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Rand Paul's #Filiblizzard Enters Its Sixth (Now Tenth) Hour

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Starting at 1147ET, Rand Paul began his James-Joycean discussion on US-based Drone strikes, six hours later (and with some minor aid from Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)), he is still going. Have you ever felt so strongly about something that you were willing to talk about it for over six hours? From Cruz's note that today is the 177th anniversary of the fall of (or stand at) the Alamo to Paul's rhetorical (we think) question to the President: "Are you going to just drop a hellfire missile on Jane Fonda?" We suspect the night is yet young as the snowquester continues.

The Atlantic summarizes:

Rand Paul spent Wednesday doing something you don't see very often—an honest-to-goodness, non-stop filibuster speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate. Lacking the 41 votes necessary to prevent a cloture vote that would block the nomination of John Brennan to be the CIA director, Paul chose to stall the old-fashioned way, through the original meaning of the talking filibuster. As long as Paul spoke (and stood), he held the Senate captive — and he had a lot to say about drones.

 

Paul opened by vowing to "speak until I can no longer speak." He held true to that, though senators from several other states (including a Democrat from Oregon) came to the floor to ask questions, during which breaks Paul presumably attended to necessary personal needs.

 

Paul's was the first talking filibuster since Bernie Sanders spoke for 8.5 hours back in 2010, beginning at around 11:45 a.m. and lasting well into the evening. Whether or not Paul's intended audience — the president — paid any attention remains unclear.

By way of reference (via About.com), The record for the longest filibuster goes to U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, who spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, according to U.S. Senate records. Thurmond began speaking at 8:54 p.m. on Aug. 28 and continued until 9:12 p.m. the following evening, reciting the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, President George Washington's farewell address and other historical documents along the way.

 

Some choice, totally out-of-context quotes, so far (via The Atlantic):

"If there was an ounce of courage in this body, I would not be here alone."

 

"The point isn't that any body in our country is Hitler..."

 

"If you're going to kill people in America, you need to have rules and we need to know what those rules are. ... I don't want to find out that having seven days worth of food in your house is on the list."

 

"To be bombed in your sleep? There's nothing American about that."

Live video (via The Washington Post):

 

The Twittersphere's take on it all:

 

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Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:32 | 3306426 otto skorzeny
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grandstanding from a Israeli boot-licker

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:32 | 3306433 WayBehind
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Huh?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:37 | 3306439 otto skorzeny
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"Any attack on Israel shall be considered an attack on the US"-Rand Paul to The Chosen People as he toured over there a few weeks ago with some Christian NeoCons . what is with the hero-worship of this guy-he went grovelling up to Wall St when he was trying to get elected

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:37 | 3306451 Buckaroo Banzai
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OK, Rand Paul isn't perfect. But he's just about the only person in Congress who actually seems to give a shit about the Constitution.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:42 | 3306474 Careless Whisper
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"If there was an ounce of courage in this body, I would not be here alone."

 

Apparently there isn't an ounce of courage there, or an opposition party. You're it dude.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:50 | 3306510 camaro68ss
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Go RP, The peoples champ!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:51 | 3306514 The Shootist
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Only person grand standing is Granny Warren.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:22 | 3306635 McMolotov
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Is she Grand Standing With A Fist?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:56 | 3306761 The Juggernaut
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#IStandWithRand

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:41 | 3306900 ParkAveFlasher
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I stand with otto s.  Don't look for heros in Congress.  Be your own hero.   

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:12 | 3307033 knukles
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He virtually stands alone atop the path of the Leviathan shouting "Stop"
Would one rather he do otherwise?
Does he offend or threaten by this behavior?
Does he not stand in this case for that in which we might profess to believe, Adherence to Natural Laws as Embodied in the Constitution?

It is ever so easy to be disappointed by alternative agenda and perspectives when another simply does the next right thing, recognizing the great disparity between good and evil when focusing upon personalities rather then principles.

I am saddened that at possibly a very last moment, when one accepts the weighty cause, he might be diminished.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:52 | 3307199 fuu
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Indeed.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:14 | 3307041 pods
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I would have to agree with the both of you.  The message that Paul is saying is half right.  But it is always couched in terms of US citizens on US soil.

Just what the fuck is so special about US citizens?  Or US soil?

From what I have read in the Declaration of Independence, it was said that ALL MEN are created with inalienable rights.  One might argue that this statement is also half right, as women are the equals of men, but that is a digression.

So because of where I was born I am provided these protections?  By whom?  The US Government upholding the rules?

These rules apply to all men throughout the world.  (by men I am including women, transgendered, midgets, scientologists, etc)

I am sorry, but you cannot stand up for liberty by trying to protect the asses of those who "voted" you into your position of influence.

Maybe I am just not suited for politics, but I think sand niggers, chinks, jews, and even polacks have the exact same rights that I have.

pods

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:19 | 3307061 fonzannoon
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In the little I heard him speak he did not seem to distinguish at all between strikes on U.S soil or abroad.

