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Today's Other All Time High: Smith And Wesson Gun Sales

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As the investing world celebrates the all time nominal high of an archaically-weighted index of an ever-changing basket of stocks, there is another - this time unprintable asset - that appears in all-time high demand - firearms. Smith & Wesson just released earnings not only with record high revenues but increasing their outlook dramatically for fiscal year 2013. The surge in 'background checks' and sales since the election (and furthermore since the Tragedy in Newtown) continues (+29% YoY) and as SHWC notes "The tragedy in Newtown has understandably inspired an important national discussion about how to cope with violence in our communities - we possess a broad range of products and a highly flexible manufacturing operation. Taken together, these allow us to be highly responsive should the market and/or legislative developments drive a change in sales mix."


SWHC Actual and Estimated Sales...


Background checks have surged...


and sales have followed for hand-guns and long-guns...


Current Environment

The tragedy in Newtown has understandably inspired an important national discussion about how to cope with violence in our communities


The outcome of this discussion has yet to be determined - we will not speculate at this time


We are participating in the discussion, along with the majority of our industry, through our representatives at the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF)


  • We strongly support the U.S. Constitution and the Second Amendment
  • We support a comprehensive approach to preventing violence in our communities through only those efforts that we believe will make a difference


We will continue to monitor closely the political and legislative landscape


Smith & Wesson is a 160-year-old American company that has successfully thrived in a heavily regulated environment by complying with federal, state, and local laws


We possess a broad range of products and a highly flexible manufacturing operation. Taken together, these allow us to be highly responsive should the market and/or legislative developments drive a change in sales mix

Via SWHC Earnings PR:

The company expects net sales from continuing operations for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2013 to be between $165.0 million and $170.0 million, which would represent year-over-year growth from continuing operations of 29.0% at the midpoint.


The company anticipates GAAP earnings per diluted share from continuing operations of between $0.38 and $0.40 for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2013. The company is raising its full year fiscal 2013 financial guidance.


The company currently anticipates net sales from continuing operations for fiscal 2013 of between $575.0 million and $580.0 million, which would represent year-over-year growth from continuing operations of approximately 40.0% at the midpoint.


The company anticipates fiscal 2013 GAAP earnings per diluted share from continuing operations of between $1.17 and $1.19, income from continuing operations of between $78.0 million and $79.5 million, and non-GAAP Adjusted EBITDAS from continuing operations of between $148.4 million and $150.7 million.

Full Presentation:

Swhc Mar 2013 Ir Pres-1 by


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Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:34 | 3302978 traderjoe
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Molon Labe, bitchez.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:40 | 3302994 a growing concern
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Lead, the other precious metal.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:47 | 3303007 Zap Powerz
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DHS buys up over a BILLION rounds of HP bullets. Local LE buying up armored trucks.  American citizens buying up all the ammo and guns they can find.

If you cant see the writing on the wall here, youre pretty fucking stupid.

War's a comin. Civil war that is.  Sho nuf.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:50 | 3303016 a growing concern
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Ain't nothing civil about war.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:59 | 3303054 The Shootist
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Privately owned Savage, largest long gun maker, breaking records.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:13 | 3303340 WayBehind
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Finally some good newz! Too bad they are maxed out and it is hard to get any S&W guns otherwise the sales wouldbe waaaaaay higher. Molon Labe!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:57 | 3303041 A Lunatic
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I bet you couldn't see this coming......

HOLDER: Drone strike on US soil legal...

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:01 | 3303070 Zap Powerz
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I saw that.  It should come as no surprise to anyone here.  Fucking totalitarian motherfucker.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:05 | 3303084 A Lunatic
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I don't have words for how pissed I am that these things are being done in broad daylight. I am so fucking sad and angry........

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:08 | 3303094 Zap Powerz
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Dont get pissed.  Get ready.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:21 | 3303140 disabledvet
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And have fun while you're doing it!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:57 | 3303285 Nimby
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Just remember:  your local gun club IS the militia!  And so are you!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 09:49 | 3304392 Anti Psychotic
Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:22 | 3303143 Shell Game
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Right there with you brother...

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:32 | 3303192 Bad Attitude
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"...these things are being done in broad daylight."

