of the Greek government sell to them... how sad...
and he'll build luxery palaces on them exclusive for his 24 kids...
Let him try to keep them when the inevitable ocurrs.
the Spartans died out a long time ago and are replaced by....
from this http://www.mountolympusfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/300-movie-wallpapers-12.jpg
to that: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01531/fat_man_1531274a.jpg
Greek bitcoin users not affected.
capital controls bitchez-followed by all-digital (traceable,immediately taxable) currency. the thing about Greece is they don't want to pay taxes yet they also want to be socialist pigs and get the govt to pay for everything. yet the krauts keep picking up the tab as the enabler in this relationship.
and the selectivity of the trolling is as big an issue as the others sxpressed here.
Enemies get audited. Clinton showed us how.
They are at 120% debt they're skimming records for cents on the EU.
That's what desperate looks like and it's coming to a gubmint near you.
Hense all the new IRS agents hired last year.
IL and CA make Greece look like pikers.
Those 18k agents are supposed to enforce Obamacare, which forces doctors to ask your kids about guns, which will lower the cost of health care for all Americans.
It's probably not even a cost-effective operation to do this. I wouldn't want to be a life insurer covering the policies of the people doing this.
The world's troubles revolve around "intense pressure from international lenders".
Fuck those assholes!
Default!
*edit (I didn't mean fuck those assholes in the literal sense Greek people)
They already do this in Amerika
The same thing happened all over the place (think Argentina). That's why rich person utilized safe deposit boxes. Government officials also use this same instruments, which makes their audit problematic.
seems the .govs take on more and more debt, at the urging of lenders no less, think GS and JPM EU Banks..and now it is up to the man in the street to pay it off, when they had NO SAY in any debt signed for by bankster puppet pols or the terms of the loans..seem justice is after all just a word.
They all have a say because they could vote in people that don't make ridiculous endless unsustainable impossible promises of stuff for everyone; a pig in each pen, free health care, jobs for all, a roof over your head, great schools for your kids, the rich will pay, debt and deficits don't matter (unless it is private personal debt then it does and you must pay the bankersters with blood for your unborn child's heart).
People want to be lied to. They crave it. It adds drama to their lives. It is the old normal and they don't want it to change. Their whole lives are based on lies, their parents lied to them, their friends, their lovers, the politicians, the news, advertising/tv/movies/magazines.
Truth is boring. Lies are so much more entertaining and if you can't be entertained while the world crumbles around you what else is there?
So... if you sell your silver and gold on Ebay, THAT REVENUE IS SUSPECT!!! DON'T SELL IT!!
HE WHO RUNS TO THE BANK LAST... is fucked.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO CLOSE YOUR ACCOUNTS WHENEVER YOU HEAR OF BANKRUNS! THEY HAPPEN FOR A REASON!
GET YOUR FUCKING MONEY OUT SO THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO CHECK!!
"If you see a line in front of your bank, get in it."
... and start a rumor of free beer around the corner
no money n the fucking banks...
nothing to see and seize...
what the fuck is up with the fucking Greek citizenry?
how much more r they willing to endure at the hands of their banker overlords???
dont you guys have any fucking heart at all?????
fucking pathetic..........
which banker overlords? those of GS who helped the Greek government to hide debt thanks to accounting tricks and derivatives? or those who used the CDSs on Greek Debt issued by Greek Banks to extract their pound of flesh out of the mess? or those who increased the mess by betting on it? or those who where very pissed off that the whole thing did not break the way they planned/expected/wanted?
or do you mean the current holders of this debt?
What a complete and absolute atrocity. The corruption damn near renders me speechless. And to think, the fuckers here on this side of the pond are trying to disarm us...........Simply brilliant.
Even after nearly 2 years of learning/studying on ZH from all the brilliant minds who contribute, there are days when I read certain articles/post, I physically feel sick still from all the BS taking place world wide in the finacial/political systems.
I think I'm going to go saddle a horse and check some cattle, just to get some fresh air.
Oh and..... FUCK YOU KRUGMAN!!!!
I sense another outflow for deposits at Geek banks?
pods
Greece’s lenders offered the country a “velvet exit” from the euro in 2011, PASOK leader Evangelos Venizelos claimed during a speech at PASOK’s congress in Athens Friday as he proposed that the Socialists combine forces with coalition partner Democratic Left at the next general elections.
http://homment.com/dL56ZrP6iJ
NEXT UP:
EXTRA TAXES ON THE INCOME FROM THE LAST 30 YEARS!!