I am all tapped out of being hopeless. I am looking for some inspiration. This is about as good as it will get. I'll take it.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:28 | 3307095 Ignatius
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Watch out for the rise of the demagogues, these times are ripe.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:03 | 3307244 Lore
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Oh, they're risen. But there are so many!  The European "Troika" is one obvious cesspool that seems to harbour hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of them.  See their explicit disdain for the interests of their citizenry?  If that's not psychopathy, what is? 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:34 | 3307123 Moe Hamhead
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Pods-  Maybe he should be filibustering at the UN!?!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:03 | 3307240 pods
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No, he is speaking at the right venue.  I cannot determine if your comment is sarcasm or derision, so I will play both angles.

The UN being supranational authority is more abhorrent than our federal government, which is more abhorrent than the state, county, etc.

 

I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient.
—Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

 

My problem with members of the US government are inherently hypocritical, as they can espouse some lofty ideals about US citizens, but do unimaginable things in our name.

Rand Paul stopping a nomination to a body of the government which was not spelled out in the Constitution is a good thing, but it should not be because of anything more than the agency in question was never authorized by we the people.  I don't care who runs the CIA, the agency was never authorized and wages undeclared war around the world in my name.

But always these arguments are from the point of view that the constitution protects us.  The constitution was meant to spell out exactly what a national government is allowed to do.  The BOR had to be included to get it passed, and it is kind of ironic that the declaration of rights in the BOR was the downfall for the republic and all our rights.  If the constitution stayed as merely the functions delegated to the federal government then we would never be having an argument about the constitution protecting us.  The constitution was to protect the government from the wrath of the people, as every duty was spelled out.  The inclusion of any of MY rights in the constitution opened the door to have them arguable in front of the nine (lord of the rings analogy that is quite fitting), and also allowed the arguments about rights not specified and whether they are rights, again arguable in front of the nine.  How many times have you heard the saying "There is no right to..............."?

I would say that most arguments for liberty, though they may be correct, are spawned from organized power, which is anathema to liberty.

pods

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:22 | 3307315 nmewn
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Pretty kick ass pods.

All are created equal, we here just recognized it & codified it in our law under the BOR...the Constitution being, how we would accept the structure of government, that is, consent to being governed at all by that parchment, provided it and the rules did not change.

Now, what happens to someone, when they exercise their rights after birth, depends on which nation-state they are born in IMHO. Rights are not given by any nation-state as you know, they can only be recognized as reality or banned, prohibited, restricted, licensed, infringed on or otherwise held invalid by a nations man-made laws.

Natural rights & law (what we're speaking about here) absolutely exist, for if they did not, it would be impossible to have a revolution or rebellion anywhere against the tyrant, as he would obviously make that illegal for his own good...as absurd as that sounds, it has to be pointed out for idiots...its the best way to describe the difference between laws of convenience & oppression vs natural law.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 07:22 | 3308109 Liberty2012
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Liberty requires that people agree to live together in a manner that supports individual freedom. The US Constitution describes much of that manner, and if you study the history of it, you will find most of the rest of it - namely a foundation of Judeo-Christian principles built upon Natural Law.

People use the US as a shorthand to describe all of the above. The term "exceptionalism" also refers to the sane thing. No one is excluded, unless they exclude themselves. If they make another choice, if they chose to put any other person or group ahead of God and the individual, such as a king, dictator, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, theocracy, etc., then they will not have Liberty.

The US is just the place that discovered the value and truth of the individual and liberty. It is both a simple and a complex thing, so it is easily lost if one focuses on only one aspect of it.

It requires a lot of responsibility and participation on the part of individuals. It doesn't mean those people are better than anyone else, it just means what they are doing achieves a lot.

Personally, I chose liberty and responsibility. For those who want something else, that's fine with me, as long as they don't try to force me to abandon my free will.

God is Truth. Anything that tries to separate you from yourself is evil.

Everything good in life requires free will.

We the People create the world we live in with every choice we make.

Truth => Individual => Responsibility => Freedom

Live long and prosper ;)

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:27 | 3307059 SMG
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My God, watching this, I'm actually getting hopeful about the future and our freedom.  Wow, I must be getting delusional in my old age.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:32 | 3307112 FEDbuster
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Maybe he can keep talking for the next three and a half years?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:46 | 3307175 RideTheWalrus
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Someone get Rand a phonebook!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:07 | 3307255 FEDbuster
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And a Scarface pile of coke.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 00:37 | 3307713 Midas
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Say hello to my leetle friend!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 02:13 | 3307878 redpill
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There is nothing you can do to me that Castro has not already done!

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 03:12 | 3307934 RideTheWalrus
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"Manny, look at this pelican flyy? comee onn peliccaannn!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE8nCNLylEM

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:55 | 3307180 John Bigboote
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Proud of my fellow Kentuckian. Keep it up RP!