It's called hubris. Dear Leader's regime is so sure of themselves, with a sycophant media backing them, that they no longer feel the need to hide their activities. People concerned about domestic drones, profligate federal spending, Fast and Furious, and Benghazi are dismissed as "right wing crazies."

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:06 | 3303087 e_goldstein
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So sayeth the Criminal General.


Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:51 | 3303471 El Hosel
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 Legal? WTF, I don't legal applys to "them" like it does to us.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 03:29 | 3303980 All Risk No Reward
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Hitler said it was legal to murder Jews, political opposition, Gypsies, the disabled and anyone else he wanted to murder.

So what?

Criminals are always goign to justify their crimes.

Holder is a criminal who works for the Debt Money Tyrants and he's a wicked, wicked man who hates all that America should stand for except for people like him.

His bosses don't want the mechanics of their debt money fraud making it out in the public domain, though.

The hard work is done - copy and paste the link and make it go viral. 

Make an oligarch shed a tear that isn't in laughter at the masses.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:19 | 3303093 Nadaclue
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Yup, it's gonna go down. I expect obummer's team has been pushing this for some time. The civil war meme, I mean. He wants it to happen so he can use the Iron Fist to put things down, for the public good, of course. Then he can run his game.

I'm quite sure I'm on many lists, what's another one. lol

Meh, no one lives forever.

Now, for your enjoyment, here is a 3.5 minute vid of the Dissidents probable future housing. Take a peek, or don't. Up to you.

Alarmist? Hmmmm, maybe but the truth is out there, in documentable form. Xfiles style bub.

One can ignore reality, but not the effects/affects of reality...

Aaaaand, the Army document in question. Department of Defense document entitled "INTERNMENT AND RESETTLEMENT OPERATIONS"

FM 3-39.40

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 02:01 | 3303879 The Heart
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Upon capture, Soldiers must process detainees using the “search, silence, segregate, speed safeguard, and tag (5 Ss and T)” technique. This technique provides a structure to guide Soldiers in conducting detainee operations until they transfer custody of detainees to another authority or location. Complete the “5 Ss and T” technique as follows:

Search. Neutralize a detainee and confiscate weapons, personal items, and items of potential intelligence and/or evidentiary value.

Silence Prevent detainees from communicating with one another or making audible clamor such as chanting, singing, or praying. Silence uncooperative detainees by muffling them with a soft, clean cloth tied around their mouths and fastened at the backs of their heads. Do not use duct tape or other adhesives, place a cloth or either objects inside the mouth, or apply physical force to silence detainees.

Segregate. Segregate detainees according to policy and SOPs (segregation requirements differ from operation to operation). The ability to segregate detainees may be limited by the availability of manpower and resources at the POC. At a minimum, try to segregate detainees by grade, gender, age (keeping adults from juveniles and small children with mothers), and security risk. MI and military police personnel can provide additional guidance and support in determining the appropriate segregation criteria.

Speed. Quickly move detainees from the continuing risks associated with other combatants or sympathizers who may still be in the area of capture. If there are more detainees than the Soldiers can control, call for additional support, search the detainees, and hold them in place until reinforcements arrive.

Safeguard. Protect detainees and ensure the custody and integrity of all confiscated items. Soldiers must safeguard detainees from combat risk, harm caused by other detainees, and improper treatment or care. Report all injuries. Correct and report violations of U.S. military policy that occur while safeguarding detainees. Acts and/or omissions that constitute inhumane treatment are violations of the law of war and, as such, must be corrected immediately. Simply reporting violations is insufficient. If a violation is ongoing, a Soldier has an obligation to stop the violation and report it. Z

Tag. Ensure that each detainee is tagged using DD Form 2745.

Confiscated equipment, personal items, and evidence will be linked to the detainee using the DD Form 2745 number. When a DA Form 4137 is used to document confiscated items, it will be linked to the detainee by annotating the DD Form 2745 control number on the form.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:19 | 3307047 Hacked Economy
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@Nadaclue, you might be right.  Obama has almost four years left in which he's still the Commander-In-Chief, so he might be in the process of lining up his dominoes so that they'll fall within that timeframe.  If the SHTF in a truly organic way in which one event will trigger the next in a groundswell of grassroots support against the Gov't, both he and all the State governors will be able to "legally" invoke emergency powers (whether Constitutional or not).  Then it's "goodbye" liberty and "hello" roadblocks, checkpoints, martial law, curfew, and maybe even rationing (all of these have been implemented in the USA before).