"Coming to your country soon" (add whatever country you are in).
It's nice to see what is coming here via the greek playbook......It's like a debt appetizer....
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/03/04/terence-corcoran-race-to-the-bottom-proves-its-a-great-time-to-be-in-debt/
Terence Corcoran: ‘Race to the bottom’ proves it’s a great time to be in debtwe going to be in the same boat soon.
Wasted Effort. The few or the many. To benefit the many, take out a couple of tax evaders and hang them in the public square. 5 or 10 should do. The many will get the point. The few were expendable - they were Greek - the most dishonest people on earth. The list of their lies, deceptions, and broken promises - have they fired any governemnt workers yet? NOPE! - so only the strongest possible messages may work. Hey - do you really think putting zillionaire politicians in jail will do any good. NOPE. They will soon be released - this is Greece - Get it!
Did they get this idea from The Dictator? Greece fails to collect taxes, has only one main industry (travel) and has a bloated, over-promised welfare state. Like any good old socialist central planning mirage: garbage in=garbage out.
Good point. They should build some pyramids as Egypt is unstable these days. Pent up tourism demand is there for the taking and building them would be very stimulative. Or else they could threaten the Zionist entity with extinction so as to get foreign aid, cash and military gear.
It doesn't matter whether they have money in the accounts or not. The Ministry is looking at the account history and spending patterns.
If you fit the Profile, you will be put on the List. The Ministry doesn't care whether it gets assets, most of those people will be bankrupted by demand for back taxes, it just needs a place to put blame. Creditors aren't getting their money back, just a pound a flesh.
The purpose of the List is to decide whose flesh it shall be.
I interpret that the Greek agency got the idea and material and motivational support from entities outside the Greek Sovereign state. The rest of the European banking demographic should see a precedent for themselves here.
Yet one more of the insidious means by which Greece is the Petri dish for all of Europe's financial ills. Inoculate the nutrient information medium with a bankster virus, and then watch and see how it grows.
Goldman Sachs and the politicians stole all of the Greeks money. And if they didn't they should go after them anyhow.
"What is troubling is that while this happens in the US on a daily basis, at least the NSA has to dig through data illegally, and can't use what it finds against citizens in court."
You mean the asshat politicians and the lobbyist scum haven't been able to make this "legal"? How can that be?
Who in their right mind would put money in these banks?!?!?!?!?!
Troika just started the next phase of the bank runs....
Next will be "freezing" of suspected accounts....
--------------- The Average Greek is not that stupid ---------------
The sixteenth amendment doesn't authorize the taxation of "whatever source" but the "income, from whatever source derived." The use of the word "income" in that amendment is what prevents the Congress from defining income because there is no legislative enabling clause.
That would seem to mean that the congress also would be precluded from defining "whatever source." Since the net effect of the sixteenth amendment is solely to remove the "income" tax from the area of direct taxation, the principle on which the Pollock case was decided, thus removing the need for apportionment among the several states, that leaves the income tax in the area of excise taxes
This, then, leaves the congress in the position of being able to tax only that which was taxable prior to the passage of the sixteenth amendment, Duties, Imposts and Excises.
"... [the 16th Amendment] conferred no new power of taxation... [and]... prohibited the ... power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the be ginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged...".
-United States Supreme Court in Stanton v. Baltic Mining (1916)
FACT: In briefs and argument before the Supreme Court in the case of Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad, both Brushaber and the Government claimed that the 16th Amendment provided for a direct tax exempted from the Constitutional apportionment rule. The High Court called this claim an "erroneous assumption...wholly without foundation."
FACT; Just weeks after the Brushaber Case was decided, Mr. Stanton, in the case of Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co. again claimed (35 times) that the 16th Amendment created a new class of constitutional tax, that being a direct tax exempted from the apportionment rule. The High Court said in this case that the 16th Amendment created "no new tax
FACT: In the Stanton and Brushaber Cases, the Supreme Court ruled correctly by excluding direct taxes from the 16th Amendment. The intent of the American People and that of Congress was never to directly tax the American People, but only to tax income severed from accumulated wealth
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Studies on lower order species such as rats show that when scientists reduced the amount of resources in controlled environments they become viscious and turn on each other. Looks like its applicable to higher order species also. Here we go.