The fact that the media has to cover this and tell the average American idiot that Obama actually wants to assisinate US citizens on our soil is the best part of this whole episode.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:57 | 3307221 Ignatius
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"The fact that the media has to cover this and tell the average American idiot that Obama actually wants to assisinate US citizens on our soil is the best part of this whole episode."

Nailed it.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 00:29 | 3307688 fuu
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Last week they admitted that without government spending there is no economy. This week they want to kill you. Next week...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:34 | 3306680 New_Meat
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Fauxcahontas ain't heard from, nor is our very own GW.

Gonna make GW's head explode to have an actual US Senator pitching for his own views.

And I've said to GW: "You Can Do It!"

That is, defend liberties without blaming Bush.

- Ned

{we'll see}

{{I hold no hope for my SENIOR Senator (and thank the gods, the only one from the Commonwealth as of today) who will stand up for the "people."  Gives us a new meaning to the term "hammered."}}

{{{Waterboarding illegal combatants picked up outside CONUS is anathema, but acing AMCITS within CONUS is "appropriate".}}}

{{{{Action Jackson just  signed up for some more action!}}}}

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:47 | 3306727 Ness.
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{{{ ? }}}

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:15 | 3307045 Pants McPants
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Ned's an original...I've always enjoyed his input.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:06 | 3307251 New_Meat
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{{{{Ness, ya gotta' get to WB7's archives to see who "Action Jackson" is.  Before doing same, please void all liquid and solid waste.  You'll see.}}}}

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:37 | 3306693 nmewn
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Agreed.

Go Rand Go!!!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:55 | 3306532 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Give 'em hell!!! It's not like they were going to get anything done today anyway. These days it seems like the only time Congress gets anything done is when they're foaming at the mouth to strip Americans of their rights.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:48 | 3306720 EscapingProgress
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Rand Paul isn't doing this for "the people" he is doing this for Israel. This is the second Senate filibuster against someone who has publicly spoken in an ever so slightly negative way towards Israel. The first being the filibuster of Chuck Hagel. This is all rhetoric. Ignore the words. Only actions count. Please, stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Everything coming out of D.C. at this point and in the future will result in a net loss for liberty. The rhetoric is just getting better.

Mussolini 2016!

P.S. The 2001 AUMF authorized the assassination of Americans. Recently the WH has just been more open about it.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:56 | 3306765 nmewn
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"This is the second Senate filibuster against someone who has publicly spoken in an ever so slightly negative way towards Israel."

Name the first.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:08 | 3306789 EscapingProgress
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"The first being the filibuster of Chuck Hagel."

Rand Paul voted "yes" during the second vote of confirmation for Chuck Hagel, however, he cast the deciding vote of "no" for cloture which resulted in Chuck Hagel being subjected to a filibuster. Rand Paul's second vote of "yes" wasn't the deciding vote, so it was irrelevant with respect to the final outcome. Rand Paul is an excellent politician, but he is still a neocon. A neocon-lite at best.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/chuck_hagel_confirmed_as_secretary_of_defense_rand_paul_s_flip_flop_on_the.html

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:17 | 3306831 nmewn
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You have a different idea of filibuster than I do apparently...what Rand is doing is a filibuster.

Senators wanted more information on Hagel...which he refused to provide, initially or in-toto...things like...

The Chairman of the Committee expressly asked you to submit your response by Monday, February 4.

Monday came and went, and you still did not respond.

At the end of the day on Tuesday, February 5, you submitted a short “response” to our request. In that response, you explicitly declined to answer many of the questions asked of you.

You were asked to disclose all compensation over $5,000 that you have received over the past five years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – the Atlantic Council has received foreign funding in the past five years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – McCarthy Capital has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – Corsair Capital has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – Wolfensohn and Company has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – M.I.C. Industries has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – the National Interest Security Company has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – Elite Training and Security, LLC has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

You were asked to disclose if – and to what specific extent – Kaseman, LLC has received foreign funding in the past ten years. You declined to do so.

Your own financial records are entirely within your own control, and you have flatly refused to comply with the Committee Members’ request for supplemental information.

The records from the other firms – more than one of which, you have disclosed, paid you $100,000 or more – are highly relevant to the proper consideration of your nomination. Your letter discloses no affirmative efforts on your part to obtain the needed disclosure, and your lack of effort to provide a substantive response on this issue is deeply troubling.

If it is the case that you personally have received substantial financial remuneration – either directly or indirectly – from foreign governments, sovereign wealth funds, lobbyists, corporations, or individuals, that information is at the very minimum relevant to this Committee’s assessment of your nomination. Such remuneration may be entirely appropriate, but that determination cannot be made without disclosure.

If you have not received remuneration – directly or indirectly – from foreign sources, then proper disclosure will easily demonstrate that fact.

Your refusal to respond to this reasonable request suggests either a lack of respect for the Senate’s responsibility to advise and consent or that you are for some reason unwilling to allow this financial disclosure to come to light.