Our fight for independence from Britain was only a battle of words until April 19, 1775, when the "shot heard round the world" was finally fired against British Redcoats at Lexington Green.  If a defensive shot is ever fired against an oppressive police/SWAT/paramilitary force in the near future, you can be sure that the Gov't will spin it as hard as they can (via the MSM) to make it look like the "crazy fringe extremists" are determined to cause mayhem.  That will be the most importance time in an upcoming Second Revolution...if the rest of America wakes up and resists alongside their brothers, or accepts the spin and chooses to stay out of the fight for fear of their own personal safety.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:35 | 3302982 ghengis86
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Do your part and buy a gun. Gotta keep this bitch climbing to all time highs

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:26 | 3303159 disabledvet
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Buy? Nay, veerily..PRINT a gun. "show 'em it can be done." mine says "Yes We Can" on the grip and squawks "go ahead make my day" when you put your finger on the trigger. Obviously any and all creative thoughts are welcome in this regard. One personal favorite is "you might hit copy but we hit send."

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:36 | 3302983 localsavage
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If Melby is still running it, I am sure he will find a way to fuck this up.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:43 | 3302999 otto skorzeny
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S and W sells because of the name-not necessarily the quality of product

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:47 | 3303006 Overfed
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I dunno. That M&P looks pretty good to me.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:49 | 3303013 otto skorzeny
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trust me-pay the few extra bucks and get a Glock in the same caliber-you'll thank yourself later.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:53 | 3303031 Overfed
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Nuthin' wrong with a Glock, but I'll take a 1911 any day.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:59 | 3303058 Zap Powerz
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May I suggest getting a Glock in multiple calibers?  9mm, .40 and .45 would be my recommendation.  You never know what kind of ammo youll find on the battlefield.  9mm ammo is pretty useless in a .40

That being said.  The single best weapon you can own, if you have to own only one, is Ruger 10-22.  Its quite, leathal and ammo is really cheap and you can carry a lot of it.  Try carrying 2,000 rounds of 5.56 ammo vs. 2,000 rounds of .22 ammo.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:02 | 3303072 GubbermintWorker
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And they make some really nice after market sights for it now too....

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:58 | 3303291 Socratic Dog
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Good sights, agreed.  Biut....where do you get ammo?  I looked around  for a few bricks online the other day, there's none.  Everyone is backordered.  Same for .8308.  Anyone have any ideas?

I have to say, I was a bit staggered to find ammo unobtainable.  I don't like thinking about the implications of that much.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:33 | 3306871 Hacked Economy
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Fortunately for me, I started "stacking" ammo back in 2010.  Every time I went to a store that stocked ammo, I added a couple of boxes to my shopping cart.  Now I have several Rubbermaid tubs' worth in all my necessary calibers.  But you can never truly have enough, if you want/need to train adequately at the range.

A close friend of mine told me he went to a large gun show in the MidWest and didn't see any .22 LR selling for less than $1.00 per round.  Yes, you read it right...a buck per round, and there wasn't much of it left!!  Glad I got mine long ago when it was 5 cents per round.
When I went to my local WalMart recently, I (by habit) strolled over to the ammo cabinet and saw a line of customers waiting for an employee to finish unwrapping a small pallet of freshly-received ammo.  They were ALL there in hopes of getting some .22 LR.  One man said he bought his daughter a 10/22 for Christmas but neglected to get the ammo back then as well, and he hadn't been able to take his daughter to the range to shoot her new gun yet.

About 70% of WalMart's inventory is in transit at any given time, in trucks on the highway.  If you go to and search for availability and delivery ETAs, you might get lucky and score some ammo just as it arrives at a store's dock.  One person I spoke with did this, and showed up at the store *just* as the truck was being unloaded.  He knew about the ammo's arrival before the Sporting Goods section employee did!  :)

FWIW, I've been able to buy only one small box over the past three months.  Nearly everything - even the exotic calibers - are being snapped up across the country.  Strange times...

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:52 | 3303257 nmewn
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The only one I ever really wanted and never got, well...that and the .44 carbine.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:46 | 3303450 20834A
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I've been trying to get a Takedown for months. Nobody has them, dammit. Or S&W M&P Shield, either.