This Committee, and the American people, have a right to know if a nominee for Secretary of Defense has received compensation, directly or indirectly, from foreign sources. Until the Committee receives full and complete answers, it cannot in good faith determine wither you should be confirmed as Secretary of Defense.

Therefore, in the judgment of the undersigned, a Committee vote on your nomination should not occur unless and until you provide the requested information.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:38 | 3306891 RockyRacoon
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Sounds like a HUAC manifesto to me.  But what do I know, I'm just a lowly coon.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:52 | 3306946 nmewn
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And of course, you know that ain't my arrow...but anyways...

It is interesting though, once one starts rooting around in the nets trash cans that we frequent...lol...the quality morsels can be had.

Hagel and Atlantic Council funding...

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/LetterChuckHagelfromFredKempe02082013.pdf

I can see good cause for the Senate wanting full financial disclosure...Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Barclays...quite a few Turkish interests as well...very interesting...and thats just the Atlantic Council.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 01:29 | 3307815 EscapingProgress
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Precisely, Mr. Coon. A HUAC manifesto indeed.

"Hagel is no libertarian: I never said he was. He voted for the Iraq war, with reservations, like many Republicans, but later became one of its most passionate and articulate critics. This is the real reason why the War Party in Congress opposes him, and why Sen. Paul’s neoconservative buddies are expending so much energy in their relentless jihad against him. In voting against cloture – and giving as a reason the desire to get more "information" about alleged contributions from North Korea (!) and the nonexistent "Friends of Hamas" to Hagel’s speaking fees – Sen. Paul is aiding and abetting a disgusting McCarthyite campaign against an honorable man."

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/02/17/kosovos-unhappy-anniversary/

I can't believe so many people have been bamboozled by Rand Paul. This is reminiscent of the bamboozlement of the Obamanauts in 2008.

 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 19:35 | 3310536 nmewn
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Hagel is opposed because he is wholly unqualified (in many peoples eyes, mine as well) for the position.

“If confirmed, I intend to learn about the Defense Department.” Chuck Hagel, Jan. 31 2013 in testimony, in front of the committee.

Would you hire him after he said that? For what position, toilet swabbie or gardener? ;-)

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:29 | 3307101 citizen2084
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"Everything coming out of D.C. at this point and in the future will result in a net loss for liberty."

 

Except Chuck Hagel??

 

 

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 01:15 | 3307795 EscapingProgress
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I'm indifferent to Chuck Hagel at this time because I am not aware of any crimes against humanity that he has engaged in. During his time in office, however, I'm sure that he will engage in many.

My opposition is principally to the machine. The machine must be dismantled. Only an immoral bastard or a delusional fool would seriously attempt to seize the levers of power that control the machine at this point. The machine has taken on a life of its own. Its general course cannot be altered. These apointments and elections mean nothing. Nobody can control the machine for good. It can only be used for evil. Only inconsequential changes can be made now. For example, by pulling on its levers the machine can funnel loot into different pockets, but the looting itself cannot be stopped.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:52 | 3306518 McMolotov
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This used to be mainstream thinking, and now Paul is an "odd ball" for standing against the summary execution of American citizens by the president. I find that fact incredibly disturbing.

The relentless statist propaganda has evidently been effective.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:12 | 3306608 JLee2027
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He's only an oddball for politicans. Reading message boards over the years, there's been some significant attitude shifts away from trusting and toward not believing the Government. 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 23:40 | 3307570 agNau
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BINGO!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:52 | 3306519 yabyum
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Rand Paul gives more of a shit about Rand Paul.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:19 | 3307042 otto skorzeny
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alot of down votes from the "False God" worshippers. you people are beyond hope-the whole system is rigged-Randy Boy is a sacrificial lamb.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:58 | 3307228 stacking12321
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you otto get a clue.

paul is doing the right thing in this situation, trying to make a stand against evil.

are you trolling here, or do you really enjoy a real life game of russian drone roulette?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:56 | 3307214 max2205
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I spent 2 hours listening. It was a amazing. He's got my vote

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 23:31 | 3307541 sunnydays
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I am still listening at 10:30 PM and have been since 4 pm!  Every citizen should be made to listen to this filibuster!  It is about our Freedoms!  It is about the Constitution!  This is awesome elected officials/Paul that is STANDING UP for the American people and holding Obama accountable!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:58 | 3306540 sunnydays
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He is saying some really powerful things about Obama!  Obama does not follow even court rulings that Obama has done against the constitution.  He is accusing Obama of some major things right now.  Powerful words!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:06 | 3306580 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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. . . and yet, his words will most likely fall by the wayside when they should be the basis for impeachment hearings. 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:14 | 3306612 sunnydays
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That is correct,  he should be using this for articles of impeachment.  Why they have not started those yet, I do not understand.  Just the one court ruling against Obama should be enough, besides all that he is saying about drones.

I am listening and it is all very interesting.  Everyone should listen.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:21 | 3306628 Freddie
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Rand Paul is one of only a few men left in this shabby pathetic country with any honor.  A country of drooling morons watching Tv and Hollywoods shit and enabling it all.  Many retards who watch TV/Hollywood post here. Morons.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:22 | 3306849 Likstane
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If he had any honor, he would not have endorsed Milt Romney.  Rand is just another pussy.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:52 | 3306947 Jack Napier
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Yup. Controlled opposition just like his father. They are the only 2 in their family who aren't in the Masonic order, likely only so they can deny involvement.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:08 | 3307010 john39
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pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:18 | 3306839 sunnydays
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8 hours in now.  Rand is really making a stand against drones and Obama. 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:21 | 3307065 Race Car Driver
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> Powerful words!


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Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:20 | 3306626 Race Car Driver
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> OK, Rand Paul isn't perfect. But he's just about the only person in Congress who actually seems to give a shit about the Constitution.

Really? Who in the fuck is Barry Soetoro Obama and why isn't he in jail for fraud (for starters)?

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:03 | 3307243 20834A
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And all his railing about trusting the gov't to follow the law? Pshaw! /sarc/

Here's a great example of illegal actions by gov't:

http://offgridsurvival.com/missouridepartmentofrevenue-dhs-gunowners/

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:38 | 3306457 Temporalist
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Do you sit and wait for a new post on a topic you want to troll just to spew that santorum from head?  What a fucking worthless pile of shit you are.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:42 | 3306472 otto skorzeny
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I just get sick of people picking and choosing these corrupt assholes based on them trying to lead off the evening news with stunts like these filibusters

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:14 | 3306605 john39
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all part of the show.  the slaves must believe that someone in the system still fights for them.  this is the libertarion version of hope and change.  much later rand paul supporters will figure out, it was all a con.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:10 | 3306821 dick cheneys ghost
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This whole country has been co-opted by isreal, from the bankers to the war dept.

 

Makes me sick to my stomach..............

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:23 | 3306851 Teamtc321
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Oh really? If Boosh was still in office, every progressive in town would be grandstanding in front of any news camera they could find. Where are they now?

>>>Crickets<<<<

 

Atleast Rand is standing up for what everyone I know is thinking.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:48 | 3306926 Ident 7777 economy
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Touche

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:16 | 3307022 john39
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exactly why they put a fascist posing as a liberal to 'act' as the leader...   so now that the public is finally waking up to the obama fraud, they will get led into another fraud, fully believing that change is coming... like a ping pong ball, back and forth, and the global fascist agenda marches on, with the sheeple squabling about left vs right bs.... yawn, new day, different puppet, same master.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:18 | 3307055 pods
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John, not to sound demeaning, but if this is ping pong, why does my ass hurt so much?

I have to carry around an emergency tube of Astroglide just in case now.

Who makes Astroglide....hmmmm.....bullish.

Way to keep your eyes on the target.

pods

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:08 | 3306589 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Plus 1 for the most entertaining smackdown of the day.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:27 | 3306656 Kirk2NCC1701
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Otto Ariel Benjamin Moshe Skorzeny, is that you -- over in that cube at NSA -- just slightly east of DC?

Sorry to be casting doubt on your integrity and sincerity.  You understand.  Hope I didn't blow your cover.  /sarc

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:20 | 3307069 otto skorzeny
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sorry buddy-the NSA boys are "kosher"

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:54 | 3307422 FreeSlave
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did he really say that? I don't want to believe that...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:35 | 3306441 redpill
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Give it a rest, at least someone is standing up to this shit.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:38 | 3306454 Harbanger
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There's always an asshole critic somewhere.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:38 | 3306455 otto skorzeny
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you mean the shit of us supporting those evil land-stealing pricks with $ and weapons?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:42 | 3306475 redpill
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Not everything is about 'nam, Walter.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:45 | 3306487 otto skorzeny
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who do you think drags us into war after war in the middle east-and then everybody sits around and bitches about the debt which is in large part due to our never ending ME wars

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:52 | 3306521 redpill
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First and foremost it's oil. The symbiotic war-promoting relationship we have with Israel always had as much to do with resources as anything.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:26 | 3306652 john39
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oil in israel?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:54 | 3306750 redpill
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No, if Israel had oil they wouldn't be allies, they'd be occupied.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:59 | 3306779 john39
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occupied... like the US?   remind me again, what exactly does the average american get out the U.S./israel 'relationship', try as i might... i can't figure it out. billions go out, supporting death, wars, racism and hate...  but what the hell does the American people get out of it? 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:05 | 3307001 mick_richfield
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Cabinet members?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:12 | 3307028 john39
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and a rothschild central bank...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:29 | 3307100 pods
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Bingo.  You cannot put a value on your currency being made legal tender of the earth.

pods

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:48 | 3307181 john39
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cozy little arrangment...  too bad for USA that the banker parasites will be blowing the dollar up shortly...  mission accomplished.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:25 | 3307324 stacking12321
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sure you can put a value on it.

and you can even pay that value in legal tender.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:24 | 3306641 fuu
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"and then everybody sits around and bitches about the debt"

And you sit around and bitch about people sitting around and bitching.