Try this (beta) for tracking ammo:


Wed, 03/06/2013 - 06:20 | 3304088 Fedaykinx
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good luck finding 22LR.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:00 | 3303059 GubbermintWorker
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He's talking about the S&W AR15.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:03 | 3303077 GubbermintWorker
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T'was fortunate enought to get one just before the SHTF on gun prices, including 20 Pmags!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:48 | 3303009 ImReady
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Anything that shoots a projectile is selling these days. I have never seen so many older women(60-70yrs old) at the gun counter in my life. 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:33 | 3303194 disabledvet
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Mine shoots photons. "it hasn't technically been invented yet" so I don't deem it illegal. I've vaporized various squirels and chipmunks...unfortunately the cadmium hydroxide servo only maintains enough charge for one burst per the guy I'm renting from wants to know how I could have a $23,450 electrical bill for one month. He actually sounded kinda agitated actually...might be time to move on.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:41 | 3306899 Hacked Economy
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Besides the usual tools in my car's BOB (hatchet, folding saw, pocket knife, etc.), I also have a wrist rocket with plenty of large steel shot and an extra band.  It might not be the best or strongest weapon, but you can take down small animals with it, and make an impressive show of defense if cornered by a thug (remember David and Goliath?)

...and ya don't hafta register it...

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:51 | 3303020 zorba THE GREEK
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From an experienced gun owner, S&W revolvers are among the very best, Sig semis and Colt

ARs also rank high. But like anything else, everyone has the right to their own opinion. 

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:58 | 3303051 otto skorzeny
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my dad was in Vietnam-he told me that if the SHTF he would want an AK in his hand as it runs forever in any condition

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:02 | 3303062 Overfed
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I've had a few (before the boating accident). They still require maintenance just like anything else. Maybe just a little bit less than most. By the 80s, the AR platform was considerably better than it was in the 60s.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:03 | 3303076 otto skorzeny
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can you clean an AR with a shoe string with 3 knots at the end and some motor oil?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:10 | 3303104 GOSPLAN HERO
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Automatic transmission fluid is a good solvent for cleaning weapons.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:13 | 3303109 Overfed
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Only one knot for an AR. Smaller bore. ;-)

The main thing with an AR is to keep some oil in the bolt bore in the carrier, and keep the crud out of the locking lugs. With an AK, they need to be lubed along the bolt carrier rails and where the bolt slides over the cocked hammer. Also, when the safety is off, particle large enough to jam the trigger mechanism can enter through the slot. Every weapon has it's strengths and weeknesses.

Shooting offhand at around 50 yards, I can put 30 rounds on a basketball in 30 seconds with an AR. I couldn't do that from a rest with an AK.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:55 | 3303272 Road Hazard
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If you buy an AK47 for accuracy, you're a freaking moron. The AK platform excels at one thing and one thing only......reliability! No gun can touch it (AFAIC)! If I ever had to go to battle, I'd grab an AK47 over anything else, every time! And as for cleaning, AK's are the Glocks of rifles. Dead simple to clean and will go BANG! every time you pull the trigger.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 11:02 | 3304635 10mm
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I can hit a human size target at 100 yrds which is fine with me,i don't live in the sticks,YET.AK47.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:22 | 3303379 zorba THE GREEK
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I can put 6 rounds in a basketball at 50 yards with my S&W 44 Mag in 15 seconds, but I need

to rest the 8 3/8" barrel on something. With my Colt AR15, I can put 30 rounds in a Basketball

at 200 yards in 30 or 45 seconds and I'm no expert. The ARs are far more accurate than AKs,

and I've fired both. AR parts are interchangable and Colts are pretty tough and reliable.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 10:51 | 3304590 10mm
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Your Dad is 110% correct.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:59 | 3303056 HelluvaEngineer
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You're absolutely correct.  They build the best revolvers, and most people (to their detriment) discount the revolver.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:09 | 3303097 A Lunatic
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.44 mag ammo has been available in bulk at normal prices for the duration of this shortage...........

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:41 | 3303217 NoDebt
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That's good to know.  .45 ACP, my preferred handgun round, is ridiclous right now.  How about $48 for a box of 50 Remington FMJs?  That's quite literally TWICE the price it was before the SHTF.  You can still buy cheap, but you get cheap.  Coated rounds that fuck everything up, etc.

I've gotten a real appreciation for revolvers in the last year or so.  Before I just cosidered them "old man guns" but they do have some distinct advantages. 

I came by an old Philly Police 38 from 1904 (shoots 38 S&W round) from a family memeber recently.  I was told it hadn't been fired since 1938!  Well, it was fired in 2012 with almost no prep!  Try that with a 100+ year old automatic.  Clean and oil it, put it back in the drawer and pull it out in 2080 it'll probably still work like new.

I also found out my Mom had a gun!  She passed away not long ago and I found a S&W 22 cal snub-nose revolver in her nightstand drawer!  Really nice one, too.  Fully adjustable rear sights and that sweet S&W trigger pull, just like the big boys.  Mine mine mine!


Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:57 | 3303284 CunnyFunt
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Sounds like mama had her priorities straight.
I love the 357 due to its interchangeability with 38s. I trained my woman with 38s then when she had that down, I switched to 357s without telling her. She almost wet herself. I found her a nice old model 586 with a 2.5" barrel perfect for the purse.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:11 | 3303338 ClassicalLib17
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I bought when supplies were cheaper and today I produce .45 a.c.p. for a little over ten cents a round. 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 12:06 | 3308818 Overfed
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I bought a 1906 Remington (pre) Model 11 shotgun at a gunshow for $100.  It hadn't been cleaned, fired, or lubed in probably 90 years. I loaded it up with a mish-mash of odd 12 ga. rounds, and it gobbled 'em up with surprising aplomb.  Makes my Saiga look like a piece of shit.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:42 | 3303220 CunnyFunt
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Too right.
S&W revolvers are also heavy enough to club your adversary at close range if you run out of bullets. The same can't be said for composites.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:04 | 3303313 Frankie Carbone
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I own variety of Ruger and Smith revolvers and that said, my top three favorite revolvers are Rugers (Redhawk, SP101, and GP100). They are just vastly superior in design and ruggedness to the Smiths IMO.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:55 | 3303037 Boozer
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My SW MP-22 runs real well.  Bought last summer for $425.

Can't find em now.  Ammo up, up, up.  1 box per customer @ 42 bucks for 500.




Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:14 | 3303350 ClassicalLib17
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I concur, Boozer. I just picked up an M&P .22 and it is a pleasure to shoot and functions reliably.  Paid $500 for mine

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:00 | 3303063 Boondocker
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All of the revolvers I lost in boating accidents made by S&W were top-notch!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:08 | 3303090 kill switch
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My choice,,,


Kimber 1911 Pro covert II


Good night mother fuckers

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:26 | 3303158 Oldballplayer
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Their quality is fantastic, and their lifetime service is unmatched.

You may not "like" their materials or design, but their quality is great.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 05:22 | 3304055 Brit_Abroad
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Have to say, I'm very pleased with the performance of my S&W MP9. Don't know Glock personally, so cannot compare.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:38 | 3302986 lolmao500
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Preparing for civil war and rightly so.

Biggest buyers of ammo? Veterans and active military...

Ammo notes from last weekend's gun show

Ammunition and component buyers seem to fall in two categories, those seeking one or two hundred rounds and those seeking multiple thousands of rounds. The second category is overwhelming dominated by active duty soldiers and veterans. There was one mother and three wives of deployed soldiers who came in with lists and went away with components necessary to load tens of thousands of rounds. Two soldiers came in and bought much more. I know of only three civilians who have stocked up in the quantities that many soldiers and veterans have found necessary. I think having been in a fire fight concentrates the mind on the horror of running out of ammo.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:49 | 3303012 Zap Powerz
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Have you ever had that dream where you are engaged in violence and your punches dont hurt, your bullets dont kill or you run out of bullets or you cant run away from the threat?  Its a shitty feeling.  I hope I never have to experience it in real life.  The dreams are bad enough.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:53 | 3303026 otto skorzeny
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I used to have dreams that my bullets would drop out of the barrel when I fired or bounce off of the guy I shot-then I had my first boy and never had that kind of dream again-seriously.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:53 | 3306953 Hacked Economy
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Maybe you were concerned about "shooting blanks", and then relieved when you fathered your child?