Bitch.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:40 | 3306463 localsavage
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No shit....I hate the idea that you can't give someone credit when deserved because you don't like their stand on another issue.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:43 | 3306481 otto skorzeny
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so some of Obama's shit you like and some you don't? don't be a hypocrite

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:10 | 3306597 XitSam
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Rand Paul said he agreed with Obama on several topics when Obama was in the Senate.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:48 | 3306498 johngaltfla
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AMEN!

 

I've called his KY office since the D.C. voicemail is full. Great staff and the appreciate all the positive calls.

 

Contact info of all sorts at along with a timer of this Filibuster at:

 

Finally a U.S. Senator with Balls: Rand Paul (KY) Fillibuster for Freedom

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:09 | 3306592 stant
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thanks for the# but its full now too

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:38 | 3306696 johngaltfla
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Ah well, I called about 3 hours ago and got a live soul. They might be closed now....nice guy answered the phone however and this is going to be fun to watch; Especially if he can pull a 36-48 hour stint to suck up the news cycle.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:38 | 3306452 Cdad
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@otto skorzeny

 

Grandstanding?  He is speaking on the issue of the Federal government's presumed right to kill people at will, via the CIA, using unmanned drones.  An act that would be one without due process.

And he is doing it using the true Constitutionally prescribed method of actually filibustering through perpetual speech.

You're an idiot.  Report to the Hufpo immediately. 

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:39 | 3306462 otto skorzeny
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where do you think the US gets tips on controlling the masses from-the Boy Scouts?hate to burst your little hero-worshipping bubble of this guy

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:49 | 3306506 eatthebanksters
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Otto, I don't think your opinon is with the ZH mainstream...in fact I'd hazard a guess that most of the folks on this site view your comments as foolish and bigoted.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:58 | 3306542 FL_Conservative
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It's easier to just say that Otto has some fucking issues.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:26 | 3306654 Freddie
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Otto is usually spot on and i understand his point.  The USA is gone.  Rand Paul is the only one trying to protest along with Ted Cruz and maybe the one R senator from Utah.  Brennan is a POS.  Benghazi was a gun running operation by the CIA for the Muslim Brpotherhood.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:49 | 3306930 ParkAveFlasher
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The Otto Haters need to buy a clue.  The cure for goverment won't come from within government.  The cure for cancer is not a filibustering tumor.

Sorry to break up your black panther party.  But really, buy a clue.  His monologue will be largely forgotten by the masses he may reach incidentally outside of preaching to the choir.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:54 | 3306957 Ident 7777 economy
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No sale.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:55 | 3306759 Room 101
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Naaah. It's easier to just say that he's an asshole.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:25 | 3306650 Race Car Driver
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> Otto, I don't think ...

 

That's right. Now GFY.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:37 | 3306695 Kirk2NCC1701
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Now, now Otto.  If you think he's doing such a piss-poor job that could never meet your expectations, then why don't YOU be The Man?  And stand up publicly? 

Have you done any volunteer work for Ron Paul?  I have!  Donated $$$?  I have!

Fucking WANKER!

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:03 | 3306793 dermus
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Oh look, you have the name of a Nazi SS officer and you have problems with the JOOS, what a coincidence.

Eat shit and die fast.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:04 | 3306796 Lazarus Long
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hello everyone i have not posted in a long time. had to wait till my wife and family were safely out of this country. there is one and only senator that has the faith and love of the this country and that is rand paul. any american that speaks ill of this man is a traitor.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 00:50 | 3306892 AlaricBalth
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Hello Lazarus Long,
Welcome back.

The last time I checked, speaking ill of anyone in this country is not a treasonous act. To define unconstitutional behavior by your personal standards, prior to any amendment to the actual law, is no better than those who wish to usurp our current constitutional rights.

As Rand Paul just stated one minute ago, "you either believe in the constitution or you don't."

All the best.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:00 | 3306967 beaker
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Rand Paul is an Israeli bootlicker??? What a fucking pinhead comment, Otto. Look, I'm Christian, 100% German heritage, and the biggest fucking redneck I know.  I can't believe people on these message boards still go off about Jews. Shit's like hearing nails scratching on a blackboard. Get a fucking life. I haven't heard crap like this since I was in high school.  Grow up! With all the shit we have comming down on us in the world, the Jews are pretty far down on the list of things we have to worry about.  Fuck you, Otto!  

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:28 | 3307093 john39
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"Senator Rand Paul, a Republican from Kentucky, spoke about his trip to Israel and how much he enjoyed being there. He told the crowd how he sang Hebrew songs together with a group of rabbis at the Western Wall, even though he had no idea what the words meant. However, the statement that received thunderous applause was, “It is not our job to tell Israelis where they can or cannot build."'

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165782

where would anyone get the idea that old rand is israeli bootlicker...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:43 | 3307162 john39
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and maybe someone could explain to rand paul what is going on at the 'western wall' aka 'fort antonia', a roman fort:

http://youtu.be/94rcOVJBMYQ

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 02:46 | 3307913 SheHunter
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Beaker, our country sends over 33billion a year to the terrorist country of Israeli.   You want your tax money going to kill nameless brown kids in the Gaza or to the many underpriveleged kids of all backgrounds here in America who need a loving hand and good education?  Google the number of jews who abide in our high ranking political offices and you will begin to understand why we bow and grovel to these damn terrorists.  Let Israeli pay for their own murder weapons.  I don't want the blood of Gaza's children on my hands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:14 | 3307043 John_Coltrane
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And yet, there you sit on your lazy ass while patriots like Paul defend the constitution.  Unlike worthless fucks like you, he has real skills and a profession.  I hope I made my opinion of your opinion clear.

As I like to say to all morons, get yourself another neuron and try to form a synapse before you comment again.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 22:32 | 3307345 ncdirtdigger
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Fuck you Towelhead fluffer.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 02:34 | 3307905 sadmamapatriot
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Jesus, that this would be allowed to go on for hours should be shocking to every American. For F's sake, all that the president has to do is say "I won't kill American citizens on American soil." Why is that something he is even dithering over? He should have been on the floor immediately saying "of course I wouldn't do that... it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL!" Unconstitutional. And Holder apparently is struggling with that unarguable fact, and that is very, very telling.

Thank you, Rand Paul. I don't know if you're making hay, or grandstanding, or whatever, and frankly I don't care. This is a very, very important time in our history.

Thu, 03/07/2013 - 07:28 | 3308099 Optimusprime
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Otto...What is true about your rhetorical overkill is that all US politicians must lick Israel's boot.  Until and unless a critical mass of the US public becomes aware of this disgusting and depressing state of affairs, little true progress will be made.  But politics is also the art of the possible, and the context here is Paul standing against the "drone-and-torture-and-homeland-security" regime foisted upon us by the same Israeli's and their Amen corner here in the US. 

 

Standing against.  Get it?  For this he deserves support.  Despite the boot licking to which you refer, and without which neither he nor anyone else gets national office.  The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:32 | 3306432 mt paul
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"full of sound and fury

signifing nothing" ...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:36 | 3306435 Ham-bone
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actually listened...and actually amazing...is it OK to do at home what we do elsewhere and just off people we don't like???  That is the one man debate...not that there is a war but that a war is everywhere and everyone (including / excluding Americans?) a potential combatant.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:40 | 3306466 McMolotov
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Our own government has essentially declared this country a "battlefield." The people in charge can apparently do whatever the hell they want to us based on that rationale. This started during Bush and has escalated during Obama. Republicans cheered it when Bush was in office, Democrats cheer it now that Obama is in office.

This government and the people who support it are immoral.

Time for the mother of all resets.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:59 | 3306500 Ham-bone
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I think an even larger question RP was making is the incessant, may we say, murder of bad guys plus "collateral damage" in an ongoing undeclared global war (here or there).  Nobel Peace Prize awarded to this man who is systematically "murdering them there before they can get us here" (I'm sure the Pakistani's, Afghani's, etc were just about to launch 9/11'er but DOD saved our bacon).  Truly an almagation of Bush/Obama pre-cogs "knowing" what folks will do before they do it and killing them for it...or maybe not knowing but why take the chance, flick the switch from a remote base and splat goes another whatever he/they were but damn sure they won't bother us again.  So clean from a hangar thousands of miles away...hands never get dirty and "drone pilots" drive home in CA or TX or wherever and have dinner w/ their kids and family and say they had a "good" day making the world a "safer" place.

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:59 | 3306546 Cdad
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Correct.  He is not excusing death by drones abroad.  Drawing very little distinction between the two, and speaking on our perpetual war without boundaries.  

However, there is actually a distinction.  On killing people abroad, the Constitutional breech is Undeclared War.  On  killing US citizens, we're talking assassination/murder.  

His comments are also connecting the dots between this drone assassination issue and the Patriot Act more broadly.  His commentary is NOT partisan.  Covering a lot of good stuff...including email leaks from DHS about "who might be a terrorist" that you may recall included folks who believe in Right to life, and ironically...the US Constitution.

He is doing a hell of a service here, taking this all to the floor of the Senate.  

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:06 | 3306576 McMolotov
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His commentary is NOT partisan.

That's not stopping the lefties on the Washington Post article from having an absolute hissy fit. The founders of this country were right to distrust political parties. They dull the mind.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:57 | 3306772 rhinoblitzing
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Are you saying we should dismantle the two party system?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:24 | 3306832 McMolotov
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There aren't even two parties with polar opposite beliefs, that's what's so bizarre about the whole thing. Republicans know they would have supported Bush in such circumstances; Democrats know they would have opposed him. Now that there's a Democrat as president, the roles have reversed.