(c'mon, everyone...we know that's the first thing that entered all our minds when we read it)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:56 | 3303042 Overfed
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Mine is always that my gun won't fire, or is missing when I need it. Shitty, sinking feeling indeed.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:30 | 3303185 nmewn
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Thats not a dream, thats a nightmare ;-)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:30 | 3303187 HelluvaEngineer
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Holy fucking shit.  Thanks for all the replies.  I thought this was just me.  On the dark side, the alternatives to a functioning firearm are even worse.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:55 | 3303483 TBT or not TBT
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My nightmare is I'm travelling to Europe worried customs will find the Sig p229 and ammo I always pack transatlantic, or I am in Europe already with the thing on me, or travelling back with it.    

I don't do this in real life (yet) but in the nightmare I do this regularly because that's the way I roll in the nightmare, and so I'm worried I'll get caught this particular time.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:35 | 3303767 Rusty Trombone
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I used to have 7k rounds of 55gr. XM193  and another 8k of XM855 62 gr. steel core  (right through a vest without a SAPI plate) , then I made that stupid decision to take it all with me on that deep sea fishing expedion that tragically ended when my boat sank over the Baltimore Canyon.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:38 | 3302987 RacerX
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I think the numbers would be even higher if there weren't shortages.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:39 | 3302992 lolmao500
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Indeed. Ammo is nowhere to be found.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:00 | 3303064 The Shootist
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Guns are useless w/o boolits. (Stock up)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:49 | 3303241 Borrow Owl
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True, dat.

But I've been told them condom thingies will work in a pinch. :)


Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:59 | 3303872 mumcard
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Fix bayonets!  Prepare for vertical buttstroke!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:35 | 3303206 Nadaclue
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The 5.56 m196 in 1000 round cases was available every 20-30 hours for the last few weeks. Yes, it is reloads but it shoots quite well for me. No FTF so far, for me in the last year or so.

You gotta sign up for the email notification as this stuff sells out in no time. We're talking 10-15 minutes after email.

$0.58 per round may seem extreme as it used to sell for about $0.26 per rnd but, if you need it, you need it. I don't know how long it will be or if it will be that the prices come down.

Anyway, pick your caliber, click on info for that caliber and sign up for email notification. My buddy ordered some M193 on a Tues morn and UPS delivered on Wed.

Maybe they're punching out other rounds as well, I don't know as I've got what I need.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:37 | 3303211 nmewn
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I suggest, primers first (they can be used for other "things") brass second (so can they), then bullets/lube and propellent last.

Provided you already have dies and a Dillon or RCBS w/accessories ;-)

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:47 | 3303003 otto skorzeny
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1000 rd box of 7.62x39 FMJ has gone from $250 in Nov to $375 on today's order-and that is still a bargain compared to what guys are paying for .223/5.56(which I never see anyway). there's something to be said for former commie country ammo.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:48 | 3303010 A Lunatic
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Cue the next (staged) massacre........ none at any price. Buy the dips.........

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:57 | 3303048 El Hosel
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Otto,  Going for $375?  Does anybody have any inventory to sell today at that price? Its going for close to double that on black market around here if it is high quality.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:00 | 3303055 otto skorzeny
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you gotta know where to look and recheck every few hours-but my lips are sealed(and that is a shipped price). 250 boxes go in about 3 hours.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:06 | 3303085 Zap Powerz
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Otto, its gone full retard now.

Im very glad I do not feel compelled to buy anything at this time.  I bought all the stuff I needed a long time ago when it was cheap and when only maybe 1% were paying attention to the direction of the country.  Now that people are starting to wake up they are shitting their pants and panic buying.  Its a frenzy of irrational, scared people.  I cant wait to see what happens when the next 5-10% wake up.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:17 | 3303120 EINSILVERGUY

I bought an AR15 last year and paid $350 for 1000 rds. At Christmas I bought a px4 storm 9mm  through a buddy at work who moonlights at a gun store.  Best they could hook me up with was 100 rds. BulkAmmo has alot of ammo but you will pay the price. I debated on whether to buy or wait. I ended up buying 1000 rds of 9mm. Paid almost $600 with shipping. I know I paid almost 2 1/2 times more than I should but that gun becomes a really expensive stone if I don't have anything to push through it