This just lends more credence to the idea that the owners of The One True Party™ know exactly how to manipulate partisan opinion in order to advance a singular agenda aimed at growing the State and centralizing power. We're given the illusion of choice between Democrats and Republicans, then they act as controlled opposition for one another so that the ideas of liberty never even have a chance of gaining a foothold. The so-called "two party system" is corrupt to the core.

So am I saying we should dismantle it? No. The parasite is now fully ingrained within the host. I'm more in favor of dismantling the government itself.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:00 | 3306980 Ident 7777 economy
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Sadly oblivious.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:18 | 3307058 StychoKiller
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"Lord, deliver us from Evil!"

So, what's your prayer?  "Lord, it's too late to reverse our course, so just kill us all!"

Please feel free to swallow a bullet already!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:14 | 3306583 Ham-bone
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I guess my thought is that these are not "declared wars" abroad or at home.  These are technically "police actions" using the DOD as the occupying force from above.  Paralells are obvious why drones are being "perfected" abroad and easily implemented back home to make America "safe" from bad people just like over there.  Since it's not a war, there need not be an end to it, this allows permanent occupation and exploitation everywhere.

Glad RP is doing it but think this horse may already be out of the barn...

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:05 | 3306802 Cdad
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The CIA flying a drone over your house and blowing you up is NOT a police action.  That is assassination.  You simply cannot be that stupid.  And it isn't about permanent occupation, either...it's about permanent military contracts in the US.

As for the "horse is out of the barn"...what would you have us do then?  The apathy card usually gets played by foreign trolls...or members of the water army.  Is either of those your thing?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:09 | 3306590 machineh
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It doesn't appear to be his intent, but Rand Paul is highlighting the incredibly degenerate standard of 'signature strikes' against unnamed targets simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If summary execution within US borders is wrong, it's wrong everywhere.

Rand Paul is ripping the facade off this despotic government.

Pandora, box, etc.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:33 | 3306675 Freddie
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ALL of TV, Hollywood and the newsmedia support O and the muder of American citizens.  If you watch their shit and support their shit including Fox (Al Waleed aka Saudi Arabia) then you support your own serfdom.

Kudos to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and those supporting Rand.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:47 | 3306718 McMolotov
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I made it a point just now to suppress my gag reflex and watch NBC Nightly News, and it confirmed my expectations. Paul's filibuster was treated more as an odd spectacle than something to be taken seriously.

Paraphrasing: "Paul wants to know if the administration believes it has the right to use drones against American citizens here in America. Attorney General Eric Holder has responded that the administration 'has no intent to do so,' but that wasn't enough for Senator Paul."

As if that response should be enough for anyone?!?

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 19:10 | 3306598 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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McMolotovs for everyone!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:34 | 3306437 economessed
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My god.  Someone in Washington DC upholding their oath to defend the constitution?  What is going on here?  These people have been methodically eroding the rights within the constitution for years now.  And then suddenly one of them wakes up and says "hell no!" 

Keep talking Rand!!!!!!!!  We need 534 more just like you ASAP!!!!!!!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:39 | 3306460 SMG
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This is good news for a change, somebody at least trying to do something.  Maybe it will inspire more action, and a better country.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:46 | 3306490 Harbanger
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Ted Cruz laced into Eric Holder today about using drones.  He's another good guy.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:45 | 3306920 Teamtc321
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Ted Cruz has been attacking the beast since his election.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:02 | 3306988 Ident 7777 economy
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+1 TC

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:42 | 3306476 Zap Powerz
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RANDPAGE!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:33 | 3306438 stant
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go getem rand

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:34 | 3306440 Temporalist
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I was going to alert the Tylers to this.  So glad you're so on point.  ZeroHedge kicks ass!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:45 | 3306486 machineh
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Ditto. Paul's filibuster is Zero Hedge TV, LIVE.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 20:05 | 3306798 BurningFuld
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You know 30 years from now people around the world will be saying:"Remember when the US was killing people all over the world with their drones for no reason?"

And people in the US will be saying:"Remember when we were killing people all over the world with our drones for no reason?"

Thank God Paul Ryan gave that speach that day and woke everyone up!

As a Canadian I must say...would never fly here guys. Never!

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:17 | 3307053 Ident 7777 economy
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Yeah ... Thank God Rand Paul gave that speech that day too ... 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:36 | 3306442 ebworthen
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As much as I despise Jane Fonda I wouldn't support violating the 4th amanedment for her.

Besides, as long as Obama is in office Hollywood is off limits, or in other words, they are patriotic workers laboring at the baby milk factory.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 21:35 | 3307130 mick_richfield
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"I wish I had those murderers in my sights!" quoth Jane.

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:35 | 3306444 NoDebt
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I could talk about the weather for 6 hours.  Don't even get me started on drones or you'll wish one would take you out before I finish.

Still, GO RAND, GO!

 

Wed, 03/06/2013 - 18:36 | 3306446 illyia
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You go, Rand Paul. I do not care who says it or why. Just fix it.

 

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