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:40 | 3302990 AL_SWEARENGEN


“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

 Samuel Adams


Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:45 | 3303000 zorba THE GREEK
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Ammunition may very well be one of the new currencies after the fiat collapse, gold,

silver, food and alcohol could also fit the bill.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:53 | 3303027 20834A
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Perhaps. But unless you trade ammo or booze only with people you really trust, someone is likely to shoot you with your own ammo and get drunk over your corpse.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:15 | 3303114 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Don't forgot coffee. When things get scarce coffee will be a great trade item. I know this first hand after Hurricane Sandy. You had to see the lines in the morning for people buying only a cup of coffee at the few 7-11's and delis with power in the area immediately afterwards.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:52 | 3303255 Nadaclue
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Yup, buy the beans green and in bulk for a bit over $5 a lb for columbian, mylar it with a O2 remover and roast it as needed. Shippin was about $40 for 50#. Great barter item as most would give their left arm for a good cuppa joe when it all stops.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 10:57 | 3304528 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Invest in a camping percolator coffee pot too. When the power went out after Sandy I all of a sudden became the everyone's best friend in the immediate neighborhood because I could brew coffee on my grill with my stainless steel percolator pot.

If you drink coffee shtf scenario or not having one of these is most certainly a great investment. You can get a 20 cup pot for $20 or cheaper.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:25 | 3303389 hoos bin pharteen
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It was the booze that caused my boating accident!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:46 | 3303002 ImReady
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Long gun sales(i.e. AR15 and AK's) would have been triple had they had ample stock on hand. I live just minutes from the largest gun store in the Midwest. The shelves are bare I tell ya, bare!


Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:54 | 3303270 El Hosel
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I checked the Ruger website the other day and every gun I checked on was "allocated". I just randomly checked a few models including single action revolvers...all allocated, not sure how long that would be the case but that gives a pretty good indication the demand is off the charts.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:46 | 3303004 Rustysilver
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How messed are we that we can't even make enough ammo.

What is wrong with us.  I can't recall any time like this.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:49 | 3303014 SubjectivObject
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The Gimmemint is buying up all the capacity.

Ask rather, where is the foreign supply?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:51 | 3303017 A Lunatic
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Ammo is allocated in this order 1)military 2) Law Enforcement 3)Civilian. ammo for you!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:55 | 3303038 otto skorzeny
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get a commie gun in 7.62x39-the govt storm troopers use that modified squirrel round -the .223-so that's why it is hard to find

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:01 | 3303068 A Lunatic
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It should be right next to your pile of gold......... Easy to find.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:50 | 3303019 El Hosel
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"They" are making plenty of Ammo, you and me are not in the Ammo club.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:52 | 3303025 ImReady
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Any ammo manufacturer who supplies the govt is bound by contract to supply govt first. If a 1 yr contract calls for 1bil rds, they must fulfill the billion first and then the peasants get theirs..

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:17 | 3303123 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Manufacturing capacity will catch up or smaller established/startups will step in to fill the void.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:24 | 3303152 ImReady
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Im seriously considering buying 3-4 dillon 1050's and a trailer with 4 hard working Mexicans. Looking for investors! Uncle Ben?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:48 | 3303008 SubjectivObject
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Only a 29% YoY increase in checks?  Not accurate based on the long lines in dealers that I have otherwise never seen before.  Most every place has take-number que, whereas before some one might happen to buy when you happen to be there.  That 29% number feels like disinfo.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:54 | 3303033 lolmao500
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While in international news...

UNSC draft resolution calls for inspection of all cargo to & from .

NKorea won't like that AT ALL...

North Korea Escalates Threat to Scrap US Truce

VOA Seoul Correspondent Steve Herman said Pyongyang's warning appears to be more than just a rhetorical threat against its enemies.

"Usually such threats are not read out on television and broadcast on radio by a high-ranking general, as is the case that we have seen here," Herman said. "Now, this statement did go out in the Korean language initially, so this was certainly intended for a domestic audience primarily in North Korea."

Herman said Pyongyang has a compelling reason to keep the truce in effect.

"That armistice was signed by Kim Il Sung. And for the Korean People's Army to then void something that was signed by the founder of North Korea, who is still the eternal leader, who is revered as almost a deity in North Korea, would be profound," Herman said. "So I think a lot of analysts are going to have a difficult time thinking that the KPA is going to take lightly nullifying the armistice agreement."

So if they DO nullify the armstice... GET IN YOUR BUNKERS, STAT.

The North's military said it could launch a "precise" strike anytime, unrestrained by the armistice. It also warned it could mount a strike with atomic weapons to counter any US nuclear threat.

The armistice will be "completely" nullified from March 11, when the South Korean-US exercise gets into full swing in the South, the North said.

China announces 10.7% increase in defence spending


Krugman is probably jacking off to the news right now.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 20:57 | 3303044 xela2200
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At the risk of getting banned, this is the reason why I own a gun.

Warning!!! These two videos are very very very very explicit. 

Watch videos here


Coming to a city near you.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:02 | 3303073 ImReady
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linky no workie!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:18 | 3303127 A Lunatic
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It works just fine; when you click on it spyware is installed on your PC.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:04 | 3303082 IamtheREALmario
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So lets say you wanted to arm the public for an upcoming invasion (from space or otherwise). How would you go about doing it? You can't tell the people that you are expecting an invasion. But you could first get them to buy their own guns and then put easily accessible catches of ammunition around the country at FEMA and other federal sites.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:29 | 3303397 Mi Naem
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Just sayin, huh?

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:36 | 3303420 ClassicalLib17
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In your dream, do you see the aliens as being edible?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:14 | 3303573 Dr. Engali
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If they wanted to arm the public they would not be scooping up all the ammo to keep it off the market.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 21:53 | 3303264 are we there yet
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This just keeps ramping up year after year. If things go bad, news blackout etc, I have no dout TPTB will win on the surface, but the average Joe will feel like he is in an occupied country.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:04 | 3303308 upb
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record gun sales, record debt, record high DJIA!

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 22:14 | 3303351 SillySalesmanQu...
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Wow...a true growth industry.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:08 | 3303525 Riggers
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How much of that 29% increase in sales is from price increases? AR15s went from 1 grand to 2 grand practically overnight.... and ammo is still scarce. Actually I guess that works both ways because sales would have been more, if production of guns/ammo could have kept up with demand.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:18 | 3303563 Dr. Engali
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I just bought an AR from Walmart for $800.00 last week. I can probably turn around and sell it for $1500.00.

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:27 | 3303595 A Lunatic
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Walmart weapons will not fire when any attempt is made to use it against a minority. Sell it and buy one from a genuine reputable gun dealer..........

Tue, 03/05/2013 - 23:37 | 3303627 Dr. Engali
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Good luck getting an AR anyplace without paying a hefty premium. I'll just be holding on to this for a while. I'm sure I'll find more value in it later.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:00 | 3303689 Pascal1967
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Two of their sales this past month were from me. Best $ ever spent! m&p 40C and a 9 mm Shield. Great guns! Now I'm stackin' AND packin'

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:03 | 3303697 Mad Mohel
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"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:03 | 3303698 holdbuysell
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"there is another - this time unprintable asset - that appears in all-time high demand - firearms."

Presenting a 3D printable lower AR, courtesy of Defense Distributed.

Must watch.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:10 | 3303718 SubjectivObject
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And we thought the Grabbitment buying up all the treasuries was the problem

Check this out:

Hey gunnies, this is the new theatre of action.  Will we let the Gimmement restrict access to ammunition using our money? 


Wed, 03/06/2013 - 01:58 | 3303869 Meat Hammer
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In the last few months we'vee had state and city pension funds here in Kalifornia divesting their sheep's money from any and all gun stocks.  I LOL'd.  Fucking idiots.  Talk about pissing in your own Cheerios.  

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 07:56 | 3304174 StarTedStackin'
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When Obama's 'private army' begins to round up Americans, it will be time to start shooting. Take out ten, and start with blacks, gays and union members.



It will be civil war.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 08:39 | 3304237 SubjectivObject
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You really are confused about who the take outs are here.

Or else you're memberi of divide and conquer Team Gov.


Wed, 03/06/2013 - 09:00 | 3304259 TrumpXVI
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I totally love that ad copy; "We possess a broad range of products......for coping with violence"

I couldn't have put it better.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 10:50 | 3304588 AnarchoCapitalist
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